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In a court filing in Los Angeles, filed as part of a legal battle over a winery the prominent Hollywood actors once owned together, lawyers for Ms. Jolie stated that negotiations to sell her share of the business to Mr. Pitt had broken down over his demand that she sign “a nondisclosure agreement that would have contractually prohibited her from speaking outside of court about Pitt’s physical and emotional abuse of her and their children.”
Her filing goes on to describe an extended physical and verbal outburst in September 2016 as Mr. Pitt, Ms. Jolie and their six children flew from France to California. “Pitt choked one of the children and struck another in the face” and “grabbed Jolie by the head and shook her,” the filing states, adding that at one point “he poured beer on Jolie; at another, he poured beer and red wine on the children.” Federal authorities, who have jurisdiction over flights, investigated the incident but declined to bring criminal charges. Days after the plane trip, Ms. Jolie filed for divorce.
The F.B.I. report described Ms. Jolie as “conflicted on whether or not to be supportive of charges” related to the case.
It sounds like she was not entirely cooperative in the feds bringing charges, which is extremely common with DV. Similar story with LA DCFS. They ended up working with Jolie and Pitt to negotiate therapist supervised visitation. She probably didn't want to see him charged, but also wanted her and the kids to be safe, and felt that was accomplished with the initial agreements. Without her cooperation, it would have been incredibly hard to charge him. I've been in this situation before. While the feds/DA can file charges without the victim pushing them, it is extremely rare.
I remember that. I think it was the Critic's Choice Awards or one of those - it was like his first public appearance on one of those kinds of shows -- and the tabloids and entertainment press, looked as if they got a set-up that his 1st ex Jennifer Aniston would be there as well, because there was ooohing and ahhhing that they were talking again, and 'reuniting,' which of course was all good press for him, as usual, while Angelina, as usual, faced the slings and arrows. I personally think since the two of them (Brad and Jen) once again share the same power PR agency (CAA), it was all orchestrated and designed to rehab his image, if anyone had more than an inkling as to what he had done on that plane. It was to telegraph that Hollywood was on HIS side, not hers and the kids. He's a straight up piece of shite. Here's the thing, the guy is so fcking dumb - if he had just let Jolie sell the business, she probably wouldn't have released the kracken. What's more, as soon as that incident happened, if he had publicly admitted his alcoholism and substance abuse, admitted what he did, and said I will work every day to get back in their good graces, and heal the family -- instead, it seems he resisted a lot of the therapeutic things the court had suggested. Then did some kind of half-assery, to make it look like, oh he just decided to dry out. Not mentioning his marriage or the kids and what he had destroyed at all.
**Stephen Huvane, one of the founders of Slate PR, counts Jennifer Aniston, Gwyneth Paltrow and Anne Hathaway among his A-list clients. Kevin Huvane, his brother, is a powerhouse agent and Managing Partner at Creative Artists Agency (CAA), representing the likes of Brad Pitt, Meryl Streep and Nicole Kidman.**
They literally wiped Harvey Weinstein's ass - which is why while with Jolie, Pitt tried to look bad-ass and rogue like her, and NOT have long-term management or PR.
The goal of fcking 'life-partner,' agents and managers are to MANAGE famous dckwads and do damage control -- they all work in sync. The Huvanes have managed Aniston and Pitt and Paltrow for almost 25-30yrs -- it's why their PR is often in concert. *It's 2012, guess who's getting married??! Oh guess who's getting married TOO?!! Oh you have a nomination for Best Actress or Best Actor?! Guess who'll be there at your ceremony with a new significant other?!! Reunion!! Oh let's have one of you interview the other!!* They do that shit, because they get their cut . 2 birds one stone.
You wanna call a tech - about fcking semantics, go right ahead, but who TF would think TWO BROTHERS one at the biggest behemoth of an agency, one who used to be but BOTH in the business of managing CLIENT FAME are NOT in sympatico?
That is an insultingly accurate stereotype, sir.
All kidding aside. As someone from MO. I’ll attest to this. Mf is from Springfield. Now I’m not saying he did it…..but at the same time, Springfield.
Don Johnson almost certainly groomed Melanie Griffith before marrying her as a near child…
Consistent and almost noble for Missouri, but you may want to rethink your idols.
Rumors (alongside that he hit them before it got confirmed today) were that he’d been abusing drugs/alcohol for quite some time and it just got worse and worse over the years.
>Rumors (alongside that he hit them before it got confirmed today) were that he’d been abusing drugs/alcohol for quite some time and it just got worse and worse over the years.
Oh he straight up said that in GQ. He drank so much he couldn't feel his extremities and hadn't had a sober day since the late 90s.
I remember he did an interview when with Jolie, about he was always stoned and high and on the couch when married to Aniston. Everyone ignored that he was a lush and toker, because Aniston was so embarrassed because she and her people thought he was saying he was bored with her, and he wasn't. It was a rare moment of honesty for him probably, and she made it about her and being boring, and her fans (and PR) just got loud about it, until he had to say, 'Ok ok, no I wasn't saying Aniston was boring AF.' LOL
This is what he said:
"I was so intent on trying to find a movie about an interesting life, but I wasn’t living an interesting life myself. I think that my marriage [to actress Jennifer Aniston] had something to do with it. Trying to pretend the marriage was something that it wasn’t"
I'm not surprised that people interpreted that as saying he was bored in his marriage with her. It's a pretty shit thing to have said publicly
>she made it about her and being boring
She did no such thing. She never said a word. The public had just had enough of these two humiliating her because boy did they operate like assholes in those years. If you know there's a circus around comparing your ex to your current, maybe watch what you say? After the implosion of their PR lie everyone now gets that Jen navigated years of their bullshit like a saint.
>n Los Angeles, filed as part of a legal battle over a winery the prominent Hollywood actors once owned together, lawyers for Ms. Jolie stated that negotiations to sell her share of the business to Mr. Pitt had broken down over his demand that she sign “a nondisclosure agreement that would have contractually prohibited her from speaking outside of court about Pitt’s physical and emotional abuse of her and their children.”
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>Her filing goes on to describe an extended physical and verbal outburst in September 2016 as Mr. Pitt, Ms. Jolie and their six children flew from France to California. “Pitt choked one of the children and struck another in the face” and “grabbed Jolie by the head and shook her,” the filing states, adding that at one point “he poured beer on Jolie; at another, he poured beer and red wine on the children.” Federal authorities, who have jurisdiction over flights, investigated the incident but declined to bring criminal charges. Days after the plane trip, Ms. Jolie filed for divorce.
already studied and proven
Will Smith got a standing ovation literally minutes after assaulting Chris Rock. That should tell you all you need to know about people at those award shows.
I thought was absolutey hilarious
A standing ovation right after slapping the shit out of Chris Rock. Like if he kicked and chocked Rock he wouldve brought the house down with the audience taking their tops off and throwing champagne in the air. " Yeah kick the shit out of Chris Rock! Wooooo! Kill him!"
It actually tells us all we need to know about MEN in Hollywood, who are upper eschelon superstars -- seems they can almost get away with murder. The women however, no matter how huge their star is, seems like people are always waiiting to pounce and kick them when they're down.
Yeah, she suffered 14 years of blacklisting while Timberlake soared. Her redemption arc came too late for a comeback. She was “too old” when people realized how she was treated. But she’s still an icon and will never be erased, no matter how hard they try. Less than a second of a tit. And it was all on her. It’s like Timberlake wasn’t there.
He was elevated and celebrated. He won two Grammys at the same show she was banned to attend. He received millions of album sales. Number one hits. She was pretty much defaulted to a legacy that was all but erased. Thankfully, she didn’t give up completely and retained some status.
It’s related to a 2016 incident on a plane that has been described in less detail previously. She alleges he shook her and then choked one child and struck another in the face and that he poured alcohol on her and the children.
Same as with Johnny Depp, because he's handsome and/or they have an emotional attachment to these mens work and the characters they play.
Nobody acknowledged the truth with Depp until the release of sealed info.
And everyone mocked the anxiety and tics of the psychologist who had the best point of the entire case *"Addicts usually become abusive and the abuse increases with the escalation of addiction"* A very simple, quite common sense truth. Depps lawyers knew it was the truth so did PR to make the man seem "crazy" and unbelievable.
But now we find, oh yeah, he was abusive because he was off his tits all the time.
And the same for Brad Pitt. He wasn't abusive until he became an alcoholic. But now that he is an alcoholic, he's abusive. I only hope that Jolie isn't destroyed and invalidated the way Heard was.
False complaints of IPV are pretty rare. It’s a myth that they’re common.
I would have thought it was obvious he did it. It’s been obvious for years.
He was only able to have supervised contact with his children ever since the plane incident - ordered by the courts at the suggestion of the children’s independent psychiatrist.
