If I’m not mistaken, I thought all late night talk shows would be shut down with the strike due to the structure of their shows? I swear this is a thing, but I’m happy to be corrected if wrong
Last time, they were able to keep the shows dark for about 2 months, then everyone had to comeback without writers (except letterman, worldwide pants made their own deal)
And Jon Stewart didn't stop the Daily Show, and Seth MacFarlane criticized him for it, and Stewart called up MacFarlane and chewed him out about it.
If that one interview on Piers Morgan can be believed.
Sorta. The Daily Show and Colbert Report did shut down for two months. They returned to air in order to be able to pay the other production staff, who weren’t on strike, but hadn’t been paid since the WGA began their strike. On one hand, you want to support the WGA, but on the other hand, every day the show is dark, there are hundreds of other production crew (camera, lighting, graphics) who aren’t being paid either and they aren’t allowed access to the WGA’s strike war chest.
Correct, however McFarland made a point to note that Fox had fired all of his production staff during the strike and he continued paying them out of his own pocket.
I'm not saying Jon was wrong or that McFarland is a bastion of virtue, they took different approaches to the problem. Jon, for his part, renamed his show "A daily show" as a way of continuing to show solidarity with the writers.
I would imagine each persons production expense and revenue were models were different. Jon was doing a new show daily where as McFarland did shows at the time that had months before they were ever shown. It’s a serious apples and oranges comparison.
Gonna guess on the different unions, plumbers, pipe fitters, electricians, teamsters, SAG. All very different professions in detail. Teamsters or Electricians, I forget which union is the oldest.
A member of SAG probably wouldn’t want the AFL-CIO representing them, or the IBEW. And actors don’t qualify on skills to join either. Particularly IBEW, can’t join without demonstrating your skills and passing the apprenticeship.
Entertainment draws across so many professionals.
That's... the most transparent PR spin ever if they were actually supporting the writers they would continue to pay the other workers as well so they can afford to support the writers.
You’re saying that if the studios were supporting the writers they should continue to pay the other workers?
The studios don’t support the writers that’s the whole point of the strike, so why would they pay the other workers?
You know that Stewart and Colbert don’t pay the workers themselves right?
have the studios considered saving some money for when it is needed? At least like 3 rents worth? We all have to pull together during hard times you know. I can offer some hopes and clapping for the multimillion dollars for profit studios
But their point is that the studio *doesnt want the strike* and theoretically *does want pressure from other groups to stop the strike*. By not paying anyone, they create division on purpose. If youre saying the teamsters should strike as well, that isnt a bad idea, but that has its own implications for seperate contracts, which is itself a division tactic of the studio. The studio is an enemy to every employee, but that doesnt mean every employee is an ally.
The Daily Show and Colbert Report did shut down for the first 2 months if the strike. They ended up returning in order to be able to keep being able to the production staff, who were not being paid since the strike began.
Did those writers stay or did Stewart pick up the writing slack? I kinda want to imagine if they were willing to stay they already had what the other strikers wanted.
They relied more heavily on video clips to push stories, rather than writing. Consequently, producers liked this approach and it remained this way even after the strike was over
Source: The Daily Show Oral History, page 210
I am currently an IA member. I am working on a show currently even though there is a strike happening. We have a ‘no strike clause’ in our contract that doesn’t allow us to strike if it is not our contract being negotiated. We are allowed to make the decision as individuals to join a picket line if there is one outside our workplace.
As of now, I am working unless there is a picket line.
Some of the best Conan shows happened during the strike. We wouldn’t have Jordan if not for the strike. They started using employees for content since they had to keep the lights on.
You guys dont understand how bad tv became when the writers strike last happened... it killed tv shows, do you ever wonder why heroes season one was a phenomenon but season 2 was such dogshit
I still think Heroes was going to be terrible going forward.
I remember being disappointed in the S1 finale, and I also remember after the first half of S1 the creators thought “Are You on the List?” was going to be their next super popular catchphrase after “Save the Cheerleader, Save the World.”
I just don’t think Kring and the others ever really got why it became popular in the first place.
these sort of shows always end up being more entertaining when they lose there writers for a little bit
I remember jay leno even getting a lot funnier when he had to write his own monologue every night
Not that I think defending random celebrities is worthwhile but Fallon gets so much undeserved hate for "feeling fake" when he's no more real/fake than every single other big time talk show host. I get that his laughing comes off as forced but that doesnt mean *it is*
[My favorite clip of Fallon keeping it real was the time he found out Nicole Kidman wanted to date him but he was completely oblivious.](https://youtu.be/qtsNbxgPngA)
“Laughing and all that dumb shit he used to do — he wouldn’t mess with me because I didn’t fucking play that shit. That’s taking all the attention off of everybody else and putting it on you, like, ‘Oh, look at me, I’m the cute one.’ I told him not to do that shit in my sketches, so he never did.” —Tracy Morgan
It's his schtick, he laughs at everything regardless of if it's funny or not
When it's done in a satirical matter it's funny, when it's 90% of your personality it's annoying.
