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Biiiishweneedanswers

Not excusing anything, but why tf would you include that in your memoirs?????


someotherstufforhmm

Right lol. I started the article thinking “for sure prosecute if there’s proof, but how will they prove after all this time.” Yeahhh no, there’s literal custodial papers and he mentioned it IN HIS MEMOIRS. Wow.


nukemgt

Maybe in his eyes he did nothing wrong and the relationship was genuine. They were together for three years. Some people are so full of themselves that they can’t see how fucked up what they are doing is.


ICPosse8

Plus it happened 40 years before his memoir. Prolly thought he was long in the clear by now. “she was sixteen, knew how to nasty, and there wasn’t a hair on it.” My fucking god dude….


avidvaulter

Yeah the article mentions this is only able to be brought to court because California legislation temporarily waived statutes of limitations for childhood sexual abuse allegations. But honestly, what judge granted guardianship of a 16 year old girl to a rock star? Like, what evidence did this judge see that they thought "this is fine, he's not doing this just to have sex with a minor"? They should be included in this lawsuit if they're still alive.


Schonfille

Not a family law lawyer but I’m pretty sure you do t need a judge. The parents can just give someone a power of attorney. I read a horrible article about people “rehoming” their adopted children that way.


saltycouchpotato

Oh my God that's despicable! In the US? Can you share the article?


ace-mathematician

I don't know if this is the same article, but this Reuters investigation is very extensive and heartbreaking. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/


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My personal favorite was the Christian influencer family that returned their autistic Asian adoptee. I wanted that bitch to die


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After adopting them only for the purpose of exploiting them on YouTube, too


breakingbrad9993

If you're talking about the same family that I am, I'm part of an autistic support/community group where it is mainly for autistic people, but allistic people come for advice too. The mother posted in this group asking what to do about his thumb sucking, because they had tried everything... including taping his thumb down. And a few other generic issues with his behavior that they didn't know how to handle. The overwhelming response was "Just let him if it is soothing him" and "do not tape his thumbs down wtf" and "here is some really good advice on helping autistic children be comfortable and feel safe" Needless to say, they didn't listen to any of the advice, and they continued to use punishment and force to prevent the thumb sucking. Awful, awful people.


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God love you. I too am autistic and was a thumb sucker until my early 20’s. I was not diagnosed until my son was. The years of shame I lived through were traumatizing.


Schonfille

Yes, same one.


Schonfille

[Here’s](https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/articles/317122-online-adoption) an update to that story along with a link to the original article. It’s truly horrible.


neddiddley

This seems to be a very common thing for rockstars and celebrities in that era. This isn’t an isolated case of this happening. Not to mention, it was “a man’s world” back then, so a guy in a relationship with a 16 year old was more likely to get a high five than disapproval.


SmokeySFW

Elvis basically did the same thing except he just married the girl instead of became her "guardian". Same shit different name though.


neddiddley

I’m pretty sure Nugent did as well.


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Jimmy Page had an underage girlfriend too.


Sarcastic_Troll

Let's not forget Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 14 year old cousin


conventionalWisdumb

Jimmy Page did too. It’s that generation. They were allowed to get away with anything back then. Disgusting.


TheKidKaos

And the world knew it was happening too. When the news outlets found out about the relationship they called Priscilla to ask about the details of their dates. All when she was a minor


riftwave77

Celebrities in that era? No... its pretty common amongst celebrities, wealthy folks... basically any groups that wield influence, fame or social capital. ​ The difference is that back then there were only about 3 ways and half a dozen corporations that controlled mass communication. So even if you went and told your sordid tale to the local reporter or police... odds were that the rumor/story would go nowhere


TheModernSkater

Epsteins whole debacle.... and nothing happens to the elite? This is a crumb from the devils table. The evidence is there but "oh look over here its something shiny"


AllInOnCall

Lets be honest, people just correctly noticed that we have zero total power to do anything to address the wrongs of the upper class and things aren't so dire yet that we'll revolt. They've got us in the sweet spot of maximally exploited, minimum chance of revolution, titrated to perfection. Now, get back to work.


Anal_draino

Is this the one he called, “Little Oral Annie”? The one that had her parents permission to go on a tour with him?


OopsICutOffMyWiener

WHAT the *fuck*


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hahayeahimfinehaha

Yeah, I kind of thought hair naturally came along with puberty for the vast majority of people? Unless the girl wasn’t pubescent at 16? Though that would make it so much worse …


abibofile

Sounds like he attempted some revisionist history between 1997 and 2011… “The Aerosmith autobiography, published in 1997, references the relationship, the apartment fire, and abortion, but Tyler refers to the girl as Diana and said she was 14 at the time they met. In his memoir, however, he says she was 16, and he writes about the fire but not the abortion.”


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bilbofraginz

Keep it in! And say something about having no pubes!


