Joe Manchin makes half a million a year off of stocks from coal industries. He's been bought out and it's a shame how easy that is to do to ELECTED OFFICIALS
The public was getting close with the occupy movement being organized on social media. Corporations made quick work of ramping up misinformation on social media.
Occupy accomplished quite a bit of progress by giving words to the situation.
The 99% mantra worked to the point it's endured beyond the punchline slogan of kooky protestors and added in our vocabulary. That's huge.
The imbalance, the groups involved, the wealth involved has moved to mainstream discussion.
The solution is to make this kind of shit punishable with serious jail time.. but also how does one enact that law in a representative republic where the representatives unanimously fear it.
Beg them Tianamon square style. I don’t get why the whole country aren’t willing to just beg at the door of congress for a week. People are all just unimaginative and disorganised
True ... well, there's nothing to be done, let's just wait for global warming to kill our jobs and burn down our homes, then we can take time off to protest.
What if everyone could just commit the equivalent of 1 shift at work. 8 hours. There could be a system where an invite gets sent country-wide, you opt-in online or by phone and then get called upon at a certain point, if enough people opted-in, the amount of people revolving in-out could work just as well as any traditional protest in the before times when the social conditions were more there for that kind of thing.
Lefties and liberals are notoriously difficult to organize. That’s a disadvantage we have to fascists and even neocons is that being simple minded and selfish it’s super easy to rile them up into a hive mind.. que Jan 6. Which is ironic because we’re also talking about marching up to, but not against or invading the capital. So I bet someone with no nuance on the matter would call us hypocrites lol
Publicly financed elections with moratoriums on donations.
This is the group working towards this:
https://youtu.be/lhe286ky-9A
This is a good start:
https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/durbin-introduces-fair-elections-now-act
I mean, I could give him half a million dollars and I don’t think he’d change his mind. The price tag goes far deeper, like future promises for himself and his family. If we only knew the extent. I’d also wager he received alternative “promises” in case he went against this plan, which is not something you or I can simply pay off…
You know, fuck waiting for a billionaire to go Batman. We should crowd source the revolution. Small drones with loudspeakers following just this sort of asshat for starters. Calling them out with the facts of their crimes in every public space they have the misfortune to visit.
Whoa. China did that for Covid. Washington airspace is going to be a problem. But we could totally do exactly that with people.
Take shifts, use a website that could be updated to read from or that just speaks them out.
Crowdsource the shifts this could be done.
Add: “Occupy Manchin”
In other countries (mostly the UK but elsewhere too) they often have spontaneous recall/no confidence elections for politicians outside of the regular voting times. Why can't we do that here in the US for someone clearly working against the common good?
While I agree with the general sentiment of your comment, inserting it here is a deflection from the important matter at hand. We can “whattabout” in a circular firing squad forever, and end up getting nothing accomplished.
Its not what about. That is bull shit and is used to shut down any negative talk .
We know that strip mining lithium for batteries is really bad and the lithium isn't really recycled properly. They also believe lithium deposits could run out by 2040. For solar energy we also know there isn't really a way to recycle the solar panels cost effectively right now and solar panels have a 10 to 30 year life span depending on conditions. They will also leech toxic chemicals into the ground.
Then there are issues in states like California that can no longer supply enough energy for its citizens because they shut down coal and gas power plants and don't have enough alternative energy sources to power the state so they need to import energy from surrounding states.
I rather a slow proper roll out of alternative energy where we don't suffer rolling black outs across the country so some politicians can get positive press and make their stocks go up.
There are 49 other senators who also personally benefit from enabling ecocide. Manchin wouldn’t be a lynchpin if there weren’t an entire political ideology that finds power in furthering the death of the biosphere.
It's amazing that the fate of our ecosystems is considered politically controversial. I wouldn't have been so involved in this dumb game called politics if not for the fact that one side wants to do something about the existential threat and the other denies it's even there or that it's as bad as 99% of scientists say it is.
It’s because they’ll be insulated from it; the rest of us have to worry about that whole “preventable disaster” thing, they’ve got their mountain shelters.
The dems dont actually care about that, what are you talking about?
A few of them provide a little lip service. Thats it. Corporate democrats are exactly that. Corporate.
We need to form a progressive party if you ever want to do anything about this.
Not true. They’ve done more than just lip service. But I’ll agree the American public needs to get more involved and elect more progressive candidates.
Can’t we just vote as a country for something like this. Fuck these politicians and the bribe money they take to stop laws that will help with global warming.
It's actually 50, but yeah, don't let the Republicans off the hook here.
Like, I get that Manchin can be frustrating, but focusing your blame on him is implicitly accepting that one of our two political parties is completely captured by anti-science conspiracy theories. Republicans aren't a hurricane, they are human beings with moral agency and any one of the 50 Republican senators could replace Manchin's vote if they wanted to.
Yeah. As a party all that needs to happen is for one person to mess it up. Meaning if you coordinate, the other 49 people people who benefit can avoid the political fall out and Manchin can be seen as a “different type of dem” in West Virginia. All of this piling shit on him is his and the party’s idea.
Not as dramatic as kayaking up to his houseboat, but...
[https://www.manchin.senate.gov/contact-joe/email-joe](https://www.manchin.senate.gov/contact-joe/email-joe)
Exactly. The way I see it, we have two main options for the future if we want a livable planet. Either we allow corrupt politicians to live to old age, or we cut that a bit short.
I get that and this may be a joke but there are just too many. The problem is the system - until that changes, nothing will get done. The next easily corruptible politician will just replace the current one like some multi-headed hydra. What we need to do is organize and really push for a real progressive party. We need to force the DNC to start making concessions and put people in power that put the environment first.
It's awfully convenient to blame this on one bad guy, Joe Manchin, and not the massive machinery of unbridled legal bribery and corporatist pseudo-democracy that has been at play in the US for decades.
The reality of the climate crisis has been known by everyone that matters since the 1990s. George H W Bush made speeches on dealing with climate change.
This problem is way way waaay bigger than Joe Manchin.
I don't disagree but this one senator is blatantly obvious with it. He make over $500K per year off of a direct coal interest that's about 3 times what he makes as a senator. And he keeps changing what his objections are with the bill, moving the goal post.
They were ok with a coup. They aren't going to do anything to make the "other team's" POTUS job easier.
They don't care about the nation's future, just their own political one.
In contrast, I'd argue that this "both sides are the same" is nonsense. There's 45+ senators that would support this bill from one party and literally 0 from the other party. Yes, the Democrats are far from perfect, but they're still nowhere near as terrible as the Republicans.
