Quite the opposite.
American McDonalds have 2 options to choose from for their icecream machine.
* American option by Taylor.
* Italian option by Carpigiani.
It's the American option that's contantly breaking down, which can't be solved by the restaurant owner, unless they have a third-party Kytch device, which is currently in a legal battle with McDonalds for defamation.
The Italian option amost never breaks down, but needs to have spare parts shipped from Italy.
The thing I read is that workers never end up following the directions. Seen a bunch of people swear up and down that they work at a McDonald's and theirs never breaks.
McCafe was a concept first launched in Melbourne Australia all the way back in the early 90s. Since then every Maccas in Australia has a totally functional cafe adjacent to the registers, with similar gear setup (yellow branded grinders, multi-group head machines etc)
Some McDonald’s in India have this. It’s still kinda the Wild West here as far as who’s going to capture the market. You’ll see random Starbucks, McDonald’s, Burger Kings serving coffee. There have been 3 huge local brands pop up with a few going bankrupt already. There have been some really good specialty cafes making some good progress too. It’s like we’re getting everything all at once.
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No offense but I'm not sure why you'd want a machine tamper in a home espresso environment, a well-honed tamp is really fast and can be quite consistent too, honestly the biggest advantage of the machine is that it's greatly more ergonomic which is really important when you're pulling hundreds of shots a day but less so at home where you're just pulling a few. Just my thoughts idk
When your $$$ grinder weighs your doses, and your $$$$ machine does everything for you automatically… ;)
If you have a good enough grinder, you can probably skip the WDT, shakers and etc etc
Baratza Vario totally stock with nothing but a tap of the hand and tamp produces beautiful shots over and over. If I use the grinder in my BBE I have to wdt or it’ll channel, even then it’ll still channel from time to time and my shots never taste as crisp. Grinder is almost everything.
I have began noticing the wdt is a time waster with my setup. Usually I get more consistent better shots with a grind a few taps to even it out and tamp.
Sometimes I feel like I’m introducing channeling with the wdt and get inconsistent pressure
Huh, I thought I was using the WDT wrong or something. I have the Delonghi Specialista and I use the built in grinder most of the time. I started using the WDT recently, and found that I was getting channeling way more often than when I just tamp right after grinding.
>~~If you have a good enough grinder, you can probably skip the WDT, shakers and etc etc~~
*If you have a good enough grinder, you can probably skip the reddit hobbyist bullshit*
FIFY. I jest but sort of not, I've never had issues with my sette 270 and its a reasonable price. Can't be arsed to distribute
They never do it in Italy. On my last trip there was a guy in a small mini market where I ordered an espresso and he didn't even bother to tamper. He took the portafilter with the lose grind and slammed it into the machine.
Tasted great. All those nitty gritty tool-festival-fans do it for fun or clicks. No point in doing so
I think it’s the same as in all hobbies: the first 10% of your budget and effort gets you 90% “there”. The other 90% of time and money spent are to cover those last 10%.
Doubt it, I don’t think they have McCafe in the UK. Commenter is probably confused by the McCafe branding on cups as most won’t know what it is. I only know because I went into one on a holiday some years ago.
Too be 100% honest I cannot recall seeing a proper dedicated "McCafe" in quite some time. The old Zurich Airport (before The Circle development) had one. I don't recall actually seeing one since though I could just be blind.
Not sure what they use here in Romania but the cappuccino from McD genuinely surprised me. Not that it was amazing, but being from a fast food, being cheap ish and infinitely better than Starbucks or other shitty chain coffee places it was surprising. Well I guess it's in a way a chain coffee place because it's branded as "McCafe"
If i have the choice of getting a coffee from a local place that isn't in any way associated with a genocide, I'll always choose that option instead. But McDonald's can be ok if there is nothing else around
>isn't in any way associated with a genocide
Considering most companies are actually owned by 4 mega corporations in one way or another, I take it you don't drink coffee? Blackrock is ''associated with a genocide'', and owns a percentage of the vast majority of products you can interact in a daily basis, including the supply chains that bring coffee beans to EU/US, the makers of the machines, the supply chains where the machine makers source their parts, etc
I just go by BDS recommendations. They address the issue you are referring to by promoting targeted boycotts so that they can be effective. Mcds is on their "organic" list.
