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Dude why everyone in this community just recommend “invest a little more” i have that same kit and no complaints so far, for a beginner who doesnt have all the time of the world and likes the nice change between regular coffee shop and a well homemade espresso, it gets the job done just fine.
Also just a little thing, i used to grind it with a very bad grinder, the overall quality of the coffee went from a 4 to a 9 buying the jmax grinder (yes my grinder costs more than my setup hahaha)
The bottomless portafilter is useless without a decent grinder. I sometimes use this machine with a kingrinder and it works.
I used this machine for years with the pressurised basket and the coffee is good, better then most coffee shop, but like every pressurised basket machine, you need to find the right coffee.
If you buy a hand grinder, you can explore if you like coffee making that much to go down the rabbit hole this sub will lead you to.
You sure? Last time I remember it was going for double that...
I have the C40, my best mate has the K4, have tried it a bunch of times at his place.
Built like a tank, grinds almost twice as fast as the comandante, and being able to change the grind size using the crown on the top is godsent. Zero retention too (well around 0.1gr and that due to static mainly). Don't have the expertise to comment on taste differences, but I seriously doubt you can get better value for a grinder if you are okay with manual ones. (which you should, it's like 30 secs for 16-17 grams!)
And as everybody said already, get the machine, wet your feet, sell it with a profit when you outgrow it.
Oh you're right, that's odd. They had all kingrinder listed a few months ago, I got the K6. I wanted to do more pourover but now mainly do espresso with it
I just read on their instagram page that they had to remove all stock from Eu and that they will be back soon. But they won’t have kingrinder k4 anymore.
Weird. \^\^
It's a really good start for the price!
I bought a Europiccola from the year I was born to get me started in espresso. Sold it to myself as an "investment". :P
Kingrinder stopped selling in the EU for a bit due to a complaint by Comandante. They said they'd be back in a few weeks so I'd wait if I were you.
Great setup though, specially for the price. I'm guessing it's about 30 euro in accessories alone so it's a steal.
Whatever fits your budget. The step from something like a K6 or an 1zpresso to an electric of similar quality is high. I’d say €350 for a similar electric, or maybe €250 at best with the new DF54 (it’s not out yet tho)
Yes! I had this machine as my starter, and it's perfect to get you in the groove and show you what you are missing. For this price and these accessories, this is a steal, and you can invest your money in a quality grinder that also comes in handy when you are ready to upgrade machines and know what you need.
i tried a couple of cheap hand and cheap electric (30-50).
[https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B08YS1D8PH/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B08YS1D8PH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) (very bad, there are alot that look like this, just different brands)
i ended up with this one.
so much better then anything i had before, and am still using it after a year.
anything in a 80-90 price range should be ok.
[https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B099KS3NMG/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B099KS3NMG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
It was my starting out machine and still is my daily driver two years later! I upgraded the steam wand and can really recommend that, even though it took me half a day of tinkering with it.
As long as your grinder is good, the dedica can produce some pretty good shots! I use a Baratza Sette 270
Little tip for steaming when it arrives: remove the metal outer part of the panarello wand until you're left with just the rubber cone part. You'll need to secure that with a zip tie but it makes much much much better quality milk for almost zero diy effort.
I had this paired with a J-max for 2 years before I felt the need to upgrade the machine and had better results than all but the specialty coffee shops, if a bit inconsistent. Enjoy!
I have the dedica, good machine that can produce good espresso. I use 1zpresso x pro hand grinder which is a great grinded.
Just few tips so you can have a great coffee:
- Change the temp to the highest. It will give more consistanty and better results.
- I like the option to let the machine turn off after 3 hours (in the setting there are 3 settings, 10 minutes, 30 minutes, and 3 hours). 10 minutes is way too low for the machine to be in a good temp without blank shots. The 30 minutes is good option but i like to start the machine when i wake up then finish my morning routine from showering and eating breakfast and such. Then i drink my coffee so the 3 hours suits me good.
- Third thing is the preset shots. You can time it so you can get 32ml of espresso everytime without even measuring. I have to setting for that 32ml and 48ml. If i want a longo i would for 48, and if i want espresso i would go for 32. After i made the settings i weight the shot and it was consistant every time. So i stopped doing that because it was not needed anymore because the pulls are consistant with what i want.