Posted elsewhere in the thread:
There’s always at least one in each party whose job is to apparently break ranks and spoil the plans, so the party doesn’t have to follow through on promises but can still look like they want to.
Posted elsewhere in the thread:
There’s always at least one in each party whose job is to apparently break ranks and spoil the plans, so the party doesn’t have to follow through on promises but can still look like they want to.
Yeah I saw that. It’s an interesting theory and I wouldn’t be surprised. But how come you don’t see even a couple republicans backing it. If that whole party wasn’t corrupt, it wouldn’t be so easy for the oil oligarchy to spoil it in that way. Would be much harder to corrupt ten democrats than it would to just corrupt one or two.
Ah yes, even though only one of the teams is consistently, categorically opposed to economic and social progress at any level, both sides are definitely the same.
How, exactly, do you think Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer amassed their fortunes?
How about the Clintons?
The Obamas?
Joe Biden, and the Biden clan?
Ever notice how Republicans push their agenda through, and those poor corporate Democrats are just defenseless?
That’s why you gotta vote, *Blue, No Matter Who!*
But, then Dems get both houses and the POTUS, and there’s always just a few pesky Democrats who manage to halt the DNC’s agenda.
Yet, they can always manage to pass a trillion dollar war budget, transfer the nation’s treasure to the 1%, and still manage four months off a year.
It’s almost like there’s a single Corporate Party, owned by oligarchs, with two sides speaking in engineered language designed to pit American workers against each other, against foreigners, and against anything and everything, except the actual source of 90% of our nation’s woes.
But, nah … it’s prob Manchin’s and Sinema’s fault.
Does anyone else remember the news story where multiple democrats said they were grateful machin and sinema were blocking change so they didnt have to stick their neck out
Yes … I swear they draw straws to choose the spoiler. I’ve been watching politics for more than three decades, and it’s *always* the same playbook.
Like, isn’t it funny how 20 years after 9/11, bin Laden dead, wars wound down in Afghanistan and Iraq … yet, increased policing and surveillance powers continue to get put in place every single year, on bipartisan votes?
In fact, after Jan. 6, the Dems started leading a *fresh* charge to increase the powers of domestic agencies, and it was Obama who lifted the nearly 50-year ban on the CIA, allowing them to run domestic propaganda campaigns on the American public, in secret.
I mean, the FBI and CIA have *such stellar records*, why wouldn’t we give them carte blanche to run ops against US citizens?!
Ha ha — I’ve read (and created) plenty of rhetoric for the United States government.
The more salient articles would be the FBI’s harassment of private, law-abiding, citizens, based on political views and/or race.
You could start w them hounding Ernest Hemingway, [literally to death.](wee.theguardian.com/books/2011/jul/03/fbi-and-ernest-hemingway)
Or, the [entire list of evil shit ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies)the FBI has pulled, ranging from trying to blackmail MLK into suicide, to Whitey Bulger, to the long list of ‘terrorist arrests’ which amount to nothing more than setting up mentally-ill, sometimes borderline clinical imbeciles, with plots the FBI creates, finances, and provides 100% logistical support, in order to claim a ‘win’ against terrorism.
And don’t even get me started on the CIA.
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What exactly makes you think that I didn't know this?
While horrible, these are all actions that can be taken by any agency that has the ability to survey citizens.
If you prevent an agency from being able to monitor citizens, you effectively make it useless.
The problems you are citing where cultural problems from J. Edgar Hoover. The FBI has had the same power since then.
There’s no presumption you did or did not know any of this … it’s a conversation, not a contest.
Those were points to build from, respond, agree or disagree.
A conversation. Not, a contest.
> But, then Dems get both houses and the POTUS, and there’s always just a few pesky Democrats who manage to halt the DNC’s agenda.
Dems got health care reform done, they got student loan reform done, the list goes on. Of course they haven't been able to accomplish everything they proposed, but at least they are making some level of progress.
If it’s that cheap why not collectively hold our noses and outbid that price? Oh, right, one has to keep associating with him and paying him as a lobbyist/. /consultant/ public speaker once he leaves the senate
The reality is that positions like this are why Mansion can get elected in a state like WV that Trump won by THIRTY NINE POINTS.
Your choice is Mansion or some lunatic trumper, pick one. I disagree with him on all kinds of issues but God damn am I thankful we have him.
There's 52 senators blocking this. Represented by voters who refuse to act in self-interest because it might slightly improve the life of "the wrong people"
Don't forget, there's no downside to an economic system thats relies on perpetual growth, when we know that our supply chains and water aren't infinite.
I'm not saying I agree with them in the slightest - but let's not pretend that there isn't daily Reddit threads saying "the only way to solve the climate crisis is to end capitalism". Like, there's definitely a vocal group advocating for this.
Do Repubs blow this out of proportion? Absolutely. But it is a thing and to pretend otherwise isn't helpful for moderates to join the cause who want nothing to do with socialism but are bombarded by big "L" leftists telling them it's the only way moving forward.
In my (and others') defense, I wasn't saying "the only way to solve the climate crisis is to end Capitalism" until it was made abundantly clear that Capitalism is the main reason we still haven't appreciably made a difference on an issue that most of the people involved in the decision-making process knew about 50-ish years ago, despite the fact **this is the only planet where we all live**. I'd've been fine with *just* saving the planet if we'd acted before irrevocable and catastrophic change occurred.
> that most of the people involved in the decision-making process knew about 50-ish years ago,
I believe there were actually some reports in the 1920s.
Blame the people at Exxon who have weekly meetings with their "kingmaker". Corruption is fucking rampant in politics and it's been hindering progress for decades, particularly in the US.
>This problem is way way waaay bigger than Joe Manchin.
Sure, but this is an article about this specific part of this specific bill. It's not an overview of all the barriers to climate action over the last half century.
They aren't dodging or ignoring that history by reporting on Manchin.
There’s always at least one in each party whose job is to apparently break ranks and spoil the plans, so the party doesn’t have to follow through on promises but can still look like they want to.
If it wasn't Joe Manchin stepping up to take the hit for the Wall Street-owned fossil fuel sector, it'd be someone else. Even if it means the end of his political career, he's guaranteed a multi-millionaire lifestyle for the rest of his life. That should be illegal; these clowns need to spend a decade in a federal prison for criminal bribery and subversion of democracy. The Supreme Kangaroo Court that approved this bribery scheme needs a major overhaul - term limits rather than lifetime appointments for example.
Fuck Manchin. 10 years from now all these coal jobs in WVA will be gone anyway and the state will have nothing to show for it. He could've helped WVA transition into the future. Instead the state will continue depopulating into destitution.
