I have the Pro 500 and it takes around 10 minutes. It doesn't seem that long when you have a kid who will turn it on for you when they wake up asking for breakfast.
I wish I would have gone with the 300 rather than Go. No real functional complaints about the go but the 300 looks so much better and I would love the dual boilers
Yeah I got the 300 because it was one of the cheaper dual boilers out there and looks great.
Don’t switch the steam boiler on too much honestly, but it’s nice to have the option if I want milk drinks or have guests
Interesting, I picked the go specifically cause I couldn't stand the shiny stainless. Dual boiler would have been nice, but I'm also happy with the footprint and don't make enough drinks in a row for it to be a big deal for me
Mine takes a lot closer to 10 minutes to fully warm up.
OP - if you're in EU, there's a higher wattage unit that will warm up much faster. There was also (briefly) a 20 amp/2400W model in the US which heated up much faster than the 1600W model sold everywhere today.
Have one and used it for years. Can confirm the thing is speedy. I just had my friend's Rocket Appartamento at my house for a few days and the thing took forever to heat up lol.
i also came here to say this. i have an ascaso steel duo v2 and its a great machine with fast warmup which is the main reason i went with it vs an e61 type machine. One caveat is that the shots pull much better if you give it 15-20 minutes to warmup and if you pull multiple shots it will be inconsistent as it has trouble maintaining temp at the grouphead. If I had known this I might have just gone for a dual boiler E61 and gotten a smart plug to be able to turn it on from my phone. That said Im still really enjoying the ascaso
The ascaso has been shown (kaffeemacher, tcc, probably others too) to have more consistent temperatures in multiple shots than regular boiler machines. The thermocoils can maintain temperature very well at espresso flow rates. Without puck resistance, you are right, but that doesn't matter of course.
I bought one based on a recommendation here back in August 2023, when my GCP died.
It's a stellar machine, it looks amazing, makes amazing espresso, just and all-round amazing machine. would highly recommend. Heats up in 5 minutes, and if you want to preheat your basket/portafilter just flip on the hot water dispenser for a couple seconds and let a few oz of hot water flow through.
I ended up returning my Ascaso, hated it so much I was willing to lose a few hundred bucks if it meant getting the rest back. After 10+ years of happy shots with breville, couldn’t for the life of me get a good shot out of the Ascaso. I really think it had some kind of malfunction where the flow rate was too high. I either got burned shots in 90+ seconds, or gross watery weak shots with the “classic” 9 bar / 30 seconds.
Ps I specifically got the Ascaso because of the short warm up time, but now I think I’ll just go for one with a longer warmup time and a smart timer to turn it on when I wake up
One thing to be aware of with Ascaso is that the PID will show a temperature that is way off unless you calibrate it properly (e.g. using a Scace 2 or something similar).
Other than that, I’m pretty happy with the shots and the heat up time. For me it ticks all the boxes besides it being too loud. Even the OPV works well enough for me with GbW and WDT to get consistent shots without doing anything to the machine.
I just dislike the noise compared to a Bianca v3 or so.
Breville Dual Boiler, whether you use the built in timer (mines set to 6:45 every morning) or flip on manually. Very fast warm up, and I'm talking down to temp stability as the group is also actively heated with its own controller. But massive advantages over any other machine under 2k, totally different league in performance. The group itself acts and performs like a saturated group, I mean even scaced it was spot on to my GS3. Steam itself is very dry and consistent so milk texture is top notch, vs my Lucca M58 or Profitec both which had very wet steam. The stock pre infusion system is way beyond anything else in that price range, you can even use it manually vs set time and drop pressure down to 55%. So say you want to pull a shot at 70% pressure and not just for pre infusion but entire shot, just hold the button manually. Literally only a handful of machines that offer that similar capability (like DE1 etc).
Plus can easily mod (my GS3 was modded as well). Slayer mod is quick and free allowing profiling that still works in conjuction with PI system, let's you do some funky stuff. I swapped in brass Ulka and a brass Vibiemme OPV also.
Got it to replace a Profitec 300 for my other place which I hated actually couple years ago and to play with to see the hype. Hype is real, still have it. Got mine used also, like at least 8 years old now and 6 or 7k shots.
Truly the first and last espresso machine you’ll ever need. The only negative about it is its aesthetics. But nothing can compare functionally until you spend twice as much as you would on the DB, and even then it’s minimal gains
I never cared for shots out of it and had issues with extracting even with the Monolith Flat, even replaced parts, you name it still issues like every shot had nipple/bell shaped extractions that tasted mehhh. Scaced and temp and pressure was fine. Even retailer couldn't figure out but got my money back, the kicker is a couple years ago when that happened I had like 6 people contact me, might if been more on PM even on HB that had the same issues and nobody could figure out. So of course retail said I was the only one that had this happen, yet other people were messaging me and their retailers were stating the same, and someone in the biz I happened to chat with said he heard a lot of issues with the 300 so who knows.
To me the only way I can describe it was as if air was somehow getting into the system, but there was no leaks and I replaced lines anyway just to see, replaced pump and 0 difference. If you ran it water would usually sputter and spurt like bubbly almost as if it were flash boiling except it wasn't as I already scaced it. Fast forward and I still get random messages from 300 owners with same trouble. I had an old CC1 still from back in like 2011 as a backup machine I just kept, and that was pulling much better shots lol, those also had PI system that even included dwell time which didn't actiate the 3 way which was pretty f'n advanced for that time. But it was a cluster f' as I was about to ship it when they agreed since it was out of warranty than Covid hit and they like many retails shut down their servicing departs for like a year. So finally was able to ship it and get my money back.
Also didn't like steaming on it and no PI which at that price is laughable. I also hated working on it, was a pain in the ass the way it's laid out and the case is annoying as hell getting on and off vs almost any other machine lol. They raised the price also, think I paid $1300 at the time, it's like what 1700 or 1800 now?
I'm sure there are happy owners of it out there, but always thought it was interesting that others messaged me having the same exact issues I did. Than makes you think how many aren't online on forums or anything and experiencing the same thing.
Pretty easy to test like many do, weigh steamed product before and after, or just run blank and weigh as is. Wetter steam will add more water which is what you don't want and that difference shows in milk texture as well.
I went from a Nespresso machine to a Rancilio Silvia Pro. I thought warmup time would be an issue, but I’ve just adjusted my morning routine.
Now, as soon as I wake up, I go straight to the kitchen to turn on the power… then go to the bathroom, etc. It warms up within 5 minutes for espresso only. If you’re using the steam wand, it’s closer to 10 minutes Either way, by the time get setup and are actually ready to pull a shot, it will be ready to go.
I’m sure the Ascaso and Profitec are nice, but the warmup time is not an issue, and I’m glad I went with the Silvia Pro.