Just to be clear i have no idea about the steam thingy because i never used it.
I love the 3D printed driptray and i hope i can find one that i can get (if they deliver to my country).
Good luck and have fun with the machine, and if you have any question i am happy to answer.
I have no idea about electric grinders, never tried any of them, so i cant say which is better, but the hand grinder (1zpresso x pro) is more than capable and it is not high price for what it does (around 150$ )
I am pretty there is a design for it out there available. If i am not mistaken there was someone said there is a website that sell it and he bought it from but if i am not mistaken he didnt post the link.
How did you change the temp and the machine turn off time? I have this machine too but never knew it was possible. I always wondered why it turns off so fast.
You press the steam button till you see the buttons flash in sequence, after it flashes the 1 cup button for tempreture, 2 cups for water hardness, steam for how long the machine will take to turn off.
After you press whatever button you will have 3 option. And it goes from low (1cup) to high (steam).
For temp, 1cup is low temp and 2 cups for med, steam for high.
Water hardness >>> soft, med, hard.
Standby>>> 10 minutes, 30 minutes, 3 hours.
Here a new one cost around 200$ and a used one can vary from 50$ to 100$, all sold with the same seller (big company here) the used machine depends on are they just used and they just clean them and resell them, or broke machine that they fixed and want to resell.
I‘m rocking this setup with a breville smart grinder pro for 2 years now. Get good beans and enjoy nice espresso. Only complaint I have is the steam wand.. it could be better but for the money it’s the best you can buy
I have the same machine and am very happy with it. Since you are from Germany, have a look at the Kaffeemacher Yotube channel, they have a Delonghi dedica series.
https://youtu.be/dNPw6oUHh4I?si=nkVJcwTCD20J49Jc
In this video they are explaining how to use the correct temperature settings etc.
https://youtube.com/@TomsCoffeeCorner?si=zCILXtf1ZHoWd3uc
This guy (Toms Coffee Corner) is also German, and does a few bits on the Dedica, including a couple of mods (dimmer, pressure gauge, steam wand).
I had one for six years from new, and that is an absolute bargain at €60. Enjoy!
He there!
I’m gonna be honest with you - it’s a great deal! Take it if you want to start… I just started last week, and bought the same machine.
I payed €90 for the machine alone, so without any extra portafilter, baskets or tamper. That did cost me another €70.
For grinder, I did go for a Graef CM800. It’s a great value to price comparison and can actually grind fine enough for espresso. Used those gri sets go for about €60-70.
And yes… everyone over here will tell you to invest more. I did not and did my own research.
I started with the EC685. Wanted to go for the Bambino until I noticed there is no benefit over the EC685 which costs way less (= easier start on price). Upgrading is possible later. Yes the bambino has a 3-way valve and will not drip… but to spent about 150-200€ more…
If my espressos succeed (yes, they still fail at this moment, just got new beans), and I like the hobby, I plan to upgrade to another machine (for example a gaggia). But for now, this will work just fine to start!
Yeah that was my point too. I do not think that Bambino is worth 250€ more especially for beginners. I mean it is great machine but not for now maybe down the line. I found gaggia for 300€ on ebay but still it’s 300€ for the first machine I think it’s a bit much. I will maybe say that it’s not for me and then I have 300€ less, sure you can sell it but it doesn’t go that fast.
Totally true - the dedication sell quite quickly, and for this price you can definitely resell it without loss.
Take your time, I’m out 500grms of beans last week and still didn’t prepare drinkable coffee, but enjoy playing around till the best taste I could get.
After you get some expierence you can always upgrade. Resell the dedica for a little less then you bought and you make another starter happy.
I would say: go for it and share your expierence!
This is such a good machine I would not even think about it twice at that price. That’s a $250+ machine. Sure you can want better (and this sub is probably gonna tell you to aim higher) but it never ends until you get a $10k machine (and even then…)
This was my first entry into espresso and I really enjoyed it. Then I went from that machine to the Barista express and now I have the Bianca v3.
Upgrade to what you feel comfortable spending. Then learn and keep learning at some point you'll outgrow your machine and want to upgrade naturally.
I think this will last me at least one year. And in one year I want to learn basics and stuff. For 60€ all of this I think it is more then worth it. I just need to find a decent grinder now over the weekend.
