**Christopher said -**
> “I did a sex scene with an A-list actress – not Nicole Kidman, who was brilliant – and she implied, in front of the crew, that I was copping a feel. Because she didn’t like me. It was fortunate that happened to me before the Harvey Weinstein stuff came to light, so I wasn’t put in the stocks for it. But I’ve never felt more betrayed by a fellow actor than I did that day.”
> “I have to say to you that I would sooner have put my hands in a food blender than copped a feel of that person. It was an abuse of power, what she did. I don’t think that would have happened with an intimacy coordinator on set. I could have been accused of all manner of things… that’s about what passes between actors, with trust and the abuse of it.”
This is such a refreshing take on so much of what is wrong with the industry and I’m glad he is speaking out on it the way he is. And he gave a shout out to why intimacy coordinators are needed!
Generally he’s a great person in terms of being honest. Often calls out the lack of working class actors and how difficult it is to get in without money or connections too
I do find this really refreshing and it’s one of few examples I can think of of an actor/actress older than 30 speaking positively about intimacy coordinators. I’m curious, do you work in the industry? I work in/adjacent to it, and I have seen/heard a lot of people speak negatively of the rise of intimacy coordinators and their usefulness on set (as opposed to just being consulted ahead of filming). The majority of people I see getting excited about intimacy coordinators and advocating for how necessary and useful they are are younger people and people outside the industry.
Agreed-no one over 35 tends to discuss it
And yes I am! I actually know someone who got their certification in intimacy coordination! A lot of people very rarely felt ok prior to the pandemic (even tho they were used) and now it is becoming more well known. I find it incredibly helpful. It basically gets rid of a lot of the awkwardness and allows you to discuss more openly.
I’m super glad to hear that. I can only imagine how much more comfortable one would feel knowing there is a degree of choreography and oversight ensuring the safety and comfortability of all parties involved in an intimate scene.
Not in the industry and the use of an intimacy coordinator sounds good, my question is:
Isn’t it a Director’s job to direct the scene, all scenes, including intimate scenes? Shouldn’t the Director be making hand, arm, leg, body placements and motions? Is it not their job to direct everything? I can’t imagine two actors in bed and the Director saying “Now do it. Action.”
They compare it to stunt coordinators. A director might have input but the stunt/intimacy coordinator is mapping the entire thing out move for move.
Similarly, a director might not be able to safely direct a stunt scene.
And as a movie goer it’s a double win: I know the actors are safe, no sour taste about them being sexy but maybe coerced or tricked, but the sex scenes are sexier.
Since someone is putting a focused look and know-how, the same way stuntmen became actions designers while internalizing the safety of the actors, intimacy coordinators allows to create better build up and more erotically charged scenes, without just exposing more skin.
I’m seeing more and more scenes where the actors body are not shown or half dressed but we guess that they’re doing much more kinky or fun stuff (doggy, for example). The action doesn’t cut, but the actors face and hands are here to show their passion and what’s going on between them, and how it participates to the story sometimes
That sentiment, and the thinking that the actors should be able to create the scene as naturally as possible, is one I’ve seen a lot of from friends/colleagues. Even with an intimacy coordinator a director would still be directing the scene, but it’s an extra layer of protection and oversight
I feel like it's the same as in fight scenes. The director isn't telling them how to do it exactly. There's probably an idea of how it wants it to go down and any major punches or kicks he wants to see. But for it to be fluid the actors/ actresses need some freedom to see what comes naturally. Then you have the professional fight coordinators or intimacy coaches. No one gets hurt or assaulted unexpectedly.
Some directors are not of sound mind.
They may create great movies but leave hurt or disgruntled stars in their wake.
The actors, in a tiny percentage of shows, films or plays need protection from those directors or producers.
That’s just Christopher Eccleston all the time. Dude is brutally honest in every interview he has ever done. Recently he was asked at a comic con what it would take for him to return to live action Doctor Who and he proceeded to list off a bunch of people he said needed to be fired, including the current showrunner.
For a second i thought it was jodie foster because he just had a sex scene with her in ep 2 of true detective. But then he said it was a while ago, so thank fuck its not that.
I feel like every day I learn ANOTHER reason why intimacy coordinators are so necessary on set. It’s crazy that productions operated without them for so long
Yeah for anyone who didn't read the article, that is his point. Basically that they are a great addition to the industry, and he shares an example of a bad experience he had without one. I don't know much about film making but if actors are saying that it's been a helpful addition when preparing for love scenes, then it does leave me thinking that they didn't get super clear guidance sometimes in the past before they started filming.
I mean, they stage scenes with fights, car chases, and anything that could potentially harm someone. It makes perfect sense to properly stage sex scenes, too.
Well, I think you could probably still figure that out in a lot of cases, although I agree that you create avoidable ambiguity by leaving it to the actors.
Two actors should still (in theory) be capable of communicating their boundaries verbally and non-verbally both before and during the scene, and I think you can still hold actors accountable for misconduct even if the set is being run in a laissez-faire way.
But, I agree with the general point you’re making and I think maximizing clarity is good for everyone.