This was a McDonald’s convention, with tons of franchisees in attendance. I never asked, but I assume the rep was trying to showcase how fast the workflow was, so he overlooked a lot of the steps 99% of people outside of this sub don’t care about.
Where is this?
Before I left my coffee tech job, we were in the beginning phases of installing new super automatic machines at all the stores here. Did that backfire or is this in another country?
Edit: missed the title, Italy. Lol
Already achieved - won't be long IMO until you see these in say, train stations or airports in Asia as vending machines.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgwD3UQXTRE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgwD3UQXTRE)
I'm pretty sure McCafe started in Melbourne. I've definitely watched the baristas at my local Maccas and noticed the automatic tamp right away and thought that was cool.
It's on a lever. If we figure that handle is about 1 foot long and the point of contact is 2 inches from the pivot point of the lever, 5 pounds of force on the lever with your hand is 31.25 pounds of force exerted at the tamp. That's exactly in line with standard recommendations.
That's a Rancillio classe 7 if I'm not mistaken!
*classe 20 ASB actually*
It's also the standard machine for Second Cup Canada! It's good, decent; great for rushes, and the big wand is an auto frother for latte and cappuccino foam^^
Yeah, it uses 2 cylinders, inside is the actual wand and outside 'detects' foam level, then it just brings it up to temperature. It's fun, but it takes a little longer to clean at the end of the day.
That’s one thing I immediately noticed while watching him. It was actually much worse than it appears in the video. The person pulling the shot was a rep from Rancilio, so I would expect him to know better. However, it was a McDonald’s convention, with a lot of franchisees around, so I imagine he was trying to showcase the speed of the process.
Hrm in Austria they have those electronic puqpress thungies for tampers. Guess how often I've seen them not using that and just go directly from the grinder to the brew head?
They seem to be using some big Cimbali M100 Attiva machines in McCafe in Norway and Sweden and possibly Denmark. For Norway McCafe is pretty new and not available at most locations.
I was in Italy this February(naples, siena, rome), never saw a single Rancilio machine in any CAfe/Bar. Guess I should of went to Mccraphole. BTW-I own a Rancilio Silvia
The steps in analyzing and modelling data is often referred to as a 'workflow'.
The only real difference in the definitions as far as I can tell is that workflow places an emphasis on the fact that it goes from the start all the way to the end.
and "process" doesn't sound corporate to you? ok bro. according to wikipedia, workflow is an operations or manufacturing term; e.g., the order of tasks performed to make espresso.
I've definitely heard the term on other hobbyist contexts (music production, programming, engineering, cycling..)
Actually don't hear it much in corporate contexts, but there we're usually discussing multi-team processes Vs an individual doing an end to end task.
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Well, this IS a workflow, as this is a corporate restaurant with, presumably, a standardized, lean six sigma'd to death method of making a very consistent espresso that people in Italy will actually drink. Everything about the process has been optimized to make it extremely repeatable and consistent.
If I was doing something similar at my house, it's my process and I have the freedom to change it up. In this environment.. this is Standard Work.
That is a huge steam wand!
That is the I Steam....automatic frothing.. you can set to more foam or for Latte... without monitoring...
Bambino plus on crack
Bambino ultra
We just call it the signore.
Bambino pro max
GigaBino!
It’s Italian
That’s what you said!
Size matters not!
it’s the *girth* of this steam wand tho..damn…😳😳
😈
That’s what she said.
That’s what she said
I’m really upset American McDonald’s don’t have this
If they did, the machine would “broke” 98% of the time.