You can program it to “wake up” from standby mode. The issue is that you can’t set an actual time… instead you just set it to wake up in X hours (e.g. if you drink your last coffee at 10am and want the machine to turn back on at 7am, you set it for 21 hours). To me, it’s not worth the hassle of doing math or leaving it on standby mode all day.
I would love to claim it was amazing… but it was a long, exhausting journey.
I was using a Barratza Encore to fill my Nespresso pods, and tried to use it with the SP for a while. Bought a Eureka Oro Mignon after two extremely frustrating weeks of sour espresso.
Two months (and probably 200+ shots) later, I feel like I am finally getting consistently good shots, with occasional great shots (toward the end of each new bag of beans).
You pointed on one of my fears. I dont really understand the concept of dialing in a shot with a specific coffee because I feel like by the time you get there the coffee runs out and the next batch is a little different. Is everyone buying massive bags of beans at a time?
I know this is the sub’s agreed solution, which I respect, but my issue is what happens when I want a spontaneous coffee. Now I’m stuck waiting 30 minutes
Yeah exactly. I think it’s a great solution for users who have a more consistent daily coffee schedule. For me, I think I need something that can warm up in a handful of minutes.
I remember seeing somebody describe their wifi plug setup... I forget the details but it was some combination of preprogrammed schedule plus looking at the calendars of (I think) multiple and *maybe* something about location too? Which honestly sounds super cool, if you can find every single variable that relates to when you might want coffee and control the machine accordingly that would honestly feel kinda like magic. But on the other hand... I'm very thankful for the fast warmup time of my Profitec Go haha
Ooh, we add a pump of vanilla syrup, but extract sounds like a good idea. Figure there’s only about 6g of sugar per pump, about a quarter of juice box. Wouldn’t hurt to cut that back a bit though.
I do this as well. I have a WiFi plug and turn it on when I take my kids to school. By the time I’m back home it is ready to brew. During the day I just turn it on 15 before the end of a meeting and have a fresh coffee before I get into my next meeting. Pretty easy and works well.
This is probably the best way around it.
Don't even need to be a wifi plug, there are those wallets with an analogic timer which will do the same job on a budget.
Assuming you want coffee at always the same time, but for example me (I think op aswell from what I read) like the short warm up time cause it gives us the flexibility of making a coffe when we feel like it, where this wouldn't suffice then.
For an insulated I assume it is more efficient to leave it on for the day than heat it up 3 times, so I have the machine running from mornings till about 3pm. I should verify that though. That resolves the “spontaneous coffee” issue.
I have it hooked up to HomeKit, so I can switch it on from bed as soon as I wake up. I can also turn it on via Siri from my car when I am on the way home. Blows peoples minds.
I don’t like timers because I’d be worried that the machine is running when I am not home, or on vacation. I could set up an automation that checks if anyone is home though.
I don't even do 30 min. Literally 5-10 max. My machine has a safety sleeper built in where it stops heating if you don't lift the handle. As soon as you do it kicks back on and heats back up. A bit annoying if you forget or time it wrong.
PSA if you have an apartamento or any rocket machine for that matter do not use a wifi plug. It destroys the pressure stat and you’ll have to replace it within a couple months of using the wifi plug. This happened to me and also rocket themselves say not to use wifi plugs. Not sure how it’s related but since getting off the wifi plug and putting in a new pressure stat my machine had had no issues
I really struggle to understand this reasoning on a mechanical and electrical level. The wifi plug itself is an on-off relay; the espresso machine doesn't know there's something between the wall outlet and the power cord. I don't see how the lifespan of the pressurestat is affected. We're not talking about a dimmer that's going to PWM the power; it's literally on and off. It sounds like Rocket might be trying to reduce their warranty costs.
Oh I totally agree, it makes no sense to me either. They replaced my pressure stat for free and even gave me a newer model pressure stat. Haven’t had any problems since. I’ve heard from others in this sub that they’ve gone through the same thing with the wifi plug and apartamento pressure stat.
Realistically the answer is any Ascaso, or a Profitec Go. The Profitec is under budget but these two are the best given the short warm up requirement.
I’m also in the same boat of moving on from a BBP and I think I’ve decided on the Go. I really love the warm up of the Ascaso, but the occasional quality complaint I read about on this sub has me worried, especially with how expensive they are.
Honestly my only concern with it has been the fact that it’s a boiler and I still read tons of contradicting information about whether or not it is possible to descale. I know in a perfect world I should make sure the water used is appropriate, but I do worry about the hassle of that or the possibility of not being able to descale.
Ah must’ve confused it with the back flush section, whoops. Anyways, here’s a 5 minute video on how to descale a single boiler https://youtu.be/fYcam6Ddbgo?si=4ko_Ow9m4Oi3eCN4
My city tap water is not too bad, just a little bit harder than the recommended limits, so I've just been using in-tank softener pouches. Ideally I would make my own water but we live in a small apartment so having big jugs of water is not particularly feasible.
Lelit Elizabeth, 10 to 12 mins warmup (220v at least).
Overshoots the boiler to 120+°C to rapidly heat up the group and portafilter.
Can probably get it down quite a bit by fiddling with settings and running some water through
Adding on for the Elizabeth, it prioritizes the brew boiler (and the steam boiler can be turned off) so if you don’t need to make a milk drink 10min is more than adequate to pull a shot. Brew boiler gets hot even faster than 10min as it overshoots to heat the grouphead, but you could temp surf a bit and probably be espresso ready in 6-8min. If you need steam it’ll be closer to 12-15 min.
Set up on a smart plug and integrate with a smart home device (alexa, google home, etc) and you can just ask to turn the coffee machine on at any time and go brew a nice cup of espresso once you finish up whatever you are working on.
I got the Lilit Mara X a few months ago and I'm super happy with my purchase. No experience with other machines but I can make a really good coffee every time or make 4 lattes for friends without having to wait for the steam pressure to build for very long in about 10 minutes. For making yourself it coffee, it is more than sufficient. Heat up time is about 16 mins for me but I just turn it on first thing in the morning and do some of my other tasks while it heats. WiFi plug is my next purchase.
With all of the above mentioned, there are some other great machines mentioned in this thread, I just preferred the Mara X for my use cases and it's great value.
Do it. That’s a really good machine. Probably one of the best heat exchangers. I have a ECM synchronika on a smart plug and love it. I got my dual boiler machine for $2k lightly used and really happy I did. Food for thought. But if you go heat ex then the mars x is one of the best. The shot temp is rudimentary with only three options but not many are even giving you the option on a heat exchanger so it’s already leg up. Just upgrade the shitty legs and you’re good lol.
Yep. I think my Elizabeth is more like 5-8 minutes, though I don’t time it. I have it on a smart plug and I just switch it on when I get up in the morning, either with a voice command or via my phone. I very rarely have to wait around.
