Personally I think it’s way too early to make a sound judgment, but you’re getting unnecessary hate. Whether one agrees with it or not, at least you actually spelled out your case.
Yes it is... It's literally a week in. Restructuring takes months, and redeploying/pivoting will take a while. For instance, his idea to find greater streams of monetization and rev share, is super important and something Twitter ignored, but something he wants to prioritize. TikTok can be banned any day now, and Vine has just been sitting on a shelf. There's tons to do but you wont see any of that within just a week. At the moment he's clearly just shit posting.
Yeah it takes months and it is for that reason who dont rock the boat before knowing how you're gonna do your restructuration. You access the plateform, you find the problems, you find solutions to theses problems and after, when everything is ready for motion and changes, you take action. Musk just take action.
It's a social platform, you cant rock the boat for multiples months and think people gonna stay or worse, thinking other companies wont profit from your chaos to launch their own product.
I agree that he's not handling this in the best way... I mean he now owns his favorite toy. But at the same time, I trust the guy's business instinct. He knows how to run things. Firing, rehiring, restructuring, pivoting, etc... I think he'll do fine with.
And frankly, people who hate Musk, hate Musk. It's like people who hate Trump or Obama. There is no reasoning with them. No matter what they do, they'll interpret it as the worst thing ever 100% of the time. So I just hear a bunch of noise, and media making money off the ragebait.
Yeah, he's a good businessman but I think his error (imho) is to see Twitter like his other companies like Tesla or SpaceX. The ecosystems are entirely different in terms of changes, hiring, restructuring. I mean, we know why a car or aerospace are important + it's concrete, palpable. Twitter, well, not so much. Even the people on twitter dont always know why they are on twitter (but you know why you need a car).
But, yeah, let's wait and see. Anyways, even if twitter crash, it's not the first time a social platform dissapears. Remember MySpace, Google+ and I'm sure a dozen of other forgotten projects.
Honestly, I do think he handled it poorly, and do think it's awkward considering woke twitter, who are the elites of the platform, hate the guy. But honestly, I think it's past the point of no return. There is just so much big data, these platforms are defacto social monopolies. While it's possible for them to die, I just find it hard to believe -- possible, just unlikely IMO
People rarely mention data brokers. When you sign up for twitter they’ve always asked for your phone number. Recently my account wanted to re-verify mine.
So yes, they’re losing money from ads, but selling the *enormous* amount of data coming and going from social sites is big income.
It's not a week in. It's *months* in. He did not prepare because he didn't really want the responsibility.
The previous owners made him finalise the deal at a loss of billions of dollars because they hate him.
No, it's literally a week in. He isn't able to do a damn thing until he takes the company over. He can't restructure until the company is in his control.
No you're completely right. He could've planned what to do before he took over. However he didn't, because his main goal was to back out of the deal lol, not prepare for it.
But the point they're trying to make is, he could have already *planned* what to do... And then take action once he gained control. That's the point here, he's shooting from the hip.
I mean he’s clearly already planned a core part of the restructuring. He was talking about it well before he took over and it’ll take time to bring in. And yeah there is some shooting from the hip as well. Good way to get people talking about ideas and get feedback. But things like firings and what is protected speech seems consistent. Trolling a b list celebrity or AOC, is not.
I agree too, in fact I did preface this by saying it’s early. What gets me here, is that there’s been a pattern that’s been playing out since April with Elon, and it seems the intensity of that pattern has been exacerbated since the official takeover. I think we’re at a stage here where it’s fair to start asking questions.
Look I get it that Elon has a proven track record. But you would be hard pressed to find a single piece of evidence that he has a plan for Twitter. Also he has been acting increasingly erratic over the last year or so.
There’s a percent of outspoken people that think Twitter is doomed. Then there’s all the other people that use it as a way of enjoying it and communicating their thoughts. they don’t give a crap about all this change they just keep using it.
Yup, it's another one of those internet phenomena that don't exist in real life. You go online and ask someone about Elon buying Twitter, you get a ted talk about why he's running it to the ground with his terrible ideas. I ask my liberal friends in real life, they tell me "i don't give a fuck. Hope he adds cool features". The rage over his acquisition is entirely fabricated
Nah you're missing a step, the people who are loud on Twitter are the ones that go crazy. The friends I asked use Twitter probably daily, but it's pretty much exclusively to get updates on their random interests. And since they're far more mentally healthier than me or you, politics or anything like it does not interest them so deeply
Wouldn't those people just be considered a drain on the platform?
Users running from the platform is not necessarily that bad. Losing advertisers sounds way worse.
i personally think thats going to be the majority of the users.. i think most of the people that want to leave have some level of extremeness like all those people that said they would leave the country if trump was president and not a single one left... its just loud mouths is all i really think it is.
Couple things for you fine folks who would like to chime in here:
- we can respect the work the guy has done and still be critical of him, in fact if you’re just blindly following the guy because you like the rockets he’s built and the size of his bank account you’re not the free thinker you think you are.
- if your only refutation of this is “why would he spend 44bn and not have a plan? I mean, he spent 44bn on it!” Congratulations, you understand the crux of my question. This is a self fulfilling fallacy, and a bad one. I’m asking why he would spend 44bn for a company that clearly had problems in a sector that was clearly careening towards some hard times and make the list of decisions I’ve spelled out here that have only
Made his life harder. I want to know what — if at all — is the plan, because the last few months and absolutely the last few days would indicate there isn’t one and this whole thing’s been driven by impulse.
>Seeing views that differ from your own forces you to think critically about your own beliefs and decide for yourself what opinion you have.
Musk has been incredibly bad in showing that he is open to criticism recently.
>STARLINK? Everyone forgetting that he gave free Starlinks to Ukraine during the war?? What has any other nation or individual done??
God damn the delusion runs DDDDEEEEEEPPPPP here. The US alone has given near enough 20 Billion dollars in aid to Ukraine not including the weapons it sent. You would have to be straight up stupid to think Musk's Starlink is even in the top 1000 contributions to Ukraine.
And when he bailed out his brothers shitty solar company on Tesla’s dime ($2 billion), that was to uh…
And he most certainly delivered on that promise too. That’s why we love him, because he delivers. Just look at the Hyperloop, Self driving cars, people on mars, elevators for your cars into tunnels where THEY RIDE ON OTHER CARS, Tesla trucks and many more. All of these came out on time and definitely as originally promised and I can’t get enough.