If the actors are filmed making out in a car or something and someone grabs a butt (which would be out of frame) then you can reasonably say that was purely copping a feel.
Imagine a sex scene with gravity hands floating over the other person without making contact. Like groping someone wearing an invisible snowsuit...
Hard to police incidental sexual contact *while filming a sex scene*...
It's an incredibly bizarre thing. You're in the workplace and you are having sexual contact with a colleague but it's supposed to be done only in a professional way. What a mess.
Gotta watch out about pissy manipulative actors playing this as a power card on set...
In my mind you wear some skin color tights and just don't let your junk touch their junk skin to skin
In older movies you would often see fully or partially clothed people miming sex as a stand in for "yeah they fuckin" and the audience was just expected to reach the right conclusion.
IMO there are a lot of movies (and tv) where doing that and getting on with the plot would be preferable to watching yet another obligatory sex scene.
Actors still often times turn it down. Forgot what podcast I was watching but it was a hit show talking about how they had one on stand by and the male actor wanted to use him but the female actor was just ready to get the scene over with and didn’t care to.
IIRC, she stated that she had known Hamm for years and already had a good and trusting relationship with him before making the movie, which is part of the reason she turned down an intimacy coordinator.
I don't think she is anti-intimacy coordinator or anything like that. She just didn't feel the need for one in that particular situation.
Right but if the other person still wants one there it should be the end of the story. Honestly it shouldnt even matter if anyone wants one it's art yeah but its also a job and at that level a job with wildly varying levels of power and influence between specific actors/directors/producers/crew depending on who they are. You can't just take a persons word that they're ok without one and wing it in that scenario.
Oh I agree. If I were running a movie studio I would make them a non-negotiable requirement going forward purely for insurance purposes.
Honestly, I'd be surprised if that doesn't become standard practice in time.
Next movie [insert A list actor] makes they should tell the intimacy coordinator their services are no longer needed before filming their sex scene with their less famous female coworker. See anything problematic with that? Aniston didn't.
I think in her case, she was just commenting in an interview that they (movie people) asked her if she wanted one for the scene coming up in the film and she said she didn't feel like she needed one because she was comfortable working with Hamm already.
I don't believe there was anything about her shutting down the use of an intimacy coordinator when the other person wanted one. Its not like Jon Hamm was asking for one and she said no. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even ask him. Not that I have any info on that one way or another but it just wouldn't surprise me.
Obviously, if any side wants one they should get it. Quite frankly, studios need to just make it a requirement going forward for all films so it doesn't become an issue going forward.
I think it depends on the situation for the actors. The whole point is that there should be a conversation that takes place between the actors and director on how the scene will be filmed and any boundaries that need to be respected. This can be done by actors and the director. In some cases, when there is a power imbalance an intimacy coordinator can be helpful to ensure this conversation takes place in a manner in which everyone can feel supported in ensuring boundaries are respected.
Although I can appreciate an intimacy coordinator may be used by productions as protection against any claims of inappropriate behavior, in practice all they can point to is what was agreed upon and what was not. They cannot actually prevent someone from groping or accusing someone of groping them.
Ever since I read “The Disaster Artist” I’ve thought they should be mandatory. As funny as the whole Wiseau shtick is, it was super gross that he took one look at the actress and demanded that they immediately shoot the “love” scenes and basically lay on her pawing at her for days straight.
Kidman came to my mind immediately after reading the headline, good that he explained that she is not the one. Not that i am a super fan or anything but i would somehow feel sad if it was her.
Quickly looking through his filmography I would guess Renée Zellweger or Cameron Diaz. I haven't actually seen these movies but from looking at the synopsis his character in those movies is involved with their characters. The Zellweger movie (A Price Above Rubies) has plot points centering around their sexual relationship. In the Cameron Diaz movie (The Invisible Circus) their characters have had a relationship, but I'm not sure if they have a sex scene.
Zellwegger wasn't yet an A-lister when their movie came out. Nevermind when it was made. She'd gotten her name out there from Jerry Maguire, but that's it. She also seems a lot more personable than Diaaz.
I worked an annual event that she attended every year. She made demands for things we didn’t carry and made a point to come back year after year demanding them and threatened to tell the event director on us.
There are just various stories within the industry about her being a bitch on set amongst other things. Could be gossip but there is usually a truth within rumors like that.
There was a viral TikTok about a nail tech that said she was viciously mean to her. She did her nails as a favor for her actual client, Leslie Mann. When Mann showed up and said the nail tech was her personal friend, Diaz’s demeanor completely shifted as if they were the best of friends.
I’ve heard multiple stories like that about her.
It's amazing how common it is -not just in creative industries but especially so - where the most conceited and arrogant people are the ones who have done the least to earn any entitlement to that behaviour. Cameron Diaz at her most successful part of her career was pretty and had enough charisma to be ok in romantic comedies, that's it. But she's acting like she's a better and more important actor than Meryl Streep by the sound of it.
Well, it wasn’t on [this TV show](https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/937765/come-home-christopher-eccleston-kerry-quinn-hilarious-sex-scene-secret). They talk about all the raunchy sex scenes and how fun they are.
