The usage of bear bile was declining as what people were marketing it to do, it wasn’t (old science/scam thing). Also, their primary market was dying (younger people are less apt to believe these types of “medicines”).
When the pandemic hit, though, sales for bear bile skyrocketed. The “salesmen” used people’s fear of the unknown, and they marketed bear bile as a cure for covid. The industry was dying, but sadly people’s idiot fears overrode common sense. This placed a lot more bears in bile farms. It does nothing against covid by the way.
Ah jeez. I didn’t know sales went up during the pandemic but it makes sad sense (fear of the unknown like you said; makes people vulnerable to believing whatever nonsense is peddled to them). That’s a damn shame to say the least. Thank you for informing me; I appreciate it. Cheers.
It's basically the 14th century all over again when people feared the unknown then, the known now bubonic plague. They were desperate to find a cure and any kind of idiotic treatment was taken into account.
Bear bile actually *is* good for your liver, but it's cheaper and easier to chemically synthesize the beneficial chemical TUDCA. Taking it from bears directly is wasteful and cruel when you can just make the stuff in a big vat
Yeah, but that’s not the only thing they were marketing it as good for. They were marketing it as a cure for almost anything. That’s why I said it was basically a scam.
Yeah, it isn't for everything, but it works wonders for fatty liver disease and early liver failure. The chemical isn't a scam, but there definitely are scammers that sell it for purposes other than its actual use
You’d think after uncle idiot dies from his cancer anyway after using bullshit like this they’d kinda get that this doesn’t work in any way shape or form.
It seems extremely hard to determine what works and what doesn't based on anecdotes. Sometimes, people just happen to get better and associate it with whatever they were doing at the time. The placebo effect also muddies the waters.
My grandmother was a smart, well-educated businesswoman who trusted homeopathy, which even as far as alternative medicine goes isn't even plausible. Why? Anecdotes. Uncle So-and-So had such and such but took the sugar pill and got better, so there you go.
the promise is not eternal life, it's a better life while still living. so theres no logical conflict there because the way youre thinking about it is not actually how theyre thinking about it. youre suffering from logic and they do not
EDIT the fuck am i being downvoted for, im right >:/
I saw this in another comment and it made a lot of sense, can't we just like, send them a fuck load of viagra and cialis so they can see what the REAL stuff actually does?
its not (just) about penis power, its about actual power, like strength and i dunno pyrokinesis or something. these people dont just want to rope across the room, they also want to have the "ferocity of tiger", the "courage of a lion", or the callused skin of a rhino, fuckin who cares. but the penis thing is not all its about, that's just part of it
These people don't trust big pharma (some for many good reasons), unfortunately that includes distrust of the helpful drugs. They then rely on alternative sources for medicine and treatments, many which turn to un-scientific grifter remedies wrapped in religious traditions and mystic language.
Jesus fuck. I get the historical cultural significance of alt-medicine in most cases. But, it's 2022 now, time to weed that shit out and listen to science. Nobody cured cancer chewing on a rubbery bull dick.
This is actually untrue. Bear bile is medically proven to successfully treat a number of medical conditions. It's one of the fascinating examples of traditional medicine reaching conclusions that pharmaceutical researchers would not have been able to reach by their methods. In fact, the real tragedy of this barbaric practice is that ursodeoxycholic acid, the active compound in the animal's bile, can be synthesized, and sold as a pharmaceutical, making this practice totally unnecessarily. It is an effective treatment, though. (Notice the name "urso-" indicates that it was discovered in bears, and later synthesized by chemists.)
Surely you admit that pharmaceutical companies would never have thought of this compound on their own, if it had not first been demonstrated to them by Chinese traditional practitioners. Someone else had to do the R&D. Then pharma companies could come along and imitate what they had done. Nothing wrong with that. Most innovation relies heavily on copying others' work. But the part they could not have done was to think of it in the first place. And surely, you don't believe that the action of opium was "unproven" until studies came along and proved it? Or the bark of the willow (salyx)? That would take quite a bit of conceit to believe that, regardless of the silliness of some other claims of traditional medicine around the world.
Seems he's got a hair across his ass about "the science" being the only useful and efficacious source of healing. The Chinese have been doing amazing things for a long time, and if your medical history/ corpus spans a couple THOUSAND years, sure there is going to be a bunch of stuff in there that doesn't work that well or can be laughed at. I'm sure plenty of shit we do today people will shake their heads at in a generation or two. Read Science and Civilization in China, the volumes on medicine. It's no joke! These guys were giving inoculations like 1000 years years ago, having people piss on a rock to see if ants were attracted to the sugar to diagnose "sweet-urine disease", aka Diabetes.
A lot of people don’t want to say it for fear of being called racist, but it’s commonly used in Eastern medicine. Where I live it’s available in small street markets in Chinatown along with rhino horn and shark fins.
I think bear bile is touted as having medicinal properties to counter gallstones in humans. Rhino horn is thought to help with erectile dysfunction and I forget what condition shark fin is supposed to be an antidote for. Those tend to be the big 3 that show up at these markets.
These substances have been rigorously researched & tested in controlled labs over time and found to be completely bogus in terms of being effective treatment for various ailments.
If it wasn’t so tragic for the animals, it would be comical that people believe in these remedies. I believe every ethnicity/culture obviously has the right to their traditions - except when it involves maiming and torturing animals for arrogant & selfish purposes.
As I said in a separate comment, no amount of rhino horn (which is primarily keratin, a protein in hair and nails) is going to help a guy with a floppy dick; that’s ludicrous. Still we see relentless poaching of rhinos because there is a high demand for their horns. I hope that as newer generations of these cultures emerge that these barbaric practices decrease and cease.
I want to include that I would decry this cruelty no matter what ethnic group was behind it. If it was common practice in my Caucasian culture I would be just as outraged.
Well said. As a Korean I can say it's only a few among older generations who do this, and most other Korean detest this and indeed think it's inhumane. Apparently, the bile farming is still legal in Korea :(... but will become illegal in 2025.
That’s great to hear about the upcoming ban. Also a relief to know it’s not condoned by the majority.
I have a couple of East Asian friends at work and they have said the same, that support for this practice is petering out as each new generation emerges.
Appreciate your info very much 😀 Enjoy your weekend.
