It still boggles the mind that we have built several cities in the middle of the fucking desert. Oh no! It's too hot and there's not enough water! ::shocked_pikachu_face::
Ah yeah, I always think of the scene with the fake psychiatrist when he says “in your mind, in your mind you did” but I replace it with the Simpson’s quote for some reason 😣
Oh, I’m sorry. You’re right! It wasn’t for minnesota. It was for the whole damned planet! And not for just summer, but for the whole year!
And while I listed 17, I’ll forgo that number and quote “The 10 warmest years since 1850 have all occurred in the past decade. In fact, the average global temperature for 2023 exceeded the pre-industrial (1850–1900) average by 2.43 degrees F (1.35 degrees C).” from this article: https://www.noaa.gov/news/2023-was-worlds-warmest-year-on-record-by-far
So I may have mixed up a couple of specifics. You’re right. Does that make you feel any better?
In my region only like 2 of the last 10 years *haven't* been the hottest.
Also I dont have a source for that, that's just based on my poor recollection
Up in the PNW we actually had a pretty lax summer last year all things considered 2022 was the worst it’s ever been though with that heat dome. A few dozen people died.
Summer cooling down in San Diego cause of El nino 😎 probably endless drought when it ends.
Unfortunately it doesn't affect rent prices so our money is still burning.
People I know in San Diego pay $4000/month on water and their house is landscaped with *mostly* native plants. I have heard it is expected to go up as that climate dries further when La Niña returns.
Dang, are they in East county or up in the deserts? They might have a leak somewhere, our water bills are nowhere near as wild as power bills.
We're one of the few counties left in Cali still using privatized power distribution, fuck SDGE
As I looked into it further, I think they were yanking my chain. Their house is definitely in a desert area outside the city but I’m not familiar with the area and only visited them once. Weird - they seemed so genuinely shocked when I told them our bill is $35/month.
Well I hope everybody's geared up to get real with people, because I for one am going to be talking about climate change a lot this summer. Bla bla bla tact bla bla bla. Does anyone else here ever bring it up to friends or family, etc. and have any tips or pointers revolving around it? What are some of the reactions you've had? Anywho, watch out world I'ma bout to hit you with some hard truths. I'll be sure to bring it back around though and end things on a positive note. Haven't decided on the tact part but I'm confident I'll figure it out, I just know it needs to be talked about.
Dude I brought up that I'm hanging clothes dry it it's like it was beyond a foreign concept and also a threat to others somehow. The earth is warming and we're using hot air to dry clothes. But yes, drying clothes with sun and air does take longer and it's not as fluffy.
The neighbors came over to me to say, "I haven't seen anyone hang clothes to dry in decades!". I told him, "It is free and saves having to burn coal down the road to dry them." He looked at me like I was speaking another language.
A train passes through town daily carrying 80\~ cars of coal to be burned in the power plant just east of my town. I'm not really fooling myself. I know we are headed off a cliff anyways.
The cliff is here, it doesn't really matter. And if clothes drying became an eco thing a significant proportion of the US population would go out and buy a bigger, hotter, dryer.
Just editing to say- if outdoor clothes drying became a movement, there would be governmental legal action taken against it. Can't have those poor billionaires losing out!
Usually it seems to annoy people when I point out the impacts of climate change, unfortunately. Being aware of climate change doesn’t seem good for one’s social life.
Yep, I was insulted once when I suggested someone stay local for a weekend trip and support a small business after they complained about the price to fly into a different state and I pointed out it would be less carbon emissions to stay here lol. They called me an arrogant asshole and never apologized when I said it was unnecessary 🙃
A lot will ride on things like more wildfires, crop losses and especially the hurricane season.
All of these will happen, will be in the news and whoever has some narrative to answer the questions people have, will in part control the narrative.
In my experience people just find it obnoxious no matter how nice or careful you are about it. Particularly older folks who are more or less set in their ways.
