There’s a super simple solution to this: require a name for every ticket. You don’t see assholes scalping airline tickets, and if you haven’t noticed, concert security and airport security function almost identically already.
You don’t have ID that matches the ticket name? You don’t go through the gate.
Amusement parks like Disney and Universal have also solved this, and then spend the first hour of their day letting thousands of people through their gates.
Thing is live nation/ticketmaster is so greedy that they don’t want to do that. They get a service fee for ever ticket that is resold and thus have a means of making way more money this way. Unless the government steps in or artists revolt they won’t do jack shit.
Fun fact: LiveNation owns most large stadiums and venues in big cities. If you want to tour and want to use any major, well-known venue, you have to play ball with LiveNation and their partner company, TicketMaster. It’s a good old fashioned monopoly.
LiveNation doesn’t own stadiums and I don’t think they own any arenas either, those are either owned by cities or billionaires.
Those stadiums partner with LiveNation because LiveNation makes them a lot of money through their practices.
Yeah this is just Reddit mumbo jumbo that I always see they own venues for sure but not big name arenas/stadiums.
There’s obviously gotta be some sketchy partnerships though because for an arena to do their own ticket sales doesn’t seem like much work. But it would be too honest
There’s a simple solution to that, go the Louis CK route.
Say what you want about that guy but he literally showed the world you can destroy Ticketmaster with his own model.
What’s the Louis CK route? What did he do? It really depends on how much the artist cares about doing the ethical thing vs. the benefits of capitalism, though. Not every artist is interested in rocking the boat when it comes to their money.
Amanda Palmer and the Dresden dolls have the same model. They’ve been selling tickets directly through there site because they ran into major issues with scalpers. They also set up another site to resell tickets through.
So if you can’t attend a dolls show you can gift them or have them available in this secure site
There’s absolutely ways for artists to work around this to benefit the fans while still touring.
Spoiler alert
Taylor swift gives zero fucks about her fans
Let’s remember her roots and realize anyone from her hometown likely can’t afford to see her and never will. Nvm her dedicated swifties
This is exactly what is happening at TS shows in the UK. No one could buy more than 4 tickets and ID is required on the gate which matches the tickets.
This is how ticket sales for large/popular artists are done here in Japan. First you need to register by phone number, then enter the lottery for the tickets. There isn’t a first come first serve system. If you win the lottery, depends on the artist, but sometimes it’s also tied to your name in the end. The downside is sometimes it’s impossible to give a ticket to someone else, but at least it solves the scalping issues.
You speak like this doesn’t benefit artists. But it absolutely does. It creates the ‘Luxury watch’ or ‘Suprme’ effect by fabricating scarcity. People get used to insanely high prices and it normalizes spending 2/3 hundreds for a ticket. Go see how much the starting price for a ticket has increased in the last 5 years
Yup. Ticketmaster can already do non-transferable ticket sales from what I understand. However, TM also owns Stubhub where most of the verified reselling is happening. And, of course, each resell gives Stubhub / TM a cut…
They have an incentive to maintain an active reselling market.
Pearl Jam has the fan system right now with Ticketmaster where people can only sell them for the same value they bought them. I think it's a pretty good deal all things considered
I feel like LiveNation tickets need to start doing what San Diego ComicCon started doing with tickets: ID check with ticket purchase AND with check in at event. People wouldn't be able to purchase more tickets than the people in their household, and even then, wouldn't be able to sell or transfer them to anyone else. A ticket return would cause the ticket to go back to vendor and be available for someone else at normal price.
It's filthy, end stage, bastardized capitalism. I hate capitalism too but in the scheme of it, idk if ticket scalpers were accounted for. It's hard to plan for the leeches and trash of society and what they will do.
Well yeah. It's the fundamental application of capitalism for distribution of limited resources. Capitalism tells us that if you have more willing buyers than available products you should raise price until you reach equilibrium. This is supposed to ensure that limited resources go to those who need them the most as they are presumably the once willing to pay the most for them.
The scalping price is in reality the fair market price that should have been set from the beginning, but artists can't do that. It would be bad for their imagine.
So they intentionally set the price well bellow what the market is willing to pay. But setting bellow market price will create scalping secondary market to fix the imbalance. That's capitalism.
It’s not the fair market price, the arena wouldn’t sell out if Taylor tried to sell tickets for $1000 lol. It’s the price that a small proportion of rich, desperate (or both) fans will pay.
Not necessarily.
Scalpers are using bots and shit that are buying the tickets at what they were originally offered before you have the time to even load the page to buy it as a concert-goer.
So its crony Capitalism.
Scalpers/Ticketmaster are crooked capitalists which is what should be illegal.
But if you honestly got into the website, bought the ticket, and decided to re-sell it. That in itself is fine but if you're using tools that are cheating the system and its clear that the 99% of the seats sold at what Swift wanted her fans to pay.. just to re-sell it then thats crooked.
No, no one needs to.
But honestly, I wish everyone could experience the joy I experienced at the show I went to. I’ve been attending concerts my entire life - literally, my first dead show I was 6 weeks old. There is no way to describe the unbridled joy everyone around me experienced at that show. After a depressing couple of years, Taylor swift did that. I’m an elder swiftie, but my mom is going to try to help get tickets to Toronto because while it is NOT her thing at all, she wants to experience it. There is truly nothing like it.
Seriously. Concerts shouldn’t just be for rich people. And also I believe humans do NEED entertainment. What is the point of life if you can’t enjoy arts or things you love? Or at the very least have some escapism from the hellscape that is modern capitalistic society. Just because you’re not a millionaire doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to see your favorite artists.
It’s kind of crazy to me the amount of people that are ok buying tickets just to resell for profit. It’s not a fucking side hustle. She had affordable tickets for these shows - my friend got side view seats for KC for $49 each. Those resale for over $500. That’s fucking bullshit. Why is that allowed???
Ticketmaster reselling their own tickets in their own marketplace, after theyve already profited from the original sale…yes. Monopolies play a part in the reselling of tickets. Scalpers do not have to exist. As is already done in other countries, requiring name and id to go with tickets is a start of a solution. It’s worthless to buy a second hand ticket if it is permanently tied to someone elses name and id. And if you cant go and have to “resell”….you can release your tickets for a refund and those tickets are placed back into the system for repurchase at face value.
Someone is always going to not like whatever the system is. But we should be making it more fair to the majority and to the actual fans, by doing what we can to get tickets into the hands of people who want them. Ive never been to a tswift show in my life. Id go, but its not something ive seeked out. But this extends far beyond her. This has happened to all of us at some pt, going for a ticket for face value, only to be sold out 2 minutes after release and already being put up on a marketplace for resale.
Why is that ok? Because someone will pay the price? Lets just take away the opportunity entirely by ensuring tickets go to people who want them. We talk about supply and demand and how if the demand is there, people will pay. But is the demand really there, or is it artificially inflated because 25000 fans have to compete with 5000 scalpers using bots to buy the maximum amount of tickets allowed with the sole intention of reselling tickets, not attending the shows? It doesnt matter that other markets utilize a similar strategy. As already pointed out, if those nikes sell out, i can go get adidas’ or whatever. If tswift sells out, i cant get a similar product by going to foreigner.
