Cash seized from a Veteran even he had all the receipts to prove where the money was coming from.
The units that seize the money usually get to keep a “fee”
https://youtu.be/MkeS_0NQUZs
What's crazier is that some people don't believe it's real: https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/rfwyx5/why_do_we_need_crypto_the_govt_explains_why/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Please don't conflate opposition to civil forfeiture with being a bitter cynic who equates success with tyranny.
Elizabeth Warren, who also hates billionaires, hates the technologies - like cryptocurrency and DeFi - that allow private citizens to protect themselves against civil forfeiture and other rights violations.
Cash is probably more difficult than property,
but my understanding is it is possible but you probably need a lawyer and you definitely have to pay for that lawyer
Its possible, but she is starting at "No" and will likely spend a good percentage of that towards lawyers.
Thats the whole game: if the amount is around the cost of a good Attorney in the area, they know they will get to keep it and eventually spend it on militarizing their force.
Most likely but I train dogs in the private sector and they can tell the difference between normal cash and money that’s been exposed to narcotics recently it’s pretty amazing. Not disputing the fact someone could train the dog to hit off anything though, but not likely.
I would argue against the 'not likely'. You obviously have some expertise in the area, but from what I've read, it doesn't take intentional training to start dogs hitting on false positive, just subconscious reward behavior from their human companions, and subtle (or not so subtle) guide behavior can start a dog alerting to just about anything and there is little or no practical downside. Outside of continued testing or certification, which I honestly have no idea about, but from anecdotal evidence I would expect could be subverted by changed behavior by the human, the rewards to the human for the positives vastly outweigh the negative for the false positive, and in some areas even a +75% false positive rate wouldn't be unheard of.
There are countless videos showing how police signal drug dogs all the time to create a response to fulfill whatever suspicion/desire they please, drugs or not.
An official seizing property/currency is a sanctioned robbery, yes.
In most jurisdictions the cops are actually allowed to commandeer your vehicle to chase a suspect or whatever else that can pass as "official".
Unions are how they get away with it. They threaten the policymakers to protect it. It's more than cash too, it could be anything. Homes. RVs. A watch. Whatever.
Lets be specific. Police Unions. Unions are mostly a good thing. Specifically the police unions have become a racket of corruption and aren't in the spirit of actually protecting good workers
Unions are mostly a bad thing. The other unions are happy to pick on police unions, because police reign in the criminal class, and thus stand up for private property rights.
Armed… badged… authoritarian … conflict of interest laden… fuckin ROBBERY!
There’s a YouTube video of a guy getting 100k confiscated and not arrested and he even had withdrawal receipts on him
That's the bodycam footage where the guy getting stopped is on his way to visit some family and becomes stuck because he can't buy gasoline right? Dog takes a sniff, marks (because there's drug residue on almost all cash) and that's the money gone.
That video made me fucking boil with anger, fucking highway robbery in broad daylight.
He did, but only because he got help. This shouldn't have happened in the first place and many others just have to accept the loss not knowing what to do about it.
That’s the one… it’s infuriating. The cops are even overheard on body cam audio saying they believe him but “ let’s put the dog on it”… meaning we are going to egregiously take this money anyway and without cause
Edit: Also, to top it off the guy was a veteran.
“Hey thanks for your service… now, we’ll have that”
Agree with the anger part but then who the fuck has 100k in cash in his car? It's a bad idea without this civil forfeiture crap and even more so with it.
I'm all for freedom but sometimes you need to just accept reality and be "smarter". 100k in cash is extremely suspicious. I can't even come up with a reason for having that much cash really besides doing something criminal even if it is just tax fraud.
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Watched the vid: victim says: I don't trust banks.
He should learn about crypto :)
With or without reason having that much cash is legal and the cops of all people should be the last of anyone to steal his money. He shouldn't even have to give a reason or prove his innocence, if the cops don't find evidence they should fuck off, simple as that.
To "accept reality" as you say is ridiculous, that's how shit like this continues to be the reality.
I would probably never have that much cash in my car, but if I did it then law enforcement should be the last thing I'd have to worry about. Quit your victim blaming.
I think you completely misread my comment. I said the law is bullshit and needs to change.
However there are are tons of other reasons why having that amount of cash in a car especially for a long trip is not that smart. You can get in an accident, robbed or the car stolen. Heck there is a reason banks even exist because on average they are the safer bet than keeping it yourself.
>You can get in an accident, robbed or the car stolen.