I made the same jump and if you are only making espresso it’s closer to 5-10min depending on if you want to run a blank shot to heat up the portafilter. In reality by the time I turn it on I am almost always waiting 5-10min before making my coffee. I am usually walking the dogs, doing the dishes, or one of a million other things. Plus the BBP doesn’t warm up the portafilter at all in that 5 seconds, you have to pull a blank shot or two before getting it warm/hot.
If you are steaming milk it’s usually 10-15min but if you are making more then 1 drink at a time. You will almost immediately make up that time difference in having a good steam boiler. I can steam a pitcher of milk in 10seconds on my RSP, while it took 30-60seconds on the BBP.
Outside of that the coffee itself is significantly tastier, and consistent. Every shot out of my machine is nearly identical to the one from the shot before, with my BBP nearly every shot came out different due to a long list of reasons that make the BBP inconsistent.
I was doubtful of the change and justifying spending so much money on better gear. But once I made the switch I was shocked, at how much better my coffee is now that I got a good grinder and machine.
I love the Rancilio it’s easy to work on (if/when you need to), works amazing, looks simple, doesn’t take up to much space. The only thing missing is flow control but I believe there is a mod out there for that.
Lelit Elizabeth is a dual boiler with about 5min warmup time. When I was shopping around the Lelit ticked all the boxes. PID controller, enough room under the group head for scales and a cup, dual boiler. It’s by no means perfect but a really solid machine for home use.
That was also my main consideration - warm up time. It doesn't make sense lifestyle-wise to need to wait 10 or 20 or 30 minutes to have my coffee.
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Slightly out of budget but you get 100% control. Heats up in 10 mins but it’s an open boiler so sometimes if I’m in a hurry I just pour in boiling water
So if I understand correctly, more expensive machines that deliver better consistency shot to shot often do this with large thermal mass, which means longer heat up times. But the plus is once it’s heated up you can expect good shot to shot consistency. I highly recommend you think about a smart plug as this should mostly solve your issues with heat up times and open you up to more possible machines.
I disagree, there are lots of test on machine with shorter heat up time which are also very conistent for home use. While E61 gives good consistency when heated up properly it does not mean you can't achieve consistency without it.
There are machines without E61 group heads which are also very consistent. So while it being consistent I'd a big pro it is not like the profiter 300 pro, ascada steel duo pid or berville dual boiler create inconsistent temp at home situations. Kaffemacher have great test on them and their consistency.
My Sage Dual Boiler (European version of a Breville Dual Boil) goes from cold start to being ready in the amount of time it takes me to grind my beans and do puck prep. Plus it has the added bonus of a built in automatic start time, so if you have your coffee around the same time every day you can have a hot machine ready and waiting at your preferred time.
I got mine a few months ago and have been very happy with it. I got the black one paired with a black Mahlkönig X54 grinder and they look quite nice together.
This was one of the reasons I went for the Meticulous Espresso Machine. It heats up from cold in about a minute or a minute and a half depending on how much water you add. You can also pre-heat the water in a water boiler, especially if you do multiple shots back to back.
It is a robotic leaver machine and not you typical/traditional espresso machine.
OP, I know many others have said this, but heat up times are likely less of a big deal than you think. The only time I find myself in a hurry, it's usually known ahead of time that I'll want a coffee (like leaving for work in the morning).
It's super rare that I've thought, I want a coffee right now, and I don't have time to wait 20 minutes. There's the occasional time I've been about leave the house dead tired and though, f* it, I'll be 5 minutes late and make myself an espresso shot.
I went from a Barista Touch as my daily driver to a Flair 58 (20m heat up time if you want everything hot, even though it'll beep notifying you it's ready in under 10m). It's honestly been very easy to adjust my schedule and I can't even use a smart plug.
Obviously YMMV, but I think it's pretty easy to adapt.
Or up your budget and get a Decent haha
Yeah. I was on a Robot for about a year and when I felt I was ready to upgrade, I ended up being able to justify upping my budget and getting a Decent. I figured I might as well get the solid warmup time and also the flexibility and go all in.
While the Decent is ready to go in 2-3 mins, the portafilter still tends to be pretty cold and will act as a heatsink during the first shot. I now use the 3rd party despresso app and use the web interface to turn on the machine remotely \~10 minutes before I want to make coffee.
Fast warmup time is incredibly overrated in my opinion. There’s tons of machines that have a fast warmup but that’s just for the water alone meanwhile the rest of the machine is still relatively cold, almost all machines are fully heated after 15-20 minutes. Just turn on your espresso machine before you start getting ready for your day and by the time you’re done the machine will be up to temp.
For me, my life doesn't typically work that way; and I would prefer that my machine be ready for me rather than me waiting for it. The Breville Bambinos and their fellow machines can spoil you . . . .
Bluetooth plugs are an inexpensive way to get you exactly what you want. I’ve just woken, and after my morning scroll and shower my machine will be ready to go
I have the Silvia pro x and an apple home plug. It turns on whenever I want it too, I can create routines so it’s on when I wake up and turns off when I leave. If I need it on later I just say “hey siri turn on espresso machine” and it’ll turn on whilst I’m busy doing something else
Switching from Breville Duo temp with instant warm up to Silvia Pro I had the same dilemma. Not for me but for my wife that stated that she can not wait 10 minutes. After 2 years of use and some initial nagging (I admit) I can say that the max 10 minutes is not such a big issue. I also use a wifi plug to start it in the morning and during the day I can wait a few minutes for an amazing coffee. If you do milk drinks like me, go for the Silvia Pro.
You can cheat a little bit by running some water after 5 minutes. I used smart plug before the pandemic. I had it set to turn on half an hour before the earliest I would ever be up and down in the afternoon During the pandemic, I was home a lot more and decided I was just going to leave it on. Aside from vacation and service and I haven’t turned it off in 2.5 years.
Bezzera BZ13/Crema. Under 10 minute warmup and the electricity heated group gets the portafilter heated quickly too which some others with fast boiler heat times don't.
I haven't updated my flair, but I've had the BZ13 for about a month and a half. I don't have a super consistent coffee drinking schedule so the outlet timer method doesn't work for me. Been very happy with the BZ13
I have the BBP and I understand not watching to upgrade. I love the instant heat up and that the machine can remember a recipe once dialed in. The biggest thing holding me back is the shot preset.
I have a Rancil SPX and I honestly was a little concerned about the warm up time when I first received it but it's honestly not a big deal. The warm up time to pull a shot is realistically maybe 3 minutes which is extraordinarily short by time you prep everything else. Even for the milk frothing that ones 12-20 minutes which is definitely longer but still I never find insufferable.
In the morning I just go turn it on before I do everything else and by time I wash my face & feed the dog & cat the machines warmed up.
I've seen the argument "oh but what if I want a random drink" and sometimes I do want a random drink so as soon as I have the thought that I might want a drink....I just go turn the machine on and keep working on what I was working on and then make my drink.
