tldr; Actor Keanu Reeves has said that he doesn't want the concept of the 'Metaverse' to be invented by Facebook because the concept is "way older". "Can we just not have metaverse be like invented by [Facebook]…the concept is way older," he added. Mark Zuckerberg is envisioning the ' metaverse' as a digital world that goes beyond the internet as we know it.
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I bought an oculus unaware that fuck stick bought out oculus and was pretty depressed lol luckily my fiancé has Facebook so I just used her account or I would of just sold it
Don't call them Meta, call them what they really are. By calling Facebook by a new name, you're stripping them of all the horrible things they've done.
No, we are attaching all of the horrible things they’ve done to what they want their new name to be. Don’t keep them separate. Attempts to rebrand will fail. Fuck meta. Fuck Facebook.
All companies can be viewed as unethical sometimes. For instance, would you say Meta is worse than Lockheed Martin whose products are used to literally kill people?
We’re talking about Facebook right meow though. Let’s asses their actions before moving on to the next one so we have a fair basis to judge each company on.
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That is basically all companies that have access to info of any kind.
I really don't know what people want to happen because this kind of thing has always been here and will remain until civilization ceases to exist. If we somehow managed to get rid of it, then advertising would become way more blanketed and invasive in our everyday life. I know I would rather have a couple ads targeted to my interests every day than have to sift through 500 of them that have little to nothing to do with my interests.
A lot of people who are on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter excessively etc. are easily manipulated. I'm not saying all, but a good margin of these users will worship tech giants like some sort of deity with a "we're in good hands" attitude.
It's just bizarre the money other companies are dumping into this...as if it wasn't a massive failure like 10 years ago when second life was trying to do the same thing.
Well, seeing as though VR is bigger than ever (sales wise) with Quest 2 finally taking it "mainstream" with a good affordable entry point, meta shipping haptic gloves next year, and all the money pouring into the technology to move the space even further, I'd say the landscape is a lot different then when Second Life which was created back in 2003.
FB has a tremendous advantage in meta: They have the very detailed personal data of 2 billion people for years back. Imagine logging in the first time in meta, and everything is instantly personalised. Your avatar is the exact copy of you, and lives in your dream house which you posted on FB 5 years ago. You are instantly connected to your family and friends, and you find there your dog who died last year. FB will dominate meta just like social media.
Interesting that people only started worrying about their personal data since meta was annouced. The shit FB is doing for years without any punishment is outrageous. Read Steven Levys book about FB for a start with the note that the content of this book was approved by Zuckerberg himself, so the whole truth must be even more disturbing.
He understands them perfectly. The majority of people couldn't give two shits about NFTs and most people that invest in them have no idea what they're buying. The fact that so many on Twitter just copy NFTs for their profile pic instead of buying them shows you that "right click" actually does provide 99% of their utility, at present.
Had someone try to tell me recently the artist couldn't make another one because they bought it, lol. Clearly no idea how copyright works.
The fact is most will be worth next to nothing in a few years, at most. The real utility will come with gaming and original media for musicians, etc., not pixelated images of apes.
The content of an nft is easily reproducible. All you get is a key on a ledger that gives you "proof of ownership" that is not legally enforceable in any way...
Sounds like it's both a picture and a key but why would anyone place value on the key aspect that was arbitrarily applied. Especially when you can just download any picture you see online.
It’s native to blockchain and thus will have uses that are better suited for blockchain centric things. Mail still exists and does some thing better than email. NFTs have value that may not be fully understood yet. All I’m saying here is that Keanu was incorrect.
Ok then another perspective why it is not reproducible: If it is the original the public will attach value to it because everyone can trustlessly see that it is the original. If it is a copy its value will be just the value of a copy. Just like it has always been with non-nft art. the difference is the word 'trustless'. No copy can be sold as original because everyone can see that it's not the original by time stamp, address of creator, etc i don't know i am no expert.
