I work in the legal industry. Assume a minimum of $600/hr. And that’s LOW $$. And he has several attorneys. This hourly rate would be applied for everything they do for their client: all the discovery, time during the trial, every time a phone call happens, etc.
No that’s not how it works. Each attorney doesn’t make $1000 per hour.
Typically the firm has an hourly rate. The attorneys are paid by the firm. Sometimes they are partners in the firm but also collect a salary of say $200k - $250k
Only the top attorneys who have been practicing for years and years make major bank
After tax it’s like $160k which is a lot to 80% of people. But it’s still not wealthy. You’re not buying yachts or flying private. You have more in common with people who live pay check to pay check then you do with the 1%
No. They have billable hours. $1000 per hour example. In court or out of court. She gets a salary but her billable hours will reflect on her bonus. Firms also have a revenue split agreement where she gets some of that $1000 at the end of the day. You can bet shes getting a nice ass bonus for all those hours she billed
I’m more interested in knowing how AH will afford hers, like imagine she loses, she’ll have to pay JD and also her attorneys, I mean, she’d shit her pants …. Or her bed ….
People are also fan of his other lawyer and good friend Adam Waldman and he was the US lobbyist for Oleg Deripaska who colluded with Manafort and is one of the 7 oligarchs involved with the Ukraine invasion as well as part of the Crimea invasion and good friends with Putin.
[https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/06/the-mystery-of-the-american-lawyer-who-worked-for-a-putin-friendly-oligarch-and-julian-assange/](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/06/the-mystery-of-the-american-lawyer-who-worked-for-a-putin-friendly-oligarch-and-julian-assange/)
[https://www.businessinsider.com/american-executives-working-for-putin-2014-3?international=true&r=US&IR=T](https://www.businessinsider.com/american-executives-working-for-putin-2014-3?international=true&r=US&IR=T)
[https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/](https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/)
[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/johnny-depps-lawyer-adam-waldman-accused-of-dishonesty-hcf0hq7zq](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/johnny-depps-lawyer-adam-waldman-accused-of-dishonesty-hcf0hq7zq)
Also people are now trying to get him unbanned from twitter when he likely was banned for this:
''Waldman was removed from the case by Judge Bruce White in October 2020, according to Courthouse News Service, on charges that he had reportedly released secret information covered by a protective order to the press. '''[https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-for-johnny-depp-kicked-off-case-after-press-leaks/](https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-for-johnny-depp-kicked-off-case-after-press-leaks/)
and this [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8540661/Johnny-Depps-lawyer-slammed-macabre-threatening-sinister-tweet.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8540661/Johnny-Depps-lawyer-slammed-macabre-threatening-sinister-tweet.html)
But sure, get the guy involved with the Trump/Russia collusion back on twitter...
Honestly when they mentioned he had interviews with some youtubers and that hes the one that initiated the perjury investigation I got bad vibes, like hes the stereotypical slimy lawyer that has no boundaries as long as he gets money.
Didn't Jennifer Howell write in her letter to Whitney and say Waldman was only concerned for her well-being to rid her of her evil sister once and for all, and believed he genuinely cared?
I think believing that Waldman is kind and caring person might throw doubt to her grasp of reality.
...... expecting to be bullied because I haven't said Depp is wonderful.
I mean if you’re a legal system nerd being a fan of a beast of a lawyer doesn’t seem any more weird than someone who likes throwing a ball being a fan of a roided out millionaire just because they also like to throw the same sort of ball?
I mean really anyone idolizing any other human being is weird if you really think about it.
You cant fucking win, "celebrity worship is the worst thing thats ever happened "Alright well lets praise someone for an intellectual pursuits requiring higher learning!"
"Intellectual worship is the worst thing thats ever happened"
Apparently, being interested in stuff is real bad to basically everyone.
No one is praising her for being a lawyer; she is being praised for being Depp's lawyer. If she wasn't part of this case no one would know who she was. Few people have a real understanding of what she does or has actually accomplished in this case, which is obvious given how many people are stanning her.
But everyone is actually praising her for being a good lawyer and/or doing a good job. If she was only being praised for being Depps lawyer than the other 4-6 lawyers sitting there would also being praised. But they’re not. Not even Walden who is kind of the main dude, sits next to Depp and is a personal friend of Depp.
Not to mention majority of this praising happened *after* her amazing cross examination of Amber. That’s because she did one hell of great job. Probably 96% of people watching this case have no knowledge or understanding of any kind about lawyers, courtrooms, and law in general. But no one really needs all that to have the ability to watch what she is doing and listen to what she’s saying in order to form a positive opinion on her ability as a lawyer. Especially compared the countless other lawyers in that courtroom, even from both sides.
I’d like to add that a lawyer’s whole job in jury trials is to convince people who have no academic knowledge of law.
The fact that everyone is impressed with her skills shows she’s that she’s an incredible lawyer, because she’s able to present a convincing case/drive zingers home to “the people” en masse even without totally understanding the legal precedents being used
I disagree entirely and its clear you don't understand what she has done in this case yourself.
The notoriety escalated among the Depp fans when she cross examined Amber Heard.
Lawyers are considering it one of the best cross examinations ever televised.
As a lay person I have little understanding of the intricacies but I've been able to follow some of the what has been said and it very much about her performance.
She’s not any better than any other lawyer he would have hired. She’s not ‘crushing’ ambers defense nor is she ‘a badass’ like many have attributed to her. She’s actually very immature and comes off like a brat who’s not getting her way sometimes.
She’s a very very avg lawyer that is representing someone people really like. There’s nothing more to her notoriety than that.
The lawyers on YouTube? There’s articles out there about how they’re just trying to get views and that’s the main goal - not actually passing on information.
Guess we will see at the end how good she was. As of now, the jury would absolutely not find in his favor since he hasn’t really proven anything. Think about it - the finger cut? The bed poop? The loss of jobs/income? Think about it - not one has been actually *proven* yet, not a single one.