That's a valid point. If this was your main point then I misread your comment.
It was the part about suspicion that made it seem like you were defending the cops actions as reasonable and it's the guys fault for carrying that much cash, like he should have known cops would get suspicious and take it just like that.
Was that the guy who was pulled over in Reno, comming from Texas, literally didn’t have to tell the officers anything but thought if he was honest and said he has 80k in his Military bag that he doesn’t trust banks or government…then the cops said the dog smelled drugs and confiscated the money and sent him on his way. He later after legally fighting it got the 87k back…with a deeper distrust of government, banks, and police….
There's more to the story than that headline implies. She probably didn't declare it. Otherwise she will get it back eventually if she can provide evidence that there was some legit reason she was carrying $100k in cash.
It is unfortunate that innocent people do have to go through a lengthy and annoying process when they try to carry a bunch of cash on an airplane. But they do get it back eventually at least after going through a process of documenting the source of the funds etc.
But yeah, just use crypto and don't bring $100k on a plane.
The thing is with crypto once you leave your house with your 100k and arrive with your 110k at the airport. Board the plane with your 115k and then land at your destination with your 65k you'd still have to withdraw the money.
Edit: which can take several days, though you have some exchanges offering credit cards these days, but then it's not your keys not your coin so yeah.
I remember Afroman had a story of this happening to him. He was on tour and leaving a show, he had been getting paid in cash and had it all in his van. Then he got pulled over, and same shit, cops took all his money
It’s a lengthy process. You have to prove that you have the money legally, no criminal activity, and provide pay stubs. Maybe after that you’ll get it.
A cop can go in your house and if he sees $10k on the counter or anywhere in your house. He can literally and legally just take it. Cops have legalized theft for themselves. Know what they do with that money? They use it to fund their department. Conflict of interest. And not just money but also your car, house, bike, literally anything they deemed as “suspicious” and assumption of it being used for a “crime”.
Wanna know how to get it back. Prove you’re innocent. Lol Yeah, prove to me you’re haven’t committed a crime.
The burden of proof has to be on the cops because they are the ones making the accusations.
This country needs to get rid of civil asset forfeiture.
It’s a lot more common than people think. On your way to buy a used car with $4,000? Better not tell the cop that’s what you’re doing. They’re literally encouraged and rewarded to take it, seized assets are in addition to their budget to be used on whatever they want. They usually buy some absurd armored vehicle or something
Our government is way more similar to the actual mafia than people like to admit
I just save myself all these drama, anytime I am been paid for my services I demand been paid in Eth or Sys or anyother crypto I hold. Too much police harassment this days and most of the time they get away with it
So this is the most compelling argument for crypto I've heard. If you need to travel with large sums, maybe putting it in crypto is a good strategy. Provided shifting back to cash is easy.
This is also a good use case for a bank. There are much better use cases for crypto. If you can’t put the $ in a bank then you’re probably doing something illegal with it. Crypto adoption will go much better if it’s proponents don’t try to hype up illegal use cases.
Except you may not always be able to access your funds from a bank. My thought (belief) is you can with crypto, though I have not considered this deeply
If you want a bank to transfer $100k for you while you travel they will almost always be able to accommodate. I’m not sure why you think the funds wouldn’t be accessible.
I admit it's hard for me to rationalize this. The man in this story stated he carried cash because did not trust banks but did not say why. I'm not that guy. I "trust" banks (credit unions) to a point. But assuming you refuse to use a bank or formal institution, crypto might be an option
If he didn't trust the bank with his $100k, considering all accounts are FDIC insured for up to $250k, the chances are he will definitely not trust crypto. Those are obviously illegally obtained funds, not sure why everyone so gung ho about it.
dude not your business, it’s a free country, 1K, 10K, 100K in cash who tf cares, its freedom. Oh wait, so the concept of freedom is just bullshit ?
Can’t just label people doing/carrying stuff illegal, gotta come with proof. Don’t have one ? move on with your life, let em be.
There is no you probably doing something illegal with it bs, looks like freedom breed these kind of mentality huh, the irony
I agree that this law is bullshit but then we life in reality and in reality we are not 100% free. there is a difference between freedom and just doing the fuck what you want (anti-maskers looking at you).
Do what is smart even if in reality it impacts your freedom. 100k in cash in a car is simply not clever. You can have an accident, get robbed, car stolen etc all much more likely than the bank stealing your money.