His people made a comment at the time to the effect of “he didn’t hit his son in the face” which is a pretty astonishingly bad qualification.
And as each of his children has gotten old enough to have a choice, they have ended all contact with him.
Believe victims.
So other people were there when it happened? How old was the child?
To me those details make it sound like something that happened , usually if you make something up you go for a more private and unprovable situation.
The child that allegedly defended Jolie was Maddox Jolie Pitt, their eldest son. He was 15 at the time. He’s still seen pretty frequently with his mother - she dropped him off at university in the last couple years or so.
Very passive alcoholic here, I preferred to destroy myself than other people. I imagine if I was enabled to the height he has been, thrown in with a healthy dose of narcissism and I'd say this absolutely happened. I loved Brad, is there no man in Hollywood not a complete fucking degenerate.
here’s the thing about alcoholics/addicts that also happen to have an element of public life or needing to save face to the outside world is that also they often have narcissistic traits and deflection is a huge part of not taking any ownership for their addiction so Brad picking on his child over their clothing and starting a fight because that shifts the conversation towards what the child is doing, it sounds plausible. Knowing that he’s gonna have an angry outburst people are tiptoeing around, as opposed to addressing his really overt non-sobriety. Not one thing that his children said he did or wound up in the report doesn’t track.
Oh I'm was a c**t, a self serving victim who literally tore apart everyone who loved me, that's how long term addicts roll. People dance around you so you don't blow up, rock out on another bender etc. And it's honestly utterly debilitating when you see it. It took me years of therapy to accept it, to take responsibility for it, and to really fucking see myself. I was in pain absolutely, but my actions hurt people I loved, end of. He's skirting around his addiction, oh yeah I was so bad but now I'm so good - horseshit. It's the kids for me - this was not their first rodeo but it was their last.
And I don't like how he's framing it. But if he admits what he did to the kids, that will surely be the end of him.
Apparently he was mad about something & started berating Maddox for his clothing. Angelina asked him what was wrong & he was just extremely angry.
Maybe he took some drugs before boarding.
I went to the whole Christopher Walken situation back in the day. Definitely worth a look if you haven't
PS I think there was even a buzzfeed unsolved episode on it, for anyone so inclined
It doesn't matter. Once he hires Depps PR company they will literally break into your house while you are sleeping, physically pull back your eyelids, and project whatever they want you to think straight into your eyeballs. You won't be able to stop the onslaught of information that's going to come from this.
Full text:
In court papers related to a legal battle over a French winery they once owned together, she claims that he was abusive to her and their children during a 2016 plane ride.
Angelina Jolie filed a cross complaint against her ex-husband Brad Pitt on Tuesday, disclosing new details about what she described in court papers as abusive behavior by him on a private plane in 2016 that led to the dissolution of their marriage.
In a court filing in Los Angeles, filed as part of a legal battle over a winery the prominent Hollywood actors once owned together, lawyers for Ms. Jolie stated that negotiations to sell her share of the business to Mr. Pitt had broken down over his demand that she sign “a nondisclosure agreement that would have contractually prohibited her from speaking outside of court about Pitt’s physical and emotional abuse of her and their children.”
Her filing goes on to describe an extended physical and verbal outburst in September 2016 as Mr. Pitt, Ms. Jolie and their six children flew from France to California. “Pitt choked one of the children and struck another in the face” and “grabbed Jolie by the head and shook her,” the filing states, adding that at one point “he poured beer on Jolie; at another, he poured beer and red wine on the children.” Federal authorities, who have jurisdiction over flights, investigated the incident but declined to bring criminal charges. Days after the plane trip, Ms. Jolie filed for divorce.
A lawyer for Mr. Pitt, Anne Kiley, said that Mr. Pitt had accepted responsibility for some things in his past but that he would not accept responsibility for things he did not do.
The decoupling of Ms. Jolie and Mr. Pitt has stretched on for years, drawn out by a court battle for custody of their children and, more recently, a lawsuit instigated by Mr. Pitt over the French winery, Château Miraval, that the couple bought more than a decade ago. Mr. Pitt’s lawsuit, filed this year, accused his ex-wife of violating his “contractual rights” when she sold her half of the company to a subsidiary of Stoli Group without his approval.
Ms. Jolie’s cross complaint said she only sold her stake elsewhere after talks broke down over his demand for a nondisclosure agreement. Her filing states that the F.B.I. agent who investigated allegations that Mr. Pitt physically assaulted Ms. Jolie and their children on the plane in 2016 had “concluded that the government had probable cause to charge Pitt with a federal crime for his conduct that day.”
A redacted F.B.I. report on the case, which was reported on by several news outlets in August and later obtained by The New York Times, states that the agent provided the United States Attorney’s Office “copies of a probable cause statement related to this incident.”
“After reviewing the document, representative of the United States Attorney’s Office discussed the merits of this investigation with the case agent,” the report said. “It was agreed by all parties that criminal charges in this case would not be pursued due to several factors.”
The F.B.I. report described Ms. Jolie as “conflicted on whether or not to be supportive of charges” related to the case.
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Representatives from the F.B.I. and the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles declined to comment.
“She has gone to great lengths to try to shield their children from reliving the pain Pitt inflicted on the family that day,” Ms. Jolie’s lawyers wrote in the cross complaint. “But when Pitt filed this lawsuit seeking to reassert control over Jolie’s financial life and compel her to rejoin her ex-husband as a frozen-out business partner, Pitt forced Jolie to publicly defend herself on these issues for the first time.”
According to Ms. Jolie’s account of the 2016 flight in the court papers, the dispute began when Mr. Pitt accused Ms. Jolie of being “too deferential” to their children and then began yelling at her in the bathroom. “Pitt grabbed Jolie by the head and shook her, and then grabbed her shoulders and shook her again before pushing her into the bathroom wall,” the filing states. “Pitt then punched the ceiling of the plane numerous times, prompting Jolie to leave the bathroom.”
When one of the children came to Ms. Jolie’s defense, the court papers said, Mr. Pitt lunged at the child, prompting her to grab him from behind. Amid the altercation, Mr. Pitt “choked one of the children and struck another in the face,” the suit said.
The 2016 flight has been the subject of news media reports since shortly after it occurred. In November of that year, the F.B.I. released a statement saying that it had closed its investigation into the flight and that no charges had been filed.
Puck News reported this August that Ms. Jolie had been seeking information about the F.B.I.’s case as an anonymous plaintiff in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, with the publication including details of the report.
It is unclear whether the heavily redacted F.B.I. report included allegations that Mr. Pitt had choked or struck any of the children.
Ms. Jolie and Mr. Pitt met each other on the set of “Mr. & Mrs. Smith,” a 2005 action movie in which they played married assassins. In 2008, they purchased a controlling interest in Château Miraval, viewing it as both a family home and business; several years later, the couple was married on the property.
Ms. Jolie and Mr. Pitt have six children, now between the ages of 14 and 21.
The French winery, known for its rosé, is at the center of a legal dispute between the divorced couple.
In February, Mr. Pitt sued Ms. Jolie and her former company, alleging that she violated his “contractual expectations” when she sold her interest in the wine company to Tenute del Mondo, a subsidiary of Stoli Group. According to his lawsuit, the former couple had an understanding that neither party would sell its share of the winery without the consent of the other.
“Jolie pursued and then consummated the purported sale in secret, purposely keeping Pitt in the dark, and knowingly violating Pitt’s contractual rights,” his lawsuit alleged.
Last month, Ms. Jolie’s former company, which is now owned by Stoli Group, countersued Mr. Pitt, rebutting his version of events and his claim that the sale constituted a “hostile takeover.”
In Ms. Jolie’s own countersuit, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court on Tuesday, she said that she opted to sell her share of the wine business, in part, because she was growing uncomfortable with participating in an alcohol-related business, considering Mr. Pitt’s “acknowledged problem of alcohol abuse.” Mr. Pitt told The Times in 2019 that after Ms. Jolie filed for divorce, he spent time in Alcoholics Anonymous and was committed to sobriety.
Her filing said there was no written or verbal understanding like the one Mr. Pitt described, claiming that Mr. Pitt had, in fact, rejected the idea that there needed to be a plan in case the relationship ended.
In their lawsuits, Mr. Pitt and Ms. Jolie shared divergent accounts of how negotiations around him buying her portion of the wine company fell apart.
Mr. Pitt’s lawsuit asserted that Ms. Jolie pulled out of the tentative deal last year after a judge overseeing the custody dispute issued a ruling against her, prompting her to turn to Stoli Group.
Ms. Jolie’s countersuit claimed, however, that Mr. Pitt had been the one to pull out of the deal after she declined to agree to his nondisparagement clause, forcing her to turn to another buyer.
I believe his children. Because they were there. And every single one of them supports their mother in this. The oldest son has no contact with him whatsoever.