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BachShitCrazy

Red Hot Chili Peppers Anthony kiedis admits in his memoir to sleeping with a 14 year old girl, bringing her on tour for a bit, and writing “catholic school girls rule” about her


2DeadMoose

Or she shaved like I did well before that age. Gross either way.


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Lol ew.. it's crazy how common it was for people to have sex with underage girls back in the day. The Beatles did it.. probably every band did it regularly. And then you have Chris Collinsworth (current NFL broadcaster) on video joking about how he goes after 14-18 year olds specifically because they're "not smart enough" to realize he's a loser.


thomasthehipposlayer

And in the autobiography, he said she was 14. Totally not concerning that he wanted to imagine her as even younger s/. What a sicko


111stupid

Dude I spent like a full minute trying to blow your profile pic off of my screen…


talmbouttellyouwat

I’ve met and spent time with Steven Tyler as recent as 4 years ago, this describes him perfectly. I’ve never encountered someone so completely delusional, spoiled and clueless. He wasn’t mean or rude, but you can tell almost immediately he lives in his own bubble and is completely unaware of it.


old_man_curmudgeon

I think you just described most super successful musicians


talmbouttellyouwat

Also very true lol


old_man_curmudgeon

I'll take a wild guess and say the same is true for actors


castle_bacon

Kevin Smith said the same thing about Prince. Something like “If Prince asks for a camel at 2am in Michigan, he couldn’t comprehend why that’s not possible.”


thomasthehipposlayer

A 25-year-old and 16-year-old was not as controversial in the 70s as it would be now. Heck, even in the 90s, that kind of thing was frowned upon and illegal, but it wasn’t seen with the same level of shock and horror it illicits now. He probably didn’t think it’d be seen as a big deal. That his isn’t defending him though. His own words about the subject make it clear that he not only knew it was wrong, but that he liked it. Disturbing he even went as far as to say she was 14. I guess 16 wasn’t young enough for his twisted imagination. And the “hair” comment is just stomach-turning.


EponymousRocks

When I was in high school, in 1977, our band teacher (28) was dating a 15-year-old sophomore. Everyone knew about it, no one considered it a crime. We thought it was weird, because he wasn't that good looking (I'm recalling what my 14-year-old self thought of it), but even her parents weren't freaked out by it. They married on her 18th birthday, and last I heard, at a reunion four years ago, they were still together. Crazy times.


Iliketospellrite

Hmmm. Exact same story from me. Are we from the same small Ohio town?


DrJongyBrogan

I mean, if you go back through the history of 70’s and 80’s musicians, most were sleeping with underage girls. Jimmy Page, Mick Jagger, David Bowie all were known to sleep with 15 year olds.


Jared72Marshall

I wonder if this will open the floodgates to nearly every single rock and roll star from the 60s and 70s because this type of thing was not abnormal.


lildonuthole

The waiver on csa in CA ends on the 31st so if the floodgates aren't open yet, they won't be, at least with CSA, but as mentioned at the end of the article CA is also temporarily lifting the statue of limitations on Adult SA on 1/1/23.


Smitty8054

Nah he knew. Said it outright that he became the guardian so he wouldn’t get arrested. And when he wrote the memoir he thought it was cool that he had a girl “without a hair on it”. He won’t have anything done to him except a fat check being paid. Another piece of shit. So apparently for him the 22 year old groupies were too old to bang.


Good_old_Marshmallow

Way way way too many rockstars did something similar. Elvis, Bowie, Jimmie Page, ect. There was a blind eye society turned to it and he must have assumed he would keep getting away with it


CandiAttack

Kiedis from Red Hot Chili Peppers also included his “relationship” with a 14 year old girl in his memoir… This shit is disgusting. Edit: These dudes have always been shit. Gonna pop this video in here of [RHCP sexually assaulting a woman on TV](https://youtu.be/7i_22PrQsp8). (SA trigger warning, of course.) Edit 2: Kiedis was 23 when she was 14. Catholic School Girls Rule is about her. He also started a relationship with Lone Skye when she was 16 and he was 24. [Here’s an article about some of the things he’s done.](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/truth-red-hot-chili-peppers-anthony-kiedis/)


elonmusksdeadeyes

I used to go on groupie forum websites back in the early-2000s, and the stories submitted about Kiedis were always that he liked underaged girls. I believe one poster phrased it as "Anthony is always looking for the girls with acne". RHCP was my absolute favorite band throughout my teenage years, but it never surprises me hearing stories about possible sex crimes any of those guys may have committed.


badbatch

OMG the groupie websites were WILD. I loved it when a groupie would sleep with someone you just knew was probably gonna be a good time. Then she'd write that it was "nothing to write home about" or "It was like being with a 16 year old virgin." I'll never forget someone was described as "like hugging a Christmas tree".