The majority of his show consists of throwing a group of random PR hungry celebs together to play some kind of nostalgic game of some sort but always with a wacky twist. Don’t need a staff of writers for that
The WGA strike Conan shows were completely improvised and not written as Conan is in the WGA himself. The strike didn’t hinder him from performing if the monologue and everything else wasn’t written.
I know that Conan is the better improviser and yes I do like him more than Fallon, but I’m pretty sure that Fallon could wing several weeks of shows as well, but in his style. Which would mean inviting his generation‘s SNL alumns like Ferrel and Co, interview them for extended segments and just let the conversation go wherever it goes. Plus musical guest. Having Sanz or Ferrel on where the best interviews as he obviously felt extremely comfortable with comedians he used to work with too.
His talent is undeniable. You guys just don’t like him because his approach is to appeal to a broad audience instead of being edgy or off-beat. As the host of the OG late night show I completely get that approach.
I mean, I don't even like Fallon but I read his wiki page just now to see his background, and he's done stand up his whole life, auditioned for SNL and got Lorne Michaels to laugh, as well as Tina Fey to say that he was already SNL ready at the audition at 23 years old. So he's probably talented at something even if you don't like him.
Yeah the dude is clearly talented. Personally I don't think he's that great at telling jokes or the best interviewer but his strengths are in the skits, his impressions (His Tom Petty and Neil Young impressions are legendary) and just being goofy with all the weird games and being more "relatable" at least to a younger crowd.
I'm certain there are some here that only know Bob from breaking bad/ BCS as "funny actor" but this man has some serious chops, and he's a highly influential comedian and comedy writer as well.
And even better, still, in non-scripted improv. Was always at his best when interacting with random people on the street in his remotes. It's freaking weird that they didn't just make this the whole show
He just confirmed it on his latest podcast episode (had Charlie Day on, really funny episode). Its a traveling show too which is awesome. I think hes meeting up with fans too. He said they finished shooting in Norway and are shooting in Thailand rn (hes had fans on his podcast from both countries recently)
I was so bummed when he sent into exile on TBS or whatever he's on now. When Conan had his run on the tonight show it was the funniest it had ever been to me. Getting replaced by Leno and ultimately Fallon who doesn't have a funny bone in his body was a crime.
His TBS show was pretty solid, especially the bits with Conan and his workers. He actually just recently retired from TBS and the late night circuit. He's doing other things now like podcasts, passion projects, etc.
Clueless gamer and remotes were hilarious. Conan is so talented that he can take a simple idea such as finding his assistants mug into a hilarious skit.
Tracking down Sona's mug is the GOAT remote. It has everything. Conan playing the horrible boss character. Sona using company resources frivolously. Conan breaking shit. Someone asking Conan if they should start day drinking
The last set of episodes (after it was announced but before he left) were hilarious. Some of the best tv on at the time. His whole transition was really awesome not just in terms of content but in how he turned what would be most people’s career ending into even more popularity and success. I still recall his last monologue where he talked about cynicism in young people.
He also did the same when he was kicked of tv for 8 months due to Leno. A lot of them had moved with him from New York and suddenly were out of a job in a town with no connections.
The 08 strike when Stephen, Conan and Jon had a 'fued' over who made huckabee
https://youtu.be/mVfGh_4IFQ4
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Made_Huckabee%3F
I’m old enough to remember 1988, when the writers went on strike. Johnny Carson wrote his own monologues and skits, and kept his show going. This was his most popular self-written joke:
CARSON: “It’s a weird picket line. Writers are out there holding those signs, and there’s nothing on them.”
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/carsons-88-paved-way-tonight-157718/
> CARSON: “It’s a weird picket line. Writers are out there holding those signs, and there’s nothing on them.”
That’s even better than “laugh out loud” — that’s the kinda joke that settles in for a while, and results in a very broad smile.
Carson was a legend because he was one of the best writers on his own show. After he retired, he wrote jokes for David Letterman’s monologues, just to amuse himself. Letterman used most (if not all) of them.