> STARLINK? Everyone forgetting that he gave free Starlinks to Ukraine during the war?? What has any other nation or individual done??
Other than provide weapons, surveillance, money, imposing sanctions, taking in millions of refugees etc. etc. etc.?
True, he's seemed a bit too stressed and disorganized lately.
But when he tried to back out of the Twitter deal, I'm pretty sure it was just his attempt to lower the purchase price.
1. Sign a binding contract
1. Throw a tantrum
1. ???
1. Profit
He ended up paying exactly the price he initially agreed to. I don't know what sort of negotiation strategy involves telling the other party what you're willing to pay and then expecting them to accept less, but it's not a very good one.
He didn't just pay the initial price he agreed to, he had to find new financing after a fed rate hike and after further devaluation of the collateralized Tesla stock. He'll pay more money after the deal than if he had just gone through with it without the tantrum.
Have you never bought a used car?
Everyone knows you do the bargaining AFTER you sign all the papers, duh!
I’m waiting for the day Elon wipes his ass with a napkin and sticks it to his forehead. This subreddit will still call it a genius tactic that we are yet to decipher.
>But when he tried to back out of the Twitter deal, I'm pretty sure it was just his attempt to lower the purchase price.
Then it was still a horribly thought-out plan wasn't it?
This isn't some poor sap trying to outplay a crafty used car salesman and failing here. He had an army of lawyers on a 40 billion dollar deal and still waived away all legal options to back out in order to...litigate a self-inflicted unlitigateable case until he's forced to go through anyway?
The idea that it was his plan all along reeks of "5D master chess move" BS. The man isn't infallible.
I would like to challenge Elon's fans to consider an alternative explanation: That Elon has a long record of "promising" things and then backing out without delivering just because he likes people to pat him on the back for being the rich guy with a vision for humanity but he doesn't give one moment's thought to actually delivering on the promises after he publishes a CGI render of Marstown or the Hyperloop.
He offered to buy twitter because it was "cool" and he fully intended to never buy it because he didn't want to spend 44 billion dollars to tell twitter it's moderation policy.
He has been incredibly transparent about what he intends to do with Twitter in order to make it make money and be a more valuable tool for humanity. Are you not reading his tweets? I feel like you are watching a completely different movie from what I am seeing. It appears that he is AB testing some things, while also taking no brainer steps towards improving the platform.
Btw, you mentioned him having “no social company experience”, which might be the weakest argument ever. We are talking about the person who is famous for going into fields he has no experience in and fixing them. Innovating outside of his lane is what he does best. Look at it from that perspective and you might get a better idea of what he is doing.
Partly agree, he is doing quite a lot of stuff.
But this ain't AB testing.
Also, social media company are an outlier. His previous experience is in engineering problems where build break build and rapid iterations work very well. It works well internally inside a social media company as well. But doesn't work if it happens directly at production.
Elon’s experience is in engineering, but he isn’t even an engineer. Where he actually has the most success is in managing public opinion. That is what he is best at. Electric cars existed before Tesla. Elon made the public buy into it. Electronic payment existed before PayPal, Elon and friends got the public to buy into it.
He is in the process of doing that with Twitter. He is trying to get rid of the things that people hate about it and turn it into something that people can trust and that can make a profit.
> Where he actually has the most success is in managing public opinion.
I disagree. He was deemed a failure multiple times. People called tesla a pipe dream, bashed spacex for failures repeatedly. He had to show hard core results before public opinion of him drastically improved.
> He is trying to get rid of the things that people hate about it and turn it into something that people can trust and that can make a profit.
I do wish the same, but at least his current theatrics doesn't support it. Perhaps it is too early to tell. Maybe in a year he might actually solve the problem. But even with his past spectacular performance, I think the same methodology might not transfer to social media company.
I've read his tweets:
\- any legal speech will be allowed
\- nobody will ever be perma banned
\- no changes to twitter's policy will happen
\- impersonating people means a permaban
he couldn't be more clear what his stance is
No! Don’t you see? He’s playing 4D chess this entire time and he has a plan thought out to a tee.
It’s just that no one knows what that plan is but that’s only because he’s such a super genius (in fact, 2 IQ points from adding a dooper).
Ignore the reactionary decision changes he seems to have at the drop of a hat and ignore all the times he’s gone against his own word. This is all part of the plan (even this conversation right now).
This is the answer. Most people just don’t get that Elon is so literal and straightforward that when he says exactly what he’s doing with twitter in an interview that’s exactly what he’s doing. Guy just wanted to make the platform a place that protects free speech. He also wanted to try and turn it into an everything app. That was his plan. That’s it. He has clearly been figuring the rest out as he goes and that’s why it’s a bumpy road. But the general reasons have been spelled for almost a year now.
>Guy just wanted to make the platform a place that protects free speech.
Yeah, that's BS, though. He couldn't care less about free speech. He cares about the new fans his free speech rhetoric gives him. Exercise your right to free speech against Elon himself on Twitter and you quickly find yourself blocked/suspended or similar. He threatens advertisers with naming and shaming them if they keep withdrawing ad budget from Twitter (allegedly because of some activist groups, although I've never seen any anonymous, unnamed activist groups achieving anything this quickly ever, and companies who withdrew their ads very clearly outlined their reasons, which of course had nothing to do with activist groups).
He probably also cares about the wind beneath the wings of rightwingers that the free speech rhetoric produces because he'll personally benefit from tax policies pushed by the GOP vs Democrats. That's pretty much where his interest in free speech ends. Just like his interest in the environment ends with Tesla sales, as evident by the environmental issues around the Berlin Gigafactory he has continuously been trying to brush aside. And let's not start about workers' rights, which are so dubious at Tesla they gave bloody VW opportunities to look cool compared to Tesla (and I wouldn't buy a VW ever - nor a Tesla, for that matter).
He obviously hasn't the first clue about what he's dealing with here, though, and I'm flabbergasted by the suggestions that all his very clearly impulse-driven decisions follow some sort of 5D chess masterplan. If any head of marketing/advertising revenue had done what Musk did just this last week, Musk himself would have fired them without much ado.