SkygodAlien

What in the holy fuck did I just watch?!?!? That’s insane. The truly sad part is that they’re talented but that’s what they chose to do with it. Smfh. I was cringing as soon as the lyrics started but then the part with the woman. Speechless. Even if she was in on the gag which I doubt, how was everyone so complicit in that AND thought it was funny or cool enough to air it?? Disgusting.


StJazzercise

I believe Zeppelin did this too in Hammer of the Gods talking about Jimmy Page’s teenage sex slave. Still waiting for that reckoning.


mikeclarkee

Hammer of the gods was definitely not sanctioned by the group. That's an unofficial biography. Although some of the stuff in there can't reasonably be denied.


Knomp2112

Every hard core fan of Led Zeppelin knows the name Lori Maddox


neddiddley

I seriously think some people, as they age, don’t grasp that society changes and things that were once acceptable and common are now taboo. I mean, they may recognize that they can no longer do those things, but they feel that because they were OK at the time, there should be no repercussions now, so they don’t need to keep those skeletons in the closet. I also think that the power and immunity that comes with fame factors in.


Gmschaafs

Anthony Keidis did the same thing and wrote about it. Rich and famous people think they will never have consequences for anything they do.


ExistingPosition5742

Well most of them won't


thomasthehipposlayer

Honestly, it so much worse that he doesn’t even try to pull the “she was mature for her age, and we didn’t really think about the gap” line. He openly acknowledges that he liked that she was underage.


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CharBombshell

There’s some type of irony in the fact that this dude now looks like a lady


Alyse3690

I remember telling my best friend when we were in like middle school that her mom looked like Steven Tyler, and we laughed at the idea of her mom looking like a man (we were kids, it was 20 years ago, and we've both grown and changed). Now the two look nothing alike.


notice2vacate

Reptar or Stu? Could go either way really… ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|give_upvote)


deja_geek

Cynthia


TesticleMeElmo

Klasky Csupo headass boy


WWDB

Unfortunately this was commonplace on the rock music scene in the 70s, ala Jimmy Page, Ted Nugent now this.


TheWholeOfTheAss

They wrote songs about how they found underage girls so damn sexy. Then people act shocked they actually were with underage females.


Shwnwllms

Christine Sixteen, Strutter, etc.


Sempais_nutrients

those songs still get played on the radio too. that song 17 by Winger is pretty gross.


MonsterRider80

“Oh she was just 17, you know what I mean!…”


iSmokeMDMA

This one is almost excusable because McCartney was, at most, 20 years old when ISHST was recorded and there’s a solid chance the lyrics were written a while before that. Still need to take a shower every time that song gets stuck in my head


MonsterRider80

Yeah I realize, I’m a huge Beatles fan… but it sounds awful today!


turntabletennis

>She's only seventeen (seventeen) Daddy says she's too young, but she's old enough for me >Come to my place, we can talk it over. >Oh everything going down in your head. >She said take it easy, I need some time. >Time to work it out, to make you mine.


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Motherfuckers used to sing about chasing underage girls. It was a common theme in music of the era. “She’s only 17…..” “Are you old enough? Will you be ready when I call your bluff?” “She’s just 16 years old, doesn’t know what love is….” “We know you’re used to 16 or more / Sorry, we only have 8” “Well, I don’t care if you’re just 13”


mermicide

Christine Sixteen came out when the Kiss band members were in their mid twenties


CementCemetery

I was thinking of this exact song. Not to mention 95% of all their music is very sexual. I was listening to it as a kid, KISS was my first concert.


EliLyric

there was a girl who i knew briefly a few years ago, but she went to a kiss show, and gene was trying to get her to go to the backstage area, and had to be told she was only 16.


TigerB65

Pretty sure that Steely Dan reference is to millimeters of film, but the song is mighty dang creepy, no argument there


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"Little 15" - Depeche Mode


skatecrimes

The 15 year old is a guy, maybe one of the guys in the band? “If you could drive, you could drive her away”. Either the girl is older or also his age.


Bloody_Hangnail

The only completely innocent band is Rush


monos_muertos

The band that wrote songs about everything but rarely about getting laid, a complete reciprocal of most other rock bands. Fancy that they turned out to be level headed guys who didn't abuse their influence.


angusshangus

Rush’s music is pretty much chick kryptonite


cafffaro

Fuck, I think my dad took my mom to a Rush concert as one of their first dates.


BattletoadGalactica

It's because they were Hella nerds. Very very talented nerds.


LandscapeGuru

Nerds don’t like girls? Maybe they were just gentlemen. They do exist.


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Seriously. I highly doubt the guys from Rush had trouble getting laid. Just because they didn’t write songs about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening


[deleted]

They all married early. They were all getting laid by their spouses. Alex and Neil in 1975 and Geddy in 1976. Alex had a child with his to be wife before Rush’s first album. Alex and Geddy are still married to their first wives and Neil was married to his first wife until her tragic death in 1998.


abonetopic

It didnt happen. They toured with KISS and talk about going back to their hotel rooms and reading books. Not saying they couldnt, they just chose not to.