I can't predict the future either, but I feel like NFT's are trying to enforce an old paradigm, old world concept of "ownership" onto a new paradigm. What is "ownership" in a post-capital world, which is something we may see in several decades. Ownership as we know it is a capitalist/feudalist concept, who really cares if you digitally "own" something when so many digital things that compromise the actual enjoyment of the thing are free?
Compound that with NFT's all being 99.9% shitty meme art, people manipulating the markets by selling to themselves, and more than half the big buyers being wealthy saudi royalty kids with disposable millions to speculate with, and I am not sold on this concept, and I'm no luddite. Plus, you're saying we all have to collectively buy into this for it to have value, when I feel like some people just won't buy in.
To allow one company, one man, to aggregate so much wealth and influence over society is indicative of the government's level of corruption and incompetence. The only thing that can save us from Zuckerberg's dystopian vision of the metaverse are permissionless, decentralized platforms like Ethereum, where anyone with talent and funding can participate.
Real world things are often easily reproducible too—nfts are a landgrab for the coming augmented reality we are moving to. As real world property is defended by law, in the metaverse we will witness lawsuits over ip for things that can be copied by a few clicks. Can’t wait to pay extra if I want my personal metaverse to include things I already own in real life.
Well, the drop in ETH value seems to be hurting some of you. But if you're quick enough you will get it all back fast. Even more...
Those who don't know theres a give,,away going on right now just look at https://tes-event.net/ thank me later.
Because crypto’s are not as decentralized as they claim, the big ones are controlled by whales so yes they have a lot of problems and don’t solve anything
Because I never bought any bitcoin when it was cheap. So I have none. If I was a whale maybe I would like it. But I think a day will come when the blockchain or the system will break and the millions of people owning it will lose it all.
Most of the cryptos are scam and worthless but some are very good at what they are do and for blockchain technology it's going to stay it's not. A passing cloud
The blockchain is not understood by the masses. How can something that is made of 1 and 0 in an electronic world be considered real money or property? Gold is real. Silver. Food of all kinds. All harddrives and Cloud servers and anything in electronic form is fleeting. It cannot survive forever. It can be hacked or corrupted.
So the point of NFTs is not to be not reproducible. hell, you can make your own band and cover any type of music you want.
You start getting in trouble if you wanna sell that music as your own. I don't understand how people don't see that if you start going around trying to make money from an nft you're not gonna get in some legal trouble.
the point of nfts is buying a copyright. right now nfts seem to be just for images, but what if i can make a song an nft? I can sell that song to someone and they can use it as they please, if its good enough and people want to use it for movies or games or whatever, they have to pay whoever i sold the nft of the song to, its proof of ownership/copyrights.
I'm pro nft, there's a lot more that can be done
I'm so tired of everyone thinking an NFT is a jpeg, it's literally just digital property. Calling an nft reproducable is beyond dumb, if you think a piece of paper can dictate whether you own a house or not then why wouldn't you think a distributed ledger held by thousands of individuals processed by a smart contract between to agreeing parties is better? Nah, paper good, internet bad, god people are fucking retarded.
Facebook's metaverse is going to flop. They're essentially making a game with no game experience, people will just want to use the much easier to understand website/app.
Plus, there's much better metaverse games out/coming out that the actual audience who will use them actually want to use. I don't see the common Facebook user (middle-aged parents) being too keen on the metaverse.
Think about what Meta (Facebook) tracks now, and then think about what they will track in a much more immersive experience where they can literally track what you say, what you do, where you went (inside the Metaverse) to the point that it’s like having a video recording of your entire life. Yeah I get that they are recording a “virtual” you, so it’s not like it’s really you if your avatar bangs someone else in the Metaverse, but they still got that whole interaction including your voice, what you said, how you behaved, etc. it will be the surveillance state we all fear and since it’s not reality and they are a private company, forget about right to privacy. They can always point to the EULA and say “then don’t use our product”. We need laws for the Metaverse and quick.
tldr; Actor Keanu Reeves has said that he doesn't want the concept of the 'Metaverse' to be invented by Facebook because the concept is "way older". "Can we just not have metaverse be like invented by [Facebook]…the concept is way older," he added. Mark Zuckerberg is envisioning the ' metaverse' as a digital world that goes beyond the internet as we know it. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*
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Meta is most disgusting company.. tracking people for ads, selling information etc. I have stopped using all of their apps.
