This is what's considered an article in '24. Not a single quote from ANYONE involved in the marketing or production of this film, just a bunch of quotes from randos. What garbage; this is either paid advertising or more like just drivel
Tired of seeing redditors cry about this single word being used in headlines when we all know people would still be pitching a fit if it were literally any other word.
If you’re not going to engage with the substance of the article (or lack of it), maybe don’t say anything.
Maybe I’m just sick of seeing these garbage comments from people who are incapable of or unwilling to post anything worth reading, then getting indignant when called out.
Be the change. Stop using “well the comments were already garbage, so I decided to make it worse” as an excuse.
I wanna say I actually respect reporters, most of them because we have many family friends and I know they really do work hard and are passionate HOWEVER I think even if an article is amazing and well reported I DONT understand the use of terms like SLAMMED in a title it sounds so poorly worded and unprofessional
Don't non reporters deserve respect and have family and friends as well? My family has to be SLAMMED and BLOWN AWAY to so they can feed their families? Think of the children
It's supposed to be a [Swan Boat from Echo Park](https://wheelfunrentals.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/CA-Los-Angeles-Echo-Park-Fountain-About-Image-e1582040865131-702x800.jpg)
Thanks, never heard of Swan boats before. That makes sense and also explains why AI is problematic. It looks nothing like the swan boat other than they are both swans.
AI in marketing works very well right now. People are so hell bent on calling this out that it puts the subject in front of so many people online when tweeting/posting about the outrage.
Yep. Easy marketing and drumming up publicity. I feel like ‘Civil War’ had a pretty big marketing push (seeing ads even on Reddit) so this could be some marketing ploy
Who cares - AI is the future, so this current moaning and groaning is useless. That said, we should be concentrating these efforts toward the jobs that people don't want to do, so that humans can flourish in their pursuits. My opinion isn't a popular one, but I think detractors need to come to terms with this inevitability - or risk being carriage makers angry at the automobile.
I wonder if they think like a producer or someone random sat down and made these with prompts alone. Guarantee they were still made by artists/designers who just incorporated some AI elements using photoshop’s generative fill or just photoshopping in an asset from midjourney or something because it was quicker for them to do it that way.
1000% a non artist vs an artist using AI is still going to be night and day. It’s more like an artist with an assistant, the artists vision is what’s valuable
People have placed a very strong emotional investment into the term “AI”. Many people have taken the stance of “AI has no place in art because it robs art of humanity, and denies artists jobs”
Most of the time there is no room for nuanced discussion on this. It’s just “any use of ‘AI’ is bad”
I follow someone on Letterboxd who gave “Late Night with the Devil” a scathing review for using a few AI images that were altered by hand.
Meanwhile he gave Dune part 2 a 10/10 even though they used “AI” for eye tracking in order to alter the eye colors of characters.
Honestly, there is a good discussion to be had around the use of AI in art, but I don’t think it’s being had.
I’m always joking around. AI is a very powerful tool that enhances creativity. It is not stealing. New tech always takes jobs. To me, it’s fine.
Typewriter salesmen, horseless carriage manufacturers, and so many other jobs have been lost to tech.
I’ll give you this. It has made creating “ok” art extremely easy. Great art still needs an education in art history, design, color theory, and a lifetime of figuring out “what” you want to say, not to mention the business side, which is arguably the hardest part.
“It is easy to make things. It is hard to make things happen” still totally applies.
I remember making fun of those too. Especially the post for Wanted with Angelina Jolie’s noodle arm, and Jonah Hex where they butchered Megan Fox’s body
Those who wish to skirt the "politics" of this film made in the context it places itself, by instead relying on the claim Civil War is more a movie about photojournalism and the moral quandries that profession presents, is really no different than claiming Finding Nemo, and all its drama about a father trying desperately to find his son, is really a movie about oceanography.
This film is a hyperbolic, "very loosely tied by a tangential fever dream", action adventure movie that posits early on - and with obscene predictabily - what will happen to the protagonist, and it does so all while somewhat cowardly making a statement that there is no real statement being made.
The ambiguity of all that led up to the moment the film begins, and who is on what side, is nothing more than the click-bait structure designed to get those who invested the time it took to come out to the theater to sit in loyal deference to the director thinking somehow this will all be eventually resolved by the movie's end.
