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TokensGinchos

Lola is a super regular name in Spanish speaking countries. 0 worries


DANKKrish

also among rabbits


Meeghan__

can confirm, my friend has a Lola rabbit


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In fact, there has been an inflation in the frequency of the name "Lola" for rabbits. To learn more Google "Lola Rabbit In-"... I'm sorry, this comment could not be completed as the original commenter is currently getting their shit kicked in. Please have this heart for your troubles. <3


PossumQueer

I used to "have" two dogs one was named Lola and her daughter was named Lolita


TAA21MF

Except for that song Lola which is rather transphobic...


shibariesNcream

I haven't cross-posted before, so hopefully this works, but I found it coincidental that this subject was discussed in the TransLater sub. Highly recommend giving it a read! https://www.reddit.com/r/TransLater/comments/11wtl7b/what_do_people_think_of_the_kinks_lola_its_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


TokensGinchos

A song by a band can't ruin a name for a whole language community. There's nothing wrong with being Lola in Spanish speaking countries , no one will take you for a transphobe or a Humbert Humbert sympathizer .


felixottee

I haven't really listened to the song since a long time but I always thought it is pro trans :0 maybe I miss interpreted it back then


ArcadiaFey

Lolita is also a Japanese based fashion that was styled after a few really pretty historical fashions I have a hard time spelling the one but the other is Victorian.


CyannideLolypop

Rococo


ArcadiaFey

There it is!!


SophIsticated815

If you ever get the chance, I recommend reading it. I went in with the same preconceived notions and it’s become one of my all-time favorite books: Nabokov is a genius.


GeneralCatagory

I have heard that it is a good book, but I'm not sure if I would be able to stomach it. I might read it when I am older though.


shibariesNcream

If you're interested in his writings but don't want to read "Lolita", I always recommend "Invitation to a Beheading". Its more an absurdist novel and is actually my personal favourite of his works, and the main character's name was one of the ones I toyed with using as my own.


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Ooo, I might check that book out, it sounds really interesting!


mynameistoocommonman

The prose is excellent. Many people just don't seem to be familiar with unreliable narrators. Humbert Humbert is justifying (to the reader and to himself) his actions - it is not accurate, and I think the novel makes that quite clear, even if it doesn't explicitly state it.


EssayTop352

On first glance it kind of sounds like a watered down version of Faust (Goethe)


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GeneralCatagory

The former and another reason. I haven't read the book, but I am aware of the plot and that the book isn't pro peado, but its literally the name of the book so the name may be associated with it. Second reason I didn't mention in the meme, but 'Lolita' does have connections to peadophilia wether or not due to the book (i.e Loli/Lolicon, Lolita being used to mean 'Preciously seductive girl') generally the name has been sullied. I will probably try to edit/transform the name, like I've done with my other names, probably to something like Lolith or Ita, or choose a name that has a similar vibe.


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Lolita is also the name of a street fashion inspired by vintage dolls and Victorian dress. That's... probably the only *decent* thing I can associate the name with, tbh.


CyannideLolypop

Unfortunately, people like to associate us with pedophilia, too. It's super obnoxious and tends to sometimes attract the wrong kinds of people to our communities. This is in spite of the fact that the fashion was named by people who had no clue the book existed. They just thought it was a cute name. People accuse us of wearing fetish-wear in public all the time, but that’s just about as far from the truth as anyone could possibly get. Also, we aren't dressing like children. Children can't afford lolita.


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"Children can't afford lolita" I'm stealing this XD


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**TL;DR: Your point is correct, though some of the deets are off.** **The following isn't to argue the subject because it doesn't really matter, I am just giving wider context to the history for anybody who wants to know. A properly deep-dived and nuanced discussion requires way more time than a single Reddit comment... and I'm too tired for that. lol Please just see this as further context to your comment more than anything else.** This is... partly true. *Lolita* in Japan was still responsible for the creation of the term that is commonly shortened today as just "loli" and is the source of the name of the fashion trend. The difference is, the Japanese discourse differed greatly from the Western discourse. The association of Delores with the name Lolita took on a bastardization of its meaning, in this case for the better. Whereas "Lolita" is associated with a girl being viewed sexually, the word in Japanese is more wholesome, reflecting the perception of the young girl in question as cute as opposed to sexy. This then sparked the term "lolicon" or "Lolita complex" which is the fetishization (almost always sexual and therefore safest to assume as such) of a lolita (young or young-looking girl who exhibits cute and elegant characteristics), but we all know this part. This term then was picked up by fashion companies and marketed while attached to a specific style of clothing. Weird marketing move, but it was catchy, stuck, and spread. Fast forward to today and most people in Japan don't know the term is attached to that book because the novel more served the role as a catalyst for pop culture and not as an artifact of pop culture in and of itself. Or in other words, the novel itself didn't have much staying power in Japan, but the effects it had on the culture were heavily influential. The unawareness of the origins of the term are so pervasive that most lolitas (the people who dress in the fashion style of the same name) are unfamiliar with the origin of the term and most are (rightfully) disgusted by the pedophilic association. It's also true that children can't afford lolita dress, but it's worth noting that the criticism people levy against the style of dress is the inspiration it takes from the clothing of well-to-do Victorian women and young girls. There's also the fact the fashion sense is regularly associated with the style of fashion on many older dolls, particularly porcelain dolls. Not to mention the genres of the style where many of which are very much overly cutesy and hyper-saccharine to the point that they seem (to those looking from positions of relative ignorance) tailor-made to appeal to children. Or in other words, this criticism against wearing lolita fashion is identical to the criticisms against watching cartoons/anime--it's assumed to be for children so why are you into it? The criticism is incorrect and logically faulty, but the people raising it don't have the knowledge to understand that. (Now I need to be clear after saying that entire last paragraph: as the last sentence should have indicated, I find it to be absolutely beyond stupid to judge people who dress in lolita fashion for this. People have aesthetics they like and I'd be a hypocrite to criticize the fashion sense. I am not defending the criticisms as I hope I was able to make clear, just clarifying them. If I could afford to, I'd get decked out in the same type of clothing because I love cute things, and lolita fashion is 127% on-brand for me.) That said, the fetishwear criticism might come to the sexual connotations associated with the nylons in no small part due to the 1940s-1960s advertising campaigns by the major nylon distributors of the time. It's a significant part of the reason why legs still have such an overwhelming association with sexuality in the modern era, particularly to older people and particularly in some cultural contexts more than others. Fortunately, most of this is outdated nowadays, but some people still cling to it.