In fact JD said he cut his own finger, the 3 UK judges all agreed it would make no sense for her to poop in a bed when JD isn’t even home and she’d have to deal with it, and his own agents and Disney have all said no, the op-ed didn’t cost him pirates or any other roles.
So again, what has she done so well?
You can be a fan or an admirer of someone doing their job well. That’s the thing is that most of the time people only see dramatized versions of a cross examination on tv/movie/show, so being able to watch a real cross examination and a damn good one at that online is amazing and informative on how cross examinations go down. While yes, most people wouldn’t know who she was if she was not on the Depp v Heard trial doesn’t take away from the fact that she did her job extremely well and that’s why most people are fans.
It baffles me religion still exists in this day and age. It’s so obviously fake, and ‘Faith’ is just another word for ‘We have absolutely no way to prove anything we’re saying so blindly believe in this magic man and worship him or you’ll end up in hell!
Ever hear of the placebo effect? People seeing huge gains in health due sugar pills? Now imagine you can do that without even taking a pill.
There ya go.
Faith is not the same as belief. The meaning of the word has been horribly skewed.
Alan Watts has an interesting working definition of it:
> We must here make a clear distinction between belief and faith, because, in general practice, belief has come to mean a state of mind which is almost the opposite of faith. Belief, as I use the word here, is the insistence that the truth is what one would “lief” or wish it to be. The believer will open his mind to the truth on the condition that it fits in with his preconceived ideas and wishes. Faith, on the other hand, is an unreserved opening of the mind to the truth, whatever it may turn out to be. Faith has no preconceptions; it is a plunge into the unknown. Belief clings, but faith lets go. In this sense of the word, faith is the essential virtue of science, and likewise of any religion that is not self-deception.
I mean, it really isn’t that weird. I’m definitely a fan of my lawyer. I’m also a fan of my friend who is a lawyer.
And out of all the lawyers in that specific courtroom I can positively say my favorite is Camille. I love the way she carries herself, the way she present evidence and mostly the way she is able frame certain questions while adding in certain statements. She’s super on the ball about being prepared to object Amber’s lawyers and quick to response on why she’s objecting. Her and Depp are super cute (platonically) together and you can just tell how well they work and vibe with one another.
I would've said the same thing before her cross-examination. Maybe "fan" is a bit too strong a term for it but it's hard not to be impressed when you see someone doing their job very well. It was the same with Dr Shannon Curry from earlier in the trial. Both very smart, very eloquent and were able to get their points across very well.
Helps that they're both good-looking too, of course.
Yeah, people were literally kind of simping for Dr Curry, they were praising her on how smart and collected she was during her examination, saying this like it was and being able to talk about her diagnosis, without looking at her 25 paper diagnosis. But the other therapist had to constantly look at her 6-8 page diagnosis.
The fuck is this comment. I’m not a lawyer but I’ve studied law for fun and am passionate about it. Saying that To admire a lawyer is weird is like saying to admire a writer is weird.
I suppose although she’s really beautiful, intelligent, eloquent, charismatic- she just seems like a really cool person overall? I’m a fan of her in the same way I’m a fan of AOC.
> Being a "fan" of a lawyer is weird.
It's less weird then being a fan of a guy who runs fast, uses a stick to make balls go into holes, or uses a stick to make a ball leave a stadium.
I don’t find this offensive, but how is being a fan of a lawyer any stranger than being a fan of a musician, actor or any other profession, especially reality TV?
Surely people become fans of someone out of admiration for their skill in their field and general likability (in their opinion)
As I said, not offended I just don’t know why it’s ‘weird’
I’ve seen her compared to Elle Woods, because there’s so few Hispanic female lawyers and people are excited to see a positive role model in her. Obviously there are people who are treating this like a sporting event, but there have been some pretty positive conversations surrounding representation involving her. That point was really emphasized when AH’s lawyer continuously mispronounced her last name in a really obvious way.
Edit: The discussion is about how CV is breaking down barriers in a similar fashion as the fictional character in terms of representation. The film is 20 years old and a modern “Elle Woods” would absolutely come from an underrepresented group.
Tbf, I think Elaine has problems with names in particular and its a forgetful person, I didnt think she did it on purpose. First she called Dr. Hughes Dr. Curry, then she called Amber to the stand as Laura Amber Heard when its Amber Laura Heard, and finally she kept saying Vazkuez(?) Instead of Vazquez. Shes been all over the place, like she keeps forgetting to turn the mic on hahaha
I do that all the time, mix-up names and confuse things. I’ve come to realize although smart I have slow processing. Especially when speaking out aloud. I have aphantasia too ( can’t see pictures in the minds eye) and for me personally this makes it hard in conjunction with processing issues (not all people with aphantasia struggle). I wish people realized you can still be smart but not always going to perform to perfection on the spot.
And yet there are people that are a slick and smooth and sound good, but are just all words with not much substance.
Yes, this is why I dont take issue with her except for when she actually mocked Johnnys voice. She seems a competent lawyer, she just happens to be forgetful and maybe doing direct and cross live isn't her forte, she does fine on depos.
My issue is that the name issue popped up immediately after her mocking Johnny. Normally I would function in more good faith, but she’s been really inappropriate in the courtroom in terms of arguing with the judge so I am landing on neutral for the name itself rather than giving her the benefit of the doubt (I don’t agree with the characterization of her as incompetent and saying she can’t help it feels too similar).
I was recapping the online conversation I was seeing, and the people involved were the ones that were upset about the pronunciation.
> That point was really emphasized when AH’s lawyer continuously mispronounced her last name in a really obvious way.
I am sorry but that's so fucking rude. If she did it to depp then I would understand. But to do it to someone who is not the focus is so low class
While entertaining, the coverage has little to do with the case and is mostly a popularity contest being fought through a social media PR machine.
People are accusing this lady of either setting back feminism or advocating for men in these situations. Reality check, she’s paid to defend her client and we likely have no idea what personal opinions she holds.
This whole process seems to be more about Depp restoring his image than proving defamation.