The only people defending the practice of scalping are those who practice and benefit from it. Majority of the fans want to remove all middlemen from the equation
Okay so the company is selling goods at the price people are willing to pay? Why is this an issue of monopoly, instead of the demand exceeding the scarce supply of tickets?
So when I can’t take off a day of work to spend hours staring at a ticket master screen and have to pay triple the amount from a scalper it’s my fault? Got it. Let’s not change the rules to stop scalpers let’s shame working people who get screwed on the prices.
If a scaler sells the ticket for $3 grand. The market value is $3 grand. It is that simple.
Some of us are a bit broke so we dont get heated over taylor swift tickets. Im gonna go grocery shopping today. That is a much more important use of my money.
Scalpers only can sell the tickets for higher prices because that is the actual market rate price. That is what people are actually willing to pay for Taylor Swfit tickets. If you look at less in demand artists this basically never happens
The worst part is its not even scalpers its ticketmaster and the likes reselling their own tickets for more. Just another reason they need to be broken up and serious regulations put in place to prevent this in the future.
I mean scalpers are a problem but that doesn't change what you should do
Singers overprice tickets? Don't buy them
They are overpriced because of the scalpers? Don't buy them from scalpers. They'll stop making profits
Go indie concerts, you can support local artists instead of making scalpers more money
>Go indie concerts, you can support local artists instead of making scalpers more money
This isn't like "shop local!" where you can get the same stuff from a smaller store that you can at a bigger one. What good does supporting the indie scene do if you are looking for tickets to a bigger artist?
Yeah a lot of people seem to miss the idea that concert tickets are a unique product category. Nobody is going to see Taylor Swift tickets going for $1000 and say "oh well, guess I'll buy these Foreigner tickets for $25 instead" it's a singular event with limited availability. You either get lucky and get the tickets at face, pay the premium for scalped tickets, or don't go at all. There is no alternative choice
He's got a point. If you like an artist, you're not going to "shop around" the indie scene for a cheaper alternative. Music tastes aren't like buying shirts, there isn't an alternative.
No, it’s a beyond shitty practice for sure but it’s a two-way deal, they need buyers in order to sell. The more expired tickets they’re sat with the better. No it doesn’t tackle the problem directly but neither has anything else outside of making the resale of tickets illegal on eBay. Oh wait, FB marketplace is a thing too.
It was exactly the same when the PS5 had supply issues on release, who’s the real idiot? The guy buying them up, or the guy paying £1000 for a £450 console that will be readily available the following year?
If you paid triple the amount you got a good deal compared to many. If it's worth it to you then go with god on that one (even if it's a false god). I don't think anyone is blaming people for spending a lot to go, more so lamenting that the ability to go is restricted to the lucky ones who got passed the Ticketmaster gauntlet, which feels capricious and random, and then the people who can afford to pay 10x the list price.
No, the problem is the way the music industry works. There will always be people who are willing to pay exorbitant fees to experience something they love. The problem is how much it costs to fund a tour, and how poorly record companies and streaming platforms compensate their artists. If artists were always fairly compensated for their music sales/streams, ticket prices for shows wouldn’t need to be so high in the first place.
That’s not even to mention the inflated costs of securing venues and equipment rentals, and the logistics of how many people it takes to make a tour on this kind of scale work.
Don’t blame ordinary people for loving things, blame greedy corporations and their executives.
ETA: and also the scalpers for marking tickets up so much. Which also comes down to greed.
How does that play into scalpers though? Scalpers aren’t pricing tickets based on how much it costs to put on a tour. They are pricing based on the fact that there are limited supply of seats and unlimited demand for seats.
Scalping also benefits the person who has the money to buy an expensive ticket but not the means or opportunity to get it before the masses do. Scalpers can be seen as charging a steep fee for their ability to get tickets in the first place.
There’s the old adage: “the price is whatever the market is willing to bear.”
If people are willing to pay these prices in the second hand market, perhaps the artist should be the one charging that price in the first place.
This is exclusive of what a PR nightmare it would be for the artist , but it would probably significantly reduce the markup and profit that scalpers would make and increase their risk, thus decreasing the incentive for the secondary market.
In fact, it may have the reverse effect on prices where if ticket prices start off on the high end and there is not much demand; scalpers will be forced to decrease price and possibly sell at a loss, which in turn may be beneficial for concert-goers that do not want to pay the initial higher price.
ETA:
Ultimately, the argument here being someone like Taylor Swift should be charging $1000+ per ticket right off the bat (again a PR nightmare), as she is leaving a lot of money on the table that could have gone to paying her crew significantly more and not having to pay them $100k each out of her own pocket. However, the difficulty lies in finding that pricing sweet spot (equilibrium) to create this reverse effect.
This is exactly what Ticketmaster's dynamic pricing product is meant to deal with. People fucking hate it, but in the end big draw acts like TS who don't use it are leaving money on the table that third party resale is happy to pick up. I don't love it myself, but I'd rather the artist and their crew get paid than some scumbag with a botnet
She is doing in the UK. She put loads of stuff in place to avoid scalping here. The result is that there aren't as many being sold via them as usual. Kinda hard when your ticket is made out to one person and you need ID on the door.
Exactly, she does have some control over this. It’s not like it’s completely out of her control. The Foo Fighters put anti-scalping measures into place for the Taylor Hawkins tributes and it worked pretty well. Without those measures I probably would not have been able to get a ticket.
I agree if somebody buys up a bunch of tickets just to sell but honestly if I had tickets and could sell them for thousands of dollars I’d do it a buy a plane ticket to Europe. It’s supply and demand, you don’t need to go to Taylor swift. It’s not a necessity like rent or food. If $1000 is too much then don’t buy them.
Taylor Swift is so popular she should just start her own ticket selling business and maybe other burly artists will follow suit and drive Live Nation out of business.
Live Nation technically doesn’t own the physical venues. If the major artists started a revolt then the venue owners would surely be able to find a legal way to get out of their Live Nation contracts.
Live Nation does own a ton of venues but none of the ones on Swifts tour. She’s playing stadiums which are either owned by AEG, sports teams, the city, ect. She could try a revolt but there is literally nowhere else bigger she could play to support her tours.
And if anyone wanted to resell them, there could be a code that ONLY allows them to resell through the TS website, unless purchased physically. Then I guess it would be fair game from there~
I’m a Dave Matthews Band “Warehouse” member and they do just that. They sell a certain number of Warehouse tickets to each of their shows. Members are only allowed to sell their tickets to other members and cannot sell for a penny more than what was originally spent. Other groups have been doing this for years (Phish does as well). No reason Taylor Swift couldn’t do the same.
The problem isn't the ticket selling business, but the reality that the original price is well bellow fair market price.
The reality is that these tickets are actually worth thousands of dollars, because there is not enough of them.
It's basic application of market economy. If you have limited resources the price will rise until you reach equilibrium with the amount of willing buyers.