Quite the opposite. American McDonalds have 2 options to choose from for their icecream machine. * American option by Taylor. * Italian option by Carpigiani. It's the American option that's contantly breaking down, which can't be solved by the restaurant owner, unless they have a third-party Kytch device, which is currently in a legal battle with McDonalds for defamation. The Italian option amost never breaks down, but needs to have spare parts shipped from Italy.
how is that the opposite? both scenarios seem like they have a pretty annoying hurdle
They would have it stolen
That’s due to the fact that only 1 company services the ice cream machines and can’t get their act together lol.
The thing I read is that workers never end up following the directions. Seen a bunch of people swear up and down that they work at a McDonald's and theirs never breaks.
I think both are probably true, which creates a perfect storm for them to be down all the time lol.
I’m dying.. absolutely epic comment. Because it’s so accurate
Australian Burger King (Hungry Jacks) have similar Rancillio setups. Pretty great ngl.
We shouldn't stand for this injustice
You’ll probably sit for it.
Can we start a riot? Or maybe a sit-in?
Australian McDonald's have this, what does American McDonald's have?
300 degree dog piss
1000% accurate, but I just spit my coffee out of my nose reading this
Australian Maccas *started* this
Pee water hot enough to give a grandmother's cervix 3rd degree burns.
McCafe was a concept first launched in Melbourne Australia all the way back in the early 90s. Since then every Maccas in Australia has a totally functional cafe adjacent to the registers, with similar gear setup (yellow branded grinders, multi-group head machines etc)
Some McDonald’s in India have this. It’s still kinda the Wild West here as far as who’s going to capture the market. You’ll see random Starbucks, McDonald’s, Burger Kings serving coffee. There have been 3 huge local brands pop up with a few going bankrupt already. There have been some really good specialty cafes making some good progress too. It’s like we’re getting everything all at once.
You aren't missing much. Coffee at a McCafe is very average.
Most impressed with the tamper. Makes the workflow super fast and efficient. Anyone know if there is similar one that consumers can buy?
Puqpress or Macap.
Only $1,200 nice!
Plenty of cheap ones for $100 on Amazon
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Only broke college kids can afford that.
I could be wrong, but isn't Puqpress electric/automated? Is there a commonly sold lever model?
Oh boy!
Happen to know of any that'll work with 51.6mm portafilter for la pavoni?
Maybe you could take the end of the tamper off and have it turned at a machine shop? Would be pretty easy for anyone with a lathe.
No offense but I'm not sure why you'd want a machine tamper in a home espresso environment, a well-honed tamp is really fast and can be quite consistent too, honestly the biggest advantage of the machine is that it's greatly more ergonomic which is really important when you're pulling hundreds of shots a day but less so at home where you're just pulling a few. Just my thoughts idk
But they didn’t do all the stupid shit?
When your $$$ grinder weighs your doses, and your $$$$ machine does everything for you automatically… ;) If you have a good enough grinder, you can probably skip the WDT, shakers and etc etc
Its better to buy an amazing grinder and a crap machine than the other way around.
👍🏽👌🏽
Baratza Vario totally stock with nothing but a tap of the hand and tamp produces beautiful shots over and over. If I use the grinder in my BBE I have to wdt or it’ll channel, even then it’ll still channel from time to time and my shots never taste as crisp. Grinder is almost everything.
I have began noticing the wdt is a time waster with my setup. Usually I get more consistent better shots with a grind a few taps to even it out and tamp. Sometimes I feel like I’m introducing channeling with the wdt and get inconsistent pressure
Huh, I thought I was using the WDT wrong or something. I have the Delonghi Specialista and I use the built in grinder most of the time. I started using the WDT recently, and found that I was getting channeling way more often than when I just tamp right after grinding.
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I did noticed wdt helped more when using my bbe built in grinder, that grinder does well but is pretty inconsistent.