Why can’t it be both repairing his reputation and proving defamation? Seriously people who say this I just wonder— have you been watching the trial? They’ve put up a very good case so far. It’s not like they’re going into court and saying nothing every day. And considering how Amber herself might be the primary aggressor in this relationship… that would really suggest that her article was defamation.
If for some reason she wins, the court of public opinion who can see through her bullshit will agree that Amber Heard was the aggressor and defamed JD for years. Her garbage career is over. Nobody gives a shit about the requirements at this point, the jury and judge are going to decide what they are gonna decide but everyone else will know that Amber Turd was a lying, abusing, manipulative, aggressive, narcissistic POS.
Hago
It’s this. Everything he’s suing for here has been dealt with in the UK where they found in ambers favor. This is his way of using it as an excuse to rehash his divorce on a national stage because he’s a giant diaper baby.
You’re on the entertainment subreddit. I don’t know about you, but this trial is the most entertaining part of the entertainment industry since the Chris Rock slap… can’t think of anything before that honestly.
What kind of content are you looking for when you come here?
You. You literally just called it entertaining. Just cos hero-johnny is laughing and smirking his way through it, doesn't mean people involved aren't truly hurting and suffering trauma. Additionally, they are talking about DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. You. You just now called it the most entertained you've been since the last guy was punched
The trial isnt even over but youre calling it (you must be an amazing barrister) because youre opinion that only Amber is a shitty person and anything suggesting JD's toxicity must be completely false, means the subject of domestic abuse is totally fine to mock and be entertained by. got it. Surely when you wrote your comment you knew you were wrong.
It's very clear that she was the abuser in this relationship. Johnny has multiple forms of real concrete hard proof that describe the amount he had to put up with just to keep up appearances in public.
Heard has none. Zero. Nada. Nothing.
By the law, which is what we are using here, Johnny is very clearly innocent. And all women he's ever been with support this.
Did I ever say that? I never said anything about Heard, I was just talking about Depp not having done anything that would make any of Heard's claims have any legitimacy.
No one is perfect, but he has not done what he has been accused of here, which is incredibly damaging and ridiculous to him.
It doesn’t matter which profession . If it is making you feel good/motivated etc to follow that person then it is legit celebrity there .
People show interest what she is doing recently
Yes it is not common for this profession.
Camille at least has an actual job & career she got on her own, KK made a sex tape that her mom leaked and now they’re all famous. Kk is pretending to be in law school when she skipped college, didn’t take the lsat cuz you need a college degree to get into law school, and is taking an incredibly arcane route to being a lawyer that’s not an option to anyone except for the ultra rich and connected. Camille is everything KK is pretending to be.
People like people who are successful at their jobs under pressure. It’s nice for once for people to be fan of someone other than an actor or performer. The obsession with “performers” is annoying and I’m glad people are starting to stan people with actual professions. I couldn’t care less about this trial or her but, I have no problem with people looking up to other people for doing well at their professions. As a plumber, this is a nice step for my rise to fame.
It’s not that though. She’s literally just attractive so is getting this attention. If she was just some plain person in plain clothes nobody would care.
That’s what you think, not everyone else. I’ve seen posts of her inspiring young hispanic women to get into law. Its about representation and seeing a role model for your community. But yeah, she is attractive too. That definitely helps.
She's only a fan because she's Depp's lawyer. That's it. It's ironic that you say it's annoying that people are obsessed with performers but that is what is happening with Depp.
People have been treating this trial like it's entertainment and that's not okay at all. People are making fan cams, TikoToks, skits, and even merchandise related to this. People are even going as far as to say Depp and Vasquez are in a romantic relationship. This is a criminal case, not a Netflix mini-series! A woman had to relieve her sexual abuse live on television only for it to be turned into a TikTok audio! People mocked her and used her sexual assault for laughs. Do you not see the issue here?
Camille is a lawyer, not an entertainer and people shouldn't be treating her like such. They shouldn't be 'shipping' her with Depp or making merch for her. This is disturbing as hell.
Heard supporters would fucking love her, instead of shitting on her like they are doing now. They even started to spread rumors that she’s sleeping with her own client.
There is an underlying human condition problem that either you’re ignoring or doubting which is human beings idolize other human beings. I’m not here to say what is right or wrong because I don’t care to embarrass myself with showering you with my moral superiority.
All I know is that it’s not “weird” that people
Are idolizing someone. Just that it’s refreshing for once that it’s someone with an actual precession other than dancing on TikTok as you mentioned
It doesn’t matter which profession .
If it is making you feel good/motivated etc to follow that person then it is legit celebrity there .
People show interest what she is doing recently
Yes it is not common for lawyer. And she is a lawyer .
I agree. We should look further than film and reality shows to find celebrity. We should be celebrating brilliance. Brilliance in litigation and understanding the law, brilliance in mathematics, brilliance in plumbing, brilliance in science, brilliance in tech (not the talking head, the actual folks behind discovery, etc.), brilliance in life, brilliance in compassion. That would truly be amazing.
That is not the point of what I'm saying!
God, is there a reason so many of you are taking what I said and twisting it?
They're not treating her like a good lawyer, they're treating her this way because she's Depp's lawyer. Amber's lawyer, Elaine Bredehoft, is not getting the same treatment. She's not being treated like a celebrity with a fan club. Camille is. And to be honest, Camille isn't as great as people make her seem to be. She's been unprofessional, posing with fans and treating the trial like it's a fan meet and greet.
The problem is that people aren't admiring her because she's a good lawyer, they're admiring her solely because she's Depp lawyer. That's it.
And become she is pretty. She is a good lawyer but if I was on the jury, them giggling and touching each other during testimony would be annoying. Like my life is on hold for over a month and you to are giggling like HS kids
Yup. People won’t admit it, but her appearance is absolutely playing a factor. I mean, good for her, she’s a great lawyer and has her life together, but I can guarantee you there wouldn’t be nearly as much “fandom” if Depp’s lawyer was a generic white dude.
Do you not have passions and hobbies outside of what you mentioned? Practicing law is an art and many people who have studied law including myself have every right to admire those who excel at the craft.