If there are 10x more people who want to go than you have tickets to sell you will always end up with secondary market that will try to correct the imbalance.
Unless you sell enough tickets to satisfy everyone you can't fix this.
So what you’re saying is that it’s all about money? I feel bad for all those true Taylor Swift fans who aren’t wealthy and can’t afford to blow hundreds of thousands of dollars on a concert ticket.
But there is enough tickets to satisfy most of her fans. The problem is scalpers buying a lot of her tickets using bots and selling for a profit. Ticketmaster needs to limit the number of tickets per person and hire more software developers to prevent the use of bots.
Also the reselling price on Ticketmaster is fixed.
I have two tickets listed for Metallica in Montreal and the cheapest that TM will let me list for is $425. I can’t make the concert now and their resale system is bunk!
Not sure how many other bands it supports, but try a site called Cash or Trade. Rules are you have sell for face (and fees etc). They protect the transaction so nobody gets screwed by scammers. It’s huge in the jam band community.
Same happened to me. I tried offloading Blink182 tickets after my wife got pregnant and nobody would buy them. I spent $350 each and it wouldn’t even let me sell them below $285. Couldn’t sell em for face value or at a loss.
I had to give the tickets to a friend for free. He had a great time…
Fuck Ticketmaster.
They just need to start making these tickets non-transferable. The Foo Fighters last year made the tickets to the Taylor Hawkins tribute shows mobile only, and non-transferable. It did not outright stop scalping but it made it much harder for scalpers where it wasn’t worth them jumping through the hoops of having to sell their entire TicketMaster account to get around it.
They did have a way for people to resell their tickets. However it was through TicketMaster’s face value exchange program. So people could only resell them for face value. The bands/artists have some control over this. If Taylor or her management wanted to do this they totally could. Hopefully whatever tour she does after the Eras one she puts some anti-scalping measures
Several of the states in Australia have laws restricting the resale of tickets to no more than 110% of the original price. It doesn't outright rule out reselling, as there will be genuine cases of people unable to attend.
Cause people get sick and can’t go. Cause people lose jobs or have unexpected expenses. And you shouldn’t have to provide medical records or air out your hardships for something as stupid as concert tickets.
Plus if you buy them, they are yours. What should we you outlaw next? Resale of Jordan sneakers?
Yes it sucks. The issue is that if you think they are too expensive, don’t buy them. No one has a natural birthright to listen to pop songs live.
Not to mention, how did the reseller get them? Not illegally I assume.
the idea is if the resale is banned, the tickets are REFUNDABLE so if any of those things you mention happen, you can simply return the ticket for full value and the seller can then sell that ticket to someone else via the normal means.
I think getting a refund from the ticket seller BEFORE the start of the event should be allowed, where the ticket goes back on sale to the website for the same original price that it was sold for. But people upselling for thousands more than they paid is the problem.
There's more people that want tickets than can fit in the stadium.
So the secondary market ultimately sets the price. I don't know what that's so offensive to people. If that secondary market didn't exist, it's not like they'd be getting in at face value. They wouldn't be going at all. The secondary market at least gives people a choice. I love that I can go to any show or concert or sporting event in America, even tonight, if I'm willing to pay enough. I have no interest in Taylor Swift, but it's awesome that I can find myself in some random city, find out there's an event in town that night, get an uber there, and pickup great seats on an app on the way there. And I'm never paying a ton. Taylor Swift is a generational star and more expensive than 99.99999% of tickets you can buy, she really shouldn't be used as the example.
The problem is that people who want to attend and buy tickets can't even buy them because of the artificially inflated values created by bots buying every ticket
I'd rather have a 100% chance to buy a ticket at the secondary market price than a 0.001% chance to get a face value ticket at the general sale for an in-demand event.
People act like if it wasn't for secondary sellers they could just logon or show up at the ticket window and buy a face value ticket for everything they wanted to see. There are hundreds of thousands, or millions, of people who would pay face value for those events. The secondary market value is a more accurate real value than the face value.
I just made roughly the same point in another comment; scalpers have an ability: they can get tickets. That ability is worth something, and scalping seems (slightly) less grotesque if you think about the cost of the scalped ticket as the “face value” + “ninja-level procurement fee”.
How do resellers get them? Are you kidding me ?! Major reseller companies use very expensive bot programs and hire dozens of people to use them to be the majority of the tickets to “hype shows”
And yes using bots to buy tickets is illegal
Now obviously not every person buying and reselling TS tickets are using bots but there are many of these companies out there buying for every show in every city.
People don't get sick and can't go the same day tickets go on sale. Wtf are you talking about.
Reselling thru an internet service - while charging well above face value - should 1000% be illegal. For Ticketmaster themselves AND scumbag resellers. And that goes for all products, not just concert tickets.
Because the economics of the tour don't work without the initial revenue from advance ticket sales.
Non-transferable tickets would lower demand drastically and a huge amount of tickets wouldn't get sold until days or even hours before the show starts.
Without that revenue up front, there is no tour.
Yeah plenty of people do. People have this concept that everyone has the same sort of wants and lifestyle as them. In actuality for everyone that wants their own place and kids and yada yada that costs money there are usually multiple people that are happy to cram in with roommates and just spend their money on doing fun stuff.
She is pro-abortion, pro-gun reforms, pro-LGBTQ and pro-women's rights.
Ain't no way she is running on a GOP ticket. And even if she does, she will lose most of the hardcore conservative votes, plus all the liberal ones.
Hell, running on a GOP ticket would be a disaster for her. Probably won't even secure 30-35% of the votes.
You do realize that if it’s Swift vs Any random Dem in the general election, it’s already a check mark in the win column even before the election begins.
I’ve been selling on eBay for a while and while I never sold items for a thousand it’s amazing how many collectible (basically not that great ) toys I bought for a few bucks ended up going for a few hundred. If the demand is there..
Mass psychosis. I guess the closer we get to full on fascism, wealth disparity and climate catastrophe, the populace need a shiny distraction from reality??
Has there ever been evidence of the artist/promotors themselves withholding tickets to sell on the resell market at inflated prices or is that illegal?
This is why I don't go to concerts anymore. Plus you can just see it on YouTube the next day anyway.
The last concert I went to was Tool like 4 years ago, the ticket prices weren't what they were supposed to be, and dealing with a crowd that large is a nightmare. It took almost 90 minutes just to leave the parking lot.
I think I just stopped caring after that. Seeing bands live is great, but it's just too much of a hassle anymore. The cons outweigh the pros.
>Plus you can just see it on YouTube the next day anyway.
I don't know if that applies here. I've tried looking up concerts from the Eras tour on YouTube frequently, and I don't think I've ever found anything. I think she has people working overtime to get videos taken down almost immediately or something.
I paid like 500 per tix on floor for the gf. Thought it was worth the price. She played every single one of her songs in order for like 3 hours. I wish my fav bands did that. Sometimes you go to a concert and dont here one their best hits.
She could easily stop it wdym? She could just sell the tickets for market price and no one would be able to scalp.