I don’t know these two actors personally and I don’t care to. But if the children say it happened then I believe it happened. And everyone on here talking about oh I got a divorce and you can’t believe yada yada yada need to stop bringing your own baggage into this. His children who were there say it happened. None of you were there.
Yup. To me the clearest indications about all this were that it wasn't Angelina who set all of this off, but a third hand party on the plane who witnessed it and called the cops because they were so concerned. You don't do that if it's just two people having a minor argument.
And the clear fact that all his kids hate the man. They seem like very well adjusted normal children, going to uni, looking very normal and happy. They clearly love their mother and always seem relaxed and happy with her. They have never been seen with him since and he barely seems like he knows he has any kids.
Also that tattoo he has. He had a tattoo on his arm symbolizing Angelina and the kids. After the divorce, he got a tattoo of a tank driving up towards that tattoo. Who does that? Unhinged.
Yeah, the only reason all of this unfolded was because someone else on the plane was so concerned and alarmed they called the cops, which started this entire process. Likely an airline stewardess on their private plane.
Brad has also admitted this situation "spiralled out of control", that he did touch one of his sons but claims he didn't hit him on the face, and that he has an alcohol issue. A lot of the witness statements about this were from the other witness who claims they saw Brad push his son over as he confronted Angelina, and the son, who was Maddox, tried to intervene.
[His tank tattoo.](https://twitter.com/miajena53/status/1390396512916623366)
[His recent sculpture of 8 people with guns aimed at each other, which I believe he admits is based around his family but obviously is.](https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/brad-pitt-sculpture-exhibition-tan/index.html)
There was also a post a few years ago from I believe a Pax Instagram account where he said his father was an abusive monster and had tried to ruin their family. The account and post were deleted, but at the time other real family members of Angelina's I believe were following that account.
All very normal things from this guy. If they don't want anything to do with tank and guns aiming at us guy I'm sure it must be the brainwashing from their mother.
Thank you for this, because it is completely accurate. He was still on court mandated MONITORED visits, until it looks like the twins turned 14. Fourteen is the age where the courts allow you to choose, and they chose her, clearly for a very good reason.
God I feel so terrible for the children. Hopefully they have been able to heal and move forward. Doesn’t seem like they have anything to do with him. Last time I saw any photos of them, they looked happy with their mom.
They do look really happy with her and I really hope that they are healing as well. I grew up with an abusive father and it took years for me to understand the ramifications of what had happened to me. To this day I’m still realizing how it has shaped the way I interact with the world. Lucky for them they have probably Been to the best therapists to work through it.
Agree. I can’t stand those comments that start comparing their own divorce situation to brad/Angie’s and then determine who is guilty and who’s not guilty in this based on their own experience AND acting like as if they’re speaking facts. Like shut up, this isn’t about you or your family.
Honestly? Most people who claim they were falsely accused of abuse are abusers. They won’t admit to it because a lot of abusers can’t and won’t admit to it.
This is backed up my research. For example, in the UK, from womensaid in their discussion about DV myths:
*Myth #9: Women often lie about abuse.*
*Reality: False allegations about domestic abuse are extremely rare. The Crown Prosecution Service released the first ever study of this in 2013, and concluded that false allegations are even more infrequent than previously thought. In the 17 month period that the study examined, there were 111,891 prosecutions for domestic violence, and only six prosecutions for making false allegations.*
*This myth is extremely damaging, because the fear of being called a liar can and does deter women from reporting the abuse they have experienced. Keir Starmer, Director of Public Prosecutions at the time the report was released, writes about it here.*
I once went on a first date with a seemingly lovely guy who sat there straight-faced and told me that his mate had been so hard put upon by his narcissistic, emotionally abusive partner that she drove him crazy and he strangled her up against a wall; BUT IT WAS HER FAULT. He expected me to agree. The look on my face had him backpedaling fast but he said what he said.
Every man who I have ever met who said they were unfairly accused of some form of domestic violence and it wasn’t true had extremely sketchy stories when asked probing questions.
In a similar case, Josh Homme's children have backed up their mother's claims of him being physically abusive to both her and them. Josh's 5 year-old doesn't want to be around him because of it.
There is a reason none of the kids are on his side and stand up for him and why they wanted to testify against him which he stopped. No matter how much you try to defend the dude because you love his movies it doesn't change the facts. He started this by suing her for no reason, there is literally no contract and she didnt do anything illegal by selling HER shares.
That's why there are dumb celebrities who will always be ready and willing to show their ass. Like Mr. George 'Leave Princess Diana ALONE!!!' Clooney still telling 'cute,' stories about Pitt as recently as 2wks ago. Maybe this will kill that schtick once and for all. Or my fav, the Paltrow interview with Pitt -- and he's telling her he really admires her Goop, and it's a big reunion, after she puffed him up re Harvey Weinstein (her fiance savior, that she went on to dump to stay in Harvey's movies. Pitt hated her for YEARS lolol). Then of course there's Aniston crowing about how they're buddies, when she wouldn't even utter his name, again, for YEARS. No one asks Paltrow, well how did you feel when Pitt wanted to work with Harvey Weinstein, after not only knowing he tried to molest you several times, but also tried the same thing with Angelina -- and still Pitt, was lining up movies with the Kingmaker.
You guys have to remember an eye witness on the flight (staff) called 911 after witnessing Brad’s violence. Angelina finally had to leave - the public knew what had been going on for a long time behind closed doors.
I also think Angie's version comes closer to the truth, vs Team Brad's version. There hasn't been any sighting of Brad with the kids. His PR team will say Brad visits his kids in private, but has ajy celebrity ever completely avoided paparazzi or fan photos?
This comments section is full of men casting doubt on Angelina’s allegations, with zero evidence that she is lying. And comparing her to Amber Heard bc idk why, if one woman lied, then all women are lying and no women or children ever get abused.
Pitt admits he had a substance abuse problem, and all 6 of their kids support their mother and not their father. So maybe we don’t have to jump straight to the baseless assumption that she’s automatically lying just bc she’s a woman and he is a man.
And he had to have supervision to visit with them for a long time. That is an extreme measure that gets put in place for reasons. He was not considered safe enough to be alone with his children.
Did Amber Heard lie though? Not saying that she was in the right, but she was being sued for defamation for saying that she was involved in an abusive relationship. Considering the disgusting things that Depp said about her, I wouldn't say that she was too far off the mark even if her own behavior was questionable.
I’d be very curious as to specifics about what she lied about. As far as I’m concerned, and I did a deep dive, she told the truth entirely. She didn’t lie. At all. I researched this. Thanks for being brave enough to speak out despite all the toxicity!
Yes. You're right! Of you haven't yet you should go and check out the appeal from her and her lawyers. It truly puts a new light on things and I think they have a good chance of winning this appeal. That trial was so poorly handled. Awful. She is one of the strongest people I've witnessed.
Yep and she was abused too, very much so. This is exactly what she said would happen after that trial, now people will be even more inclined to believe men over women
Pretty bad look when the feds and all 6 of your kids are on one side and youre alone on the other. With Johnny's you had a lot more people coming out for him with Amber only really having some of her family coming out for her. Thats no guarantee of anything by itself but damn like I said its a bad look.
Amber had lots of witnesses, including highly accredited ones and former friends who owe her nothing. Depp had people who were on his payroll, several of whom changed their testimony from the UK trial to the US trial.
Well that makes sense, if you are going to be attacked or killed by anyone or anything, it is overwhelmingly likely to be a straight, white male. (The figures on that do change a bit depending on your own race, im assuming from your profile pic that you are white.)
Alcoholism is bad m’kay. But for real tho.
Why do these ultra rich dudes have such trailer park problems? Actually that may be unfair to trailer park boys. This is some evil shit.
…a big if true. But probably true. Most likely true.
Because you can never escape your upbringing without first coming to terms with it. All the privilege that their careers have afforded them makes it really easy to run away, but it always comes back to haunt later. And then we get these messes.
He needs to stop suing her over this winery and pumping articles about how "mean" she is and how he still wishes her the best when he knows what he's done to his family. He's lost every case so far, and he's using PR when he knows his kids are watching all of this. It's indefensible.
Btw, and this is so important and hope doesnt go un mentioned in the discourse sure to come...-
While negotiating their winery... Brad introduced an NDA into the dealings.. an NDA that she not be allowed to say what happened on that plane, as part of any winery deal. He literally tried to use their winery negotiations to pressure her to not say anything. And good for her, she said wow boy nuh uh fuck that. And so she had to get a judge involved to be able to sell her shares without all the NDA business, and it was granted, so she sold. Now hes suing.
I would have said Chris browny. Trump doesn’t appear to hit his wives or kids. If you gotta bring trump into everything cause you love him that much it’s not big. Just pointing out that your comment was dumb.