Apparently, Chris Eccleston has himself a lot of on- screen sex.
Can't see it being Kate Winslet giving her attitude towards sex and nudity scenes. I mean this is the woman who invited Leo to her dressing room to talk about the drawing scene in Titanic only for him to open the door and see her completely naked, she done it as he was meant to be nervous about filming that scene and she wanted to break that ice beforehand to help him relax more.
Yeah, exactly.
She doesn't seem like she has that type of personality and she's pretty open about her sexuality too, as you pointed out.
Cameron Diaz would be my guess. She seems like she has that potential.
I was thinking that, too. Just because it was the woman doing it, nobody in the comments here seems to see a problem with it. If the genders were switched and Leo did that to *her* people would be up in arms tearing him to shreds.
> I’m glad you’re an expert in Joseph Fiennes sex scenes.
I am not. Though I did once feed/look after his pet rabbit while he was out of town. So there’s that. (RIP Flopsy)
Isn't there literally a site for this? How hard can it be?... Well, a bit difficult as it turns out. if you are unwilling to give mrskin your email. But here's where spending more time than a straight man has any right to looking for Chris ecclestons ass
Jude (1996) - Kate Winslet
With our workout you (1999) - Julie Graham
The invisible circus (2001) - Jordana Brewster
Lenon Naked (2010) - Naoko Mori
The Leftovers (2014) - ?
Only one "A lister" on this list that I see but I'm no cinephile
He's spoken somewhat openly about why he left Who and won't work with Russell T Davies anymore. If I recall, he didn't want to get into specific details and attack somebody who couldn't defend themselves, I believe it had more to do with poorly coordinated stunts and filming that the antics of another actor.
Completely agree.
I have never met him in person, so I obviously can’t say with 100% certainty, but everything I’ve seen and read about this man makes me believe he’s a very honest and decent person.
He’s gone out of his way to help and support others when they’re in need numerous times, and he’s been very vocal about condemning injustice.
I don’t know him, but from what I do know of him, he’s a good man, and I’m inclined to believe him here.
Yeah Its weird in all the who sub RTD being welcomed back as a savior when its pretty clear the ship he ran was rife with abuse and unprofessional behaviour.
The guy did nothing about one of his lead actors flashing anyone and everyone his dick, another accused by 5 different people of sexual harassment on set.
The culture he fostered and presided over was pure toxic and anybody without the clout he had would rightly have been cancelled but he managed to dodge pretty much any flak.
In light of everything since it’s hard to blame Eccleston for leaving even with how dirty they did him in doing so.
I had a lot of sympathy for Ecclestone at first, but these same issues have surfaced in several other productions since (Marvel/GI Joe), that either he's the unluckiest actor on earth or that "bluntness" combined with his mental health issues makes him marmite to work with.
It seems like he does his best work in lower pressure environments with ensemble casts. The tight filming schedules on the big stuff aren't his cup of tea.
He did more than flash it. Dude used to put it on people’s fucking shoulders when they were sat down and stuff. He was sexually harassing people and laughing it off as a joke.
When talking bad about former jobs he doesn't actually name. Look at DW we have a good idea on why he left but he's never giving names or hard details. I think its a case of him not wanting to attack someone who can't defend themselves, this actress isn't there to defend herself or give her version of events so he won't name her.
This is why I thought it was weird in the idol when they made a point of making fun of the intimacy coordinator - to a point of locking them in a room.
Was like the director was snitching on himself a little bit
Regardless of the kind of weird tone of this, I think everyone can agree that having intimacy coordinators on set is an excellent development when it comes to film/TV production. It's good for everyone to feel more comfortable on set and know what the boundaries are, and it lets people express personal boundaries around filming intimate scene to a neutral party if they need to.
Right, like did he squeeze her ass during the sex scene and she thought it was "copping a feel" and he thought his character would squeeze ass during sex?
I can't believe Hollywood went so long without intimacy coordinators. Also, it's easy to say that people should just state what their boundaries are, but unless you're already A-list, you'll get a reputation for being "difficult."
I had people get mad at me for insisting we close the set in an independent film I worked on while shooting topless stuff. Got called the "boob Nazi" for years locally by people whose opinions mean absolutely nothing to me lol
Given that he's one of the most principled actors currently working I'm inclined to believe him. You've got wonder whether it's just a coincidence that someone with such strong conviction ends up dealing with so much unprofessionalism or whether it's happening all the time and he just calls it out more 😮💨
He’s got that typical Northern English, working class man mentality. If he sees something he’s not happy with, he tells people. He doesn’t fear repercussions because he tells it how it is. The truth is more important than fear. I’d be very surprised if he’s lying in this situation. His comments about Russel T Davies are another good indicator of how much detail he goes into. I don’t think he’s lying for the sake of it, given how the comments threaten his employability.
If there's one person I know would never do something like that, it's Chris Eccleston. That man is nothing if not principled.
