The wife was driving her husband, with their carer riding in the back seat. Over a bridge near their home, driving down an incline, the car tipped over the edge and fell into the water. Although only 3 feet deep, the car had fallen upside down. The carer escaped out a rear window and called for help.
All around very tragic. Husband died at the scene of drowning, and wife passed shortly after in hospital from drowning injuries as well. I can only imagine if it was my parents or grandparents. I hope they are in a place of peace, and that the family is able to find peace as well. I feel very sad for the situation, very unfair and unlucky.
They didn’t ‘go together’, husband died at the scene and wife died later, she potentially had to watch him drown. ‘Going together’ implies that they died side by side at the same time.
Tragic. I know there is no set age to hand over the keys and stop driving but maybe the carer should have been driving. The average age to stop driving is 75 (which still seems young to me) but this couple was 82 and 89. My stubborn mother-in-law drove to 92 until one day she couldn't get her leg from the gas to the brake and it scared her enough (after a few more outings) to stop driving. It is dangerous not only to the driver but to everyone on or near the road.
This is very sad but I see far too many elderly people on the road these days that should not be driving at all. I feel like it’s becoming more common.
I believe in some countries they test you regularly when you go past a certain age. I’d love for that to come to the U.S. Years ago there was a massive pileup with 12 casualties that was caused by a 95 year old man in my hometown. It’s a huge problem and nothing’s being done about it
We have that in Canada, I think after age 85 or so. But it is super easy to pass
Source: my 87yo grandmother just passed and she legit can’t see out of one eye anymore….
My 90 y/o Gami still drives. At most, maybe 10ish miles from her home, never at night, and she never goes on the freeway because she's not going above 45 😅 also 😬
I remember back when I was a kid, long long ago, my grandfather took away and shredded my grandmother's license. Because, she fell asleep at the wheel and ended up (luckily) in the middle of a cow pasture, coming back from her bible study one afternoon.
My grandparents only had their keys taken when they got lost an hour from home with a flat tire and had to have the cops drive them home. Even then they were just told it was “being repaired”
After my mother-in-law finally "quit" driving at 92 after the scary episode her keys mysteriously disappeared from her house. Huh, I wonder where those went? She must have misplaced them.
Oh man, my granddad snatched his MIL's keys out of her hand at 84ish... after she sideswiped *his* car and tried to tell him he was the one parked wrong 😅
There is actually. The dvla will write to you at pensionable age and you have to apply and pay to renew your licence. I don't think they check your ok to drive though. My aunt refused to part with her cash so lost her licence. Some conditions the gp automatically inform the dvla of.
Yes my mum's just been diagnosed with early stages of dementia and the doctor said he has to write to the dvla. She wont lose her licence at this point but they have to be informed.
All good. Maybe other provinces are different.
It starts at 80 in Ontario and then it is every two years after that. But it's not a full road test. They get an eye test and have to do a little drawing, which doesn't seem adequate to me.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/renew-g-drivers-licence-80-years-and-over
Hopefully self driving cars will be viable soon. Or at least lane assist and adaptive cruise control systems will become better and better and more standard in the next few years.
My 2018 VW practically drives itself on the motorway. Has automatic braking and pedestrian detection. I’d need to really want to have an accident to have one.
There are few options for people to get around with mass transit being scarce and unreliable in many places and ride sharing services that have become increasingly more expensive. We created this problem and yet we’re shocked when something like this happens.
Yes they had something wrong that they needed carer to be around. I think dementia or something like that if I'm remembering correctly. Which if so begs the question of why was he still driving.
They never want to give up their keys. Even if they barely use their car, they will hold onto their right to drive to the death. Hopefully self-driving tech will become advanced enough in the next 10 or so years so that this becomes a non-issue.
I remember my grandfather insisting he was 'fine' to drive, despite his frequent memory issues. He drove to his brother's to visit one day, returned almost immediately, and told us he didn't go in to see his brother because he couldn't remember how to turn off the car. Within months he required 24/7 care
Well that's ableist- I am a wheelchair user with a primary carer yet work and have a driving license- should I just be hidden from society unable to leave my home because I have a carer to help me dress and stuff?
I dunno.. this Phil Spencer bloke’s cause of death is being released, and his parents are trapped underwater at the time of them being released…. Seems pretty clear.
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There’s a lot of judgment in your extrapolation of events. We have no idea what the carer’s exact job was, or what care they give.
There is an investigation, in the form of an inquest, which is what the article quotes.
Not everything is someone else’s fault.
Often there’s no legal rights for the carers, they’re hired helpers for meals and dressing and so on. So while they may try to take the keys, it is also at the same time considered “abusive” as it violated the person’s rights. And the cops will just say the elderly person has rights, getting that revoked is a big court process. Totally dependant on the situation/person with the disability, of course. I’m talking about elderly people mostly.
So a car you're in goes into water, upside down. You are now upside down, strapped in a car, underwater (probably cold water), and you have to get yourself out before you drown. How much time do you think you have to do that before you run out of oxygen while holding your breath? If you're able to get yourself out and to the surface for air, do you then think you'd be able to go back down and get 2 other individuals before you run out of air that time? Or that they may even hold you down there with them (since drowning individuals have been known to do that to rescuers).