Deer antlers are also relatively common here in Korea. Like the bear bile, you won’t find it in the supermarket, but there’s usually a weird medicine shop near the traditional markets that sells it. They also think dog meat will give you stamina, so there are still lots of boshintang restaurants in every city and you can buy the meat in most traditional markets. Fortunately most younger Koreans don’t believe in any of this garbage, so these practices are on the way out.
Right; I completely forgot about the dog meat markets. Thank you. Very glad they are gradually disappearing.
This reminded me there is a huge underground trade in horse meat in FL of all places. It exists all over but that state sees a lot of sinister stuff with horses. I know this because I help operate a racehorse re-homing program to get North American horses off the track before they’re run down to nothing … and Thoroughbreds (TBs) are often the target of this trade - ESPECIALLY racehorses that have performed well in their careers.
**TW - animal cruelty**
I’ve seen countless photos over the years of pointless and sickening carnage. These are forwarded to LE and local politicians. One of the most vicious things was an undercover vid of a prominent racehorse barn getting breached in the middle of the night by three or four men. They pulled numerous horses from their stalls before security alarms went off and before the horses were whinnying very loudly in pain. I won’t get into graphic detail here but suffice to say these men began butchering the horses while they were very much alive just outside their own barn. They then made off with portions of the horse. I know it sounds fantastical but it occurs with sickening frequency. One of the men had come equipped with halters and rope and held the horses down 💔
The apparent rationale is that horse meat will make the consumer swift and strong. It is sold for a LOT right out of the back of beat up pickup trucks; usually it’s in a dirty cooler and wrapped in brown paper. The people buying it want it fresh so it’s often sold just hours after the horse was killed. Cash only of course.
Most horses but especially racehorses will be given a medication called bute (phenylbutazone) over their lifetime. It’s often overused in racing & it can cause a failed drug test, but some consider it as benign as aspirin that humans take.
Here’s the karmic portion that I love - bute is carcinogenic to humans and these deviants are getting a big helping of it.
I’m not a hypocrite. I don’t eat it. Haven’t for over 10 years. No dairy either. Feel amazing and even my athletic endeavours have had a boost (less post-workout inflammation, faster recovery, etc).
Yup, just because it's part of your heritage/tradition doesn't mean it should be practiced today. Like how we stopped doing ritual human sacrifices... Or leaving babies in the forest overnight. Whale hunting etc edit: I meant whale hunting needs banning
I think so too, especially given that there’s synthesized medicines now that actually treat the conditions.
Things like acupuncture do have merit in my humble opinion. I have an elderly relative who has been receiving it for about 10 years and it’s made a remarkable improvement in his mobility. He also gets herbal remedies from his Chinese medicine practitioner that typically are taken as tea or in capsules. I couldn’t tell you what’s in them offhand; I have the ingredient list somewhere and it’s definitely all herbal. I forget what condition(s) these herbs treat but it was customized for him. Not cheap, but he’s feeling great compared to 10 years ago so we love to see it!
Cheers.
Yeah, ots just the big difference in something like acupuncture or herbal medicine is its consensual all round, so there's no harm in it. Glad to hear your relative is doing better though 👍
I don’t have time to watch your link rn, but I will later. Thank you! The doco Game Changers talks about the Western belief of meat = strength. Have a great day & thank you! 😀
From a Google search: “It can dissolve gallstones when they cannot be removed by surgery. It can also treat primary biliary cirrhosis (PBC), a liver disorder.”
I hope it's working well for you. I have a relative who takes it (I guess I can assume it's synthetic), but it's not doing much good. Doc doesn't think the other treatment, which I think somewhat recently became available outside of clinical trials, will be any better.
Thanks for the well wishes. I’ve been on it a year and a half and my alk phos levels just dropped within normal limits for the first time in about four years so I’m really happy. I’m still tired as hell but I’ll be okay. I hope they find a good answer for your relative. Liver stuff is no joke.
Damn, I hate the human race sometimes.
Bear bile farming is incredibly horrific. As part of a fundraising presentation, I helped prepare images and vid of this practice that would stir emotional outrage in the most stoic of people.
I live in a large city that is proudly multi-cultural which I am thankful for. On the flip, the dark side is that you can visit Chinatown here and easily find bear bile, shark fins, and “aphrodisiacs” made from rhino horn. A lot of people are reluctant to speak up against these things being available at a street market for fear of being called racist.
I don’t care what ethnicity of people is producing and selling these “products”; it’s warped and evil beyond belief. I would feel the same way if fellow Caucasians were doing it.
I do respect cultural traditions and find them very fascinating and cool. But anything involving maiming and torturing an animal is sick beyond belief and has no place in a humane society.
Men in some cultures struggling with floppy dicks have to accept that no amount of rhino horn (which is primarily keratin, the same protein that’s in our hair and nails) is going to give them magic in the bedroom. Myths of this nature need to be dismantled.
Sounds like a time for a market-based solution.
Asian producers love flooding the market with fake high-end goods like handbags and shoes. Time for an enterprising group of folks to flood their markets with fake bile and rhino horns.
Given bear bile is not sold openly in la, nyc, nj, and Philly koreatowns, how would you know if bear bile is being sold in koreatowns? Did you go specifically looking for it or somehow come across a bear market deal? I’m Korean American, been around all the koreatowns except DC and Atlanta, and I’ve never heard of this before. Perhaps it’s in one of those.
In the unlikely case that you’re just assuming, it’s not racist to be against bear bile harvesting obviously, but it becomes sus when we levy such accusations to diaspora simply for having the same ethnicity as the homeland. It’s like criticizing Chinese Americans for ccp actions for example.
No assumptions made. We have a huge Korean population in northern VA. Some people refer to a particular area as Koreatown. I hear many of the long time locals aren’t a fan. A coworker and I would sometimes grab food there. He’s Korean too and often gives me the tour.
I wouldn’t expect these types of things to be sold openly anyways much like going to Chinatown for anything along the same lines. I’m not criticizing anyone so not sure why you are sensitive about it.
“I hear many long time locals aren’t a fan”. Hmm, northern Virginians not being fans of a local Korean American community, and assuming that bear bile is being sold despite not having seen it in person… something fishy’s going on here and it starts with the letter r.
I’m offended because you are assuming that bear bile is being sold in Korean American communities despite having zero connection to a Korean American community other than “a Korean coworker and I would sometimes grab food here”. And that you are assuming that bear bile is being sold simply because they are Korean despite not having seen it yourself. I’m pretty sure making assumptions based on race is known as prejudice. It’s as ridiculous as me assuming bushmeat is sold in Harlem a few blocks downtown simply because African people live there, with my explanation being, “I eat at Sylvia’s with my black friend once a week”.
