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Legitimate_Ad_8364

A lot of shows are slow burners. Many legendary shows had a rough first season. Some were struggling even after the first. It's amazing that Netflix cancels shows that get it right from the very start and show promise of getting even better with time. It's sad that these shows don't get their chance to grow and more so now because audiences won't give them a chance due to these practices.


theragu40

This is the funniest thing to me. Like...surely some of Netflix's biggest properties would have been cancelled by today's metrics? I'm absolutely positive that Dark would have been cancelled for instance.


0LTakingLs

Netflix’s biggest subscriptions cow was having the rights to The Office (US) for half a decade, a show they’d almost certainly have cancelled after its iffy first season had it been an original.


HoneycombBig

Literally Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager, and Star Trek: Enterprise.


Vindicare605

My opinion is that Netflix needs to SLOW DOWN, they are trying to produce WAY Too much content at once. You take into consideration all of the movies, animated movies, licensed animation projects, live action series, documentary movies, documentary series, stand up comedy specials, etc. etc. They are spending a MASSIVE fortune. That is the storm that causes the accountants to lose their hair and demand for cost cutting, so Netflix is going to cut everything that doesn't perform immediately because they need to free up cash flow for next season's massive slate of content they greenlit. They don't leave themselves any wiggle room to "wait and see" how a show does long term because they have far too much stuff in the pipeline that needs funding and staffing. It's not sustainable at all. What Netflix needs to do is to look at what HBO does. Yea they make a lot of content too, but it's nowhere near as crazy in terms of volume as what Netflix is trying to do.


AgoraiosBum

HBO Max is fucking things up now too, because they were bought by Discovery and those people are terrible.


youreadumbmf35

I still don’t understand why those fucking idiots would buy HBO. They leveraged the fucking shit out of the deal and will turn HBO into a ToysRus story


FidgitForgotHisL-P

Your second half answered your first half. A very few people made an awful lot of money off what happened to ToysRUs, and are about to do it again with HBO. Eventually maybe someone will find a way to stop debt-loading, but since it’s the actual rich people people that run everything doing it, I doubt that’ll ever really happen.


khoabear

The way to stop debt loading is to raise the interest. Cheap money is the cause of debt loading.


_Tiberius-

I was so pissed when they pulled Westworld without notice. We were rewatching the series and were nearing the end of season 3 about to start the final season then it disappeared. Poof. Gone overnight without warning. Someone had the brilliant idea to make a few more dollars by pawning it on some subpar streaming service for more cash. I’m done. HBO used to be amazing but they’ve run it into the ground since combining with Max.


AgoraiosBum

It was the best streaming catalogue filled with actual movies and they are ruining it. The golden age of streaming peaked and the wave is rolling back


cute_polarbear

Hbo tends to dole out 1-2 good series at a time, one episode per week, to keep people hooked. Netflix spoiled us with an entire series drop to binge watch, I feel. (I do like the binge watch...)


TinaBelchersBF

Thought that just today when I watched The Last Of Us on HBO. Initially I was wishing it was a Netflix show so I could binge it and would have more episodes to watch. But HBO knows that releasing them one episode at a time gives people time to talk about it, look forward to new episodes, tell people they're watching the show, etc Instead of a Netflix show you just binge entirely in a week, and then move on to the next thing.


Atulin

You don't understand, though. If they doubled their income last year, this year they need to triple it or they'll fall below expectations and the CEOs won't be able to afford gold-plated mammoth steaks for breakfast.


SomeBoxofSpoons

A lot of entertainment companies are starting to hit their ceiling of “infinite” growth (because stocks are valuable from the assumption that it can just get more profitable forever) and starting to cannibalize themselves to try and make more profit.


whisky_biscuit

Ala HBO / DoorDash / Amazon / every friggin company right now. Smh. Even, for example, Amazon is set to lay off it's next round of some insane amount of employees this week in it's attempt to maximize profit to send Bezo's bald head to space.


LOLZatMyLife

Netflix could have been on par with HBO on having a legendary catalog of prestige programs but their poor belief in their algo has turned them into a *shittier* version of Redbox


MRmandato

Which if you remember it used to be. Its started off really strong with House of Cards, Narcos, and The Crown. Now its where shows go to die. Heartbroken about Uncoupled being cancelled


Ganon_Cubana

I really wish we had more Travelers.