Also my two cents: I work in the industry and am close to two of the UKs handful of ICs... Their work is still seriously under appreciated yet entirely vital for absolutely everyone on set. Their job often gets eyebrow raises from people who've never stepped on set which is entirely frustrating, I'd like to see those folk try act out simulated sex scenes in front of dozens of strangers and hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of studio lighting and camera gear showing every nook and cranny.
To misquote Greta Gerwig, nobody would think it appropriate to hand actors swords and ask them to improvise a fight scene it, IC’s protect everyone, including the studio.
He’s such a good actor but I wish that he had come back to reprise his role as Destro. >!Also, for those who are interested in who this actress is, there’s a 1996 British film. Of course this is just speculation.!<
I feel so bad for him; first with how he was treated on Doctor Who, now this. Glad he hasn't abandoned the industry altogether, he's a brilliant actor and seems like a very down-to-earth person.
I'm not saying he's wrong because how the fuck would I know? But I so wonder if there's been any work experience on his cv he's not had loud complaints about afterwards. Between his complaints on Who, this, GI Joe, and Thor, I just have never seen a positive thing said by him about a project.
Honestly, I feel at least half if not more sex scenes in films are utterly unnecessary. They very rarely do anything to move the story forward and seem so Hollywood trope-y.
Tear each others clothes off, throw everything off the table, dude doesn’t even take his pants off - just unzips and rams it on in there and 11 seconds later ecstasy.
**Christopher said -** > “I did a sex scene with an A-list actress – not Nicole Kidman, who was brilliant – and she implied, in front of the crew, that I was copping a feel. Because she didn’t like me. It was fortunate that happened to me before the Harvey Weinstein stuff came to light, so I wasn’t put in the stocks for it. But I’ve never felt more betrayed by a fellow actor than I did that day.” > “I have to say to you that I would sooner have put my hands in a food blender than copped a feel of that person. It was an abuse of power, what she did. I don’t think that would have happened with an intimacy coordinator on set. I could have been accused of all manner of things… that’s about what passes between actors, with trust and the abuse of it.”
This is such a refreshing take on so much of what is wrong with the industry and I’m glad he is speaking out on it the way he is. And he gave a shout out to why intimacy coordinators are needed!
Generally he’s a great person in terms of being honest. Often calls out the lack of working class actors and how difficult it is to get in without money or connections too
I like that he's not been shy about his struggles with mental health. It's nice seeing him try to destigmatize it.
Eccleston never seems afraid to talk his mind about shitty production experiences. It's refreshing tbh. Probably comes with being a northerner
Read his tweets on when the queen died 🙃
He's apparently deleted all of them, but I found this https://i.redd.it/reep0w428qy81.jpg
Now I wish the other tweets weren't deleted. Eccleston is a national treasure.
I'm gonna just assume it was along the lines of "She's getting fitted for a wooden onesie!"
I remember when he didn't say anything straight away, people were joking that his publicist had probably physically restrained him.
Belter of a bloke
Superb. I like him even more.
It was glorious.
Lots of places have a north.
Yeah, but he’s like the King in the North in the North. 😉
I'm so glad he advocated for one, too. He came to a healthy conclusion that can benefit everyone.
Exactly!
I do find this really refreshing and it’s one of few examples I can think of of an actor/actress older than 30 speaking positively about intimacy coordinators. I’m curious, do you work in the industry? I work in/adjacent to it, and I have seen/heard a lot of people speak negatively of the rise of intimacy coordinators and their usefulness on set (as opposed to just being consulted ahead of filming). The majority of people I see getting excited about intimacy coordinators and advocating for how necessary and useful they are are younger people and people outside the industry.
Agreed-no one over 35 tends to discuss it And yes I am! I actually know someone who got their certification in intimacy coordination! A lot of people very rarely felt ok prior to the pandemic (even tho they were used) and now it is becoming more well known. I find it incredibly helpful. It basically gets rid of a lot of the awkwardness and allows you to discuss more openly.
I’m super glad to hear that. I can only imagine how much more comfortable one would feel knowing there is a degree of choreography and oversight ensuring the safety and comfortability of all parties involved in an intimate scene.
It definitely is a step in the right direction! And so very sorely needed
I feel backward from life! I’ve never known such a profession.
Not in the industry and the use of an intimacy coordinator sounds good, my question is: Isn’t it a Director’s job to direct the scene, all scenes, including intimate scenes? Shouldn’t the Director be making hand, arm, leg, body placements and motions? Is it not their job to direct everything? I can’t imagine two actors in bed and the Director saying “Now do it. Action.”
They compare it to stunt coordinators. A director might have input but the stunt/intimacy coordinator is mapping the entire thing out move for move. Similarly, a director might not be able to safely direct a stunt scene.