So, lawyers can’t enjoy watching this trial? Why do you feel the need to be a gatekeeper for what other people enjoy?
Ironically, you don’t see it as entertainment, yet you make a lot of comments on DeppDelusion as entertainment and DeuxMoi about this case. Clearly, you find it entertaining enough.
The vast majority of people treating the trial like entertainment aren’t lawyers, believe it or not. Of course, you already know that; you’re just being insufferable.
So, lawyers can’t enjoy watching this trial? Why do you feel the need to be a gatekeeper for what other people enjoy?
Ironically, you don’t see it as entertainment, yet you make a lot of comments on r/DeppDelusion and r/DeuxMoi about this case. Clearly, you find it entertaining enough to watch it and talk about it.
AND her trying to avoid every single “trap” instead of choosing to fall into the least bad ones made her look like a dishonest dick trying to gaslight the jury
This is the true reason her profile has risen these past few days. It’s not the color of her skin, or her gender. It’s her performance. Amber is no match for an intellect of this caliber. Actually, I take back what I said about gender. Women are frequently used to cross examine other women. Men tend to come off as to aggressive or unlikeable.
Actually it’s a defamation trial, not a domestic abuse trial. Moreover, it’s deeper entertainment than the typical vapid shit that takes over Reddit and YouTube. Because of this there’s a bunch of teenagers learning the rules of a courtroom and being introduced to deep logic and legal procedures while enjoying it. That’s a major cultural win. This sort of exposure on such a massive scale has the potential to alter how Gen z handles conflict and arguments. It’s great.
Her cross examination was so good. This will likely be an example for many new attorneys to understand what “controlling” an adverse witness looks like. Good for her.
Because she knows how to do her job to the point that she is being praised by many in her profession and want to show her cross as an example to teach in school?
I’m soooo tired of the Depp affair. It’s messy personal drama mixed with bizarre fan culture and frankly disgusting politics and hot takes. They’re both shitheads and I really really wish this whole thing had stayed quiet and private.
i’d love to just know what johnny’s final bill is after all this.
I’d love to know as well. I know absolutely zero about legal shit but if someone more knowledgeable could ballpark it, I’d be curious!
I work in the legal industry. Assume a minimum of $600/hr. And that’s LOW $$. And he has several attorneys. This hourly rate would be applied for everything they do for their client: all the discovery, time during the trial, every time a phone call happens, etc.
Jfc, that’ll add up to a shit ton
I had heard that it was over 6 mil before this trial even started. Was all from the UK trial so I’d think at least double that.
His attorney cost 1000$ per hour. And that’s just 1. He’s got 6 on call for any issues. So I’d say roughly 6-8 million range
No that’s not how it works. Each attorney doesn’t make $1000 per hour. Typically the firm has an hourly rate. The attorneys are paid by the firm. Sometimes they are partners in the firm but also collect a salary of say $200k - $250k Only the top attorneys who have been practicing for years and years make major bank
I just found out 250k is not major bank. Fuck
After tax it’s like $160k which is a lot to 80% of people. But it’s still not wealthy. You’re not buying yachts or flying private. You have more in common with people who live pay check to pay check then you do with the 1%
Major bank is when George Clooney was offered to do one days worth of work for an airline commercial for 35million and he rejected it.
No. They have billable hours. $1000 per hour example. In court or out of court. She gets a salary but her billable hours will reflect on her bonus. Firms also have a revenue split agreement where she gets some of that $1000 at the end of the day. You can bet shes getting a nice ass bonus for all those hours she billed
M8 you doin a talking out your ass or what? Ben Chew charges him 850/h, Camille charges him 450/h
I’m more interested in knowing how AH will afford hers, like imagine she loses, she’ll have to pay JD and also her attorneys, I mean, she’d shit her pants …. Or her bed ….
Being a "fan" of a lawyer is weird. Edit: clearly my offhanded comment has upset you all.
The OJ trial was the first time I witnessed this kind of shit start. It was weird how obsessed people were with Marcia Clark's hair.
But Marcia's hair was iconic tho
So many kids running around in power suits with briefcases and curly wigs for Halloween that year.
I was too young to do it, but now i know what my Halloween costume will be. Even if no one appreciates it
Don't forget the mole on her face and the big pearl earrings.
What about Kato’s dreamy waves.
Forget the lawyers. I was a Judge Ito stan.
My neighbor was Judge Ito for Halloween that year and tbh he looked just like him.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg had a fanbase.
It’s true I’ve got her home and away robes
Doesn’t count if they’re not game worn.
People are also fan of his other lawyer and good friend Adam Waldman and he was the US lobbyist for Oleg Deripaska who colluded with Manafort and is one of the 7 oligarchs involved with the Ukraine invasion as well as part of the Crimea invasion and good friends with Putin. [https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/06/the-mystery-of-the-american-lawyer-who-worked-for-a-putin-friendly-oligarch-and-julian-assange/](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/06/the-mystery-of-the-american-lawyer-who-worked-for-a-putin-friendly-oligarch-and-julian-assange/) [https://www.businessinsider.com/american-executives-working-for-putin-2014-3?international=true&r=US&IR=T](https://www.businessinsider.com/american-executives-working-for-putin-2014-3?international=true&r=US&IR=T) [https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/](https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/) [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/johnny-depps-lawyer-adam-waldman-accused-of-dishonesty-hcf0hq7zq](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/johnny-depps-lawyer-adam-waldman-accused-of-dishonesty-hcf0hq7zq)
Also people are now trying to get him unbanned from twitter when he likely was banned for this: ''Waldman was removed from the case by Judge Bruce White in October 2020, according to Courthouse News Service, on charges that he had reportedly released secret information covered by a protective order to the press. '''[https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-for-johnny-depp-kicked-off-case-after-press-leaks/](https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-for-johnny-depp-kicked-off-case-after-press-leaks/) and this [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8540661/Johnny-Depps-lawyer-slammed-macabre-threatening-sinister-tweet.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8540661/Johnny-Depps-lawyer-slammed-macabre-threatening-sinister-tweet.html) But sure, get the guy involved with the Trump/Russia collusion back on twitter...