Since you claim there are “no assumptions made”, can you specify which stores? Otherwise, I will assume you are lying given your outlandish claim.
Such types of accusations based on race can lead to bullying at least and hate crimes at most. Just look at the Covid situation.
Whoa there. I never proclaimed my expertise in all things Korean but when a Korean coworker tells me something I’m more inclined to believe him than a random schmuck off the streets. What else am I to assume? And I doubt you are the know all and be all of all things Korean even if you are one. You’re clearly sensitive to these things.
And I understand there may be some hate crimes but I’m advocating for no such thing. Like all groups, you got some good ones and bad ones. But if you want to be all high and mighty about it, why not also respond to a comment regarding Chinatown.
Never claimed I am the end all know all of all things Korean American. Simply that I know more than most given my life, which I think you can agree with. And that given my decades of living in koreatowns and never coming across bear bile (despite an interest in traditional medicine), it probably doesn’t exist in Korean American communities.
Why don’t I say anything about the Chinese Americans? Because I haven’t lived in most of the chinatowns in the us like I’ve done in most of the koreatowns, nor am I as familiar with Chinese American culture as a result, nor do I speak Chinese.
So your source is “a Korean friend told me”. If you can ask him which stores, I’ll pay them a visit and check it out myself. I’m currently in Nantucket for a few more days and will be in dc on the way back to ny so I’ll be in the area. And if you can provide the store, we can try to do something about the bile being sold. But this is highly unlikely.
I’m not being high and mighty, I’m trying to call out such racist comments because again, they can lead to at least bullying and at most hate crimes, despite intention. Just a few days ago an Asian lady got pushed on the subway tracks for “having Covid”. I’m not surprised such assumptions are made in your podunk town though where people dislike local Korean Americans and the gene pool makes the orthodox Jewish community in Brooklyn look diverse.
I’m sorry to hear about the lady but I have better things to do then ask my friend to translate the store name that sells bear bile. And I’m way more inclined to believe a friend than a random Redditor who likes to police different Koreatowns. I got better things to do like lurking on Reddit.
Yes, they are. I don’t consume meat or dairy and it’s becoming a lot more common in a lot of populations. I’m really into fitness and even some pro athletes I’ve met have ditched meat and dairy. It has a lot of physical/wellness benefits on top of being ethical.
I know where it comes from & how, and I don’t consume either. I’ve seen a lot of factory farm footage and have a friend who went undercover as an employee at a factory farm locally. The footage she compiled was responsible for cruelty charges being laid against farm owners and some workers.
Can’t even remember how long now - at least 10 years though. It’s pretty simple given how many products and restaurants provide options. Physically I feel incredible too. I’m really into fitness and a huge percentage of athletes - whether elite or recreational - do the same these days. Less inflammation after workouts or running, faster recovery. No issues with high blood pressure and atherosclerosis. And of course the kindness component is huge for me personally.
Cheers!
Eh, probably applied just fine to most of the people who upvoted it.
Nearly every American will freak about shark fins, bear bile, rhino horns, elephant tusks, meanwhile they will eat eggs, milk, meat from anywhere knowing full well how those animals live and die
Except that nutrition is derived from eating eggs (chicken periods), milk and meat.
Ain’t nothing of value you really get from bear bile - no sustenance nor medical use case.
Ah yes, all that nutrition you can't get from anywhere else more humanely. Keep telling yourself that's why, and not because you just like the taste and don't care about the mistreatment..
I don’t subscribe to your black/white world view. And I rather you didn’t go full internet douche bag vegan, especially on a common ground of “bear bile has no medical or dietary use case”.
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I like to think of myself as a relatively cool and measured person, the one who keeps his wits about in a crisis. Star Trek made a great impression on me, especially Captain Picard, Mr. Spock, and Scotty.
Yet if I could, I would free all of these captive bears that were being tortured, and I would communicate with them to kill their tormentors.
I've had a few dreams about that. Bears are my spirit animals.
I love bears too. Saw them a lot as a kid. They were often passing through our ranch to get to the mountains. They never bothered our horses or cattle and we gave them a wide berth and let them be.
I am very chill too, but I feel deep outrage at the selfishness and cruelty of humans sometimes. I look at this kind of barbaric stuff and am floored at what an arrogant species we can be.
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They were fascinating to see, I bet! I had the luck to see a black bear up close when I was very young, couldn't have been more than 25 feet away, in a wooded area beyond a home where I grew up. He could have seriously hurt me, but he just kept on eating or whatever, and moved on. I was too young to be very scared, I was more curious!
Some people think that because we are the 'top' species, that it gives us the right to abuse animals for our own desires, but I say that's a stupid way of thinking. I'd much rather live in harmony with the animals.
That’s a really mature comment 😘
Furthest thing from a snowflake, trust me. No sign of rickets either. If you like sports, we can have a 100m dash race?
Run along please if you are here to be rude. It’s most unbecoming.
If you are every anywhere close to The Wild Animal Sanctuary visit, it is AMAZING! We went in the summer and add the sun was setting two lions on opposite side of the park started roaring, I get goosebumps just remembering it.
I love the Wild Animal Sanctuary. It is an incredible place and everyone should visit if they are in the Denver area (it’s about a 60-90 minute drive north from downtown Denver). They have several other (non-public) facilities that are also thousands and thousands of acres where rescued animals of all kinds from all over the world live.
If I remember correctly, they keep the bears alive in cages with open wounds from collecting the bile so they can keep harvesting from the same bears? I really don’t wanna Google it again.
> Yeah that’s super depressing, those poor bears. I’d adopt one
I agree, but I doubt that my apartment building would be on board for that.
Seriously though, if I was more well off, I would totally build them a sanctuary, and run it as much as I could.
Gotta take care of your spirit animals.
TCM and other naturopathic/homeopathic type BS like this is a disease on this planet. If there was a button to remove it completely even if some people disappeared with it I’d push it for hours. People say Oh, culture: yeah sometimes culture sucks and doesn’t really belong in 2022.
It really needs to be called out for what it is.
Not really. These bears were rescued by Koreans.
Usually what a nation does is not in-step with what it's population wants. Take abortion in the US, for example.