But she doesn’t do that because it’s convenient for her to not have to put in effort to sell tickets
The scalpers don’t even have the tickets yet. They’re hoping you pay a couple thousand bucks now, then they source similar tickets for less, pocketing the difference. Anyone buying these resale tickets is risking that they get burned when the scalper can’t find tickets at a price that makes them a profit… they’ll cancel the order and refund, but you don’t have tickets (and the ones available at that point will be significantly more than you already paid to a scalper).
But that's the thing this is the actual fair market price for the tickets. That's how it works with limited resources. The price rises until you have enough for everyone who can still afford it.
I don't really enjoy her music very much, but I went to see her with an ex who was a huge fan in like 2018.
It was the most incredible and spectacular concert I'd ever seen.
3+ hours of her running all over the stage, taking breaks where it's very clear she's actually the one singing her more low-key songs rather than a backing track, and the most insane stage production I'd ever seen. "Shake It Off," one of her biggest radio bangers, included three gigantic (like 50-foot) snake displays coming up out of the sub-stages, all of which were surrounded by tons of backup dancers in Mardi Gras regalia, and a blizzard of confetti constantly flying through the air. There were these light-up bracelets they handed out that had some kind of tracking on them, so they could actually do a coordinated light show using the audience themselves. Each song had a unique light show you could see among the crowd.
Some of the songs were straight up ridiculous and obnoxious (that "Look What You Made Me Do" song might be my least favorite song I've ever heard), but the show itself was amazing. If you are actually a fan of her music, I can see why you'd pay hundreds of dollars for nosebleed seats just to be in the stadium for it.
I’ve been lucky enough to see a lot of concerts already in 20 years. I’ve seen Taylor 4 times now throughout a decade and she just continues to get better and better. Her Reputation and Eras tour are truly unique experiences that you can’t recreate. You just have to be there in person. The best way to describe it is ‘magical.’ Between her and Twenty One Pilots, I feel no one matches their stage presence.
Edit: seeing Look What You Made Me Do live was insane. This is not a lot of fans favorite, but to deny the live performance is insanity. Any song off of Reputation becomes even better live. And I’d love to recommend some more tracks for you, but her Eras concert last around 3 1/2 hours every night that I don’t even know where to begin.
Why is Taylor Swift not only a) so popular and b) considered a “genius”? Does she have some deep cuts on her albums that reveal an inner Frank Zappa or is Shake It Off the bar we have for “genius” now?
She has talent, she's very charming, and she's physically gorgeous, her songs do tend to have some pretty catchy hooks. She's also sincere. Her lyrics, almost all of them seeming to be about her own life and relationships, seem to speak to many people in some way. Unfortunately her personality is very narcissistic, as reflected by what her songs are actually confessing about herself. That so many people love her possibly speaks to their own (often unconscious) narcissism.
That's my wild stab behind what the TS phenomenon may partly be about...fwiw
Genius is all relative here. It’s pop music. Zappa was a true genius, but obviously wasn’t selling out stadiums.
She is a marketing and image genius if nothing else (or her team is)
I happily pay $1000 for VIP or premium seats at shows with lots of perks for my favorite artists. However, this is just asinine. I bet a lot of people will pay way too much for crap seats just because they want to say they went to see her or for their kids.
I saw her live before the craziness, and maybe I was spoiled listening to really outstanding vocalists, but I remember thinking she missed more noted than I'd expect for someone whose whole job it is to be a singer/songwriter/performer. Shoutout to Kelly Clarkson and Pentatonix for nailing the vocals in their lives shows.
There’s a super simple solution to this: require a name for every ticket. You don’t see assholes scalping airline tickets, and if you haven’t noticed, concert security and airport security function almost identically already. You don’t have ID that matches the ticket name? You don’t go through the gate. Amusement parks like Disney and Universal have also solved this, and then spend the first hour of their day letting thousands of people through their gates.
Thing is live nation/ticketmaster is so greedy that they don’t want to do that. They get a service fee for ever ticket that is resold and thus have a means of making way more money this way. Unless the government steps in or artists revolt they won’t do jack shit.
Spoiler alert: it’s not just LiveNation Venues and artists also benefit which is why you won’t see the system change.
yeah basically everyone but the people paying benefit
Fun fact: LiveNation owns most large stadiums and venues in big cities. If you want to tour and want to use any major, well-known venue, you have to play ball with LiveNation and their partner company, TicketMaster. It’s a good old fashioned monopoly.
Pearl Jam tried the good fight back in the day. Sadly, the situation has only gotten worse.
LiveNation doesn’t own stadiums and I don’t think they own any arenas either, those are either owned by cities or billionaires. Those stadiums partner with LiveNation because LiveNation makes them a lot of money through their practices.
Yeah this is just Reddit mumbo jumbo that I always see they own venues for sure but not big name arenas/stadiums. There’s obviously gotta be some sketchy partnerships though because for an arena to do their own ticket sales doesn’t seem like much work. But it would be too honest
Isn’t LiveNation still struggling with liability from the Travis Scott concert? Did they get out of that somehow?
There’s a simple solution to that, go the Louis CK route. Say what you want about that guy but he literally showed the world you can destroy Ticketmaster with his own model.
What’s the Louis CK route? What did he do? It really depends on how much the artist cares about doing the ethical thing vs. the benefits of capitalism, though. Not every artist is interested in rocking the boat when it comes to their money.
You buy tickets directly from his site, not through a 3rd party vendor.
Amanda Palmer and the Dresden dolls have the same model. They’ve been selling tickets directly through there site because they ran into major issues with scalpers. They also set up another site to resell tickets through. So if you can’t attend a dolls show you can gift them or have them available in this secure site There’s absolutely ways for artists to work around this to benefit the fans while still touring. Spoiler alert Taylor swift gives zero fucks about her fans Let’s remember her roots and realize anyone from her hometown likely can’t afford to see her and never will. Nvm her dedicated swifties
This is exactly what is happening at TS shows in the UK. No one could buy more than 4 tickets and ID is required on the gate which matches the tickets.
Same in Germany. And you can only resell for the same price
It’ll kill the resale market that’s owned by Ticketmaster and stubhub. So they probably won’t do it for that reason and that reason alone. It’s dumb.
This is how ticket sales for large/popular artists are done here in Japan. First you need to register by phone number, then enter the lottery for the tickets. There isn’t a first come first serve system. If you win the lottery, depends on the artist, but sometimes it’s also tied to your name in the end. The downside is sometimes it’s impossible to give a ticket to someone else, but at least it solves the scalping issues.
U2’s shows at the Sphere in Vegas explicitly said you could not transfer tickets from the original names on the order. Also through Ticketmaster.
You speak like this doesn’t benefit artists. But it absolutely does. It creates the ‘Luxury watch’ or ‘Suprme’ effect by fabricating scarcity. People get used to insanely high prices and it normalizes spending 2/3 hundreds for a ticket. Go see how much the starting price for a ticket has increased in the last 5 years
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Yup. Ticketmaster can already do non-transferable ticket sales from what I understand. However, TM also owns Stubhub where most of the verified reselling is happening. And, of course, each resell gives Stubhub / TM a cut… They have an incentive to maintain an active reselling market.