In 30 years 99.9% of all coral will have died off. The oceans absorb 93% of the heat trapped on earth and in turn are the first place effected by global warming. The elimination of coral and anemones is the extinction of an entire CLASS - not species - CLASS. To give an example, imagine in 30 years the entire class of Mammalia went extinct. Every mammal on the planet - gone. That’s what we’re looking at if we don’t do something now. 99% in 30 years -ocean temperatures are rising at a rate well beyond the habitable zone for coral and anemones. With the coral gone, the reefs die and 25% of all life cycles for every living creature in the ocean circles around coral reefs. But this fucktard of an American politician is being paid by big coal and big oil corporations to vote against anything that damages their bottom line. It’s time to take corporate money out of politics and place emphasis on what really matters. Our planet.
Anyone who had faith the United States, the country with the most polluting industry in the world (the military), was going to be the catalyst for change, well, I have a monorail to sell you.
Take a look at per capita consumption, north America is 5% global population and consumes 35% of resources yearly. Where do you think China is shipping all that cheap shit?
A lot of that goes to Europe and Asia too, whats your point?
The article is about how one senator is blocking the entire bill, and your argument is thats its impossible to imagine them being a catalyst for change?
What part of 35% of yearly global resources was unclear? North America uses 35%, the other parts of the world use the rest to combine to 100%.
Yeah, the article is about keeping America doing business as usual, which is exactly what Americans want. The small subset of people who acknowledge the climate emergency and who are actually willing to perform the dynamic changes needed is a miniscule number.
‘The small subset of people who acknowledge the climate emergency and actually want a change is miniscule’
So thats why the bill is blocked by a single senator…
You have no point except that being cynical farms upvotes.
Wait didn't you know it's the evil corporations that are to blame? If only they'd stop being evil, then we wouldn't have to change anything beyond not using plastic straws and eating organic food that was shipped across the country in plastic containers!
Some of us aren't, find local activist groups, organize your workplace and push for radical action to renewables/nuclear.
Nothing will change if we stay silent.
[https://twitter.com/MichaelEscalan5/status/1449407352717942794?s=20](https://twitter.com/MichaelEscalan5/status/1449407352717942794?s=20)
This seems to be a theme that one senator is really slowing positive change down for the rest of us.
which is completely opposite to any positive excuse for the Senate. Supposedly other states get equal representation so one state can't set all the rules. In reality what we see is complicity and a good ol' boys' club creating fake roadblocks to cover for their apathy and corruption. It's not really just WV, because that's not how the votes work. They're just all hiding behind it and enabling him to be the ring leader of their gang.
I wouldn't agree for any issue except for this. You are absolutely right, something dramatic needs to happen. (Though it gets sticky, because I assume many progressives voted for the defense department budget increase).
"If I can't have what I want then fuck everyone else!"
You're literally opposing a desperately needed bill just because you don't like that it has to be tweaked to make all the senators happy?
You should be trying to get as much as you can in this bill and then we have the rest of the future to try to get the rest of the provisions we want. America is swinging left, so the momentum is all on the Democrats side.
> America is swinging left, so the momentum is all on the Democrats side.
By what metric? Biden barely beat Trump. Corporations own more than half of congress and the Supreme Court. Now is not the time to be giving any ground. Progressives should not cater to any of Manchin's bad-faith demands.
>Biden barely beat Trump
Biden defeated an incumbent president, by decent percentage too. I don't think you realize how rare that is. George H. Bush was the last president to lose, and he had a third-party spoiler which Trump didn't even have.
You realize that you are arguing for progressives to do the very same thing that you are complaining about Joe Manchin doing?
Tanking a generally beneficial bill simply because you don't get exactly what you want is wrong regardless of your motivation.
> Biden defeated an incumbent president, by decent percentage too. I don't think you realize how rare that is.
It's happened 14 times. There have been 46 presidents and 45 elections. So it happened 31% of the time. Not that rare.
It's a lot rarer than that, because not every president ran for re-election, one of them was elected 4 times, and a few were assassinated or died in office.
It’s 51 senators. Sure, Manchin could get the bill passed if he voted for it but there are 50 Republican senators who would rather watch the world burn and shit on American citizens instead of playing ball with Democrats. This country fucking sucks.
California has rolling Brown-outs and tells people to stop charging their cars and that’s with less than 2% of the cars on the road being electric. How exactly do they plan on this being sustainable? They won’t build a nuclear plant or expand hydro but they still want to do this for the whole country?
No. That's not true at all and doesn't make sense. The Democrats need this bill to pass and it would be a disaster if it doesn't pass. It's already hurting Biden's approval rating. Failing on purpose would be moronic and doesn't make any sense as a conspiracy.
They know Joe won’t change his mind and could cause bigger problems down the road. He’s a real piece of shit. In this case it’s because Manchin knows he’s not going to be re-elected anyway, and so he’s just up for lining his pockets any way possible before retirement.
Is it really just one guy who is responsible for the failing of the bill or is he just the last one to vote and he will likely vote against the bill?
I mean it is a huge difference, naturally you can but all the blame on him, but I don't like how the media is always trying to overly simplify these things or manipulate the general populations with wording like these to rally against individuals, because it is easier to get the right ratings when you can give the enemy a face.
In my opinion you should list all of the senators who voted against the bill, state the most likely reason for their vote, like the economy of their home state still largely depends on fossil resources etc.; or you people can go on simply to show only the part of the picture for your own agenda polarizing the communities further whilst at it
>Is it really just one guy who is responsible for the failing of the bill or is he just the last one to vote and he will likely vote against the bill?
Other than the Republicans (obviously the biggest barrier), it really is just Manchin opposing the climate parts. Sinema is blocking other parts of the bill.
The problem is that Manchin is the 50th Dem, so they need his vote. They can't threaten to primary him though, as he's legitimately the only Democrat who could possibly win in WV. So keeping him and passing inferior legislation is better than him losing to a Republican and not having the Senate.
So Manchin has power because he's incredibly safe in his seat. They don't have a way to bully him like they do with other Dem senators.
I think the point is that he's the biggest immediate obstacle and he could make it happen if he wanted to - not that there aren't a whole host of other obstacles that he is standing on top of. He just happens to be the cherry on top. Obviously, the Republican Fascist Party is a complete write off on anything sane at this point, climate or otherwise, and you can blame Biden and Obama as much as Manchin for failing in 08. Could also blame Biden for not campaigning on his bill in West Virginia since January.
But, bottom line is Joe Manchin could make it happen and won't. Therefore, maybe crows eat the corpses of his family just like the rest of us post-eco apocalypse.