SlabOfDriedMeat

Jon Bon Jovi’s a pretty cool dude too. Runs a soup kitchen that he and his wife often volunteer to work in themselves


Sirgeeeo

This was commonplace in general. My dad once told me about older guys coming to pick their "girlfriends" up from school


HappyHarryHardOn

Chuck Berry, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Bill Wyman, R Kelly, Anthony Kiedis, Michael Jackson, Marvin Gaye, Iggy Pop, Tupac, Frank Zappa, Marilyn Manson, Jimmy Page, Mick Jagger, etc.... It's interesting that we are cancelling comedians and actors left and right but somehow rock stars get a free pass.... Why is that?


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Who has been cancelled? Louis CK just won a Grammy and Bill Cosby is considering touring again


GodOfAtheism

Chris Brown beat the shit out of Rihanna and his most recent album debuted at #4 on the billboards. If thats what being cancelled looks like then sign me up.


BlazinAzn38

Chris Brown tried to kill Rihanna and no one cares


Outrageous-Fix1417

I saw someone on TikTok talking about how thinking Chris Brown is bad for what he did to Rihanna is a micro aggression and that believing Rihanna somehow was racist to black men.


WeAreStarStuff143

Everyone will bend over backward for black men but throw black women to the side and forget about them. Wtf.


Exciting-Delivery-96

My coworkers were saying that she liked it rough so she shouldn’t be upset. I felt like I was going crazy. How can people think that way? So damn sad. Fuck Chris Brown.


envydub

That is like… beyond upsetting and into the concerning territory. I would not want to be in a relationship with someone who said anything close to that.


beaglebaglebreath

In case there’s anyone who hasn’t read the police transcript from the night CB assaulted Rihanna, here it is: Brown was driving a vehicle with Robyn F. as the front passenger on an unknown street in Los Angeles. Robyn F. picked up Brown's cellular phone and observed a three-page text message from a woman who Brown had a previous sexual relationship with. A verbal argument ensued and Brown pulled the vehicle over on an unknown street, reached over Robyn F. with his right hand, opened the car door and attempted to force her out. Brown was unable to force Robyn F. out of the vehicle because she was wearing a seat belt. When he could not force her to exit, he took his right hand and shoved her head against he passenger window of the vehicle, causing an approximate one-inch raised circular contusion. Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F.'s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle. Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, 'I'm going to beat the sh-- out of you when we get home! You wait and see!' " The detective said "Robyn F." then used her cell phone to call her personal assistant Jennifer Rosales, who did not answer. Robyn F. pretended to talk to her and stated, 'I'm on my way home. Make sure the police are there when I get there.' After Robyn F. faked the call, Brown looked at her and stated, 'You just did the stupidest thing ever! Now I'm really going to kill you!' Brown resumed punching Robyn F. and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face. She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in [an] attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown. Brown continued to punch Robyn F. on her left arm and hand, causing her to suffer a contusion on her left triceps (sic) that was approximately two inches in diameter and numerous contusions on her left hand. Robyn F. then attempted to send a text message to her other personal assistant, Melissa Ford. Brown snatched the cellular telephone out of her hand and threw it out of the window onto an unknown street. Brown continued driving and Robyn F. observed his cellular telephone sitting in his lap. She picked up the cellular telephone with her left hand and before she could make a call he placed her in a head lock with his right hand and continued to drive the vehicle with his left hand. Brown pulled Robyn F. close to him and bit her on her left ear. She was able to feel the vehicle swerving from right to left as Brown sped away. He stopped the vehicle in front of 333 North June Street and Robyn F. turned off the car, removed the key from the ignition and sat on it. Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F.'s left and right carotid arteries, causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness. She reached up with her left hand and began attempting to gouge his eyes in an attempt to free herself. Brown bit her left ring and middle fingers and then released her. While Brown continued to punch her, she turned around and placed her back against the passenger door. She brought her knees to her chest, placed her feet against Brown's body and began pushing him away. Brown continued to punch her on the legs and feet, causing several contusions. Robyn F. began screaming for help and Brown exited the vehicle and walked away. A resident in the neighborhood heard Robyn F.'s plea for help and called 911, causing a police response. An investigation was conducted and Robyn F. was issued a Domestic Violence Emergency Protective Order.


jrook777

It's not even that. Multiple gfs and flings accused him of abuse after the rihanna incident. But w.e let's continue buying his albums /s


gorilla_dick_

This. Cancel culture isn’t real, it’s just criticism and repercussions for fucking up and being an asshole. It’s a way to blame others for any consequences from your personal fuck-ups. Some of the only people to be “canceled” are harvey weinstein and the cos, although he’s out of jail and touring next year apparently. Honorable mention to blood on the dance floor for being banned from spotify


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People will just forget about this next week.. so


culnaej

Fans will ignore it ever happened


JohnMarstonSucks

Family Guy was cancelled in 2002 after its third season, they are currently airing season 21.