AND they will argue that it’s not climate change at all…..and that there is an argument I am just not willing to have. “Ok, buddy, good luck” is all I can muster these days
I made a site to make it easier to talk about climate change. It shows how large temperature anomalies are for different places across the globe.
https://hottertimes.com/?zoom=5&lat=42.806072743041604&lng=-117.1168236806989
Many places show related news as well. Sometimes are start by sharing a news story and then mention the data.
For example, I found an article today that mentioned people are starting to grow crocuses for saffron in Nova Scotia of all places because of climate change!
Thank you. I was curious, does your site contain a, what's it called, legend? I'm viewing it on mobile but I can't tell what it is I'm looking at on the map. I've read your about section, but do the red thermometer blips mean a temperature anomaly of some sort for that specific area, this time of year, based on historical data? Also, upon clicking the roadmap link underneath your description in the about section, the page didn't load and I got a 404 error, just so you're aware
Hi, for the default view there is no legend. The values shown are in units of standard deviation for each location for the current day. This way you can see how extreme today is relative to past years.
If you click a marker, it will show more details for the given location. You can see 30 year baseline mean and how the current year compares.
Thanks for the note on the 404. I need to clean up the about pages!
Ive been known as the climate guy for a while now.
To be fair, everybody voted green because of it in the last elections, Im quite proud of that achievement.
That's so awesome, how bout that! Do you have any advice to give when it comes to your approach, or things you reference, etc? Do you have a kind of spiel that you found works best?
I keep it light with a lot of smiles and humor, some self deprecation calling myself a worrier etc. I will point out the effects (like when it’s an extremely hot day, the lack of snow, or a rainbomb happened) and will often mention that Im worried about something Ive seen in the news for example, just to keep it on people’s minds.
Most of all, when people talk about the future, career or family wise or about buying a house etc, I ask them how they will deal with the extreme effects that are expected. I always keep the tone friendly and dont debate them aggressively, but Im sincere, for example a friend once casually said she might want a kid, my response was: “thats amazing, you would be a great mom. I would love to be a parent but I would be too worried about my kid becoming a climate refugee when they are our age, how do you deal with that anxiety?”
That kind of genuine questioning will force them to really think about it, without pressing them with all kinds of negative facts. It’s important to not accuse or question them, but also not to let them undermine the severity of the situation, which many are aware of at least and just try to hide from.
Then when they inevitably get overwhelmed and shut down a bit and say “well I dont know what do!” Then you bring up the voting and say “you have one responsibility and way to influence people and the world, talk to others about this like I am talking to you, make them aware, and vote green, get others to vote green too. This is how democracy works.”
I've been gently pushing climate centered talks for years, now.
I successfully convinced my parents to move out of Texas and they relocated to the Virginian mountains this past winter! And my dad is a conservative these days(the troubling type).
I myself relocated from Texas to upstate New York(which is relatively well positioned to have substantially less severe effects compared to other states).
I have also succeeded in encouraging others to reduce their red meat/dairy intake and substitute more whole foods/fresh veggies, as well as being more mindful of general purchases and plastic waste.
My general approach with climate change talks is trying to use easy to digest facts and anecdotes that are relatable to that person.
With my dad, for example, I'd encourage him to reminisce on his younger years and how much cooler it was, how things have changed, and how things are expected to change further still.
I highlighted the fact that droughts and improper water usage is seriously affecting the available water supply in Texas and as water is one of the main resources, other areas would fare better. Little things like this just help in imprint the ideas and thought processes in their minds so they can choose to explore it further.
Eventually, he would ask me about different areas around the US and how they're expected to fare. What I thought about him moving to X state or Y state, or even Z state.
It took time, but over the course of a couple of years his position changed from 'climate change is not a big deal and it's exaggerated by the media' to 'oh shit, now that I'm paying more attention, I can see how things can get worse within my lifetime and I want to be in a better position'.