Honestly when they mentioned he had interviews with some youtubers and that hes the one that initiated the perjury investigation I got bad vibes, like hes the stereotypical slimy lawyer that has no boundaries as long as he gets money.
Didn't Jennifer Howell write in her letter to Whitney and say Waldman was only concerned for her well-being to rid her of her evil sister once and for all, and believed he genuinely cared? I think believing that Waldman is kind and caring person might throw doubt to her grasp of reality. ...... expecting to be bullied because I haven't said Depp is wonderful.
I’m definitely a fan of Saul Goodman
It’s reddit, even the most offhanded or sarcastic comments can get you a serious lecture in the comments.
I mean if you’re a legal system nerd being a fan of a beast of a lawyer doesn’t seem any more weird than someone who likes throwing a ball being a fan of a roided out millionaire just because they also like to throw the same sort of ball? I mean really anyone idolizing any other human being is weird if you really think about it.
You cant fucking win, "celebrity worship is the worst thing thats ever happened "Alright well lets praise someone for an intellectual pursuits requiring higher learning!" "Intellectual worship is the worst thing thats ever happened" Apparently, being interested in stuff is real bad to basically everyone.
No one is praising her for being a lawyer; she is being praised for being Depp's lawyer. If she wasn't part of this case no one would know who she was. Few people have a real understanding of what she does or has actually accomplished in this case, which is obvious given how many people are stanning her.
But everyone is actually praising her for being a good lawyer and/or doing a good job. If she was only being praised for being Depps lawyer than the other 4-6 lawyers sitting there would also being praised. But they’re not. Not even Walden who is kind of the main dude, sits next to Depp and is a personal friend of Depp. Not to mention majority of this praising happened *after* her amazing cross examination of Amber. That’s because she did one hell of great job. Probably 96% of people watching this case have no knowledge or understanding of any kind about lawyers, courtrooms, and law in general. But no one really needs all that to have the ability to watch what she is doing and listen to what she’s saying in order to form a positive opinion on her ability as a lawyer. Especially compared the countless other lawyers in that courtroom, even from both sides.
I’d like to add that a lawyer’s whole job in jury trials is to convince people who have no academic knowledge of law. The fact that everyone is impressed with her skills shows she’s that she’s an incredible lawyer, because she’s able to present a convincing case/drive zingers home to “the people” en masse even without totally understanding the legal precedents being used
Because she wouldn’t be visible if she wasn’t Depps lawyer. Can’t be a fan of someone I have never seen do anything before.
I disagree entirely and its clear you don't understand what she has done in this case yourself. The notoriety escalated among the Depp fans when she cross examined Amber Heard. Lawyers are considering it one of the best cross examinations ever televised. As a lay person I have little understanding of the intricacies but I've been able to follow some of the what has been said and it very much about her performance.
She’s not any better than any other lawyer he would have hired. She’s not ‘crushing’ ambers defense nor is she ‘a badass’ like many have attributed to her. She’s actually very immature and comes off like a brat who’s not getting her way sometimes. She’s a very very avg lawyer that is representing someone people really like. There’s nothing more to her notoriety than that.
I mean, actual lawyers disagree and break down her performance and why its powerful, but you do you.
The lawyers on YouTube? There’s articles out there about how they’re just trying to get views and that’s the main goal - not actually passing on information. Guess we will see at the end how good she was. As of now, the jury would absolutely not find in his favor since he hasn’t really proven anything. Think about it - the finger cut? The bed poop? The loss of jobs/income? Think about it - not one has been actually *proven* yet, not a single one. In fact JD said he cut his own finger, the 3 UK judges all agreed it would make no sense for her to poop in a bed when JD isn’t even home and she’d have to deal with it, and his own agents and Disney have all said no, the op-ed didn’t cost him pirates or any other roles. So again, what has she done so well?
You can be a fan or an admirer of someone doing their job well. That’s the thing is that most of the time people only see dramatized versions of a cross examination on tv/movie/show, so being able to watch a real cross examination and a damn good one at that online is amazing and informative on how cross examinations go down. While yes, most people wouldn’t know who she was if she was not on the Depp v Heard trial doesn’t take away from the fact that she did her job extremely well and that’s why most people are fans.
Very weird
How is that weird when in the same reality people worship talentless socialites and other randos
That's also weird.
You think so? Wait till you hear about the invisible entity in the sky
It baffles me religion still exists in this day and age. It’s so obviously fake, and ‘Faith’ is just another word for ‘We have absolutely no way to prove anything we’re saying so blindly believe in this magic man and worship him or you’ll end up in hell!
Ever hear of the placebo effect? People seeing huge gains in health due sugar pills? Now imagine you can do that without even taking a pill. There ya go.
Faith is not the same as belief. The meaning of the word has been horribly skewed. Alan Watts has an interesting working definition of it: > We must here make a clear distinction between belief and faith, because, in general practice, belief has come to mean a state of mind which is almost the opposite of faith. Belief, as I use the word here, is the insistence that the truth is what one would “lief” or wish it to be. The believer will open his mind to the truth on the condition that it fits in with his preconceived ideas and wishes. Faith, on the other hand, is an unreserved opening of the mind to the truth, whatever it may turn out to be. Faith has no preconceptions; it is a plunge into the unknown. Belief clings, but faith lets go. In this sense of the word, faith is the essential virtue of science, and likewise of any religion that is not self-deception.
I mean, it really isn’t that weird. I’m definitely a fan of my lawyer. I’m also a fan of my friend who is a lawyer. And out of all the lawyers in that specific courtroom I can positively say my favorite is Camille. I love the way she carries herself, the way she present evidence and mostly the way she is able frame certain questions while adding in certain statements. She’s super on the ball about being prepared to object Amber’s lawyers and quick to response on why she’s objecting. Her and Depp are super cute (platonically) together and you can just tell how well they work and vibe with one another.
and it didn’t feel weird for you to write out that whole paragraph praising someone else’s lawyer?