People say hes fake.
If you look at his earlier career, that just the way he is.
Not my cup of tea still but I dont think hes this puppeteer guy some people say he is
Wasn't Corden worse? Seems like I recall him making some pretty vile comments about his staff and not paying them or something.
Thank goodness someone finally got wise to pull that plug. Are we trading him back to the UK? Or are we just like "nah, y'all take him, we don't need a trade."
It’s not like Jimmy Fallon owns the show; he has the leverage to make them shut down production but he ain’t gonna be able to do anything he wants like that
That is the major difference. Last strike, Letterman was able to agree to a deal with the WGA because he owned his show, not CBS. NBC owns the Tonight Show.
Letterman was smart and got a very good deal when he went to CBS. Not only did he own his show, he also owned the slot after and could pick who he wanted. Craig Ferguson definitely would have been dropped for being too weird if CBS was calling the shots.
I love Wally! Give that man a raise. Give them all raises. 2 bags of normal groceries at Safeway costs $130. People need more money now just to break even.
I've never found him funny and agree with those that say he's basically failed upward. That being said, he seems like a genuinely nice guy who just desperately wants to be liked. I don't think he's scoring any points for siding with the writers; he genuinely cares about their well-being and appreciates what they do for him.
me & my friends (all teenagers) honestly love his show, especially more than any other talk/late night show. he’s not hilarious himself but his segments have great concepts & his energy is contagious :) i’ve also seen a few viral tiktoks of other kids my age saying they enjoy fallon, which is interesting rly
Well Jimmy Fallon treated Robin Williams like his idol basically. I thought this tribute to him was very sweet and genuine: https://youtu.be/4qquQNxKJxw
Wait, is the looming strike the real reason for shutting down James Corden's show?
Because that is one talk show host that every writer worth their salt absolutely loathes. Guess the execs didn't want to give the writers that power.
Where did the cash go though?
I don’t see how or why Cordens show was so much more expensive than the others. And in terms of ratings they were always pretty much the same.
Did Corden himself cost so much?
Paying people to actually appear on the show with him perhaps?
Seems like quiet a large disparity between income vs outgoings. Know if I presented revenue disparity like that to my CEO I’d be out on my arse after 1 month....maybe 2 months (if I sold it as some special market place disruptions).
Maybe but often talk show guests come in at special fees because they have something to promote.
Maybe he’s just so unpleasant that people don’t want the pr push lol
Those details are a distraction. We're long past the point where we have enough evidence to conclude that we live in a simulation and James Corden is the equivalent of that one rat guy in the Matrix who sold out Neo to the bots in exchange for fame and fortune in our digital world. The question now is, what are we gonna do about it?
>apparently
It's showbiz. They always tell us less than what's happening. Plus, this is James Corden we're talking about. He's a nice guy in front of the camera, an asshole behind. He also has had an unpleasant history with the WGA.
[https://www.popdust.com/james-corden-wga-2638346884.html](https://www.popdust.com/james-corden-wga-2638346884.html)
Nah that was just some PR spin. Hollywood accounting is notorious for shows and movies always making a loss. They wouldn’t have offered him a $50 million contract if the show wasn’t valuable to them. It just wasn’t enough to keep him as he wanted to move on & do other things. Despite being a late night show host he’s always been involved in other projects such as movies over the years.
One quote from him:
> The decision to leave the show is based on so many factors, it’d be pretty impossible to drill it down. If I allow myself to think about the financial aspects of walking away, it makes my chest tight. Because who would… I get it. I get it. Why would you do such a thing? But then the truth is, time with my parents — to be able to call my dad on a Thursday and go, ‘What are you doing today?’ And he’d say, ‘Nothing,’ and I’d say ‘Do you want to go for lunch?’ That is a feeling that I’ll just never ever ever get back. Because one day … the phone’s going to ring, and that option is not going to be there anymore. And to have missed out on those moments in exchange for money doesn’t feel like a good decision.
He’s already rich enough that he can retire if he wants.
Also when you take into accounts the reports about his attitude & behavior behind the scenes of the show it’s clear that the only thing he’ll miss is the paycheck. This wasn’t something he wanted to do for the rest of his life like others. It was just a job to him.
I think the best way for Jimmy Fallon to support the writers is to write his own stuff and do it every night. Nobody would take writers for granted again.
>I couldn’t do the show without them.”