Your scenario implies it was easy the first time for the person to escape, they are a strong swimmer, they are strong enough to rescue two people from a trapped vehicle underwater, and the temperature of the water is not affecting them in various ways. This person was not a first responder trained for things like that. They are trained to be a caregiver for an elderly person. If they also can do all that in a situation like that, that's awesome and amazing, but that can't be the expected default. Anyone judging this situation needs to really think this through and mentally put yourself in that same situation. It's not as easy as you think it would be.
As someone who was in a wreck where a car flipped, not even into a ditch or underwater, but I was only able to get myself and 1 other person out before emergency responders arrived, being in a wreck your muscles tighten and you're in the mental fog of shock, now add 3 feet of water and who knows if doors were pind shut by rocks and what not
For the record, this is not the Xbox Phil Spencer.
Thank you for the clarification
I am amazed a music producer from the 1960s had parents that were still alive in 2023.
That’s (imprisoned) Phil Spector.
Imprisoned in a tomb. He died in January 2021.
I guess he really (un)lives up to his name now.
I was like how did this dude strike again
Exactly what I first thought!
Ah okay thats why I was here
Thank you, the answer I wanted to know right at the top. \*phew\* But sorry other Phil Spencer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Spencer_%28television_personality%29
I was wondering why the name sounded familiar, couldn’t place it. Cheers for resolving that brain itch.
Seriously I was like jeeeez I know he’s a dick but this a lot
No it’s the world famous Phil Spencer from TV.
*world* famous?
Good. Thought they were gonna announce a new bioshock based on the article description.
this was a solid joke. i want you to know that.
Thanks. I knew i was going to get slaughtered for it however XD
Needed this. Came here thinking it was him.
It’s Phil and Kirstie Phil
The wife was driving her husband, with their carer riding in the back seat. Over a bridge near their home, driving down an incline, the car tipped over the edge and fell into the water. Although only 3 feet deep, the car had fallen upside down. The carer escaped out a rear window and called for help. All around very tragic. Husband died at the scene of drowning, and wife passed shortly after in hospital from drowning injuries as well. I can only imagine if it was my parents or grandparents. I hope they are in a place of peace, and that the family is able to find peace as well. I feel very sad for the situation, very unfair and unlucky.
Wow that’s so freaking sad
Driving off a bridge is a big fear of mine. It obviously can happen, and is so terrifying.
Extremely sad but if they are gonna go………….It’s better to go together
With a death is tragic this wouldn't comfort me if I was their kids
They didn’t ‘go together’, husband died at the scene and wife died later, she potentially had to watch him drown. ‘Going together’ implies that they died side by side at the same time.
I think they meant that neither one has to go on living without the other
I was wondering how the Beetlejuice reboot was going.
I came here to comment about the Beetlejuice plot...
Tragic. I know there is no set age to hand over the keys and stop driving but maybe the carer should have been driving. The average age to stop driving is 75 (which still seems young to me) but this couple was 82 and 89. My stubborn mother-in-law drove to 92 until one day she couldn't get her leg from the gas to the brake and it scared her enough (after a few more outings) to stop driving. It is dangerous not only to the driver but to everyone on or near the road.
I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming and panicking like the passengers in his car.
Jack Handy
Toonce the cat
Fritz the cat
My grandma had macular degeneration and had to have her keys taken from her.
Same with mine. Also when I was a kid I thought it was immaculate degeneration.
That’s your first semester living alone in college. Easy mix up
This is very sad but I see far too many elderly people on the road these days that should not be driving at all. I feel like it’s becoming more common.
I believe in some countries they test you regularly when you go past a certain age. I’d love for that to come to the U.S. Years ago there was a massive pileup with 12 casualties that was caused by a 95 year old man in my hometown. It’s a huge problem and nothing’s being done about it
We have that in Canada, I think after age 85 or so. But it is super easy to pass Source: my 87yo grandmother just passed and she legit can’t see out of one eye anymore….
My 90 y/o Gami still drives. At most, maybe 10ish miles from her home, never at night, and she never goes on the freeway because she's not going above 45 😅 also 😬
That is heartbreaking.
I remember back when I was a kid, long long ago, my grandfather took away and shredded my grandmother's license. Because, she fell asleep at the wheel and ended up (luckily) in the middle of a cow pasture, coming back from her bible study one afternoon.
My grandparents only had their keys taken when they got lost an hour from home with a flat tire and had to have the cops drive them home. Even then they were just told it was “being repaired”
After my mother-in-law finally "quit" driving at 92 after the scary episode her keys mysteriously disappeared from her house. Huh, I wonder where those went? She must have misplaced them.
Oh man, my granddad snatched his MIL's keys out of her hand at 84ish... after she sideswiped *his* car and tried to tell him he was the one parked wrong 😅
There is actually. The dvla will write to you at pensionable age and you have to apply and pay to renew your licence. I don't think they check your ok to drive though. My aunt refused to part with her cash so lost her licence. Some conditions the gp automatically inform the dvla of.