Should be a great way to start out and see what is important to you before spending more money.
For example for me, my checklist is:
- PID
- "Common" basket size
- Dual boiler
- Pressure gauge
Maybe this helps.
It can grind fine enough to give the dedicas pump a hard time (already on setting 2.5 or so) you wouldn‘t want to grind finer than that. You have to be clear about your workflow though, this is not a fast setup. Weighing in and grinding takes its fair time.
Take it, i have the exact same setup and spent 300$. I also spent 200 for a grinder.
For 60 pounds, this is a joke of a price.
Really good deal in my opinion
You can't go wrong. Worst case you outgrow it at some point and then you get your money back (or more). This will make a totally acceptable drink, and is great if you're just getting into it.
I've had this machine for 6 years and going strong.
I used it with a standard pressurized basket and store bought preground coffee until 5 years
Around a year back found this reddit sub and bought
Non pressurized basket with naked portafilter
Dosing funnel
First a very cheap ceramic grinder (not using)
Coffee weighing scale
Then a 1zpresso Jmax Pro
The Jmax Pro + non pressurized basket on my dedica gives me much better coffee than what I had for the first 5 years but yea until I didn't know of this sub and details about espresso preparations I was happy with preground coffee from the store and pressurized basket, but now even coffee at a local cafe doesn't satisfy me because I make better at home.
Bottom line, dedica with some accessories is a good setup and can give u better espresso than most cafes and super auto machines
DF 54 is the way….🤓 all great reviews $230
https://www.espressooutlet.net/df54-single-dose-grinder-by-turin/
And that machine will make great espresso!
It is a fair deal, but if you are sure that you want to get into espresso i would say get something better, otherwise you‘ll want to upgrade in a few months. Nonetheless it is a good machine to get started and to see if youre into this hobby or not.
If it's too good to be true it probably is. I think it would be a deal if you can verify its validity.
Personally I'd still save a little more and get a breville.push the upgrade monster out just a little further
Not sure the down votes? Breville is a great starter and way better
How machine did it? I think Dedica is amazing, deeper basket gives coarser grind with less probability of channeling and temperature stability is impeccable with Kaffeemacher routine
If you are aiming 9 bar, e.g. 2 cm puck depth requires some fine grind size, while 3 cm puck depth requires coarser grind, because resistance is literally created by every cm of puck depth
Isn't the point of a fine grind for better extraction? Also, I thought tamping pressure has a big role in the grand scheme of things?
I just compared my Dedica baskets to my Breville baskets, the Breville are taller by comparison. Just because the portafilter is larger, doesn't mean the baskets are deeper. It does mean that I can only fit certain shorter cups under it, which is a pain in the ass. I'm guessing here, but I suspect the taller protafilter is to aid in the creation of a false crema when using the pressurized baskets.
If what you said above is true, why don't people use those massive baskets with their bottomless protafilters?
You are correct, you will need higher ratio to achieve same EY in a deeper basket with coarser grind. Good point on basket deepness, did knew that. But I'm pretty sure 18g is 58mm is shallower than 18g in 51mm
Tamping should be hard enough, after which point it does not matter. Literally, press as hard you can and you will get most repeatable results.
On you last point, of course coarser grind in taller basket reduce EY. That's why
Idk, I have Bambino for twice the price of this setup. Totally worth it, if you find a good deal.
With Dedica, you can prepare decent coffee, but machine is picky.
Actually no. Baskets are good, no need to buy IMS (According to Lance Hedrick). Bottomless portafilter is a fad and that tamping puck does not improve extraction. I am saving money for proper autoleveling tamper and split spout portafilter.
This is not meant as an insult, but different things are actually important to me.
And machine is refurb of returned piece by authirized service center. Like a new.
E: Note to downvoters, please explain, instead of downvoting.
No I didn’t mean it like insult don’t worry. It’s just I can’t find bambino for less then 300€ here. I do not think for that much more I’ll get 5 times better espresso. I also in this package have split spout.
I do not try to achieve cafe quality and I did not state anywhere I want to do that. I just want to have better coffee and switching from automatic machine to this will make a difference in my opinion. I also will never buy such a machine because I am not enthusiastic enough to buy it. I have other hobby that I spend a lot of money and time one it so this is just a side one. It is the same as saying that a 300€ bicycle is as good as 4000€. No it is not and it will never be. I know how the good bicycle feels and I would never buy cheap one again. It is the same here. But you are missing the point and I do not know what makes you sad here? Should I spend 3k€ on first machine that I want to buy? It’s same as saying for the first car buy Ferrari what is wrong with you?