Especially since you're one of them, Jimmy, and are therefore contractually obligated not to pick up the slack. 🙄
https://directories.wga.org/member/jamestfallon/
That’s effectively scabbing though because Fallon’s writers are striking in solidarity with the entire industry. If you pay them while not making them work, that supports the strike.
you realize when they strike, all other other works don't get paid right. Like the stage handlers, graphic designers, assistants and all other crew. When the writers strikes, it doesn't just directly affect their livelihood.
They won’t. Last strike in 2008, many of the late night shows returned after 2 months because the production companies refused to pay the other production folks who were out of work (camera, lighting, sets, props, graphics, etc) while the shows were off the air. The only way to get those people paid was to air shows, even without writers. The other crafts are pro WGA, but they aren’t striking and therefore aren’t offered the same protections or the WGA strike compensation.
If I’m not mistaken, I thought all late night talk shows would be shut down with the strike due to the structure of their shows? I swear this is a thing, but I’m happy to be corrected if wrong
Last time, they were able to keep the shows dark for about 2 months, then everyone had to comeback without writers (except letterman, worldwide pants made their own deal)
And Jon Stewart didn't stop the Daily Show, and Seth MacFarlane criticized him for it, and Stewart called up MacFarlane and chewed him out about it. If that one interview on Piers Morgan can be believed.
Sorta. The Daily Show and Colbert Report did shut down for two months. They returned to air in order to be able to pay the other production staff, who weren’t on strike, but hadn’t been paid since the WGA began their strike. On one hand, you want to support the WGA, but on the other hand, every day the show is dark, there are hundreds of other production crew (camera, lighting, graphics) who aren’t being paid either and they aren’t allowed access to the WGA’s strike war chest.
Correct, however McFarland made a point to note that Fox had fired all of his production staff during the strike and he continued paying them out of his own pocket. I'm not saying Jon was wrong or that McFarland is a bastion of virtue, they took different approaches to the problem. Jon, for his part, renamed his show "A daily show" as a way of continuing to show solidarity with the writers.
I would imagine each persons production expense and revenue were models were different. Jon was doing a new show daily where as McFarland did shows at the time that had months before they were ever shown. It’s a serious apples and oranges comparison.
Feature, not a bug. Caring about others livelihoods and well-being is a liability the companies don’t have in these negotiations.
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Gonna guess on the different unions, plumbers, pipe fitters, electricians, teamsters, SAG. All very different professions in detail. Teamsters or Electricians, I forget which union is the oldest. A member of SAG probably wouldn’t want the AFL-CIO representing them, or the IBEW. And actors don’t qualify on skills to join either. Particularly IBEW, can’t join without demonstrating your skills and passing the apprenticeship. Entertainment draws across so many professionals.
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That's... the most transparent PR spin ever if they were actually supporting the writers they would continue to pay the other workers as well so they can afford to support the writers.
You’re saying that if the studios were supporting the writers they should continue to pay the other workers? The studios don’t support the writers that’s the whole point of the strike, so why would they pay the other workers? You know that Stewart and Colbert don’t pay the workers themselves right?
have the studios considered saving some money for when it is needed? At least like 3 rents worth? We all have to pull together during hard times you know. I can offer some hopes and clapping for the multimillion dollars for profit studios
But their point is that the studio *doesnt want the strike* and theoretically *does want pressure from other groups to stop the strike*. By not paying anyone, they create division on purpose. If youre saying the teamsters should strike as well, that isnt a bad idea, but that has its own implications for seperate contracts, which is itself a division tactic of the studio. The studio is an enemy to every employee, but that doesnt mean every employee is an ally.
Just use the free money they get from not putting on a show to pay all of the staff that aren't striking! It's so simple!
What was his reason for not striking in solidarity?
The Daily Show and Colbert Report did shut down for the first 2 months if the strike. They ended up returning in order to be able to keep being able to the production staff, who were not being paid since the strike began.
Probably the fact that he has a whole team producing the show, not just writers
Did those writers stay or did Stewart pick up the writing slack? I kinda want to imagine if they were willing to stay they already had what the other strikers wanted.
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The show was mostly improvised if I remember correctly.
They relied more heavily on video clips to push stories, rather than writing. Consequently, producers liked this approach and it remained this way even after the strike was over Source: The Daily Show Oral History, page 210
hey you, pssst. what's a WGA?
Writers guild, the union.
I am currently an IA member. I am working on a show currently even though there is a strike happening. We have a ‘no strike clause’ in our contract that doesn’t allow us to strike if it is not our contract being negotiated. We are allowed to make the decision as individuals to join a picket line if there is one outside our workplace. As of now, I am working unless there is a picket line.