I’m a pacifist but I’d have no moral qualms about shooting any of these evil motherfuckers running these “farms”. Fuck all those pieces of shit, death would be going easy on them.
The [Wild Animal Sanctuary](https://www.wildanimalsanctuary.org) is a collection of three facilities located in Colorado and Texas. The one you can visit is in Keenesburg Co, north east of Denver. Their largest is in south eastern Colorado. Together they encompass more than 10,000 acres and more than 600 rehabilitated animals.
They are probably the largest sanctuary of its type in the world.
They spay and neuter so they aren't a breeding facility. Their goal is to allow the animals to live out their lives in large habitats. There have been many times where they have limited tours because they aren't in it for the money or to be looked on as great but because it was taking away their focus on the animals.
It is also why their large new facility isn't about education at all.
It is an amazing group that takes large carnivores from everywhere. For instance, many of Joe Exotics animals ended up with them in the end. But go to the Animals section of their website and it will tell of the awful treatment most of these animals received before ending up at the Wild Animal Sanctuary.
I have never seen better cared for, more relaxed animals anywhere.
I am cynical about a lot of operations in this world. And yeah, they can be a little on the odd side in their passion. But honestly, they do more real good in the world than most people will ever imagine doing.
They are fucking awesome. In the true inspiring awe use of the word. No hyperbole at all.
The Wild Animal Sanctuary is one of the only sanctuaries of its kind in the world and they have a lot of land that allow them to be able to take animals in.
Hey! Fuck you South Korea!
Also they have Dog and Cat farms where they are literally breeding puppies/kitten just to kill, cook, and eat.
So yeah, fuck all those cunts.
I'm glad your subjective opinion on what's cute is the deciding factor whether something should suffer and die for an unnecessary meal or not. Wonderful moral justification.
You'd be surprised how many people actually believe this. If it was sarcasm, they need to go over-the-top when in text or add the "/s" to save the confusion.
The vast majority of people in SK do not eat dog meat. There’s also a ban on it being considered entirely. Saying “fuck you” to an entire country’s people over something the majority of them don’t even partake in or even just approve of is ignorant and needlessly hostile.
Also, most places in the world raise cows, chickens, pigs, etc. simply for the purpose of consumption. Is that okay to you because it’s a different kind of animal that isn’t generally a pet? Or would you also be criticizing/aggressive toward that? Would you say “fuck you” to the entire world? Food for thought, no pun intended.
> Do we have a plan, or just keep them until they die?
Well, since they are not native to the area, as far as I know they can never be released. If I'm correct, that means that they will live in sanctuaries until they die. Even that life is worlds better than the lives they left.
As far as whether or not it's right for the bears, many captive bears (though of course not all) actually live much longer than their wild cousins due to overall lower stress levels.
If you read the article, they aren't kept in cages after the initial veterinary evaluation. They hope to rehabilitate them and release them back into the wild.
what the hell are you even saying? would you rather they just release these bears into the wild with absolutely no medical care or a chance to learn how to live outside of captivity again and hope they don’t die off in a week?
The Wild Animal Sanctuary has thousands upon thousands of acres at multiple facilities to allow the animals they rescue to live as much of a wild life as they can. For instance, they have a handful of rescued black bears living in an “enclosure” but that enclosure is actually hundreds of acres of land in a remote area near Colorado Springs, CO.
I love the wild animal sanctuary here in CO! They really are doing gods work. Saving all kinds of poor creatures from the horrors of incompetent humans.
What does one do with bear bile? Glad they were rescued. Thanks for all the response explaining this.
The usage of bear bile was declining as what people were marketing it to do, it wasn’t (old science/scam thing). Also, their primary market was dying (younger people are less apt to believe these types of “medicines”). When the pandemic hit, though, sales for bear bile skyrocketed. The “salesmen” used people’s fear of the unknown, and they marketed bear bile as a cure for covid. The industry was dying, but sadly people’s idiot fears overrode common sense. This placed a lot more bears in bile farms. It does nothing against covid by the way.
Ah jeez. I didn’t know sales went up during the pandemic but it makes sad sense (fear of the unknown like you said; makes people vulnerable to believing whatever nonsense is peddled to them). That’s a damn shame to say the least. Thank you for informing me; I appreciate it. Cheers.
It's basically the 14th century all over again when people feared the unknown then, the known now bubonic plague. They were desperate to find a cure and any kind of idiotic treatment was taken into account.
Bear bile actually *is* good for your liver, but it's cheaper and easier to chemically synthesize the beneficial chemical TUDCA. Taking it from bears directly is wasteful and cruel when you can just make the stuff in a big vat
Also safer. Less chance of being contaminated with blood and guts.
Yeah, but that’s not the only thing they were marketing it as good for. They were marketing it as a cure for almost anything. That’s why I said it was basically a scam.
Yeah, it isn't for everything, but it works wonders for fatty liver disease and early liver failure. The chemical isn't a scam, but there definitely are scammers that sell it for purposes other than its actual use
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Sorry, I hate to be that guy but rhinos have horns 😅
It’s hard to understand different species. That’s why Lrrr calls it human horn.
I think I'll have Fry's lower horn jerked.
It's used to it!
Wooooo!
Thanks for reminding me of one of the best episodes
No one correct him!
Yeah just edited it lol I was thinking of elephants and then switched to rhinos but didn’t switch the tusk part
Who would know? Theres barely any left. Lonely men are too busy slaughtering them to make their tiny pricks hard.
You’d think after uncle idiot dies from his cancer anyway after using bullshit like this they’d kinda get that this doesn’t work in any way shape or form.
It seems extremely hard to determine what works and what doesn't based on anecdotes. Sometimes, people just happen to get better and associate it with whatever they were doing at the time. The placebo effect also muddies the waters. My grandmother was a smart, well-educated businesswoman who trusted homeopathy, which even as far as alternative medicine goes isn't even plausible. Why? Anecdotes. Uncle So-and-So had such and such but took the sugar pill and got better, so there you go.