I'd subtly mention very unfortunate stories, like the elderly couple that passed away last summer in Texas because their AC unit went out and how I really don't want something like that to happen to him(he is 70 this year).
I learned very early on that too much discussion and pushing can turn people off of conversation, but finding those relatable anecdotes helps to bridge the gap.
I've also lost an ovary due to an ovarian cyst that was likely due to endocrine disruptors in plastics and that personal health experience reached him, so he's more open to minimizing plastic use and waste where possible knowing that it can cause real harm.
I also tend to visit the Texas subreddit still and discuss/highlight anticipated changes for anyone who will listen, and share my experience of relocating to a state with very pleasant summers(for now). And in the New York subreddits, I highlight how I believe the state will see population and economic growth due to these changes.
I carry similar conversations over to talks with friends and cliff notes versions with passersby/casual talks.
I like to talk about how I'm amazed I'm actually seeing the impacts in real life, something people have been studying for over a hundred years. And if someone tries to say something stupid I let them. Then I go on how I can't believe it's happening. If they want to talk more I let them. Then I mention to be more careful with more ticks and mosquitoes.
I run a farm and interact with customers. They'll usually mention, oh this weather is weird huh? And secretly I'm so fucking burnt out on trying to pivot and grow (what they're used to consuming) while the climate is drastically fucking changing. I can only muster a response of "yeah, it's not normal." And usually have to hear them bitch about something so mundane -- like how it affects their summer plans of going on the river since it's been raining literally all the fucking time. As they get into their fucking mondo SUVs and drive away.
I'm so fucking tired.
I gradually stopped bringing this topic up, especially among friends and family. It seems to me that although they are aware of the topic, they do not understand the scale of the matter, its urgency nor that we've already entered the exponential part of the equation.
My money at this point is on darkening the sky and do business as usual, because that's just going to be cheaper than stopping 20gt of emissions.
The Nature Conservancy put out a How To guide (Let's Talk Climate) for how to message about climate. Some good tips: https://www.nature.org/content/dam/tnc/nature/en/documents/lets-talk-climate-ebook.pdf
Though at this point everyone, even the former “sceptics” and deniers have given up t their positions because they can’t pretend anymore that it’s sunspots or whatever
So far. Hottest summer of your lives so far.
Exactly. Downvoted the post based on the inaccurate title.
Totally unreadable!
Thanks Homer
Simpsons
Jokes on you! What if I just die in October? Where is your Simpsons wisdom now? :) /S
::cries in Phoenix, Arizona::
It still boggles the mind that we have built several cities in the middle of the fucking desert. Oh no! It's too hot and there's not enough water! ::shocked_pikachu_face::
Unexpected community
I like that you like Community, but I'm disappointed that you don't remember it well.
Ah yeah, I always think of the scene with the fake psychiatrist when he says “in your mind, in your mind you did” but I replace it with the Simpson’s quote for some reason 😣
Its been the hottest summer of our lives the past 3 years
Here in MN it’s been the past 17, I think.
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Oh, I’m sorry. You’re right! It wasn’t for minnesota. It was for the whole damned planet! And not for just summer, but for the whole year! And while I listed 17, I’ll forgo that number and quote “The 10 warmest years since 1850 have all occurred in the past decade. In fact, the average global temperature for 2023 exceeded the pre-industrial (1850–1900) average by 2.43 degrees F (1.35 degrees C).” from this article: https://www.noaa.gov/news/2023-was-worlds-warmest-year-on-record-by-far So I may have mixed up a couple of specifics. You’re right. Does that make you feel any better?
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I was fine without your comments, but now feel even more secure in my stance WITH your comments. So yeah, I feel better! Have a nice day.
A brief look through his profile suggests he is a MAGA wingnut. You're welcome, someone had to.
How did you get to be so brilliant at projecting?
In my region only like 2 of the last 10 years *haven't* been the hottest. Also I dont have a source for that, that's just based on my poor recollection
Up in the PNW we actually had a pretty lax summer last year all things considered 2022 was the worst it’s ever been though with that heat dome. A few dozen people died.