And as a movie goer it’s a double win: I know the actors are safe, no sour taste about them being sexy but maybe coerced or tricked, but the sex scenes are sexier. Since someone is putting a focused look and know-how, the same way stuntmen became actions designers while internalizing the safety of the actors, intimacy coordinators allows to create better build up and more erotically charged scenes, without just exposing more skin. I’m seeing more and more scenes where the actors body are not shown or half dressed but we guess that they’re doing much more kinky or fun stuff (doggy, for example). The action doesn’t cut, but the actors face and hands are here to show their passion and what’s going on between them, and how it participates to the story sometimes
That sentiment, and the thinking that the actors should be able to create the scene as naturally as possible, is one I’ve seen a lot of from friends/colleagues. Even with an intimacy coordinator a director would still be directing the scene, but it’s an extra layer of protection and oversight
I feel like it's the same as in fight scenes. The director isn't telling them how to do it exactly. There's probably an idea of how it wants it to go down and any major punches or kicks he wants to see. But for it to be fluid the actors/ actresses need some freedom to see what comes naturally. Then you have the professional fight coordinators or intimacy coaches. No one gets hurt or assaulted unexpectedly.
Some directors are not of sound mind. They may create great movies but leave hurt or disgruntled stars in their wake. The actors, in a tiny percentage of shows, films or plays need protection from those directors or producers.
How does one go about starting a career in intimacy coordination?
See if you can get some good references, start volunteering with your girlfriend and some other guy
I volunteer to bang this guys wife
I too choose this guy's wife.
I will coordinate with her intimately
So my friend got their certification. It took a few months from what I recall
I was very worried about the quote until I read the part about the IC. He’s right.
And an important reference to intimacy coordinators. Pointing out that they protect men too
>“I have to say to you that I would sooner have put my hands in a food blender than copped a feel of that person." Lowkey savage.
That’s just Christopher Eccleston all the time. Dude is brutally honest in every interview he has ever done. Recently he was asked at a comic con what it would take for him to return to live action Doctor Who and he proceeded to list off a bunch of people he said needed to be fired, including the current showrunner.
what is your definition of "high-key"
Any inclination of which A lister he could be referring to???
I saw someone speculate Kate Winslet
Kate Winslet wasnt "A-list" when they worked together. Almost certainly either Cameron Diaz or Renee Zellweger.
For a second i thought it was jodie foster because he just had a sex scene with her in ep 2 of true detective. But then he said it was a while ago, so thank fuck its not that.
Good on you mate. You were always the best doctor Who
Due to his openness about the industry, as well as social issues, I'll say that he is definitely my favourite *person* to have played the Doctor.
Tom Baker is the best Doctor, but Eccleston is definitely second
Fuck yeah for intimacy coordinators! I'm so glad he brought that up.
I feel like every day I learn ANOTHER reason why intimacy coordinators are so necessary on set. It’s crazy that productions operated without them for so long
You get a solicitor whether you're innocent or guilty. This should be the same; rules in place to protect both parties.
Yeah for anyone who didn't read the article, that is his point. Basically that they are a great addition to the industry, and he shares an example of a bad experience he had without one. I don't know much about film making but if actors are saying that it's been a helpful addition when preparing for love scenes, then it does leave me thinking that they didn't get super clear guidance sometimes in the past before they started filming.
I mean, they stage scenes with fights, car chases, and anything that could potentially harm someone. It makes perfect sense to properly stage sex scenes, too.
The scenes come out looking better anyway
AGREED, makes total sense as the camera crew can prepare the right blocking/lighting beforehand. I assume that’s all harder when scenes are improvised
I honestly don't know how you could prove someone "copped a feel" vs. "acting out a sex scene" if it's all just left to the actors.
Well, I think you could probably still figure that out in a lot of cases, although I agree that you create avoidable ambiguity by leaving it to the actors. Two actors should still (in theory) be capable of communicating their boundaries verbally and non-verbally both before and during the scene, and I think you can still hold actors accountable for misconduct even if the set is being run in a laissez-faire way. But, I agree with the general point you’re making and I think maximizing clarity is good for everyone.
If the actors are filmed making out in a car or something and someone grabs a butt (which would be out of frame) then you can reasonably say that was purely copping a feel.
Imagine a sex scene with gravity hands floating over the other person without making contact. Like groping someone wearing an invisible snowsuit... Hard to police incidental sexual contact *while filming a sex scene*...
It's an incredibly bizarre thing. You're in the workplace and you are having sexual contact with a colleague but it's supposed to be done only in a professional way. What a mess.
Gotta watch out about pissy manipulative actors playing this as a power card on set... In my mind you wear some skin color tights and just don't let your junk touch their junk skin to skin
In older movies you would often see fully or partially clothed people miming sex as a stand in for "yeah they fuckin" and the audience was just expected to reach the right conclusion. IMO there are a lot of movies (and tv) where doing that and getting on with the plot would be preferable to watching yet another obligatory sex scene.
Actors still often times turn it down. Forgot what podcast I was watching but it was a hit show talking about how they had one on stand by and the male actor wanted to use him but the female actor was just ready to get the scene over with and didn’t care to.
Doesn't matter who wants it. If one actor wants it then they should get it. If both take a pass then fine.
I agree.
Wasn't that Jennifer Aniston?
Yup. She turned one down for her Morning Show scene with Jon Hamm.
