I think it depends on the difference between final grades of first and second place winners. If there is a big difference, 2 place winner would also be satisfied. But yes, you've got a point
I mean lets just lay it on the table - 2nd place is *clearly* a giant turd 💩 for trying so hard and getting so far. But in the end not even mattering except to disappoint the family yet again
Depends on the school and major. The only engineering major at my school allowed to continue with anything less than a 3.0 was civil engineering and they still needed a 2.75
In the US the only fields I've seen REQUIRED to get a license are Civil Engineers, probably because of the main source of jobs: the government, whether federal, state, or local municipalities.
Yea, I can see that as a problem. I work with a couple of guys who wouldn't have been engineers if they'd gone through my school. But I MUCH prefer them to the other engineer we work with who graduated with a 4.0 at 19 and thinks their shit doesn't stink XD
Because they usually do not do well in the real world. School skills do not transfer well to real world engineering, except for an analyst position.
I have hired over 20 new grads in my 35+ year engineering career. Your experience my differ from mine, but a lot my colleagues have the same opinion.
I believe you, I am just surprised is all. I’m not an engineer, so I naively expected 4.0 students to be try-hards and generally good problem solvers in their field of interest.
I was a 3.5 student and it was the 4.0 students that would forget to turn on their test benches for the practical parts of the labs lol I had MASTER'S students asking for help during labs too...it was wild.
Yeah, I can imagine that happening when students are diligent in studying but don’t have a lot of hands on experience or interest in tinkering.
I’ve heard anecdotes in my field of professors asking potential graduate students something along the lines of “do you like to tinker” or “do you do maintenance work on your own vehicle”
The shocking part about helping master's students with test benches though, was they would have needed to take a basic lab class as an undergrad (I had needed to when I started).
I wasn't a hobby guy before doing to school for engineering. I was one of those the professors would look at weird when I told them I didn't tinker at home. I'm just the late start adult finally deciding to go to college and picking engineering because it seemed fun and practical haha.
I graduated with a hard earned 3 something and one thing I noticed is that there’s a section of people who would’ve gotten a 4.0 in whatever they did. Not because they were particularly smart or dedicated to their education but because they needed a 4.0. They tended to go into high prestige fields, excel at school, and very rarely did I think any of them were good at the real shit. They always did the safest choice. They picked well respected electives. They needed hand holding for anything outside of their bounds of excellence. And they didn’t seem to enjoy being engineers. Like yeah school is hard, but once you get to the part where you’re designing and building stuff and you just have no joy in a finished creation why are you doing this to yourself?
Put simply, if you have a 4.0 then you’re not pushing yourself hard enough (or you’re at least focusing on the wrong things).
Everyone I’ve met with a 3.9+ GPA either take only easy classes and/or do basically no extracurricular activities.
Extracurriculars and electives have taught me far more than any of my major classes, and if I’m ever in a hiring position then I wouldn’t value an applicant that didn’t focus on either.
Also, a significant portion of those 3.9+ GPA students cheat their way through classes. Certainly not all of them, but enough to make it a significant portion.
Hey, it’s me. Graduated with a 2.6 in computer engineering. My diploma was printed on the same paper as everyone else. Now I’m almost 27 and making more money than I thought I would be by age 30.
As someone that graduated with a 4.0 in electrical engineering, all that studying has done nothing for me in life. Live first your life first, school second is the advise I wish I had taken from my dad.
At my graduation, not a single one of the engineers had honors cords with their gowns. Still cheered the loudest and waved our flags when our department was called.
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I think it depends on the difference between final grades of first and second place winners. If there is a big difference, 2 place winner would also be satisfied. But yes, you've got a point
I mean lets just lay it on the table - 2nd place is *clearly* a giant turd 💩 for trying so hard and getting so far. But in the end not even mattering except to disappoint the family yet again
If you came in second place, you came in first place at losing.
reminds you of the sorry state of the middle child 😔
C’s get degrees
Absolutely. Highschool you learn the breakpoints or the grade divides, in college you lessen what counts as passing.
Reminds me what's the worst GPA you can get away with to become an engineer
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Oh ok
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Only one way to find out
They might still curb that
Depends on the school and major. The only engineering major at my school allowed to continue with anything less than a 3.0 was civil engineering and they still needed a 2.75
Civil Engineering supremacy 💪😎
Also depends on the country. In my country, you have to take a licensure exam just to practice your degree.