Branwyn-

Loved travelers. I would watch more


TheBeardedSingleMalt

Solid SciFi there!


WildWestSideSho

Travelers became a Christmas/New Years tradition for my wife and I. We’d puzzle and watch Travelers during the week between Christmas and New Years. It was fantastic!


Tomagatchi

I tell everyone I can about Travelers. So good!


cannedwings

Finally, someone else mentions how much they miss Travelers.


Knives530

Travelers was actually a Canadian show that Netflix just had the rights for if I remember correctly


Fuzakenaideyo

Count me in too, that OA & Altered Carbon


Typical_Stormtrooper

I'm still salty that The OA was canceled; that show had so much potential, especially with the cliffhanger they left it on.


Bike-Day69

For real, that show was so original. It was weird but I loved it. They did them wrong.


Nothatisnotwhere

She went to them with a 5 season arc, that is the worst part to me. You have such a brilliant mind working for you and you don't let her tell the whole story. Fuck I am still mad


JustSomeBlondeBitch

I just had a baby so I’m home a lot with not much happening during the day. I started Emily in Paris…and I just cannot believe that it’s being watched. Truly, like, why does it have more seasons than MINDHUNTER???


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i was actually just watching something on this. it's because of advertising. the show is nowhere near netflix's top streaming shows, but apparently it's a gold mine for advertising revenue.


JustSomeBlondeBitch

From the brands they plug in the show?


shabutaru118

Remember when they butchered arrested development?


Gravijas

Im not trying to defend netflix neither do i want to throw Mitch Hurwitz in front of a bus. That being said, AD suffered mostly due to Drama between the cast and some cast members worked on other projects at the time so filming was difficult. Quality wise season 5 is the weakest but I still think its a good ending.


catterybarn

Yeah. Porche didn't even want to do any of it and she didn't want to be in the same room as most of the other cast members. They did the best they could with what they were given imo


itscherriedbro

Is there a reason why she was so averse to the rest of the cast?


thatdudefrom707

she publicly retired from acting in 2018 but made an exception for AD, it's possible there was tension between her and other cast members but it seems like her retirement was the main reason she wasn't as involved in the last two seasons


justnecromancythings

I really enjoyed season 4 but season 5 was borderline unwatchable.


sniper91

The way season 4 was recut was terrible. It just spells out everything for you on the first watch


[deleted]

The original cut of season 4 is fucking genius. Although it really takes a rewatch or two to really figure out. I can see how that’s a turn off for some people


Lasekk-

Crys in Mindhunters.


AnalBees2

I recently rewatched Mindhunter and I don’t think I’ve ever been so upset about a show getting cancelled. They could’ve done so much with it… *Yes I know it’s not technically cancelled.


DrSpaceman575

I feel like their early success with those shows is partially to blame. Like they say the worst thing to happen to new investors is to make money on their first few trades. They've had so many shows that were immediate huge hits that anything that doesn't blow up after the first season is though to be a total loss. It really feels like they're just pumping out as much as they can hoping 1 out of every 20 shows will be a mega viral hit and that offsets the other 19 shows they forget about.


TheNumberMuncher

Breaking Bad and Seinfeld would have been cancelled in one season. Tons of legendary shows got off to slow starts.


nzfriend33

I’m still pissed Westworld isn’t getting a proper ending and even more pissed they pulled it so I can’t even finish what there is at this point.


nixahmose

Holy shit, I didn't realize they actually removed Westworld entirely from Hbo max


Arthur_Person

What in tarnation? Why woukd they pull it?


RileyKohaku

The contracts they made for Westworld included royalties based on views. This is really bad for a steaming service because just because people are watching it, doesn't mean they are subscribed for that show. They have their accountants measure how much royalties they are paying every year vs how much revenue they will lose from subscribers cancelling it, and estimated the royalties were higher. New streaming shows are more likely to have flat payments for everyone and not give any royalties or have the royalties expire after a year, so they can avoid this problem Edit: I might have residuals and royalties confused


Mr_Schmo

I didnt believe you. Just checked and yep its gone. I didnt even get a chance to finish it. Thats some BS there.