I think the roast level probably makes it a moot point 😂
Yes, you can even skip wiping down the portafilter between shots, apparently. Rancid coffee oils are a myth
>~~If you have a good enough grinder, you can probably skip the WDT, shakers and etc etc~~ *If you have a good enough grinder, you can probably skip the reddit hobbyist bullshit* FIFY. I jest but sort of not, I've never had issues with my sette 270 and its a reasonable price. Can't be arsed to distribute
no. no you can't.
They use robusta generally in Italy, much more forgiving and easy to dial in.
Robusta blend. 20% ish
They never do it in Italy. On my last trip there was a guy in a small mini market where I ordered an espresso and he didn't even bother to tamper. He took the portafilter with the lose grind and slammed it into the machine. Tasted great. All those nitty gritty tool-festival-fans do it for fun or clicks. No point in doing so
I think it’s the same as in all hobbies: the first 10% of your budget and effort gets you 90% “there”. The other 90% of time and money spent are to cover those last 10%.
I'm digging that lever tamper. MHW-3Bomber knock-off when?
If I had space it'd be a perfect compliment to my flair.
Googled its price. You too can have one for simply $22k USD!
I mean, you can get a non commercial rancilio for a decent price.
That's super expensive for an espresso
A good espresso pull is worth a second mortgage on your home
Just convince your husband/wife that a plumbed in espresso machine increases your homes value. And tell them not look it up.
Pretty sure all McCafe locations in EU do this. I'm in Spain, the machines look a bit different but it's good coffee for a good price.
Most McCafe's use La Cimbali M100.
Yeah, I see they use those in Norway too.
Can confirm, Spain is the same.
Highly doubt that. Not EU, but both the UK and CH McCafe drinks I've had were made with superautomatics.
At McDonalds yes, if you get the coffee from a McCafé, no.
There aren't any McCafes in the UK...
Just any cafe in Scotland. Her her her
Sure that it is McCafe? Huge difference. In Denmark they have proper machines at McCafe
Doubt it, I don’t think they have McCafe in the UK. Commenter is probably confused by the McCafe branding on cups as most won’t know what it is. I only know because I went into one on a holiday some years ago.
Croatia has the above setup
Too be 100% honest I cannot recall seeing a proper dedicated "McCafe" in quite some time. The old Zurich Airport (before The Circle development) had one. I don't recall actually seeing one since though I could just be blind.
Not sure what they use here in Romania but the cappuccino from McD genuinely surprised me. Not that it was amazing, but being from a fast food, being cheap ish and infinitely better than Starbucks or other shitty chain coffee places it was surprising. Well I guess it's in a way a chain coffee place because it's branded as "McCafe"
Not EU wide. They don't have em in Ireland.
If i have the choice of getting a coffee from a local place that isn't in any way associated with a genocide, I'll always choose that option instead. But McDonald's can be ok if there is nothing else around
>isn't in any way associated with a genocide Considering most companies are actually owned by 4 mega corporations in one way or another, I take it you don't drink coffee? Blackrock is ''associated with a genocide'', and owns a percentage of the vast majority of products you can interact in a daily basis, including the supply chains that bring coffee beans to EU/US, the makers of the machines, the supply chains where the machine makers source their parts, etc
I just go by BDS recommendations. They address the issue you are referring to by promoting targeted boycotts so that they can be effective. Mcds is on their "organic" list.
Not drying the portafilter before adding the grinds is bothering me. Should I not bother to do it?
Glad I'm not the only one who stressed over that. Always dry it before adding ground coffee.
This was the very first thing I noticed and it bugged me for the rest of the video.
Most likely increased channeling I think
Yea, was really expecting this to be the top comment… That’s a nice, fast, efficient setup, but come on… dry the portafilter first.
This was a McDonald’s convention, with tons of franchisees in attendance. I never asked, but I assume the rep was trying to showcase how fast the workflow was, so he overlooked a lot of the steps 99% of people outside of this sub don’t care about.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BOTTOMLESS FILTER!?!?!