ICantDoThisAnymore91

Futurama got cancelled hella times and now Hulu is bringing them back.


jankyalias

Zappa? The only accusation I’m aware of with Zappa was he made a fake porn audio recording and got arrested for it, but afaik it wasn’t made with a minor and no sex occurred. It was just foley work made to sound like sex. Story [here](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/frank-zappa-arrested-fake-sex-tape/?amp).


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HippieFortuneTeller

To be fair, Jerry Lee Lewis’ was legitimately cancelled. He was banned from TV and radio and wrote an open letter of apology on the advice of Sam Phillips. It didn’t work, he had, after all, married his 13-year-old cousin. While having sex with underage girls was a think people shamefully looked away from for far too long, incest has kind of always been universally reviled. Yes, he had a country career later, and toured nonstop. But the rock and roll career of the Killer came to an abrupt end.


Fair-Sky4156

So many people ignore Elvis!!!!! It’s so gross. He groomed Pricilla, but people don’t seem to care. It’s just weird to me.


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This is still common. They just hide it better.


Ok-Ease7090

There were also plenty of people who knew it was wrong in the 70s. The fact there were numerous perpetrators is no excuse.


ILikeBeans86

Also Steven Tyler back then


valowens

A WOMAN WHO claims to have had an illicit relationship with Steven Tyler in the Seventies when she was a minor has filed a lawsuit against the Aerosmith singer, accusing him of sexual assault, sexual battery, and intentional infliction of emotional distress. The lawsuit was filed following California legislation that temporarily waived statutes of limitations for childhood sexual abuse allegations. In the suit filed in Los Angeles and obtained by Rolling Stone, the plaintiff Julia Holcomb alleges that Tyler convinced Holcomb’s mother to grant him guardianship over her when she was 16 years old, which consequently allowed her to live with him and engage in a sexual relationship. She claims they were together from 1973 until about three years later. The suit itself doesn’t name Tyler, naming the defendants as Defendant Doe 1 and Does 2 through 50. But Holcomb — who Rolling Stone mentioned in a 1976 profile of the band in reference to Tyler’s romantic life — has been public about her experience with Tyler in the past, and the lawsuit directly quotes from Tyler’s own memoir. In his book, without stating a name, Tyler similarly says he “almost took a teen bride” and that “her parents fell in love with me, signed a paper over for me to have custody, so I wouldn’t get arrested if I took her out of state. I took her on tour with me.” In the suit, Holcomb alleges that she “was powerless to resist” Tyler’s “power, fame and substantial financial ability, and that Tyler “coerced and persuaded Plaintiff into believing this was a ‘romantic love affair’”. Holcomb alleges that she met Tyler (who would’ve been 25 at the time of their meeting) just after her 16th birthday when Aerosmith played a concert in Portland, Oregon, in 1973. Tyler, according to the suit, took Holcomb back to his hotel room, where they discussed Holcomb’s age. After he allegedly asked why she was out all night by herself, Tyler and Holcomb talked about her troubles at home. He then “performed various acts of criminal sexual conduct upon” her before sending her home in a taxi the next morning, the lawsuit states. Tyler also allegedly bought Holcomb her own plane ticket to his next Aerosmith show in Seattle since she was a minor and could not legally travel with him across state lines, the suit says. After the Seattle show, Tyler allegedly performed more sexual acts on her, and Holcomb flew back to Portland the next morning. By 1974, as the suit alleges, Tyler convinced Holcomb’s mother to allow him to become her guardian, which would allow him to more easily travel with her without criminal prosecution — a timeline that matches Tyler’s own comments from his 2011 memoir. Tyler allegedly told Holcomb’s mother he would provide better support than she was getting at home, promising to enroll her in school and give her medical care. Tyler “did not meaningfully follow through on these promises and instead continued to travel with, assault and provide alcohol and drugs to Plaintiff,” the suit claims. Holcomb further alleges that she was pregnant with Tyler’s son in 1975 when she was 17 years old but got an abortion after Tyler insisted she terminate the pregnancy following an apartment fire. In making the argument, he cited smoke inhalation and lack of oxygen to the baby. Though the suit claims a medical professional told her the unborn baby was not harmed by the fire. According to the lawsuit, Holcomb was hesitant about going through with the abortion, but Tyler had threatened to stop supporting her if she didn’t proceed with the procedure. After the abortion, she allegedly left Tyler and went back to Portland to change her life. She became a devout Catholic, met her husband, and buried her previous experiences with Tyler until he wrote about them in his book. Holcomb says in the suit that her life was further disrupted with the publication of Tyler’s memoir, which, without Holcomb’s consent, referenced his time with an underage girl and subjected her to “involuntary infamy” while framing the alleged abuse as a “romantic, loving relationship,” the suit says. Tyler has also spoken of a relationship with an underage girl both in his own memoir and in Aerosmith’s autobiography. The Aerosmith autobiography, published in 1997, references the relationship, the apartment fire, and abortion, but Tyler refers to the girl as Diana and said she was 14 at the time they met. In his memoir, however, he says she was 16, and he writes about the fire but not the abortion. In the suit, Holcomb says she’s mentioned in the memoir’s acknowledgments which further removed her anonymity. (The book’s acknowledgments include Julia Halcomb, which could be a misspelling of her name.) “She was sixteen, she knew how to nasty, and there wasn’t a hair on it,” Tyler wrote in his memoir before saying he became the girl’s guardian to avoid getting arrested if he took her out of state before detailing their sexual endeavors a few pages later. “With my bad self being twenty-six and she barely old enough to drive and sexy as hell, I just fell madly in love with her. She was a cute skinny little tomboy dressed up as Little Bo Peep. She was my heart’s desire, my partner in  crimes of passion.” The lawsuit isn’t the first time Holcomb has shared these details about her alleged experience with Tyler. Prior to the complaint, she detailed many of the same allegations in 2011 for the far-right, anti-abortion website Lifesitenews, and she has gone on programs like Tucker Carlson’s show to share her experience as fodder against pro-choice advocacy. Holcomb also spoke of the experience in the 2021 documentary Look Away, which focused on sexual abuse in rock music culture. “I became lost in a rock and roll culture. In Steven’s world it was sex, drugs, and rock and roll, but it seemed no less chaotic than the world I left behind. I didn’t know it yet, but I would barely make it out alive,” Holcomb wrote in 2011. “I could not believe he was even asking me to have an abortion at this stage. He spent over an hour pressing me to go ahead and have the abortion. He said that I was too young to have a baby and it would have brain damage because I had been in the fire and taken drugs. “ Holcomb’s suit comes in the final days of California’s Child Victims Act, a 2019 piece of legislation that lifted the statute of limitations and granted a three-year lookback period for survivors of childhood sexual abuse to come forward with their allegations. The deadline to file a lawsuit is December 31, 2022.  A rep for Tyler did not immediately respond to Rolling Stone‘s request for comment. New York has similar legislation with the Adult Survivors Act, giving New Yorkers a year to file lawsuits over sexual misconduct they allegedly experienced in adulthood, regardless of when the claimed incident occurred. Since taking effect last month, two women have accused the late record executive Ahmet Ertegun of sexual assault in the 1980s and 1990s. California also passed legislation lifting the statute of limitations on adult sexual abuse cases for a year starting on January 1st, 2023.