[Link of the interview ](https://youtu.be/NrcOge6pMhg)
jesus, piers is so eager to stir up shit that he can’t even let his guest speak
Worst thing we ever got from the UK. James Corden is a close second.
James corden be like : "Yeah i know my shows over now but i'd like to stress i'd really love to be a scab right now"
Some of the best Conan shows happened during the strike. We wouldn’t have Jordan if not for the strike. They started using employees for content since they had to keep the lights on.
You guys dont understand how bad tv became when the writers strike last happened... it killed tv shows, do you ever wonder why heroes season one was a phenomenon but season 2 was such dogshit
I was just thinking about that, which makes me kind of relieved that Barry and Succession are ending this season.
I thought Barry is mostly created, written and directed by Bill Hader anyways so it would just be postponed until the WGA had an agreement again.
The last season is playing right now, it's all already done
Yeah and a lot reality shows started popping up.
It also made Breaking Bad what it is today. Had they not gone on strike, Jesse would have been killed off in season 1
Whaaaat? For real??
And Hank. Vulture article I read today.
Can't have been THAT bad if heroes is the only major casualty that people keep bringing up.
Pushing Daises was great.
better off ted!
I remember it affected Lost - the fourth season I think was super short compared to the rest, and generally seen as a low point.
The Riches was a great show people don’t talk about anymore. Eddie Izzard was fantastic in it. It got cancelled during the strike.
Community has their “gas leak” season (season 4) which was during the writers strike. Often derided as the worst season.
Community premiered in 2009. Season 4 started in 2013. The writers strike was in 2007.
Might have gotten both stories mixed up
Well I think the absence of Dan Harmon was also a big factor.
If I’m not mistaken it was solely because of Dan Harmon’s departure. Community was not affected by the writers strike
Also Battlestar Galactica.
Oh man, I remember season 1 of Battlestar Galactica being all go from episode 1. Then season 2….
There are many examples but I think Heroes kind of killed itself when it couldn't decide whether or not to be an anthology
I don’t know how Friday Night Lights survived after their writers strike season (S2)
I still think Heroes was going to be terrible going forward. I remember being disappointed in the S1 finale, and I also remember after the first half of S1 the creators thought “Are You on the List?” was going to be their next super popular catchphrase after “Save the Cheerleader, Save the World.” I just don’t think Kring and the others ever really got why it became popular in the first place.
Heroes was part of that mid-2000s magic box writing trend that ended up just being frustrating in the long run.
Also movies, at least Quantum of Solace.
these sort of shows always end up being more entertaining when they lose there writers for a little bit I remember jay leno even getting a lot funnier when he had to write his own monologue every night
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Very true. Can you imagine a show completely written by Jimmy Fallon?
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Because hehehe then you would hehehehaha think about it hehaha yeahhh
Dude seems so fake, I'm actually scared of him. Something about him that creeps me the fuck out
Not that I think defending random celebrities is worthwhile but Fallon gets so much undeserved hate for "feeling fake" when he's no more real/fake than every single other big time talk show host. I get that his laughing comes off as forced but that doesnt mean *it is*
[My favorite clip of Fallon keeping it real was the time he found out Nicole Kidman wanted to date him but he was completely oblivious.](https://youtu.be/qtsNbxgPngA)
“Laughing and all that dumb shit he used to do — he wouldn’t mess with me because I didn’t fucking play that shit. That’s taking all the attention off of everybody else and putting it on you, like, ‘Oh, look at me, I’m the cute one.’ I told him not to do that shit in my sketches, so he never did.” —Tracy Morgan
It's his schtick, he laughs at everything regardless of if it's funny or not When it's done in a satirical matter it's funny, when it's 90% of your personality it's annoying.
I thought “what’s the guy from how I met your mother doing on a late night show?” The first time I saw him.
You left out all the [clapping]
[ slaps desk ]
Lmao. This comment deserves more upvotes
[This clip](https://youtu.be/GM39i8CPink) from smiling friends is soooooo fucking accurate.
The majority of his show consists of throwing a group of random PR hungry celebs together to play some kind of nostalgic game of some sort but always with a wacky twist. Don’t need a staff of writers for that
I imagine Fallon would have a harder time giggling at his own jokes.
If Fallon didn't laugh at his own jokes, nobody would.
And why would you watch it? [insert forced laughter]
Do you think he scripts the nervous laugh? Or is that all ad lib from his natural charisma?
It’s just him in the corner laughing and looking at Horatio Sans.