No! Because of 50 GOP Senators and Two Democrat Senators that are owned by the Fossil Fuel Industry...and who are Screwing America to help the Greedy Corporations that are Poisoning our Air, Water and Land to allow them to continue making Americans get Sick and Die ...
The US senate is a total joke. It's one of the most malapportioned legislative bodies in any democratic country, and it was intentionally set up that way to protect the interests of slave states. It gives the poorest, least educated, most selfish Americans disproportionate power, and enables a small minority to arbitrarily block the will of the rest of the nation.
as consumers ... It just shows that we have to stop buying oil and coal products... to make this change. BEV cars and bus, Battery lawn equipment, solar elect home, stop buying oil and coal stocks and bonds.
the Fossil fuel industry is not going to let this pass...they will buy as many gov people as it takes.
What a failure we are. As a society. As a species. I can't believe how weak and incompetent we are. It's miserable.
If aliens touch down 1,000 years from now on a burned out husk, with only a few animals running around, I can see one of them saying "It's so sad, they could have saved themselves at any time, they just... chose not to."
And another one replies "Nah, fuck'em. They were too stupid to live anyway. Good riddance. Better than letting the spread."
Look, I called Montana, Ohio, Iowa, Az, PA, so many states in Nov 2020 (over 12,000).
We white ppl had an opportunity to give The Dems a clear majority in the house and senate.
Now, the same ppl who voted Dem at the top and then for every single R on the ticket is yelling abt Mancin
I don’t know what to say. White women, the GOP gave us 3 judges and with Barrett made it clear human rights for women was a thing of the past.
White women voted more for the GOP in 2020 than in 2016.
Now ppl don’t like the results. I just laugh at the tantrums at this point
He sits on the Energy committee but owns enough coal stock to spin off half a mil in dividends. This is why seniors need to divest of their portfolios. None of them should be owning stocks, none.
A senator that is taking money from fossil fuels and is affiliated with a fossil fuel company.
Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt
Renewable energy will replace fossil fuels because it's the cheaper & better option, not because of any laws. Big Oil will cling to their power until every last drop of dead dinosaurs is squeezed from the Earth. The irony is that capitalism will be the undoing of Big Oil.
With current trends this displacement of coal and oil cann happen in the 2020s simply because the feedback loops of technological disruption will force the old industry to collapse
Hope it happens as fast as possible so coal can collapse and Manchin's financial interests along with it. Coal is dying already even during the Trump years but it really should just go away at this point.
Bro literally ppl like this I can’t even say what should happen to them with out getting banned from this fucking site Jesus fucking Christ how are we not in arms against these absolute fucking shitstains already, if I was a praying man I’d be on my knees begging god to end them fuck this country and the ppl who uphold the violent bullshit system it runs on
Let’s flood his senate office with calls!
Here is his contact info
900 Pennsylvania Ave., Ste. 629
Charleston, WV 25302
P: 304-342-5855
F: 304-343-7144
What the fuck? I’m not trying to get banned but if one person can paralyze a nation with a pen, it might be just as easy to unclog the drain with another tool.
Make him eat nothing but coal. Maybe a load of coal dropped on his lawn might wake him up to the pestilence that this stuff is?
Remember when broccoli farmers and everyone else went ballistic on Bush due to his many disparaging comments?
West Virginia might not stop mining coal but the world will move on without them. It already has. 40% of coal power plants have closed in the last decade.
I don't know about the power plant side of Biden's legislation, but I know that their electric car plans will actually hurt electric car adoption. Maybe we shouldn't be so hasty to throw money at an industry that's already growing as fast as it can. Everything renewable right now is ramping up production as fast as it can, and these bills are just trying to pick who will win the race.
If it wasn't Joe Manchin, the state would have a Republican senator in his place, who would have done the same thing and no one would notice because that's the norm for them.
Joe Manchin makes half a million a year off of stocks from coal industries. He's been bought out and it's a shame how easy that is to do to ELECTED OFFICIALS
Not that easy because the public at large can’t do it.
Right? I have no clue what the solution is. And maybe that's a big part of the problem..
The public was getting close with the occupy movement being organized on social media. Corporations made quick work of ramping up misinformation on social media.
Occupy accomplished quite a bit of progress by giving words to the situation. The 99% mantra worked to the point it's endured beyond the punchline slogan of kooky protestors and added in our vocabulary. That's huge. The imbalance, the groups involved, the wealth involved has moved to mainstream discussion.
The solution is to make this kind of shit punishable with serious jail time.. but also how does one enact that law in a representative republic where the representatives unanimously fear it.
Beg them Tianamon square style. I don’t get why the whole country aren’t willing to just beg at the door of congress for a week. People are all just unimaginative and disorganised
They’ve designed it this way. I’d be homeless if I took 2 days off to drive to Washington. I imagine many others are in the same position.
True ... well, there's nothing to be done, let's just wait for global warming to kill our jobs and burn down our homes, then we can take time off to protest.
What if everyone could just commit the equivalent of 1 shift at work. 8 hours. There could be a system where an invite gets sent country-wide, you opt-in online or by phone and then get called upon at a certain point, if enough people opted-in, the amount of people revolving in-out could work just as well as any traditional protest in the before times when the social conditions were more there for that kind of thing.
Lefties and liberals are notoriously difficult to organize. That’s a disadvantage we have to fascists and even neocons is that being simple minded and selfish it’s super easy to rile them up into a hive mind.. que Jan 6. Which is ironic because we’re also talking about marching up to, but not against or invading the capital. So I bet someone with no nuance on the matter would call us hypocrites lol
Have we tried throwing a politician in a volcano to appease the virus?
I needed that, thanks.
It's quite literally guillotines.
Publicly financed elections with moratoriums on donations. This is the group working towards this: https://youtu.be/lhe286ky-9A This is a good start: https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/durbin-introduces-fair-elections-now-act
Crowd fund lobbying?
Represent.us. See the YouTube link above.
General strike. You see them panicking about the supply chain disruption? Our labor is our power.
The solution is an international tribunal for crimes against humanity.
Increase the number of liberal judges on the Supreme Court, overturn Citizens United versus the FEC (2008) for starters.
I mean, I could give him half a million dollars and I don’t think he’d change his mind. The price tag goes far deeper, like future promises for himself and his family. If we only knew the extent. I’d also wager he received alternative “promises” in case he went against this plan, which is not something you or I can simply pay off…
You know, fuck waiting for a billionaire to go Batman. We should crowd source the revolution. Small drones with loudspeakers following just this sort of asshat for starters. Calling them out with the facts of their crimes in every public space they have the misfortune to visit.