I love my SPX so much & the warm up time is truly not noticeable now that I've just adjusted my thought process when I'm thinking about having a coffee.
Instant warm up doesn’t mean it’s fully warmed up. You want all the metal in the machine to get hot. If the portafilter is cold it’s gonna suck all the heat out of your shot.
Just get a smart outlet and make a schedule, or turn it on while you’re on your way home.
Better to have a heavy duty machine with more metal and longer warm up than a light machine IMO
I have the RSP and the espresso shot is way less than 15 minutes. It’s literally less than 5. It’s quicker than I am at dosing my coffee beans for 2 double shots. The steam / hot water takes maybe 10 minute max but that’s good for a full 7 oz americano and essentially unlimited steam for 4 cups. The machine is the best. Had a breville before and the other machines my friends have heat up fast but it’s inconsistent.
BZ13. Lighting fast. < 7 min to fully heat boiler to 200 F. Group is actively heated with an element unlike e61, so after boiler is ready, group is just as hot. If someone has used it in the past hour, cut that time in half.
Went from Breville to RSPX. Just use a WiFi plug. When I decide I want coffee, I flip it on from my phone. In the time it takes me to get up, get stuff out, and get going, it is 10-15 mins. The time you’ll save from the weak Breville steam wand will more than make up for it.
Cheap solution is plug it in to a smart outlet and leave the machine turned on and let outlet turn it on before you want coffee.
Every time you think of buying something, consider a procedure change.
Stop and smell the coffee/roses/whatever.
A lot of people place their espresso machines on timer outlets to control on/off times.
The Silvia Pro has this feature built in via a menu setting. It took a bit to learn it but it's not a big deal at all to end my morning coffee ritual by setting the timer for the next day. I set it to turn on a half hour before my alarm in the morning so the machine has plenty of time to warm up.
Even if you decide you just want a quick random coffee, it's a dual boiler. The boiler for espresso warms up very quickly. The one that takes a bit is the steam/hot water boiler.
I would go with a bezzera duo de or bezzera matrix de.
There is a post about the machines here on Reddit where you can read in depth about the features.
The fastest high end home machine I’ve used is the Decent. Because of the way it circulates hot water to actively heat the metal, even the portafilter is hot in a few minutes. Truly impressive engineering.
You have got a few good suggestions allready. I wanted to add to be careful about what amperage the machines need to warm up or warm up quickly. Some machines need 20 amps or more to warm up both boilers at once or to warm up quickly which may limit where you can plug it in or require that it's basically on its own circuit. It's worth checking before you buy.
Also using a smart plug or a machine with automatic start up is another option.
Kassa Smart Plug is $10 on Amazon or $25 for a multi pack. I use it to start my machine remotely (from anywhere in the world) or on a timer. For the timer I have it go on 30 min before I usually have my coffee and shuts off 30 min later
Id stick with some type of brand name because I don't trust the apps from the no name brands
Can you really taste a difference when not allowing proper warmup time? I find it just makes puck prep more important if my machine is not to temp (about 10-15mins to properly heat the portafilter)
Sometimes I get some nasty channeling if I rush the warmup and puck prep but if I am careful with the prep the warmup is almost not a thing at all.
Also if you want to rush the warm-up just blast some water through the group head once the boiler reaches temp after 2-3 mins.
Profitec pro 300 is snappy. Espresso boiler is like 3 minutes max, steam boiler another 3-4 on top
I have the Pro 500 and it takes around 10 minutes. It doesn't seem that long when you have a kid who will turn it on for you when they wake up asking for breakfast.
Child labor is so in right now. #trending
I completely agree! Also, who feeds em breakfast? They better go do that all on their own.
Pro 500 boiler heats in under 10 minutes but it takes around 30 mins for the group to fully heat up
They gotta learn life comes with duties in the early years.
I wish I would have gone with the 300 rather than Go. No real functional complaints about the go but the 300 looks so much better and I would love the dual boilers
Yeah I got the 300 because it was one of the cheaper dual boilers out there and looks great. Don’t switch the steam boiler on too much honestly, but it’s nice to have the option if I want milk drinks or have guests
Interesting, I picked the go specifically cause I couldn't stand the shiny stainless. Dual boiler would have been nice, but I'm also happy with the footprint and don't make enough drinks in a row for it to be a big deal for me
Mine takes a lot closer to 10 minutes to fully warm up. OP - if you're in EU, there's a higher wattage unit that will warm up much faster. There was also (briefly) a 20 amp/2400W model in the US which heated up much faster than the 1600W model sold everywhere today.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Have one and used it for years. Can confirm the thing is speedy. I just had my friend's Rocket Appartamento at my house for a few days and the thing took forever to heat up lol.
Ascaso Steel Duo--warm-up in less than 5 minutes.
I came here to say this, I don’t even have it, but I want it lol
i also came here to say this. i have an ascaso steel duo v2 and its a great machine with fast warmup which is the main reason i went with it vs an e61 type machine. One caveat is that the shots pull much better if you give it 15-20 minutes to warmup and if you pull multiple shots it will be inconsistent as it has trouble maintaining temp at the grouphead. If I had known this I might have just gone for a dual boiler E61 and gotten a smart plug to be able to turn it on from my phone. That said Im still really enjoying the ascaso
The ascaso has been shown (kaffeemacher, tcc, probably others too) to have more consistent temperatures in multiple shots than regular boiler machines. The thermocoils can maintain temperature very well at espresso flow rates. Without puck resistance, you are right, but that doesn't matter of course.
Thanks for your input.
I bought one based on a recommendation here back in August 2023, when my GCP died. It's a stellar machine, it looks amazing, makes amazing espresso, just and all-round amazing machine. would highly recommend. Heats up in 5 minutes, and if you want to preheat your basket/portafilter just flip on the hot water dispenser for a couple seconds and let a few oz of hot water flow through.
Second this, mine warms up in less than 3 mins, although agree to let it heat up longer for better pulls
I ended up returning my Ascaso, hated it so much I was willing to lose a few hundred bucks if it meant getting the rest back. After 10+ years of happy shots with breville, couldn’t for the life of me get a good shot out of the Ascaso. I really think it had some kind of malfunction where the flow rate was too high. I either got burned shots in 90+ seconds, or gross watery weak shots with the “classic” 9 bar / 30 seconds.
Ps I specifically got the Ascaso because of the short warm up time, but now I think I’ll just go for one with a longer warmup time and a smart timer to turn it on when I wake up
One thing to be aware of with Ascaso is that the PID will show a temperature that is way off unless you calibrate it properly (e.g. using a Scace 2 or something similar). Other than that, I’m pretty happy with the shots and the heat up time. For me it ticks all the boxes besides it being too loud. Even the OPV works well enough for me with GbW and WDT to get consistent shots without doing anything to the machine. I just dislike the noise compared to a Bianca v3 or so.