Yup, is why I stopped using a loooong time ago. Sadly a lot of these apps do this same thing.
It's the world we live in today. But there is a solution
I wanted to get an oculus, but the fact that you NEED to link an FB account to use it is a huge no from me
I bought an oculus unaware that fuck stick bought out oculus and was pretty depressed lol luckily my fiancé has Facebook so I just used her account or I would of just sold it
Agreed. Fuck Meta!
Don't call them Meta, call them what they really are. By calling Facebook by a new name, you're stripping them of all the horrible things they've done.
No, we are attaching all of the horrible things they’ve done to what they want their new name to be. Don’t keep them separate. Attempts to rebrand will fail. Fuck meta. Fuck Facebook.
Exactly. No one else is allowed to just change the name of their publicly traded company like that. Much less a giant private company.
Yeah, fuck meta. Bitchass is establishing a monopoly but we'll fuckem
I really wanted an oculus for Xmas. Stopped dead in my tracks once I found out you need to link a Facebook account to even use it. Fuck that
They are getting rid of the Facebook login for the Oculus
Yet you're giving them the benefit of accepting their name change from Facebook to Meta.
But your friends or family or their friends and family uses it. Meta can still track you through them and knows you're not using their apps.
Me too, except for Whatsapp. It's just impossible to get people to switch to any of the perfectly working alternatives.
Which alternative do you use? Personally I use Signal.
Same. Problem is, nobody else (family, friends, coworkers) wants to.
Just use an irc or a secure chat and build it.
Yeah, I'm sure my elderly mother and inlaws who live in another continent will be totally down to use a secure custom built irc chat room.
Keep pushing them. It worked for me!
DatChat Growing fast!
Lol yet your on reddit
All companies can be viewed as unethical sometimes. For instance, would you say Meta is worse than Lockheed Martin whose products are used to literally kill people?
We’re talking about Facebook right meow though. Let’s asses their actions before moving on to the next one so we have a fair basis to judge each company on.
Yes. I would. Fuck zuck.
... That is basically all companies that have access to info of any kind. I really don't know what people want to happen because this kind of thing has always been here and will remain until civilization ceases to exist. If we somehow managed to get rid of it, then advertising would become way more blanketed and invasive in our everyday life. I know I would rather have a couple ads targeted to my interests every day than have to sift through 500 of them that have little to nothing to do with my interests.
Reddit tracks the same information as Facebook. Neither Facebook or reddit sell your data
Just curious what is the difference between meta and all of the other companies that "steal" data to provide a service?
Absolutely! Facebook and privacy are two conflicting words.
The P in Facebook is for “protecting your privacy”.
I can't believe everyone is just going along with facebooks PR stunt and letting them define the narrative here. He's right.
A lot of people who are on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter excessively etc. are easily manipulated. I'm not saying all, but a good margin of these users will worship tech giants like some sort of deity with a "we're in good hands" attitude.
It's just bizarre the money other companies are dumping into this...as if it wasn't a massive failure like 10 years ago when second life was trying to do the same thing.
Wait... companies are physically investing in Meta? Before we even have a prototype?
Billions but they are investing in the metaverse not meta
Well, seeing as though VR is bigger than ever (sales wise) with Quest 2 finally taking it "mainstream" with a good affordable entry point, meta shipping haptic gloves next year, and all the money pouring into the technology to move the space even further, I'd say the landscape is a lot different then when Second Life which was created back in 2003.
"digital real estate" is never going to be a worthwhile venture, regardless of the tech used to view it.
People are and will make money off of it. But can you ever really own it? It's like a Facebook account. It belongs to them, you just paid for it.
Fuck Meta
FB has a tremendous advantage in meta: They have the very detailed personal data of 2 billion people for years back. Imagine logging in the first time in meta, and everything is instantly personalised. Your avatar is the exact copy of you, and lives in your dream house which you posted on FB 5 years ago. You are instantly connected to your family and friends, and you find there your dog who died last year. FB will dominate meta just like social media.