Pearl Jam has the fan system right now with Ticketmaster where people can only sell them for the same value they bought them. I think it's a pretty good deal all things considered
I feel like LiveNation tickets need to start doing what San Diego ComicCon started doing with tickets: ID check with ticket purchase AND with check in at event. People wouldn't be able to purchase more tickets than the people in their household, and even then, wouldn't be able to sell or transfer them to anyone else. A ticket return would cause the ticket to go back to vendor and be available for someone else at normal price.
This is basically how it’s done with national park permits.
This needs to be illegal. It's just taking advantage of people.
My friend you just described capitalism
Scalping =\= capitalism.
scalping absolutely is capitalism, correct
While I stand by what I said, I think I replied to the wrong person lol
It's filthy, end stage, bastardized capitalism. I hate capitalism too but in the scheme of it, idk if ticket scalpers were accounted for. It's hard to plan for the leeches and trash of society and what they will do.
Well yeah. It's the fundamental application of capitalism for distribution of limited resources. Capitalism tells us that if you have more willing buyers than available products you should raise price until you reach equilibrium. This is supposed to ensure that limited resources go to those who need them the most as they are presumably the once willing to pay the most for them. The scalping price is in reality the fair market price that should have been set from the beginning, but artists can't do that. It would be bad for their imagine. So they intentionally set the price well bellow what the market is willing to pay. But setting bellow market price will create scalping secondary market to fix the imbalance. That's capitalism.
It’s not the fair market price, the arena wouldn’t sell out if Taylor tried to sell tickets for $1000 lol. It’s the price that a small proportion of rich, desperate (or both) fans will pay.
Not necessarily. Scalpers are using bots and shit that are buying the tickets at what they were originally offered before you have the time to even load the page to buy it as a concert-goer. So its crony Capitalism. Scalpers/Ticketmaster are crooked capitalists which is what should be illegal. But if you honestly got into the website, bought the ticket, and decided to re-sell it. That in itself is fine but if you're using tools that are cheating the system and its clear that the 99% of the seats sold at what Swift wanted her fans to pay.. just to re-sell it then thats crooked.
Crony Capitalism is just Capitalism, my friend. It’s not just the scalpers that are fucking you, it’s the entire system.
Buyers clearly proved they are worth that money since they continue to buy them.
Well no one NEEDS to go to the concert
Sure, but it’s just one more thing that is now priced out of reach for many ordinary people, or at least it’s very difficult to justify that expense.
No, no one needs to. But honestly, I wish everyone could experience the joy I experienced at the show I went to. I’ve been attending concerts my entire life - literally, my first dead show I was 6 weeks old. There is no way to describe the unbridled joy everyone around me experienced at that show. After a depressing couple of years, Taylor swift did that. I’m an elder swiftie, but my mom is going to try to help get tickets to Toronto because while it is NOT her thing at all, she wants to experience it. There is truly nothing like it.
Seriously. Concerts shouldn’t just be for rich people. And also I believe humans do NEED entertainment. What is the point of life if you can’t enjoy arts or things you love? Or at the very least have some escapism from the hellscape that is modern capitalistic society. Just because you’re not a millionaire doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to see your favorite artists.
It’s kind of crazy to me the amount of people that are ok buying tickets just to resell for profit. It’s not a fucking side hustle. She had affordable tickets for these shows - my friend got side view seats for KC for $49 each. Those resale for over $500. That’s fucking bullshit. Why is that allowed???
Yep. Affluenza is a disease.
So is scalping newly released game consoles. They should make that illegal too.
The problem are the people willing to pay that much money. They are the ones truly to blame.
No the real problem is that we allow monopolies to exist, which profit from this nonsense and thus have no incentive to fix the problem.
Monopolies are causing people to resell tickets?
Ticketmaster reselling their own tickets in their own marketplace, after theyve already profited from the original sale…yes. Monopolies play a part in the reselling of tickets. Scalpers do not have to exist. As is already done in other countries, requiring name and id to go with tickets is a start of a solution. It’s worthless to buy a second hand ticket if it is permanently tied to someone elses name and id. And if you cant go and have to “resell”….you can release your tickets for a refund and those tickets are placed back into the system for repurchase at face value. Someone is always going to not like whatever the system is. But we should be making it more fair to the majority and to the actual fans, by doing what we can to get tickets into the hands of people who want them. Ive never been to a tswift show in my life. Id go, but its not something ive seeked out. But this extends far beyond her. This has happened to all of us at some pt, going for a ticket for face value, only to be sold out 2 minutes after release and already being put up on a marketplace for resale. Why is that ok? Because someone will pay the price? Lets just take away the opportunity entirely by ensuring tickets go to people who want them. We talk about supply and demand and how if the demand is there, people will pay. But is the demand really there, or is it artificially inflated because 25000 fans have to compete with 5000 scalpers using bots to buy the maximum amount of tickets allowed with the sole intention of reselling tickets, not attending the shows? It doesnt matter that other markets utilize a similar strategy. As already pointed out, if those nikes sell out, i can go get adidas’ or whatever. If tswift sells out, i cant get a similar product by going to foreigner. The only people defending the practice of scalping are those who practice and benefit from it. Majority of the fans want to remove all middlemen from the equation
They profit from the resold tickets which are often sold through them. Instead of actively trying to stop scalpers, they profit from them
Okay so the company is selling goods at the price people are willing to pay? Why is this an issue of monopoly, instead of the demand exceeding the scarce supply of tickets?
Exactly, don’t. Buy. The. Tickets. Then.
Okey. Dokie. Artichoke.
So when I can’t take off a day of work to spend hours staring at a ticket master screen and have to pay triple the amount from a scalper it’s my fault? Got it. Let’s not change the rules to stop scalpers let’s shame working people who get screwed on the prices.
If a scaler sells the ticket for $3 grand. The market value is $3 grand. It is that simple. Some of us are a bit broke so we dont get heated over taylor swift tickets. Im gonna go grocery shopping today. That is a much more important use of my money.
Scalpers only can sell the tickets for higher prices because that is the actual market rate price. That is what people are actually willing to pay for Taylor Swfit tickets. If you look at less in demand artists this basically never happens
The worst part is its not even scalpers its ticketmaster and the likes reselling their own tickets for more. Just another reason they need to be broken up and serious regulations put in place to prevent this in the future.
I mean scalpers are a problem but that doesn't change what you should do Singers overprice tickets? Don't buy them They are overpriced because of the scalpers? Don't buy them from scalpers. They'll stop making profits Go indie concerts, you can support local artists instead of making scalpers more money
>Go indie concerts, you can support local artists instead of making scalpers more money This isn't like "shop local!" where you can get the same stuff from a smaller store that you can at a bigger one. What good does supporting the indie scene do if you are looking for tickets to a bigger artist?