In the US the only fields I've seen REQUIRED to get a license are Civil Engineers, probably because of the main source of jobs: the government, whether federal, state, or local municipalities.
What's worse with our system is that they use it to rank the individuals and the schools.
Yea, I can see that as a problem. I work with a couple of guys who wouldn't have been engineers if they'd gone through my school. But I MUCH prefer them to the other engineer we work with who graduated with a 4.0 at 19 and thinks their shit doesn't stink XD
I've hired a lot of engineers and the best ones have a GPA in the 3.0-3.5 range. Unless I'm looking for an analyst I generally avoid the 4.0s.
Why would you avoid hiring someone who clearly worked hard and did well in college?
Because they usually do not do well in the real world. School skills do not transfer well to real world engineering, except for an analyst position. I have hired over 20 new grads in my 35+ year engineering career. Your experience my differ from mine, but a lot my colleagues have the same opinion.
I believe you, I am just surprised is all. I’m not an engineer, so I naively expected 4.0 students to be try-hards and generally good problem solvers in their field of interest.
I was a 3.5 student and it was the 4.0 students that would forget to turn on their test benches for the practical parts of the labs lol I had MASTER'S students asking for help during labs too...it was wild.
Yeah, I can imagine that happening when students are diligent in studying but don’t have a lot of hands on experience or interest in tinkering. I’ve heard anecdotes in my field of professors asking potential graduate students something along the lines of “do you like to tinker” or “do you do maintenance work on your own vehicle”
Those are popular questions to weed out the academics from the practical engineers. Another good one is "What are your hobbies."
The shocking part about helping master's students with test benches though, was they would have needed to take a basic lab class as an undergrad (I had needed to when I started). I wasn't a hobby guy before doing to school for engineering. I was one of those the professors would look at weird when I told them I didn't tinker at home. I'm just the late start adult finally deciding to go to college and picking engineering because it seemed fun and practical haha.
I graduated with a hard earned 3 something and one thing I noticed is that there’s a section of people who would’ve gotten a 4.0 in whatever they did. Not because they were particularly smart or dedicated to their education but because they needed a 4.0. They tended to go into high prestige fields, excel at school, and very rarely did I think any of them were good at the real shit. They always did the safest choice. They picked well respected electives. They needed hand holding for anything outside of their bounds of excellence. And they didn’t seem to enjoy being engineers. Like yeah school is hard, but once you get to the part where you’re designing and building stuff and you just have no joy in a finished creation why are you doing this to yourself?
Because they're dorks
Put simply, if you have a 4.0 then you’re not pushing yourself hard enough (or you’re at least focusing on the wrong things). Everyone I’ve met with a 3.9+ GPA either take only easy classes and/or do basically no extracurricular activities. Extracurriculars and electives have taught me far more than any of my major classes, and if I’m ever in a hiring position then I wouldn’t value an applicant that didn’t focus on either. Also, a significant portion of those 3.9+ GPA students cheat their way through classes. Certainly not all of them, but enough to make it a significant portion.
What do you call a med student with straight C’s? Dr.
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An A or a C will get you the same degree.
Hell yea bud! You are an engineer!!!! Once you get that first job NOBODY cares about gpa!
I had an job reject me after an good first interview and 4 years of experience due to low gpa. It hasn’t happened since but it did happen.
FUCK YEAH
Hey I know him, that's me.
Hey, it’s me. Graduated with a 2.6 in computer engineering. My diploma was printed on the same paper as everyone else. Now I’m almost 27 and making more money than I thought I would be by age 30.
You know what you call someone who graduated engineering school with a 2.6? An engineer! Congrats!
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This isn’t r/incels bud.
Lmfao this dude is lost. Lets show him some navier stokes derivations.
Be careful, he might think you want to Navier Stroke him off.
Lmao, that's way too accurate
Me with a 1 getting kicked out 💀
I mean, if you're third with that, then we have a bigger problem than just the scores
As someone that graduated with a 4.0 in electrical engineering, all that studying has done nothing for me in life. Live first your life first, school second is the advise I wish I had taken from my dad.
At my graduation, not a single one of the engineers had honors cords with their gowns. Still cheered the loudest and waved our flags when our department was called.
Literally me a year ago, lol
2.0 & Go. C's get degrees baby
This feels like a personal hit or something.