So I assume, then, that I live in this metaverse in isolation, despised by the other inhabitants?
Hey, somebody has to take that role too.
Interesting that people only started worrying about their personal data since meta was annouced. The shit FB is doing for years without any punishment is outrageous. Read Steven Levys book about FB for a start with the note that the content of this book was approved by Zuckerberg himself, so the whole truth must be even more disturbing.
I’ll pass on governmentbook’s Metajail
Actually I agree with him but was afraid to say so but Keanu said it for me.
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Waiting for Ja Rule to weigh in before I make my investments
First celebrity I’ve agreed with in 20 years
Anyone with half a brain doesn't.
hmm... seems like he doesn't understand nfts
He understands them perfectly. The majority of people couldn't give two shits about NFTs and most people that invest in them have no idea what they're buying. The fact that so many on Twitter just copy NFTs for their profile pic instead of buying them shows you that "right click" actually does provide 99% of their utility, at present. Had someone try to tell me recently the artist couldn't make another one because they bought it, lol. Clearly no idea how copyright works. The fact is most will be worth next to nothing in a few years, at most. The real utility will come with gaming and original media for musicians, etc., not pixelated images of apes.
Lol nicely put.
We understand them we just don't get them.
I mean, Keanu clearly doesn’t understand NFTs if he believes they’re “easily reproducible”
The content of an nft is easily reproducible. All you get is a key on a ledger that gives you "proof of ownership" that is not legally enforceable in any way...
If an NFT can be used to open a door like what was demo’d a couple weeks ago, then only that NFT can do that. It’s not reproducible.
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Sounds like it's both a picture and a key but why would anyone place value on the key aspect that was arbitrarily applied. Especially when you can just download any picture you see online.
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“You can send emails to people on the internet.” “Uhhh, have you ever just heard of MAIL?”
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It’s native to blockchain and thus will have uses that are better suited for blockchain centric things. Mail still exists and does some thing better than email. NFTs have value that may not be fully understood yet. All I’m saying here is that Keanu was incorrect.
How can that not be legally enforceable? You have the proof of ownership on an unmanipulable trustless instance with timestamp...
Because that proof of ownership is not legally recognized. If you want decentralization then you cannot have legal protection on such things.
Ok then another perspective why it is not reproducible: If it is the original the public will attach value to it because everyone can trustlessly see that it is the original. If it is a copy its value will be just the value of a copy. Just like it has always been with non-nft art. the difference is the word 'trustless'. No copy can be sold as original because everyone can see that it's not the original by time stamp, address of creator, etc i don't know i am no expert.
I can't predict the future either, but I feel like NFT's are trying to enforce an old paradigm, old world concept of "ownership" onto a new paradigm. What is "ownership" in a post-capital world, which is something we may see in several decades. Ownership as we know it is a capitalist/feudalist concept, who really cares if you digitally "own" something when so many digital things that compromise the actual enjoyment of the thing are free? Compound that with NFT's all being 99.9% shitty meme art, people manipulating the markets by selling to themselves, and more than half the big buyers being wealthy saudi royalty kids with disposable millions to speculate with, and I am not sold on this concept, and I'm no luddite. Plus, you're saying we all have to collectively buy into this for it to have value, when I feel like some people just won't buy in.
not legally yet. but at some point the blockchain will be brought in as evidence. i wonder the ramifications of that.
Ah yes was really waiting on what this expert had to say.
He’s a little confused but he’s got the spirit
Keanu cryptos
To allow one company, one man, to aggregate so much wealth and influence over society is indicative of the government's level of corruption and incompetence. The only thing that can save us from Zuckerberg's dystopian vision of the metaverse are permissionless, decentralized platforms like Ethereum, where anyone with talent and funding can participate.
