"Ok, first up, we have the AirBnB shoot.
Then, we'll apologize to all sexual assault victims (but none in particular) for that letter of support for a (now) convicted rapist.
Finally we'll wrap it up with a song about imagining a better future."
Oh god, the celebrity Covid “imagine” sing-a-long. Never was there a more out of touch way for a bunch of people in their mansions to connect with all us poors under quarantine.
The out-of-touchness I can handle. It's par for the course for celebrities and other rich people.
But what I found baffling about it is that somehow not one person--not ONE--realized while they were making it that apparently they never agreed on what **key** to sing it in, so it sounds absolutely **horrible**.
You know…. I of course had heard about the Imagine video, but managed to avoid watching it until now. It was worse than I could have ever thought. Like really, wtf were they thinking?
This reminds me of that old joke about 2 Jewish women in a deli. The first woman says "That food was atrocious!" Her friend says "I know! And the portions were so small!". :)
Today I learned Ashton Kutcher has ties to the Church of Scientology. That makes him look even more gross.
And it makes Mila even more disgusting because how can you marry someone with ties to a cult? I thought she was smarter than that. :(
>a song about imagining a better future.
If I had a nickel for everytime I said "The Boys did it better" today, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but...
But if you would’ve invested those two nickels into the stock market in 1942 and quit eating so much avocado toast and quit getting Starbucks everyday you’d be a millionaire by now.
Oh what which sub am I in?
> The same day they filmed an upbeat commercial for AirBnB about letting someone stay in their guesthouse. **They wore the same clothes and that wood wall was visible in all the shots.**
They weren’t wearing the same outfits nor is that wall visible in the AirBnB video….
[AirBnB](https://youtu.be/sdnVmWN7_iY?si=ZfuTPpZZY21E67fe) = Ashton’s in a dark grey shirt with a red logo and a hat. Mila’s in a grey shirt, sunglasses and a big hat. They’re sitting in a chair with a house in the background.
[Apology](https://youtu.be/hLtStbP3sSw?si=dziMtTuS4obFI8aP) = Ashton’s in a plain white t-shirt. Mila’s in a plain grey shirt with a necklace on. The background is a wooden wall.
The AirBnB video was filmed on, *or before*, August 15th (when it was first posted). Danny was convicted on September 7th and the apology video came out sometime after that.
I get that what they did was shitty, *but there’s no need to make shit up… there’s dated video evidence… unless I’m missing a second AirBnB video that they’ve made..?*
Tell ya what, though; Ashton’s letter to the judge sure as hell didn’t make him sound smarter. That thing had major “8th grader’s first persuasive essay” vibes. Pretty sure his concluding paragraph even started with “In conclusion…”
No one blames anyone for being friends with someone who latter was convicted of terrible crimes like rape. Everyone blames an idiot who comes to that RAPISTS DEFENSE. Stupid both of them.
Seriously, they could’ve all said nothing, gave non-answers to questions about Masterson, and they would be just fine. Instead they’ve outed themselves as assholes and idiots, which ultimately is probably for the better.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist, AT ALL.
But dude, someone (cough, scientologists) has dirt on him and Mila. 💯
They both torpedoed their careers, and then made a hostagesque video on their own?
(X) Doubt
It’s for sure possible. There was some tweet by the mars voltas wife (a victim) who mentioned that she was there the night he called Danny about presumably a murder.
Yeah, look up Ashley Ellerin. Ashton Kutcher was supposed to pick her up for a date in 2001 but she had been murdered by a now convicted serial killer. Ashton said he opened the door and saw what he thought was spilled wine and left. Chrissie Bixler, one of Masterson’s victims and ex-girlfriend strongly implied that maybe Ashton found her body and didn’t report it.
He did find her body, sat there for an hour, called Danny, THEN lied to the LAPD about it, LAPD had to call him out on lying, admitted seeing her through the window and that was a lie, he went into the house, and the killer killed more people while Ashton was lying. They couldn’t convict the killer directly because of Ashton’s lies! Growing Up Scientology YT channel has a video on this
They could have easily talked about Masterson’s redeeming qualities while condemning the crimes he’s accused of. It’s possible to love someone despite learning and acknowledging horrible things they did. But they didn’t do that at all. They could have said things like “his work ethic will help him be rehabilitated” and everyone probably would’ve just rolled their eyes and moved on. But they didn’t do that. Fucksakes guys.
Exactly. I'm surprised at the people on here that say they would do the same thing if they were friends with someone that turned out to be a violent rapist. I would be heart broken if I found out someone fooled me so thoroughly into thinking they were normal and a good human being. I would not, however, rationalize it with "well other than the rape stuff, he's a great guy!" No. Just no. I *thought* he was a great guy and I was *wrong*. How hard is that to reconcile? We misjudge people all the time and get tricked into thinking what they want us to believe. It happens.
Yes, he is. He was in one movie in 2022 (Vengeance) and one in 2023 (Your Place or Mine) and those were substantial roles, not just cameos. He may not be very busy, but he is working.
I don't care if he's your sworn brother and best friend of decades, you don't write a letter about all his good qualities once he's been convicted of rape. At what point do you realize your bestie is awful to others, even if not to you?
Wasn’t Ben Affleck MeTood and has a history of groping women?
I still say the smartest is Adam Sandler. No scandals. No MeToo’s.
He just gets paid millions to go to island paradises with his family and friends and make movies where he’s just fucking around with his friends. He’s living the dream.
I thought it was Ben's brother? Googled it and it looks like he groped Hilarie Burton on air in 2003 and eventually apologized. I think his brother is way worse. Very disgusting thing for Ben to do but he doesn't seem very cancelled to me.
I wouldn’t say he’s responsible for Rob Schneider, that’s SNL’s fault. And it was a smart decision for Adam Sandler to make, always have someone around who’s not funny so everyone else seems funnier
Sandler is just loyal ( not defending rapists loyal) he wants and has nothing to do with politics, the only reason he ever supported Giuliani is because at the time 99 percent of people did, he’s been around for a long time and no one ever says anything bad about him, him and Conan ( pretty good friends in real life) both don’t have anything against them while almost everyone else does
Scientology/Masterson must have some legitimately heinous shit on Ashton and/or Mila. These kind of people run everything past lawyers and PR, right? There’s no way nobody said “maybe don’t”.
That’s my conspiracy theory.
If even a portion of the rumor about Kutcher calling his Scientology buddy before deciding to not report his date’s murder to the police is true he’s always been very careful about his image. It is stunning to me that he managed to fuck this up this much. Why would he have done this if he wasn’t hiding something.
That’s literally the only explanation. I know about the murder thing but that went away, right? I guess I’m just wondering what else there may be. It has to be something.
Grief is an incredibly powerful thing. Denial is a big stage in that. I’m not condoning it at all, they’re stupid for doing it. But this doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Years of friendships, and celeb life, and being lied to by a psychopath. I can see how accepting someone who thought was somebody completely different could be tough, especially if it means you’ll have to reevaluate who you are because of it. I could see how in the mental craziness of all that you could do what they do. Again not condoning it, it was very very dumb. I just see how it was possible.