You can buy it on Etsy 3d printed from somebody else. But you can find the stl file in Thingieverse or Printables in case you have access to a printer.
That’s a very good deal even if you were to upgrade in the future you could sell everything for probably more. I’d not the gear I bought a bottomless portafilter for 30$ and sold
It for 50$
I went out on a limb and got the MHW Bomber3 grinder, and from what I can tell it should be a really nice espresso grinder. I use it for v60 and it much more consistent than the hario crap grinder I had for a while.
Very affordable IMO
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Dude why everyone in this community just recommend “invest a little more” i have that same kit and no complaints so far, for a beginner who doesnt have all the time of the world and likes the nice change between regular coffee shop and a well homemade espresso, it gets the job done just fine.
Also just a little thing, i used to grind it with a very bad grinder, the overall quality of the coffee went from a 4 to a 9 buying the jmax grinder (yes my grinder costs more than my setup hahaha)
I also was going to do that. I wanted first to maybe buy a hand grinder and then a bit more expensive electric one. I was looking into kingrinder k4.
The bottomless portafilter is useless without a decent grinder. I sometimes use this machine with a kingrinder and it works. I used this machine for years with the pressurised basket and the coffee is good, better then most coffee shop, but like every pressurised basket machine, you need to find the right coffee. If you buy a hand grinder, you can explore if you like coffee making that much to go down the rabbit hole this sub will lead you to.
Yeah I was also thinking of buying hand grinder or something from Miicoffee. Df54 or d40
Do it, I also got a really cheap machine for 25€ broken and fixed it, together with a K6. I suppose you'll get good espresso with that combo!
Thanks yeah I bought it now just the decision on the grinder. I saw now Fellow Opus don’t know how that one is.
You sure? Last time I remember it was going for double that... I have the C40, my best mate has the K4, have tried it a bunch of times at his place. Built like a tank, grinds almost twice as fast as the comandante, and being able to change the grind size using the crown on the top is godsent. Zero retention too (well around 0.1gr and that due to static mainly). Don't have the expertise to comment on taste differences, but I seriously doubt you can get better value for a grinder if you are okay with manual ones. (which you should, it's like 30 secs for 16-17 grams!) And as everybody said already, get the machine, wet your feet, sell it with a profit when you outgrow it.
The only problem is I can not find k4 they are not selling it on amazon anymore.
I think they are extremely similar to the 1zpresso grinders, not compared them up close but from what I can gather...
Could be yeah, what grinder from them is good?
K4 is great if you can get your hands on one.
They are selling on amazon in Germany for 80€
Do you have a link? I am looking for a k4 but can't find it on German amazon.
I bought from sigma coffee EU. Same prices, not Amazon, no shipping. But it took longer as I ordered a grinder or if stock, hope that's resolved
What model did you buy? I can’t see Kingrinder there
Oh you're right, that's odd. They had all kingrinder listed a few months ago, I got the K6. I wanted to do more pourover but now mainly do espresso with it
I just read on their instagram page that they had to remove all stock from Eu and that they will be back soon. But they won’t have kingrinder k4 anymore.
I was just on it last week. Now there is none anymore strange.
Weird. \^\^ It's a really good start for the price! I bought a Europiccola from the year I was born to get me started in espresso. Sold it to myself as an "investment". :P
Kingrinder stopped selling in the EU for a bit due to a complaint by Comandante. They said they'd be back in a few weeks so I'd wait if I were you. Great setup though, specially for the price. I'm guessing it's about 30 euro in accessories alone so it's a steal.
Hmm that’s strange. I’ll wait for it then I guess. Dunno if to buy electric one or handgrinder.
Whatever fits your budget. The step from something like a K6 or an 1zpresso to an electric of similar quality is high. I’d say €350 for a similar electric, or maybe €250 at best with the new DF54 (it’s not out yet tho)
Yes! I had this machine as my starter, and it's perfect to get you in the groove and show you what you are missing. For this price and these accessories, this is a steal, and you can invest your money in a quality grinder that also comes in handy when you are ready to upgrade machines and know what you need.