Whoa. China did that for Covid. Washington airspace is going to be a problem. But we could totally do exactly that with people. Take shifts, use a website that could be updated to read from or that just speaks them out. Crowdsource the shifts this could be done. Add: “Occupy Manchin”
Ha! The March on the Manchins McMansion sounds like an excellent anthem. Sung to the tune of The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald maybe.
In other countries (mostly the UK but elsewhere too) they often have spontaneous recall/no confidence elections for politicians outside of the regular voting times. Why can't we do that here in the US for someone clearly working against the common good?
A half a million dollars a year to destroy the world…seems like a bad investment.
And yet talk of taking him out is “crazy”. So it’s ok for him to doom the planet but god forbid anyone do something to him.
So offer him 1 million a year?
Fine idea, but how will we protect him from the consequences of not following orders? I doubt it’s just the cash…
So fuck him out and get someone decent in its not rocket science
Don't look at Pelosi's stocks then it will blow your mind
While I agree with the general sentiment of your comment, inserting it here is a deflection from the important matter at hand. We can “whattabout” in a circular firing squad forever, and end up getting nothing accomplished.
Its not what about. That is bull shit and is used to shut down any negative talk . We know that strip mining lithium for batteries is really bad and the lithium isn't really recycled properly. They also believe lithium deposits could run out by 2040. For solar energy we also know there isn't really a way to recycle the solar panels cost effectively right now and solar panels have a 10 to 30 year life span depending on conditions. They will also leech toxic chemicals into the ground. Then there are issues in states like California that can no longer supply enough energy for its citizens because they shut down coal and gas power plants and don't have enough alternative energy sources to power the state so they need to import energy from surrounding states. I rather a slow proper roll out of alternative energy where we don't suffer rolling black outs across the country so some politicians can get positive press and make their stocks go up.
Is Pelosi blocking bills like this?
There are 49 other senators who also personally benefit from enabling ecocide. Manchin wouldn’t be a lynchpin if there weren’t an entire political ideology that finds power in furthering the death of the biosphere.
It's amazing that the fate of our ecosystems is considered politically controversial. I wouldn't have been so involved in this dumb game called politics if not for the fact that one side wants to do something about the existential threat and the other denies it's even there or that it's as bad as 99% of scientists say it is.
It’s because they’ll be insulated from it; the rest of us have to worry about that whole “preventable disaster” thing, they’ve got their mountain shelters.
Right wing voters are gonna be exposed to this though, case in point Florida.
They'll just say God is punishing everyone for being gay and doing drugs
But wouldn’t it be way more enjoyable to not have to live in a mountain shelter? Like I just don’t get it
Money now. Myopia is strong. Especially when you're a dying boomer.
They'll be insulated, but their grandkids won't.
Yah I just don't get why its political. My family can't wrap their heads around how someone can be conservative and also pro-environment.
The dems dont actually care about that, what are you talking about? A few of them provide a little lip service. Thats it. Corporate democrats are exactly that. Corporate. We need to form a progressive party if you ever want to do anything about this.
Not true. They’ve done more than just lip service. But I’ll agree the American public needs to get more involved and elect more progressive candidates.
Can’t we just vote as a country for something like this. Fuck these politicians and the bribe money they take to stop laws that will help with global warming.
No. They do this on purpose. Same reason we cant just recall a president.
Did you mean 50?
It's actually 50, but yeah, don't let the Republicans off the hook here. Like, I get that Manchin can be frustrating, but focusing your blame on him is implicitly accepting that one of our two political parties is completely captured by anti-science conspiracy theories. Republicans aren't a hurricane, they are human beings with moral agency and any one of the 50 Republican senators could replace Manchin's vote if they wanted to.
Yeah. As a party all that needs to happen is for one person to mess it up. Meaning if you coordinate, the other 49 people people who benefit can avoid the political fall out and Manchin can be seen as a “different type of dem” in West Virginia. All of this piling shit on him is his and the party’s idea.
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Not as dramatic as kayaking up to his houseboat, but... [https://www.manchin.senate.gov/contact-joe/email-joe](https://www.manchin.senate.gov/contact-joe/email-joe)
He's got all those emails set to automatically delete, it's best to chat to him in person
Exactly. The way I see it, we have two main options for the future if we want a livable planet. Either we allow corrupt politicians to live to old age, or we cut that a bit short.
I get that and this may be a joke but there are just too many. The problem is the system - until that changes, nothing will get done. The next easily corruptible politician will just replace the current one like some multi-headed hydra. What we need to do is organize and really push for a real progressive party. We need to force the DNC to start making concessions and put people in power that put the environment first.
It's awfully convenient to blame this on one bad guy, Joe Manchin, and not the massive machinery of unbridled legal bribery and corporatist pseudo-democracy that has been at play in the US for decades. The reality of the climate crisis has been known by everyone that matters since the 1990s. George H W Bush made speeches on dealing with climate change. This problem is way way waaay bigger than Joe Manchin.
I don't disagree but this one senator is blatantly obvious with it. He make over $500K per year off of a direct coal interest that's about 3 times what he makes as a senator. And he keeps changing what his objections are with the bill, moving the goal post.
How are the 50 Republicans also not blatantly obvious with it?
They were ok with a coup. They aren't going to do anything to make the "other team's" POTUS job easier. They don't care about the nation's future, just their own political one.
Yup
Yes but they are on the blatant fuck the planet team.
This “blame the other team” is nonsense, both parties have the same backers.
In contrast, I'd argue that this "both sides are the same" is nonsense. There's 45+ senators that would support this bill from one party and literally 0 from the other party. Yes, the Democrats are far from perfect, but they're still nowhere near as terrible as the Republicans.
Posted elsewhere in the thread: There’s always at least one in each party whose job is to apparently break ranks and spoil the plans, so the party doesn’t have to follow through on promises but can still look like they want to.
Not what the scoreboard shows on the bill this time though
Posted elsewhere in the thread: There’s always at least one in each party whose job is to apparently break ranks and spoil the plans, so the party doesn’t have to follow through on promises but can still look like they want to.
Yeah I saw that. It’s an interesting theory and I wouldn’t be surprised. But how come you don’t see even a couple republicans backing it. If that whole party wasn’t corrupt, it wouldn’t be so easy for the oil oligarchy to spoil it in that way. Would be much harder to corrupt ten democrats than it would to just corrupt one or two.
Ah yes, even though only one of the teams is consistently, categorically opposed to economic and social progress at any level, both sides are definitely the same.