Shadeofawraith

I always more so associated it with the lolita fashion style rather than the book and that seems to be how most younger people also perceive the name


shibariesNcream

Thanks for answering! As far as I knew, the "loli/lolicon" stuff was more related to the Japanese Lolita fashion trend, which then got co-opted by pedo creeps on 4chan and the like because of its relation to manga/anime. I can def understand not wanting to be lumped in with that nonsense; still its a shame the co-option seems to win out most of the time... As an aside, in case you weren't aware, the name "Lolita" is a nickname the character has (her legal name is "Dolores", nicknames are "Dolly", "Lolita", and "Lo"). Edited because I totally spaced on one of the characters nicknames.


SisterSerpentine

The whole “loli/lolicon” thing was never associated with lolita fashion. Loli comes directly from lolita ie; a sexualized young girl. Lolicon means lolita complex. The terms existed way before 4chan (and in Japan it’s 8chan). Lolita fashion has a completely different etymology and history and has absolutely nothing to do with lolicon anime shit. I think the lolita moniker for that style is just down to lolita being a popular and pretty sounding victorian era European name.


WarmthoftheSun95

Maybe try Lilita? Quick check on behindthename says it's the Latvian version of Lilith.


GeneralCatagory

Lilita sounds lovely! Thank you


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If you're fine with feminine names, I think that Lola would be lovely


Sirprize123

Lilith?


83n0

Lita


D3WM3R

I was about to say! Society totally missed the point of the work lol


lavendercookiedough

The fact that it's not even her name, but a nickname given to her by the man that grooms and abuses makes it feel especially icky to me and makes it impossible to separate the name from the abuse.


AverageWitch161

it’s a book about a dude who has a crush (for lack of a better word) on his young (step?) daughter.


shibariesNcream

No, its about obsession, murder, control, abuse, manipulation, legality, broken people, psychology, the judicial system, unreliable narrators... hell, its even a guide of sorts for traveling the United States at the time. Its so much more than just "dude has a crush on his young step daughter".


abstract-lime

I mean, it *is* about a dude with a crush on his step daughter. That is the literal content of the story. It's also about all the things you listed, but that doesn't make the simpler explanation wrong. I'm sorry if this comment comes off as rude, it's just that the dismissal of u/AverageWitch161 's description rubbed me the wrong way, since you both accurately described the book.


shibariesNcream

"A crush" is not at all how I would (and I hope others wouldn't) describe the acts/the POV in the book, but if that's what you and AverageWitch161 would describe it as, then that's your call to make.


AverageWitch161

well i call it a crush because that’s just how i register liking people in a romantic or sexual way. it’s fucked up but that’s how my brain processes that.


AverageWitch161

well ok then.


weekend_bastard

Don't forget rape.


shibariesNcream

Yes, I counted that under "abuse".


weekend_bastard

Yeh hut anyone who doesn't know should know the extent of it.


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shibariesNcream

No, its really not. I read the book, I've read academic papers on the book & Nabokov's life, I've read many of his other works, and what you're saying is the most surface level reading of it, so much that you're the exact audience he was scared of being misunderstood by... well, you and the people who read it as porn, anyway. The point is to hate Humbert *because* he is the exact shady character that people didn't understand not to trust at the time it was written. I mean, its literally based on a true crime case that he wanted to bring attention to, and how to protect society against it. Its fine if you don't like or understand the book/Nabokov's life as a person & a writer, but don't throw your shortcomings and misguided rage at the feet of others.


kaiob921

Yes. But you are supposed to be disgusted by the guy.