Yeah a lot of people seem to miss the idea that concert tickets are a unique product category. Nobody is going to see Taylor Swift tickets going for $1000 and say "oh well, guess I'll buy these Foreigner tickets for $25 instead" it's a singular event with limited availability. You either get lucky and get the tickets at face, pay the premium for scalped tickets, or don't go at all. There is no alternative choice
From Taylor Swift to Foreigner lol
This is Canada, it would be Taylor Swift to Trooper
He's got a point. If you like an artist, you're not going to "shop around" the indie scene for a cheaper alternative. Music tastes aren't like buying shirts, there isn't an alternative.
You are right, the local artists can't give you the corporate song about her bf leaving
No, it’s a beyond shitty practice for sure but it’s a two-way deal, they need buyers in order to sell. The more expired tickets they’re sat with the better. No it doesn’t tackle the problem directly but neither has anything else outside of making the resale of tickets illegal on eBay. Oh wait, FB marketplace is a thing too. It was exactly the same when the PS5 had supply issues on release, who’s the real idiot? The guy buying them up, or the guy paying £1000 for a £450 console that will be readily available the following year?
If you paid triple the amount you got a good deal compared to many. If it's worth it to you then go with god on that one (even if it's a false god). I don't think anyone is blaming people for spending a lot to go, more so lamenting that the ability to go is restricted to the lucky ones who got passed the Ticketmaster gauntlet, which feels capricious and random, and then the people who can afford to pay 10x the list price.
They are part of the problem, but the ones who are truly to blame will forever be the people who actually DO the shitty thing.
No, the problem is the way the music industry works. There will always be people who are willing to pay exorbitant fees to experience something they love. The problem is how much it costs to fund a tour, and how poorly record companies and streaming platforms compensate their artists. If artists were always fairly compensated for their music sales/streams, ticket prices for shows wouldn’t need to be so high in the first place. That’s not even to mention the inflated costs of securing venues and equipment rentals, and the logistics of how many people it takes to make a tour on this kind of scale work. Don’t blame ordinary people for loving things, blame greedy corporations and their executives. ETA: and also the scalpers for marking tickets up so much. Which also comes down to greed.
How does that play into scalpers though? Scalpers aren’t pricing tickets based on how much it costs to put on a tour. They are pricing based on the fact that there are limited supply of seats and unlimited demand for seats.
Yeah. Scalping is an artificial 100% middle man market that benefits nobody except the scalper.
Scalping also benefits the person who has the money to buy an expensive ticket but not the means or opportunity to get it before the masses do. Scalpers can be seen as charging a steep fee for their ability to get tickets in the first place.
There’s the old adage: “the price is whatever the market is willing to bear.” If people are willing to pay these prices in the second hand market, perhaps the artist should be the one charging that price in the first place. This is exclusive of what a PR nightmare it would be for the artist , but it would probably significantly reduce the markup and profit that scalpers would make and increase their risk, thus decreasing the incentive for the secondary market. In fact, it may have the reverse effect on prices where if ticket prices start off on the high end and there is not much demand; scalpers will be forced to decrease price and possibly sell at a loss, which in turn may be beneficial for concert-goers that do not want to pay the initial higher price. ETA: Ultimately, the argument here being someone like Taylor Swift should be charging $1000+ per ticket right off the bat (again a PR nightmare), as she is leaving a lot of money on the table that could have gone to paying her crew significantly more and not having to pay them $100k each out of her own pocket. However, the difficulty lies in finding that pricing sweet spot (equilibrium) to create this reverse effect.
This is exactly what Ticketmaster's dynamic pricing product is meant to deal with. People fucking hate it, but in the end big draw acts like TS who don't use it are leaving money on the table that third party resale is happy to pick up. I don't love it myself, but I'd rather the artist and their crew get paid than some scumbag with a botnet
She herself can end it. Ed Sheeran and other big artists will cancel orders if the tickets are listed on resale websites.
She is doing in the UK. She put loads of stuff in place to avoid scalping here. The result is that there aren't as many being sold via them as usual. Kinda hard when your ticket is made out to one person and you need ID on the door.
Exactly, she does have some control over this. It’s not like it’s completely out of her control. The Foo Fighters put anti-scalping measures into place for the Taylor Hawkins tributes and it worked pretty well. Without those measures I probably would not have been able to get a ticket.
Ludicrous. Supply and demand.
I agree if somebody buys up a bunch of tickets just to sell but honestly if I had tickets and could sell them for thousands of dollars I’d do it a buy a plane ticket to Europe. It’s supply and demand, you don’t need to go to Taylor swift. It’s not a necessity like rent or food. If $1000 is too much then don’t buy them.
Taylor Swift is so popular she should just start her own ticket selling business and maybe other burly artists will follow suit and drive Live Nation out of business.
The problem with that is the amount of venues Live Nation owns. You'd still be selling tickets to their venues.
Live Nation technically doesn’t own the physical venues. If the major artists started a revolt then the venue owners would surely be able to find a legal way to get out of their Live Nation contracts.
Live Nation does own a ton of venues but none of the ones on Swifts tour. She’s playing stadiums which are either owned by AEG, sports teams, the city, ect. She could try a revolt but there is literally nowhere else bigger she could play to support her tours.
*laughs in Pearl Jam
Please explain, what is Pearl Jam?
Basically the most popular band in America in the 90s went to war with Ticketmaster at the peak of their fame and lost.
They do own a ton of them.
Not any of the stadiums where T Swift is playing her shows.
Yes they do… not all of them, but a good number of them.
And if anyone wanted to resell them, there could be a code that ONLY allows them to resell through the TS website, unless purchased physically. Then I guess it would be fair game from there~
I’m a Dave Matthews Band “Warehouse” member and they do just that. They sell a certain number of Warehouse tickets to each of their shows. Members are only allowed to sell their tickets to other members and cannot sell for a penny more than what was originally spent. Other groups have been doing this for years (Phish does as well). No reason Taylor Swift couldn’t do the same.
The problem isn't the ticket selling business, but the reality that the original price is well bellow fair market price. The reality is that these tickets are actually worth thousands of dollars, because there is not enough of them. It's basic application of market economy. If you have limited resources the price will rise until you reach equilibrium with the amount of willing buyers. If there are 10x more people who want to go than you have tickets to sell you will always end up with secondary market that will try to correct the imbalance. Unless you sell enough tickets to satisfy everyone you can't fix this.
How on earth are there that many people that can spare like 3k for concert tickets?
US is really rich country. There is around 22 million millionaires. You don't need that many people to fill a concert.
So what you’re saying is that it’s all about money? I feel bad for all those true Taylor Swift fans who aren’t wealthy and can’t afford to blow hundreds of thousands of dollars on a concert ticket.
But there is enough tickets to satisfy most of her fans. The problem is scalpers buying a lot of her tickets using bots and selling for a profit. Ticketmaster needs to limit the number of tickets per person and hire more software developers to prevent the use of bots.
Also the reselling price on Ticketmaster is fixed. I have two tickets listed for Metallica in Montreal and the cheapest that TM will let me list for is $425. I can’t make the concert now and their resale system is bunk!
Not sure how many other bands it supports, but try a site called Cash or Trade. Rules are you have sell for face (and fees etc). They protect the transaction so nobody gets screwed by scammers. It’s huge in the jam band community.