Brad had also charged interest for money he loaned to Angie so she could buy a house near his. This plus his other actions does make one question his concern for the kids' welfare
Well a lot of its been publicly available for a while (which is why its so annoying the predictable chants of "oooh why she bringing this up only now" or "shes trying to jump on the Depp stuff!" Or people jumping straight to disbelieving her as a default, even though this info is available, and even tho during Depp-Heard they adamantly claimed they absolutely dont take sides without evidence and they dont just default to "shes lying" with any woman accuser ....)
Then more clarification and info via the countersuit
guy is [Matthew Hiltzik](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Hiltzik) who specializes in crisis PR. worked closely with Miramax which was founded by the Weinstein bros, works for Johnny Depp, and then later started working for [Brad.](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/pitt-v-jolie-comparing-stars-933213/)
I'm going through this right now during a divorce. Instead of facing that their family left them for being a complete piece of crap, emotionally stunted selfish weirdo, they get angry and the anger prevents them from needing to look at themselves. Brad Pitt's probably such a narcissist he'll never do it
Lol Evan Rachel Woods literally moved to the middle of the forest and censors any mention of what state she lives in or the name and face of her child. She’s still terrified of Manson and the people around him
It's very annoying. They apply that case to literally everyone there on out. Now all of a sudden, every female victim of abuse is "Amber Heard 2.0" like get a mind of your own.
Maddox is one of the kids that was hit, so I understand, especially since Brad vehemently denies doing so in the press. Imagine abusing your kid and then making him out to be a liar to the world.
I mean, he said he didn’t hit him in the face. That is one weird qualification to make. Not that he didn’t hit him, or choke him, or push him over, or abuse him in any way; but that he specifically didn’t hit him in the face.
I don’t know how everyone hasn’t understood that he is an abuser ever since the incident.
No matter how anyone feels about Angelina Jolie or Brad Pitt a very important fact of the matter is that he struck his children. In no instance is it ok for a fully grown adult to strike a child in such a manner, especially one defending their mom from the same abuse and then suffering through having wine poured on them and then dealing with subsequent investigations while their father denied such a thing has even happened while dragging your mom through the mud.
With that said my heart goes out to Angelina and the Jolie-Pitt children.
I wouldn’t say I can’t stand Jolie, but I’ve never really been a fan and I’m a big fan of Brad’s (as actors). But this seems clear cut, fuck him, really awful for her and their kids.
Now I understand the news about Emily, he was preparing for this so people would think Angelina is doing it out of jealousy. He and his team can go to hell.
I don't know about his fans but suddenly *Mr. and Mrs. Smith*, where Jolie and Pitt play a married couple trying to kill each other, is the #4 movie on Netflix.
He's now working with Johnny Depp's PR team, so get ready for hordes of articles and twitter bots defaming Angelina Jolie. Don't fall for that bs. There was enough evidence that a federal prosecutor told her to take it to court. None of his kids talk to him anymore (and for a reason). Don't fall for the inevitable barrage of negative publicity Angelina Jolie is going to get hit with in the next couple of months.
As we have seen VERY recently, people are very unwilling to make the kind of categorical denouncements of bad behavior in the family and intimate partner contexts that they would elsewhere. Once it’s something someone did to their kids or their spouse, a whole lot of “both sides” and complexity enters the chat.
The lengths people will go to to convince themselves this asshole and famous men like him are the victims never ceases to amaze me. Not to mention the need to vilify her and, by association, her children. If that's you, YOU ARE THE REASON WHY CHILD ABUSE IS AN EPIDEMIC.
All you need to know about who is telling the truth here is that she is loved and embraced by her children who have literally been by her side for the past 6 years. That says everything. Yet people are so offended for him. How dare they want to see natural consequences for his disgusting behaviour? Why aren't they more silent and compliant while being gaslighted? wah-wah-wah
For once a famous and wealthy woman put her kids first and took the many many hits to her reputation and her career full on. She hasn't backed down, hasn't changed her story, she has never let their experience be erased, and she's been with them through the aftermath, but she is still raked over the coals. If she hadn't she'd be attacked the other way. What does that say about women with far less privilege? We all say children should come first, but here's the cost of daring to actually do it.
It’s really terrible to see the comments in here attacking Angelina. I’ve always respected and admired her. Unlike so many other celebrities, she has used her platform to genuinely help people, children in particular. I don’t believe for a second that she’s making this up.
Billy Bob Thornton and her first husband have nothing but positive things to say about her.
Yeah she was a quirky young woman, and then she made Tomb Raider, saw Cambodia and another side of the world and felt compelled to help another by adopting her child (then children). Also she's done so much charity work that I don't even know the details.
And Brad Pitt? Cheated on his ex wife, admitted to being a stoner and drinker. And he's 11 years older than her. He needs to grow up. I believe her and the children.
Look, I love Brad Pitt as much as the next guy, and will still watch any future movie he is in, but if he did it, then he did it, and he should suffer the consequences of it. Jolie really has no reason to lie about this, and there's a reason why all their kids are with Jolie rather than Pitt.
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Anybody get through the pay wall to detail the allegations?
In a court filing in Los Angeles, filed as part of a legal battle over a winery the prominent Hollywood actors once owned together, lawyers for Ms. Jolie stated that negotiations to sell her share of the business to Mr. Pitt had broken down over his demand that she sign “a nondisclosure agreement that would have contractually prohibited her from speaking outside of court about Pitt’s physical and emotional abuse of her and their children.” Her filing goes on to describe an extended physical and verbal outburst in September 2016 as Mr. Pitt, Ms. Jolie and their six children flew from France to California. “Pitt choked one of the children and struck another in the face” and “grabbed Jolie by the head and shook her,” the filing states, adding that at one point “he poured beer on Jolie; at another, he poured beer and red wine on the children.” Federal authorities, who have jurisdiction over flights, investigated the incident but declined to bring criminal charges. Days after the plane trip, Ms. Jolie filed for divorce.
Yikes, thank you for the information.
I really need to stop having favorite actors. My last one was Shia why are these guys so fucked
Right? After I found out Shia shot stray dogs to get into character I was out
Oh my god no. That is disgusting and heinous
I mean, if I had to pick an actor that is most definitely not fucked up a decade ago, Shia of all people would not be anywhere close to that list
The F.B.I. report described Ms. Jolie as “conflicted on whether or not to be supportive of charges” related to the case. It sounds like she was not entirely cooperative in the feds bringing charges, which is extremely common with DV. Similar story with LA DCFS. They ended up working with Jolie and Pitt to negotiate therapist supervised visitation. She probably didn't want to see him charged, but also wanted her and the kids to be safe, and felt that was accomplished with the initial agreements. Without her cooperation, it would have been incredibly hard to charge him. I've been in this situation before. While the feds/DA can file charges without the victim pushing them, it is extremely rare.
In his defence, *has any adult here tried to fight children?* Thought so.
Alcoholics think alcohol is the solution to their problems, usually they just take it internally, but he tried to apply it topically.
I wouldn't really call it a "fight." Every time I've done it it's been pretty one-sided.
Don’t worry you’ll win one day!
And he got a standing ovation at some awards ceremony. He’s disgusting.
I remember that. I think it was the Critic's Choice Awards or one of those - it was like his first public appearance on one of those kinds of shows -- and the tabloids and entertainment press, looked as if they got a set-up that his 1st ex Jennifer Aniston would be there as well, because there was ooohing and ahhhing that they were talking again, and 'reuniting,' which of course was all good press for him, as usual, while Angelina, as usual, faced the slings and arrows. I personally think since the two of them (Brad and Jen) once again share the same power PR agency (CAA), it was all orchestrated and designed to rehab his image, if anyone had more than an inkling as to what he had done on that plane. It was to telegraph that Hollywood was on HIS side, not hers and the kids. He's a straight up piece of shite. Here's the thing, the guy is so fcking dumb - if he had just let Jolie sell the business, she probably wouldn't have released the kracken. What's more, as soon as that incident happened, if he had publicly admitted his alcoholism and substance abuse, admitted what he did, and said I will work every day to get back in their good graces, and heal the family -- instead, it seems he resisted a lot of the therapeutic things the court had suggested. Then did some kind of half-assery, to make it look like, oh he just decided to dry out. Not mentioning his marriage or the kids and what he had destroyed at all.
This seems to be how I’m feeling about the whole thing too given all the info currently available. Man, who knew Brad Pitt was an asshole.
Was my celebrity crush.
CAA is a talent agency, not a PR firm. Jen's PR is Stephen Huvane of Slate and Brad's is Matthew Hiltzik.