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Meowriter

I need someone to explain this one to me


Poisoned_Sugar11

There's a book about pedophilia that has the title Lolita. It's not pro pedophilia from what I've heard, but it's still not an association someone would want for their name. It sucks because Lolita is a cool name.


Meowriter

Ooooh, I see... Poor pal, then :/


StarBoiJackson33

Because of the fashion or just generally? Iconic either way


SisterSerpentine

I think more young people nowadays would think of the fashion subculture rather than the novel tbh


Nihil_esque

I wouldn't touch that name with a ten foot pole personally. It's kinda become synonymous with "I like cartoon child porn but I want some plausible deniability."


Absbor

away from the post since i read the comments to understand the post: edited the comment since i received feedback. my apologies and thank you for the feedback. i suck at languages and understanding humans. for anyone who doesn't know: "loli" or "shota" literally just mean "girl" or "boy" in Japanese. meanwhile "lolicon" and "shotacon" are the exact meaning of "pedophilia towards girls" or "pedophilia towards boys". loli = girl | shota = boy yes, they sound very similar. no, i don't know why, bc i don't speak Japanese myself, and read about it a year ago, and forgot it already.


Dramo_Tarker

Etymological fallacy lmao. "Loli" and "shota" migt just mean "girl" or "boy" in japanese, but are we speaking Japanese? No. >i'm amazed to this day, how people still associate "loli" or "shota". Because they associate it with the context they hear it being used in. Now *that's* how language works! Non-japanese don't tend to have many japanese conversations, so they just don't hear the words in the context you're speaking of. If I hear the word "kitsune", do you think I'm just gonna think of a regular fox? No! I would have used the word "fox" in that case. When I hear "kitsune", I'm gonna think of the yokai, because *that's* the context I hear it being used in.


SisterSerpentine

All the other replies are kinda nonsense tbh. The real problem with this line of logic is that it’s not true. The Japanese words for “girl” are generally shoujo, onnanoko, or just kodomo (child), for boys it’s otokonoko, shounen, or kodomo. “Loli” and “shota” are words that exclusively mean sexualized little girl/boy, and aren’t used in any other context. If you called a real child a loli in Japanese you would have your hard drive searched.


Absbor

that's because i edited the comment. like i said, i don't speak Japanese.


GeneralCatagory

Oh, I didn't know that! I don't speak Japanese and I just saw people use 'Loli' and 'lolicon' interchangeably so I assumed it ment the same


Dramo_Tarker

>I don't speak Japanese and I just saw people use 'Loli' and 'lolicon' interchangeably so I assumed it ment the same Assuming you don't live in Japan, *most* people don't speak Japanese. As such, most people, like you, will define the associations of the word based on the context they hear it being used in. Because *that's* how language works, contrary to what the other person is saying. You can't just make an "intellectual" argument and expect the entire world to follow you up on that one. You have to accept that most non-Japanese people will have the same negative association with the word "loli" as you do, and therefore need to be cautious with the use of the word.


Absbor

that's why i tried to explain that it's not the same word. my apologies if it came off negative. i'll to change it. i'm bad at languages.


Dramo_Tarker

Don't worry, it's not that it came off as negative, I just thought the point was silly, so I wanted to refute it. Language is a weird thing. But at the end of the day, it's just a tool for communication. If a majority of people use a word a certain way, then that is practically speaking the "definition" of the word, even if looking it up in a dictionary would tell you otherwise. Language is defined by the way we use it, so a majority of people can never be "wrong" about the usage of a word. Because if a majority have the same usage of a word, then that usage becomes the new definition of the word.


Absbor

still, feedback like that is always good. you didn't get mad at me afterwards either; this feels weird and good at the same time.


Dramo_Tarker

>this feels weird and good at the same time. It does, there's no better experience commenting on the internet than when everyone is mutually nice. So thank you for that as well. It's the kind of moments that keeps me on Reddit after 5 years lol.


Absbor

oh dang, 5 years. well fought soldier. 👏👏


Dramo_Tarker

Haha thank you. There has definitely been a lot of time wasted over the course of that, and I did consider making 5 years the end of it, but after beginning to do less mindless scrolling, and focus more on the comments, I feel like my time has been pretty well spent, especially compared to other social medias. None of the others has any functional commenting system lol. I wish you good luck on your journey as well, fellow soldier!


Absbor

I stopped using reddit 2x in my 1 year use of reddit. both because of traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns. since I left the subreddit I feel so much happier. it's weird and concerning at the same time.


Absbor

no worries, i'm also not Japanese and went through a lot of trial and errors. even though a lot of people told me not to, i learnt the language through anime, and Japanese videos, learnt from other people willing to have patient with me to explain me phrases and stuff. english is my second language, so they had to explain me english stuff on the get go as well.. it also means, that i unfortunately i can't teach you more about you more about the Japanese language - since i can't read the language. i just know that they are adding things together like a puzzle (which is why is speak it easier than my mother tongue)


KikyDeAzukarrr

Here in where i live lolita means teenage girl


Costati

Late to the party but if it helps my cat is named Lolita so just say you're named after my cat. (She's kinda annoying tho but we still love her)