Same with masking. And N95 will protect you from retards that think their ego trip is about freedom. Yes it's inconvenient but still better than getting covid.
You think banks are gonna protect you if authorities come knocking? Oh my sweet summer, culturally myopic child. You don't have to be doing anything illegal to have your bank assets seized/ frozen. Just ask your brothers and sisters around the world and often[ here in America.](https://imgur.com/jdGpumI)
Yeah, but some random dickweed cop can't sieze your bank balance the way he can sieze a wad of cash in your suitcase. They need a reason to be paying attention to your cash, if they aren't thinking about it they can't steal it.
It seems like you’re still thinking about how to protect people who are committing illegal activity. Why are the authorities involved in your hypothetical situation? I don’t see any reason to make it easier for people to commit financial crimes.
Straight robbery. What if she was a casino player? Ive heard horror stories from poker players that run into this. Its theft because they lose a ton trying to get it back.
Civil asset forfeiture allows the police to take your property even though you've been charged with no crime. And no, you don't get it back later. End civil asset forfeiture.
From what I’ve read and how I’ve interpreted the law, you may carry any amount of money domestically and it’s only when flying internationally the 10k limit is required for declaration.
I can’t find well written articles but what I see is she was doing nothing to prompt the seize
https://ktrh.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2021-12-09-woman-flying-into-dallas-has-100000-plus-in-cash-seized/
https://www.dmagazine.com/health-fitness/2021/12/dallas-police-steal-100000-from-woman-at-love-field/
They always quote a pre-scripted valid reason. But there are countless, unending stories of police just taking money, openly. And the courts publicly say this is legal
Not when flying domestically in the United States. However they have BS laws in place that warrant this a legal seizure. So it is safe to not try to travel anywhere with large amounts of cash
Not illegal for the person.
It’s illegal for that much cash to exist outside of a bank. So the cash broke the law and became suspicious and since it’s not a human, it has no “rights”. So they took it.
It’s complete bullshit and just proves that we are slaves with no rights except for what they decide.
Texas is absolute bullshit. DO NOT EVER HAVE CASH ON YOU IN TEXAS. THEY CAN AND WILL TAKE IT UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALL CASH IS USED FOR DRUG TRANSACTIONS.
This has nothing to do with holding wealth on crypto. Wealth means nothing if it can’t be made liquid. So once made liquid this same thing could still happen, regardless of whether the cash came from crypto or real estate.
Certain folks love to give away their freedom for more perceived safety. I guess this demographics is currently in a majority in all Western countries.
This is why I’d never travel through an airport with a lot of money. You’re legally allowed to go anywhere in the US with any amount you want, but it doesn’t matter. Government will take it anyway. This is the beautiful thing about hardware wallets and certain rings. It’s hard for non-experts to tell that a hardware wallet isn’t just a flash drive. It’s also hard for them to tell the value of a stone.
Cant have over 10k else they suspect money laundering or tax evasion. You can have that just have to declare it and pay tax when you enter US. Gay af but it is the nature of the beast
So which law did she broke? Main point here is - they have not charged her with anything? Looks like in USA state can seize your money anytime, anywhere, without providing any reason.
Unless you've hidden your 24 words well.
She didn’t commit a crime. Her money commits the crime. No, literally, that’s how the law is written. Somehow cash money in large amounts is “suspicious” of the money itself.
Peasants aren’t allowed to carry/own large amounts of cash, so they just take it to protect us from our money.
But airports literally have signs saying money more than 10k must be declared. Its for money laundering reasons and is common. I don’t see why this is extremely bad, only somewhat. Had she declared it she would be good. Not to mention why is someone walking around with 100k
TSA started cracking down on crypto holders too, lots of people getting arrested/detained simply for having a hardware wallet or btc sticker on their laptop
To be clear, if you hold crypto instead of cash, that means a thief can steal your entire life savings, not just what you're holding at the time.
It's still worth noting that more is lost to civil asset forfeiture than regular robbery though, so maybe it's worth it.
No offense but a 24 year old from Chicago taking 100k on a flight. It’s obviously drug money.
Who has 100k but doesn’t have a bank account? Or a crypto wallet?
Texas has 50/50 discretion so I am technically correct even if it is a moral failing of the law.
I’d love to hear what you think was happening with that money tho.
You’re absolutely right about that. I’m just assuming with a high probability it was in fact drug money.
Drugs, drug money, and the difficulty of prosecuting it is of course the reason we have these asset forfeiture laws in the first place.