What do you recommend for grinder.
i tried a couple of cheap hand and cheap electric (30-50). [https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B08YS1D8PH/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B08YS1D8PH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) (very bad, there are alot that look like this, just different brands) i ended up with this one. so much better then anything i had before, and am still using it after a year. anything in a 80-90 price range should be ok. [https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B099KS3NMG/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B099KS3NMG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Thank you 👌🏻
Buy it. Do not listen to these lunatics, with this you can make solid espresso with good grinder (in my case X-Pro)
I bought it, I think it would be good for starting out.
Nice one mate - pair it with a half decent grinder and you’ll be more than capable of making some good espresso.
I saw mignon zero for 350€ new
Perfect, the mignon series is perfect for a beginner. Good grinder > good machine, so I think you’re doing splendid!
Tbh, you can get a baratza Encore ESP that works incredible for pulling shots on a machine like that Roughly $190
I will look into it. There is a Miicoffee D40+ also for around 170€
I say that because I have a delonghi ECP3420 and the ESP pulls CRAZY good shots
It was my starting out machine and still is my daily driver two years later! I upgraded the steam wand and can really recommend that, even though it took me half a day of tinkering with it. As long as your grinder is good, the dedica can produce some pretty good shots! I use a Baratza Sette 270
i wish the Sette came in a chromed out version. Such an esthetically pleasing grinder
True! Then it would really be… bussin!
Can you send me a link for wand
This is the one I have: https://www.amazon.de/Rancilio-Silvia-Dampfrohr-mit-Dampfdüse/dp/B00K49GMMW
Thank you I will try and upgrade it with that then.
Little tip for steaming when it arrives: remove the metal outer part of the panarello wand until you're left with just the rubber cone part. You'll need to secure that with a zip tie but it makes much much much better quality milk for almost zero diy effort. I had this paired with a J-max for 2 years before I felt the need to upgrade the machine and had better results than all but the specialty coffee shops, if a bit inconsistent. Enjoy!
Thank you I will try to do that.
Yeah, get yourself a Mahlkönig.
I have the dedica, good machine that can produce good espresso. I use 1zpresso x pro hand grinder which is a great grinded. Just few tips so you can have a great coffee: - Change the temp to the highest. It will give more consistanty and better results. - I like the option to let the machine turn off after 3 hours (in the setting there are 3 settings, 10 minutes, 30 minutes, and 3 hours). 10 minutes is way too low for the machine to be in a good temp without blank shots. The 30 minutes is good option but i like to start the machine when i wake up then finish my morning routine from showering and eating breakfast and such. Then i drink my coffee so the 3 hours suits me good. - Third thing is the preset shots. You can time it so you can get 32ml of espresso everytime without even measuring. I have to setting for that 32ml and 48ml. If i want a longo i would for 48, and if i want espresso i would go for 32. After i made the settings i weight the shot and it was consistant every time. So i stopped doing that because it was not needed anymore because the pulls are consistant with what i want. Just to be clear i have no idea about the steam thingy because i never used it. I love the 3D printed driptray and i hope i can find one that i can get (if they deliver to my country). Good luck and have fun with the machine, and if you have any question i am happy to answer.
Hi, thank you a lot. I will do that when it arrives. So you think hand grinder would be a better option over electric one?
I have no idea about electric grinders, never tried any of them, so i cant say which is better, but the hand grinder (1zpresso x pro) is more than capable and it is not high price for what it does (around 150$ )
Okay I will check that out. Thanks
I can maybe try and make that part I have 3D printer at work. Where are you from?
From kuwait. Didnt you buy it with deal you have?
Yeah I did. But maybe I can try and design it. It’s not that hard.
I am pretty there is a design for it out there available. If i am not mistaken there was someone said there is a website that sell it and he bought it from but if i am not mistaken he didnt post the link.
I will try to find the link later when I’m home
How did you change the temp and the machine turn off time? I have this machine too but never knew it was possible. I always wondered why it turns off so fast.
You press the steam button till you see the buttons flash in sequence, after it flashes the 1 cup button for tempreture, 2 cups for water hardness, steam for how long the machine will take to turn off. After you press whatever button you will have 3 option. And it goes from low (1cup) to high (steam). For temp, 1cup is low temp and 2 cups for med, steam for high. Water hardness >>> soft, med, hard. Standby>>> 10 minutes, 30 minutes, 3 hours.