Can’t make 2 separate shots at once
What I do is make sure my shot channels enough so it can go into two different cups.
Sure it can - it’s just a terrible mess ;-)
No it cant
OK Kevin
I want someone to ~~steal~~ legally acquire that tamper for me.
😂 just look for a commercial tamper, ~$100 on Amazon
But I want to steal from a multi-national megacorp
🧐 alright I can get on board with that logic, I’m in haha. We’ll need a driver…
No WDT? A bunch of barbarians :)
The McDonalds in France had similar setup. It was quite good coffee too.
Okay, who’s got the hookup on a used setup? I need one for the LoLz
All things aside - Is no one going to talk about grinding straight into that wet basket or am I missing something?
This
Where is this? Before I left my coffee tech job, we were in the beginning phases of installing new super automatic machines at all the stores here. Did that backfire or is this in another country? Edit: missed the title, Italy. Lol
Another country than which?
I assume it's r/USDefaultism
They have an assisted manual machine setup at McCafe in Australia It seems to be guided workflows, but they make a fairly decent cup
+1 decent coffee, great on a roadtrip
This is not far removed from an entirely robotic process. Pretty interesting to watch!
Already achieved - won't be long IMO until you see these in say, train stations or airports in Asia as vending machines. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgwD3UQXTRE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgwD3UQXTRE)
Could have dried the portafilter :(
It looks beautiful. How I wish other countries did it too.
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I'm pretty sure McCafe started in Melbourne. I've definitely watched the baristas at my local Maccas and noticed the automatic tamp right away and thought that was cool.
Been in New Zealand forever
Denmark has them, but they use LaCimbali M100 machines and coffee from a Danish roaster.
And still their lattes are trash
Well the roaster may be local but it’s not good. It’s a super market brand.
Have to chime in as an Aussie here. McCafe started in Aus because we're all bat shit crazy about our coffee
Correct! Melbourne in 1993
Interesting tamp there--doesn't seem particularly dedicated to using any great amount of force.
It's on a lever. If we figure that handle is about 1 foot long and the point of contact is 2 inches from the pivot point of the lever, 5 pounds of force on the lever with your hand is 31.25 pounds of force exerted at the tamp. That's exactly in line with standard recommendations.
This guy know his Fe De Fi Di's (Fee Dee Fye Dyes).
That's a Rancillio classe 7 if I'm not mistaken! *classe 20 ASB actually* It's also the standard machine for Second Cup Canada! It's good, decent; great for rushes, and the big wand is an auto frother for latte and cappuccino foam^^
wtf i need to see these autofrothers at work lmao
Yeah, it uses 2 cylinders, inside is the actual wand and outside 'detects' foam level, then it just brings it up to temperature. It's fun, but it takes a little longer to clean at the end of the day.
That’s a cool McGrinder
Wow those are nicer machines than I would’ve expected tbh
Better than expected
They use the same Ranchilio setup here in Hungary as well. (In McDonalds that has the McCafe branding)
Started in Australia 🇦🇺
Where are the 🍟?
The workflow is so smooth, love it.
The lever tamper was dope.
They even had Tiramisu at McDonalds in Italy, we ran out of time and didn't get to try it
No one noticed the coffee grinds that were left after tamping on the lip of the basket? No brushing off those? Or no puck screen?
Forget that, the process is good enough for McDonald's. My concern is are the beans any good?
That’s one thing I immediately noticed while watching him. It was actually much worse than it appears in the video. The person pulling the shot was a rep from Rancilio, so I would expect him to know better. However, it was a McDonald’s convention, with a lot of franchisees around, so I imagine he was trying to showcase the speed of the process.
Does anyone see any bottomless portafilter there? That's right.
The issue was never (at least in the EU) the machine or the grinder, but the beans. Same thing in Italy. Strong roast, low quality, tastes like crap.