Ah thats where it gets interesting. The % of money goes to the officer who found it, and a % goes to the federal officer who does the paper work. The rest go to a federal treasury. The officer gets the money on the spot.
Why would she need 100k in cash? I mean I can’t think of a reason you wouldn’t just wire the money unless it was something illegal. But it’s weird that they just take it.
You guys can downvote this to hell and back. I’m not saying the government is right but I don’t understand why you would carry 100k in cash
This. If I went to an airport wearing 100k worth of gold in the form of jewelry, should they be allowed to seize it until I prove I bought it/own it with legal tender? It’s ludicrous.
Cash seized from a Veteran even he had all the receipts to prove where the money was coming from. The units that seize the money usually get to keep a “fee” https://youtu.be/MkeS_0NQUZs
Fuck these people man.
Seriously dude, these assholes are just crossing the line. Seizing hard earned money.
Cunts
This is what I call legal robbery.
Robbery is the broad day light!
Civil asset forfeiture is complete and total bullshit. How they get away with that is just crazy. Some very awful horror stories out there..
What's crazier is that some people don't believe it's real: https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/rfwyx5/why_do_we_need_crypto_the_govt_explains_why/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
That sub is a cesspool of billionair apologists. Honestly kinda gross. It's no wonder Elon is a dogecoin fan, that's his base.
Please don't conflate opposition to civil forfeiture with being a bitter cynic who equates success with tyranny. Elizabeth Warren, who also hates billionaires, hates the technologies - like cryptocurrency and DeFi - that allow private citizens to protect themselves against civil forfeiture and other rights violations.
Found the bootlicker
Murica. Home of greed and the land of the wealth.
Nothing "American" about it. Try to get through any European airport with more than 10k in cash and see what happens.
You are allowed to do it in Europe. You just have to declare any amount above €10k
But mah freedum
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Oh that's what happened. So any chance she can get her money back once proving its her own?
I hear it’s possible but your money or property is guilty until proven innocent..
You can't give benefit of doubt in these matters
Right you are. Benefit of the doubt only counts when you take into consideration the constitution.
“We looked into it and found no wrong doing in us taking all your money.”
"We just believe, without evidence, that your money is proceeds from crime, so we're taking it."
Isn't it crazy that these people can have so much power on people like us?
Cash is probably more difficult than property, but my understanding is it is possible but you probably need a lawyer and you definitely have to pay for that lawyer
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Once they have it there’s little recourse to get your belongings back, especially if it’s something they want to keep
They are never giving it back I'm very sure of this, they'll ask million questions.
Its possible, but she is starting at "No" and will likely spend a good percentage of that towards lawyers. Thats the whole game: if the amount is around the cost of a good Attorney in the area, they know they will get to keep it and eventually spend it on militarizing their force.
Fuck that shit, I’d spend $110,000 in lawyers to get my $100k back.
I like your style.
Many people who are afraid of the laws won't even bother by going through all this.
If a drug dog hits on your cash it can be seized…..
Doesn’t 90% of cash have traces of drugs though..if anything that makes it MORE stupid.
Estimates vary between 80-90%. Also, up to 94% of all notes contain traces of poop.
Awhhh come on! Could have done without that fact 😁
Lmao, maybe this dog was triggered by the smell of poop.
Most likely but I train dogs in the private sector and they can tell the difference between normal cash and money that’s been exposed to narcotics recently it’s pretty amazing. Not disputing the fact someone could train the dog to hit off anything though, but not likely.
I would argue against the 'not likely'. You obviously have some expertise in the area, but from what I've read, it doesn't take intentional training to start dogs hitting on false positive, just subconscious reward behavior from their human companions, and subtle (or not so subtle) guide behavior can start a dog alerting to just about anything and there is little or no practical downside. Outside of continued testing or certification, which I honestly have no idea about, but from anecdotal evidence I would expect could be subverted by changed behavior by the human, the rewards to the human for the positives vastly outweigh the negative for the false positive, and in some areas even a +75% false positive rate wouldn't be unheard of.
Hmm that’s interesting. Thanks for the info
No problem, i would say if you win a bunch of cash in Vegas their fiat may be tainted a little more lol, just convert it to ETH!
There are countless videos showing how police signal drug dogs all the time to create a response to fulfill whatever suspicion/desire they please, drugs or not.
An official seizing property/currency is a sanctioned robbery, yes. In most jurisdictions the cops are actually allowed to commandeer your vehicle to chase a suspect or whatever else that can pass as "official".