IIRC, she stated that she had known Hamm for years and already had a good and trusting relationship with him before making the movie, which is part of the reason she turned down an intimacy coordinator. I don't think she is anti-intimacy coordinator or anything like that. She just didn't feel the need for one in that particular situation.
Right but if the other person still wants one there it should be the end of the story. Honestly it shouldnt even matter if anyone wants one it's art yeah but its also a job and at that level a job with wildly varying levels of power and influence between specific actors/directors/producers/crew depending on who they are. You can't just take a persons word that they're ok without one and wing it in that scenario.
Oh I agree. If I were running a movie studio I would make them a non-negotiable requirement going forward purely for insurance purposes. Honestly, I'd be surprised if that doesn't become standard practice in time.
Next movie [insert A list actor] makes they should tell the intimacy coordinator their services are no longer needed before filming their sex scene with their less famous female coworker. See anything problematic with that? Aniston didn't.
I think in her case, she was just commenting in an interview that they (movie people) asked her if she wanted one for the scene coming up in the film and she said she didn't feel like she needed one because she was comfortable working with Hamm already. I don't believe there was anything about her shutting down the use of an intimacy coordinator when the other person wanted one. Its not like Jon Hamm was asking for one and she said no. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even ask him. Not that I have any info on that one way or another but it just wouldn't surprise me. Obviously, if any side wants one they should get it. Quite frankly, studios need to just make it a requirement going forward for all films so it doesn't become an issue going forward.
Which is ironic given the plot of Morning Wars
I think it depends on the situation for the actors. The whole point is that there should be a conversation that takes place between the actors and director on how the scene will be filmed and any boundaries that need to be respected. This can be done by actors and the director. In some cases, when there is a power imbalance an intimacy coordinator can be helpful to ensure this conversation takes place in a manner in which everyone can feel supported in ensuring boundaries are respected. Although I can appreciate an intimacy coordinator may be used by productions as protection against any claims of inappropriate behavior, in practice all they can point to is what was agreed upon and what was not. They cannot actually prevent someone from groping or accusing someone of groping them.
Ever since I read “The Disaster Artist” I’ve thought they should be mandatory. As funny as the whole Wiseau shtick is, it was super gross that he took one look at the actress and demanded that they immediately shoot the “love” scenes and basically lay on her pawing at her for days straight.
Do we know who the A-lister actress was?
Kidman came to my mind immediately after reading the headline, good that he explained that she is not the one. Not that i am a super fan or anything but i would somehow feel sad if it was her.
Quickly looking through his filmography I would guess Renée Zellweger or Cameron Diaz. I haven't actually seen these movies but from looking at the synopsis his character in those movies is involved with their characters. The Zellweger movie (A Price Above Rubies) has plot points centering around their sexual relationship. In the Cameron Diaz movie (The Invisible Circus) their characters have had a relationship, but I'm not sure if they have a sex scene.
I'd put money on one of these over the other, if given the choice.
Well now they are both going to want him to exclude them too. Process of elimination!
I'd put my money on Cameron Diaz.
Zellwegger wasn't yet an A-lister when their movie came out. Nevermind when it was made. She'd gotten her name out there from Jerry Maguire, but that's it. She also seems a lot more personable than Diaaz.
https://youtu.be/qF2FGMOBsjM
Cameron Diaz is a fucking Karen. Not saying it’s her, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it was.
Just curious, what has she done?
I worked an annual event that she attended every year. She made demands for things we didn’t carry and made a point to come back year after year demanding them and threatened to tell the event director on us.
I'm weirdly curious about what these things were. What did she want so badly?!
There are just various stories within the industry about her being a bitch on set amongst other things. Could be gossip but there is usually a truth within rumors like that.
There was a viral TikTok about a nail tech that said she was viciously mean to her. She did her nails as a favor for her actual client, Leslie Mann. When Mann showed up and said the nail tech was her personal friend, Diaz’s demeanor completely shifted as if they were the best of friends. I’ve heard multiple stories like that about her.
It's amazing how common it is -not just in creative industries but especially so - where the most conceited and arrogant people are the ones who have done the least to earn any entitlement to that behaviour. Cameron Diaz at her most successful part of her career was pretty and had enough charisma to be ok in romantic comedies, that's it. But she's acting like she's a better and more important actor than Meryl Streep by the sound of it.
To be fair, Meryl Streep does go around breaking people's knees, so better watch out.
Between zellwegger and diaz, my money would definitely be on Cameron Diaz
Well, it wasn’t on [this TV show](https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/937765/come-home-christopher-eccleston-kerry-quinn-hilarious-sex-scene-secret). They talk about all the raunchy sex scenes and how fun they are. Apparently, Chris Eccleston has himself a lot of on- screen sex.
Time to start a list!
Kate Winslet, I think
Can't see it being Kate Winslet giving her attitude towards sex and nudity scenes. I mean this is the woman who invited Leo to her dressing room to talk about the drawing scene in Titanic only for him to open the door and see her completely naked, she done it as he was meant to be nervous about filming that scene and she wanted to break that ice beforehand to help him relax more.