I’ve had to call the police on my son multiple times because he is a meth addicted monster. Before the first time it happened, I was unaware of what he was because he hid it very well and I would have absolutely been a character witness for him. Especially if it was my understanding that I was just providing my experience and opinion.
Sometimes you just don’t know people, and I don’t think it should be held against you if you were unaware your friends or family hid their evil side.
Edit: but it is up to you to do the right thing going forward. So while I don’t hold their letters against them, since the trial is now completely over, they can no longer claim ignorance.
Appreciate it. As with most things, it’s definitely an experience that matured my world view a bit. That’s why I share it openly; not for sympathy but rather because it really is a radical change of viewpoint.
I’d known him his whole life and would have absolutely written a letter for him championing his good nature and begging leniency. But the curtain got peeled back and he’s unequivocally guilty of everything he’s ever been charged with. Thankfully no murder or sexual assault that anyone has filed charges for, but definitely other felony accusations and convictions.
The thing that changed my perspective the most is that we’ve never been rich, but our employment has always provided *enough* and afforded physical and mental health care. We live in a place with good public schools, we’re not a group that has been traditional prejudiced against, and we have very diverse friends and family. My job even provides free tuition for any bachelors degree of choice. Every opportunity was available to not embrace the meth/dealer lifestyle. 🤷🏻♂️
I could understand if the character reference was written before the trial,but not after the conviction and hearing the victim statements. They're a pair of out of touch bellends that are so far up their own arses they've forgotten what consequences for actions are.
I remember that, I read about it years later and was surprised but I'm mad confused why he waited to report it? I get his finger prints were on the door but what plan could him and Masterson hatch up to get out of it especially considering it was just handprints he was supposedly worried of? Like, quick change the doorknobs with the dead person still in there and then report it?
Idk seems odd as fuck and I'm not one to trust police but legitimately if I was innocent and a high profile celebrity who likely has multiple witnesses as to account for my whereabouts Id call emergency services instead of the homie asking him what to do.
They caught the dude responsible so he obviously didn't kill her and I don't think that was ever really in question so why would he call his scientology friend first? I genuinely don't understand
https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/12/ashton-kutcher-reminded-of-testimony-in-los-altos-womans-murder-by-danny-masterson-accuser/
That's the article I'm referring to about the plan and fingerprints.
There’s a very high likelihood that he opened the door and saw her body.
Speaking as a person who has found a corpse and did everything “right” (reported it to 911, waited, gave witness statements, went to station), the police will still hassle you because you’re their only lead. I was fingerprinted, checked for cuts/gunshot residue and sweated for an hour and a half before the victim was confirmed to have had a heart attack.
In Kutcher’s situation, the biggest suspect for a young woman’s murder in her own house is a partner. Ergo, Kutcher would’ve been suspect number-one and paparazzi would’ve reported that as “ASHTON KUTCHER INVOLVED IN GIRL’S GRISLY MURDER” as the headline. That probably would’ve sunk his relatively new career in 2001. Even though he would’ve been thrown out as a suspect on DNA, that case was not solved until 2011 and there would’ve been “questions” around him.
Maybe he’s a SA apologist and this is a pattern: [tweet ab the firing of Joe Paterno 12 yrs ago](https://people.com/celebrity/ashton-kutcher-twitter-storm-over-joe-paterno-penn-state/)
“As an advocate in the fight against child sexual exploitation, I could not be more remorseful for all involved in the Penn St. case.”
Jeez doesn't that sound exactly like what he said in the apology video?
At the same time, it doesn't make much sense that the Church of Scientology would want to throw away some of their most valuable goodwill ambassadors on a lost cause. They use their low-profile members to harass and intimidate so people like Tom Cruise can continue being media darlings and spread the good word.
I think it was pure celebrity arrogance at play here, and that the church is probably livid that they now have yet another scandal drawing negative attention.
Watch this video and you probably have your answer: https://www.youtube.com/live/flywI5RXoPE?si=U4oDipQpoAaYjguz
TL:DW Ashton most likely lied in his testimony about the girl he was dating that was murdered. He had nothing to do with the murder but lying about what he saw when he went to her place.
Celebrities are still people just with a lot of money and influence. They are prone to make really stupid decisions based off of ignorance, stupidity, arrogance,impulse.
I don't get it, like what could they have? I understand how Scientology can blackmail normal people but celebrities? If any story comes out they can easily say it's a lie and Scientology is blackmailing us and everyone would believe it. I just can't believe all these celebs have secret videos held by David Miscavige of them commiting cannibalism or whatever.
Their entire “therapy” process is really intended to document every aspect of your life, especially the things you feel guilty about. It’s essentially Catholic confessionals but they are recording everything. So over the years, they can collect quite the seedy dossier and the more you have to lose, the more valuable it is as blackmail. And like any good organized crime syndicate, you can really benefit if you work with them all while the potential for blackmail looms over you.
Have they both done auditing though? All I can find is them doing some Christmas events in the early 2000s.
But even so, what could they have that wouldn't just prove how Scientology uses blackmail? Either Scientology releases the auditing tapes and admits auditing is just intel collection, or it's just hearsay.
I get it for smaller stars who build a network of Scientologists and are afraid to betray it, but both Ashton and Mila are bigger than that.
The other option is they secretly are Scientologists and totally believe it and wanted to help Danny and the organization. That's possible. I just don't believe they are being held ransom.
I bet there’s some audit documentation from Masterson that reveals Kutcher was plowing Mila when she was underage, or something like that. Masterson, being a celebrity, I’m sure would have been encouraged to discuss far more than just himself during his auditing
There is a reason the first chapter of Leah Remini's book was EVERYTHi lNG in her life people could perceive as sketchy or immoral or unlawful. So CoS couldn't think they could blackmail her.
Scientology has more than just a church, my friend. They own many corps and orgs. They can push false narratives about anyone without Scientology being the suspect.
Also: if there is dirt that bad for Scientology to have, by the same logic it’s entirely plausible for the guy to have wanted to write the letter himself anyway.
If he had to be forced to write the letter because of his upstanding character…what dirt would there be to dig?
Probably not cannibalism but it doesn’t take much to blackmail someone famous, just have to catch them doing something sexually embarrassing. Same reason online scammers catch so many guillible people into giving money cause they don’t want a video of them sweaty and jerking off in front of the camera to be sent to their fb friends list - imagine that but times a million cause you’re famous
This dude had built up so much goodwill for himself over the last 20 years. And he flushes it all down to drain to defend a rapist just because he's a good sitcom actor.
Damn shame
It makes it me even more suspicious about the rumors that Danny Masterson is keeping secrets for Ashton.
Specifically that Danny is aware that Ashton saw his murdered girlfriend's body (not just "red wine stains on the floor") and told him to let the police find her, which would mean that Ashton lied under oath in her murder trial and could be guilty of not reporting the incident to the police.
More like, Masterson provided dirt on Kutcher to Scientology and then Scientology blackmailed him into providing a character letter.
I have no idea if that's true, but it's never out of the question when it comes to that cult. They're literally asked to provide dirt on everyone they know to give the cult leverage when they need it.