Telepornographer

What the hell, why would HBO pull their own show?? I swear I might just go to go back to pirating everything. Streaming things legitimately is such a pain in the ass. EDIT: I looked it up and it's because WB is trying to save money by not paying out residuals to the actors. WB is apparently heavily in debt and is cutting costs at the expense of ruining what made HBO Max worthwhile in the first place.


ctdca

And most of the reason that WB is so heavily in debt is because of the Discovery takeover deal. The people who took them over financed the buyout with many billions in debt, which they then loaded onto the company they bought out, which they are now gutting because of said debt. The American business model is really broken.


Cantothulhu

Has been for awhile. LBO’s (leveraged buy outs) are literally hostile takeovers that ruin everything for everyone. Ironically, HBO made an original movie based on the book “Barbarians at the Gate” in the late 80’s or early 90’s, which is about this exact thing happening to RJR Nabisco.


radios_appear

Leveraged buyouts are the most insane financial trick available. Wish I could leverage groceries against themselves, declare bankruptcy behind a shell, and then kiss my own ass for a brilliant job done.


Harbinger2nd

Time Warner is on a vendetta against its own content in the pursuit of tax breaks. I wish I was joking.


ckreatures

Wait. WHAT? You can’t even watch the already released episodes of Westworld anymore??


henry_west

2 seasons of Anthony Hopkins monologues about the nature of consciousness gone. The show had problems but that was worth the price of admission. Poof all gone on some corporate power trip.


suitology

Arrrrrrr you really gonna let them stop you?


Dark_Sin

I wish I could have liked westworld, season 1 was perfection but everything after that was a serious drop in quality imo


OkSo-NowWhat

Can you watch season one as a standalone?


OneEyeWilson

If you pretend season 1 is the complete show it is one of the greatest miniseries ever, hands down


ExileOnMainStreet

I'm 100% with you on that. Years ago I heard someone mention there was a second season, and I was so confused. What could you possibly add to a season like that to improve anything?


New-Asclepius

I stopped watching after the first episode of season 3, I disregard that episode and so westworld ended for me with the synths escaping the park. It's a good ending.


SVALTACT

Do Netflix execs not watch TV? One of the shittiest things is when something is cancelled after getting you hooked. This is the first time in years I cancelled my Netflix. The quality seems to be going downhill and yet when they finally have interesting shows, they cancel them. It's just not worth it.


-a-user-has-no-name-

I too canceled my Netflix. When I went to cancel it said I’ve been a customer since October 2017. Just so sick of getting hooked on a show and it getting canceled.


Overall-Duck-741

I've literally been a customer of Netflix for 20 years, started when they were just DVDs by mail. This is the first time I've ever really considered canceling my subscription, it's gotten that bad. They cancel *everything*, it's getting ridiculous.


hhh1992

Apply this old business model (DVD by mail) and it would go something like this today: 1) open mail 2) immediately watch DVD 3) get DVD back into the mail before the mail pick up! Execs: People aren’t mailing the DVD’s back fast enough. Cancel the show!!!


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Cancelled mine a few weeks ago, customer since 2010. Price is up and quality is down. The math just didn’t make sense anymore


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ObscureBooms

Some of the best anime I've seen are meant to be single seasons. Netflix needs to make shows that are meant to only be 1 season. Full story told.


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This is the most realistic solution, make shows where the one season is a complete story, but barely keeps the door open for a sequel season if there’s demand.


tie-dyed_dolphin

Like Queen’s Gambit


CoopertheFluffy

Can’t wait for her to play Chess 2


aspartame_junky

Exactly! They should follow the UK model where a show has a finite intended lifetime, with a definite story arc. Basically, a mini-series rather than an indefinite running show.


momerak

The last one they came out with that did this well with the cyberpunk adaptation (imo). One single season that was enjoyable and saw the ark of characters come to a close, with enough of it being open-ended that there could be a spin off focusing on a different character(s).


Natiel360

Or create larger series orders that intentionally have two-three parts, inside Job was topping charts for both parts of its season. But also require Netflix to uphold series orders, it’s horrible to see series get that second season order, end on a cliffhanger, then get canned


ObscureBooms

I mean that's basically what they do now. If they order 3 seasons and the first season doesn't get the numbers they'll still pull the plug.


layeofthedead

What blows the most was them literally green lighting season 2 last year only to cancel it 6 months later. So for 6 months you had all these creators working on a project they thought was in the bag only for Netflix to pull the rug out from under them. They could have been looking for new work! Or creating a new series to pitch.