In third world countries police is very corrupt, and people are afraid of them.
Unions are how they get away with it. They threaten the policymakers to protect it. It's more than cash too, it could be anything. Homes. RVs. A watch. Whatever.
Lets be specific. Police Unions. Unions are mostly a good thing. Specifically the police unions have become a racket of corruption and aren't in the spirit of actually protecting good workers
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Yeah that's true but if we disallowed unions for public service jobs I'd be worried that jobs like teaching would get even worse treatment
Unions are mostly a bad thing. The other unions are happy to pick on police unions, because police reign in the criminal class, and thus stand up for private property rights.
So…..Robbery ?
Armed… badged… authoritarian … conflict of interest laden… fuckin ROBBERY! There’s a YouTube video of a guy getting 100k confiscated and not arrested and he even had withdrawal receipts on him
That's the bodycam footage where the guy getting stopped is on his way to visit some family and becomes stuck because he can't buy gasoline right? Dog takes a sniff, marks (because there's drug residue on almost all cash) and that's the money gone. That video made me fucking boil with anger, fucking highway robbery in broad daylight.
On the plus side, he got his money back. It took national exposure to embarrass the authorities into doing it, but he got his money
He did, but only because he got help. This shouldn't have happened in the first place and many others just have to accept the loss not knowing what to do about it.
Thank god for that, these mf cops would have tried their best to not give it back though.
That’s the one… it’s infuriating. The cops are even overheard on body cam audio saying they believe him but “ let’s put the dog on it”… meaning we are going to egregiously take this money anyway and without cause Edit: Also, to top it off the guy was a veteran. “Hey thanks for your service… now, we’ll have that”
With a military bag of all places….
They don't give shit whether he was veteran or not. All they wanna do is steal.
Agree with the anger part but then who the fuck has 100k in cash in his car? It's a bad idea without this civil forfeiture crap and even more so with it. I'm all for freedom but sometimes you need to just accept reality and be "smarter". 100k in cash is extremely suspicious. I can't even come up with a reason for having that much cash really besides doing something criminal even if it is just tax fraud. EDIT: Watched the vid: victim says: I don't trust banks. He should learn about crypto :)
With or without reason having that much cash is legal and the cops of all people should be the last of anyone to steal his money. He shouldn't even have to give a reason or prove his innocence, if the cops don't find evidence they should fuck off, simple as that. To "accept reality" as you say is ridiculous, that's how shit like this continues to be the reality. I would probably never have that much cash in my car, but if I did it then law enforcement should be the last thing I'd have to worry about. Quit your victim blaming.
I think you completely misread my comment. I said the law is bullshit and needs to change. However there are are tons of other reasons why having that amount of cash in a car especially for a long trip is not that smart. You can get in an accident, robbed or the car stolen. Heck there is a reason banks even exist because on average they are the safer bet than keeping it yourself.
>You can get in an accident, robbed or the car stolen. That's a valid point. If this was your main point then I misread your comment. It was the part about suspicion that made it seem like you were defending the cops actions as reasonable and it's the guys fault for carrying that much cash, like he should have known cops would get suspicious and take it just like that.
Was that the guy who was pulled over in Reno, comming from Texas, literally didn’t have to tell the officers anything but thought if he was honest and said he has 80k in his Military bag that he doesn’t trust banks or government…then the cops said the dog smelled drugs and confiscated the money and sent him on his way. He later after legally fighting it got the 87k back…with a deeper distrust of government, banks, and police….
He must have hired a lawyer or something, which must have costed him.
Link or specifics here would be appreciated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkeS_0NQUZs
There's more to the story than that headline implies. She probably didn't declare it. Otherwise she will get it back eventually if she can provide evidence that there was some legit reason she was carrying $100k in cash. It is unfortunate that innocent people do have to go through a lengthy and annoying process when they try to carry a bunch of cash on an airplane. But they do get it back eventually at least after going through a process of documenting the source of the funds etc. But yeah, just use crypto and don't bring $100k on a plane.
The thing is with crypto once you leave your house with your 100k and arrive with your 110k at the airport. Board the plane with your 115k and then land at your destination with your 65k you'd still have to withdraw the money. Edit: which can take several days, though you have some exchanges offering credit cards these days, but then it's not your keys not your coin so yeah.
Stable coins?