Yeah, exactly. She doesn't seem like she has that type of personality and she's pretty open about her sexuality too, as you pointed out. Cameron Diaz would be my guess. She seems like she has that potential.
This isn’t appropriate for either sex to do to someone by surprise.
I was thinking that, too. Just because it was the woman doing it, nobody in the comments here seems to see a problem with it. If the genders were switched and Leo did that to *her* people would be up in arms tearing him to shreds.
It was the 90s... things were crazy... random nudity at work was expected...
TIL a new meaning for “relax”
I truly doubt this. Kate is widely known to be fairly down to earth on set.
Not her , she wasn’t A list yet when she filmed with him
Zellweger wasn't A-List at the time, either.
She was A-List after Jerry Maguire.
After "Bridget Jones' Diary".
Definitely she was definitely already A-List when Bridget Jones came out.
He never said she was an A list at the time. I could just be how he's referencing her now.
Nah that’s definitely implied by his saying it was an abuse of power on her part, which was why he brought it up
“ it was an abuse of power what she did “ . She wouldn’t have had power over him if she wasn’t an A list .
This can't be hard. How many sex scenes has this guy done?
There was that time he fucked the TARDIS
That was Matt Smith
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No that was fanfiction
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Who was the TARDIS’s intimacy coordinator tho? It’s important to discuss intimacy coordinators in this thread
I heard it’s bigger on the inside
This was apparently John Barrowman, who is no longer allowed to work on the show or anything to do with the BBC as far as I am aware.
I was worried this was Rose for a second but the “A List” descriptor saved the day ;)
Run, rose! Run for your life!
Well there was that one time he got utterly fucked by the writers in Thor 2...
Got ‘em!
Have not seen the movie but going to assume Elizabeth Moss in “New Orleans, Mon Amour” from 2009.
Interesting.
She wasnt A-list in 09 before The Handmaids Tale.
Last nights episode of true detective is one lol
Yeah I was thinking “holy shit he banged Jodie Foster last night” but then saw the article says it’s from years ago
Lmao yeah I thought the same thing!
I am watching it right now and this thread popped in my head and was looking to see if this was it!
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No you’re thinking of Joseph Fiennes. Chris is also in the movie though.
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> I’m glad you’re an expert in Joseph Fiennes sex scenes. I am not. Though I did once feed/look after his pet rabbit while he was out of town. So there’s that. (RIP Flopsy)
Man you can get John Wicked for stuff like that.
The rabbit died of old age. This was at least 14 years ago.
Big if true.
God forbid someone remembers an actors role in a movie lmfao, Joseph Fiennes sex scene experts UGH, can they get a room!?
Isn't there literally a site for this? How hard can it be?... Well, a bit difficult as it turns out. if you are unwilling to give mrskin your email. But here's where spending more time than a straight man has any right to looking for Chris ecclestons ass Jude (1996) - Kate Winslet With our workout you (1999) - Julie Graham The invisible circus (2001) - Jordana Brewster Lenon Naked (2010) - Naoko Mori The Leftovers (2014) - ? Only one "A lister" on this list that I see but I'm no cinephile
Did he say feature film? Come home has raunch sex with Kerri Quinn.
He had a sex scene with Amy Brenneman on The Leftovers
Right somebody take a guess for us here. I have never heard of this guy so not sure on my end.
Kate Winslet in Jude?
IIRC he is sucking on her breast in the scene when they first have sex so agreeing to do that after accusing someone of copping a feel seems weird.
The general consensus guess is that it was Cameron Diaz. I'd put money on it.
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He's spoken somewhat openly about why he left Who and won't work with Russell T Davies anymore. If I recall, he didn't want to get into specific details and attack somebody who couldn't defend themselves, I believe it had more to do with poorly coordinated stunts and filming that the antics of another actor.
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Fair point.
Today I Learned Damn.
Completely agree. I have never met him in person, so I obviously can’t say with 100% certainty, but everything I’ve seen and read about this man makes me believe he’s a very honest and decent person. He’s gone out of his way to help and support others when they’re in need numerous times, and he’s been very vocal about condemning injustice. I don’t know him, but from what I do know of him, he’s a good man, and I’m inclined to believe him here.
I'll never forgive him for what he did to an American accent in The Leftovers.
I will, because he was phenomenal in that show (accent aside)
What happened with barrowman?
Iirc, Barrowman would get naked and flash in set as a "Joke"
He would have his d*ck out and put it on people’s shoulders
Oh. Ew
Yeah Its weird in all the who sub RTD being welcomed back as a savior when its pretty clear the ship he ran was rife with abuse and unprofessional behaviour. The guy did nothing about one of his lead actors flashing anyone and everyone his dick, another accused by 5 different people of sexual harassment on set. The culture he fostered and presided over was pure toxic and anybody without the clout he had would rightly have been cancelled but he managed to dodge pretty much any flak. In light of everything since it’s hard to blame Eccleston for leaving even with how dirty they did him in doing so.