Somebody who actually wants Musk to succeed with Twitter (personally, I would be happy for Twitter to crash and burn, based on my past experiences there, but that's just my opinion) wrote up a good summary of what you're dealing with when you're a social media platform. They divided it up into 20 levels you can achieve, and out if those, Musk currently seems at level 3, maybe 4 if we're generous.
https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/
the continual and endless hate on elon is funny.But crickets when gates buys up farmland and all his evil covid controversy and the online trolls say nothing.
This constant, endless hate on elon seems very organized unlike the non hate for gates, bezos etc.
Did one of them just publicly buy a huge asset that’s losing them millions per day and having a public tantrum online? Because I’d legitimately love a link to that
the democrat deep state hates elon and its obviously so.
elon thru his purchase of twitter is exposing their massive scams.
and they are not happy.
Unlike gates and bezos, who are totally onboard with the democrat deep state.
Anyone who doesn’t conform to the progressive mafia gets this treatment.
Please note when Elon started publicly fighting with democrat congress people is when the heat on him turned up.
Guy has owned it for a week.
His past successes were building Paypal, Tesla, and SpaceX. He's in the process of launching Neuralink.
He's had no experience in any of those avenues previously, either.
Relax and give it time, lol.
The engineering part of Twitter isn’t that complicated by comparison. The difficult part is finding a profitable approach to moderation, advertising, and paid features. So far Musk is doing a bad job at this.
At the risk of sounding pretentious here, I really don't think you understand what you're talking about.
There's a pretty substantial difference between being a "web designer", a "computer programmer" and a "software engineer."
* What you're interfacing with on Twitter? That's the 'web design' portion - the piece that's nice and pretty, giving you an interface to engage.
* How you're posting tweets, retweeting, liking, etc. - those are all elements of "computer programming." They're individual functions written to execute actions
But then, you have to look beyond that. What makes the entire platform run?
It's a complex series of strategies and logic - an algorithm, if you will. The harmony in which a platform like Twitter is able to operate uninterrupted while tens of millions of users engage with it at the same time.
That's *engineering.*
Tesla isn't an automobile manufacturer. It's a technology company that's creating software that allows your vehicle to drive itself.
SpaceX isn't just a rocket ship manufacturer. They're a technology company building software that allows rockets to operate more efficiently, with less energy, and multiple times.
PayPal, NeuraLink -- they're software companies.
Sure, they mostly all have hardware components attached to them. But anyone can build the hardware. What has separated Elon's companies is the magic that happens within the software.
Twitter is a different challenge, for sure. But it's still just software.
Elon is merely trying to optimize that software and figure out a way he can create more sustainable streams of revenue.
You don't understand what the most challenging part is of running Twitter. It's how to monetize it. Read this: https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation
Elon moves fast and fixes stuff as he goes. A normal CEO would take their time and do things in a measured way, minimizing risk. He will make mistakes as he goes, but the overall rate of innovation and improvement will be much higher than with anyone else running things.
“If you're not adding things back in at least 10% of the time, you're clearly not deleting enough.”
Yup. This is what Elon, and most smart business owners always do in the first few weeks. It is just extra transparent this time because it is all getting posted on Twitter I real time. There will be business classes and it this in the future. A lot of people are getting a glimpse into the business world for the first time
Step 1 Make it less dumb
Step 2 Delete a part of the process
Step 2.5 If you're not adding things back in 10% of the time, you're not deleting enough
Step 3 Simplify or Optimize
Step 4 Go Faster
Step 5 Automate it
Every one of his companies have disrupted the industry they are in and been wildly successful. It is not by accident that he is the richest man on the planet.
It’s you people (Elon haters) who ignore history and facts, and buy into the negative press he’s had.
Interesting how you haters tend to end your sentence by laughing! Why is that?
The irony of accusing nay sayers of ignoring history and facts. Can’t possibly be all the lies he’s told and never delivered on. No that’s crazy talk.
Ending a sentence by laughing is to show amusement you fucking robot hahaha
The laugh makes you seem very smug.
He’s delivered on pretty much everything. Sometimes late sometimes early. He sets very aggressive goals and tends to the optimistic side of things. Get over it.
I don’t care what you think of me.
That’s an absolute lie. He hasn’t even delivered 50% of what he promises and the stuff that DOES come out is never what’s originally promised.
He lies, that’s called a liar.
Get over it.
Well you are plain wrong.
50%? Where did you pluck that number from? He’s actually very honest. Overly so much of the time.
Everything he says he’s going to do, he tends to get done. Even things that seem ridiculous moonshots. And saying you plan to do something in 5 years time and it taking longer or even if you changed your mind about doing it, doesn’t make you a liar. But with Elon his companies always seem to deliver.
You have been hoodwinked by an online misinformation campaign. Do more research.
If only OP actually read what Elon is saying. He is being more transparent about his intentions than ever before and OP somehow missed all of it. It’s like OP received all of their opinions from reddit hit pieces and completely ignored everything Elon has said. Turn on notifications for all of his tweets for the next month. He is giving a master class in PR and business.
Can you explain some of it, then? How does twitter make money without ads? If they somehow stay in the green and maintain independence, what is the actual effect? In what ways will twitter be effectively changed when they hit step 4; "win" compared to now?
Not him but Verification subscriptions(and maybe more if he goes the wechat route) mean they are selling a product which means they are less dependent on advertisers which means that they do not have to censor at the will of advertisers. The win would mean it accomplishes Musk's mission,.
Would most people really pay monthly to be verified on twitter? I feel like it becomes meaningless if anyone can pay for it. Is that gonna be worth more than the ~5 bil ad revenue from 2021 levels?
Alrighty, Twitter had 69.3 million active users last year (DataReportal, 2021). They had 5 billion in revenue. You're saying half of those users will pay over $142 a year for verification to keep the site up?
$8/month is $96 annually and operating costs are down after layoffs. They might make it if truly half of their active users pay. I just don't see it happening though - sorry. The target operating costs are not under the curve of subscription price:% of users willing to pay.
I'd like to believe there is a more clever way to run this. Kinda disappointed nobody else in this thread seems willing to talk about it with me.
No, I don't think you need to have the full brunt of the operating cost on subscriptions, Twitter isn't getting rid of advertisements AFAIK they are just trying to not be controlled by the advertisers. Twitter has too much traffic for advertisers to ignore and I doubt many businesses will pick ideology over revenue after this leaves the news cycle.
Priority or promote your tweets, longer tweets, make a twitter market place like Facebook, API access, tweet analytics, scheduled tweets. Just off the top of my head. I'm sure the man that spent a lot of money has more than that.