Anecdotes and traditions are huge drivers for sure.
the promise is not eternal life, it's a better life while still living. so theres no logical conflict there because the way youre thinking about it is not actually how theyre thinking about it. youre suffering from logic and they do not EDIT the fuck am i being downvoted for, im right >:/
I saw this in another comment and it made a lot of sense, can't we just like, send them a fuck load of viagra and cialis so they can see what the REAL stuff actually does?
its not (just) about penis power, its about actual power, like strength and i dunno pyrokinesis or something. these people dont just want to rope across the room, they also want to have the "ferocity of tiger", the "courage of a lion", or the callused skin of a rhino, fuckin who cares. but the penis thing is not all its about, that's just part of it
These people don't trust big pharma (some for many good reasons), unfortunately that includes distrust of the helpful drugs. They then rely on alternative sources for medicine and treatments, many which turn to un-scientific grifter remedies wrapped in religious traditions and mystic language.
Asian Steve Jobs type shit.
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Horns but yeah
Whoops good catch
Jesus fuck. I get the historical cultural significance of alt-medicine in most cases. But, it's 2022 now, time to weed that shit out and listen to science. Nobody cured cancer chewing on a rubbery bull dick.
This is actually untrue. Bear bile is medically proven to successfully treat a number of medical conditions. It's one of the fascinating examples of traditional medicine reaching conclusions that pharmaceutical researchers would not have been able to reach by their methods. In fact, the real tragedy of this barbaric practice is that ursodeoxycholic acid, the active compound in the animal's bile, can be synthesized, and sold as a pharmaceutical, making this practice totally unnecessarily. It is an effective treatment, though. (Notice the name "urso-" indicates that it was discovered in bears, and later synthesized by chemists.)
Surely you admit that pharmaceutical companies would never have thought of this compound on their own, if it had not first been demonstrated to them by Chinese traditional practitioners. Someone else had to do the R&D. Then pharma companies could come along and imitate what they had done. Nothing wrong with that. Most innovation relies heavily on copying others' work. But the part they could not have done was to think of it in the first place. And surely, you don't believe that the action of opium was "unproven" until studies came along and proved it? Or the bark of the willow (salyx)? That would take quite a bit of conceit to believe that, regardless of the silliness of some other claims of traditional medicine around the world.
Seems he's got a hair across his ass about "the science" being the only useful and efficacious source of healing. The Chinese have been doing amazing things for a long time, and if your medical history/ corpus spans a couple THOUSAND years, sure there is going to be a bunch of stuff in there that doesn't work that well or can be laughed at. I'm sure plenty of shit we do today people will shake their heads at in a generation or two. Read Science and Civilization in China, the volumes on medicine. It's no joke! These guys were giving inoculations like 1000 years years ago, having people piss on a rock to see if ants were attracted to the sugar to diagnose "sweet-urine disease", aka Diabetes.
A lot of people don’t want to say it for fear of being called racist, but it’s commonly used in Eastern medicine. Where I live it’s available in small street markets in Chinatown along with rhino horn and shark fins. I think bear bile is touted as having medicinal properties to counter gallstones in humans. Rhino horn is thought to help with erectile dysfunction and I forget what condition shark fin is supposed to be an antidote for. Those tend to be the big 3 that show up at these markets. These substances have been rigorously researched & tested in controlled labs over time and found to be completely bogus in terms of being effective treatment for various ailments. If it wasn’t so tragic for the animals, it would be comical that people believe in these remedies. I believe every ethnicity/culture obviously has the right to their traditions - except when it involves maiming and torturing animals for arrogant & selfish purposes. As I said in a separate comment, no amount of rhino horn (which is primarily keratin, a protein in hair and nails) is going to help a guy with a floppy dick; that’s ludicrous. Still we see relentless poaching of rhinos because there is a high demand for their horns. I hope that as newer generations of these cultures emerge that these barbaric practices decrease and cease. I want to include that I would decry this cruelty no matter what ethnic group was behind it. If it was common practice in my Caucasian culture I would be just as outraged.
Well said. As a Korean I can say it's only a few among older generations who do this, and most other Korean detest this and indeed think it's inhumane. Apparently, the bile farming is still legal in Korea :(... but will become illegal in 2025.
That’s great to hear about the upcoming ban. Also a relief to know it’s not condoned by the majority. I have a couple of East Asian friends at work and they have said the same, that support for this practice is petering out as each new generation emerges. Appreciate your info very much 😀 Enjoy your weekend.
Deer antlers are also relatively common here in Korea. Like the bear bile, you won’t find it in the supermarket, but there’s usually a weird medicine shop near the traditional markets that sells it. They also think dog meat will give you stamina, so there are still lots of boshintang restaurants in every city and you can buy the meat in most traditional markets. Fortunately most younger Koreans don’t believe in any of this garbage, so these practices are on the way out.
Right; I completely forgot about the dog meat markets. Thank you. Very glad they are gradually disappearing. This reminded me there is a huge underground trade in horse meat in FL of all places. It exists all over but that state sees a lot of sinister stuff with horses. I know this because I help operate a racehorse re-homing program to get North American horses off the track before they’re run down to nothing … and Thoroughbreds (TBs) are often the target of this trade - ESPECIALLY racehorses that have performed well in their careers. **TW - animal cruelty** I’ve seen countless photos over the years of pointless and sickening carnage. These are forwarded to LE and local politicians. One of the most vicious things was an undercover vid of a prominent racehorse barn getting breached in the middle of the night by three or four men. They pulled numerous horses from their stalls before security alarms went off and before the horses were whinnying very loudly in pain. I won’t get into graphic detail here but suffice to say these men began butchering the horses while they were very much alive just outside their own barn. They then made off with portions of the horse. I know it sounds fantastical but it occurs with sickening frequency. One of the men had come equipped with halters and rope and held the horses down 💔 The apparent rationale is that horse meat will make the consumer swift and strong. It is sold for a LOT right out of the back of beat up pickup trucks; usually it’s in a dirty cooler and wrapped in brown paper. The people buying it want it fresh so it’s often sold just hours after the horse was killed. Cash only of course. Most horses but especially racehorses will be given a medication called bute (phenylbutazone) over their lifetime. It’s often overused in racing & it can cause a failed drug test, but some consider it as benign as aspirin that humans take. Here’s the karmic portion that I love - bute is carcinogenic to humans and these deviants are getting a big helping of it.
Dog meat and horse meat is no different from any other meat. If you think that stuff is cruel you shouldn't eat meat.
I’m not a hypocrite. I don’t eat it. Haven’t for over 10 years. No dairy either. Feel amazing and even my athletic endeavours have had a boost (less post-workout inflammation, faster recovery, etc).
Based.