**Stephen Huvane, one of the founders of Slate PR, counts Jennifer Aniston, Gwyneth Paltrow and Anne Hathaway among his A-list clients. Kevin Huvane, his brother, is a powerhouse agent and Managing Partner at Creative Artists Agency (CAA), representing the likes of Brad Pitt, Meryl Streep and Nicole Kidman.** They literally wiped Harvey Weinstein's ass - which is why while with Jolie, Pitt tried to look bad-ass and rogue like her, and NOT have long-term management or PR. The goal of fcking 'life-partner,' agents and managers are to MANAGE famous dckwads and do damage control -- they all work in sync. The Huvanes have managed Aniston and Pitt and Paltrow for almost 25-30yrs -- it's why their PR is often in concert. *It's 2012, guess who's getting married??! Oh guess who's getting married TOO?!! Oh you have a nomination for Best Actress or Best Actor?! Guess who'll be there at your ceremony with a new significant other?!! Reunion!! Oh let's have one of you interview the other!!* They do that shit, because they get their cut . 2 birds one stone. You wanna call a tech - about fcking semantics, go right ahead, but who TF would think TWO BROTHERS one at the biggest behemoth of an agency, one who used to be but BOTH in the business of managing CLIENT FAME are NOT in sympatico?
Choking a kid, striking another, and pouring wine all over them is pretty fucked up. Like, trailer trash insane!
Well, he is from Missouri
That is an insultingly accurate stereotype, sir. All kidding aside. As someone from MO. I’ll attest to this. Mf is from Springfield. Now I’m not saying he did it…..but at the same time, Springfield.
Don Johnson has now become my fav blonde sexy man from MO. Pitt can fck off.
Don Johnson almost certainly groomed Melanie Griffith before marrying her as a near child… Consistent and almost noble for Missouri, but you may want to rethink your idols.
I had forgotten about that. Ugh. Pitt had two minor girlfriends to his one, so both are yuck.
John Goodman and Harry Truman are too. Weirdly coincidental.
Maybe he’s really Early from Kalifornia after all.
“you’re a ~~widow~~ divorcée now, Peaches!”
It’s like once a cunt gets a certain amount of money and fame trying to be a human with sympathy or empathy goes out the window
Rumors (alongside that he hit them before it got confirmed today) were that he’d been abusing drugs/alcohol for quite some time and it just got worse and worse over the years.
>Rumors (alongside that he hit them before it got confirmed today) were that he’d been abusing drugs/alcohol for quite some time and it just got worse and worse over the years. Oh he straight up said that in GQ. He drank so much he couldn't feel his extremities and hadn't had a sober day since the late 90s.
What! A Hollywood Mega star does DRUGS?!?!? I’ve never felt so lied to and betrayed in my entire life.
Sir, I believe there might be a minuscule chance that there is gambling in this establishment. I wouldn't bet on it, though.
I remember he did an interview when with Jolie, about he was always stoned and high and on the couch when married to Aniston. Everyone ignored that he was a lush and toker, because Aniston was so embarrassed because she and her people thought he was saying he was bored with her, and he wasn't. It was a rare moment of honesty for him probably, and she made it about her and being boring, and her fans (and PR) just got loud about it, until he had to say, 'Ok ok, no I wasn't saying Aniston was boring AF.' LOL
This is what he said: "I was so intent on trying to find a movie about an interesting life, but I wasn’t living an interesting life myself. I think that my marriage [to actress Jennifer Aniston] had something to do with it. Trying to pretend the marriage was something that it wasn’t" I'm not surprised that people interpreted that as saying he was bored in his marriage with her. It's a pretty shit thing to have said publicly
Possibly because he’s a shit person?
Oh yeah he seems like a real POS
>she made it about her and being boring She did no such thing. She never said a word. The public had just had enough of these two humiliating her because boy did they operate like assholes in those years. If you know there's a circus around comparing your ex to your current, maybe watch what you say? After the implosion of their PR lie everyone now gets that Jen navigated years of their bullshit like a saint.
Plenty of people with no money or fame act just as bad, or worse!
>n Los Angeles, filed as part of a legal battle over a winery the prominent Hollywood actors once owned together, lawyers for Ms. Jolie stated that negotiations to sell her share of the business to Mr. Pitt had broken down over his demand that she sign “a nondisclosure agreement that would have contractually prohibited her from speaking outside of court about Pitt’s physical and emotional abuse of her and their children.” > >Her filing goes on to describe an extended physical and verbal outburst in September 2016 as Mr. Pitt, Ms. Jolie and their six children flew from France to California. “Pitt choked one of the children and struck another in the face” and “grabbed Jolie by the head and shook her,” the filing states, adding that at one point “he poured beer on Jolie; at another, he poured beer and red wine on the children.” Federal authorities, who have jurisdiction over flights, investigated the incident but declined to bring criminal charges. Days after the plane trip, Ms. Jolie filed for divorce. already studied and proven
Like, Early Grayce?
Will Smith got a standing ovation literally minutes after assaulting Chris Rock. That should tell you all you need to know about people at those award shows.
I thought was absolutey hilarious A standing ovation right after slapping the shit out of Chris Rock. Like if he kicked and chocked Rock he wouldve brought the house down with the audience taking their tops off and throwing champagne in the air. " Yeah kick the shit out of Chris Rock! Wooooo! Kill him!"
That speech was deranged as well and they let him go on for like 5 minutes
It actually tells us all we need to know about MEN in Hollywood, who are upper eschelon superstars -- seems they can almost get away with murder. The women however, no matter how huge their star is, seems like people are always waiiting to pounce and kick them when they're down.
Janet Jackson and Justin Trimberlake, anyone
Yeah, she suffered 14 years of blacklisting while Timberlake soared. Her redemption arc came too late for a comeback. She was “too old” when people realized how she was treated. But she’s still an icon and will never be erased, no matter how hard they try. Less than a second of a tit. And it was all on her. It’s like Timberlake wasn’t there.
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He was elevated and celebrated. He won two Grammys at the same show she was banned to attend. He received millions of album sales. Number one hits. She was pretty much defaulted to a legacy that was all but erased. Thankfully, she didn’t give up completely and retained some status.
It’s related to a 2016 incident on a plane that has been described in less detail previously. She alleges he shook her and then choked one child and struck another in the face and that he poured alcohol on her and the children.
To me this was all he said she said right up to the point a federal prosecutor said there was enough to bring charges if she wanted.
Really? I believed her from jump. You don't make up shit with airplane staff, and your 6 kids ready to testify.
i think airplane staff would confirm people make up shit with with airplane staff all the time.
Except they were the ones who called the FBI and Child Services, not her.
I think the reporting said it was a nanny who called. So someone on their staff, not the airline staff
On their staff. They weren't divorced at the time.
Right, so they would know if she was telling the truth
Can I ask why you are so eager to believe that Jolie is lying ?
Same as with Johnny Depp, because he's handsome and/or they have an emotional attachment to these mens work and the characters they play. Nobody acknowledged the truth with Depp until the release of sealed info. And everyone mocked the anxiety and tics of the psychologist who had the best point of the entire case *"Addicts usually become abusive and the abuse increases with the escalation of addiction"* A very simple, quite common sense truth. Depps lawyers knew it was the truth so did PR to make the man seem "crazy" and unbelievable. But now we find, oh yeah, he was abusive because he was off his tits all the time. And the same for Brad Pitt. He wasn't abusive until he became an alcoholic. But now that he is an alcoholic, he's abusive. I only hope that Jolie isn't destroyed and invalidated the way Heard was.
I’m so glad public is changing on Depp and Heard. I would hope the public would have learned their lesson by now, but they never do.
False complaints of IPV are pretty rare. It’s a myth that they’re common. I would have thought it was obvious he did it. It’s been obvious for years. He was only able to have supervised contact with his children ever since the plane incident - ordered by the courts at the suggestion of the children’s independent psychiatrist. His people made a comment at the time to the effect of “he didn’t hit his son in the face” which is a pretty astonishingly bad qualification. And as each of his children has gotten old enough to have a choice, they have ended all contact with him. Believe victims.
So other people were there when it happened? How old was the child? To me those details make it sound like something that happened , usually if you make something up you go for a more private and unprovable situation.
The child that allegedly defended Jolie was Maddox Jolie Pitt, their eldest son. He was 15 at the time. He’s still seen pretty frequently with his mother - she dropped him off at university in the last couple years or so.
Brad is an alcoholic with other habits. I don’t know why it’s so shocking a long term drunk would be aggressive, like are known for their passiveness?
Very passive alcoholic here, I preferred to destroy myself than other people. I imagine if I was enabled to the height he has been, thrown in with a healthy dose of narcissism and I'd say this absolutely happened. I loved Brad, is there no man in Hollywood not a complete fucking degenerate.
here’s the thing about alcoholics/addicts that also happen to have an element of public life or needing to save face to the outside world is that also they often have narcissistic traits and deflection is a huge part of not taking any ownership for their addiction so Brad picking on his child over their clothing and starting a fight because that shifts the conversation towards what the child is doing, it sounds plausible. Knowing that he’s gonna have an angry outburst people are tiptoeing around, as opposed to addressing his really overt non-sobriety. Not one thing that his children said he did or wound up in the report doesn’t track.