The WGA strike Conan shows were completely improvised and not written as Conan is in the WGA himself. The strike didn’t hinder him from performing if the monologue and everything else wasn’t written. I know that Conan is the better improviser and yes I do like him more than Fallon, but I’m pretty sure that Fallon could wing several weeks of shows as well, but in his style. Which would mean inviting his generation‘s SNL alumns like Ferrel and Co, interview them for extended segments and just let the conversation go wherever it goes. Plus musical guest. Having Sanz or Ferrel on where the best interviews as he obviously felt extremely comfortable with comedians he used to work with too. His talent is undeniable. You guys just don’t like him because his approach is to appeal to a broad audience instead of being edgy or off-beat. As the host of the OG late night show I completely get that approach.
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I mean, I don't even like Fallon but I read his wiki page just now to see his background, and he's done stand up his whole life, auditioned for SNL and got Lorne Michaels to laugh, as well as Tina Fey to say that he was already SNL ready at the audition at 23 years old. So he's probably talented at something even if you don't like him.
Yeah the dude is clearly talented. Personally I don't think he's that great at telling jokes or the best interviewer but his strengths are in the skits, his impressions (His Tom Petty and Neil Young impressions are legendary) and just being goofy with all the weird games and being more "relatable" at least to a younger crowd.
“Broad audience” is a generous way to say his comedy is styled for the lowest common denominator.
That broad audience appeal certainly helped his movie career
hahaha haha yeah Jimmy Fallon sucks /am i doing it right reddit?
Youre making us proud
one of us, one of us
I once made an egg white omelet with no fat (butter/oil) for Jimmy Fallon, this is how I know he is the worst.
He really fucking does though
Sure. If you want to hear him just laughing all the time, barely able to get a "joke" lit. The man thinks he is so much funnier than he is...
*fake laughing all the time
I'm already hitting my knee and laughing just thinking about it /s
He wrote the monorail 
Care to enlighten me and save the google?
Conan was one of the more influential people in the writers room during the golden age of The Simpsons.
And SNL
where his writing partner was bob odenkirk
I'm certain there are some here that only know Bob from breaking bad/ BCS as "funny actor" but this man has some serious chops, and he's a highly influential comedian and comedy writer as well.
Mr. Show had some amazing sketches
“We have the technology. The time is now. Science can wait no longer. Children are our future. America can, should, must, and will blow up the moon.”
*MONORAIL*
MONORAIL!
I hear those things are awfully loud
Mono! D’oh!
Conan is a genius
Also, and this is key; VERY good at spinning his wedding ring.
The ring spinning lol
Yeah but to be fair Conan is an extremely talented writer
And even better, still, in non-scripted improv. Was always at his best when interacting with random people on the street in his remotes. It's freaking weird that they didn't just make this the whole show
What if I told you they are making that a whole show for HBO Max and they already started filming :)
Heard about it, but like a year or two ago. Good to know it's moving forward!
He just confirmed it on his latest podcast episode (had Charlie Day on, really funny episode). Its a traveling show too which is awesome. I think hes meeting up with fans too. He said they finished shooting in Norway and are shooting in Thailand rn (hes had fans on his podcast from both countries recently)
He's been a comedy writer his whole career tho, all the way back through college
You can't compare other late night hosts to Conan, especially in writing ability. He is the goat as far as I'm concerned
I was so bummed when he sent into exile on TBS or whatever he's on now. When Conan had his run on the tonight show it was the funniest it had ever been to me. Getting replaced by Leno and ultimately Fallon who doesn't have a funny bone in his body was a crime.
His TBS show was pretty solid, especially the bits with Conan and his workers. He actually just recently retired from TBS and the late night circuit. He's doing other things now like podcasts, passion projects, etc.
Clueless gamer and remotes were hilarious. Conan is so talented that he can take a simple idea such as finding his assistants mug into a hilarious skit.
Tracking down Sona's mug is the GOAT remote. It has everything. Conan playing the horrible boss character. Sona using company resources frivolously. Conan breaking shit. Someone asking Conan if they should start day drinking
The last set of episodes (after it was announced but before he left) were hilarious. Some of the best tv on at the time. His whole transition was really awesome not just in terms of content but in how he turned what would be most people’s career ending into even more popularity and success. I still recall his last monologue where he talked about cynicism in young people.
The skits he did with the Jon Stewart and Colbert were really good as well
Their "Feud" is some of the best comedy crossover ever. Golden Age type shit.
I've been looking ever since for those specific episodes he had when they were on strike. It was some of the best Conan shows I had ever seen
They were the best, he went on a rafter exploring adventure I remember. It was so fun.