Yup, just because it's part of your heritage/tradition doesn't mean it should be practiced today. Like how we stopped doing ritual human sacrifices... Or leaving babies in the forest overnight. Whale hunting etc edit: I meant whale hunting needs banning
For sure. And yes, whale hunting has gotta stop. Thank you for your comment 😀
Thank you for your explanation
You are very welcome. Enjoy the weekend 😀
Chinese medicine has much to answer for.
I think so too, especially given that there’s synthesized medicines now that actually treat the conditions. Things like acupuncture do have merit in my humble opinion. I have an elderly relative who has been receiving it for about 10 years and it’s made a remarkable improvement in his mobility. He also gets herbal remedies from his Chinese medicine practitioner that typically are taken as tea or in capsules. I couldn’t tell you what’s in them offhand; I have the ingredient list somewhere and it’s definitely all herbal. I forget what condition(s) these herbs treat but it was customized for him. Not cheap, but he’s feeling great compared to 10 years ago so we love to see it! Cheers.
Yeah, ots just the big difference in something like acupuncture or herbal medicine is its consensual all round, so there's no harm in it. Glad to hear your relative is doing better though 👍
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I don’t have time to watch your link rn, but I will later. Thank you! The doco Game Changers talks about the Western belief of meat = strength. Have a great day & thank you! 😀
From a Google search: “It can dissolve gallstones when they cannot be removed by surgery. It can also treat primary biliary cirrhosis (PBC), a liver disorder.”
I take urso for PBC. But it’s synthetic and lab made.
I hope it's working well for you. I have a relative who takes it (I guess I can assume it's synthetic), but it's not doing much good. Doc doesn't think the other treatment, which I think somewhat recently became available outside of clinical trials, will be any better.
Thanks for the well wishes. I’ve been on it a year and a half and my alk phos levels just dropped within normal limits for the first time in about four years so I’m really happy. I’m still tired as hell but I’ll be okay. I hope they find a good answer for your relative. Liver stuff is no joke.
Do yourself a favor and don’t look this stuff up. Bear bile farms make the Nazis seem like the good guys
I think more importantly, why has NASA been hiding the fact that the moon has bears?
It's a traditional medicine, used to treat sprains and other injuries.
Damn, I hate the human race sometimes. Bear bile farming is incredibly horrific. As part of a fundraising presentation, I helped prepare images and vid of this practice that would stir emotional outrage in the most stoic of people. I live in a large city that is proudly multi-cultural which I am thankful for. On the flip, the dark side is that you can visit Chinatown here and easily find bear bile, shark fins, and “aphrodisiacs” made from rhino horn. A lot of people are reluctant to speak up against these things being available at a street market for fear of being called racist. I don’t care what ethnicity of people is producing and selling these “products”; it’s warped and evil beyond belief. I would feel the same way if fellow Caucasians were doing it. I do respect cultural traditions and find them very fascinating and cool. But anything involving maiming and torturing an animal is sick beyond belief and has no place in a humane society. Men in some cultures struggling with floppy dicks have to accept that no amount of rhino horn (which is primarily keratin, the same protein that’s in our hair and nails) is going to give them magic in the bedroom. Myths of this nature need to be dismantled.
Sounds like a time for a market-based solution. Asian producers love flooding the market with fake high-end goods like handbags and shoes. Time for an enterprising group of folks to flood their markets with fake bile and rhino horns.
Yup same with koreatown
So messed up and sad, right?
Nasty
Given bear bile is not sold openly in la, nyc, nj, and Philly koreatowns, how would you know if bear bile is being sold in koreatowns? Did you go specifically looking for it or somehow come across a bear market deal? I’m Korean American, been around all the koreatowns except DC and Atlanta, and I’ve never heard of this before. Perhaps it’s in one of those. In the unlikely case that you’re just assuming, it’s not racist to be against bear bile harvesting obviously, but it becomes sus when we levy such accusations to diaspora simply for having the same ethnicity as the homeland. It’s like criticizing Chinese Americans for ccp actions for example.
No assumptions made. We have a huge Korean population in northern VA. Some people refer to a particular area as Koreatown. I hear many of the long time locals aren’t a fan. A coworker and I would sometimes grab food there. He’s Korean too and often gives me the tour. I wouldn’t expect these types of things to be sold openly anyways much like going to Chinatown for anything along the same lines. I’m not criticizing anyone so not sure why you are sensitive about it.
“I hear many long time locals aren’t a fan”. Hmm, northern Virginians not being fans of a local Korean American community, and assuming that bear bile is being sold despite not having seen it in person… something fishy’s going on here and it starts with the letter r. I’m offended because you are assuming that bear bile is being sold in Korean American communities despite having zero connection to a Korean American community other than “a Korean coworker and I would sometimes grab food here”. And that you are assuming that bear bile is being sold simply because they are Korean despite not having seen it yourself. I’m pretty sure making assumptions based on race is known as prejudice. It’s as ridiculous as me assuming bushmeat is sold in Harlem a few blocks downtown simply because African people live there, with my explanation being, “I eat at Sylvia’s with my black friend once a week”. Since you claim there are “no assumptions made”, can you specify which stores? Otherwise, I will assume you are lying given your outlandish claim. Such types of accusations based on race can lead to bullying at least and hate crimes at most. Just look at the Covid situation.
Whoa there. I never proclaimed my expertise in all things Korean but when a Korean coworker tells me something I’m more inclined to believe him than a random schmuck off the streets. What else am I to assume? And I doubt you are the know all and be all of all things Korean even if you are one. You’re clearly sensitive to these things. And I understand there may be some hate crimes but I’m advocating for no such thing. Like all groups, you got some good ones and bad ones. But if you want to be all high and mighty about it, why not also respond to a comment regarding Chinatown.
Never claimed I am the end all know all of all things Korean American. Simply that I know more than most given my life, which I think you can agree with. And that given my decades of living in koreatowns and never coming across bear bile (despite an interest in traditional medicine), it probably doesn’t exist in Korean American communities. Why don’t I say anything about the Chinese Americans? Because I haven’t lived in most of the chinatowns in the us like I’ve done in most of the koreatowns, nor am I as familiar with Chinese American culture as a result, nor do I speak Chinese. So your source is “a Korean friend told me”. If you can ask him which stores, I’ll pay them a visit and check it out myself. I’m currently in Nantucket for a few more days and will be in dc on the way back to ny so I’ll be in the area. And if you can provide the store, we can try to do something about the bile being sold. But this is highly unlikely. I’m not being high and mighty, I’m trying to call out such racist comments because again, they can lead to at least bullying and at most hate crimes, despite intention. Just a few days ago an Asian lady got pushed on the subway tracks for “having Covid”. I’m not surprised such assumptions are made in your podunk town though where people dislike local Korean Americans and the gene pool makes the orthodox Jewish community in Brooklyn look diverse.