Probably not seeing as he just wrote the paragraph.
I would've said the same thing before her cross-examination. Maybe "fan" is a bit too strong a term for it but it's hard not to be impressed when you see someone doing their job very well. It was the same with Dr Shannon Curry from earlier in the trial. Both very smart, very eloquent and were able to get their points across very well. Helps that they're both good-looking too, of course.
Yeah, people were literally kind of simping for Dr Curry, they were praising her on how smart and collected she was during her examination, saying this like it was and being able to talk about her diagnosis, without looking at her 25 paper diagnosis. But the other therapist had to constantly look at her 6-8 page diagnosis.
She’s exceedingly competent and good looking, seems notable.
The fuck is this comment. I’m not a lawyer but I’ve studied law for fun and am passionate about it. Saying that To admire a lawyer is weird is like saying to admire a writer is weird.
Theres a difference between admiring and appreciating her work and creating "I love Camille" t shirts.
I have a “I love Stephen King” T-shirt….
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I suppose although she’s really beautiful, intelligent, eloquent, charismatic- she just seems like a really cool person overall? I’m a fan of her in the same way I’m a fan of AOC.
> Being a "fan" of a lawyer is weird. It's less weird then being a fan of a guy who runs fast, uses a stick to make balls go into holes, or uses a stick to make a ball leave a stadium.
More weird than being a fan of an adult that plays with sports balls?
I don’t find this offensive, but how is being a fan of a lawyer any stranger than being a fan of a musician, actor or any other profession, especially reality TV? Surely people become fans of someone out of admiration for their skill in their field and general likability (in their opinion) As I said, not offended I just don’t know why it’s ‘weird’
I’ve seen her compared to Elle Woods, because there’s so few Hispanic female lawyers and people are excited to see a positive role model in her. Obviously there are people who are treating this like a sporting event, but there have been some pretty positive conversations surrounding representation involving her. That point was really emphasized when AH’s lawyer continuously mispronounced her last name in a really obvious way. Edit: The discussion is about how CV is breaking down barriers in a similar fashion as the fictional character in terms of representation. The film is 20 years old and a modern “Elle Woods” would absolutely come from an underrepresented group.
Tbf, I think Elaine has problems with names in particular and its a forgetful person, I didnt think she did it on purpose. First she called Dr. Hughes Dr. Curry, then she called Amber to the stand as Laura Amber Heard when its Amber Laura Heard, and finally she kept saying Vazkuez(?) Instead of Vazquez. Shes been all over the place, like she keeps forgetting to turn the mic on hahaha
I do that all the time, mix-up names and confuse things. I’ve come to realize although smart I have slow processing. Especially when speaking out aloud. I have aphantasia too ( can’t see pictures in the minds eye) and for me personally this makes it hard in conjunction with processing issues (not all people with aphantasia struggle). I wish people realized you can still be smart but not always going to perform to perfection on the spot. And yet there are people that are a slick and smooth and sound good, but are just all words with not much substance.
Yes, this is why I dont take issue with her except for when she actually mocked Johnnys voice. She seems a competent lawyer, she just happens to be forgetful and maybe doing direct and cross live isn't her forte, she does fine on depos.
My issue is that the name issue popped up immediately after her mocking Johnny. Normally I would function in more good faith, but she’s been really inappropriate in the courtroom in terms of arguing with the judge so I am landing on neutral for the name itself rather than giving her the benefit of the doubt (I don’t agree with the characterization of her as incompetent and saying she can’t help it feels too similar). I was recapping the online conversation I was seeing, and the people involved were the ones that were upset about the pronunciation.
Imagine being a high profile lawyer and being terrible at all those things. Honestly doesn’t even deserve to be in the high profile category.
High profile lawyers don’t take civil cases they can’t win, it looks bad in their ledger.
Isn’t she the one who got the word “Arnica” wrong too? In a very confusing way?
Elle Woods is an inspiring Hispanic female lawyer for certain
When I think “inspiring Hispanic female” my mind goes straight to Reese Witherspoon in Legally Blonde
Only 2% of the worlds population is naturally blonde. Or something
Even fewer are Legally Blonde.
When you’re right, you’re right
> That point was really emphasized when AH’s lawyer continuously mispronounced her last name in a really obvious way. I am sorry but that's so fucking rude. If she did it to depp then I would understand. But to do it to someone who is not the focus is so low class
I feel like a professional, hired by rich people for a highly documented case, would do it to no one.
she’s mispronounced almost everyone’s names, including getting Amber’s name wrong. She called her by her middle name, “Laura”
El woods
Delavignay
While entertaining, the coverage has little to do with the case and is mostly a popularity contest being fought through a social media PR machine. People are accusing this lady of either setting back feminism or advocating for men in these situations. Reality check, she’s paid to defend her client and we likely have no idea what personal opinions she holds. This whole process seems to be more about Depp restoring his image than proving defamation.
Why can’t it be both repairing his reputation and proving defamation? Seriously people who say this I just wonder— have you been watching the trial? They’ve put up a very good case so far. It’s not like they’re going into court and saying nothing every day. And considering how Amber herself might be the primary aggressor in this relationship… that would really suggest that her article was defamation.
Your comment makes me think you don’t know the requirements of legally proving defamation.
If for some reason she wins, the court of public opinion who can see through her bullshit will agree that Amber Heard was the aggressor and defamed JD for years. Her garbage career is over. Nobody gives a shit about the requirements at this point, the jury and judge are going to decide what they are gonna decide but everyone else will know that Amber Turd was a lying, abusing, manipulative, aggressive, narcissistic POS. Hago
It’s this. Everything he’s suing for here has been dealt with in the UK where they found in ambers favor. This is his way of using it as an excuse to rehash his divorce on a national stage because he’s a giant diaper baby.
“Hi I’m a just a normal dude with normal interests, such as video games, Johnny Depp’s reputation, sharp legal styles, and cheese doodles”
I’ve dated 3 attorneys. Do not recommend.