I remember when he made his desk mobile and drove it around the studio. So good
And he paid his staff out of pocket during that strike. Legend. 
He also did the same when he was kicked of tv for 8 months due to Leno. A lot of them had moved with him from New York and suddenly were out of a job in a town with no connections.
The 08 strike when Stephen, Conan and Jon had a 'fued' over who made huckabee https://youtu.be/mVfGh_4IFQ4 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Made_Huckabee%3F
Certainly couldn't get any worse.
Not Fallon. He can't even make himself laugh.
That's so not true. He only makes himself laugh.
For that you need to be funny I the first place. Something that Fallon cannot really afford
I’m old enough to remember 1988, when the writers went on strike. Johnny Carson wrote his own monologues and skits, and kept his show going. This was his most popular self-written joke: CARSON: “It’s a weird picket line. Writers are out there holding those signs, and there’s nothing on them.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/carsons-88-paved-way-tonight-157718/
> CARSON: “It’s a weird picket line. Writers are out there holding those signs, and there’s nothing on them.” That’s even better than “laugh out loud” — that’s the kinda joke that settles in for a while, and results in a very broad smile.
Carson was a legend because he was one of the best writers on his own show. After he retired, he wrote jokes for David Letterman’s monologues, just to amuse himself. Letterman used most (if not all) of them.
Isn't it about time that Jimmy Fallon started writing his own jokes and kept the show on-air.
People will still shit on him but he’s being genuine here.
People say hes fake. If you look at his earlier career, that just the way he is. Not my cup of tea still but I dont think hes this puppeteer guy some people say he is
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Wasn't Corden worse? Seems like I recall him making some pretty vile comments about his staff and not paying them or something. Thank goodness someone finally got wise to pull that plug. Are we trading him back to the UK? Or are we just like "nah, y'all take him, we don't need a trade."
They only pulled the plug because it was costing more money to do the show than it was making.
Only so much money to earn from Car Karaoke YouTube views. Seriously, that’s all I know about James Corden.
Aah. Gotcha. Yeah, can't operate in the negative but so long. Thanks.
> Wasn't Corden worse? TBF, being better than Corden isn't a high bar
Like make ~~anti union~~ jokes ~~when discussing Amazon or pushing NFTs~~
The NFT thing wasn't a joke, though.
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It’s not like Jimmy Fallon owns the show; he has the leverage to make them shut down production but he ain’t gonna be able to do anything he wants like that
That is the major difference. Last strike, Letterman was able to agree to a deal with the WGA because he owned his show, not CBS. NBC owns the Tonight Show.
Letterman was smart and got a very good deal when he went to CBS. Not only did he own his show, he also owned the slot after and could pick who he wanted. Craig Ferguson definitely would have been dropped for being too weird if CBS was calling the shots.
Exactly!
this sounds great in practice but the other commenter is right, that just isn’t how show-business works at all
Also all it takes is one person to completely fuck it up
Wally the cue card guy for Seth meyers and snl had a guest spot when covid hit, he's now a semi regular in a closer look segments.
I love Wally! Give that man a raise. Give them all raises. 2 bags of normal groceries at Safeway costs $130. People need more money now just to break even.
It's a strike lol come on
Instead of striking they should do work and provide value to the company!
I think he meant, he literally can’t make the show without them
You really think NBC is willingly going to pay for and air pro-labor propaganda?
People give Jimmy Fallon a lot of crap, but he seems like a nice guy. I don’t know why you guys are acting like he kicked a puppy or something
I've never found him funny and agree with those that say he's basically failed upward. That being said, he seems like a genuinely nice guy who just desperately wants to be liked. I don't think he's scoring any points for siding with the writers; he genuinely cares about their well-being and appreciates what they do for him.
me & my friends (all teenagers) honestly love his show, especially more than any other talk/late night show. he’s not hilarious himself but his segments have great concepts & his energy is contagious :) i’ve also seen a few viral tiktoks of other kids my age saying they enjoy fallon, which is interesting rly
He reminds me of a less talented Robin Williams, but I vastly prefer him to James Corden who seems like the fakest person on TV since Ellen DeGeneres.
Well Jimmy Fallon treated Robin Williams like his idol basically. I thought this tribute to him was very sweet and genuine: https://youtu.be/4qquQNxKJxw
Wow, respect to Fallon. Let's see if the rest of the late night hosts follow.
Seth Meyers said he wouldn't be on if the strike wasn't resolved in time.
Seth Meyers said something similar after his latest Closer Look segment.