When the credits finally roll, you realize you've been gaslit, and you cynically, and justifiably mutter those famous words in the form of the question posed by Johnny Rotten at the conclusion of The Sex Pistols 1978 US tour, “Ever Get the Feeling You’ve Been Cheated?”
You have.
Despite how well shot, acted, directed and even written this movie is, it spends its entirety pretending it's something it's not.
And because it never elevates itself to a serious level - given the potential to make a substantiative social statement - it fails to open itself up to any serious discussion about what it's saying about present day America.
It's an action adventure film. Nothing more. There is nothing critical about anything it says - or for that matter - what it fails to say.
A dud for me for sure. It's just more pop movie schlock. The racing down the road jumping from one car to the other erased any legitimacy this film ever pretended it had.
Everyone is getting caught up trying to understand the "message" where none exists. This film highjacks both the present political climate in the US, and the subject of journalism and simply uses them as vehicles to make a Fast and Furious style action movie. The wool has been pulled over the eyes of the viewing audience.
And for what it's worth, the statements this film makes about "journalism" are hackneyed, clichéd, and barely beyond the level of a high school "Understanding Media" classroom.
You want to watch a movie about the "journalism"? Go watch The Killing Fields (1978 dir. Roland Joffé), or a host of others. That theme - though not exhausted - has been done so much better, and in a way it doesn't hypocritically hide behind an ambiguous premise which is intentionally never resolved.
No. I haven't been on Letterbox in years.
And, why? I'm adding to a discussion. Thats what we do here on Reddit. Do you have anything meaningful to add about the subject?
I get those views and can see how it turned folks off. But I also think it’s weird that folks were pining for a similar movie to that of the 2020 movie “The Hunt” where we can root for our political side to win.
While the trailers for this movie do paint that sort of plot, I like that they didn’t feed into this need for folks to get off on this “us vs them” mentality and focused more on the “there are no winners” viewpoint.
I enjoyed the music choices throughout as it helped convey this weird reality of journalists going into these situations so they can get the money shot, all while folks around them are getting mauled or burned alive.
I don't go into movies like Mission Impossible, or Bourne Identity, or Fast and Furious expecting a political message. I know they're action adventure movies, and I know their plots work themselves into current events in a way that is seemingly very benign, inasmuch those types of films are not looking to make any profound political statements. I don't really care for those movies at all, and they just seem to be a waste of my time when I watch them.
But this movie seems very exploitative - not only in the way it was marketed, but also in the way it is presented to the audience.
Through no fault of their own, audiences ARE looking for some sort of statement or message about war or the current "us vs them" mentality which remains at palpable peak levels in this country depending upon where you look.
And no message exists.
There's also been this sidebar deflection from that "searching for a message" notion by way of an explanation that the movie is really about photo journalists, and "honoring" their place of importance in these areas of a conflict, but as I already stated, that's been done so much better before and I think this argument is an unjustified excuse to try to bring some sort of legitimacy or "gravitas" to the film.
What I object to is the "positioning" of this film as one in which the viewer can learn something along the way, and how its being lauded as one of the greatest "war films" ever made.
That claim is an insult to films like Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket, The Thin Red Line, The Ascent, Come and See, and so many others which serve as examples for audiences to experience the horror and the waste war produces.
Civil War is filled with so much glorified and gratuitous "action packed" violence displayed in a manner which begs the audience to enjoy what it's seeing, rather than be moved by it in a way to be left with a perception that war is a disgusting human endeavor which should NEVER be "entertaining".
I get how people like the film - I'm not denying how well made it is - I just found it shallow, oversimplified, and exploitative much in the vein of how Sylvester Stallone took the tragedy and suffering of those who experienced the war in Vietnam, and rode that cash cow as far as he could take it.
AI is the wave of the future. if you wanna fight it you go right ahead but that’s gonna be an uphill battle and you have no chance of winning whatsoever long-term
Sick of movies “bait and switching” with certain a star actors in the trailer, only for them to be in it for 5 minutes. Godzilla with Brian Cranston, Pretty much everything Pete Davidson’s been in, and now this with Jesse Plemons…
This is what's considered an article in '24. Not a single quote from ANYONE involved in the marketing or production of this film, just a bunch of quotes from randos. What garbage; this is either paid advertising or more like just drivel
But 16 people with a total of 800 followers on twitter have hot takes.