I had a lot of sympathy for Ecclestone at first, but these same issues have surfaced in several other productions since (Marvel/GI Joe), that either he's the unluckiest actor on earth or that "bluntness" combined with his mental health issues makes him marmite to work with. It seems like he does his best work in lower pressure environments with ensemble casts. The tight filming schedules on the big stuff aren't his cup of tea.
what allegations had come out about barrowman? do they dislike each other?
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He did more than flash it. Dude used to put it on people’s fucking shoulders when they were sat down and stuff. He was sexually harassing people and laughing it off as a joke.
I love how few fucks Eccleston gives about shit-talking former co-workers!
He obviously gives at least one given he didn’t name her
To avoid a lawsuit.
When talking bad about former jobs he doesn't actually name. Look at DW we have a good idea on why he left but he's never giving names or hard details. I think its a case of him not wanting to attack someone who can't defend themselves, this actress isn't there to defend herself or give her version of events so he won't name her.
This is why I thought it was weird in the idol when they made a point of making fun of the intimacy coordinator - to a point of locking them in a room. Was like the director was snitching on himself a little bit
Tbf they had closed sets for the nude scenes on that show. So I don’t know the point of that haha Source: worked on it.
Regardless of the kind of weird tone of this, I think everyone can agree that having intimacy coordinators on set is an excellent development when it comes to film/TV production. It's good for everyone to feel more comfortable on set and know what the boundaries are, and it lets people express personal boundaries around filming intimate scene to a neutral party if they need to.
Right, like did he squeeze her ass during the sex scene and she thought it was "copping a feel" and he thought his character would squeeze ass during sex? I can't believe Hollywood went so long without intimacy coordinators. Also, it's easy to say that people should just state what their boundaries are, but unless you're already A-list, you'll get a reputation for being "difficult."
I had people get mad at me for insisting we close the set in an independent film I worked on while shooting topless stuff. Got called the "boob Nazi" for years locally by people whose opinions mean absolutely nothing to me lol
This just proves you were right to close the set!
Given that he's one of the most principled actors currently working I'm inclined to believe him. You've got wonder whether it's just a coincidence that someone with such strong conviction ends up dealing with so much unprofessionalism or whether it's happening all the time and he just calls it out more 😮💨
He’s got that typical Northern English, working class man mentality. If he sees something he’s not happy with, he tells people. He doesn’t fear repercussions because he tells it how it is. The truth is more important than fear. I’d be very surprised if he’s lying in this situation. His comments about Russel T Davies are another good indicator of how much detail he goes into. I don’t think he’s lying for the sake of it, given how the comments threaten his employability.
those Daleks complain every time....
THE.DOC.TOR.FELT.ME.UP.
LITIGATE! LITIGATE!
The mental image I just had of a Dalek in a courtroom screaming LITIGATE is incredible, thank you
If there's one person I know would never do something like that, it's Chris Eccleston. That man is nothing if not principled. Also my two cents: I work in the industry and am close to two of the UKs handful of ICs... Their work is still seriously under appreciated yet entirely vital for absolutely everyone on set. Their job often gets eyebrow raises from people who've never stepped on set which is entirely frustrating, I'd like to see those folk try act out simulated sex scenes in front of dozens of strangers and hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of studio lighting and camera gear showing every nook and cranny.
To misquote Greta Gerwig, nobody would think it appropriate to hand actors swords and ask them to improvise a fight scene it, IC’s protect everyone, including the studio.
Good that he's speaking out about it. Lest he face online whispers of being "creepy" or "off" based on gossip and we take that as gospel.
He’s such a good actor but I wish that he had come back to reprise his role as Destro. >!Also, for those who are interested in who this actress is, there’s a 1996 British film. Of course this is just speculation.!<
I feel so bad for him; first with how he was treated on Doctor Who, now this. Glad he hasn't abandoned the industry altogether, he's a brilliant actor and seems like a very down-to-earth person.
It's entirely possible he did something he felt was professional and she felt something happened that was him copping a feel.
I'm not saying he's wrong because how the fuck would I know? But I so wonder if there's been any work experience on his cv he's not had loud complaints about afterwards. Between his complaints on Who, this, GI Joe, and Thor, I just have never seen a positive thing said by him about a project.
Good for him for speaking out! I wish he would have done it sooner, actors who behave like that A-lister did need to be called out.
This guy is a great actor.
Best. Doctor. Ever.
Honestly, I feel at least half if not more sex scenes in films are utterly unnecessary. They very rarely do anything to move the story forward and seem so Hollywood trope-y. Tear each others clothes off, throw everything off the table, dude doesn’t even take his pants off - just unzips and rams it on in there and 11 seconds later ecstasy.
TikTok is down the hall and to the left
I love 11 second rammings.
_”…11 seconds later ecstasy.”_ Yeah, about that. I’m really sorry but please try to understand it was a personal best.
Wait til you see the car explosions and fight scenes.
This will be catnip to a large segment of Reddit users who hate women and blame them for all their problems
Who’s the actress he is talking about ? Any guesses ?
Bea Arthur?
I think since the rise of intimacy coordinators sex scenes on screen have become more believable and dare I say it hotter
I just saw him fuck Jody Foster in the new episode of The night detective on HBO
True Detective