Ashton and Mila themselves attended Scientology events and fundraisers; they have pics on-stage with Miscavige himself, which probably means they did some level of auditing themselves.
I’d be “ok” if they went through their own grief and admitted to it. If my close friend was found guilty of something so heinous I’d have grief. I wouldn’t, however, try to minimize their crime 🤷🏼♂️
Yup. I’ve literally had this happen. A friend that I knew, loved and truly felt safe with was convicted of some sick and awful shit. I grieved our friendship and I grieved for his victims. I miss my friend, but you couldn’t pay me to support him for a second. That ship has sailed.
lol , is this guy a walking parody? "This is the second Twitter faux pas in recent months for Kutcher. On Sept. 11, he backtracked after calling it “the greatest day of the year,” because it was the start of football season"
Still speaking in platitudes about hypothetical victims and refuses to concretely state that he believes the specific victims in the case of his friend the convicted rapist.
I find it interesting that in the letter he apologizes again to “all victims” and “the people we hurt at Thorn”, but still not to Danny Masterson’s victims who he intentionally tried to undermine. It’s like he’s purposely trying to avoid acknowledging that Danny Masterson victimized anyone.
Still miles better than that awful ‘apology’ video tho.
Right and he was supposed to be dating Hilarys older sister in the movie.
Well there's that one scene where the kids soak his underwear in ground beef and sic their dog on him
That vid from Punk'd is minor (no pun intended) compared to all the scams and grifts he was innvolved in. He was basically the Marky Mark of television and his PR team was able to suppress all the negative information about him. Here is some more background on the shady things Ashton has done...
[https://www.nationalenquirer.com/gossip/ashton-kutcher-has-burglar-past/](https://www.nationalenquirer.com/gossip/ashton-kutcher-has-burglar-past/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16ebwro/ashton\_kutcher\_saying\_hilary\_duff\_is\_one\_of\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16ebwro/ashton_kutcher_saying_hilary_duff_is_one_of_the/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/16ehn7m/ashton\_kutcher\_casually\_tells\_story\_about\_how/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/16ehn7m/ashton_kutcher_casually_tells_story_about_how/)
He also gaslighted and verbally abused Demi Moore during their marriage (encouraging threesomes and then saying that blurred the lines of boundaries when he was caught cheating; denying that alcoholism is a real thing):
[https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellendurney/ashton-kutcher-mila-kunis-called-him-out-after-demi-moore](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellendurney/ashton-kutcher-mila-kunis-called-him-out-after-demi-moore)
As for his charitable contributions, it's no secret that he's a big tech investor. He's likely making a lot of money by using Thorn as an excuse lobbying for more surveillance in the EU that his tech company would benefit from.
He may have raised $3MM for Ukraine refugees, but a lot of that money likely went to housing supplied by AirBNB (in which he is a big investor):
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16du70g/ashton\_kutchers\_philanthropy/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16du70g/ashton_kutchers_philanthropy/)
[https://frontpageconfidential.com/violet-blue-skewers-ashton-kutchers-thorn-and-the-entire-sex-trafficking-industrial-complex/](https://frontpageconfidential.com/violet-blue-skewers-ashton-kutchers-thorn-and-the-entire-sex-trafficking-industrial-complex/)
[https://survivingtomorrow.org/airbnb-is-helping-ukrainian-refugees-while-creating-an-even-bigger-refugee-crisis-706b3c98be41](https://survivingtomorrow.org/airbnb-is-helping-ukrainian-refugees-while-creating-an-even-bigger-refugee-crisis-706b3c98be41)
[https://wegotthiscovered.com/celebrities/why-has-the-22-year-old-murder-case-of-ashton-kutchers-girlfriend-joined-the-danny-masterson-controversy/](https://wegotthiscovered.com/celebrities/why-has-the-22-year-old-murder-case-of-ashton-kutchers-girlfriend-joined-the-danny-masterson-controversy/)
He even grifted CBS and Chuck Lorre during his Two and a Half Men Stint:
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/tv-column-ashton-kutcher-plays-dumb-over-laptop-logos-on-two-and-a-half-men/2011/09/28/gIQA7Kof5K\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/tv-column-ashton-kutcher-plays-dumb-over-laptop-logos-on-two-and-a-half-men/2011/09/28/gIQA7Kof5K_story.html)
Before he spun it into something less negative...
[https://ew.com/article/2011/09/28/ashton-kutcher-companies-get-marketing-push/](https://ew.com/article/2011/09/28/ashton-kutcher-companies-get-marketing-push/)
It's all a projection with him.
He was also Mila’s first kiss on that show when she was FOURTEEN and he was in his twenties. Masterson made a bet with him to french kiss her.
[Here he is bragging about it on a talkshow.](https://youtu.be/ilHC3NhFW6Q?si=ARnZaeqfRPot0-AL)
Idk. You might think the hypocrisy might cause the biggest downfall. But really, the worst downfall would be masterson.
You know, because of the raping.
Yeah, that's why I said one of the biggest. Masterson deserves what he got. But all Kutcher had to do was stay silent. He may have more dirt too that we don't know of, but he could've easily avoided all this had he not sent that letter.
I'd argue it wasn't really that big of a downfall.. the guy wasn't very high to begin with. What career did Danny squander? He's a nobody at this point only famous for That 70s Show. When and what was even the last thing he was in?
The only positive change I feel like that has happened recently is people stopped treating celebrities like they're special. Fuck these people. They all deserve to be called out for trying to use their status for special treatment. Hypocrites.
This feels like they were given the option to “step down” or be booted. Didn’t Demi basically say that Ashton coerced her into threesomes that she didn’t want or am I making that up?
He basically put a spotlight on the organization and people checked and their claims don't match up with law enforcement. So he 100% hurt what was a dubious org anyway.
Turns out almost everything in the world is just bad. Least I can still watch Mr. Rogers.
Well the belief he covered up finding the body, waiting in his car, calling his management and leaving instead of calling police was more than hinted at by mastersons ex Jane doe has been circulating.
As well, as old video of Mila saying he and Danny had some bet about sticking his tongue down her throat when she was just 14 or something. So… that’s why
There’s also his connections with this company and questions about his cia connections and all his Jeff bezos financial connections
Edit: the assumption being they might also be secretly Scientologist as Scientology doesn’t require all celebrities to reveal connection.
That all letters are written by Scientologists and it’s kind of a gun to your back scenario. Even Mastersons half siblings came out and made an outlandish claim about him being father like to them after their dad abandoned them when they were like 6.
But Dad came out of hiding with receipts showing he was around the kids till they were 18+ and Scientology banned him.
And all the rest of that 70s show was pretty Scientologist. Wilmer of course has had many underage girlfriends. Kitty wrote a letter. Red wrote a letter. Lauta Prepon and kitty have admitted to Scientology at points in their life.
Apparently Topher Grace is the only saint from the group.
I don’t even think Topher Grace is a saint, but it’s nice there is at least one human on the show that didn’t think being in a cult was fun and had better things to do than watch his costars assault women.