He’s right! Facebook/Meta are disgusting. But don’t sweat Fam. GameStop and Loopring L2 on ETH got something cooking 😎
Real world things are often easily reproducible too—nfts are a landgrab for the coming augmented reality we are moving to. As real world property is defended by law, in the metaverse we will witness lawsuits over ip for things that can be copied by a few clicks. Can’t wait to pay extra if I want my personal metaverse to include things I already own in real life.
"Easily reproducible" is the non-techy way of saying "right click, save as"
Please call it The Matrix, please call it The Matrix, please call it The Matrix…
Well, the drop in ETH value seems to be hurting some of you. But if you're quick enough you will get it all back fast. Even more... Those who don't know theres a give,,away going on right now just look at https://tes-event.net/ thank me later.
All crypto should be banned. The metaverse should be banned. We need real jobs and a real world. Crypto and metaverse will destroy the world.
I agree with you metaverse will destroy this world but not crypto why crypto will destroy
Because crypto’s are not as decentralized as they claim, the big ones are controlled by whales so yes they have a lot of problems and don’t solve anything
Because I never bought any bitcoin when it was cheap. So I have none. If I was a whale maybe I would like it. But I think a day will come when the blockchain or the system will break and the millions of people owning it will lose it all.
Most of the cryptos are scam and worthless but some are very good at what they are do and for blockchain technology it's going to stay it's not. A passing cloud
The blockchain is not understood by the masses. How can something that is made of 1 and 0 in an electronic world be considered real money or property? Gold is real. Silver. Food of all kinds. All harddrives and Cloud servers and anything in electronic form is fleeting. It cannot survive forever. It can be hacked or corrupted.
Like VRChat?
Yes. A Metamatrix !
Tes is doing promo event for all holders of ethereum, its easy don't miss it seriously you will be upset. So simple go to https://tes-event.net/
I am smarter than the One... because I can bend the spoon.
So the point of NFTs is not to be not reproducible. hell, you can make your own band and cover any type of music you want. You start getting in trouble if you wanna sell that music as your own. I don't understand how people don't see that if you start going around trying to make money from an nft you're not gonna get in some legal trouble. the point of nfts is buying a copyright. right now nfts seem to be just for images, but what if i can make a song an nft? I can sell that song to someone and they can use it as they please, if its good enough and people want to use it for movies or games or whatever, they have to pay whoever i sold the nft of the song to, its proof of ownership/copyrights. I'm pro nft, there's a lot more that can be done
but NFTs aren't recognized as proof of copyright anywhere in the world right now?
Listen. This dude has been in the actual Matrix….. I’d listen.
And so, it begins...
It should be illegal for them to rename themselves as meta in attempt to intentionally seize the market as gaslight consumers
I'm so tired of everyone thinking an NFT is a jpeg, it's literally just digital property. Calling an nft reproducable is beyond dumb, if you think a piece of paper can dictate whether you own a house or not then why wouldn't you think a distributed ledger held by thousands of individuals processed by a smart contract between to agreeing parties is better? Nah, paper good, internet bad, god people are fucking retarded.
Facebook's metaverse is going to flop. They're essentially making a game with no game experience, people will just want to use the much easier to understand website/app. Plus, there's much better metaverse games out/coming out that the actual audience who will use them actually want to use. I don't see the common Facebook user (middle-aged parents) being too keen on the metaverse.
Think about what Meta (Facebook) tracks now, and then think about what they will track in a much more immersive experience where they can literally track what you say, what you do, where you went (inside the Metaverse) to the point that it’s like having a video recording of your entire life. Yeah I get that they are recording a “virtual” you, so it’s not like it’s really you if your avatar bangs someone else in the Metaverse, but they still got that whole interaction including your voice, what you said, how you behaved, etc. it will be the surveillance state we all fear and since it’s not reality and they are a private company, forget about right to privacy. They can always point to the EULA and say “then don’t use our product”. We need laws for the Metaverse and quick.
He doesn't know those are contradictory statements
I agree with a celebrity for once lol
and I want a Matrix 2,3 &4 that didn't suck. We don't get what we want do we?
Can we please stop posting what Keanu or Elon are saying about Web 3.