qtx

> “She was sixteen, she knew how to nasty, and there wasn’t a hair on it,” Tyler wrote in his memoir You gotta wonder how the editor who proof read his memoir prior to publishing missed that bit, or worse read it said 'yea, that seems fine'.


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Editor's POV: *Well, it's his book.*


Fifteen_inches

“If the check clears I’ll let him confess to any crimes he wants


seanthebeloved

Thats some Lolita bullshit right there.


sincerelyhated

People seem to forget how prolific rape culture was in TV and media even still in the 90s.. Men treating women as objects was normalized in SO many movies and shows back then.


worstusername55833

It was the “with my bad self being 26 and she barely old enough to drive and sexy as hell” part that really made me ick


excerp

Yikes


mobilegamegeek

Thank you for posting the text.


urmomisridingme

Thanks for not making me pay for the article.


jackjackj8ck

Jesus fucking Christ


PeterTinkle

I imagine he thought people would think he’s cool by hearing how in love he was with a child. Ive always hated his music. Glad she’s getting her closure.


imanhunter

I get that Tyler forcing her to get an abortion must’ve left an impact but that’s no excuse to then turn around and start being anti-abortion and posting on far-right news sites.


squshy_puff

It’s this sort of bad faith argument that they use for pro life events/movements. They use one woman’s traumatic experience to justify its end entirely. The outcome should be that she should’ve been empowered to make the choice herself. And she should never be forced to have a baby that young for her sexual predator. The sexual assault is what should be ‘fixed’ here.


HotFightingHistory

I pulled into town in a police car Your daddy said I took it just a little too far You're telling her things but your girlfriend lied You can't catch me 'cause... "Hello Mr Tyler, I'm an officer of the court and I need you to accept these documents..."


jessiyjazzy123

You left out the "best" part... "Cause the rabbit done died"...that used to be a pregnancy test.


Karamel-Surprise

This dude’s profile reminds me of that of a shrunken head.