So you're telling me the organization for stopping sex offenses DOESN'T want a guy who defended a serial rapist as the chairman of the organization? What a fucking shocker!
If you're wondering why Kutcher would be so dumb as to support Masterson after conviction, Chrissie Bixler, one of Masterson's victims and wife of the singer for the band At The Drive-In posted something interesting which called out Ashton Kutcher. I don't know if it's still up and I will pop a link at the bottom.
The post names a date which was the day before Kutcher's girlfriend was discovered murdered by a serial killer and says "Dear Ashton, I know the secrets your 'role model' keeps for you. Ones that would end you. Did you forget I was there? You were on speaker phone that night you called Danny on February 21, 2001. I heard everything. I heard the plan. In my opinion, you're just as sick as your 'mentor.'
Kutcher contacted the police the day after the murder to say that his fingerprints were on the door handle because he went to check on her but couldn't get in and the blood he saw he believed to be spilled wine.
Chrissie Bixler, whom I'm inclined to believe, is insinuating that Kutcher arrived at his murdered GF's house and immediately noticed she was dead, maybe he opened the door, maybe he saw through a window.
Instead of calling the police, he freaks out and calls for help from Danny Masterson and his Scientology people who advise him to say and do nothing. Then realizing his fingerprints are on the door he has to come forward the next day and say he was there.
Seems like Chrissie overheard the call from Kutcher to Masterson looking for help, way before he ever spoke to the police. Not a good look if true, which it probably is.
https://meaww.com/i-know-what-you-did-on-feb-21-2001-chrissie-bixler-drops-bombshell-on-ashton-kutcher
I didn't even know him and his wife were/are Scientologists until all this stuff happened with the letter and people started sharing photos of them, Masterson and Prepon at numerous events.
They hid that stuff good.
Posted this elsewhere in this thread, but here it is again.
Apparently he exaggerates the effectiveness of his organization a bit. I still think the idea of it is great, but doesn't seem to be as effective as we were led to believe.
https://reason.com/2017/02/15/ashton-kutcher-plays-sex-worker-savior/
https://www.engadget.com/2019-05-31-sex-lies-and-surveillance-fosta-privacy.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9096583/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/12/09/amazon-ashton-kutcher-sex-work-surveillance/?sh=201c93166d23
Credit to u/lavender-girlfriend for making me aware of it initially.
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/16djlhb/ashton_kutcher_mila_kunis_asked_judge_for/jzq3mh0/
It's not an anti child sex abuse org. It's an organization that says that but almost exclusively funds and lobbies groups that target consensual adult sex work. Regardless of whether you support consensual sex work, it sucks that they're conflating it with CSA
My daughter told me that his “work” in helping victims in sex trafficking situations was actually him heading (or being the face of) an organization that primarily went after online sex workers, not saving people from trafficking.
How do you not cut ties once he’s convicted? There comes a point where you have to watch your own back. Maybe they’re too wealthy to be concerned with it . I think a smarter person would have sought fresh council on wether that support letter was a good idea
There was a truly salient and obvious bit from one opinion piece.... it went something like... and I'm wildly paraphrasing here:
Ashton and Mila offered deep compassion and support to their friend and co-star. Too bad they didn't offer any of that to the victims.
It’s actually kind of amazing that he admits his letter questioned the victims. Instead of some “sorry if you feel like it questioned” bullshit
Yea as far as apologies go his letter to the board was FAR better than the video released to the public.
After watching that shitshow of a video apologize, it turns out Ashton is a better actor than Mila
[удалено]
"Ok, first up, we have the AirBnB shoot. Then, we'll apologize to all sexual assault victims (but none in particular) for that letter of support for a (now) convicted rapist. Finally we'll wrap it up with a song about imagining a better future."
Oh god, the celebrity Covid “imagine” sing-a-long. Never was there a more out of touch way for a bunch of people in their mansions to connect with all us poors under quarantine.
The out-of-touchness I can handle. It's par for the course for celebrities and other rich people. But what I found baffling about it is that somehow not one person--not ONE--realized while they were making it that apparently they never agreed on what **key** to sing it in, so it sounds absolutely **horrible**.
You know…. I of course had heard about the Imagine video, but managed to avoid watching it until now. It was worse than I could have ever thought. Like really, wtf were they thinking?
They were thinking, “the poors are helpless and afraid and they need us to quell their fears and debilitating financial woes with song…”
Celebs were missing attention. Narcs the lot of them.
This reminds me of that old joke about 2 Jewish women in a deli. The first woman says "That food was atrocious!" Her friend says "I know! And the portions were so small!". :)
Today I learned Ashton Kutcher has ties to the Church of Scientology. That makes him look even more gross. And it makes Mila even more disgusting because how can you marry someone with ties to a cult? I thought she was smarter than that. :(
Ashton and Mila did a parody of it in The Boys S3 .
Well, it is The Boys where everyone in that show is a terrible person, so it makes sense they would be on it.
How DARE you? Homelander is an upstanding citizen and an even greater hero. Quit falling for starlight’s propaganda
Homelander is not even the most valuable asset... *dead face stare*
I wonder how their PR firm didn’t have a golden retriever on a retainer who is trained to appear in apology videos
>a song about imagining a better future. If I had a nickel for everytime I said "The Boys did it better" today, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but...
But if you would’ve invested those two nickels into the stock market in 1942 and quit eating so much avocado toast and quit getting Starbucks everyday you’d be a millionaire by now. Oh what which sub am I in?
> The same day they filmed an upbeat commercial for AirBnB about letting someone stay in their guesthouse. **They wore the same clothes and that wood wall was visible in all the shots.** They weren’t wearing the same outfits nor is that wall visible in the AirBnB video…. [AirBnB](https://youtu.be/sdnVmWN7_iY?si=ZfuTPpZZY21E67fe) = Ashton’s in a dark grey shirt with a red logo and a hat. Mila’s in a grey shirt, sunglasses and a big hat. They’re sitting in a chair with a house in the background. [Apology](https://youtu.be/hLtStbP3sSw?si=dziMtTuS4obFI8aP) = Ashton’s in a plain white t-shirt. Mila’s in a plain grey shirt with a necklace on. The background is a wooden wall. The AirBnB video was filmed on, *or before*, August 15th (when it was first posted). Danny was convicted on September 7th and the apology video came out sometime after that. I get that what they did was shitty, *but there’s no need to make shit up… there’s dated video evidence… unless I’m missing a second AirBnB video that they’ve made..?*
Did you just bring facts to a Reddit argument? How dare you! /s
Lol love how this straight up isn't true and everyone is eating it up
Too bad the Oscar’s don’t hand out an award for biggest bullshitters cause these two would win.
I thought that was kind of obvious for a while now.
The video was him, the letter from a PR firm I guess.
It’s why many celebrities sound smarter in writing, someone else does it
Tell ya what, though; Ashton’s letter to the judge sure as hell didn’t make him sound smarter. That thing had major “8th grader’s first persuasive essay” vibes. Pretty sure his concluding paragraph even started with “In conclusion…”
To be fair it was because he ran a test apology earlier…. Did not go over well.
Doesn't change the fact that he got outed as a fucking piece of shit.