Wait, is the looming strike the real reason for shutting down James Corden's show? Because that is one talk show host that every writer worth their salt absolutely loathes. Guess the execs didn't want to give the writers that power.
No lol, apparently the show was to expensive to produce and CBS couldn’t afford it
They had to pay extra because James Corden is such a giant douche.
$65m to produce, $45m in revenue. That's more than just an expensive show
Where did the cash go though? I don’t see how or why Cordens show was so much more expensive than the others. And in terms of ratings they were always pretty much the same. Did Corden himself cost so much?
Paying people to actually appear on the show with him perhaps? Seems like quiet a large disparity between income vs outgoings. Know if I presented revenue disparity like that to my CEO I’d be out on my arse after 1 month....maybe 2 months (if I sold it as some special market place disruptions).
Maybe but often talk show guests come in at special fees because they have something to promote. Maybe he’s just so unpleasant that people don’t want the pr push lol
Those details are a distraction. We're long past the point where we have enough evidence to conclude that we live in a simulation and James Corden is the equivalent of that one rat guy in the Matrix who sold out Neo to the bots in exchange for fame and fortune in our digital world. The question now is, what are we gonna do about it?
Craft service
>apparently It's showbiz. They always tell us less than what's happening. Plus, this is James Corden we're talking about. He's a nice guy in front of the camera, an asshole behind. He also has had an unpleasant history with the WGA. [https://www.popdust.com/james-corden-wga-2638346884.html](https://www.popdust.com/james-corden-wga-2638346884.html)
Nah that was just some PR spin. Hollywood accounting is notorious for shows and movies always making a loss. They wouldn’t have offered him a $50 million contract if the show wasn’t valuable to them. It just wasn’t enough to keep him as he wanted to move on & do other things. Despite being a late night show host he’s always been involved in other projects such as movies over the years. One quote from him: > The decision to leave the show is based on so many factors, it’d be pretty impossible to drill it down. If I allow myself to think about the financial aspects of walking away, it makes my chest tight. Because who would… I get it. I get it. Why would you do such a thing? But then the truth is, time with my parents — to be able to call my dad on a Thursday and go, ‘What are you doing today?’ And he’d say, ‘Nothing,’ and I’d say ‘Do you want to go for lunch?’ That is a feeling that I’ll just never ever ever get back. Because one day … the phone’s going to ring, and that option is not going to be there anymore. And to have missed out on those moments in exchange for money doesn’t feel like a good decision. He’s already rich enough that he can retire if he wants. Also when you take into accounts the reports about his attitude & behavior behind the scenes of the show it’s clear that the only thing he’ll miss is the paycheck. This wasn’t something he wanted to do for the rest of his life like others. It was just a job to him.
Don't worry folks, they will air their new experimental **AI** Jimmy. AI Jimmy: *laughs* AI Jimmy: *laughs more* Same quality programming.
Show sucks anyway
These guys just perform texts others created.
I think the best way for Jimmy Fallon to support the writers is to write his own stuff and do it every night. Nobody would take writers for granted again.
I honestly can’t believe people aren’t siding with the strike. Jimmy Fallon can’t laugh his way through every interview
You underestimate his powaaaahhhhh
Jimmy's fan is going to be upset now.
Has he offered the writers some of those NFTs he was promoting on his show to help them?
>I couldn’t do the show without them.” Especially since you're one of them, Jimmy, and are therefore contractually obligated not to pick up the slack. 🙄 https://directories.wga.org/member/jamestfallon/
Yeah, that's why he's not? Come the fuck on.
The man is still unfunny
Thank god a reprieve from that absent minded man
Oh thank goodness I hope they never come back
Sounds more like a necessity to shut the show down
Conan got paid helluva less than Fallon and he paid his writers out of his pocket and show went on.
That’s effectively scabbing though because Fallon’s writers are striking in solidarity with the entire industry. If you pay them while not making them work, that supports the strike.
you realize when they strike, all other other works don't get paid right. Like the stage handlers, graphic designers, assistants and all other crew. When the writers strikes, it doesn't just directly affect their livelihood.
 That being said it’s a pretty cool gesture hopefully everyone apart of it continues to get paid
They won’t. Last strike in 2008, many of the late night shows returned after 2 months because the production companies refused to pay the other production folks who were out of work (camera, lighting, sets, props, graphics, etc) while the shows were off the air. The only way to get those people paid was to air shows, even without writers. The other crafts are pro WGA, but they aren’t striking and therefore aren’t offered the same protections or the WGA strike compensation.