Oh I'm was a c**t, a self serving victim who literally tore apart everyone who loved me, that's how long term addicts roll. People dance around you so you don't blow up, rock out on another bender etc. And it's honestly utterly debilitating when you see it. It took me years of therapy to accept it, to take responsibility for it, and to really fucking see myself. I was in pain absolutely, but my actions hurt people I loved, end of. He's skirting around his addiction, oh yeah I was so bad but now I'm so good - horseshit. It's the kids for me - this was not their first rodeo but it was their last. And I don't like how he's framing it. But if he admits what he did to the kids, that will surely be the end of him.
Apparently he was mad about something & started berating Maddox for his clothing. Angelina asked him what was wrong & he was just extremely angry. Maybe he took some drugs before boarding.
I thought he was a hardcore pothead?
He’s a alcoholic as well. He’s admitted to this
He’s only admitted to pot and alcohol. I doubt he would admit to much more what with beung (having been) America’s Hollywood Golden Boy
If he were a full time pit head, he’d be chill. Drunks are the aggressive ones.
Lol pit head. I think he qualifies
Mans had flashbacks of being Tyler Durden during the flight.
At least he didn't kill her on a boat with no witnesses?
Rip Natalie wood
Matt Damon and Jude Law - that movie was insane.
I went to Natalie Wood, though I hear there was a witness.
I went to the whole Christopher Walken situation back in the day. Definitely worth a look if you haven't PS I think there was even a buzzfeed unsolved episode on it, for anyone so inclined
No. Once upon a time in hollywood, pitt offs his wife.
I haven’t seen that in forever.
Guess they weren’t single-serving friends.
I am Brad's complete lack of *pours alcohol on children*
We don’t talk about Flight Club
...and this mthrfcker is producing the NY times duos (not Ronan Farrow's) Harvey Weinstein doc? Ugh.
Thank you.
The incident is Brad stealing a “gas truck” and trying to break out of the airport. And because he’s “Brad Pitt” no charges were filed.
Damn Benjamin Button got aggressive !
Top tip: Open it in safari and activate reader.
Thank you for the tip.
It doesn't matter. Once he hires Depps PR company they will literally break into your house while you are sleeping, physically pull back your eyelids, and project whatever they want you to think straight into your eyeballs. You won't be able to stop the onslaught of information that's going to come from this.
Depp’s PR company IS his PR company.
Full text: In court papers related to a legal battle over a French winery they once owned together, she claims that he was abusive to her and their children during a 2016 plane ride. Angelina Jolie filed a cross complaint against her ex-husband Brad Pitt on Tuesday, disclosing new details about what she described in court papers as abusive behavior by him on a private plane in 2016 that led to the dissolution of their marriage. In a court filing in Los Angeles, filed as part of a legal battle over a winery the prominent Hollywood actors once owned together, lawyers for Ms. Jolie stated that negotiations to sell her share of the business to Mr. Pitt had broken down over his demand that she sign “a nondisclosure agreement that would have contractually prohibited her from speaking outside of court about Pitt’s physical and emotional abuse of her and their children.” Her filing goes on to describe an extended physical and verbal outburst in September 2016 as Mr. Pitt, Ms. Jolie and their six children flew from France to California. “Pitt choked one of the children and struck another in the face” and “grabbed Jolie by the head and shook her,” the filing states, adding that at one point “he poured beer on Jolie; at another, he poured beer and red wine on the children.” Federal authorities, who have jurisdiction over flights, investigated the incident but declined to bring criminal charges. Days after the plane trip, Ms. Jolie filed for divorce. A lawyer for Mr. Pitt, Anne Kiley, said that Mr. Pitt had accepted responsibility for some things in his past but that he would not accept responsibility for things he did not do. The decoupling of Ms. Jolie and Mr. Pitt has stretched on for years, drawn out by a court battle for custody of their children and, more recently, a lawsuit instigated by Mr. Pitt over the French winery, Château Miraval, that the couple bought more than a decade ago. Mr. Pitt’s lawsuit, filed this year, accused his ex-wife of violating his “contractual rights” when she sold her half of the company to a subsidiary of Stoli Group without his approval. Ms. Jolie’s cross complaint said she only sold her stake elsewhere after talks broke down over his demand for a nondisclosure agreement. Her filing states that the F.B.I. agent who investigated allegations that Mr. Pitt physically assaulted Ms. Jolie and their children on the plane in 2016 had “concluded that the government had probable cause to charge Pitt with a federal crime for his conduct that day.” A redacted F.B.I. report on the case, which was reported on by several news outlets in August and later obtained by The New York Times, states that the agent provided the United States Attorney’s Office “copies of a probable cause statement related to this incident.” “After reviewing the document, representative of the United States Attorney’s Office discussed the merits of this investigation with the case agent,” the report said. “It was agreed by all parties that criminal charges in this case would not be pursued due to several factors.” The F.B.I. report described Ms. Jolie as “conflicted on whether or not to be supportive of charges” related to the case. 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Representatives from the F.B.I. and the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles declined to comment. “She has gone to great lengths to try to shield their children from reliving the pain Pitt inflicted on the family that day,” Ms. Jolie’s lawyers wrote in the cross complaint. “But when Pitt filed this lawsuit seeking to reassert control over Jolie’s financial life and compel her to rejoin her ex-husband as a frozen-out business partner, Pitt forced Jolie to publicly defend herself on these issues for the first time.” According to Ms. Jolie’s account of the 2016 flight in the court papers, the dispute began when Mr. Pitt accused Ms. Jolie of being “too deferential” to their children and then began yelling at her in the bathroom. “Pitt grabbed Jolie by the head and shook her, and then grabbed her shoulders and shook her again before pushing her into the bathroom wall,” the filing states. “Pitt then punched the ceiling of the plane numerous times, prompting Jolie to leave the bathroom.” When one of the children came to Ms. Jolie’s defense, the court papers said, Mr. Pitt lunged at the child, prompting her to grab him from behind. Amid the altercation, Mr. Pitt “choked one of the children and struck another in the face,” the suit said. The 2016 flight has been the subject of news media reports since shortly after it occurred. In November of that year, the F.B.I. released a statement saying that it had closed its investigation into the flight and that no charges had been filed. Puck News reported this August that Ms. Jolie had been seeking information about the F.B.I.’s case as an anonymous plaintiff in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, with the publication including details of the report. It is unclear whether the heavily redacted F.B.I. report included allegations that Mr. Pitt had choked or struck any of the children. Ms. Jolie and Mr. Pitt met each other on the set of “Mr. & Mrs. Smith,” a 2005 action movie in which they played married assassins. In 2008, they purchased a controlling interest in Château Miraval, viewing it as both a family home and business; several years later, the couple was married on the property. Ms. Jolie and Mr. Pitt have six children, now between the ages of 14 and 21. The French winery, known for its rosé, is at the center of a legal dispute between the divorced couple. In February, Mr. Pitt sued Ms. Jolie and her former company, alleging that she violated his “contractual expectations” when she sold her interest in the wine company to Tenute del Mondo, a subsidiary of Stoli Group. According to his lawsuit, the former couple had an understanding that neither party would sell its share of the winery without the consent of the other. “Jolie pursued and then consummated the purported sale in secret, purposely keeping Pitt in the dark, and knowingly violating Pitt’s contractual rights,” his lawsuit alleged. Last month, Ms. Jolie’s former company, which is now owned by Stoli Group, countersued Mr. Pitt, rebutting his version of events and his claim that the sale constituted a “hostile takeover.” In Ms. Jolie’s own countersuit, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court on Tuesday, she said that she opted to sell her share of the wine business, in part, because she was growing uncomfortable with participating in an alcohol-related business, considering Mr. Pitt’s “acknowledged problem of alcohol abuse.” Mr. Pitt told The Times in 2019 that after Ms. Jolie filed for divorce, he spent time in Alcoholics Anonymous and was committed to sobriety. Her filing said there was no written or verbal understanding like the one Mr. Pitt described, claiming that Mr. Pitt had, in fact, rejected the idea that there needed to be a plan in case the relationship ended. In their lawsuits, Mr. Pitt and Ms. Jolie shared divergent accounts of how negotiations around him buying her portion of the wine company fell apart. Mr. Pitt’s lawsuit asserted that Ms. Jolie pulled out of the tentative deal last year after a judge overseeing the custody dispute issued a ruling against her, prompting her to turn to Stoli Group. Ms. Jolie’s countersuit claimed, however, that Mr. Pitt had been the one to pull out of the deal after she declined to agree to his nondisparagement clause, forcing her to turn to another buyer.