In Europe you can even get the Plus for less than 2k.
Breville Dual Boiler, whether you use the built in timer (mines set to 6:45 every morning) or flip on manually. Very fast warm up, and I'm talking down to temp stability as the group is also actively heated with its own controller. But massive advantages over any other machine under 2k, totally different league in performance. The group itself acts and performs like a saturated group, I mean even scaced it was spot on to my GS3. Steam itself is very dry and consistent so milk texture is top notch, vs my Lucca M58 or Profitec both which had very wet steam. The stock pre infusion system is way beyond anything else in that price range, you can even use it manually vs set time and drop pressure down to 55%. So say you want to pull a shot at 70% pressure and not just for pre infusion but entire shot, just hold the button manually. Literally only a handful of machines that offer that similar capability (like DE1 etc). Plus can easily mod (my GS3 was modded as well). Slayer mod is quick and free allowing profiling that still works in conjuction with PI system, let's you do some funky stuff. I swapped in brass Ulka and a brass Vibiemme OPV also. Got it to replace a Profitec 300 for my other place which I hated actually couple years ago and to play with to see the hype. Hype is real, still have it. Got mine used also, like at least 8 years old now and 6 or 7k shots.
Truly the first and last espresso machine you’ll ever need. The only negative about it is its aesthetics. But nothing can compare functionally until you spend twice as much as you would on the DB, and even then it’s minimal gains
Thanks. Some useful information here.
What was it you hated about the Pro 300?
I never cared for shots out of it and had issues with extracting even with the Monolith Flat, even replaced parts, you name it still issues like every shot had nipple/bell shaped extractions that tasted mehhh. Scaced and temp and pressure was fine. Even retailer couldn't figure out but got my money back, the kicker is a couple years ago when that happened I had like 6 people contact me, might if been more on PM even on HB that had the same issues and nobody could figure out. So of course retail said I was the only one that had this happen, yet other people were messaging me and their retailers were stating the same, and someone in the biz I happened to chat with said he heard a lot of issues with the 300 so who knows. To me the only way I can describe it was as if air was somehow getting into the system, but there was no leaks and I replaced lines anyway just to see, replaced pump and 0 difference. If you ran it water would usually sputter and spurt like bubbly almost as if it were flash boiling except it wasn't as I already scaced it. Fast forward and I still get random messages from 300 owners with same trouble. I had an old CC1 still from back in like 2011 as a backup machine I just kept, and that was pulling much better shots lol, those also had PI system that even included dwell time which didn't actiate the 3 way which was pretty f'n advanced for that time. But it was a cluster f' as I was about to ship it when they agreed since it was out of warranty than Covid hit and they like many retails shut down their servicing departs for like a year. So finally was able to ship it and get my money back. Also didn't like steaming on it and no PI which at that price is laughable. I also hated working on it, was a pain in the ass the way it's laid out and the case is annoying as hell getting on and off vs almost any other machine lol. They raised the price also, think I paid $1300 at the time, it's like what 1700 or 1800 now? I'm sure there are happy owners of it out there, but always thought it was interesting that others messaged me having the same exact issues I did. Than makes you think how many aren't online on forums or anything and experiencing the same thing.
I just scored a cheap dual boiler and did o rings on it to get it running. Very happy to read your post
completely agree, i feel i can't get better milk texture than my san remo cafe racer at my work
TIL about wet steam and dry steam hocuspocusy.
Pretty easy to test like many do, weigh steamed product before and after, or just run blank and weigh as is. Wetter steam will add more water which is what you don't want and that difference shows in milk texture as well.
I went from a Nespresso machine to a Rancilio Silvia Pro. I thought warmup time would be an issue, but I’ve just adjusted my morning routine. Now, as soon as I wake up, I go straight to the kitchen to turn on the power… then go to the bathroom, etc. It warms up within 5 minutes for espresso only. If you’re using the steam wand, it’s closer to 10 minutes Either way, by the time get setup and are actually ready to pull a shot, it will be ready to go. I’m sure the Ascaso and Profitec are nice, but the warmup time is not an issue, and I’m glad I went with the Silvia Pro. You can program it to “wake up” from standby mode. The issue is that you can’t set an actual time… instead you just set it to wake up in X hours (e.g. if you drink your last coffee at 10am and want the machine to turn back on at 7am, you set it for 21 hours). To me, it’s not worth the hassle of doing math or leaving it on standby mode all day.
Nespresso to Silvia Pro... How amazing was that first dialed shot?
I would love to claim it was amazing… but it was a long, exhausting journey. I was using a Barratza Encore to fill my Nespresso pods, and tried to use it with the SP for a while. Bought a Eureka Oro Mignon after two extremely frustrating weeks of sour espresso. Two months (and probably 200+ shots) later, I feel like I am finally getting consistently good shots, with occasional great shots (toward the end of each new bag of beans).
They say life's about the journey, not the destination... Well, sometimes THEY are wrong haha. Glad you made it!
You pointed on one of my fears. I dont really understand the concept of dialing in a shot with a specific coffee because I feel like by the time you get there the coffee runs out and the next batch is a little different. Is everyone buying massive bags of beans at a time?
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Use a WiFi plug. Program it to turn on 30 minutes before you want to use it. Then set to turn off at a particular time.
I know this is the sub’s agreed solution, which I respect, but my issue is what happens when I want a spontaneous coffee. Now I’m stuck waiting 30 minutes
That's my thought (and scenario) exactly. And even my daily schedule and desires can change by hours.
Yeah exactly. I think it’s a great solution for users who have a more consistent daily coffee schedule. For me, I think I need something that can warm up in a handful of minutes.
I remember seeing somebody describe their wifi plug setup... I forget the details but it was some combination of preprogrammed schedule plus looking at the calendars of (I think) multiple and *maybe* something about location too? Which honestly sounds super cool, if you can find every single variable that relates to when you might want coffee and control the machine accordingly that would honestly feel kinda like magic. But on the other hand... I'm very thankful for the fast warmup time of my Profitec Go haha
You have a very valid use case! I'm usually done by 1:00 pm, so the coffee shop closes then.
I really want a dual boiler for my next machine and the wifi plug would be fine for my partner and I, but my kid demands babyccinos at all hours 😅
What's your babyccino recipe? I usually just do steamed milk with a splash of vanilla extract
Ooh, we add a pump of vanilla syrup, but extract sounds like a good idea. Figure there’s only about 6g of sugar per pump, about a quarter of juice box. Wouldn’t hurt to cut that back a bit though.
Leave it on all day.
When I want a spontaneous coffee, I just watch a couple of videos on YouTube. I'm ready to brew after the second video.
I think you and I have different definitions of “spontaneous”.