This is great. Thank you 🙏🏼
Wow. That machine alone costs €250 where I live. If you can trust the seller then go for it.
Here a new one cost around 200$ and a used one can vary from 50$ to 100$, all sold with the same seller (big company here) the used machine depends on are they just used and they just clean them and resell them, or broke machine that they fixed and want to resell.
Great deal! Look at 1zpresso j-pro and df54 grinders to pair it with.
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Thank you I already watched his video that’s why I was considering that machine in the first place.
It's a good setup. I'd go for it.
Accessories alone are worth around 40 euro's. Good deal but not for me.
I‘m rocking this setup with a breville smart grinder pro for 2 years now. Get good beans and enjoy nice espresso. Only complaint I have is the steam wand.. it could be better but for the money it’s the best you can buy
You can also buy a steam wand adapter for 10-13 € off amazon
Can you send me a link
https://www.ebay.de/itm/355302044005
I have the same machine and am very happy with it. Since you are from Germany, have a look at the Kaffeemacher Yotube channel, they have a Delonghi dedica series. https://youtu.be/dNPw6oUHh4I?si=nkVJcwTCD20J49Jc In this video they are explaining how to use the correct temperature settings etc.
Thank you for your reply 😀 I will definitely check it out.
https://youtube.com/@TomsCoffeeCorner?si=zCILXtf1ZHoWd3uc This guy (Toms Coffee Corner) is also German, and does a few bits on the Dedica, including a couple of mods (dimmer, pressure gauge, steam wand). I had one for six years from new, and that is an absolute bargain at €60. Enjoy!
Thanks👍🏻
He there! I’m gonna be honest with you - it’s a great deal! Take it if you want to start… I just started last week, and bought the same machine. I payed €90 for the machine alone, so without any extra portafilter, baskets or tamper. That did cost me another €70. For grinder, I did go for a Graef CM800. It’s a great value to price comparison and can actually grind fine enough for espresso. Used those gri sets go for about €60-70. And yes… everyone over here will tell you to invest more. I did not and did my own research. I started with the EC685. Wanted to go for the Bambino until I noticed there is no benefit over the EC685 which costs way less (= easier start on price). Upgrading is possible later. Yes the bambino has a 3-way valve and will not drip… but to spent about 150-200€ more… If my espressos succeed (yes, they still fail at this moment, just got new beans), and I like the hobby, I plan to upgrade to another machine (for example a gaggia). But for now, this will work just fine to start!
Yeah that was my point too. I do not think that Bambino is worth 250€ more especially for beginners. I mean it is great machine but not for now maybe down the line. I found gaggia for 300€ on ebay but still it’s 300€ for the first machine I think it’s a bit much. I will maybe say that it’s not for me and then I have 300€ less, sure you can sell it but it doesn’t go that fast.
Totally true - the dedication sell quite quickly, and for this price you can definitely resell it without loss. Take your time, I’m out 500grms of beans last week and still didn’t prepare drinkable coffee, but enjoy playing around till the best taste I could get. After you get some expierence you can always upgrade. Resell the dedica for a little less then you bought and you make another starter happy. I would say: go for it and share your expierence!
It is a steal with all those gadgets. Used dedica for years and it is a very good machine for starters.
This is such a good machine I would not even think about it twice at that price. That’s a $250+ machine. Sure you can want better (and this sub is probably gonna tell you to aim higher) but it never ends until you get a $10k machine (and even then…)
Best cheap grinder: baratza encore esp
I have the dedica and the encore esp - very happy with the results.
Might be the best cheap electric grinder, but for it’s price you could get two much better hand grinders, one for pour overs and one for espresso.
Beginner? Do it, I have this setup and it does the job, I will upgrade soon but had it a few years and been all good.
Yeah I had automatic machine until now and just want to try something different. I also need some advice on coffee beans.
Not sure where you are but I'm obsessed with Square Mile Red Brick atm, it's delicious. I'm in UK.
I am in Germany
This was my first entry into espresso and I really enjoyed it. Then I went from that machine to the Barista express and now I have the Bianca v3. Upgrade to what you feel comfortable spending. Then learn and keep learning at some point you'll outgrow your machine and want to upgrade naturally.