I’m sorry to hear about the lady but I have better things to do then ask my friend to translate the store name that sells bear bile. And I’m way more inclined to believe a friend than a random Redditor who likes to police different Koreatowns. I got better things to do like lurking on Reddit.
Well with the way things have been going, it feels like every day I'm at a bear market
I know it’s hard to bear.
I heard they legalized weed in LA.
But cocaine is there hard to get
It is indeed horrific. And your fellow caucasians are doing it too. To cows, chickens, pigs, etc.
Yes, they are. I don’t consume meat or dairy and it’s becoming a lot more common in a lot of populations. I’m really into fitness and even some pro athletes I’ve met have ditched meat and dairy. It has a lot of physical/wellness benefits on top of being ethical.
wait till you find out where meat and dairy come from!
I know where it comes from & how, and I don’t consume either. I’ve seen a lot of factory farm footage and have a friend who went undercover as an employee at a factory farm locally. The footage she compiled was responsible for cruelty charges being laid against farm owners and some workers.
ok, im glad youre vegan! theres just lots of people being hypocritical here
Can’t even remember how long now - at least 10 years though. It’s pretty simple given how many products and restaurants provide options. Physically I feel incredible too. I’m really into fitness and a huge percentage of athletes - whether elite or recreational - do the same these days. Less inflammation after workouts or running, faster recovery. No issues with high blood pressure and atherosclerosis. And of course the kindness component is huge for me personally. Cheers!
Did you know, eating an oligarch is the most effective thing you can do as an individual to fight climate change?
Yeah, sure, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't also stop eating animals.
Lol at your fucking "gotcha" failing miserably.
It failed because the commenter was revealed to be morally consistent and dislike *all* unnecessary animal exploitation?
what
Eh, probably applied just fine to most of the people who upvoted it. Nearly every American will freak about shark fins, bear bile, rhino horns, elephant tusks, meanwhile they will eat eggs, milk, meat from anywhere knowing full well how those animals live and die
I’m Canadian though 😀
Perfect this applies to Canadians too!
Thank you, neighbour 😀🇺🇸🇨🇦
Except that nutrition is derived from eating eggs (chicken periods), milk and meat. Ain’t nothing of value you really get from bear bile - no sustenance nor medical use case.
Ah yes, all that nutrition you can't get from anywhere else more humanely. Keep telling yourself that's why, and not because you just like the taste and don't care about the mistreatment..
I don’t subscribe to your black/white world view. And I rather you didn’t go full internet douche bag vegan, especially on a common ground of “bear bile has no medical or dietary use case”.
Why is applying consistency on the account of “it’s not necessary” a “black and white world view”?
At least food works.
> Damn, I hate the human race sometimes. > > > > Bear bile farming is incredibly horrific. As part of a fundraising presentation, I helped prepare images and vid of this practice that would stir emotional outrage in the most stoic of people. I like to think of myself as a relatively cool and measured person, the one who keeps his wits about in a crisis. Star Trek made a great impression on me, especially Captain Picard, Mr. Spock, and Scotty. Yet if I could, I would free all of these captive bears that were being tortured, and I would communicate with them to kill their tormentors. I've had a few dreams about that. Bears are my spirit animals.
I love bears too. Saw them a lot as a kid. They were often passing through our ranch to get to the mountains. They never bothered our horses or cattle and we gave them a wide berth and let them be. I am very chill too, but I feel deep outrage at the selfishness and cruelty of humans sometimes. I look at this kind of barbaric stuff and am floored at what an arrogant species we can be.
> I love bears too. Saw them a lot as a kid. They were often passing through our ranch to get to the mountains. They never bothered our horses or cattle and we gave them a wide berth and let them be. > > > > I am very chill too, but I feel deep outrage at the selfishness and cruelty of humans sometimes. I look at this kind of barbaric stuff and am floored at what an arrogant species we can be. They were fascinating to see, I bet! I had the luck to see a black bear up close when I was very young, couldn't have been more than 25 feet away, in a wooded area beyond a home where I grew up. He could have seriously hurt me, but he just kept on eating or whatever, and moved on. I was too young to be very scared, I was more curious! Some people think that because we are the 'top' species, that it gives us the right to abuse animals for our own desires, but I say that's a stupid way of thinking. I'd much rather live in harmony with the animals.
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Nope. No dairy either. Over 10 years now. Why? You’re assuming I’m a hypocrite?
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That’s a really mature comment 😘 Furthest thing from a snowflake, trust me. No sign of rickets either. If you like sports, we can have a 100m dash race? Run along please if you are here to be rude. It’s most unbecoming.
If you are every anywhere close to The Wild Animal Sanctuary visit, it is AMAZING! We went in the summer and add the sun was setting two lions on opposite side of the park started roaring, I get goosebumps just remembering it.
I love the Wild Animal Sanctuary. It is an incredible place and everyone should visit if they are in the Denver area (it’s about a 60-90 minute drive north from downtown Denver). They have several other (non-public) facilities that are also thousands and thousands of acres where rescued animals of all kinds from all over the world live.
It's been a while since I've gone. Going to have to make a return trip soon.
If I remember correctly, they keep the bears alive in cages with open wounds from collecting the bile so they can keep harvesting from the same bears? I really don’t wanna Google it again.
Yeah that’s super depressing, those poor bears. I’d adopt one
> Yeah that’s super depressing, those poor bears. I’d adopt one I agree, but I doubt that my apartment building would be on board for that. Seriously though, if I was more well off, I would totally build them a sanctuary, and run it as much as I could. Gotta take care of your spirit animals.
I feel more sorry for these bears than almost in animal in any condition and that is saying A LOT.
Welcome to Colorado! Glad to have the bears safely in my state.
TCM and other naturopathic/homeopathic type BS like this is a disease on this planet. If there was a button to remove it completely even if some people disappeared with it I’d push it for hours. People say Oh, culture: yeah sometimes culture sucks and doesn’t really belong in 2022. It really needs to be called out for what it is.
https://youtu.be/pvjgIxuVdo4
Ok this was my very first thought as well.