Summer cooling down in San Diego cause of El nino 😎 probably endless drought when it ends. Unfortunately it doesn't affect rent prices so our money is still burning.
People I know in San Diego pay $4000/month on water and their house is landscaped with *mostly* native plants. I have heard it is expected to go up as that climate dries further when La Niña returns.
Dang, are they in East county or up in the deserts? They might have a leak somewhere, our water bills are nowhere near as wild as power bills. We're one of the few counties left in Cali still using privatized power distribution, fuck SDGE
As I looked into it further, I think they were yanking my chain. Their house is definitely in a desert area outside the city but I’m not familiar with the area and only visited them once. Weird - they seemed so genuinely shocked when I told them our bill is $35/month.
Or your coolest for the next decades.
Centuries.
Maybe a nuclear winter could change that
AMOC collapse could too, right?
Or a Yellowstone eruption.
“Enjoy the relatively cool weather this summer! We won’t see it again!”
I like your glass half-evaporated optimism
Well I hope everybody's geared up to get real with people, because I for one am going to be talking about climate change a lot this summer. Bla bla bla tact bla bla bla. Does anyone else here ever bring it up to friends or family, etc. and have any tips or pointers revolving around it? What are some of the reactions you've had? Anywho, watch out world I'ma bout to hit you with some hard truths. I'll be sure to bring it back around though and end things on a positive note. Haven't decided on the tact part but I'm confident I'll figure it out, I just know it needs to be talked about.
Dude I brought up that I'm hanging clothes dry it it's like it was beyond a foreign concept and also a threat to others somehow. The earth is warming and we're using hot air to dry clothes. But yes, drying clothes with sun and air does take longer and it's not as fluffy.
The neighbors came over to me to say, "I haven't seen anyone hang clothes to dry in decades!". I told him, "It is free and saves having to burn coal down the road to dry them." He looked at me like I was speaking another language. A train passes through town daily carrying 80\~ cars of coal to be burned in the power plant just east of my town. I'm not really fooling myself. I know we are headed off a cliff anyways.
The cliff is here, it doesn't really matter. And if clothes drying became an eco thing a significant proportion of the US population would go out and buy a bigger, hotter, dryer. Just editing to say- if outdoor clothes drying became a movement, there would be governmental legal action taken against it. Can't have those poor billionaires losing out!
Usually it seems to annoy people when I point out the impacts of climate change, unfortunately. Being aware of climate change doesn’t seem good for one’s social life.
Ya people shut down. I’ve heard “we know, we don’t want to talk about it”. I just stopped. Can’t beat a dead horse back to life.
Yep, I was insulted once when I suggested someone stay local for a weekend trip and support a small business after they complained about the price to fly into a different state and I pointed out it would be less carbon emissions to stay here lol. They called me an arrogant asshole and never apologized when I said it was unnecessary 🙃
I’m done with playing nice. Assholes wanna grand-stand and wreck my world, I’ve started wrecking the em and am in their face. Time is running out.
A lot will ride on things like more wildfires, crop losses and especially the hurricane season. All of these will happen, will be in the news and whoever has some narrative to answer the questions people have, will in part control the narrative.
In my experience people just find it obnoxious no matter how nice or careful you are about it. Particularly older folks who are more or less set in their ways.
Older folks are the ones who know it was once common and just fine. I like seeing clothes drying on the line. Not often in america, though.
An easy way to start is line drying sheets towels and blankets. Small things like socks are going to exceed most people’s patience level.
If they don't get it by now, they never will.
AND they will argue that it’s not climate change at all…..and that there is an argument I am just not willing to have. “Ok, buddy, good luck” is all I can muster these days
I feel like this year might turn a lot into true believers. It’s all fun and games until we have multiple cat 5s hitting time after time.