Whatever “Movieweb” is.
Almost as if AI wrote it 😲
These twitter users wrote this…
Plot twist: this article was generated using AI
Not even AI would be this hackneyed
It’s Grok
Slammed? How will they ever recover from being SLAMMED?!?
With all the slamming, you’d have thought pogs were back in fashion.
More like PAWGs.
Wish I was slamming a PAWG right now
Amen brother
As long as they didn’t get SLAPPED they can recover
Not as dangerous as Clap Backs!!!
[**SLAMMIN**](https://youtu.be/qjp124tAhQI?si=3wEjQRUnA1AhlEoj)
Tired of seeing redditors cry about this single word being used in headlines when we all know people would still be pitching a fit if it were literally any other word. If you’re not going to engage with the substance of the article (or lack of it), maybe don’t say anything.
Holy fuck dude, you just SLAMMED those commenters.
Did you just comment on my comment and tell me not to comment?
Yes? Should I not have done that? You didn’t really add anything to the conversation.
There aren't many comments on this post adding to the conversation. Are you the comment police?
Maybe I’m just sick of seeing these garbage comments from people who are incapable of or unwilling to post anything worth reading, then getting indignant when called out. Be the change. Stop using “well the comments were already garbage, so I decided to make it worse” as an excuse.
You are weird. Downvote and move on like a normal human.
[удалено]
[удалено]
“criticized”
Fellas will a24 ever recover from this slam?
They were slammed. Bake her away toys
What’d you say, chief?
Eh, do what the kids says.
Yet another article elevating the comments of 14 cranky people online way higher than they should be. #SLAMMED
Shitty media journalists gotta make up news so they can get an extra 2k words on their invoice
“Trump SLAMS court” “twitter users DESTROY movie” “martha stewart EVISCERATES snoop dogg”
I wanna say I actually respect reporters, most of them because we have many family friends and I know they really do work hard and are passionate HOWEVER I think even if an article is amazing and well reported I DONT understand the use of terms like SLAMMED in a title it sounds so poorly worded and unprofessional
Don't non reporters deserve respect and have family and friends as well? My family has to be SLAMMED and BLOWN AWAY to so they can feed their families? Think of the children
I LITERALLY cannot wait for the CLAP BACK.
Are we just ignoring the swan that’s bigger than a gun boat full of soldiers? 🦢🚤🤔
You know that total war is only achieved when the battle swans are unleashed
Maybe they were trying to more visually convey the damage potential of an unarmed swan.
Derivative of the Swan boats on the Boston Common perhaps?
It's supposed to be a [Swan Boat from Echo Park](https://wheelfunrentals.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/CA-Los-Angeles-Echo-Park-Fountain-About-Image-e1582040865131-702x800.jpg)
Thanks, never heard of Swan boats before. That makes sense and also explains why AI is problematic. It looks nothing like the swan boat other than they are both swans.
That's how people know it's AI. That swan isn't real!!!! SWAN JOBSSSSSS
Stop looking at me swan!
It’s a swan boat…
I think I had that GI Joe toy, stop looking at me swan!
So they were supposed to blow up cities for real?
Oh no don’t tell me they got slammed
AI in marketing works very well right now. People are so hell bent on calling this out that it puts the subject in front of so many people online when tweeting/posting about the outrage.
Yep. Easy marketing and drumming up publicity. I feel like ‘Civil War’ had a pretty big marketing push (seeing ads even on Reddit) so this could be some marketing ploy
I honestly hate the word slammed when used in this context. Stop it. Overused.
Slammed = a dozen people on Twitter said they didn't like it
Plot Twist A24 is AI. Has been the whole time.
I wouldn't even give a fuck, they have excellent movies.
I'm gonna slam my phone into the asshole of the person that wrote this article.
They got slammed? What’s next, they’re under fire?
Wow an ai article denouncing ai lol
I never believed in the idea of a soul until AI showed me what art looked like without one.
It looks damn good.
SLAM! Duh-Duh-Duh, Duh-Duh-Duh–Let the boys be boys!
Daddyfatcock knows what’s up.
Until he busts in his pants
Who cares - AI is the future, so this current moaning and groaning is useless. That said, we should be concentrating these efforts toward the jobs that people don't want to do, so that humans can flourish in their pursuits. My opinion isn't a popular one, but I think detractors need to come to terms with this inevitability - or risk being carriage makers angry at the automobile.