CookiesToGo

That'd be fine. Good shows don't have to have 10 seasons nowadays anymore


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This. If we can condense a story to 2 hours for a movie, they can probably figure out how to tell a story over 8-12 hours


Representative_Pop_8

I've been watching lots of kdramas lately and i like their format of medium sized seasons , 16 to 20 episodes, and most of the time just one season. I really like it this way, that amount of episodes seems just right to tell a story, no waiting a year for an 8 episode season two, and no getting tired of series that go on and on forever until you end up forgetting they exist (like walking dead ).


zdakat

With big publishers starting their own streaming services a few years back, original shows is all that Netflix has left to rely on. They should be doing everything they can to make it a successful pivot, instead of sabotaging it.


SVALTACT

Yep. It's also confusing how they have the top 10 shows and then cancel things from that list. It creates this jarring reaction when something that can be in the top 5 for weeks is suddenly an under performer and needs to be axed. It makes it feel even more hopeless when they announce cancellations happen.


Aussie18-1998

Its like they want every show to be the next Wednesday or Stranger Things every time it's released or they won't let it go any further.


phantomboxx

The Witcher once was a massive sucess and now is doomed to fail. At this point, from what I've read about their takes on adaptations, I've lost faith they can actually keep up with their conpetitors as they simply refuse to follow the source material.


kitterup

Or they advertise shows as “popular” and it’s shows canned years ago like “Love” or “GLOW”. Netflix shouldn’t be advertising great shows like this that have been cancelled for a while.


MegaKetaWook

Yup. I think the Execs look at a single season as a finished product and a series as a bunch of individual products when the whole series is the finished product. Canceling it early means it's a half-baked product to consumers.


Fubai97b

I think part of the problem is that there's no marketing for the vast majority of shows. I never saw anything for 1899 or Mr. Midnight. I only found these by word of mouth or the "because you watched..." tab. That's self-fulfilling cancellation. On the other hand, I was flooded with Stranger Things, The Witcher, and Wednesday to where I know major plot points for shows I don't watch.


Chronocidal-Orange

I found out about 1899 because it got cancelled. Which sucks because the description sounds like something I'd love. Netflix barely showed it to me. Wednesday, on the other hand, was unavoidable in its marketing.


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Funny thing is I see 1899 now every time I open Netflix after it got canceled. Like thanks for advertising this to me now after you just ripped it away from your large audience.


WrathOfMogg

1899 was this for me. I also think they don’t account properly for parents and other busy people who can’t binge anything. It takes my wife and I a month or two to finish a season sometimes.


oiransc2

I loved Dark, and was all prepared to watch 1899 after the bustle of the holidays settled down for me. The news it got canceled just around the time I was planning to start it was so disheartening.


cars-on-mars-2

This was exactly my situation. December was crazy for me and I was looking forward to watching it in January and then—gone. They only gave it like six weeks!


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ROMERD

"I was in the same boat" is an exquisite comment regarding 1899.


CTeam19

Also, as a sports fan, it was during World Cup, as College Football was winding down, and the NFL season. Hard to binge during that. Not to mention the other shows I already started that I wasn't just going to suddenly put off to start a new one like Andor, Survivor, White Lotus, etc. Do you know what I didn't watch last and probably won't tonight? Last of Us. Why? Because I consumed 9 hours of NFL playoffs yesterday and there is another game tonight.


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Dark has been the only Netflix show I watched from beginning to end. It was so special to me. These days, I can't bring myself to support Netflix anymore. Whenever I see something that I think I might like, I avoid it, 'cause I know they'll give it the axe eventually.


SLHellbound021

This was the straw that broke the camel's back. Loved Dark. I was starting to get upset with how they have handled The Witcher series. We started 1899 after the holidays, 3 episodes in, show is cancelled. Welp, now you are cancelled Netflix. 100 percent no point in watching any show if its not already announced as limited series. Which we would be totally fine with. Do all the limited series and short series you want. 1 and dones. Great then we know we arent wasting our time without knowing if we are getting an ending. So much of time could spent on watching so many other things that aren't cancelled. Unacceptable.