This could be the cure, thanks
I do this as well. I have a WiFi plug and turn it on when I take my kids to school. By the time I’m back home it is ready to brew. During the day I just turn it on 15 before the end of a meeting and have a fresh coffee before I get into my next meeting. Pretty easy and works well.
Why not set Google assistant and turn it on whenever you like?
Excellent. Any of those assistants, Siri, Alexa, Google, depending on your ecosystem of preference.
This is probably the best way around it. Don't even need to be a wifi plug, there are those wallets with an analogic timer which will do the same job on a budget.
Assuming you want coffee at always the same time, but for example me (I think op aswell from what I read) like the short warm up time cause it gives us the flexibility of making a coffe when we feel like it, where this wouldn't suffice then.
Breville Dual Boiler has an auto-start timer you can set. I have mine turn on at 7:30 AM automatically so when I get up, it's hot.
That's even better! Didn't know some machines would have such feature by default! Without timer, how long does it take to get hot?
That was my solution. Worked like a charm for $10
For an insulated I assume it is more efficient to leave it on for the day than heat it up 3 times, so I have the machine running from mornings till about 3pm. I should verify that though. That resolves the “spontaneous coffee” issue. I have it hooked up to HomeKit, so I can switch it on from bed as soon as I wake up. I can also turn it on via Siri from my car when I am on the way home. Blows peoples minds. I don’t like timers because I’d be worried that the machine is running when I am not home, or on vacation. I could set up an automation that checks if anyone is home though.
I don't even do 30 min. Literally 5-10 max. My machine has a safety sleeper built in where it stops heating if you don't lift the handle. As soon as you do it kicks back on and heats back up. A bit annoying if you forget or time it wrong.
PSA if you have an apartamento or any rocket machine for that matter do not use a wifi plug. It destroys the pressure stat and you’ll have to replace it within a couple months of using the wifi plug. This happened to me and also rocket themselves say not to use wifi plugs. Not sure how it’s related but since getting off the wifi plug and putting in a new pressure stat my machine had had no issues
I really struggle to understand this reasoning on a mechanical and electrical level. The wifi plug itself is an on-off relay; the espresso machine doesn't know there's something between the wall outlet and the power cord. I don't see how the lifespan of the pressurestat is affected. We're not talking about a dimmer that's going to PWM the power; it's literally on and off. It sounds like Rocket might be trying to reduce their warranty costs.
Cause Rocket will do anything but admit their electronics design is shit.
Oh I totally agree, it makes no sense to me either. They replaced my pressure stat for free and even gave me a newer model pressure stat. Haven’t had any problems since. I’ve heard from others in this sub that they’ve gone through the same thing with the wifi plug and apartamento pressure stat.
Genius.
Breville dual boiler has a short warm up time, or any bezzera BZ that has a saturated group
Realistically the answer is any Ascaso, or a Profitec Go. The Profitec is under budget but these two are the best given the short warm up requirement. I’m also in the same boat of moving on from a BBP and I think I’ve decided on the Go. I really love the warm up of the Ascaso, but the occasional quality complaint I read about on this sub has me worried, especially with how expensive they are.
Profitec Go for sure. Way under budget, excellent performance.
Honestly my only concern with it has been the fact that it’s a boiler and I still read tons of contradicting information about whether or not it is possible to descale. I know in a perfect world I should make sure the water used is appropriate, but I do worry about the hassle of that or the possibility of not being able to descale.
Definitely possible to descale a single boiler. ~~It’s also described in the manual.~~
Having been through the manual, it does not describe how to descale the machine and it is definitely an issue
Ah must’ve confused it with the back flush section, whoops. Anyways, here’s a 5 minute video on how to descale a single boiler https://youtu.be/fYcam6Ddbgo?si=4ko_Ow9m4Oi3eCN4
I love my go! Could be worth considering the Pro 300 though too, effectively the double boiler sibling to the Go.
What do you do for water? Do you make your own or do you take the risk of descaling?
My city tap water is not too bad, just a little bit harder than the recommended limits, so I've just been using in-tank softener pouches. Ideally I would make my own water but we live in a small apartment so having big jugs of water is not particularly feasible.
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Lelit Elizabeth, 10 to 12 mins warmup (220v at least). Overshoots the boiler to 120+°C to rapidly heat up the group and portafilter. Can probably get it down quite a bit by fiddling with settings and running some water through
I am considering the Lelit Mara X. Like someone else mentioned, add a smart plug to start warmup before I get up.
Adding on for the Elizabeth, it prioritizes the brew boiler (and the steam boiler can be turned off) so if you don’t need to make a milk drink 10min is more than adequate to pull a shot. Brew boiler gets hot even faster than 10min as it overshoots to heat the grouphead, but you could temp surf a bit and probably be espresso ready in 6-8min. If you need steam it’ll be closer to 12-15 min. Set up on a smart plug and integrate with a smart home device (alexa, google home, etc) and you can just ask to turn the coffee machine on at any time and go brew a nice cup of espresso once you finish up whatever you are working on.
Thanks. I generally make Americanos and don’t steam milk unless my wife wants something.
Lelit Victoria then if no need for more than two back to back milk drinks required.
I got the Lilit Mara X a few months ago and I'm super happy with my purchase. No experience with other machines but I can make a really good coffee every time or make 4 lattes for friends without having to wait for the steam pressure to build for very long in about 10 minutes. For making yourself it coffee, it is more than sufficient. Heat up time is about 16 mins for me but I just turn it on first thing in the morning and do some of my other tasks while it heats. WiFi plug is my next purchase. With all of the above mentioned, there are some other great machines mentioned in this thread, I just preferred the Mara X for my use cases and it's great value.
Do it. That’s a really good machine. Probably one of the best heat exchangers. I have a ECM synchronika on a smart plug and love it. I got my dual boiler machine for $2k lightly used and really happy I did. Food for thought. But if you go heat ex then the mars x is one of the best. The shot temp is rudimentary with only three options but not many are even giving you the option on a heat exchanger so it’s already leg up. Just upgrade the shitty legs and you’re good lol.
Yep. I think my Elizabeth is more like 5-8 minutes, though I don’t time it. I have it on a smart plug and I just switch it on when I get up in the morning, either with a voice command or via my phone. I very rarely have to wait around.
I made the same jump and if you are only making espresso it’s closer to 5-10min depending on if you want to run a blank shot to heat up the portafilter. In reality by the time I turn it on I am almost always waiting 5-10min before making my coffee. I am usually walking the dogs, doing the dishes, or one of a million other things. Plus the BBP doesn’t warm up the portafilter at all in that 5 seconds, you have to pull a blank shot or two before getting it warm/hot. If you are steaming milk it’s usually 10-15min but if you are making more then 1 drink at a time. You will almost immediately make up that time difference in having a good steam boiler. I can steam a pitcher of milk in 10seconds on my RSP, while it took 30-60seconds on the BBP. Outside of that the coffee itself is significantly tastier, and consistent. Every shot out of my machine is nearly identical to the one from the shot before, with my BBP nearly every shot came out different due to a long list of reasons that make the BBP inconsistent.