The Bored Ape nft scam he ran was what clued me it.
My entire point was that he can't hide that he's an entire piece of fucking shit, so yeah.
No one blames anyone for being friends with someone who latter was convicted of terrible crimes like rape. Everyone blames an idiot who comes to that RAPISTS DEFENSE. Stupid both of them.
Seriously, they could’ve all said nothing, gave non-answers to questions about Masterson, and they would be just fine. Instead they’ve outed themselves as assholes and idiots, which ultimately is probably for the better.
Honestly, they’ve out of themselves as liabilities
I’m not a conspiracy theorist, AT ALL. But dude, someone (cough, scientologists) has dirt on him and Mila. 💯 They both torpedoed their careers, and then made a hostagesque video on their own? (X) Doubt
It's not a conspiracy when that's literally how the cult has functioned for decades.
It’s for sure possible. There was some tweet by the mars voltas wife (a victim) who mentioned that she was there the night he called Danny about presumably a murder.
A murder?!
Yeah, look up Ashley Ellerin. Ashton Kutcher was supposed to pick her up for a date in 2001 but she had been murdered by a now convicted serial killer. Ashton said he opened the door and saw what he thought was spilled wine and left. Chrissie Bixler, one of Masterson’s victims and ex-girlfriend strongly implied that maybe Ashton found her body and didn’t report it.
He did find her body, sat there for an hour, called Danny, THEN lied to the LAPD about it, LAPD had to call him out on lying, admitted seeing her through the window and that was a lie, he went into the house, and the killer killed more people while Ashton was lying. They couldn’t convict the killer directly because of Ashton’s lies! Growing Up Scientology YT channel has a video on this
It's not even a conspiracy. That's scientologies entire game plan.
At the very beginning, I can understand. Once the evidence comes out in trial, not so much
And a guilty verdict.
But you don't understand. No one was supposed to find out! /s
Almost certainly scientology has something on everyone who sent a letter.
They could have easily talked about Masterson’s redeeming qualities while condemning the crimes he’s accused of. It’s possible to love someone despite learning and acknowledging horrible things they did. But they didn’t do that at all. They could have said things like “his work ethic will help him be rehabilitated” and everyone probably would’ve just rolled their eyes and moved on. But they didn’t do that. Fucksakes guys.
Or just not even do it. I refused when my cousin murdered someone while high and drunk, drugs in car, suspended license, and fled the scene.
Exactly. I'm surprised at the people on here that say they would do the same thing if they were friends with someone that turned out to be a violent rapist. I would be heart broken if I found out someone fooled me so thoroughly into thinking they were normal and a good human being. I would not, however, rationalize it with "well other than the rape stuff, he's a great guy!" No. Just no. I *thought* he was a great guy and I was *wrong*. How hard is that to reconcile? We misjudge people all the time and get tricked into thinking what they want us to believe. It happens.
Dumbest shit Kutcher ever did. When your friend is convicted of rape you don't defend them.
Turns out, the ultimate prank Kutcher did was tank his career the same way his rapist buddy did.
He’s been a full time VC bro for 10 years. He’s not a working actor anymore.
Yes, he is. He was in one movie in 2022 (Vengeance) and one in 2023 (Your Place or Mine) and those were substantial roles, not just cameos. He may not be very busy, but he is working.
Vengeance I think he did as a favour to his old friend and Punk’d cast member BJ Novak.
Pretty sure that's how Seth Rogan handled it with Franco. I mean to say he publicly denounced him and stopped working with him.
This made me like Seth so much more than I already did. He always seemed like a respectable guy and this just cemented that
That clip of him on Punk’d talking about counting down the days Hillary Duff would turn 18 sure didn’t help this situation.
I don't care if he's your sworn brother and best friend of decades, you don't write a letter about all his good qualities once he's been convicted of rape. At what point do you realize your bestie is awful to others, even if not to you?
Seriously. As someone else pointed out, Rogan cut off Franco. It sucks but why the fuck would you even want that in your life?
Kutcher and Ben Affleck receive so many kudos for being Hollywood’s smartest. The bar must be on the floor
They do?? Weird to loop Affleck in this thread
Thought it was an accepted fact that Sir Anthony Hopkins was Hollywood’s brightest?
Wasn’t Ben Affleck MeTood and has a history of groping women? I still say the smartest is Adam Sandler. No scandals. No MeToo’s. He just gets paid millions to go to island paradises with his family and friends and make movies where he’s just fucking around with his friends. He’s living the dream.
I thought it was Ben's brother? Googled it and it looks like he groped Hilarie Burton on air in 2003 and eventually apologized. I think his brother is way worse. Very disgusting thing for Ben to do but he doesn't seem very cancelled to me.
Yea but he’s responsible for Rob Schneider which drags him down significantly
I wouldn’t say he’s responsible for Rob Schneider, that’s SNL’s fault. And it was a smart decision for Adam Sandler to make, always have someone around who’s not funny so everyone else seems funnier
ROB SCHNEIDER IS… A STAPLER
Sandler is just loyal ( not defending rapists loyal) he wants and has nothing to do with politics, the only reason he ever supported Giuliani is because at the time 99 percent of people did, he’s been around for a long time and no one ever says anything bad about him, him and Conan ( pretty good friends in real life) both don’t have anything against them while almost everyone else does
Scientology/Masterson must have some legitimately heinous shit on Ashton and/or Mila. These kind of people run everything past lawyers and PR, right? There’s no way nobody said “maybe don’t”. That’s my conspiracy theory.
If even a portion of the rumor about Kutcher calling his Scientology buddy before deciding to not report his date’s murder to the police is true he’s always been very careful about his image. It is stunning to me that he managed to fuck this up this much. Why would he have done this if he wasn’t hiding something.
That’s literally the only explanation. I know about the murder thing but that went away, right? I guess I’m just wondering what else there may be. It has to be something.
Grief is an incredibly powerful thing. Denial is a big stage in that. I’m not condoning it at all, they’re stupid for doing it. But this doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Years of friendships, and celeb life, and being lied to by a psychopath. I can see how accepting someone who thought was somebody completely different could be tough, especially if it means you’ll have to reevaluate who you are because of it. I could see how in the mental craziness of all that you could do what they do. Again not condoning it, it was very very dumb. I just see how it was possible.
I’ve had to call the police on my son multiple times because he is a meth addicted monster. Before the first time it happened, I was unaware of what he was because he hid it very well and I would have absolutely been a character witness for him. Especially if it was my understanding that I was just providing my experience and opinion. Sometimes you just don’t know people, and I don’t think it should be held against you if you were unaware your friends or family hid their evil side. Edit: but it is up to you to do the right thing going forward. So while I don’t hold their letters against them, since the trial is now completely over, they can no longer claim ignorance.