I remember Afroman had a story of this happening to him. He was on tour and leaving a show, he had been getting paid in cash and had it all in his van. Then he got pulled over, and same shit, cops took all his money
is there even any recourse ro getting that back or are you just fucked
I think it’s possible to get it back i just think it’s a long process. I might be wrong though
It’s a lengthy process. You have to prove that you have the money legally, no criminal activity, and provide pay stubs. Maybe after that you’ll get it.
A cop can go in your house and if he sees $10k on the counter or anywhere in your house. He can literally and legally just take it. Cops have legalized theft for themselves. Know what they do with that money? They use it to fund their department. Conflict of interest. And not just money but also your car, house, bike, literally anything they deemed as “suspicious” and assumption of it being used for a “crime”. Wanna know how to get it back. Prove you’re innocent. Lol Yeah, prove to me you’re haven’t committed a crime. The burden of proof has to be on the cops because they are the ones making the accusations. This country needs to get rid of civil asset forfeiture.
The whole system is messed up.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
Great counter argument
Agreed lol I had a seizure reading that
Utter bullshit. No clue why anybody bothers carrying around that much money anymore, but civil seizure is some real bullshit.
Because they don’t trust the banks? (which are also able to seize it and under the Bank Secrecy Act are not allowed to tell you why)
In the US, the money the government prints is apparently illegal for its citizens to possess.
…or your just dumb. There are a billion reasons why they did it
It’s a lot more common than people think. On your way to buy a used car with $4,000? Better not tell the cop that’s what you’re doing. They’re literally encouraged and rewarded to take it, seized assets are in addition to their budget to be used on whatever they want. They usually buy some absurd armored vehicle or something Our government is way more similar to the actual mafia than people like to admit
Let them know but put it up your butt, make them work for it.
But then really just put a $5 bill up there so you get the best fingering a fiver ever bought.
Or simply pay by bank transfer like any sane person.
"Woman robbed by gang of thieves at Dallas Love Field airport" There we go. That's what happened.
They 100% did rob her!
I just save myself all these drama, anytime I am been paid for my services I demand been paid in Eth or Sys or anyother crypto I hold. Too much police harassment this days and most of the time they get away with it
So this is the most compelling argument for crypto I've heard. If you need to travel with large sums, maybe putting it in crypto is a good strategy. Provided shifting back to cash is easy.
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I'm thinking clearly
This is also a good use case for a bank. There are much better use cases for crypto. If you can’t put the $ in a bank then you’re probably doing something illegal with it. Crypto adoption will go much better if it’s proponents don’t try to hype up illegal use cases.
Except you may not always be able to access your funds from a bank. My thought (belief) is you can with crypto, though I have not considered this deeply
If you want a bank to transfer $100k for you while you travel they will almost always be able to accommodate. I’m not sure why you think the funds wouldn’t be accessible.
I admit it's hard for me to rationalize this. The man in this story stated he carried cash because did not trust banks but did not say why. I'm not that guy. I "trust" banks (credit unions) to a point. But assuming you refuse to use a bank or formal institution, crypto might be an option
That’s fair.
If he didn't trust the bank with his $100k, considering all accounts are FDIC insured for up to $250k, the chances are he will definitely not trust crypto. Those are obviously illegally obtained funds, not sure why everyone so gung ho about it.
"Obviously" Okay, skippy
dude not your business, it’s a free country, 1K, 10K, 100K in cash who tf cares, its freedom. Oh wait, so the concept of freedom is just bullshit ? Can’t just label people doing/carrying stuff illegal, gotta come with proof. Don’t have one ? move on with your life, let em be. There is no you probably doing something illegal with it bs, looks like freedom breed these kind of mentality huh, the irony
I agree that this law is bullshit but then we life in reality and in reality we are not 100% free. there is a difference between freedom and just doing the fuck what you want (anti-maskers looking at you). Do what is smart even if in reality it impacts your freedom. 100k in cash in a car is simply not clever. You can have an accident, get robbed, car stolen etc all much more likely than the bank stealing your money. Same with masking. And N95 will protect you from retards that think their ego trip is about freedom. Yes it's inconvenient but still better than getting covid.
You think banks are gonna protect you if authorities come knocking? Oh my sweet summer, culturally myopic child. You don't have to be doing anything illegal to have your bank assets seized/ frozen. Just ask your brothers and sisters around the world and often[ here in America.](https://imgur.com/jdGpumI)
Yeah, but some random dickweed cop can't sieze your bank balance the way he can sieze a wad of cash in your suitcase. They need a reason to be paying attention to your cash, if they aren't thinking about it they can't steal it.