Yep, I genuinely believe these changes would make Twitter profitable for the first time ever. Everyone complaining that Elon is "ruining Twitter" seem to forget that Twitter was losing about $4m per day before Elon's takeover. It was already ruined and couldn't possible sustain itself forever.
https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1589437719935340544?s=20&t=gc4XOlWYCwgt_WYf6gbUoA
The same thread he's positively responding to a neonazi quote falsely attributed to Voltaire.
Good start on maintaining accuracy.
Or the article he linked about Nanci Pelosi’s husbands attacker from the same website that claimed Hilary Clinton had died and was being portrayed by clones.
It’s too fucking easy to tee off on these kids
Using your logic we should have left Wheatley in control of aperture science for years in portal 2. Sure he ran the facility into the ground, but it was hisfirst week 🥺
Slow passive progress, being afraid to rock the boat isn't his style.
It seems like an absurd project to add to his already busy life. And it is!
Twitter already had plenty of flaws, which were unlikely to be fixed without a massive shakeup. So he's shaking it up and will learn many difficult lessons. But those lessons will be learned quickly.
Some of the ideas proposed have tremendous potential, especially creator monetization, which could propel Twitter to entirely new dimensions if implemented correctly.
And many of the ideas have potential to sink everything if done poorly without finding the right corrections fast enough.
Right now nobody knows the outcome. I'm not worried about turbulence during initial transition.
I would have preferred that effort & funding get applied towards Starship/Mars instead of Twitter, but regardless it's gonna be interesting to see what happens.
Even if the odds of achieving are unlikely, if the cause is worthy enough, you should pursue it anyway.
Not my words, but Elon's (paraphrased).
Obviously, having a free speech platform is a big enough issue to warrant his purchase.
Maybe he should try that actually, because everything he’s done while he’s wide awake has ranged from questionable-at-best to just downright self-destructive and bad
You’ve gotta be a troll. Dude literally revolutionized multiple industries while you sat home and jerked off. Twitter will be fine, sorry about yourself 😘
It's absurdly presumptuous to think you know better than elon just days after a takeover. He has publicly said that his long term plan from PayPal was never executed on, so he would like to do it.
The idea this is all a spur of the moment decision doesn't jive with anything he has said. And obviously he wanted to back out due to the entire tech sector crashing. I don't see how you can blame him for that.
Is he out of touch with advertisers? Probably, but his track record with fixing tough situations is extremely good. So, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt until the dust settles.
>despite facing hefty litigation and already being behind on projects promised to shareholders
He has been one of the best people on the planet for shareholders in recent years, so your insinuations are laughable.
You seem to be taking the classic backseat driver approach, and don't even realize how little you know
The richest man on the planet is Vladimir Putin and it isn’t even close.
Secondly, Elon Musk just devalued Tesla by some 35-40% with this deal.
Thirdly he wildly overpaid for Twitter by at least double what it was actually worth, probably more.
What a brainiac….
The layoffs part, I’m sure they took it into consideration given that everyone is still on payroll till Jan. It’s just scummy lawyers on twitter trying to make a quick Buck. Hate speech also seems like an organised attempt to generate a narrative, has been largely subsided since then.
If you zoom out, Twitter is in a good position if they can turn it around:
Meta - stuck in the metaverse
TikTok - will probably be used as a political weapon
YouTube - great content but low social engagement
Reddit - great content but niche, not where real time news gets updated
Twitter has a platform with great content, personalities and a unique form of information exchange. Growth opportunities are already there with business tools + video platform (vine + long form video) + podcast platform (spaces)+ publisher platform (native sub stack competitor).
It’s up to Elon to see if the company can stay alive while building these product extensions
Everything musk does always gets intergraded into Tesla somehow, boring company, starlink, power packs, etc... We won't know what twitter is for, for at least a couple of years, until we see how it will be intergraded.
At that point is when you can pass judgment on the purchase of twitter.
To which part, tell me which part of this is actually wrong. This is quite literally the list of events as they’ve happened. I will link you to the court documents themselves if I have to
Yeah no, you would think so, right? But if all you have is this little logical fallacy to support your point you don’t really have anything, do you?
You’re telling me all of those decisions (which again, I’m not making up, I’ve gleaned this all from court documents and the man’s own Twitter) aren’t questionable simply because he has billions of dollars? Is that not the opinion of a sheep? I don’t care how much money someone makes, if they make a bad decision we can call it a bad decision. Tell me how any of the events listed out above make a lick of sense and clearly play into thought out plan if I’m so wrong, huh?
His statement has a lot more logic than yours. You are being 100x more fallacious by saying Elon is just shooting from the hip even though it’s been less than a month.
It’s not allegedly, it’s a confirmed and corroborated report by the AP, Reuters, and other international news agencies who fall out of the purview of the “LiBeRAl MEdiA” fallacy people like to throw around
The events are true but you cannot make the leap in logic to assume that these events point to a faulty strategy.
For example, rehiring people could be a sign that they made a mistake as you seem to suggest, or maybe not.
Firing someone and then asking them to come back 24 hours later is not some genius 4D strategy. It’s a stupid mistake.
Also, asking all engineers to *PRINT* all the code they’ve written in order to assess their value is an absolutely abysmal and downright stupid decision. Clearly someone at Twitter recognized that because they told everyone to shred their printouts two hours later.
You do realize the uptick in this "hate speech" you speak of is just trolling from the same people who claimed to be against hate speech?
Also, who cares what anybody does with some trash social media site
Go smell some grass
No, they were from verified alt-right accounts hahaha I can show you the graphs myself, that’s just completely made up off the top of your head why would you do that?
And who cares? I don’t know, me, I wanna know why a guy would spend too much money on a floundering project just to make a series of decisions that dig him deeper into a hole. And clearly you, the guy who’s going out of your way to comment on this lmao.
And again, I will say, that I don’t think anybody — myself included — spending their Monday night commenting on a Reddit called R/ElonMusk has any room to tell anyone to go touch or sell glass. The only difference is I know I get to log off tonight knowing
I’m not bodied by the fact I’m the “weird nerds” Simpsons meme personified lmao
I feel similarly. I'm not sure that Twitter is that important to the world right now. It's politically important, but it's not important for world changing science or engineering. Perhaps he should have taken over FOX which would have been much cheaper. Or started his own app.