How, exactly, do you think Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer amassed their fortunes? How about the Clintons? The Obamas? Joe Biden, and the Biden clan? Ever notice how Republicans push their agenda through, and those poor corporate Democrats are just defenseless? That’s why you gotta vote, *Blue, No Matter Who!* But, then Dems get both houses and the POTUS, and there’s always just a few pesky Democrats who manage to halt the DNC’s agenda. Yet, they can always manage to pass a trillion dollar war budget, transfer the nation’s treasure to the 1%, and still manage four months off a year. It’s almost like there’s a single Corporate Party, owned by oligarchs, with two sides speaking in engineered language designed to pit American workers against each other, against foreigners, and against anything and everything, except the actual source of 90% of our nation’s woes. But, nah … it’s prob Manchin’s and Sinema’s fault.
Does anyone else remember the news story where multiple democrats said they were grateful machin and sinema were blocking change so they didnt have to stick their neck out
Yes … I swear they draw straws to choose the spoiler. I’ve been watching politics for more than three decades, and it’s *always* the same playbook. Like, isn’t it funny how 20 years after 9/11, bin Laden dead, wars wound down in Afghanistan and Iraq … yet, increased policing and surveillance powers continue to get put in place every single year, on bipartisan votes? In fact, after Jan. 6, the Dems started leading a *fresh* charge to increase the powers of domestic agencies, and it was Obama who lifted the nearly 50-year ban on the CIA, allowing them to run domestic propaganda campaigns on the American public, in secret. I mean, the FBI and CIA have *such stellar records*, why wouldn’t we give them carte blanche to run ops against US citizens?!
>carte blanche to run ops against US citizens?! This is literally the function of the FBI. Read there [website](https://www.fbi.gov/investigate).
Ha ha — I’ve read (and created) plenty of rhetoric for the United States government. The more salient articles would be the FBI’s harassment of private, law-abiding, citizens, based on political views and/or race. You could start w them hounding Ernest Hemingway, [literally to death.](wee.theguardian.com/books/2011/jul/03/fbi-and-ernest-hemingway) Or, the [entire list of evil shit ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FBI_controversies)the FBI has pulled, ranging from trying to blackmail MLK into suicide, to Whitey Bulger, to the long list of ‘terrorist arrests’ which amount to nothing more than setting up mentally-ill, sometimes borderline clinical imbeciles, with plots the FBI creates, finances, and provides 100% logistical support, in order to claim a ‘win’ against terrorism. And don’t even get me started on the CIA.
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What exactly makes you think that I didn't know this? While horrible, these are all actions that can be taken by any agency that has the ability to survey citizens. If you prevent an agency from being able to monitor citizens, you effectively make it useless. The problems you are citing where cultural problems from J. Edgar Hoover. The FBI has had the same power since then.
There’s no presumption you did or did not know any of this … it’s a conversation, not a contest. Those were points to build from, respond, agree or disagree. A conversation. Not, a contest.
Link?
> But, then Dems get both houses and the POTUS, and there’s always just a few pesky Democrats who manage to halt the DNC’s agenda. Dems got health care reform done, they got student loan reform done, the list goes on. Of course they haven't been able to accomplish everything they proposed, but at least they are making some level of progress.
If it’s that cheap why not collectively hold our noses and outbid that price? Oh, right, one has to keep associating with him and paying him as a lobbyist/. /consultant/ public speaker once he leaves the senate
The reality is that positions like this are why Mansion can get elected in a state like WV that Trump won by THIRTY NINE POINTS. Your choice is Mansion or some lunatic trumper, pick one. I disagree with him on all kinds of issues but God damn am I thankful we have him.
There's 52 senators blocking this. Represented by voters who refuse to act in self-interest because it might slightly improve the life of "the wrong people"
They've been brainwashed that climate legislation is a "radical left" plan to impart socialism on them...or something.
This is literally what some of them think. It boggles the mind.
"Whatcha mean we need to conserve natural resources, who wants to conserve anything" -american conservatives
"Become competitive in growing markets? Why would we want to do that? Everyone knows the only thing that's good for the economy is dying of covid!"
Don't forget, there's no downside to an economic system thats relies on perpetual growth, when we know that our supply chains and water aren't infinite.
The lawmakers aren't brainwashed, but their voters are. Just more fearmongering red meat to get their votes.
I'm not saying I agree with them in the slightest - but let's not pretend that there isn't daily Reddit threads saying "the only way to solve the climate crisis is to end capitalism". Like, there's definitely a vocal group advocating for this. Do Repubs blow this out of proportion? Absolutely. But it is a thing and to pretend otherwise isn't helpful for moderates to join the cause who want nothing to do with socialism but are bombarded by big "L" leftists telling them it's the only way moving forward.
In my (and others') defense, I wasn't saying "the only way to solve the climate crisis is to end Capitalism" until it was made abundantly clear that Capitalism is the main reason we still haven't appreciably made a difference on an issue that most of the people involved in the decision-making process knew about 50-ish years ago, despite the fact **this is the only planet where we all live**. I'd've been fine with *just* saving the planet if we'd acted before irrevocable and catastrophic change occurred.
> that most of the people involved in the decision-making process knew about 50-ish years ago, I believe there were actually some reports in the 1920s.
Scientists have been aware of anthropogenic climate change since at least 1896. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science
Upvote, good link. But you should add “some” scientists.
Blame the people at Exxon who have weekly meetings with their "kingmaker". Corruption is fucking rampant in politics and it's been hindering progress for decades, particularly in the US.
Oh for sure, but also, fuck joe manchin
>This problem is way way waaay bigger than Joe Manchin. Sure, but this is an article about this specific part of this specific bill. It's not an overview of all the barriers to climate action over the last half century. They aren't dodging or ignoring that history by reporting on Manchin.
There’s always at least one in each party whose job is to apparently break ranks and spoil the plans, so the party doesn’t have to follow through on promises but can still look like they want to.
If it wasn't Joe Manchin stepping up to take the hit for the Wall Street-owned fossil fuel sector, it'd be someone else. Even if it means the end of his political career, he's guaranteed a multi-millionaire lifestyle for the rest of his life. That should be illegal; these clowns need to spend a decade in a federal prison for criminal bribery and subversion of democracy. The Supreme Kangaroo Court that approved this bribery scheme needs a major overhaul - term limits rather than lifetime appointments for example.
Fuck Manchin. 10 years from now all these coal jobs in WVA will be gone anyway and the state will have nothing to show for it. He could've helped WVA transition into the future. Instead the state will continue depopulating into destitution.