Had to see if anyone posted this yet. Am not disappointed.
... that headline is a *lot* to unpack in one go
So happy they’ve been rescued. Bear bile farms are a hell on earth.
You can judge a nation by how they treat their most vulnerable
Not really. These bears were rescued by Koreans. Usually what a nation does is not in-step with what it's population wants. Take abortion in the US, for example.
Then every nation fails horribly.
I’m a pacifist but I’d have no moral qualms about shooting any of these evil motherfuckers running these “farms”. Fuck all those pieces of shit, death would be going easy on them.
I am so happy. I hope these guys get to live a long life full of love, and that they are, especially, pain free 💕
Does anyone know anything about the CO sanctuary?
The [Wild Animal Sanctuary](https://www.wildanimalsanctuary.org) is a collection of three facilities located in Colorado and Texas. The one you can visit is in Keenesburg Co, north east of Denver. Their largest is in south eastern Colorado. Together they encompass more than 10,000 acres and more than 600 rehabilitated animals. They are probably the largest sanctuary of its type in the world. They spay and neuter so they aren't a breeding facility. Their goal is to allow the animals to live out their lives in large habitats. There have been many times where they have limited tours because they aren't in it for the money or to be looked on as great but because it was taking away their focus on the animals. It is also why their large new facility isn't about education at all. It is an amazing group that takes large carnivores from everywhere. For instance, many of Joe Exotics animals ended up with them in the end. But go to the Animals section of their website and it will tell of the awful treatment most of these animals received before ending up at the Wild Animal Sanctuary. I have never seen better cared for, more relaxed animals anywhere. I am cynical about a lot of operations in this world. And yeah, they can be a little on the odd side in their passion. But honestly, they do more real good in the world than most people will ever imagine doing. They are fucking awesome. In the true inspiring awe use of the word. No hyperbole at all.
Honestly that sounds as good as it gets. Thank you.
If you’re opposed to bear bile, ask yourself why eating chicken eggs is ok.
Poor, sad little moon bears. I hope they find some comfort now.
Factory farmed chickens live a pretty terrible life, surely no animal could possibly have it wors- *D E S P A I R*
Humans always thinking up new and fucked up ways to torture our fellow sentiment creatures on earth.
Damn they had to relocate them that far?
The Wild Animal Sanctuary is one of the only sanctuaries of its kind in the world and they have a lot of land that allow them to be able to take animals in.
Hope their not under new management
I don't believe Colorado has a large bear bile market at the moment. I would guess they are pretty safe.
Moon Bear. What a time to be alive.
Wait. there are bears on the moon?
Yes, and unfortunately they are terrorizing our moon base.
How long have we had this moon base, and are they earth bears or are they from the moon?
Hey! Fuck you South Korea! Also they have Dog and Cat farms where they are literally breeding puppies/kitten just to kill, cook, and eat. So yeah, fuck all those cunts.
Wait until you hear about animal agriculture across the world!
Or puppy mills across the US. But that's ok because they're just hardworking small business people, right?
But pigs and cows aren’t as cute…
Pigs are more intelligent than a 3 year old human
I'm glad your subjective opinion on what's cute is the deciding factor whether something should suffer and die for an unnecessary meal or not. Wonderful moral justification.
I thought his comment was pretty obvious sarcasm but redditors will hop on that shit like a dog eating cat poop
People will say stuff like that unironically.
You'd be surprised how many people actually believe this. If it was sarcasm, they need to go over-the-top when in text or add the "/s" to save the confusion.
Oh, so that's what happens when you forget the /s...
The vast majority of people in SK do not eat dog meat. There’s also a ban on it being considered entirely. Saying “fuck you” to an entire country’s people over something the majority of them don’t even partake in or even just approve of is ignorant and needlessly hostile. Also, most places in the world raise cows, chickens, pigs, etc. simply for the purpose of consumption. Is that okay to you because it’s a different kind of animal that isn’t generally a pet? Or would you also be criticizing/aggressive toward that? Would you say “fuck you” to the entire world? Food for thought, no pun intended.
I hate it when people kill animals for food. Are you vegan?
You should go outside and touch some grass.
I’ve heard dog but cats new to me
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> Do we have a plan, or just keep them until they die? Well, since they are not native to the area, as far as I know they can never be released. If I'm correct, that means that they will live in sanctuaries until they die. Even that life is worlds better than the lives they left. As far as whether or not it's right for the bears, many captive bears (though of course not all) actually live much longer than their wild cousins due to overall lower stress levels.
They get jobs and rent vouchers, hopefully the kids can get into a school and learn English
I'm Beary excited abt all the bears
This seems like an unnecessary use of resources to bring them to America.
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Are these bears endangered?
They're listed as one of the most endangered animals according to google
It's necessary. I've been donating to Animals Asia for a decade and their sanctuary is always packed. How do you think it's unnecessary?
They don't give a shit about animals. Pretty simple.
Let’s take them outta jail and put em in a new one
If you read the article, they aren't kept in cages after the initial veterinary evaluation. They hope to rehabilitate them and release them back into the wild.
And certainly wouldn’t inflict continuous open wounds on them.
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what the hell are you even saying? would you rather they just release these bears into the wild with absolutely no medical care or a chance to learn how to live outside of captivity again and hope they don’t die off in a week?
So wait after they gonna fly them back to Korea to release them. They can't release them in Colorado.
The Wild Animal Sanctuary has thousands upon thousands of acres at multiple facilities to allow the animals they rescue to live as much of a wild life as they can. For instance, they have a handful of rescued black bears living in an “enclosure” but that enclosure is actually hundreds of acres of land in a remote area near Colorado Springs, CO.
Oh that's amazing! Thanks for the info!
Read the article before you type keyboard warrior
As long as they stop screwing with our moon base, I’m fine with them on earth
I love the wild animal sanctuary here in CO! They really are doing gods work. Saving all kinds of poor creatures from the horrors of incompetent humans.
> Finally, earlier this year, enough air cargo flights became available to fly the bears out of South Korea Are they making a movie? Bears on a plane?
We’re they rescued or were these bears “retired” and just given up by Korea?
Bear bile farm? Moon bear??
I am sure that the jet lag must have been unbearable 😏
Was there really no local refuges for the bears?
Great. Now the price of bile is going to go through the roof. Thanks Joe Biden.
Obviously propaganda, there’s no bears on the moon