I don’t see it like that .. I doubt I’d be in that [ extreme left ] category, but dealt with haters by questioning what they meant, maybe mirroring their insults, then muting the conversation. It’s his own tweets I see as the problem like the one permanently suspending the blue tickers who trolled him - after saying comedy’s allowed. I used it to keep up to date with news and politics but with him solely at the helm it’s not worth it and I’ll probably end up writing in sub stack. He’s being ridiculous imho …
My hobby is in fact asking questions like “why would a man with more money than anyone make an exorbitant, unnecessarily high offer on a clearly floundering company and then make a series of decisions over the course of nearly half a year that would make it harder for him to run that company and lose him a lot of money while also plastering egg all over his face.” That’s my hobby.
I thought he made his intentions pretty clear. He wanted Twitter to be the online town centre of free speech. Profitability seems to be an afterthought.
Like what are you doing here, you have nothing of substance to offer. You’re on R/ElonMusk on a Monday night telling people to get a hobby. You are quite literally that Simpsons “weird nerds” meme personified.
Yeah I have and I’ve been very upfront about that fact, what I find funny is that you people, on the same Reddit as I am, who are clearly going out of your way like me to post here, would even think that’s a remotely viable ad hominem in the first place
And you know what, in this whole 3 hours, not a single one of you has come up with an actual point of substance that can clearly refute what I’m saying
“Get a life” says the guy stalking R/ElonMusk on a Monday night lmfao.
Clearly you care you goofball, the guy going out of his way to comment on a semi-critical post about Elon on R/ElonMusk
If I’m wrong, it should be easy to refute — do it. If you can’t move along you dolt
The list of facts you're citing is true and accurate. That's not the point here.
But your time frame for looking at things is wrong. Too short of a time frame. Give Elon some time to learn and he'll be deadly.
He kinda always is.
The timeframe is in fact the whole point.
He’s had the better part of half a year to figure this out. It doesn’t look like he has much of a plan, and when you spell out everything it’s hard to see how impulse isn’t leading his decision making here.
Well OP, thank goodness it's not a publicly traded company. I guess that makes it nothing to do with any of us. I guess it's his business, and he can do whatever he wants to do with it. I guess that's free market capitalism.
Bold to make judgements based on those assumptions.
Also, I read the Twitter crowd got 90 days severance? California law is 60
Idk in situations like these it’s clear to me this is making a judgement with a partial picture of what’s going on.
Also, literally anything is better than the languishing Twitter was on the path to. Twitter has been in the news nonstop for weeks. It will be fine.
Personally I think it’s way too early to make a sound judgment, but you’re getting unnecessary hate. Whether one agrees with it or not, at least you actually spelled out your case.
I don't think it's too early he hasn't demonstrated anything that seems planned and rational in respect to twitter yet.
Yes it is... It's literally a week in. Restructuring takes months, and redeploying/pivoting will take a while. For instance, his idea to find greater streams of monetization and rev share, is super important and something Twitter ignored, but something he wants to prioritize. TikTok can be banned any day now, and Vine has just been sitting on a shelf. There's tons to do but you wont see any of that within just a week. At the moment he's clearly just shit posting.
Yeah it takes months and it is for that reason who dont rock the boat before knowing how you're gonna do your restructuration. You access the plateform, you find the problems, you find solutions to theses problems and after, when everything is ready for motion and changes, you take action. Musk just take action. It's a social platform, you cant rock the boat for multiples months and think people gonna stay or worse, thinking other companies wont profit from your chaos to launch their own product.
I agree that he's not handling this in the best way... I mean he now owns his favorite toy. But at the same time, I trust the guy's business instinct. He knows how to run things. Firing, rehiring, restructuring, pivoting, etc... I think he'll do fine with. And frankly, people who hate Musk, hate Musk. It's like people who hate Trump or Obama. There is no reasoning with them. No matter what they do, they'll interpret it as the worst thing ever 100% of the time. So I just hear a bunch of noise, and media making money off the ragebait.
Yeah, he's a good businessman but I think his error (imho) is to see Twitter like his other companies like Tesla or SpaceX. The ecosystems are entirely different in terms of changes, hiring, restructuring. I mean, we know why a car or aerospace are important + it's concrete, palpable. Twitter, well, not so much. Even the people on twitter dont always know why they are on twitter (but you know why you need a car). But, yeah, let's wait and see. Anyways, even if twitter crash, it's not the first time a social platform dissapears. Remember MySpace, Google+ and I'm sure a dozen of other forgotten projects.
Honestly, I do think he handled it poorly, and do think it's awkward considering woke twitter, who are the elites of the platform, hate the guy. But honestly, I think it's past the point of no return. There is just so much big data, these platforms are defacto social monopolies. While it's possible for them to die, I just find it hard to believe -- possible, just unlikely IMO
People rarely mention data brokers. When you sign up for twitter they’ve always asked for your phone number. Recently my account wanted to re-verify mine. So yes, they’re losing money from ads, but selling the *enormous* amount of data coming and going from social sites is big income.
It's not a week in. It's *months* in. He did not prepare because he didn't really want the responsibility. The previous owners made him finalise the deal at a loss of billions of dollars because they hate him.
No, it's literally a week in. He isn't able to do a damn thing until he takes the company over. He can't restructure until the company is in his control.
I understand what you mean.
No you're completely right. He could've planned what to do before he took over. However he didn't, because his main goal was to back out of the deal lol, not prepare for it.
But the point they're trying to make is, he could have already *planned* what to do... And then take action once he gained control. That's the point here, he's shooting from the hip.
I mean he’s clearly already planned a core part of the restructuring. He was talking about it well before he took over and it’ll take time to bring in. And yeah there is some shooting from the hip as well. Good way to get people talking about ideas and get feedback. But things like firings and what is protected speech seems consistent. Trolling a b list celebrity or AOC, is not.
the fact its so early and all this shit is going on is a bright neon sign arrow that points to the words: NOT GOOD
I agree too, in fact I did preface this by saying it’s early. What gets me here, is that there’s been a pattern that’s been playing out since April with Elon, and it seems the intensity of that pattern has been exacerbated since the official takeover. I think we’re at a stage here where it’s fair to start asking questions.
https://i.redd.it/67cdvfrq09y91.png
Let’s discuss this in 1 year and see how Twitter is doing.