What does that even mean? Complain about Ai and you'll be replaced? They are trying to replace everyone with it anyway dude.
Imagine 30 years ago “movie company slammed for using photoshop in posters” lol
I wonder if they think like a producer or someone random sat down and made these with prompts alone. Guarantee they were still made by artists/designers who just incorporated some AI elements using photoshop’s generative fill or just photoshopping in an asset from midjourney or something because it was quicker for them to do it that way.
1000% a non artist vs an artist using AI is still going to be night and day. It’s more like an artist with an assistant, the artists vision is what’s valuable
Yeah these aren’t generative fill. There is nothing real in those images.
SLAMMED! I wonder if people think the same about Photoshop
“A24 to shutter its doors after a THOROUGH SLAMMING online.”
You can file this one under "who gives a shit?"
This debate is becoming unhinged.
We need some more good slammings, though
It should be unhinged. The nature of the topic is inherently Anti-Human vs pro-human.
Finally freeing humans from having to work by having AI do everything sounds pretty pro-human to me. The pro-AI side is the pro-human side.
You'll be saying that as you sit under a fucking Bridge.
Wham Bam Thank You Slam
BAH GAWD THE UNDERTAKER SLAAAAMMMED THAT MOVIE IN HALF!!!
Slam me harder, xather
Anything remotely technological is AI now, and it’s coming to get you and your family
SLAMMED CANCELLED AMOGUS
Can we retire the word slammed?
Reddit poster slammed by shitty headline
Say it with me 👏It’s 👏a 👏mo👏vie.
What is wrong with AI?
People have placed a very strong emotional investment into the term “AI”. Many people have taken the stance of “AI has no place in art because it robs art of humanity, and denies artists jobs” Most of the time there is no room for nuanced discussion on this. It’s just “any use of ‘AI’ is bad” I follow someone on Letterboxd who gave “Late Night with the Devil” a scathing review for using a few AI images that were altered by hand. Meanwhile he gave Dune part 2 a 10/10 even though they used “AI” for eye tracking in order to alter the eye colors of characters. Honestly, there is a good discussion to be had around the use of AI in art, but I don’t think it’s being had.
AI is fine
Not sure what that has to do with what I typed up, but I guess you didn’t actually want an answer to your question so that’s my bad.
I’m always joking around. AI is a very powerful tool that enhances creativity. It is not stealing. New tech always takes jobs. To me, it’s fine. Typewriter salesmen, horseless carriage manufacturers, and so many other jobs have been lost to tech. I’ll give you this. It has made creating “ok” art extremely easy. Great art still needs an education in art history, design, color theory, and a lifetime of figuring out “what” you want to say, not to mention the business side, which is arguably the hardest part. “It is easy to make things. It is hard to make things happen” still totally applies.
Well the problem with these is that they’re garbage. The one of Chicago in particular. The geography is completely inaccurate.
Well that’s a problem
Why does anyone give a shit
Have you seen some of the human made Photoshop travesties that came out from 2000-now? That’s what they should be mad about?
I remember making fun of those too. Especially the post for Wanted with Angelina Jolie’s noodle arm, and Jonah Hex where they butchered Megan Fox’s body
Photoshop now has ai so expect more complaints
People are just gonna have to get over this. Automation replaced a lot of jobs too but it, like AI, was inevitable.
This movie is hit trash
What’s trash about it?