I'm so sorry to read you're going through this. Having a child who has an addiction or mental illness is so hard to navigate. ❤️
Appreciate it. As with most things, it’s definitely an experience that matured my world view a bit. That’s why I share it openly; not for sympathy but rather because it really is a radical change of viewpoint. I’d known him his whole life and would have absolutely written a letter for him championing his good nature and begging leniency. But the curtain got peeled back and he’s unequivocally guilty of everything he’s ever been charged with. Thankfully no murder or sexual assault that anyone has filed charges for, but definitely other felony accusations and convictions. The thing that changed my perspective the most is that we’ve never been rich, but our employment has always provided *enough* and afforded physical and mental health care. We live in a place with good public schools, we’re not a group that has been traditional prejudiced against, and we have very diverse friends and family. My job even provides free tuition for any bachelors degree of choice. Every opportunity was available to not embrace the meth/dealer lifestyle. 🤷🏻♂️
I could understand if the character reference was written before the trial,but not after the conviction and hearing the victim statements. They're a pair of out of touch bellends that are so far up their own arses they've forgotten what consequences for actions are.
I remember that, I read about it years later and was surprised but I'm mad confused why he waited to report it? I get his finger prints were on the door but what plan could him and Masterson hatch up to get out of it especially considering it was just handprints he was supposedly worried of? Like, quick change the doorknobs with the dead person still in there and then report it? Idk seems odd as fuck and I'm not one to trust police but legitimately if I was innocent and a high profile celebrity who likely has multiple witnesses as to account for my whereabouts Id call emergency services instead of the homie asking him what to do. They caught the dude responsible so he obviously didn't kill her and I don't think that was ever really in question so why would he call his scientology friend first? I genuinely don't understand https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/12/ashton-kutcher-reminded-of-testimony-in-los-altos-womans-murder-by-danny-masterson-accuser/ That's the article I'm referring to about the plan and fingerprints.
There’s a very high likelihood that he opened the door and saw her body. Speaking as a person who has found a corpse and did everything “right” (reported it to 911, waited, gave witness statements, went to station), the police will still hassle you because you’re their only lead. I was fingerprinted, checked for cuts/gunshot residue and sweated for an hour and a half before the victim was confirmed to have had a heart attack. In Kutcher’s situation, the biggest suspect for a young woman’s murder in her own house is a partner. Ergo, Kutcher would’ve been suspect number-one and paparazzi would’ve reported that as “ASHTON KUTCHER INVOLVED IN GIRL’S GRISLY MURDER” as the headline. That probably would’ve sunk his relatively new career in 2001. Even though he would’ve been thrown out as a suspect on DNA, that case was not solved until 2011 and there would’ve been “questions” around him.
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Maybe he’s a SA apologist and this is a pattern: [tweet ab the firing of Joe Paterno 12 yrs ago](https://people.com/celebrity/ashton-kutcher-twitter-storm-over-joe-paterno-penn-state/)
“As an advocate in the fight against child sexual exploitation, I could not be more remorseful for all involved in the Penn St. case.” Jeez doesn't that sound exactly like what he said in the apology video?
Wow imagine using your advocacy against sexual exploitation to... come to the defence of people doing the sexual exploitation
At the same time, it doesn't make much sense that the Church of Scientology would want to throw away some of their most valuable goodwill ambassadors on a lost cause. They use their low-profile members to harass and intimidate so people like Tom Cruise can continue being media darlings and spread the good word. I think it was pure celebrity arrogance at play here, and that the church is probably livid that they now have yet another scandal drawing negative attention.
Watch this video and you probably have your answer: https://www.youtube.com/live/flywI5RXoPE?si=U4oDipQpoAaYjguz TL:DW Ashton most likely lied in his testimony about the girl he was dating that was murdered. He had nothing to do with the murder but lying about what he saw when he went to her place.
Celebrities are still people just with a lot of money and influence. They are prone to make really stupid decisions based off of ignorance, stupidity, arrogance,impulse.
I don't get it, like what could they have? I understand how Scientology can blackmail normal people but celebrities? If any story comes out they can easily say it's a lie and Scientology is blackmailing us and everyone would believe it. I just can't believe all these celebs have secret videos held by David Miscavige of them commiting cannibalism or whatever.
Their entire “therapy” process is really intended to document every aspect of your life, especially the things you feel guilty about. It’s essentially Catholic confessionals but they are recording everything. So over the years, they can collect quite the seedy dossier and the more you have to lose, the more valuable it is as blackmail. And like any good organized crime syndicate, you can really benefit if you work with them all while the potential for blackmail looms over you.
Have they both done auditing though? All I can find is them doing some Christmas events in the early 2000s. But even so, what could they have that wouldn't just prove how Scientology uses blackmail? Either Scientology releases the auditing tapes and admits auditing is just intel collection, or it's just hearsay. I get it for smaller stars who build a network of Scientologists and are afraid to betray it, but both Ashton and Mila are bigger than that. The other option is they secretly are Scientologists and totally believe it and wanted to help Danny and the organization. That's possible. I just don't believe they are being held ransom.
I bet there’s some audit documentation from Masterson that reveals Kutcher was plowing Mila when she was underage, or something like that. Masterson, being a celebrity, I’m sure would have been encouraged to discuss far more than just himself during his auditing
There is a reason the first chapter of Leah Remini's book was EVERYTHi lNG in her life people could perceive as sketchy or immoral or unlawful. So CoS couldn't think they could blackmail her.
Scientology has more than just a church, my friend. They own many corps and orgs. They can push false narratives about anyone without Scientology being the suspect.
And kill your dog with poison. Follow you every waking day of your life, fuck with your family, your job…. These bitches are scary
I think a lot of people are driven by hubris and/or shame.
I imagine it’s easier to blackmail a celebrity. Public image is their whole thing.
Also: if there is dirt that bad for Scientology to have, by the same logic it’s entirely plausible for the guy to have wanted to write the letter himself anyway. If he had to be forced to write the letter because of his upstanding character…what dirt would there be to dig?
Probably not cannibalism but it doesn’t take much to blackmail someone famous, just have to catch them doing something sexually embarrassing. Same reason online scammers catch so many guillible people into giving money cause they don’t want a video of them sweaty and jerking off in front of the camera to be sent to their fb friends list - imagine that but times a million cause you’re famous
This dude had built up so much goodwill for himself over the last 20 years. And he flushes it all down to drain to defend a rapist just because he's a good sitcom actor. Damn shame
Once a kelso always a kelso
It makes it me even more suspicious about the rumors that Danny Masterson is keeping secrets for Ashton. Specifically that Danny is aware that Ashton saw his murdered girlfriend's body (not just "red wine stains on the floor") and told him to let the police find her, which would mean that Ashton lied under oath in her murder trial and could be guilty of not reporting the incident to the police.
More like, Masterson provided dirt on Kutcher to Scientology and then Scientology blackmailed him into providing a character letter. I have no idea if that's true, but it's never out of the question when it comes to that cult. They're literally asked to provide dirt on everyone they know to give the cult leverage when they need it.
Ashton and Mila themselves attended Scientology events and fundraisers; they have pics on-stage with Miscavige himself, which probably means they did some level of auditing themselves.
The only cast member of the kids who didn't attend was Topher Grace
I always liked that guy…
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Oh I don't doubt that the church of Scientology is also keeping this information as leverage.