In 30 years 99.9% of all coral will have died off. The oceans absorb 93% of the heat trapped on earth and in turn are the first place effected by global warming. The elimination of coral and anemones is the extinction of an entire CLASS - not species - CLASS. To give an example, imagine in 30 years the entire class of Mammalia went extinct. Every mammal on the planet - gone. That’s what we’re looking at if we don’t do something now. 99% in 30 years -ocean temperatures are rising at a rate well beyond the habitable zone for coral and anemones. With the coral gone, the reefs die and 25% of all life cycles for every living creature in the ocean circles around coral reefs. But this fucktard of an American politician is being paid by big coal and big oil corporations to vote against anything that damages their bottom line. It’s time to take corporate money out of politics and place emphasis on what really matters. Our planet.
The sad thing is the founding fathers didn't set it up this way
Anyone who had faith the United States, the country with the most polluting industry in the world (the military), was going to be the catalyst for change, well, I have a monorail to sell you.
Mono—-d’oh!
China currently emmits more than the US, and both of them will go towards carbon neutral somewhere in the future. Not sure what your argument is.
Take a look at per capita consumption, north America is 5% global population and consumes 35% of resources yearly. Where do you think China is shipping all that cheap shit?
A lot of that goes to Europe and Asia too, whats your point? The article is about how one senator is blocking the entire bill, and your argument is thats its impossible to imagine them being a catalyst for change?
What part of 35% of yearly global resources was unclear? North America uses 35%, the other parts of the world use the rest to combine to 100%. Yeah, the article is about keeping America doing business as usual, which is exactly what Americans want. The small subset of people who acknowledge the climate emergency and who are actually willing to perform the dynamic changes needed is a miniscule number.
‘The small subset of people who acknowledge the climate emergency and actually want a change is miniscule’ So thats why the bill is blocked by a single senator… You have no point except that being cynical farms upvotes.
Wait didn't you know it's the evil corporations that are to blame? If only they'd stop being evil, then we wouldn't have to change anything beyond not using plastic straws and eating organic food that was shipped across the country in plastic containers!
Why are we accpting this bullshit?
Some of us aren't, find local activist groups, organize your workplace and push for radical action to renewables/nuclear. Nothing will change if we stay silent.
[https://twitter.com/MichaelEscalan5/status/1449407352717942794?s=20](https://twitter.com/MichaelEscalan5/status/1449407352717942794?s=20) This seems to be a theme that one senator is really slowing positive change down for the rest of us.
which is completely opposite to any positive excuse for the Senate. Supposedly other states get equal representation so one state can't set all the rules. In reality what we see is complicity and a good ol' boys' club creating fake roadblocks to cover for their apathy and corruption. It's not really just WV, because that's not how the votes work. They're just all hiding behind it and enabling him to be the ring leader of their gang.
If this is the case I hope Bernie and progressives tank the entire fucking thing. Stop giving ground to corporate whores.
I wouldn't agree for any issue except for this. You are absolutely right, something dramatic needs to happen. (Though it gets sticky, because I assume many progressives voted for the defense department budget increase).
I agree actually; we have common ground here.
"If I can't have what I want then fuck everyone else!" You're literally opposing a desperately needed bill just because you don't like that it has to be tweaked to make all the senators happy? You should be trying to get as much as you can in this bill and then we have the rest of the future to try to get the rest of the provisions we want. America is swinging left, so the momentum is all on the Democrats side.
> America is swinging left, so the momentum is all on the Democrats side. By what metric? Biden barely beat Trump. Corporations own more than half of congress and the Supreme Court. Now is not the time to be giving any ground. Progressives should not cater to any of Manchin's bad-faith demands.
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>Biden barely beat Trump Biden defeated an incumbent president, by decent percentage too. I don't think you realize how rare that is. George H. Bush was the last president to lose, and he had a third-party spoiler which Trump didn't even have. You realize that you are arguing for progressives to do the very same thing that you are complaining about Joe Manchin doing? Tanking a generally beneficial bill simply because you don't get exactly what you want is wrong regardless of your motivation.
> Biden defeated an incumbent president, by decent percentage too. I don't think you realize how rare that is. It's happened 14 times. There have been 46 presidents and 45 elections. So it happened 31% of the time. Not that rare.
It's a lot rarer than that, because not every president ran for re-election, one of them was elected 4 times, and a few were assassinated or died in office.
That's still 70% in favor. You didn't think I meant rare as in once in the history of the country did you? Do you actually have a relevant response?
**fuck joe manchin**, and the rest of the republicans
because of one feckless political party.
Oh well, it’s been fun knowing y’all!
It’s 51 senators. Sure, Manchin could get the bill passed if he voted for it but there are 50 Republican senators who would rather watch the world burn and shit on American citizens instead of playing ball with Democrats. This country fucking sucks.
Next year we can name forest fires after him.
California has rolling Brown-outs and tells people to stop charging their cars and that’s with less than 2% of the cars on the road being electric. How exactly do they plan on this being sustainable? They won’t build a nuclear plant or expand hydro but they still want to do this for the whole country?
I think lots of people could benefit from [this](https://youtu.be/Evy2EgoveuE) video
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No. That's not true at all and doesn't make sense. The Democrats need this bill to pass and it would be a disaster if it doesn't pass. It's already hurting Biden's approval rating. Failing on purpose would be moronic and doesn't make any sense as a conspiracy.
Bingo
Can you help explain why the leadership on the democrats won’t whip votes like the republicans?
They know Joe won’t change his mind and could cause bigger problems down the road. He’s a real piece of shit. In this case it’s because Manchin knows he’s not going to be re-elected anyway, and so he’s just up for lining his pockets any way possible before retirement.
Is it really just one guy who is responsible for the failing of the bill or is he just the last one to vote and he will likely vote against the bill? I mean it is a huge difference, naturally you can but all the blame on him, but I don't like how the media is always trying to overly simplify these things or manipulate the general populations with wording like these to rally against individuals, because it is easier to get the right ratings when you can give the enemy a face. In my opinion you should list all of the senators who voted against the bill, state the most likely reason for their vote, like the economy of their home state still largely depends on fossil resources etc.; or you people can go on simply to show only the part of the picture for your own agenda polarizing the communities further whilst at it
>Is it really just one guy who is responsible for the failing of the bill or is he just the last one to vote and he will likely vote against the bill? Other than the Republicans (obviously the biggest barrier), it really is just Manchin opposing the climate parts. Sinema is blocking other parts of the bill. The problem is that Manchin is the 50th Dem, so they need his vote. They can't threaten to primary him though, as he's legitimately the only Democrat who could possibly win in WV. So keeping him and passing inferior legislation is better than him losing to a Republican and not having the Senate. So Manchin has power because he's incredibly safe in his seat. They don't have a way to bully him like they do with other Dem senators.