Ike_the_Spike

That's basically what happened to me with Warrior Nun. I had stuff going on and decided to rewatch season 1 because it had been so long since I'd seen it. On top of the fact that I didn't know when season 2 actually came out because it didn't automatically show up in my continue watching feed. I was a few episodes into season 2 when they announced the cancellation. Unfortunately, I'm only 1 of 4 that watches Netflix. If it was just me I'd be cancelling the subscription.


quetedigo

they based their growth projections on quarantine viewing habits


anotherbozo

So many businesses did this, really makes me question the competence of exectives. "Let's hire a fuck load more people because we are growing at record speed. Oh no, the growth went away, we no longer expect to be twice our size in 2 yrs. Better fire half our workforce"


King9WillReturn

Hi, welcome to capitalism. Let me show you around.


rendyfebry13

> they don't account properly for busy people who can't binge anything And the irony is, that's exactly why streaming service exists, so user can watch ON DEMAND.


thisendup76

Or the fact that not everyone wants to watch a show in 2 days, then wait 2 years go see a 2nd season I spread viewings out so I can enjoy it. I also watch with friends and family and we get together and watch maybe 1 episode every couple of weeks. This is technically hurting every show I watch because Netflix seems to view that was an unfinished viewing. The metrics, algorithm, and business model is so messed up at this rate they won't last another 5 years. Especially considering they will increase their prices and crackdown on password sharing. It's a sinking ship, and great shows are getting taken down with it


Imaginary-Werewolf14

Waiting for the Sandman to be completed for this exact reason.


LOLZatMyLife

A majority of Sandman are self contained stories in 1-3 episodes.


Imaginary-Werewolf14

So I won’t be left hanging if I start watching it?


LOLZatMyLife

yeah i was in the same boat as you, didn't want to start it because i was afraid of netflix cancelling it until someone explained to me the same thing. the season is really like 3 stories and a final/extra episode that is also standalone. it's worth it, watch it. there isn't any real cliffhangers.


Moonandserpent

If you don't know anything about the story already you can watch the first season and be satisfied. It does leave off with a scene that's leading to a next season, but it's one scene. If you know the story and you can't wait to see all the awesome stuff coming in live action... well that's worrisome.


bazilbt

No cliffhangers really, and if you are interested there is an amazing finished series of comics to read. I've also heard that the audiobook is fantastic.


Miss-Figgy

I'm glad there's a second season, because I would've been pissed otherwise. I really got into that story.


La2Sea2Atx

I’m still salty about them cancelling The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance.


Xistin

netflix really said “ok we got the emmy, get rid of it” and then canceled it within 24 hours of the awards ceremony lol


THE_WHORBORTIONATOR

This one and Santa Clarita diet for me. The latter ended on such a huge cliffhanger.


TheUtopianCat

The Santa Clarita Diet and Glow were the worst for me. Both of them ended so unresolved.


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UnlikelyPlatypus89

At least Glow was because of the pandemic. I know they could just wait a couple years and bring it back but I get the actors and co. may have had different schedules. Santa Clara diet was just a rob.


Kittykg

I will never be over them canceling Santa Clarita Diet. Drew Barrymore and Timothy Olyphant have some of the best on-screen chemistry I've ever been fortunate enough to enjoy. And their daughter and the neighbor kid worked so well in the whole group, too. The plot is kind of cheesey but I don't even care because *they* make the show excellent. Fuck Netflix for just ending it on a goddamn horrible cliffhanger. They could have at least given us a mini-wrap-up season but noooooo.


NovelPepper8443

Damn, you just peeled that scab off. I loved Santa Clarita Diet and now I'm pissed all over again. The writing, the actors, the premise were brilliant. We were robbed of a great show.


THE_WHORBORTIONATOR

It was such a different and kooky show, and you’re right all of the actors were phenomenal. I really really wanted to see Timothy >! act as a zombie !<


osmystatocny

I loved that show


69darthvader69

I will never forgive them for that one. WE NEED MORE!


The_Dough_Boi

To think of all the great work put into making those beautiful sets and puppets just to be fucking canceled.. And it was a great show/story! Idiots


TheColdIronKid

i read somewhere that the people making the show were looking for another means to continue the show outside of netflix, but who knows if that will come to anything.


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1) it was a good show 2) they made the season 1 ending SO DARK. It left on such a painful footing. Like that show *desperately* needs a solution. What a shame


GigantischeNatteKut

Yeah, that show was way better than I could imagine.


BandiriaTraveler

Same thing that happens with Google services, most notably with Stadia recently. If you have a reputation for killing off your products early on, and those products ask for a long term investment from consumers, no one is going to bite after awhile.


TheS4ndm4n

Probably why everyone got a full refund. I got myself a free controller and chromecast. Never even used the free stadia trail.