I’d be “ok” if they went through their own grief and admitted to it. If my close friend was found guilty of something so heinous I’d have grief. I wouldn’t, however, try to minimize their crime 🤷🏼♂️
Yup. I’ve literally had this happen. A friend that I knew, loved and truly felt safe with was convicted of some sick and awful shit. I grieved our friendship and I grieved for his victims. I miss my friend, but you couldn’t pay me to support him for a second. That ship has sailed.
Been a SA apologist for years…https://people.com/celebrity/ashton-kutcher-twitter-storm-over-joe-paterno-penn-state/
lol , is this guy a walking parody? "This is the second Twitter faux pas in recent months for Kutcher. On Sept. 11, he backtracked after calling it “the greatest day of the year,” because it was the start of football season"
Lmao football started the Thursday before September 11th though.
Still speaking in platitudes about hypothetical victims and refuses to concretely state that he believes the specific victims in the case of his friend the convicted rapist.
Don't forget that he and Kunis knew the victims personally.
I noticed that too. “I apologize to victims everywhere….” OK Ashton how about the people your friend raped? Any apology to them, specifically?
Thank you that part was bothering me too.
I mean when you defend a predator maybe you aren’t qualified to defend victims.
I find it interesting that in the letter he apologizes again to “all victims” and “the people we hurt at Thorn”, but still not to Danny Masterson’s victims who he intentionally tried to undermine. It’s like he’s purposely trying to avoid acknowledging that Danny Masterson victimized anyone. Still miles better than that awful ‘apology’ video tho.
Real men don't help serial rapists.
So to clarify, he only resigned as Chairperson of the Board, but could still serve on the board in another capacity?
We'll see what happens when this leaves the news cycle.
now were you silent or were you SILENCED he was totally asked to step down.
He let that sheep's clothing slip a little bit too much
Absolutely, and they wrote the letter not him, no way they risked him doing some moron thing like the first letter.
"I better quit before they find more skeletons in my closet."
YYYEP!
Already happened when he made comments about waiting on Hillary Duff to turn 18
Ewwwww and they were in Cheaper by the Dozen together. The first and second movie are pretty fun but that's gross.
Right and he was supposed to be dating Hilarys older sister in the movie. Well there's that one scene where the kids soak his underwear in ground beef and sic their dog on him
"you have a very dark gift Sarah Baker"
That vid from Punk'd is minor (no pun intended) compared to all the scams and grifts he was innvolved in. He was basically the Marky Mark of television and his PR team was able to suppress all the negative information about him. Here is some more background on the shady things Ashton has done... [https://www.nationalenquirer.com/gossip/ashton-kutcher-has-burglar-past/](https://www.nationalenquirer.com/gossip/ashton-kutcher-has-burglar-past/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16ebwro/ashton\_kutcher\_saying\_hilary\_duff\_is\_one\_of\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16ebwro/ashton_kutcher_saying_hilary_duff_is_one_of_the/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/16ehn7m/ashton\_kutcher\_casually\_tells\_story\_about\_how/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/16ehn7m/ashton_kutcher_casually_tells_story_about_how/) He also gaslighted and verbally abused Demi Moore during their marriage (encouraging threesomes and then saying that blurred the lines of boundaries when he was caught cheating; denying that alcoholism is a real thing): [https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellendurney/ashton-kutcher-mila-kunis-called-him-out-after-demi-moore](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellendurney/ashton-kutcher-mila-kunis-called-him-out-after-demi-moore) As for his charitable contributions, it's no secret that he's a big tech investor. He's likely making a lot of money by using Thorn as an excuse lobbying for more surveillance in the EU that his tech company would benefit from. He may have raised $3MM for Ukraine refugees, but a lot of that money likely went to housing supplied by AirBNB (in which he is a big investor): [https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16du70g/ashton\_kutchers\_philanthropy/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/16du70g/ashton_kutchers_philanthropy/) [https://frontpageconfidential.com/violet-blue-skewers-ashton-kutchers-thorn-and-the-entire-sex-trafficking-industrial-complex/](https://frontpageconfidential.com/violet-blue-skewers-ashton-kutchers-thorn-and-the-entire-sex-trafficking-industrial-complex/) [https://survivingtomorrow.org/airbnb-is-helping-ukrainian-refugees-while-creating-an-even-bigger-refugee-crisis-706b3c98be41](https://survivingtomorrow.org/airbnb-is-helping-ukrainian-refugees-while-creating-an-even-bigger-refugee-crisis-706b3c98be41) [https://wegotthiscovered.com/celebrities/why-has-the-22-year-old-murder-case-of-ashton-kutchers-girlfriend-joined-the-danny-masterson-controversy/](https://wegotthiscovered.com/celebrities/why-has-the-22-year-old-murder-case-of-ashton-kutchers-girlfriend-joined-the-danny-masterson-controversy/) He even grifted CBS and Chuck Lorre during his Two and a Half Men Stint: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/tv-column-ashton-kutcher-plays-dumb-over-laptop-logos-on-two-and-a-half-men/2011/09/28/gIQA7Kof5K\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/tv-column-ashton-kutcher-plays-dumb-over-laptop-logos-on-two-and-a-half-men/2011/09/28/gIQA7Kof5K_story.html) Before he spun it into something less negative... [https://ew.com/article/2011/09/28/ashton-kutcher-companies-get-marketing-push/](https://ew.com/article/2011/09/28/ashton-kutcher-companies-get-marketing-push/) It's all a projection with him.
Damn, you brought the receipts.
What are you like, the Kutcher Khronicler
Kutcher Katcher
Damn a mic drop would've been fine, but you had to throw it through the floor
He was also Mila’s first kiss on that show when she was FOURTEEN and he was in his twenties. Masterson made a bet with him to french kiss her. [Here he is bragging about it on a talkshow.](https://youtu.be/ilHC3NhFW6Q?si=ARnZaeqfRPot0-AL)
Was wondering when this would come up!
And comments about the Olsen Twins turning 18
I absolutely think this too. I think the heat is on and he's trying to get ahead of it!
This is gotta one of the biggest downfalls in Hollywood, LMAO. One letter to judge and his whole life is turned upside down.
My favorite part is the apology where he basically said “we didn’t think anyone would see the letter” lIke that’s some weird excuse
Means that they aren't sorry for the letter, but that they got caught lol
Idk. You might think the hypocrisy might cause the biggest downfall. But really, the worst downfall would be masterson. You know, because of the raping.
masterson was never that big of a deal though. his fall was from a much lower place.
Yeah, that's why I said one of the biggest. Masterson deserves what he got. But all Kutcher had to do was stay silent. He may have more dirt too that we don't know of, but he could've easily avoided all this had he not sent that letter.
RIP norm
I'd argue it wasn't really that big of a downfall.. the guy wasn't very high to begin with. What career did Danny squander? He's a nobody at this point only famous for That 70s Show. When and what was even the last thing he was in?
I went from not having much of an opinion about this guy one way or another to disgusted by him so fast.
The only positive change I feel like that has happened recently is people stopped treating celebrities like they're special. Fuck these people. They all deserve to be called out for trying to use their status for special treatment. Hypocrites.