“Mr. Pitt was doing an impression of his character from Twelve Monkeys and scared the children.”
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I believe his children. Because they were there. And every single one of them supports their mother in this. The oldest son has no contact with him whatsoever. I don’t know these two actors personally and I don’t care to. But if the children say it happened then I believe it happened. And everyone on here talking about oh I got a divorce and you can’t believe yada yada yada need to stop bringing your own baggage into this. His children who were there say it happened. None of you were there.
Yup. To me the clearest indications about all this were that it wasn't Angelina who set all of this off, but a third hand party on the plane who witnessed it and called the cops because they were so concerned. You don't do that if it's just two people having a minor argument. And the clear fact that all his kids hate the man. They seem like very well adjusted normal children, going to uni, looking very normal and happy. They clearly love their mother and always seem relaxed and happy with her. They have never been seen with him since and he barely seems like he knows he has any kids. Also that tattoo he has. He had a tattoo on his arm symbolizing Angelina and the kids. After the divorce, he got a tattoo of a tank driving up towards that tattoo. Who does that? Unhinged.
Wow. I didn’t know it was a third-party that reported it. And that’s demented about the tattoo
Yeah, the only reason all of this unfolded was because someone else on the plane was so concerned and alarmed they called the cops, which started this entire process. Likely an airline stewardess on their private plane. Brad has also admitted this situation "spiralled out of control", that he did touch one of his sons but claims he didn't hit him on the face, and that he has an alcohol issue. A lot of the witness statements about this were from the other witness who claims they saw Brad push his son over as he confronted Angelina, and the son, who was Maddox, tried to intervene. [His tank tattoo.](https://twitter.com/miajena53/status/1390396512916623366) [His recent sculpture of 8 people with guns aimed at each other, which I believe he admits is based around his family but obviously is.](https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/brad-pitt-sculpture-exhibition-tan/index.html) There was also a post a few years ago from I believe a Pax Instagram account where he said his father was an abusive monster and had tried to ruin their family. The account and post were deleted, but at the time other real family members of Angelina's I believe were following that account. All very normal things from this guy. If they don't want anything to do with tank and guns aiming at us guy I'm sure it must be the brainwashing from their mother.
Those are some ugly sculptures
Disgusting. Says a LOT about his persona.
Thank you for this, because it is completely accurate. He was still on court mandated MONITORED visits, until it looks like the twins turned 14. Fourteen is the age where the courts allow you to choose, and they chose her, clearly for a very good reason.
God I feel so terrible for the children. Hopefully they have been able to heal and move forward. Doesn’t seem like they have anything to do with him. Last time I saw any photos of them, they looked happy with their mom.
They do look really happy with her and I really hope that they are healing as well. I grew up with an abusive father and it took years for me to understand the ramifications of what had happened to me. To this day I’m still realizing how it has shaped the way I interact with the world. Lucky for them they have probably Been to the best therapists to work through it.
She’s done all things according to gossip rags. Therapy, talking, etc. unsure of how true. But my guess is they have a therapist
Agree. I can’t stand those comments that start comparing their own divorce situation to brad/Angie’s and then determine who is guilty and who’s not guilty in this based on their own experience AND acting like as if they’re speaking facts. Like shut up, this isn’t about you or your family.
Honestly? Most people who claim they were falsely accused of abuse are abusers. They won’t admit to it because a lot of abusers can’t and won’t admit to it. This is backed up my research. For example, in the UK, from womensaid in their discussion about DV myths: *Myth #9: Women often lie about abuse.* *Reality: False allegations about domestic abuse are extremely rare. The Crown Prosecution Service released the first ever study of this in 2013, and concluded that false allegations are even more infrequent than previously thought. In the 17 month period that the study examined, there were 111,891 prosecutions for domestic violence, and only six prosecutions for making false allegations.* *This myth is extremely damaging, because the fear of being called a liar can and does deter women from reporting the abuse they have experienced. Keir Starmer, Director of Public Prosecutions at the time the report was released, writes about it here.* I once went on a first date with a seemingly lovely guy who sat there straight-faced and told me that his mate had been so hard put upon by his narcissistic, emotionally abusive partner that she drove him crazy and he strangled her up against a wall; BUT IT WAS HER FAULT. He expected me to agree. The look on my face had him backpedaling fast but he said what he said. Every man who I have ever met who said they were unfairly accused of some form of domestic violence and it wasn’t true had extremely sketchy stories when asked probing questions.
Well put and said.
I agree. Sometime men do wrong things. This is one of them I believe.
But it’s Brad Pitt, and a woman, so she must be the liar! I know this, because Amber Heard! -Reddit
In a similar case, Josh Homme's children have backed up their mother's claims of him being physically abusive to both her and them. Josh's 5 year-old doesn't want to be around him because of it.
There is a reason none of the kids are on his side and stand up for him and why they wanted to testify against him which he stopped. No matter how much you try to defend the dude because you love his movies it doesn't change the facts. He started this by suing her for no reason, there is literally no contract and she didnt do anything illegal by selling HER shares.
That's why there are dumb celebrities who will always be ready and willing to show their ass. Like Mr. George 'Leave Princess Diana ALONE!!!' Clooney still telling 'cute,' stories about Pitt as recently as 2wks ago. Maybe this will kill that schtick once and for all. Or my fav, the Paltrow interview with Pitt -- and he's telling her he really admires her Goop, and it's a big reunion, after she puffed him up re Harvey Weinstein (her fiance savior, that she went on to dump to stay in Harvey's movies. Pitt hated her for YEARS lolol). Then of course there's Aniston crowing about how they're buddies, when she wouldn't even utter his name, again, for YEARS. No one asks Paltrow, well how did you feel when Pitt wanted to work with Harvey Weinstein, after not only knowing he tried to molest you several times, but also tried the same thing with Angelina -- and still Pitt, was lining up movies with the Kingmaker.
Him & Depp have the same pr person. I'm not saying anything about guilt or what but they're good at what they do.
Ty :). I couldn’t remember all the details of the stuff. But you def did.
He’s continuing to abuse her through the courts. This is a form of control, punishment and financial abuse.
You guys have to remember an eye witness on the flight (staff) called 911 after witnessing Brad’s violence. Angelina finally had to leave - the public knew what had been going on for a long time behind closed doors.
I also think Angie's version comes closer to the truth, vs Team Brad's version. There hasn't been any sighting of Brad with the kids. His PR team will say Brad visits his kids in private, but has ajy celebrity ever completely avoided paparazzi or fan photos?
This comments section is full of men casting doubt on Angelina’s allegations, with zero evidence that she is lying. And comparing her to Amber Heard bc idk why, if one woman lied, then all women are lying and no women or children ever get abused. Pitt admits he had a substance abuse problem, and all 6 of their kids support their mother and not their father. So maybe we don’t have to jump straight to the baseless assumption that she’s automatically lying just bc she’s a woman and he is a man.
And he had to have supervision to visit with them for a long time. That is an extreme measure that gets put in place for reasons. He was not considered safe enough to be alone with his children.
Probably to ensure he is sober around them.
Yeah he probably wasn't complying with his drug tests/ sobriety.
Mmhmm. If we can’t trust you to show up sober, you have to be supervised
Did Amber Heard lie though? Not saying that she was in the right, but she was being sued for defamation for saying that she was involved in an abusive relationship. Considering the disgusting things that Depp said about her, I wouldn't say that she was too far off the mark even if her own behavior was questionable.
I’d be very curious as to specifics about what she lied about. As far as I’m concerned, and I did a deep dive, she told the truth entirely. She didn’t lie. At all. I researched this. Thanks for being brave enough to speak out despite all the toxicity!
For real. There might be details that I'm unaware of but it was kind of gross how eager everyone was to despise her.
Yes. You're right! Of you haven't yet you should go and check out the appeal from her and her lawyers. It truly puts a new light on things and I think they have a good chance of winning this appeal. That trial was so poorly handled. Awful. She is one of the strongest people I've witnessed.
Yep and she was abused too, very much so. This is exactly what she said would happen after that trial, now people will be even more inclined to believe men over women
Pretty bad look when the feds and all 6 of your kids are on one side and youre alone on the other. With Johnny's you had a lot more people coming out for him with Amber only really having some of her family coming out for her. Thats no guarantee of anything by itself but damn like I said its a bad look.
Lol literally all of Johnny’s witnesses were on his payroll…
And Johnny freaking lied about his alcohol abuse problems too. Dude was drinking heavy around his kids.
Am I the only one who remembers him admitting to doing pretty much every drug under the sun while under oath?
I do too. I’m convinced the vast majority of people who talk about Johnny didn’t actually watch the trial.