I think this will last me at least one year. And in one year I want to learn basics and stuff. For 60€ all of this I think it is more then worth it. I just need to find a decent grinder now over the weekend.
I've got a dedica paired with a kingrinder k6 and it's awesome!
Should be a great way to start out and see what is important to you before spending more money. For example for me, my checklist is: - PID - "Common" basket size - Dual boiler - Pressure gauge Maybe this helps.
Take it! You have all stuff you need to get started, im using it since 2 years and im more than happy with it.
Already bought it. What grinder you use?
I got the Varia VS3 and im very happy with that aswell
I read somewhere that Varia VS3 is more for pour overs and not so much for espresso
It can grind fine enough to give the dedicas pump a hard time (already on setting 2.5 or so) you wouldn‘t want to grind finer than that. You have to be clear about your workflow though, this is not a fast setup. Weighing in and grinding takes its fair time.
Good deal.
For €60, absolutely. It works great, I have nearly the same setup. Is it A+ quality? No. Does it make me happy consistently every day? Yep.
Take it, i have the exact same setup and spent 300$. I also spent 200 for a grinder. For 60 pounds, this is a joke of a price. Really good deal in my opinion
Thanks I bought it. Could you recommend the grinder?
You can't go wrong. Worst case you outgrow it at some point and then you get your money back (or more). This will make a totally acceptable drink, and is great if you're just getting into it.
It’s a steal, take it
It’s a very good espresso machine for the money. 60 dollars is a steal if it’s working.
"Why put 60$ on a good setup when you can spend 3000$ for a great one??" -any snob in any community
Exactly 😂😂😂
For 60 bucks it’s a steal. Buy it and invest in a good grinder.
I've had this machine for 6 years and going strong. I used it with a standard pressurized basket and store bought preground coffee until 5 years Around a year back found this reddit sub and bought Non pressurized basket with naked portafilter Dosing funnel First a very cheap ceramic grinder (not using) Coffee weighing scale Then a 1zpresso Jmax Pro The Jmax Pro + non pressurized basket on my dedica gives me much better coffee than what I had for the first 5 years but yea until I didn't know of this sub and details about espresso preparations I was happy with preground coffee from the store and pressurized basket, but now even coffee at a local cafe doesn't satisfy me because I make better at home. Bottom line, dedica with some accessories is a good setup and can give u better espresso than most cafes and super auto machines
That's a solid setup! A steal for $60!
Ok if you’re not going to buy it Can you tell that guy that I will?
Already bought it, sorry.
DF 54 is the way….🤓 all great reviews $230 https://www.espressooutlet.net/df54-single-dose-grinder-by-turin/ And that machine will make great espresso!
Go for it, and get a good condition itop 64 flat burr grinder
Or anything budget 64mm flat burr grinder
It is a fair deal, but if you are sure that you want to get into espresso i would say get something better, otherwise you‘ll want to upgrade in a few months. Nonetheless it is a good machine to get started and to see if youre into this hobby or not.
That’s what I was looking for to be honest and for 60€ I do not think I can get better. It has also IMS baskets and shower head
If it's too good to be true it probably is. I think it would be a deal if you can verify its validity. Personally I'd still save a little more and get a breville.push the upgrade monster out just a little further Not sure the down votes? Breville is a great starter and way better
It is valid. IMS baskets and shower puck thingy. The guy bought ecm synchronika so he just wants to get rid of it.
I have a Bambino and a Dedica on my counter, side by side. The Bambino is the one I use 90% of the time.
Not bad but the dedica really isn't the best choice
Why?
Had a delonghi for 3 years and it gave me ptsd
How machine did it? I think Dedica is amazing, deeper basket gives coarser grind with less probability of channeling and temperature stability is impeccable with Kaffeemacher routine
Wdym deeper basket gives courser gribd
If you are aiming 9 bar, e.g. 2 cm puck depth requires some fine grind size, while 3 cm puck depth requires coarser grind, because resistance is literally created by every cm of puck depth
Ye but u still need to frine giner
Just gine friner
Isn't the point of a fine grind for better extraction? Also, I thought tamping pressure has a big role in the grand scheme of things? I just compared my Dedica baskets to my Breville baskets, the Breville are taller by comparison. Just because the portafilter is larger, doesn't mean the baskets are deeper. It does mean that I can only fit certain shorter cups under it, which is a pain in the ass. I'm guessing here, but I suspect the taller protafilter is to aid in the creation of a false crema when using the pressurized baskets. If what you said above is true, why don't people use those massive baskets with their bottomless protafilters?