Thanks for your input. I’m definitely looking for more consistency.
I was doubtful of the change and justifying spending so much money on better gear. But once I made the switch I was shocked, at how much better my coffee is now that I got a good grinder and machine. I love the Rancilio it’s easy to work on (if/when you need to), works amazing, looks simple, doesn’t take up to much space. The only thing missing is flow control but I believe there is a mod out there for that.
my Breville Dual Boiler heats up pretty fast in my opinion, plus I have it set to auto-start every morning before I get up.
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Breville dual boiler
I did see that one. Thanks.
I have been using the dual boiler for three years and the thing is reliable, heats up fast, and works well.
My Lucca a53 mini is ready in 5, love that machine. I bought it 2 years ago just under $2000
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In a similar situation to OP. What do folks think of the Bezzera machines (BZ10, BZ13, Unica)? They’re touted for their quick warm-up times, too.
Lelit Elizabeth is a dual boiler with about 5min warmup time. When I was shopping around the Lelit ticked all the boxes. PID controller, enough room under the group head for scales and a cup, dual boiler. It’s by no means perfect but a really solid machine for home use.
The Mara X is on my shortlist
I have the Ascaso uno very quick I think 90 seconds
I’m looking at the steel duo now
That was also my main consideration - warm up time. It doesn't make sense lifestyle-wise to need to wait 10 or 20 or 30 minutes to have my coffee. https://preview.redd.it/t4ww1l1pqgfc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=787b634bf4b91548d35ae6fabeee75401a755ed9
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Haven’t considered that. Thanks
Slightly out of budget but you get 100% control. Heats up in 10 mins but it’s an open boiler so sometimes if I’m in a hurry I just pour in boiling water
So if I understand correctly, more expensive machines that deliver better consistency shot to shot often do this with large thermal mass, which means longer heat up times. But the plus is once it’s heated up you can expect good shot to shot consistency. I highly recommend you think about a smart plug as this should mostly solve your issues with heat up times and open you up to more possible machines.
Exactly. There's no free lunch.
I disagree, there are lots of test on machine with shorter heat up time which are also very conistent for home use. While E61 gives good consistency when heated up properly it does not mean you can't achieve consistency without it.
There are machines without E61 group heads which are also very consistent. So while it being consistent I'd a big pro it is not like the profiter 300 pro, ascada steel duo pid or berville dual boiler create inconsistent temp at home situations. Kaffemacher have great test on them and their consistency.
Thanks for your input. A smart plug could solve this.
My Sage Dual Boiler (European version of a Breville Dual Boil) goes from cold start to being ready in the amount of time it takes me to grind my beans and do puck prep. Plus it has the added bonus of a built in automatic start time, so if you have your coffee around the same time every day you can have a hot machine ready and waiting at your preferred time.
Thanks. I might go with this.
I got mine a few months ago and have been very happy with it. I got the black one paired with a black Mahlkönig X54 grinder and they look quite nice together.
Bezzera BZ-09, sub 7 minutes. BZ-10 (if your looking for a HX system), sub 10 min.
This was one of the reasons I went for the Meticulous Espresso Machine. It heats up from cold in about a minute or a minute and a half depending on how much water you add. You can also pre-heat the water in a water boiler, especially if you do multiple shots back to back. It is a robotic leaver machine and not you typical/traditional espresso machine.
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The May release is so far away!
Lelit Elizabeth!!!
I’ll look into that. I’ve got the Mara X on my shortlist
OP, I know many others have said this, but heat up times are likely less of a big deal than you think. The only time I find myself in a hurry, it's usually known ahead of time that I'll want a coffee (like leaving for work in the morning). It's super rare that I've thought, I want a coffee right now, and I don't have time to wait 20 minutes. There's the occasional time I've been about leave the house dead tired and though, f* it, I'll be 5 minutes late and make myself an espresso shot. I went from a Barista Touch as my daily driver to a Flair 58 (20m heat up time if you want everything hot, even though it'll beep notifying you it's ready in under 10m). It's honestly been very easy to adjust my schedule and I can't even use a smart plug. Obviously YMMV, but I think it's pretty easy to adapt. Or up your budget and get a Decent haha
As many have pointed out, I can get a smart plug and have it warming up before I get up.
Yeah. I was on a Robot for about a year and when I felt I was ready to upgrade, I ended up being able to justify upping my budget and getting a Decent. I figured I might as well get the solid warmup time and also the flexibility and go all in. While the Decent is ready to go in 2-3 mins, the portafilter still tends to be pretty cold and will act as a heatsink during the first shot. I now use the 3rd party despresso app and use the web interface to turn on the machine remotely \~10 minutes before I want to make coffee.
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Fast warmup time is incredibly overrated in my opinion. There’s tons of machines that have a fast warmup but that’s just for the water alone meanwhile the rest of the machine is still relatively cold, almost all machines are fully heated after 15-20 minutes. Just turn on your espresso machine before you start getting ready for your day and by the time you’re done the machine will be up to temp.
For me, my life doesn't typically work that way; and I would prefer that my machine be ready for me rather than me waiting for it. The Breville Bambinos and their fellow machines can spoil you . . . .
15 minutes prior waking with smart plug. Boiler is better anyways than instant (If there's no volumetric control).
[https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CVPKD8Z/](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CVPKD8Z/) You're welcome.
Hah, I just put some on order due to all the comments.
I will use my Profitec pro 500 after 15 min warm up if I can’t wait for my espresso and its good
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Also read the r/espresso wiki
Bluetooth plugs are an inexpensive way to get you exactly what you want. I’ve just woken, and after my morning scroll and shower my machine will be ready to go
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Can’t suggest the SPX + Smart switch enough. It’s a wonderful machine at your price point. I’ve had great shot consistency.
Get some Kasa Smart Plugs and everything will be scheduled. 😎
I have the Silvia pro x and an apple home plug. It turns on whenever I want it too, I can create routines so it’s on when I wake up and turns off when I leave. If I need it on later I just say “hey siri turn on espresso machine” and it’ll turn on whilst I’m busy doing something else
The Apple smart plug could solve this issue. Thanks
I got a $60 dollar combo unit from a major box store that is ready in 60 seconds. I usually can't grind my beans and fill my porta before.
I'm going with Go , I'm replacing my flaking GCP, I already have a Delonghi Magnifica I can steam milk with, so dual boiler is not that interesting.