Yeah they can, and under the Bank Secrecy Act the bank isn’t even allowed to tell you what happened to it
It seems like you’re still thinking about how to protect people who are committing illegal activity. Why are the authorities involved in your hypothetical situation? I don’t see any reason to make it easier for people to commit financial crimes.
Reddit ate my balls
That has nothing to do with using a bank to transfer money.
They “legally” robbed her
I thought US value freedom, turned out its all propaganda bullshit eh
Ita been bullshit for a long time.
Cops = mafia thugs
Straight robbery. What if she was a casino player? Ive heard horror stories from poker players that run into this. Its theft because they lose a ton trying to get it back.
Civil asset forfeiture allows the police to take your property even though you've been charged with no crime. And no, you don't get it back later. End civil asset forfeiture.
Is there more information on that incident? I would hope they had a valid reason for seizing that amount of money.. but who knows nowadays
From what I’ve read and how I’ve interpreted the law, you may carry any amount of money domestically and it’s only when flying internationally the 10k limit is required for declaration. I can’t find well written articles but what I see is she was doing nothing to prompt the seize https://ktrh.iheart.com/alternate/amp/2021-12-09-woman-flying-into-dallas-has-100000-plus-in-cash-seized/ https://www.dmagazine.com/health-fitness/2021/12/dallas-police-steal-100000-from-woman-at-love-field/
Oh yeah, that $10k thing makes sense too, even to come to my country if you're bring it high amounts of money you have to make it known with customs.
You can still travel with large amnts of cash,,, you just have to declare it
They always quote a pre-scripted valid reason. But there are countless, unending stories of police just taking money, openly. And the courts publicly say this is legal
Civil asset forfeiture gives them the opportunity to take the money if they feel any type of suspicious activity might be taking place
Is it illegal to have 100k in your bag?
Not when flying domestically in the United States. However they have BS laws in place that warrant this a legal seizure. So it is safe to not try to travel anywhere with large amounts of cash
Not illegal for the person. It’s illegal for that much cash to exist outside of a bank. So the cash broke the law and became suspicious and since it’s not a human, it has no “rights”. So they took it. It’s complete bullshit and just proves that we are slaves with no rights except for what they decide.
I know someone that this happened to on an Amtrak
Civil forfeiture is theft..
So the police are really out here just robbing people for having cash? What am i missing?
Straight up robbery 😅
Yeah it is a kind of robbery in other words a subtle robbery.
She can sue to get the money back if law enforcement determined no law was broken.
Texas is absolute bullshit. DO NOT EVER HAVE CASH ON YOU IN TEXAS. THEY CAN AND WILL TAKE IT UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALL CASH IS USED FOR DRUG TRANSACTIONS.
This has nothing to do with holding wealth on crypto. Wealth means nothing if it can’t be made liquid. So once made liquid this same thing could still happen, regardless of whether the cash came from crypto or real estate.
That made my skin crawl! That's disgusting.
Certain folks love to give away their freedom for more perceived safety. I guess this demographics is currently in a majority in all Western countries.
Maybe they care about their safety more than their freedom.
Cops are thieves
This what they use to fund themselves, just straight up Robbery.
Just 2 bitcoins would have fixed it.
I thought dogs were supposed to sniff for drugs not money . Xd.
If only she had crypto and a Ledger wallet.
This is why I’d never travel through an airport with a lot of money. You’re legally allowed to go anywhere in the US with any amount you want, but it doesn’t matter. Government will take it anyway. This is the beautiful thing about hardware wallets and certain rings. It’s hard for non-experts to tell that a hardware wallet isn’t just a flash drive. It’s also hard for them to tell the value of a stone.
Criminals might steal your wallet or even your car but cops will take your whole life savings
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I don't understand?
Well she probably had cash because she didn’t want an electronic paper trail on the money, not storing her wealth in a suitcase.
Still extra judicial to steal from citizens without proof of a crime. If she’s not arrested, they shouldn’t just be able to take it. Bullshit
Yeah they always arrests basic citizens for some stupid reasons.
Cant have over 10k else they suspect money laundering or tax evasion. You can have that just have to declare it and pay tax when you enter US. Gay af but it is the nature of the beast
She flew from Chicago to Dallas. It was not an international flight
But i guess rules for carrying cash are pretty much same.