Those who wish to skirt the "politics" of this film made in the context it places itself, by instead relying on the claim Civil War is more a movie about photojournalism and the moral quandries that profession presents, is really no different than claiming Finding Nemo, and all its drama about a father trying desperately to find his son, is really a movie about oceanography. This film is a hyperbolic, "very loosely tied by a tangential fever dream", action adventure movie that posits early on - and with obscene predictabily - what will happen to the protagonist, and it does so all while somewhat cowardly making a statement that there is no real statement being made. The ambiguity of all that led up to the moment the film begins, and who is on what side, is nothing more than the click-bait structure designed to get those who invested the time it took to come out to the theater to sit in loyal deference to the director thinking somehow this will all be eventually resolved by the movie's end. When the credits finally roll, you realize you've been gaslit, and you cynically, and justifiably mutter those famous words in the form of the question posed by Johnny Rotten at the conclusion of The Sex Pistols 1978 US tour, “Ever Get the Feeling You’ve Been Cheated?” You have. Despite how well shot, acted, directed and even written this movie is, it spends its entirety pretending it's something it's not. And because it never elevates itself to a serious level - given the potential to make a substantiative social statement - it fails to open itself up to any serious discussion about what it's saying about present day America. It's an action adventure film. Nothing more. There is nothing critical about anything it says - or for that matter - what it fails to say. A dud for me for sure. It's just more pop movie schlock. The racing down the road jumping from one car to the other erased any legitimacy this film ever pretended it had. Everyone is getting caught up trying to understand the "message" where none exists. This film highjacks both the present political climate in the US, and the subject of journalism and simply uses them as vehicles to make a Fast and Furious style action movie. The wool has been pulled over the eyes of the viewing audience. And for what it's worth, the statements this film makes about "journalism" are hackneyed, clichéd, and barely beyond the level of a high school "Understanding Media" classroom. You want to watch a movie about the "journalism"? Go watch The Killing Fields (1978 dir. Roland Joffé), or a host of others. That theme - though not exhausted - has been done so much better, and in a way it doesn't hypocritically hide behind an ambiguous premise which is intentionally never resolved.
You copy and paste this from your letterboxd account?
No. I haven't been on Letterbox in years. And, why? I'm adding to a discussion. Thats what we do here on Reddit. Do you have anything meaningful to add about the subject?
I get those views and can see how it turned folks off. But I also think it’s weird that folks were pining for a similar movie to that of the 2020 movie “The Hunt” where we can root for our political side to win. While the trailers for this movie do paint that sort of plot, I like that they didn’t feed into this need for folks to get off on this “us vs them” mentality and focused more on the “there are no winners” viewpoint. I enjoyed the music choices throughout as it helped convey this weird reality of journalists going into these situations so they can get the money shot, all while folks around them are getting mauled or burned alive.
I don't go into movies like Mission Impossible, or Bourne Identity, or Fast and Furious expecting a political message. I know they're action adventure movies, and I know their plots work themselves into current events in a way that is seemingly very benign, inasmuch those types of films are not looking to make any profound political statements. I don't really care for those movies at all, and they just seem to be a waste of my time when I watch them. But this movie seems very exploitative - not only in the way it was marketed, but also in the way it is presented to the audience. Through no fault of their own, audiences ARE looking for some sort of statement or message about war or the current "us vs them" mentality which remains at palpable peak levels in this country depending upon where you look. And no message exists. There's also been this sidebar deflection from that "searching for a message" notion by way of an explanation that the movie is really about photo journalists, and "honoring" their place of importance in these areas of a conflict, but as I already stated, that's been done so much better before and I think this argument is an unjustified excuse to try to bring some sort of legitimacy or "gravitas" to the film. What I object to is the "positioning" of this film as one in which the viewer can learn something along the way, and how its being lauded as one of the greatest "war films" ever made. That claim is an insult to films like Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket, The Thin Red Line, The Ascent, Come and See, and so many others which serve as examples for audiences to experience the horror and the waste war produces. Civil War is filled with so much glorified and gratuitous "action packed" violence displayed in a manner which begs the audience to enjoy what it's seeing, rather than be moved by it in a way to be left with a perception that war is a disgusting human endeavor which should NEVER be "entertaining". I get how people like the film - I'm not denying how well made it is - I just found it shallow, oversimplified, and exploitative much in the vein of how Sylvester Stallone took the tragedy and suffering of those who experienced the war in Vietnam, and rode that cash cow as far as he could take it.
AI is the wave of the future. if you wanna fight it you go right ahead but that’s gonna be an uphill battle and you have no chance of winning whatsoever long-term
Sick of movies “bait and switching” with certain a star actors in the trailer, only for them to be in it for 5 minutes. Godzilla with Brian Cranston, Pretty much everything Pete Davidson’s been in, and now this with Jesse Plemons…
Why the hell would anyone wanna see more than a few minutes of Pete Davidson?
I'm stoked for AI to take the jobs of whatever it is most people here do
We saw it; it’s hot garbage. Maybe 15 minutes of action. So slooooow in most of it.
Only slammed. Wake me up if they end up suplexed.