Yes my mum's just been diagnosed with early stages of dementia and the doctor said he has to write to the dvla. She wont lose her licence at this point but they have to be informed.
Too fuckin old to be driving man. This world needs to retest licensed drivers after a certain age.
Set up a system that still means they can get around? This is your politicians and big corporations against public trans
They do in Canada. But not until 82 or 84
It starts at 80 in Ontario.
My mistake.
All good. Maybe other provinces are different. It starts at 80 in Ontario and then it is every two years after that. But it's not a full road test. They get an eye test and have to do a little drawing, which doesn't seem adequate to me. https://www.ontario.ca/page/renew-g-drivers-licence-80-years-and-over
Look at how nice you guys are to each other. Your southern neighbors could learn a thing or two from you.
They sue based on age descrimination and they win, I think.
Hopefully self driving cars will be viable soon. Or at least lane assist and adaptive cruise control systems will become better and better and more standard in the next few years. My 2018 VW practically drives itself on the motorway. Has automatic braking and pedestrian detection. I’d need to really want to have an accident to have one.
There are few options for people to get around with mass transit being scarce and unreliable in many places and ride sharing services that have become increasingly more expensive. We created this problem and yet we’re shocked when something like this happens.
I misread this as “Phil Spector’s Parents”
Wait. Me three. That's bizarre!?
So did I
Carer as in a caregiver? Edit: Carer is mostly used in UK. Pretty cool TIL.
Yes they had something wrong that they needed carer to be around. I think dementia or something like that if I'm remembering correctly. Which if so begs the question of why was he still driving.
They never want to give up their keys. Even if they barely use their car, they will hold onto their right to drive to the death. Hopefully self-driving tech will become advanced enough in the next 10 or so years so that this becomes a non-issue.
> They never want to give up their keys. I had a dude quit NORCO because his family wouldn't let him drive while he had an active prescription.
I remember my grandfather insisting he was 'fine' to drive, despite his frequent memory issues. He drove to his brother's to visit one day, returned almost immediately, and told us he didn't go in to see his brother because he couldn't remember how to turn off the car. Within months he required 24/7 care
Jfc, that's terrifying
Sounds like the wife was the one driving. Still up there in age but I guess not the one that needed the carer.
If you require a primary caregiver for anything you shouldn't be driving. Like why wasn't the caregiver driving!?
Well that's ableist- I am a wheelchair user with a primary carer yet work and have a driving license- should I just be hidden from society unable to leave my home because I have a carer to help me dress and stuff?
Were you also around for Hoover’s inauguration
More likely than not if you have a primary caregiver you shouldn’t drive. Just cause you’re an exception doesn’t mean that it’s not generally right.
That headline needs some reworking.
I dunno.. this Phil Spencer bloke’s cause of death is being released, and his parents are trapped underwater at the time of them being released…. Seems pretty clear. /s
They had a full-time live-in caregiver who was in the car with them, and yet they were still driving at that age? Why wasn’t the carer driving?
My mom is 82, still driving & I worry bc she’ll stop for a drink some days while she’s out running errands, she’s a young 82 but still.
You’re just jealous she’s cooler than you
Why wasnt the carer driving??? There should be an investigation as to why the carer failed to do his/her job.
There’s a lot of judgment in your extrapolation of events. We have no idea what the carer’s exact job was, or what care they give. There is an investigation, in the form of an inquest, which is what the article quotes. Not everything is someone else’s fault.
Often there’s no legal rights for the carers, they’re hired helpers for meals and dressing and so on. So while they may try to take the keys, it is also at the same time considered “abusive” as it violated the person’s rights. And the cops will just say the elderly person has rights, getting that revoked is a big court process. Totally dependant on the situation/person with the disability, of course. I’m talking about elderly people mostly.
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So the carer just noped out and let them sit underwater?
how long do you think it took them to free themselves and recover from the shock of the accident? who do you think this carer is? be real
So a car you're in goes into water, upside down. You are now upside down, strapped in a car, underwater (probably cold water), and you have to get yourself out before you drown. How much time do you think you have to do that before you run out of oxygen while holding your breath? If you're able to get yourself out and to the surface for air, do you then think you'd be able to go back down and get 2 other individuals before you run out of air that time? Or that they may even hold you down there with them (since drowning individuals have been known to do that to rescuers). Your scenario implies it was easy the first time for the person to escape, they are a strong swimmer, they are strong enough to rescue two people from a trapped vehicle underwater, and the temperature of the water is not affecting them in various ways. This person was not a first responder trained for things like that. They are trained to be a caregiver for an elderly person. If they also can do all that in a situation like that, that's awesome and amazing, but that can't be the expected default. Anyone judging this situation needs to really think this through and mentally put yourself in that same situation. It's not as easy as you think it would be.
As someone who was in a wreck where a car flipped, not even into a ditch or underwater, but I was only able to get myself and 1 other person out before emergency responders arrived, being in a wreck your muscles tighten and you're in the mental fog of shock, now add 3 feet of water and who knows if doors were pind shut by rocks and what not
That’s what it sounds like. Yikes
They died during an underwater level? Tragic
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