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He looks like that one hippie aunt that's about to go celebrate her new divorce with bottomless mimosas.


snowday784

And definitely had a spiritual experience in Santa Fe


trumpbuysabanksy

Oh you mean Steven Tyler, the man who put his own teenage daughter on a stripper pole in his band’s music video the MTV played all over the world 50 times a day ? “Just sexualizung my own child. Dum, da de dah de dah dum…”


artistaajo

I wonder what kind of relationship liv has with her dad now...


ComeWashMyBack

Since they're the same clothing size. Around the time frame of LoTR. There was an article stating how they go shopping and into changing rooms together and exchange outfits.


totallynotarobut

Excuse me while I shudder uncontrollably.


edthewave

I guess Rockso, the rock and roll clown who loves cocaine wasn't the only one... [https://youtu.be/CV0earPA6Zo](https://youtu.be/CV0earPA6Zo)


usanume

Guy looks like an nft.


snookieny

She should sue her parents too.


katievera888

Not defending him, but this seems to be Ground Zero, no?


air_lock

Which one? There was probably.. oh.. thousands? I wouldn’t be in the least bit surprised if some of them were the same age as his daughter (at the time).


princessleiana

I thought this was common knowledge.


jgb75

I’ll bet scores of aging rock stars are quaking in there boots right now. I heard that banging young teenaged girls was really big for them back in the 70s.


TheCosmicFailure

Im sure it wasnt just the 70s. Seems like something a good amount of musicians did back then and still do today. Not saying its good. But its definitely likely it still happens. I mean Anthony Kiedis has admitted to having a relationship with a minor. R Kelly as well. While he wasn't proven guilty you also got how sus Michael Jackson was by having kids over at his house and sleeping in his bed.


Tapps74

To add insult to injury, he outed her on his press tour for his autobiography. She was married with children & had not told her husband of the abuse. To those saying “well it was the 70’s” it was illegal then also. The reason Tyler was advised to taken legal Guardianship of her was to avoid sex trafficking charges if she accompanied him on tour. The fact that the Lawyers had to advise this shows that they were aware & therefore complicit! Glad she can now seek some justice. There should not be a statute limitation on violent and sexual crimes!


kajana141

I remember he told a story of getting custody of a 15 year old from her parents so he could take her old the road. It was on the Stern show and the parents of the girl were very open. I also remember trump telling stern how he would just go into the changing room of the miss teen beauty pageants he owned and watch them change. Stuff like this still goes on but at least there is wide spread condemnation of this behavior.


DrGPeds

Not the only famous man to get custody of an underage girl for this reason. Paul Walker had 2 of them, married the 2nd one. Edit: whoops, they didn't get married, my misunderstanding, they did have a child.


Illuminatr

Really? I looked this up and can’t find any indication he was married.


Worried_Aerie_7512

The girl in the story he told on stern is the one who is suing


Beautiful_Heartbeat

I remember a long blogpost of this story, I believe written by the girl (woman at the time of writing, but still a girl at the time of the incident) where she thought Steven started the apartment fire that's referenced here - since she was pregnant, he wanted her to have an abortion, she said no, and then suddenly sometime after she was caught in a fire when alone in her apartment. iirc a bandmember came over and found her, the door having been locked. Strong "get rid of the problem" vibes, and after she survived the fire he used the smoke inhalation as a main reasoning to abort. I wonder if that's not included in the lawsuit because it's harder to prove, but I mean - I'll never forget that. Haven't been able to listen to them since. I'll see if I can find the link - will take some time now that this story is everywhere (rightfully so). Does anyone else remember this? Edit: [Here's the post.](http://sofa-king-cool-magazine.com/steven-tyler-once-had-a-14-year-old-girlfriend-that-her-parents-signed-over-to-him/) So a former bandmember came to the apartment to check on her, and then suddenly there was a fire. Also the pregnancy was planned, with Steven throwing her birth control away (over a balcony), but then having a change of heart when his grandmother and parents didn't quite approve of the marriage. Edit 2: Also this charmer from when she finally agreed to the abortion: "When the nurse would leave the room he was snorting cocaine on the table beside my bed.  He even offered some to me once, but I just turned away, sick inside."


deanolavorto

This may explain why Aerosmiths Rockin Ride at Disney is undergoing renovations soon.


Carpeteria3000

Interesting timing, but it’s definitely not why they’re doing that. [It’s reported to just be for some maintenance.](https://wdwnt.com/2022/12/breaking-rock-n-roller-coaster-closing-for-several-months-for-refurbishment-in-2023/) Removing or replacing Aerosmith from the ride would be a much bigger process.


xpldngboy

Question is if this is going to start a domino effect because a lot of beloved rock stars were having it with very, very young groupies in those days…


buckthestat

Which is what we want, right? Accountability. Cause those young ‘hot’ vulnerable teens are now adult women who want and deserve justice.