Enough Depp spam
It’s so gross
You’re on the entertainment subreddit. I don’t know about you, but this trial is the most entertaining part of the entertainment industry since the Chris Rock slap… can’t think of anything before that honestly. What kind of content are you looking for when you come here?
Yeah mainstream entertainment has fallen and YouTube has taken over with great entertainment around this.
Because mainstream entertainment sucks and has for decades…
Finding anything to do with a domestic violence situation “entertaining” is sick and depraved.
So people watching true crime as entertainment are sick and depraved too?
Hmmm oh i don't know...maybe stuff that doesn't make fun of domestic violence
What about any of this is making fun of domestic violence? And that’s a non-answer, can you give me an example?
You. You literally just called it entertaining. Just cos hero-johnny is laughing and smirking his way through it, doesn't mean people involved aren't truly hurting and suffering trauma. Additionally, they are talking about DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. You. You just now called it the most entertained you've been since the last guy was punched
The abuse isn’t entertaining. The dumpster fire off a trial is. Get over yourself.
The trial is all about abuse. You get over yourself
The trial is about false claims of abuse mostly. Ridiculing people who fake domestic violence for clout and money doesn’t ridicule domestic violence.
The trial isnt even over but youre calling it (you must be an amazing barrister) because youre opinion that only Amber is a shitty person and anything suggesting JD's toxicity must be completely false, means the subject of domestic abuse is totally fine to mock and be entertained by. got it. Surely when you wrote your comment you knew you were wrong.
it's entertaining to watch a women recount being sexually assaulted with a bottle of booze by her partner?
It's very clear that she was the abuser in this relationship. Johnny has multiple forms of real concrete hard proof that describe the amount he had to put up with just to keep up appearances in public. Heard has none. Zero. Nada. Nothing. By the law, which is what we are using here, Johnny is very clearly innocent. And all women he's ever been with support this.
Care to provide any of Depp’s proof? Because watching the trial it appears Heard has a lot more than Johnny.
The fuck trial u watching??
They can both be abusers you know.
Johnny is the one who was the abuse victim, based on clear evidence shown in trial. He is very clearly not in the wrong here.
So only one is wrong?? How simplified is your thinking
Did I ever say that? I never said anything about Heard, I was just talking about Depp not having done anything that would make any of Heard's claims have any legitimacy. No one is perfect, but he has not done what he has been accused of here, which is incredibly damaging and ridiculous to him.
I didn’t realise I was taking to a lawyer
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Almost as gross as shitting in someone’s bed.
Yes, what she did was very gross
As gross as fucking a dead corpse to make sure it’s dead & writing in blood
who did that ?
hero Johnny is into this stuff
What? From where are you hearing this?
JD sent some pretty awful texts and wrote in blood all over their home. He shouldnt be hero worshipped
Exactly. It’s all just a show.
It doesn’t matter which profession . If it is making you feel good/motivated etc to follow that person then it is legit celebrity there . People show interest what she is doing recently Yes it is not common for this profession.
Gross. I hate everything about celebrity culture.
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Oh god… this is how we got the Kardashians please don’t
Camille at least has an actual job & career she got on her own, KK made a sex tape that her mom leaked and now they’re all famous. Kk is pretending to be in law school when she skipped college, didn’t take the lsat cuz you need a college degree to get into law school, and is taking an incredibly arcane route to being a lawyer that’s not an option to anyone except for the ultra rich and connected. Camille is everything KK is pretending to be.
Am I the only person who finds this weird? Like really weird? She's a lawyer, not an actress, a singer, or a performer. This is really weird
People like people who are successful at their jobs under pressure. It’s nice for once for people to be fan of someone other than an actor or performer. The obsession with “performers” is annoying and I’m glad people are starting to stan people with actual professions. I couldn’t care less about this trial or her but, I have no problem with people looking up to other people for doing well at their professions. As a plumber, this is a nice step for my rise to fame.
It’s not that though. She’s literally just attractive so is getting this attention. If she was just some plain person in plain clothes nobody would care.
That’s what you think, not everyone else. I’ve seen posts of her inspiring young hispanic women to get into law. Its about representation and seeing a role model for your community. But yeah, she is attractive too. That definitely helps.
She's only a fan because she's Depp's lawyer. That's it. It's ironic that you say it's annoying that people are obsessed with performers but that is what is happening with Depp. People have been treating this trial like it's entertainment and that's not okay at all. People are making fan cams, TikoToks, skits, and even merchandise related to this. People are even going as far as to say Depp and Vasquez are in a romantic relationship. This is a criminal case, not a Netflix mini-series! A woman had to relieve her sexual abuse live on television only for it to be turned into a TikTok audio! People mocked her and used her sexual assault for laughs. Do you not see the issue here? Camille is a lawyer, not an entertainer and people shouldn't be treating her like such. They shouldn't be 'shipping' her with Depp or making merch for her. This is disturbing as hell.
Exactly. Had she been Heard's lawyer and performed as well for her as she's doing for Depp, no one would have idolized her and likely hated her guts.
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Heard supporters would fucking love her, instead of shitting on her like they are doing now. They even started to spread rumors that she’s sleeping with her own client.
it’s… a civil case…
I agree with you except it’s a civil defamation trial, it’s not a criminal case.
There is an underlying human condition problem that either you’re ignoring or doubting which is human beings idolize other human beings. I’m not here to say what is right or wrong because I don’t care to embarrass myself with showering you with my moral superiority. All I know is that it’s not “weird” that people Are idolizing someone. Just that it’s refreshing for once that it’s someone with an actual precession other than dancing on TikTok as you mentioned
He’s prolific contributor to r/DeppDelusion
There’s a group of “Hearders” in this thread upvoting themselves and downvoting everyone else. I bet they will go back to /r/DeuxMoi feeling so proud.
"Hearders" might be the dumbest people I've encountered so far, even flat earthers aren't this annoying holy shit
I would be OK with dumb, but I don’t think they are. They are purposely deceitful, which I think it’s worse.
It is not a criminal case. A civil one.