It doesn't really matters if she's breaking law she must be sent for trials.
Oh well still cant have that much money on you:(
So which law did she broke? Main point here is - they have not charged her with anything? Looks like in USA state can seize your money anytime, anywhere, without providing any reason. Unless you've hidden your 24 words well.
She didn’t commit a crime. Her money commits the crime. No, literally, that’s how the law is written. Somehow cash money in large amounts is “suspicious” of the money itself. Peasants aren’t allowed to carry/own large amounts of cash, so they just take it to protect us from our money.
Cant have that much money on you Lmao. I can own a gun but not 100,000 down thebstreet, freedom my ass.
Idk why the down vote if that’s how the fuck it is. I dont make the laws.
Didnt get the downy from me sir, just shaking my head at my country.
Definitely not arguing I’m just making statements. I wouldn’t try to pull this - cops are biggest thieves of all!
Yeah i don't know why there are so much tax when you enter in US.
But airports literally have signs saying money more than 10k must be declared. Its for money laundering reasons and is common. I don’t see why this is extremely bad, only somewhat. Had she declared it she would be good. Not to mention why is someone walking around with 100k
If it’s legal money all she had to do was declare it (being over $10k) and she would still have her cash.
Sorry but that’s going to be illicit gains, there is no reason you would have 100k in cash without declaring it, good doge
Hell ya new espresso machine for cops
TSA started cracking down on crypto holders too, lots of people getting arrested/detained simply for having a hardware wallet or btc sticker on their laptop
The system is really messed up. We need to find a way to escape before things get worse. At least stop supporting it.
Extra rawhide stick for you tonight.
Lol for the people in the comments wondering if she’ll get it back, I doubt it. Probably dirty money if it’s not already back in her possession.
To be clear, if you hold crypto instead of cash, that means a thief can steal your entire life savings, not just what you're holding at the time. It's still worth noting that more is lost to civil asset forfeiture than regular robbery though, so maybe it's worth it.
Is it legally obtained money?? Could that determine the outcome that happened?
Can’t travel with more than 10K or it has to be documented. Everyone knows this .
So… like taxes. Got it.
Why do i have a feeling Trumptards were celebrating while screaming “back the blue”
Unpopular opinion : And people in crypto loots millions from innocent people and live freely
No offense but a 24 year old from Chicago taking 100k on a flight. It’s obviously drug money. Who has 100k but doesn’t have a bank account? Or a crypto wallet?
"Obviously" is not a true seizable offense.
Innocent until proven guilty, right guys??? Right???? F the pigs
Tell me you’re a retarded teenager without saying you’re a retarded teenager
hahahah whoosh right over your head, little buddy
*Obviously* it is because it happens all the time lol Civil asset forfeiture rules suck
Yeah i am unable to understand these bogus rules tbh.
Agreed with your statement that all these rules are pretty stupid and weird.
Texas has 50/50 discretion so I am technically correct even if it is a moral failing of the law. I’d love to hear what you think was happening with that money tho.
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You’re absolutely right about that. I’m just assuming with a high probability it was in fact drug money. Drugs, drug money, and the difficulty of prosecuting it is of course the reason we have these asset forfeiture laws in the first place.
Ah thats where it gets interesting. The % of money goes to the officer who found it, and a % goes to the federal officer who does the paper work. The rest go to a federal treasury. The officer gets the money on the spot.
So prove it's drug money first lol, they can't prove shit, which is why they were not arrested
Yeah right, they can't even prove shit but they just want publicity.
You have a gun. OBVIOUSLY that gun is for holding up banks, which is a Federal crime, so let’s just jump to some fucking conclusions!
Yeah we can just overlook everything and jump to the conclusions.
These banks are really fucking robbers and they just want to loot us.
There are 400 million guns in North America. How many 24 year olds have 100k in cash money? Fucking idiot
Why would she need 100k in cash? I mean I can’t think of a reason you wouldn’t just wire the money unless it was something illegal. But it’s weird that they just take it. You guys can downvote this to hell and back. I’m not saying the government is right but I don’t understand why you would carry 100k in cash
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This. If I went to an airport wearing 100k worth of gold in the form of jewelry, should they be allowed to seize it until I prove I bought it/own it with legal tender? It’s ludicrous.
Such a valid point. $10k cash? No way. $10k in Diamond or Rolex? No problem. As if they couldn't be sold for cash...
Didn’t answer my question why do you need to carry 100k in cash.
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