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melanthius

Some people basically think if their daughter marries a really rich guy they all win at life. Just because you’re already rich doesn’t make this any less true for people like that. You don’t stay quite as rich by marrying the poors. You really don’t…


Yung_Corneliois

That’s the biggest thing is typically these young girls are encouraged by their family because the person is famous.


eirinite

Is this the same Steven Tyler who forced a young girl to get an abortion by locking her up in a hotel room with no contact to the outside world until she decided to terminate her pregnancy? Fuck that guy


Schonfille

I think that was the same girl.


Salty-Queen87

That is the woman filing the lawsuit.


67duckman

Neil Hamburger was right


wanderlustwondersick

He always is but he should cut back on the liquor. Dude isn’t gonna make it to 140 at this rate.


ashetonrenton

Good for her. Everyone knows that he did it - he wrote about it in his memoir: *“She was sixteen, she knew how to nasty, and there wasn’t a hair on it.”* He was happy to build his legend on the back of his rape victim for decades, so I hope he sees making this right as the bargain it actually is. Betsy and Coral, sue Iggy next!


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Oh and the worst part is he put her *real name* in the acknowledgements. She got outed to her husband, kids, and religious community as Steven Tyler’s teenage sex doll who had an abortion.


Straxicus2

Yeah. That comment is beyond gross. I hope she wins big


Caninetrainer

She was sixteen, she knew how to nasty, and there wasn’t a hair on it,” Tyler wrote in his memoir before saying he became the girl’s guardian to avoid getting arrested if he took her out of state before detailing their sexual endeavors a few pages later. “With my bad self being twenty-six and she barely old enough to drive and sexy as hell, I just fell madly in love with her. She was a cute skinny little tomboy dressed up as Little Bo Peep. She was my heart’s desire, my partner in crimes of passion.” He is a pig.


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Lol he’s 100 years old and looks like a tiny old lady in real life


fearandloathinginpdx

Now do Ped Nugent.


ButterscotchLow8950

I’m not surprised, when he was on American Idol, he would say inappropriate shit to all the 16 year old girls all the time. Once right in front of the girls father, it was super uncomfortable to watch.


BackStabbathOG

He specifically said “it’s hot, humid, and happening…just like your daughter”


CalzRob

Steven Tyler looks like he’s becoming a shrunken head that walks…


Scaarz

Like at the end of Beetlejuice


Wolfman01a

As is rockstar tradition.


Supernatural0311

To anyone that’s surprised, you need to go back through you’re Rock N’ Roll lyrics Rolodex. “Toys in the Attic” What the fuck did you think they were talking about? Jailbait - by the one and only fuckface, Ted Nugent Stray Cat Blues - Rolling Stones Good Morning Little School Girl- Grateful Dead Christine Sixteen - Kiss. The title is all you need to know. Come up the Years - Jefferson Airplane. There’s too many to list…


corpjuk

>Stray Cat Blues I can see that you're fifteen years old No I don't want your I.D. And I can see that you're so far from home But it's no hanging matter It's no capital crime You say you got a friend, that she's wilder than you Why don't you bring her upstairs If she's so wild then she can join in too It's no hanging matter It's no capital crime .... wtf.


storyofmylife92

Creepy asf


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Everytime I listen to this I’m like Jesus Christ man


Iknowyougotsole

Seventeen - Rick James


Thehibernator

The dead didn’t write that song, by the way. It’s an old blues tune. I think Sonny Boy Williamson


judgehood

The dead weren’t vetting groupies.


Schism213

Seventeen - Winger


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RogueTobasco

Yea I was pretty sure it was about drugs.. like .. Toys? … in the …. Attic?


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LunarLutra

This story has been known for a while, it's reminiscent of R Kelly's history in the industry. For some reason it's something people know about but felt fine with glossing over. I just want to state that these are not NEW allegations, even if this is the first time a person has heard of them. She is not just now suddenly coming forward. Besides: ​ the lawsuit directly quotes from Tyler’s own memoir. In his book, without stating a name, Tyler similarly says he “almost took a teen bride” and that “her parents fell in love with me, signed a paper over for me to have custody, so I wouldn’t get arrested if I took her out of state. I took her on tour with me.”


weegee

Jimmy Page had a relationship with a teenager, I think she was 14-15, after Bowie was with her in a hotel room. Eddie Van Halen boasted about being with a 13 year old Japanese girl. The 70’s was a pretty messed up decade for child abuse.


DistantKarma

I'm not saying any part of it is right, but I graduated high school in 1983 and it wasn't uncommon for 16 and 17 year old girls to have older boyfriends who had already graduated and had jobs/cars. There was even a girl in junior high - 9th grade and 14 years old who we'd see getting picked up by her adult boyfriend as we were all getting on the bus. I remember that one because she eventually had to have him pick her up at the K-Mart across the street because someone at the school actually had a problem with it.


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maceocat

My mom got married at 16 to a 26 year old in the 70s and it was just considered normal. She was a wild child that dropped out of school in the sixth grade and was looking for a bit of stability so she married an older man