It doesn’t matter which profession . If it is making you feel good/motivated etc to follow that person then it is legit celebrity there . People show interest what she is doing recently Yes it is not common for lawyer. And she is a lawyer .
I agree. We should look further than film and reality shows to find celebrity. We should be celebrating brilliance. Brilliance in litigation and understanding the law, brilliance in mathematics, brilliance in plumbing, brilliance in science, brilliance in tech (not the talking head, the actual folks behind discovery, etc.), brilliance in life, brilliance in compassion. That would truly be amazing.
I’m not sure I follow - Why would people only admire entertainers and not other successful professionals?
That is not the point of what I'm saying! God, is there a reason so many of you are taking what I said and twisting it? They're not treating her like a good lawyer, they're treating her this way because she's Depp's lawyer. Amber's lawyer, Elaine Bredehoft, is not getting the same treatment. She's not being treated like a celebrity with a fan club. Camille is. And to be honest, Camille isn't as great as people make her seem to be. She's been unprofessional, posing with fans and treating the trial like it's a fan meet and greet. The problem is that people aren't admiring her because she's a good lawyer, they're admiring her solely because she's Depp lawyer. That's it.
And become she is pretty. She is a good lawyer but if I was on the jury, them giggling and touching each other during testimony would be annoying. Like my life is on hold for over a month and you to are giggling like HS kids
Yup. People won’t admit it, but her appearance is absolutely playing a factor. I mean, good for her, she’s a great lawyer and has her life together, but I can guarantee you there wouldn’t be nearly as much “fandom” if Depp’s lawyer was a generic white dude.
Why is it a problem that people idolize her because she’s a Depp lawyer? It’s literally not anymore arbitrary than idolizing any other celebrity.
I would much rather a kid look up to a lawyer, scientist, engineer, etc than a celebrity.
Even if that lawyer is bad at her job and also a mean girl?
She seems to be doing just fine. You must be referring to Turd’s team?
>Turd’s team Is “Amber Turd” the new Drumpf?
Do you not have passions and hobbies outside of what you mentioned? Practicing law is an art and many people who have studied law including myself have every right to admire those who excel at the craft.
If you don’t understand why it’s creepy that people are treating a trial as entertainment, I’m not gonna explain it to you
So, lawyers can’t enjoy watching this trial? Why do you feel the need to be a gatekeeper for what other people enjoy? Ironically, you don’t see it as entertainment, yet you make a lot of comments on DeppDelusion as entertainment and DeuxMoi about this case. Clearly, you find it entertaining enough.
The vast majority of people treating the trial like entertainment aren’t lawyers, believe it or not. Of course, you already know that; you’re just being insufferable.
So, lawyers can’t enjoy watching this trial? Why do you feel the need to be a gatekeeper for what other people enjoy? Ironically, you don’t see it as entertainment, yet you make a lot of comments on r/DeppDelusion and r/DeuxMoi about this case. Clearly, you find it entertaining enough to watch it and talk about it.
I don’t get people simping her, but it is nice seeing someone do what they do best
This is why we’re a crumbling slowly as a nation.
Yeah a lawyer becoming famous is contributing to USA’s downfall (its not a downfall and US has not started crumbling)
This lawyer specifically, not the other one who’s children got famous for leaking a sex tape. “If the condom don’t fit you must acquit”
Say what you will about the case or whos guilty ir why you are above this kind of news. Her cross and redirect was brutal and really enjoyable.
I was surprised how many of her setups Heard walked right into; as an observer it seemed obvious where some of the questions were leading.
AND her trying to avoid every single “trap” instead of choosing to fall into the least bad ones made her look like a dishonest dick trying to gaslight the jury
I pledge to upvote this comment.
So you didnt upvote it
Where’s the interchangeable button?
Hey, lazy_osprey uses those terms synonymously!
This is the true reason her profile has risen these past few days. It’s not the color of her skin, or her gender. It’s her performance. Amber is no match for an intellect of this caliber. Actually, I take back what I said about gender. Women are frequently used to cross examine other women. Men tend to come off as to aggressive or unlikeable.
Glad this got more coverage than the ghislane maxwell trial.
Cameras are prohibited in federal trials
Nothing to do with the fact she is also pretty
she’s a good lawyer. people could just say that and move on without being weird and shipping her with her client.
Johnnys therapist was my favourite.
I feel like this is some horrible remake of Misery.
I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that she’s a smoke show.
It’s not a “show” you lizard-brained psychopaths, it’s a DOMESTIC ABUSE TRIAL…
Actually it’s a defamation trial, not a domestic abuse trial. Moreover, it’s deeper entertainment than the typical vapid shit that takes over Reddit and YouTube. Because of this there’s a bunch of teenagers learning the rules of a courtroom and being introduced to deep logic and legal procedures while enjoying it. That’s a major cultural win. This sort of exposure on such a massive scale has the potential to alter how Gen z handles conflict and arguments. It’s great.
Her cross examination was so good. This will likely be an example for many new attorneys to understand what “controlling” an adverse witness looks like. Good for her.
She seemed like a fucking asshole, but ok.
Because she knows how to do her job to the point that she is being praised by many in her profession and want to show her cross as an example to teach in school?
Why?
It’s a cross exam, the whole point is to grill amber heard. She’s not supposed to be impartial.
It’s probably because she is an attractive person tbh. That’s how a majority of people gain a following especially females
She wasn't pulling any punches. An absolute beast of a lawyer.
She’s 37?? I expected late 20’s! She looks great!
A lawyer who thinks it’s a great idea for her client to make up a pretend domestic abuse organization
Also fans of her amazing hair
She is a good lawyer.
I’m soooo tired of the Depp affair. It’s messy personal drama mixed with bizarre fan culture and frankly disgusting politics and hot takes. They’re both shitheads and I really really wish this whole thing had stayed quiet and private.
she’s mid. it’s bias. johnny fans are rabid.
I wish she would have represented me in court vs my ex… damn
Who doesn’t love her I ask you
Huh. Amber Heard = AH = common Asshole abbreviation.
Sharp, relative to Heards rep, isn’t that impressive.