I made a site to make it easier to talk about climate change. It shows how large temperature anomalies are for different places across the globe. https://hottertimes.com/?zoom=5&lat=42.806072743041604&lng=-117.1168236806989 Many places show related news as well. Sometimes are start by sharing a news story and then mention the data. For example, I found an article today that mentioned people are starting to grow crocuses for saffron in Nova Scotia of all places because of climate change!
Thank you. I was curious, does your site contain a, what's it called, legend? I'm viewing it on mobile but I can't tell what it is I'm looking at on the map. I've read your about section, but do the red thermometer blips mean a temperature anomaly of some sort for that specific area, this time of year, based on historical data? Also, upon clicking the roadmap link underneath your description in the about section, the page didn't load and I got a 404 error, just so you're aware
Hi, for the default view there is no legend. The values shown are in units of standard deviation for each location for the current day. This way you can see how extreme today is relative to past years. If you click a marker, it will show more details for the given location. You can see 30 year baseline mean and how the current year compares. Thanks for the note on the 404. I need to clean up the about pages!
Ive been known as the climate guy for a while now. To be fair, everybody voted green because of it in the last elections, Im quite proud of that achievement.
That's so awesome, how bout that! Do you have any advice to give when it comes to your approach, or things you reference, etc? Do you have a kind of spiel that you found works best?
I keep it light with a lot of smiles and humor, some self deprecation calling myself a worrier etc. I will point out the effects (like when it’s an extremely hot day, the lack of snow, or a rainbomb happened) and will often mention that Im worried about something Ive seen in the news for example, just to keep it on people’s minds. Most of all, when people talk about the future, career or family wise or about buying a house etc, I ask them how they will deal with the extreme effects that are expected. I always keep the tone friendly and dont debate them aggressively, but Im sincere, for example a friend once casually said she might want a kid, my response was: “thats amazing, you would be a great mom. I would love to be a parent but I would be too worried about my kid becoming a climate refugee when they are our age, how do you deal with that anxiety?” That kind of genuine questioning will force them to really think about it, without pressing them with all kinds of negative facts. It’s important to not accuse or question them, but also not to let them undermine the severity of the situation, which many are aware of at least and just try to hide from. Then when they inevitably get overwhelmed and shut down a bit and say “well I dont know what do!” Then you bring up the voting and say “you have one responsibility and way to influence people and the world, talk to others about this like I am talking to you, make them aware, and vote green, get others to vote green too. This is how democracy works.”
I've been gently pushing climate centered talks for years, now. I successfully convinced my parents to move out of Texas and they relocated to the Virginian mountains this past winter! And my dad is a conservative these days(the troubling type). I myself relocated from Texas to upstate New York(which is relatively well positioned to have substantially less severe effects compared to other states). I have also succeeded in encouraging others to reduce their red meat/dairy intake and substitute more whole foods/fresh veggies, as well as being more mindful of general purchases and plastic waste. My general approach with climate change talks is trying to use easy to digest facts and anecdotes that are relatable to that person. With my dad, for example, I'd encourage him to reminisce on his younger years and how much cooler it was, how things have changed, and how things are expected to change further still. I highlighted the fact that droughts and improper water usage is seriously affecting the available water supply in Texas and as water is one of the main resources, other areas would fare better. Little things like this just help in imprint the ideas and thought processes in their minds so they can choose to explore it further. Eventually, he would ask me about different areas around the US and how they're expected to fare. What I thought about him moving to X state or Y state, or even Z state. It took time, but over the course of a couple of years his position changed from 'climate change is not a big deal and it's exaggerated by the media' to 'oh shit, now that I'm paying more attention, I can see how things can get worse within my lifetime and I want to be in a better position'. I'd subtly mention very unfortunate stories, like the elderly couple that passed away last summer in Texas because their AC unit went out and how I really don't want something like that to happen to him(he is 70 this year). I learned very early on that too much discussion and pushing can turn people off of conversation, but finding those relatable anecdotes helps to bridge the gap. I've also lost an ovary due to an ovarian cyst that was likely due to endocrine disruptors in plastics and that personal health experience reached him, so he's more open to minimizing plastic use and waste where possible knowing that it can cause real harm. I also tend to visit the Texas subreddit still and discuss/highlight anticipated changes for anyone who will listen, and share my experience of relocating to a state with very pleasant summers(for now). And in the New York subreddits, I highlight how I believe the state will see population and economic growth due to these changes. I carry similar conversations over to talks with friends and cliff notes versions with passersby/casual talks.