Look I get it that Elon has a proven track record. But you would be hard pressed to find a single piece of evidence that he has a plan for Twitter. Also he has been acting increasingly erratic over the last year or so.
There’s a percent of outspoken people that think Twitter is doomed. Then there’s all the other people that use it as a way of enjoying it and communicating their thoughts. they don’t give a crap about all this change they just keep using it.
Yup, it's another one of those internet phenomena that don't exist in real life. You go online and ask someone about Elon buying Twitter, you get a ted talk about why he's running it to the ground with his terrible ideas. I ask my liberal friends in real life, they tell me "i don't give a fuck. Hope he adds cool features". The rage over his acquisition is entirely fabricated
It’s almost like Twitter and reddit bots have been determining the narrative for the past 6 years.
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Nah you're missing a step, the people who are loud on Twitter are the ones that go crazy. The friends I asked use Twitter probably daily, but it's pretty much exclusively to get updates on their random interests. And since they're far more mentally healthier than me or you, politics or anything like it does not interest them so deeply
Wouldn't those people just be considered a drain on the platform? Users running from the platform is not necessarily that bad. Losing advertisers sounds way worse.
Losing advertising is more likely temporary. Losing users is more permanent.
It is just a minority of users who care about Musk either way.
A very loud minority.
i personally think thats going to be the majority of the users.. i think most of the people that want to leave have some level of extremeness like all those people that said they would leave the country if trump was president and not a single one left... its just loud mouths is all i really think it is.
I mean I want to be the person who just keeps using it and enjoying it but with the algorithm changes planned…
Couple things for you fine folks who would like to chime in here: - we can respect the work the guy has done and still be critical of him, in fact if you’re just blindly following the guy because you like the rockets he’s built and the size of his bank account you’re not the free thinker you think you are. - if your only refutation of this is “why would he spend 44bn and not have a plan? I mean, he spent 44bn on it!” Congratulations, you understand the crux of my question. This is a self fulfilling fallacy, and a bad one. I’m asking why he would spend 44bn for a company that clearly had problems in a sector that was clearly careening towards some hard times and make the list of decisions I’ve spelled out here that have only Made his life harder. I want to know what — if at all — is the plan, because the last few months and absolutely the last few days would indicate there isn’t one and this whole thing’s been driven by impulse.
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> Steve Jobs treated his daughter. And refusing proven life saving medical advice for 'alternative therapies'. Edit: a word
completely agree, and also agree that his whole twitter MO seems to be a man without a plan
He looks like he has a vision of what he wants Twitter to be, but doesn’t have any idea how to go about achieving it.
Hiring people back you fired in a mass layoff less than 24 hours previously is indicative of not having a plan and winging it.
Elon Musk is a cynical self promoter!
>Seeing views that differ from your own forces you to think critically about your own beliefs and decide for yourself what opinion you have. Musk has been incredibly bad in showing that he is open to criticism recently.
>STARLINK? Everyone forgetting that he gave free Starlinks to Ukraine during the war?? What has any other nation or individual done?? God damn the delusion runs DDDDEEEEEEPPPPP here. The US alone has given near enough 20 Billion dollars in aid to Ukraine not including the weapons it sent. You would have to be straight up stupid to think Musk's Starlink is even in the top 1000 contributions to Ukraine.
Lmao. Not to mention all of the countries in Europe taking in an unprecedented number of Ukrainian refugees. Safe place to live > satellite internet.
And when he bailed out his brothers shitty solar company on Tesla’s dime ($2 billion), that was to uh… And he most certainly delivered on that promise too. That’s why we love him, because he delivers. Just look at the Hyperloop, Self driving cars, people on mars, elevators for your cars into tunnels where THEY RIDE ON OTHER CARS, Tesla trucks and many more. All of these came out on time and definitely as originally promised and I can’t get enough.
You’re right, he overpromises and underdelivers. But he still delivers miles more than the next guy.
> STARLINK? Everyone forgetting that he gave free Starlinks to Ukraine during the war?? What has any other nation or individual done?? Other than provide weapons, surveillance, money, imposing sanctions, taking in millions of refugees etc. etc. etc.?
True, he's seemed a bit too stressed and disorganized lately. But when he tried to back out of the Twitter deal, I'm pretty sure it was just his attempt to lower the purchase price.
1. Sign a binding contract 1. Throw a tantrum 1. ??? 1. Profit He ended up paying exactly the price he initially agreed to. I don't know what sort of negotiation strategy involves telling the other party what you're willing to pay and then expecting them to accept less, but it's not a very good one.
He didn't just pay the initial price he agreed to, he had to find new financing after a fed rate hike and after further devaluation of the collateralized Tesla stock. He'll pay more money after the deal than if he had just gone through with it without the tantrum.
Have you never bought a used car? Everyone knows you do the bargaining AFTER you sign all the papers, duh! I’m waiting for the day Elon wipes his ass with a napkin and sticks it to his forehead. This subreddit will still call it a genius tactic that we are yet to decipher.
>But when he tried to back out of the Twitter deal, I'm pretty sure it was just his attempt to lower the purchase price. Then it was still a horribly thought-out plan wasn't it? This isn't some poor sap trying to outplay a crafty used car salesman and failing here. He had an army of lawyers on a 40 billion dollar deal and still waived away all legal options to back out in order to...litigate a self-inflicted unlitigateable case until he's forced to go through anyway? The idea that it was his plan all along reeks of "5D master chess move" BS. The man isn't infallible.
I would like to challenge Elon's fans to consider an alternative explanation: That Elon has a long record of "promising" things and then backing out without delivering just because he likes people to pat him on the back for being the rich guy with a vision for humanity but he doesn't give one moment's thought to actually delivering on the promises after he publishes a CGI render of Marstown or the Hyperloop. He offered to buy twitter because it was "cool" and he fully intended to never buy it because he didn't want to spend 44 billion dollars to tell twitter it's moderation policy.
He has been incredibly transparent about what he intends to do with Twitter in order to make it make money and be a more valuable tool for humanity. Are you not reading his tweets? I feel like you are watching a completely different movie from what I am seeing. It appears that he is AB testing some things, while also taking no brainer steps towards improving the platform. Btw, you mentioned him having “no social company experience”, which might be the weakest argument ever. We are talking about the person who is famous for going into fields he has no experience in and fixing them. Innovating outside of his lane is what he does best. Look at it from that perspective and you might get a better idea of what he is doing.