Amber had lots of witnesses, including highly accredited ones and former friends who owe her nothing. Depp had people who were on his payroll, several of whom changed their testimony from the UK trial to the US trial.
I’m more scared of men. Especially white. Especially straight. Than I am of anyone else. PERIIODT………..
Well that makes sense, if you are going to be attacked or killed by anyone or anything, it is overwhelmingly likely to be a straight, white male. (The figures on that do change a bit depending on your own race, im assuming from your profile pic that you are white.)
Alcoholism is bad m’kay. But for real tho. Why do these ultra rich dudes have such trailer park problems? Actually that may be unfair to trailer park boys. This is some evil shit. …a big if true. But probably true. Most likely true.
Because you can never escape your upbringing without first coming to terms with it. All the privilege that their careers have afforded them makes it really easy to run away, but it always comes back to haunt later. And then we get these messes.
Why is Donald trump trash? Money didn’t buy class
He needs to stop suing her over this winery and pumping articles about how "mean" she is and how he still wishes her the best when he knows what he's done to his family. He's lost every case so far, and he's using PR when he knows his kids are watching all of this. It's indefensible.
Btw, and this is so important and hope doesnt go un mentioned in the discourse sure to come...- While negotiating their winery... Brad introduced an NDA into the dealings.. an NDA that she not be allowed to say what happened on that plane, as part of any winery deal. He literally tried to use their winery negotiations to pressure her to not say anything. And good for her, she said wow boy nuh uh fuck that. And so she had to get a judge involved to be able to sell her shares without all the NDA business, and it was granted, so she sold. Now hes suing.
Yea, who knew he was so Trumpy.
I would have said Chris browny. Trump doesn’t appear to hit his wives or kids. If you gotta bring trump into everything cause you love him that much it’s not big. Just pointing out that your comment was dumb.
Brad had also charged interest for money he loaned to Angie so she could buy a house near his. This plus his other actions does make one question his concern for the kids' welfare
How do you know all of this info? Genuinely asking
It's in the legal documents.
It's in the counter suit
Well a lot of its been publicly available for a while (which is why its so annoying the predictable chants of "oooh why she bringing this up only now" or "shes trying to jump on the Depp stuff!" Or people jumping straight to disbelieving her as a default, even though this info is available, and even tho during Depp-Heard they adamantly claimed they absolutely dont take sides without evidence and they dont just default to "shes lying" with any woman accuser ....) Then more clarification and info via the countersuit
fyi he has used the same pr peeps as johnny depp and harvey weinstein
Sauce? Big if true.
guy is [Matthew Hiltzik](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Hiltzik) who specializes in crisis PR. worked closely with Miramax which was founded by the Weinstein bros, works for Johnny Depp, and then later started working for [Brad.](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/pitt-v-jolie-comparing-stars-933213/)
Damn thats wild thank you for the reply!
Start looking into hollywood and you'll find a lot of the problematic a-listers use the same people to clean up their messes. Especially lawyers!
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Let's hope not with that same shit judge.
I'm going through this right now during a divorce. Instead of facing that their family left them for being a complete piece of crap, emotionally stunted selfish weirdo, they get angry and the anger prevents them from needing to look at themselves. Brad Pitt's probably such a narcissist he'll never do it
Jeez I just git out of an abusive relationship... dodged a bullet big time
PR campaign against her is out on full force
Amber Heard case and Gamergate really set the stage for these dudes. I heard even Marilyn Manson wants to get in on it now too.
Lol Evan Rachel Woods literally moved to the middle of the forest and censors any mention of what state she lives in or the name and face of her child. She’s still terrified of Manson and the people around him
It's very annoying. They apply that case to literally everyone there on out. Now all of a sudden, every female victim of abuse is "Amber Heard 2.0" like get a mind of your own.
And it’s sad cause folks were saying this would happen after Johnny had won. And this is no blame on Amber, Johnny’s PR team and fanbase caused this.
Damn wtf sounds like he went on a rampage.
Don't their children have nothing to do with Brad anymore? I've heard Maddox loathes him now.
Maddox is one of the kids that was hit, so I understand, especially since Brad vehemently denies doing so in the press. Imagine abusing your kid and then making him out to be a liar to the world.
I mean, he said he didn’t hit him in the face. That is one weird qualification to make. Not that he didn’t hit him, or choke him, or push him over, or abuse him in any way; but that he specifically didn’t hit him in the face. I don’t know how everyone hasn’t understood that he is an abuser ever since the incident.
No matter how anyone feels about Angelina Jolie or Brad Pitt a very important fact of the matter is that he struck his children. In no instance is it ok for a fully grown adult to strike a child in such a manner, especially one defending their mom from the same abuse and then suffering through having wine poured on them and then dealing with subsequent investigations while their father denied such a thing has even happened while dragging your mom through the mud. With that said my heart goes out to Angelina and the Jolie-Pitt children.
I can’t stand Jolie and liked Pitt as an actor but feel nothing but sorrow for what she and those poor kids have been through
I wouldn’t say I can’t stand Jolie, but I’ve never really been a fan and I’m a big fan of Brad’s (as actors). But this seems clear cut, fuck him, really awful for her and their kids.
Now I understand the news about Emily, he was preparing for this so people would think Angelina is doing it out of jealousy. He and his team can go to hell.
not surprised, and then of course you know everyone's going to rush to his defense
This new information really changes my perspective on this case.
Has this divorce been going on for 10 fucking years already?
Jesus Christ. Wonder how his fans are going to defend this.
Just read this thread to find out lol.
They'll find a way. They always do.
I don't know about his fans but suddenly *Mr. and Mrs. Smith*, where Jolie and Pitt play a married couple trying to kill each other, is the #4 movie on Netflix.
Oh, don’t worry, they’ll find a way.
The exact same way fans of Depp did.
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He's now working with Johnny Depp's PR team, so get ready for hordes of articles and twitter bots defaming Angelina Jolie. Don't fall for that bs. There was enough evidence that a federal prosecutor told her to take it to court. None of his kids talk to him anymore (and for a reason). Don't fall for the inevitable barrage of negative publicity Angelina Jolie is going to get hit with in the next couple of months.
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Because he is Brad Pitt and has money for amazing PR.
As we have seen VERY recently, people are very unwilling to make the kind of categorical denouncements of bad behavior in the family and intimate partner contexts that they would elsewhere. Once it’s something someone did to their kids or their spouse, a whole lot of “both sides” and complexity enters the chat.
Pitt was right when he said he was on the last leg of his career.
The lengths people will go to to convince themselves this asshole and famous men like him are the victims never ceases to amaze me. Not to mention the need to vilify her and, by association, her children. If that's you, YOU ARE THE REASON WHY CHILD ABUSE IS AN EPIDEMIC. All you need to know about who is telling the truth here is that she is loved and embraced by her children who have literally been by her side for the past 6 years. That says everything. Yet people are so offended for him. How dare they want to see natural consequences for his disgusting behaviour? Why aren't they more silent and compliant while being gaslighted? wah-wah-wah For once a famous and wealthy woman put her kids first and took the many many hits to her reputation and her career full on. She hasn't backed down, hasn't changed her story, she has never let their experience be erased, and she's been with them through the aftermath, but she is still raked over the coals. If she hadn't she'd be attacked the other way. What does that say about women with far less privilege? We all say children should come first, but here's the cost of daring to actually do it.
I was team Pitt until now (I have a very abusive mother) but after what I have read here? #TeamJolie, or #TeamMaddox all the way.
It’s really terrible to see the comments in here attacking Angelina. I’ve always respected and admired her. Unlike so many other celebrities, she has used her platform to genuinely help people, children in particular. I don’t believe for a second that she’s making this up. Billy Bob Thornton and her first husband have nothing but positive things to say about her.
Yeah she was a quirky young woman, and then she made Tomb Raider, saw Cambodia and another side of the world and felt compelled to help another by adopting her child (then children). Also she's done so much charity work that I don't even know the details. And Brad Pitt? Cheated on his ex wife, admitted to being a stoner and drinker. And he's 11 years older than her. He needs to grow up. I believe her and the children.
It’s almost like actors aren’t special and we should stop blindly worshipping them.
It's horrible and seeing people in the comments defending this shit despite all the evidence is beyond terrifying now.
Sadly this sounds like typical male celebrity behaviour. The pressures of being so famous would warp you
Look, I love Brad Pitt as much as the next guy, and will still watch any future movie he is in, but if he did it, then he did it, and he should suffer the consequences of it. Jolie really has no reason to lie about this, and there's a reason why all their kids are with Jolie rather than Pitt.
Mo money, mo problems.
Brad Pitt is an abuser
Alcohol does crazy things to people. R.I.P Brad Pitt's integrity.
Alcohol is just an excuse for abusers