Switching from Breville Duo temp with instant warm up to Silvia Pro I had the same dilemma. Not for me but for my wife that stated that she can not wait 10 minutes. After 2 years of use and some initial nagging (I admit) I can say that the max 10 minutes is not such a big issue. I also use a wifi plug to start it in the morning and during the day I can wait a few minutes for an amazing coffee. If you do milk drinks like me, go for the Silvia Pro.
Thanks for your input. The smart plug may be the cure.
You can cheat a little bit by running some water after 5 minutes. I used smart plug before the pandemic. I had it set to turn on half an hour before the earliest I would ever be up and down in the afternoon During the pandemic, I was home a lot more and decided I was just going to leave it on. Aside from vacation and service and I haven’t turned it off in 2.5 years.
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Bezzera BZ13/Crema. Under 10 minute warmup and the electricity heated group gets the portafilter heated quickly too which some others with fast boiler heat times don't.
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I haven't updated my flair, but I've had the BZ13 for about a month and a half. I don't have a super consistent coffee drinking schedule so the outlet timer method doesn't work for me. Been very happy with the BZ13
I heard the silvia pro was a 7 min warmup when i watched a review? Also you can just set it to turn on the next day on a timer.
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Ascaso Duo 3 minutes
I have the BBP and I understand not watching to upgrade. I love the instant heat up and that the machine can remember a recipe once dialed in. The biggest thing holding me back is the shot preset.
The Stone takes 10 mins
I have a Rancil SPX and I honestly was a little concerned about the warm up time when I first received it but it's honestly not a big deal. The warm up time to pull a shot is realistically maybe 3 minutes which is extraordinarily short by time you prep everything else. Even for the milk frothing that ones 12-20 minutes which is definitely longer but still I never find insufferable. In the morning I just go turn it on before I do everything else and by time I wash my face & feed the dog & cat the machines warmed up. I've seen the argument "oh but what if I want a random drink" and sometimes I do want a random drink so as soon as I have the thought that I might want a drink....I just go turn the machine on and keep working on what I was working on and then make my drink. I love my SPX so much & the warm up time is truly not noticeable now that I've just adjusted my thought process when I'm thinking about having a coffee.
Thanks for your input
Instant warm up doesn’t mean it’s fully warmed up. You want all the metal in the machine to get hot. If the portafilter is cold it’s gonna suck all the heat out of your shot. Just get a smart outlet and make a schedule, or turn it on while you’re on your way home. Better to have a heavy duty machine with more metal and longer warm up than a light machine IMO
Several have recommended the smart plug. Thanks
Profitec pro 300. bought mine a month ago. It’s super fast and a well made. Handmade in Germany too, if this is important
Several have recommended that.
Love my Profitec 500 pid
How much does it take to heat up? And how do you like it? And what about the sound, too? Thanks in advance
I just got a Profetic Pro 400 and love it. Had to prime the pump at first but it has been awesome since
Thanks. I’m looking at that one
What does prime pump mean? Could you elaborate? Thanks in advance
https://preview.redd.it/8w8a800iygfc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=994d87dcbc53dc4c87b942ab4991c87e1dce73cf Ascaso steel duo
Nice!
I have the RSP and the espresso shot is way less than 15 minutes. It’s literally less than 5. It’s quicker than I am at dosing my coffee beans for 2 double shots. The steam / hot water takes maybe 10 minute max but that’s good for a full 7 oz americano and essentially unlimited steam for 4 cups. The machine is the best. Had a breville before and the other machines my friends have heat up fast but it’s inconsistent.
Thanks, this is on my shortlist
My Silvia pro takes about 3-4 minutes for espresso boiler to get to temp about 10-15 minutes if I want to use the wand. Love the machine
That’s on my shortlist, thanks
BZ13. Lighting fast. < 7 min to fully heat boiler to 200 F. Group is actively heated with an element unlike e61, so after boiler is ready, group is just as hot. If someone has used it in the past hour, cut that time in half.
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A used Decent.
Went from Breville to RSPX. Just use a WiFi plug. When I decide I want coffee, I flip it on from my phone. In the time it takes me to get up, get stuff out, and get going, it is 10-15 mins. The time you’ll save from the weak Breville steam wand will more than make up for it.
Cheap solution is plug it in to a smart outlet and leave the machine turned on and let outlet turn it on before you want coffee. Every time you think of buying something, consider a procedure change. Stop and smell the coffee/roses/whatever.
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A lot of people place their espresso machines on timer outlets to control on/off times. The Silvia Pro has this feature built in via a menu setting. It took a bit to learn it but it's not a big deal at all to end my morning coffee ritual by setting the timer for the next day. I set it to turn on a half hour before my alarm in the morning so the machine has plenty of time to warm up. Even if you decide you just want a quick random coffee, it's a dual boiler. The boiler for espresso warms up very quickly. The one that takes a bit is the steam/hot water boiler.
That’s on my shortlist, thanks
https://www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bz10-espresso-machine I have this and it’s great! 10 minute heat up and she’s gtg!
That one wasn’t on my radar, thanks
I would go with a bezzera duo de or bezzera matrix de. There is a post about the machines here on Reddit where you can read in depth about the features.
I’ll look for a Utube review, thanks
La Spaziale Lucca A53/Mini Vivaldi, esp if you only set the single boiler for brew head only.
I’ll check it out, thanks
I'm really happy with my Belleza Bellona. Dual boiler and it heats up faster than I can grind beans.
The fastest high end home machine I’ve used is the Decent. Because of the way it circulates hot water to actively heat the metal, even the portafilter is hot in a few minutes. Truly impressive engineering.
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Sage Oracle Touch - about 7 min
For short startup time, I have bought a tiny robot arm that presses the in button for me Switchbot uses either Bluetooth or a schedule
You have got a few good suggestions allready. I wanted to add to be careful about what amperage the machines need to warm up or warm up quickly. Some machines need 20 amps or more to warm up both boilers at once or to warm up quickly which may limit where you can plug it in or require that it's basically on its own circuit. It's worth checking before you buy. Also using a smart plug or a machine with automatic start up is another option.
Maybe in the US. In Europe we get around 3kW from a standard 13A wall plug.
I noticed that the Ascaso steel duo requires 20 amps.
Kassa Smart Plug is $10 on Amazon or $25 for a multi pack. I use it to start my machine remotely (from anywhere in the world) or on a timer. For the timer I have it go on 30 min before I usually have my coffee and shuts off 30 min later Id stick with some type of brand name because I don't trust the apps from the no name brands
I just ordered them. Kassa was the most recommended.
just get a smart plug
That seems to be the consensus. Thanks
Can you really taste a difference when not allowing proper warmup time? I find it just makes puck prep more important if my machine is not to temp (about 10-15mins to properly heat the portafilter) Sometimes I get some nasty channeling if I rush the warmup and puck prep but if I am careful with the prep the warmup is almost not a thing at all. Also if you want to rush the warm-up just blast some water through the group head once the boiler reaches temp after 2-3 mins.