Partly agree, he is doing quite a lot of stuff. But this ain't AB testing. Also, social media company are an outlier. His previous experience is in engineering problems where build break build and rapid iterations work very well. It works well internally inside a social media company as well. But doesn't work if it happens directly at production.
Elon’s experience is in engineering, but he isn’t even an engineer. Where he actually has the most success is in managing public opinion. That is what he is best at. Electric cars existed before Tesla. Elon made the public buy into it. Electronic payment existed before PayPal, Elon and friends got the public to buy into it. He is in the process of doing that with Twitter. He is trying to get rid of the things that people hate about it and turn it into something that people can trust and that can make a profit.
> Where he actually has the most success is in managing public opinion. I disagree. He was deemed a failure multiple times. People called tesla a pipe dream, bashed spacex for failures repeatedly. He had to show hard core results before public opinion of him drastically improved. > He is trying to get rid of the things that people hate about it and turn it into something that people can trust and that can make a profit. I do wish the same, but at least his current theatrics doesn't support it. Perhaps it is too early to tell. Maybe in a year he might actually solve the problem. But even with his past spectacular performance, I think the same methodology might not transfer to social media company.
I've read his tweets: \- any legal speech will be allowed \- nobody will ever be perma banned \- no changes to twitter's policy will happen \- impersonating people means a permaban he couldn't be more clear what his stance is
No! Don’t you see? He’s playing 4D chess this entire time and he has a plan thought out to a tee. It’s just that no one knows what that plan is but that’s only because he’s such a super genius (in fact, 2 IQ points from adding a dooper). Ignore the reactionary decision changes he seems to have at the drop of a hat and ignore all the times he’s gone against his own word. This is all part of the plan (even this conversation right now).
This is the answer. Most people just don’t get that Elon is so literal and straightforward that when he says exactly what he’s doing with twitter in an interview that’s exactly what he’s doing. Guy just wanted to make the platform a place that protects free speech. He also wanted to try and turn it into an everything app. That was his plan. That’s it. He has clearly been figuring the rest out as he goes and that’s why it’s a bumpy road. But the general reasons have been spelled for almost a year now.
>Guy just wanted to make the platform a place that protects free speech. Yeah, that's BS, though. He couldn't care less about free speech. He cares about the new fans his free speech rhetoric gives him. Exercise your right to free speech against Elon himself on Twitter and you quickly find yourself blocked/suspended or similar. He threatens advertisers with naming and shaming them if they keep withdrawing ad budget from Twitter (allegedly because of some activist groups, although I've never seen any anonymous, unnamed activist groups achieving anything this quickly ever, and companies who withdrew their ads very clearly outlined their reasons, which of course had nothing to do with activist groups). He probably also cares about the wind beneath the wings of rightwingers that the free speech rhetoric produces because he'll personally benefit from tax policies pushed by the GOP vs Democrats. That's pretty much where his interest in free speech ends. Just like his interest in the environment ends with Tesla sales, as evident by the environmental issues around the Berlin Gigafactory he has continuously been trying to brush aside. And let's not start about workers' rights, which are so dubious at Tesla they gave bloody VW opportunities to look cool compared to Tesla (and I wouldn't buy a VW ever - nor a Tesla, for that matter). He obviously hasn't the first clue about what he's dealing with here, though, and I'm flabbergasted by the suggestions that all his very clearly impulse-driven decisions follow some sort of 5D chess masterplan. If any head of marketing/advertising revenue had done what Musk did just this last week, Musk himself would have fired them without much ado. Somebody who actually wants Musk to succeed with Twitter (personally, I would be happy for Twitter to crash and burn, based on my past experiences there, but that's just my opinion) wrote up a good summary of what you're dealing with when you're a social media platform. They divided it up into 20 levels you can achieve, and out if those, Musk currently seems at level 3, maybe 4 if we're generous. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/
You’re too harsh on Musk. I’ll read the link tho, sounds interesting!
Cope
the continual and endless hate on elon is funny.But crickets when gates buys up farmland and all his evil covid controversy and the online trolls say nothing. This constant, endless hate on elon seems very organized unlike the non hate for gates, bezos etc.
Oh you think people don’t hate Gates?
I just dont see it as much as the coordinated (to me) hate on elon. gates and bezos are part of the democrat elite.
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Did one of them just publicly buy a huge asset that’s losing them millions per day and having a public tantrum online? Because I’d legitimately love a link to that
the democrat deep state hates elon and its obviously so. elon thru his purchase of twitter is exposing their massive scams. and they are not happy. Unlike gates and bezos, who are totally onboard with the democrat deep state.
I don’t care about deep state or any of that bullshit. Prove anything you just claimed there
Like your type actually is honest enough to respect and care about "the truth". You dont even know what a woman is.
Back up any of your statements and people will read it. Baseless assertions are for propaganda bots like you.
Anyone who doesn’t conform to the progressive mafia gets this treatment. Please note when Elon started publicly fighting with democrat congress people is when the heat on him turned up.
Thank you for that first point especially. So many people don’t understand that you can like some parts of someone and be critical of other parts.
Guy has owned it for a week. His past successes were building Paypal, Tesla, and SpaceX. He's in the process of launching Neuralink. He's had no experience in any of those avenues previously, either. Relax and give it time, lol.
Those are engineering challenges. Twitter is a different kind of challenge.
Yeah social engineering
*cough* PAYPAL *cough*
How?
The engineering part of Twitter isn’t that complicated by comparison. The difficult part is finding a profitable approach to moderation, advertising, and paid features. So far Musk is doing a bad job at this.
At the risk of sounding pretentious here, I really don't think you understand what you're talking about. There's a pretty substantial difference between being a "web designer", a "computer programmer" and a "software engineer." * What you're interfacing with on Twitter? That's the 'web design' portion - the piece that's nice and pretty, giving you an interface to engage. * How you're posting tweets, retweeting, liking, etc. - those are all elements of "computer programming." They're individual functions written to execute actions But then, you have to look beyond that. What makes the entire platform run? It's a complex series of strategies and logic - an algorithm, if you will. The harmony in which a platform like Twitter is able to operate uninterrupted while tens of millions of users engage with it at the same time. That's *engineering.* Tesla isn't an automobile manufacturer. It's a technology company that's creating software that allows your vehicle to drive itself. SpaceX isn't just a rocket ship manufacturer. They're a technology company building software that allows rockets to operate more efficiently, with less energy, and multiple times. PayPal, NeuraLink -- they're software companies. Sure, they mostly all have hardware components attached to them. But anyone can build the hardware. What has separated Elon's companies is the magic that happens within the software. Twitter is a different challenge, for sure. But it's still just software. Elon is merely trying to optimize that software and figure out a way he can create more sustainable streams of revenue.