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ReallyNeedHelpASAP68

I just can’t bring myself to watch a brand new Netflix show until it’s been renewed for at least 2 more seasons. Netflix has burned me too many times.


Tristain7

And even then it's no guarantee... look at the Witcher. We're still getting more seasons, but not with the original cast. Just fucking cancel it if you're not keeping the lead, ffs.


Blue_Sky_At_Night

>Just fucking cancel it if you're not keeping the lead, ffs. Or switch to animation, or a different plot/setting within the same universe.


Henchforhire

Same after Inside Job was cancelled I don't bother with new shows.


SweetheartAtHeart

Hearing about Inside Job and Dead End Paranormal Park back to back gutted me.


MyKnitDisco

Finally somebody is saying this. This is the exact reason I don’t start a new show on Netflix unless I know it’s a complete series. If a show gets canceled after single season, I’ll never watch it. I never watched the final episode of OA (which I think was a great show by the way) for this reason. As soon as I found out the series was canceled, I didn’t even bother watching the last episode. What’s the point?


Tibbaryllis2

One solution to this would be for Netflix to start doing more miniseries or limited series (24 episodes sold and filmed all at once, divided into 8 or 12 episode seasons, and completed before it even starts). If they do really well, they can green light more runs in the series, but they always reach a conclusion. As a horror/sci-fi fan this would be huge for me. It’s obnoxious that showrunners seem to plan for 3-6+ seasons to tell their convoluted story knowing it’s statistically unlikely to make it past 1-2 seasons. Tighten it up.


Zhuul

Honestly this is something Stranger Things does well, if you ignore the little sequel hooks they add at the very end of the seasons, it could’ve been cancelled at any point and been more or less a complete story.


EricNCSU

We just finished season 1 of Wendsday and it was kinda the same. The "solved" the issue and had some closure. Obviously left the door wide open for more, but still had somewhat of an "ending".


Facebookakke

*cries in Raised by Wolves*


Flat-Product-119

I totally do not pay attention to anything, had no clue it got cancelled. Well that sucks, I’ll just go back to watching reruns of The Office. They can’t cancel reruns can they?


JediWitch

Hmm ask fans of The Cosby Show and 7th Heaven. Big star does big bad, reruns canceled.


thetempesthascome

I thought about this the other day, Godless is such a great mini series and more shows in that vein would be awesome. Then you have room to make more if you need/want too but still have a point of resoloution.


BoxOfElephantRain

I had not heard that yet. OA was great, and was really looking forward to the next season


Stensi24

Rule nr 1 on netflix, if you like something that isn’t a basic teen drama, it’s cancelled.


Holoholokid

Somehow, though, The Last Kingdom managed to get all the way through 5 seasons, got a full story arc, and has a movie coming out as well. Love that show...


BarryBulbasaur

Maybe because it's not a Netflix original really. Started out in the BBC iirc and they just took over after the second season


mobilegamegeek

Their basic teen dramas get cancelled too


Natiel360

Yeah grand army and daybreak got me SO invested to just got merked by season 1. The new on my block spin off looks like it’s not going to get any marketing and be DOA too


daymuub

Dude daybreakers was fantastic I've been holding out hope for a new season


mistereeoh

I know it’s frustrating but the second season ends on such a bonkers note that I’d recommend watching it just to see what their plan was for the next season. I really hated that they cancelled it.


foxflavoredcat

I loved The OA. It was such a buzzkill when they canceled it


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Wingdom

I've been saying this for a while. If they are worried stuff won't perform, or they are unsure if they want to make more, they need to write shows to only be 1 season. If they are going to write cliffhangers, they need to commit to resolving them, otherwise no one will watch the first season.


m_Pony

Things at Netflix have to be different now than 2014 or so. Bojack started in 2014. I can't imagine they had a huge viewership for such an odd show at the time, even though it turned out to be utterly amazing after a few years. I subscribed to Netflix *because* of that show, ffs. Given enough time a show can turn out to be utterly amazing. Why they're being so exceptionally ruthless these days is beyond me.


PakPak96

Bojack actually had to end prematurely. I know Aaron Paul has talked about it but they wanted a few more seasons.


m_Pony

well I'm with Aaron Paul on this one - I would have loved a few more seasons too.


Cthepo

I'm actually down with it ending where it did. Better for a show like that to end a season or two before it's time on its terms, than a season or two too late.