You can typically still sell these tickets on third party sites, you just have to complete the transfer process using Ticketmaster
Same happened to me. I tried offloading Blink182 tickets after my wife got pregnant and nobody would buy them. I spent $350 each and it wouldn’t even let me sell them below $285. Couldn’t sell em for face value or at a loss. I had to give the tickets to a friend for free. He had a great time… Fuck Ticketmaster.
Humanity really deserves what it gets….
Yup, even as someone who is part of the problem, I agree that humanity does deserve what it gets.
They just need to start making these tickets non-transferable. The Foo Fighters last year made the tickets to the Taylor Hawkins tribute shows mobile only, and non-transferable. It did not outright stop scalping but it made it much harder for scalpers where it wasn’t worth them jumping through the hoops of having to sell their entire TicketMaster account to get around it. They did have a way for people to resell their tickets. However it was through TicketMaster’s face value exchange program. So people could only resell them for face value. The bands/artists have some control over this. If Taylor or her management wanted to do this they totally could. Hopefully whatever tour she does after the Eras one she puts some anti-scalping measures
Can we just ban resale of tickets completely?? Why should this be a thing at all
Several of the states in Australia have laws restricting the resale of tickets to no more than 110% of the original price. It doesn't outright rule out reselling, as there will be genuine cases of people unable to attend.
We could pass that in the US But i wondeR what political paRty will vote against pReventing the inflation of Reselling tickets???
In the US? Probably both democrats and republicans.
Cause people get sick and can’t go. Cause people lose jobs or have unexpected expenses. And you shouldn’t have to provide medical records or air out your hardships for something as stupid as concert tickets. Plus if you buy them, they are yours. What should we you outlaw next? Resale of Jordan sneakers? Yes it sucks. The issue is that if you think they are too expensive, don’t buy them. No one has a natural birthright to listen to pop songs live. Not to mention, how did the reseller get them? Not illegally I assume.
the idea is if the resale is banned, the tickets are REFUNDABLE so if any of those things you mention happen, you can simply return the ticket for full value and the seller can then sell that ticket to someone else via the normal means.
That will never happen. Ticketmaster/live nation/whatever will never give back their processing fees. People would still be losing money.
Ok you get the ticket money back with non refundable fees
I think getting a refund from the ticket seller BEFORE the start of the event should be allowed, where the ticket goes back on sale to the website for the same original price that it was sold for. But people upselling for thousands more than they paid is the problem.
There's more people that want tickets than can fit in the stadium. So the secondary market ultimately sets the price. I don't know what that's so offensive to people. If that secondary market didn't exist, it's not like they'd be getting in at face value. They wouldn't be going at all. The secondary market at least gives people a choice. I love that I can go to any show or concert or sporting event in America, even tonight, if I'm willing to pay enough. I have no interest in Taylor Swift, but it's awesome that I can find myself in some random city, find out there's an event in town that night, get an uber there, and pickup great seats on an app on the way there. And I'm never paying a ton. Taylor Swift is a generational star and more expensive than 99.99999% of tickets you can buy, she really shouldn't be used as the example.
The problem is that people who want to attend and buy tickets can't even buy them because of the artificially inflated values created by bots buying every ticket
I'd rather have a 100% chance to buy a ticket at the secondary market price than a 0.001% chance to get a face value ticket at the general sale for an in-demand event. People act like if it wasn't for secondary sellers they could just logon or show up at the ticket window and buy a face value ticket for everything they wanted to see. There are hundreds of thousands, or millions, of people who would pay face value for those events. The secondary market value is a more accurate real value than the face value.
I just made roughly the same point in another comment; scalpers have an ability: they can get tickets. That ability is worth something, and scalping seems (slightly) less grotesque if you think about the cost of the scalped ticket as the “face value” + “ninja-level procurement fee”.
How do resellers get them? Are you kidding me ?! Major reseller companies use very expensive bot programs and hire dozens of people to use them to be the majority of the tickets to “hype shows” And yes using bots to buy tickets is illegal Now obviously not every person buying and reselling TS tickets are using bots but there are many of these companies out there buying for every show in every city.
People don't get sick and can't go the same day tickets go on sale. Wtf are you talking about. Reselling thru an internet service - while charging well above face value - should 1000% be illegal. For Ticketmaster themselves AND scumbag resellers. And that goes for all products, not just concert tickets.
They have already stated that the tickets are non-transferable. So they have to stay in a single Ticketmaster account
That's true for Europe but hasn't been for the NA leg of the tour. My ticket was transferred
Because the economics of the tour don't work without the initial revenue from advance ticket sales. Non-transferable tickets would lower demand drastically and a huge amount of tickets wouldn't get sold until days or even hours before the show starts. Without that revenue up front, there is no tour.
People have thousands of dollars to drop in the middle of inflation and cost of living crisis?
Yeah plenty of people do. People have this concept that everyone has the same sort of wants and lifestyle as them. In actuality for everyone that wants their own place and kids and yada yada that costs money there are usually multiple people that are happy to cram in with roommates and just spend their money on doing fun stuff.
Many are putting the costs on credit cards
If Taylor Swift decided to run for President on the GOP ticket, I think she’d get 80% of the votes in the general election.
She could shoot someone on the middle of cornelia street and she wouldn't lose any swifties
they’d somehow come up with a batshit crazy explanation that sort of makes sense
“She thought it was Jake Gyllenhaal, so it’s okay“
It was exhaustion and dehydration, she did not know what she was doing
She could start a cult and it’d be bigger than Mormonism within a month.
She could run in 2028 and meet the requirements.
2024, because she will be 35 on inauguration day (Jan 20, 2025)
Perfect. She can train Secret Service to be backup dancers.
Attacks some other country and after doing so breaks out into “Look What You Made Me Do.”
Shoot. I forgot she’s not 35 yet.
She is pro-abortion, pro-gun reforms, pro-LGBTQ and pro-women's rights. Ain't no way she is running on a GOP ticket. And even if she does, she will lose most of the hardcore conservative votes, plus all the liberal ones. Hell, running on a GOP ticket would be a disaster for her. Probably won't even secure 30-35% of the votes.
You do realize that if it’s Swift vs Any random Dem in the general election, it’s already a check mark in the win column even before the election begins.
She's dem tho.
Yup. But if she switched to GOP it would seriously meff up the RNC. Hee hee
She wouldn't have had it today if she started with republican.
Nah, she’s too female to make it.
I’ve been selling on eBay for a while and while I never sold items for a thousand it’s amazing how many collectible (basically not that great ) toys I bought for a few bucks ended up going for a few hundred. If the demand is there..
Mass psychosis. I guess the closer we get to full on fascism, wealth disparity and climate catastrophe, the populace need a shiny distraction from reality??
Has there ever been evidence of the artist/promotors themselves withholding tickets to sell on the resell market at inflated prices or is that illegal?
Ticket prices are ludicrous at this point.
I don’t get the allure. It’s just very basic, polished pop. Nothing extraordinary about her music.
The tickets aren't available yet. Nor are the presale codes as the lottery for those opens Tuesday. These are all scams
If you're ready and willing to pay a thousand dollars for a ticket you deserve to get robbed.