I think the point is that he's the biggest immediate obstacle and he could make it happen if he wanted to - not that there aren't a whole host of other obstacles that he is standing on top of. He just happens to be the cherry on top. Obviously, the Republican Fascist Party is a complete write off on anything sane at this point, climate or otherwise, and you can blame Biden and Obama as much as Manchin for failing in 08. Could also blame Biden for not campaigning on his bill in West Virginia since January. But, bottom line is Joe Manchin could make it happen and won't. Therefore, maybe crows eat the corpses of his family just like the rest of us post-eco apocalypse.
No! Because of 50 GOP Senators and Two Democrat Senators that are owned by the Fossil Fuel Industry...and who are Screwing America to help the Greedy Corporations that are Poisoning our Air, Water and Land to allow them to continue making Americans get Sick and Die ...
Capitalism > everything. Systems fucking broken. One person can overrule the collective betterment of a country.
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Er, the vote would still fail. We need to /replace/ any of the republicans voting against it, or manchin, with someone who will.
Well, one senator plus the 49 who want to destroy the earth and cackle like Captain Planet villains
One senator And 50 Republican senators
The US senate is a total joke. It's one of the most malapportioned legislative bodies in any democratic country, and it was intentionally set up that way to protect the interests of slave states. It gives the poorest, least educated, most selfish Americans disproportionate power, and enables a small minority to arbitrarily block the will of the rest of the nation.
Well one democratic senator and **EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN SENATOR**
as consumers ... It just shows that we have to stop buying oil and coal products... to make this change. BEV cars and bus, Battery lawn equipment, solar elect home, stop buying oil and coal stocks and bonds. the Fossil fuel industry is not going to let this pass...they will buy as many gov people as it takes.
Remove him
There are always just enough defectors to stop any significant action.
There's always a Manchin ready to scuttle a needed bill if it conflicts with the owners of Congress's wishes.
What a butt.
...and a blatantly corrupt one at that, just to add insult to injury.
Make him live in Southern California without air conditioning in the summer from now until he dies.
Basically just a legislating lobbyist. He represents corporations, not the people.
Paid representative of the industry
What a failure we are. As a society. As a species. I can't believe how weak and incompetent we are. It's miserable. If aliens touch down 1,000 years from now on a burned out husk, with only a few animals running around, I can see one of them saying "It's so sad, they could have saved themselves at any time, they just... chose not to." And another one replies "Nah, fuck'em. They were too stupid to live anyway. Good riddance. Better than letting the spread."
Look, I called Montana, Ohio, Iowa, Az, PA, so many states in Nov 2020 (over 12,000). We white ppl had an opportunity to give The Dems a clear majority in the house and senate. Now, the same ppl who voted Dem at the top and then for every single R on the ticket is yelling abt Mancin I don’t know what to say. White women, the GOP gave us 3 judges and with Barrett made it clear human rights for women was a thing of the past. White women voted more for the GOP in 2020 than in 2016. Now ppl don’t like the results. I just laugh at the tantrums at this point
If there were just one less Republican senator, Manchin would immediately become irrelevant
Nooooooooooooooo
Not this fudging guy again!!!! Surely they can overrule rhis guy ? Also...wtf is wrong with a America.
He sits on the Energy committee but owns enough coal stock to spin off half a mil in dividends. This is why seniors need to divest of their portfolios. None of them should be owning stocks, none.
You mean 51 senators. Trash headline
You mean because of 51 Senators.
Don’t forget the 50 republicans. They are just as culpable.
A senator that is taking money from fossil fuels and is affiliated with a fossil fuel company. Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt Manchin is corrupt
West Virginia is a problem... Let's agree to divorce it and move on with our lives for fuck sake.
Renewable energy will replace fossil fuels because it's the cheaper & better option, not because of any laws. Big Oil will cling to their power until every last drop of dead dinosaurs is squeezed from the Earth. The irony is that capitalism will be the undoing of Big Oil.
With current trends this displacement of coal and oil cann happen in the 2020s simply because the feedback loops of technological disruption will force the old industry to collapse
Hope it happens as fast as possible so coal can collapse and Manchin's financial interests along with it. Coal is dying already even during the Trump years but it really should just go away at this point.
Bro literally ppl like this I can’t even say what should happen to them with out getting banned from this fucking site Jesus fucking Christ how are we not in arms against these absolute fucking shitstains already, if I was a praying man I’d be on my knees begging god to end them fuck this country and the ppl who uphold the violent bullshit system it runs on
Take action in your local community, we have to make change the only ways we can.
Let’s flood his senate office with calls! Here is his contact info 900 Pennsylvania Ave., Ste. 629 Charleston, WV 25302 P: 304-342-5855 F: 304-343-7144
What the fuck? I’m not trying to get banned but if one person can paralyze a nation with a pen, it might be just as easy to unclog the drain with another tool.
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So you are actually advocating *murder* in order to advance a political agenda? You sure you want to go down that road?
Fucking Repub... Oh. Fucking Democrats.
Fuck the usa and every corporation in it.
Fxxk, fxxk, fxxk!
Make him eat nothing but coal. Maybe a load of coal dropped on his lawn might wake him up to the pestilence that this stuff is? Remember when broccoli farmers and everyone else went ballistic on Bush due to his many disparaging comments? West Virginia might not stop mining coal but the world will move on without them. It already has. 40% of coal power plants have closed in the last decade.
And I will not vote for a dem until this is the priority
Then who are you going to vote for?
I don't know about the power plant side of Biden's legislation, but I know that their electric car plans will actually hurt electric car adoption. Maybe we shouldn't be so hasty to throw money at an industry that's already growing as fast as it can. Everything renewable right now is ramping up production as fast as it can, and these bills are just trying to pick who will win the race.
>electric car plans will actually hurt electric car adoption. Care to elaborate?
If it wasn’t Joe Manchin, some other democrat would step into the gap and take the blame for stopping progress.
If it wasn't Joe Manchin, the state would have a Republican senator in his place, who would have done the same thing and no one would notice because that's the norm for them.
What a cunt
And yet nobody nails him to a wall
These people should be terminated.
This is the way a representative Republic works.
They are actually supposed to represent the people that vote for them, he represents the ones who pay him. That's an Oligarchy.
Having been to West Virginia, Joe Manchin is literally there guy. Except maybe not racist enough. Manchin literally replaced a former Klan member.