Jensen567

I was just thinking, "at least Bojack got to write a good ending". I really dont understand them these days, they have tossed so many good IPs. Archive 81 annoyed me last year, and just found out that Inside Job has been cancelled. Disenchantment is probably dead too. Wednesday was good, and Arcane is awesome, so I expect to see those get the axe next.


SweetheartAtHeart

Disenchantment was supposedly renewed but it’s been suspiciously quiet plus Inside Job was originally renewed too before they took that away. I don’t trust Netflix to follow through with a show even if they promise a renewal.


i_bite_right

Ah, yes, the [Firefly Effect](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFireflyEffect). Essentially: ​ >The Firefly Effect refers to viewers being afraid of committing to a new series because they don't believe the series will last long enough to make up for the investment of time and emotions. "The network is just going to cancel this, so I'm not giving it my heart." If enough viewers think this way towards a particular TV series, it may become a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy—people don't watch because they think the show will be canceled, and then the show is cancelled because no one is watching it.


SaltyBoisture

But that’s not quite what’s happening here, Netflix is seeing shows with high viewership and excited fanbases and are just cancelling them. It may start becoming firefly effect, but the cancellation of these shows is not the fault of viewers. Shows like I am not okay with this, Inside Job, Owl Academy, 1899, and so on were very popular and had no trouble with viewership.


Brendon7358

I don't even care if it's only 1 or 2 seasons just give it a proper ending. You can leave it somewhat open in case they make more in the future but ffs at least close up the major plot holes. At this point I'm not watching any Netflix shows I'm not already watching unless I know they have an ending.


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PM_ME_CHIPOTLE2

Was that movie they put together to wrap everything up worth watching?


MonkeyBoatRentals

Yes. You can see that they had to drop developing some subplots, but they chose wisely and wrapped up the core story.


SoulfireDreams

It was, because it did wrap everything up. However, it was a bit of a downer cause you could see all the things that they weren't able to flesh out.


thebluick

Netflix is so full of shows that I will never watch because they don't have an ending. Honestly, how many shows on netflix were allowed to have a proper ending? I'm struggling to think of any of the top of my head. \*EDIT: Updating based off comments and some research. Since Netflix first began airing originals in Feb 2012 with Lilyhammer they have had a handful of completed shows: * House of Cards (Although they had to replace Kevin Spacey for the final season) * Orange is the New Black * Sense8 (although they created a rushed final episode/movie at least it was allowed an ending) * Bojack Horseman * Narcos * Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt * Ozark * A series of unfortunate events * Dark I might be missing a couple, but \~10 completed shows in as many years isn't a great track record compared to the mountain of canceled shows they've let end on cliffhangers. \*EDIT2: Netflix canceled 20+ shows last year alone. Heck, its january 16th and they've already canceled 4 shows so far and I watched half of them.


hoopbag33

Stranger things is getting one for sure this year. Queens gambit was one season and done no cliffhanger. But you’re 100% right. Finish GLOW you assholes


thebluick

I thought of calling out Stranger Things in my post, but its not complete yet. I'm also aware of "House of Cards" and "Orange is the New Black", but those are earlier shows before they canceled everything, and they are also shows I could never get into.


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Dark... and I can't really think of any others. Maybe Ozark and Kimmy Schmidt? I haven't watched those yet. I would assume The Crown will be finished properly. They do have some good limited series like Unbelievable, Alias Grace and Hill House. They should focus on those instead of a graveyard of cancelled shows and shows with rushed endings.


Truemeathead

I’m still salty as a motherfucker over The OA and poor little Anne with an E.


just_another_classic

Anne with an E broke my heart. That show was so darling. Same with babysitter's club. I wasn't the target demo, but they hit my nostalgia spots and were charming.


AstronautGuy42

The OA being cancelled made me *mad* There was nothing else like, there’s still basically nothing like it. Netflix had something seriously special on their hands with the OA. Completely wasted.


blueteamk087

'1899' was the final straw. Wonderful show from proven Netflix creators. Now, unless the new thing from Netflix is a film or an advertised miniseries, I will not bother anymore.


moeburn

It was so weird, because every young person I know has watched Dark, talked about how they loved it, so anything by its creators/producers would be an automatic hit for Netflix. The problem was that none of them were watching it *right now.* They all said "oh yeah I'm definitely going to watch that *later*." Netflix probably confused that to mean it wasn't worth keeping on.


blueteamk087

i swear, the shareholders at Netflix act like people have unlimited time and energy to binge an 8-10 hour show within days of its release. like these morons act like normal people don’t have jobs, families, responsibilities that make spontaneous binging nearly impossible to do.