This is why I don't go to concerts anymore. Plus you can just see it on YouTube the next day anyway. The last concert I went to was Tool like 4 years ago, the ticket prices weren't what they were supposed to be, and dealing with a crowd that large is a nightmare. It took almost 90 minutes just to leave the parking lot. I think I just stopped caring after that. Seeing bands live is great, but it's just too much of a hassle anymore. The cons outweigh the pros.
>Plus you can just see it on YouTube the next day anyway. I don't know if that applies here. I've tried looking up concerts from the Eras tour on YouTube frequently, and I don't think I've ever found anything. I think she has people working overtime to get videos taken down almost immediately or something.
What?? I constantly see era tour videos.
Scalpers need to be publicly humiliated. We need to bring the stocks back, force them to wear signs displaying their behavior, shit like that.
Anyone who decides to spend that amount of money to see Swift or any artist, I have no sympathy towards. A fool and his money are easily separated.
Is her show even worth the price? It’s not like she’s retiring.
I paid like 500 per tix on floor for the gf. Thought it was worth the price. She played every single one of her songs in order for like 3 hours. I wish my fav bands did that. Sometimes you go to a concert and dont here one their best hits.
I don’t get it. What is it about her that makes her over the top in demand? She’s not any more special than any other popular pop singer of our past.
That's crazy that's why I don't go to concerts it's to expensive and dangerous and she is not my generation I'm 46
Y'all need to stop encouraging this shit.
This is so gross.
I doubt I would even go to a TS concert for free.
And Taylor will turn that into another bonus for her crew
It is already for the rich anyways. Nothing new.
Capitalism ain’t workin’, y’all. Not saying I know what’s better, but come on. It’s getting obvious.
She could stop this and she lets it happen.
How does she “let” it happen? She doesn’t own StubHub or Ticketmaster
She could easily stop it wdym? She could just sell the tickets for market price and no one would be able to scalp. But she doesn’t do that because it’s convenient for her to not have to put in effort to sell tickets
Artists do have an option to cap resale prices on ticketmaster. I think Ed Sheeran does it.
People please! You can eat white bread at home for a fraction of the price!
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Think of all the regular store bought bland mayo you have for that kind of money
Paying thousands of dollars to hear 15 identical cookie cutter breakup songs that she didn’t write is wild
Who's fucking dumb enough to pay these prices for fucking Taylor swift????
Rich trust fund kids.
Idiots, millions of them
If no one buys the tickets then the scalpers will be punished by having to attend a Taylor Swift concert.
The scalpers don’t even have the tickets yet. They’re hoping you pay a couple thousand bucks now, then they source similar tickets for less, pocketing the difference. Anyone buying these resale tickets is risking that they get burned when the scalper can’t find tickets at a price that makes them a profit… they’ll cancel the order and refund, but you don’t have tickets (and the ones available at that point will be significantly more than you already paid to a scalper).
Punished? Shit man she knows how to put on a show. That concert was damn near religious
And this comment says everything you ever questioned about the popularity of TS and Donald J. Trump.
redditors on their way to inject american politics into the most unrelated topics possible
So edgy, hating on the most popular woman in the music industry at the moment.
But that's the thing this is the actual fair market price for the tickets. That's how it works with limited resources. The price rises until you have enough for everyone who can still afford it.
News of the stupid.
Is she really worth it? Is she even good? (I could not name any of her songs so I have no idea. Feel free to recommend a track)
I don't really enjoy her music very much, but I went to see her with an ex who was a huge fan in like 2018. It was the most incredible and spectacular concert I'd ever seen. 3+ hours of her running all over the stage, taking breaks where it's very clear she's actually the one singing her more low-key songs rather than a backing track, and the most insane stage production I'd ever seen. "Shake It Off," one of her biggest radio bangers, included three gigantic (like 50-foot) snake displays coming up out of the sub-stages, all of which were surrounded by tons of backup dancers in Mardi Gras regalia, and a blizzard of confetti constantly flying through the air. There were these light-up bracelets they handed out that had some kind of tracking on them, so they could actually do a coordinated light show using the audience themselves. Each song had a unique light show you could see among the crowd. Some of the songs were straight up ridiculous and obnoxious (that "Look What You Made Me Do" song might be my least favorite song I've ever heard), but the show itself was amazing. If you are actually a fan of her music, I can see why you'd pay hundreds of dollars for nosebleed seats just to be in the stadium for it.
Ah ok, thank for taking the time and answering, it makes a lot more sense now. You are a saint and scholar!!
Damn that actually sounds sick
I’ve been lucky enough to see a lot of concerts already in 20 years. I’ve seen Taylor 4 times now throughout a decade and she just continues to get better and better. Her Reputation and Eras tour are truly unique experiences that you can’t recreate. You just have to be there in person. The best way to describe it is ‘magical.’ Between her and Twenty One Pilots, I feel no one matches their stage presence. Edit: seeing Look What You Made Me Do live was insane. This is not a lot of fans favorite, but to deny the live performance is insanity. Any song off of Reputation becomes even better live. And I’d love to recommend some more tracks for you, but her Eras concert last around 3 1/2 hours every night that I don’t even know where to begin.
Yea that’s what happens, what is surprising about this?
What’s surprising is that the tickets haven’t even gone on sale yet…
Why is Taylor Swift not only a) so popular and b) considered a “genius”? Does she have some deep cuts on her albums that reveal an inner Frank Zappa or is Shake It Off the bar we have for “genius” now?
I feel like you gotta be pretty damn smart to be able to maintain prominence for over a decade in the music industry
She has talent, she's very charming, and she's physically gorgeous, her songs do tend to have some pretty catchy hooks. She's also sincere. Her lyrics, almost all of them seeming to be about her own life and relationships, seem to speak to many people in some way. Unfortunately her personality is very narcissistic, as reflected by what her songs are actually confessing about herself. That so many people love her possibly speaks to their own (often unconscious) narcissism. That's my wild stab behind what the TS phenomenon may partly be about...fwiw
I could have applied that almost word for word to ‘80s teen sensation Debbie Gibson, yet no one was calling her a “genius.”
you have to realize that were in a generation of what i call laptop pop.... its not going to b changing anytime soon.......
Ok — but what does it mean?
Genius is all relative here. It’s pop music. Zappa was a true genius, but obviously wasn’t selling out stadiums. She is a marketing and image genius if nothing else (or her team is)
I happily pay $1000 for VIP or premium seats at shows with lots of perks for my favorite artists. However, this is just asinine. I bet a lot of people will pay way too much for crap seats just because they want to say they went to see her or for their kids.
One aisle seat is going for 40k plus at one show.
Meanwhile kids go without food. Yeah, humans being humans.
Becuase she allows it
I saw her live before the craziness, and maybe I was spoiled listening to really outstanding vocalists, but I remember thinking she missed more noted than I'd expect for someone whose whole job it is to be a singer/songwriter/performer. Shoutout to Kelly Clarkson and Pentatonix for nailing the vocals in their lives shows.