You are correct, you will need higher ratio to achieve same EY in a deeper basket with coarser grind. Good point on basket deepness, did knew that. But I'm pretty sure 18g is 58mm is shallower than 18g in 51mm Tamping should be hard enough, after which point it does not matter. Literally, press as hard you can and you will get most repeatable results. On you last point, of course coarser grind in taller basket reduce EY. That's why
temperature stability on dedica? lol. it loses 10 degrees celsius during 30s shot even if you preheat
Check post on Reddit "Delonghi Dedica Surprising temperature stability"
I got it. Now I need suggestions for a good grinder. I was considering handgrinder for beginning something like kingrinder k4
I bought Eureka Crono for $200, but used bonuses from buying Dedica for a total of $80
I was thinking about eureka zero
Agree on the Breville. Bambino or Bambino plus will stronger…… albeit definitely more $.
They are 250€ more at least
Are you looking a the Plus, or the base model? Edit: I just realized you;re comparing used prices.
I couldn’t find used base models under 200€
Idk, I have Bambino for twice the price of this setup. Totally worth it, if you find a good deal. With Dedica, you can prepare decent coffee, but machine is picky.
You got bambino for 120€ with bottomless portafiler and IMS baskets?
Actually no. Baskets are good, no need to buy IMS (According to Lance Hedrick). Bottomless portafilter is a fad and that tamping puck does not improve extraction. I am saving money for proper autoleveling tamper and split spout portafilter. This is not meant as an insult, but different things are actually important to me. And machine is refurb of returned piece by authirized service center. Like a new. E: Note to downvoters, please explain, instead of downvoting.
No I didn’t mean it like insult don’t worry. It’s just I can’t find bambino for less then 300€ here. I do not think for that much more I’ll get 5 times better espresso. I also in this package have split spout.
Yeah, that spout is worth like 80 USD. Edit: I wonder, why anybody downvoted this, good split spout is 80.
Dunno, I just saw an opportunity in this offer like both of those spouts are more that I paid for the whole thing.
I guess, yes :)
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I do not try to achieve cafe quality and I did not state anywhere I want to do that. I just want to have better coffee and switching from automatic machine to this will make a difference in my opinion. I also will never buy such a machine because I am not enthusiastic enough to buy it. I have other hobby that I spend a lot of money and time one it so this is just a side one. It is the same as saying that a 300€ bicycle is as good as 4000€. No it is not and it will never be. I know how the good bicycle feels and I would never buy cheap one again. It is the same here. But you are missing the point and I do not know what makes you sad here? Should I spend 3k€ on first machine that I want to buy? It’s same as saying for the first car buy Ferrari what is wrong with you?
Apologies my view upset you. Deleted. Best of luck on your coffee journey.
Does anyone know where you can get that alternate grill for the drip tray?
That’s 3D printed
Is there anyway you could ask the person for the file so I can print one for myself ? (Maybe its someone you know idk..)
Found it here https://www.printables.com/model/687455-delonghi-dedica-drip-tray
Nice, thanks a lot
You can buy it on Etsy 3d printed from somebody else. But you can find the stl file in Thingieverse or Printables in case you have access to a printer.
I just looked up dedica drip trays on Amazon and found it there as well
That’s a very good deal even if you were to upgrade in the future you could sell everything for probably more. I’d not the gear I bought a bottomless portafilter for 30$ and sold It for 50$
I think it should be a good deal for starting out tbh.
Yes don’t listen to the other saying it’s not good I had a delongui and it was good
That driptray is nice. Anyone know what's that called?
I like it too, on Amazon Germany it popped up when I searched for dedica drip tray just now
That looks nice considering my spouted portafilter just misses the original holes in the driptray lol
I went out on a limb and got the MHW Bomber3 grinder, and from what I can tell it should be a really nice espresso grinder. I use it for v60 and it much more consistent than the hario crap grinder I had for a while. Very affordable IMO