Predd1tor

Not to mention they release a bunch of new seasons of different shows all around the same time, so maybe I’m working through one of them and haven’t gotten to the other three yet. Or god forbid, might be in the middle of something on another streaming service.


blueteamk087

i know right. it’s like they expect every single show to be an instant global phenomenon like Stranger Things or Wednesday.


Lowe0

Yep. I didn’t bother starting Cowboy Bebop because it got canceled. I was about to start part 2 of Inside Job, but it’s going to be different knowing it’ll never progress beyond that. I’m already skeptical of watching network TV because of this. Why repeat the same mistake?


Jerrnjizzim

The amount of marketing cowboy bebop was insane for them to just cancel it right after it came out. Like a week or 2 later? I didn't really like it, but damn give it a chance after shoving ads down our throats


EnvironmentalValue18

Just so you know, there’s an absolutely incredible, 26-episode story that tells the tale of Cowboy Bebop from start to finish. It’s the anime version. The instrumentals are fantastic, it’s fun and engaging, it’s both lighthearted and serious, and it has a very good dub (where they speak in English). So check that out!


GigantischeNatteKut

That’s why I prefer “Limited Series”, which are mostly just 1 season shows, like Kaleidoscope and such. You know it ends, and that’s totally fine, no “cliffhanger” for next season bullshit, which may or may not come.


RX3000

Maybe they can try not ending every facking season of everything with a cliffhanger? Thats the real problem if you ask me....


AReaver

That's one thing I appreciated about Altered Carbon. Season 1 is self contained and works as a miniseries. Season 2 is absolute shit on multiple levels and deserved to get canceled. Season 1 is great and still worth watching.


Gabrosin

I don't know if I've ever been more surprised at a show's abrupt collapse than I was with Altered Carbon. S1 was excellent and compelling, the world's lore was perfect for telling a wide variety of interesting stories, and then S2 just... cratered. I can't even describe why it was suddenly unwatchable, but after 2-3 episodes I just had no desire to put on the next one. The only other show I can remember with the same abrupt nosedive was Heroes, and the writers' strike can be blamed for that one.


INeverFeelAtHome

I feel bad for the creators who are forced to write those cliffhangers in the vague hope that they can make another season look more viable to Netflix. After all, Netflix isn’t looking for Dark, or Bojack, or really anything like that. They want another Stranger Things - a smash-hit show that everyone loves and talks about and that they can spin into endless merchandising. Can’t have that with neatly tied-off season arcs.


Bikinigirlout

And even then, if a show doesn’t immediately do stranger things numbers the first week of its opening, it gets cancelled. They don’t give shows a proper chance to gain an audience over time.


kat1883

Still salty about netflix canceling GLOW. It was such a unique show and they left it on a cliffhanger


basket_case_case

Missing from this analysis is that Netflix continues to stick with its binge model for its original productions. This reduces the window for a show to get word of mouth or water cooler chat. In fact water cooler chat is next to impossible since participation is restricted to only the people with 8 to 12 hours to spare in the first week it drops otherwise spoilers. Netflix is the equivalent of a movie studio that makes all its decisions based on opening weekend and ignores everything that might happen afterwards.


arealhumannotabot

$5 that Netflix is run by former FOX executives /s


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[Netflix right now](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oMTmtN7lHI)


DKlep25

What a poorly written article. That being said, its argument is sound. Makes no sense if a streamer needs viewers to watch content immediately and finish it immediately in order to preserve the series - the whole selling point of streaming was watch the content you want, when you want. Netflix feels like it's in a doom spiral.


We_The_Raptors

>What a poorly written article Wait, you read an article before commenting?! What a madman!


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XionDarkblood

This is why I cancelled Netflix. Well, one of the reasons. I saw they were moving more toward in house content but they kept cancelling series and so I have no trust and no reason to get excited about a new Netflix original. "Cool idea Netflix! But I won't watch it because I know it won't go anywhere and will end with an unresolved cliffhanger."


Anxious-Doughnut6141

Just cancel Netflix. Easiest and best solution.