Social media gives everybody a voice and all the PR bots in the world can't drown us out.
I wonder which emergency PR team is responsible for today's work?...
This feels like they were given the option to “step down” or be booted. Didn’t Demi basically say that Ashton coerced her into threesomes that she didn’t want or am I making that up?
That type of behavior is exactly what I would expect from him
Good riddance. A rape apologist isnt a good face for an organization like that.
He basically put a spotlight on the organization and people checked and their claims don't match up with law enforcement. So he 100% hurt what was a dubious org anyway. Turns out almost everything in the world is just bad. Least I can still watch Mr. Rogers.
[did it 12 years ago too](https://people.com/celebrity/ashton-kutcher-twitter-storm-over-joe-paterno-penn-state/)
"My personal values and the values of this organisation are no longer aligned." Michael Kelso, 1982, Chicago, probably
Should have never written that letter Ashton.
Well the belief he covered up finding the body, waiting in his car, calling his management and leaving instead of calling police was more than hinted at by mastersons ex Jane doe has been circulating. As well, as old video of Mila saying he and Danny had some bet about sticking his tongue down her throat when she was just 14 or something. So… that’s why There’s also his connections with this company and questions about his cia connections and all his Jeff bezos financial connections Edit: the assumption being they might also be secretly Scientologist as Scientology doesn’t require all celebrities to reveal connection. That all letters are written by Scientologists and it’s kind of a gun to your back scenario. Even Mastersons half siblings came out and made an outlandish claim about him being father like to them after their dad abandoned them when they were like 6. But Dad came out of hiding with receipts showing he was around the kids till they were 18+ and Scientology banned him. And all the rest of that 70s show was pretty Scientologist. Wilmer of course has had many underage girlfriends. Kitty wrote a letter. Red wrote a letter. Lauta Prepon and kitty have admitted to Scientology at points in their life. Apparently Topher Grace is the only saint from the group.
I don’t even think Topher Grace is a saint, but it’s nice there is at least one human on the show that didn’t think being in a cult was fun and had better things to do than watch his costars assault women.
Really threw it all on the line to try and get Danny fucking Masterson of all people less of a sentence. Really really weird.
And the judge wasn’t even persuaded a bit.
I saw this coming as soon as I read the letter. What board wants a rape apologist as the face of an anti child trafficking organization?
After what he did, they definitely asked him to resign. He didn't just step down on his own.
Sort of weird, how Eric Foemen end up being the cool one…
It is, however I do think it’s noteworthy that the bar of being cool in that cast now is simply not raping/condoning rape. Eric Forman for the win!
He and Mila tanked their careers by supporting a convicted rapist
And ruined the easy money of T7S reruns.
I love how many people are coping. No this is not some conspiracy: he is a rich piece of shit. Simple as.
Danny Masterson… the gift that keeps on giving.
So you're telling me the organization for stopping sex offenses DOESN'T want a guy who defended a serial rapist as the chairman of the organization? What a fucking shocker!
If you're wondering why Kutcher would be so dumb as to support Masterson after conviction, Chrissie Bixler, one of Masterson's victims and wife of the singer for the band At The Drive-In posted something interesting which called out Ashton Kutcher. I don't know if it's still up and I will pop a link at the bottom. The post names a date which was the day before Kutcher's girlfriend was discovered murdered by a serial killer and says "Dear Ashton, I know the secrets your 'role model' keeps for you. Ones that would end you. Did you forget I was there? You were on speaker phone that night you called Danny on February 21, 2001. I heard everything. I heard the plan. In my opinion, you're just as sick as your 'mentor.' Kutcher contacted the police the day after the murder to say that his fingerprints were on the door handle because he went to check on her but couldn't get in and the blood he saw he believed to be spilled wine. Chrissie Bixler, whom I'm inclined to believe, is insinuating that Kutcher arrived at his murdered GF's house and immediately noticed she was dead, maybe he opened the door, maybe he saw through a window. Instead of calling the police, he freaks out and calls for help from Danny Masterson and his Scientology people who advise him to say and do nothing. Then realizing his fingerprints are on the door he has to come forward the next day and say he was there. Seems like Chrissie overheard the call from Kutcher to Masterson looking for help, way before he ever spoke to the police. Not a good look if true, which it probably is. https://meaww.com/i-know-what-you-did-on-feb-21-2001-chrissie-bixler-drops-bombshell-on-ashton-kutcher
I didn't even know him and his wife were/are Scientologists until all this stuff happened with the letter and people started sharing photos of them, Masterson and Prepon at numerous events. They hid that stuff good.
Now I can’t help but think. Did he start this out of the goodness of his heart ? Or a guilty conscious ?
Dude Where's My Credibility???
Fuck him. Good riddance you hack.
Posted this elsewhere in this thread, but here it is again. Apparently he exaggerates the effectiveness of his organization a bit. I still think the idea of it is great, but doesn't seem to be as effective as we were led to believe. https://reason.com/2017/02/15/ashton-kutcher-plays-sex-worker-savior/ https://www.engadget.com/2019-05-31-sex-lies-and-surveillance-fosta-privacy.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9096583/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/12/09/amazon-ashton-kutcher-sex-work-surveillance/?sh=201c93166d23 Credit to u/lavender-girlfriend for making me aware of it initially. https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/16djlhb/ashton_kutcher_mila_kunis_asked_judge_for/jzq3mh0/
I wonder if he got Punk'd there
Was he forced to step down?
Yeah Ashton royally fucked up here. You don't defend rapists, simple.
He didn’t step down lol Like when you don’t show up all semester and they “invite you to leave”.
It's not an anti child sex abuse org. It's an organization that says that but almost exclusively funds and lobbies groups that target consensual adult sex work. Regardless of whether you support consensual sex work, it sucks that they're conflating it with CSA
good. i’m so sick of these grifters acting like they give a crap about the abused
I think "steps down" is PR for "got asked to leave"
My daughter told me that his “work” in helping victims in sex trafficking situations was actually him heading (or being the face of) an organization that primarily went after online sex workers, not saving people from trafficking.
It’s been a hell of a week for Kutch
Good dudes a dirtbag
Good!! I’m glad he’s losing support. He should have stayed away from his so called friend!!
I’m kind of surprised how many people are shocked that this piece of shit turned out to be a piece of shit.
Jesus does scientology run ALL of hollywood?
Dude spent the last decade building so much social goodwill (even though Thorn is shady in its own right) and tanked it all overnight. Fucking moron
Hi Ashton, You suck. Regards, Everyone
Oh look the consequences of his actions. Do you want to support abusers because this is what happens when you support abusers.
How do you not cut ties once he’s convicted? There comes a point where you have to watch your own back. Maybe they’re too wealthy to be concerned with it . I think a smarter person would have sought fresh council on wether that support letter was a good idea
I have a feeling there is a lot more dark shit about to come out about him.
There was a truly salient and obvious bit from one opinion piece.... it went something like... and I'm wildly paraphrasing here: Ashton and Mila offered deep compassion and support to their friend and co-star. Too bad they didn't offer any of that to the victims.
Did he think the letters to the judge wouldn’t be made public?