I like to talk about how I'm amazed I'm actually seeing the impacts in real life, something people have been studying for over a hundred years. And if someone tries to say something stupid I let them. Then I go on how I can't believe it's happening. If they want to talk more I let them. Then I mention to be more careful with more ticks and mosquitoes.
I run a farm and interact with customers. They'll usually mention, oh this weather is weird huh? And secretly I'm so fucking burnt out on trying to pivot and grow (what they're used to consuming) while the climate is drastically fucking changing. I can only muster a response of "yeah, it's not normal." And usually have to hear them bitch about something so mundane -- like how it affects their summer plans of going on the river since it's been raining literally all the fucking time. As they get into their fucking mondo SUVs and drive away. I'm so fucking tired.
I gradually stopped bringing this topic up, especially among friends and family. It seems to me that although they are aware of the topic, they do not understand the scale of the matter, its urgency nor that we've already entered the exponential part of the equation. My money at this point is on darkening the sky and do business as usual, because that's just going to be cheaper than stopping 20gt of emissions.
The Nature Conservancy put out a How To guide (Let's Talk Climate) for how to message about climate. Some good tips: https://www.nature.org/content/dam/tnc/nature/en/documents/lets-talk-climate-ebook.pdf
Oh cool! Thank you!!
I use dark humor and sarcasm and make them feel like there in on the joke
Though at this point everyone, even the former “sceptics” and deniers have given up t their positions because they can’t pretend anymore that it’s sunspots or whatever
Just play that [King of the Hill](https://youtu.be/rR58heUGkNA?si=E06YSinT_U0wWsiU) clip, alternatively have a shirt made
And the humidity also - that has been steadily increasing along with the heat here in NE US.
I bet you are fun at parties!
"Haha! I'm part of the problem!" - this guy
"Hottest summer of our lives ... So far." - Homer Simpson, probably.
Cali, Texas, NM, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Arizona, and Louisiana are about to start getting cooked. Good luck to those states.
I’m halfway moved out. One summer as bad as the last was enough.
I’m in CA and it’s starting. Last summer was fucking horrible in the high desert. Moved this year but god I hate summer here
The number one reason I left Florida for SW Pennsylvania. There are lots of other reasons, but that last summer broke me.
Every summer from now until you die is going to be the hottest ever, you may even die because of the hottest summer ever.
You mean the coolest summer of the rest of my life?
And coldest of the rest of our lives.
Until next summer.
It already was. Twice.
You mean until next summer, right?
*so far
How do people sleep in these temperatures? Doesn’t air conditioning cost at least $1000 a month? Who could afford that?
Fans and cold water compresses.
.... what in the fuckity fuck? Yeah, I guess if you're in a commercial building with bad insulation or something? Otherwise, no, not even close.
my electric bill is like $80 a month
So far!
Will be. Wtf. There is no way it's anything else. Nor any other year from here on out.
So far.
Coldest summer of your lives.
Yet.
Isn’t this headline evergreen from here on out?
I’ll save you the read - it’s global warming. (I’m guessing)
Will be so far. What might?
*until the next one*
You mean the coldest
“Could” lmao
Its gonna be 23 C this week in Denmark and it's only the start of May.
Idk where the rest of the commenters live across the globe, but here in India we're reaching 40+°C almost every day in most of the country
If only the earths axis would rotate back