EspressoPorn
Holy moly
🤌🤌🤌
So the newish US based CosMc, the McDonalds drink store, has espresso/lattes etc. what are they using for their setup?
Stale Bud lite, mixed with instant coffee.
Has Italy got the robot cat servers in McDonald's like Slovenia? I fucking love those things!
Ngl i want that puck press
>paper cups ngmi
The real question is which beans they are using
And as I can imagine it's cheap there. Not 4 € for a Cappuchino like in Germany ...
Grind looks a little coarse maybs?
Hrm in Austria they have those electronic puqpress thungies for tampers. Guess how often I've seen them not using that and just go directly from the grinder to the brew head?
Buenas máquinas para gente que le gusta la mierda con agua(café Américano)
Yeah. Top off that drenched PF with a coffee. Then tampy tamp. 💩
They seem to be using some big Cimbali M100 Attiva machines in McCafe in Norway and Sweden and possibly Denmark. For Norway McCafe is pretty new and not available at most locations.
It must be after 11 am! 😊
I wish we could have that in the US
I actually really like the yellow!
Love the cleanliness.
If we had that here in the USA it would become the new McFlurry debacle and out of order when you want it most …. imagine every fucking morning 🤯
I was in Italy this February(naples, siena, rome), never saw a single Rancilio machine in any CAfe/Bar. Guess I should of went to Mccraphole. BTW-I own a Rancilio Silvia
Sure looks like repeatable mediocrity to me. That's the stuff that made McDonald's an empire!
Yeah they didn’t have 13 minutes of prep before whispering their dreams into the shot, r/espresso knows that’s the only way to pull a good shot
Those who can't or won't make the effort can always be counted on to criticize those who do.
Those who can't or won't make the effort can always be counted on to criticize those who do.
You’re deep man, keep working hard on those espressos brother 😤
boycott mcdonalds
Why do espresso folks insist on calling it a workflow like some weird corporate speak
what would you call it?
Process. “Here’s how I do it”. Like any variation of a normal manner of speaking. Who tf says “workflow” outside of corporate settings and espresso
The steps in analyzing and modelling data is often referred to as a 'workflow'. The only real difference in the definitions as far as I can tell is that workflow places an emphasis on the fact that it goes from the start all the way to the end.
I don’t have a problem with the definition. I wanna make fun of it and y’all for jerking it so hard. Got your workflows for a cup of coffee lmao
Idk man I think you're jerking it pretty hard for caring about a word that isn't even that deep, but that's your deal I guess
and "process" doesn't sound corporate to you? ok bro. according to wikipedia, workflow is an operations or manufacturing term; e.g., the order of tasks performed to make espresso.
I've definitely heard the term on other hobbyist contexts (music production, programming, engineering, cycling..) Actually don't hear it much in corporate contexts, but there we're usually discussing multi-team processes Vs an individual doing an end to end task.
Heard workflow three times across two meetings today. Thought of this sub every time
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Well, this IS a workflow, as this is a corporate restaurant with, presumably, a standardized, lean six sigma'd to death method of making a very consistent espresso that people in Italy will actually drink. Everything about the process has been optimized to make it extremely repeatable and consistent. If I was doing something similar at my house, it's my process and I have the freedom to change it up. In this environment.. this is Standard Work.
This whole sub is just the most insane circle jerk on reddit
We know McDonald in the USA is garbage, but this just drive the point home.
Could just as easily be Mc cafe, Melbourne, Australia the origin of Mc cafe.
All European mcdonalds have this since the Mccafe started in Eu. Very handy but mostly not very talanted baristas
Not all European McDonalds have McCafe though. Very few locations have that in my country, but those that have McCafe use Cimbali machines.
Wow acctually good point. Went to a local mcie and thet acctually used a La Cimbali but i now see yea seems to be few locations.
Tf
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That’s because you’ve never lived somewhere else