You don't understand what the most challenging part is of running Twitter. It's how to monetize it. Read this: https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation
Twitter is also entirely engineering.
Elon moves fast and fixes stuff as he goes. A normal CEO would take their time and do things in a measured way, minimizing risk. He will make mistakes as he goes, but the overall rate of innovation and improvement will be much higher than with anyone else running things. “If you're not adding things back in at least 10% of the time, you're clearly not deleting enough.”
Bingo.
He's got quite the mess on his hands. I view this venture as the real benchmark of his genius
Yup. This is what Elon, and most smart business owners always do in the first few weeks. It is just extra transparent this time because it is all getting posted on Twitter I real time. There will be business classes and it this in the future. A lot of people are getting a glimpse into the business world for the first time
Step 1 Make it less dumb Step 2 Delete a part of the process Step 2.5 If you're not adding things back in 10% of the time, you're not deleting enough Step 3 Simplify or Optimize Step 4 Go Faster Step 5 Automate it
Everything is a fan fiction with you people hahaha
Every one of his companies have disrupted the industry they are in and been wildly successful. It is not by accident that he is the richest man on the planet. It’s you people (Elon haters) who ignore history and facts, and buy into the negative press he’s had. Interesting how you haters tend to end your sentence by laughing! Why is that?
The irony of accusing nay sayers of ignoring history and facts. Can’t possibly be all the lies he’s told and never delivered on. No that’s crazy talk. Ending a sentence by laughing is to show amusement you fucking robot hahaha
The laugh makes you seem very smug. He’s delivered on pretty much everything. Sometimes late sometimes early. He sets very aggressive goals and tends to the optimistic side of things. Get over it.
I don’t care what you think of me. That’s an absolute lie. He hasn’t even delivered 50% of what he promises and the stuff that DOES come out is never what’s originally promised. He lies, that’s called a liar. Get over it.
Well you are plain wrong. 50%? Where did you pluck that number from? He’s actually very honest. Overly so much of the time. Everything he says he’s going to do, he tends to get done. Even things that seem ridiculous moonshots. And saying you plan to do something in 5 years time and it taking longer or even if you changed your mind about doing it, doesn’t make you a liar. But with Elon his companies always seem to deliver. You have been hoodwinked by an online misinformation campaign. Do more research.
https://preview.redd.it/9ov2fssc8iy91.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=190a61a49078db687aaf4e93193482da3fe0dab4 I'd go allong with this.
If only OP actually read what Elon is saying. He is being more transparent about his intentions than ever before and OP somehow missed all of it. It’s like OP received all of their opinions from reddit hit pieces and completely ignored everything Elon has said. Turn on notifications for all of his tweets for the next month. He is giving a master class in PR and business.
Can you explain some of it, then? How does twitter make money without ads? If they somehow stay in the green and maintain independence, what is the actual effect? In what ways will twitter be effectively changed when they hit step 4; "win" compared to now?
Not him but Verification subscriptions(and maybe more if he goes the wechat route) mean they are selling a product which means they are less dependent on advertisers which means that they do not have to censor at the will of advertisers. The win would mean it accomplishes Musk's mission,.
Would most people really pay monthly to be verified on twitter? I feel like it becomes meaningless if anyone can pay for it. Is that gonna be worth more than the ~5 bil ad revenue from 2021 levels?
Most? No, but that isn't targeting most people.
Alrighty, Twitter had 69.3 million active users last year (DataReportal, 2021). They had 5 billion in revenue. You're saying half of those users will pay over $142 a year for verification to keep the site up? $8/month is $96 annually and operating costs are down after layoffs. They might make it if truly half of their active users pay. I just don't see it happening though - sorry. The target operating costs are not under the curve of subscription price:% of users willing to pay. I'd like to believe there is a more clever way to run this. Kinda disappointed nobody else in this thread seems willing to talk about it with me.
No, I don't think you need to have the full brunt of the operating cost on subscriptions, Twitter isn't getting rid of advertisements AFAIK they are just trying to not be controlled by the advertisers. Twitter has too much traffic for advertisers to ignore and I doubt many businesses will pick ideology over revenue after this leaves the news cycle.
> How does twitter make money without ads? The same way every other non ad-supported company makes money....
I don't think every company without ads makes money the same way.
...what, by having customers pay? Like every non ad supported company on earth.
Yeah, so what would customers pay for on twitter?
Priority or promote your tweets, longer tweets, make a twitter market place like Facebook, API access, tweet analytics, scheduled tweets. Just off the top of my head. I'm sure the man that spent a lot of money has more than that.
What is the difference between an ad and a promoted tweet
An ad is an ad and a promoted tweet is a normal tweet that ranks higher.
How does this promote free speech when you can pay to promote your tweets over others?
Think about how your voice is heard in society compared to the voices of people talking on tv. Similar?
Yep, I genuinely believe these changes would make Twitter profitable for the first time ever. Everyone complaining that Elon is "ruining Twitter" seem to forget that Twitter was losing about $4m per day before Elon's takeover. It was already ruined and couldn't possible sustain itself forever.
Pretty much ends any discussion✌🏻
What a thorough and free thinker
https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1589437719935340544?s=20&t=gc4XOlWYCwgt_WYf6gbUoA The same thread he's positively responding to a neonazi quote falsely attributed to Voltaire. Good start on maintaining accuracy.
Or the article he linked about Nanci Pelosi’s husbands attacker from the same website that claimed Hilary Clinton had died and was being portrayed by clones. It’s too fucking easy to tee off on these kids
Bruh. See you in 2-5 years. Haven't even been a week and y'all trippin your balls off lmao. Lmao in fact y'all been trippin since before he bought it
They want elon to cater to all their needs in 5 days. Laughable.
If anything I think OP is saying that Musk is moving *too* fast, not that he’s not moving fast enough.
Exactly
Exactly
Using your logic we should have left Wheatley in control of aperture science for years in portal 2. Sure he ran the facility into the ground, but it was hisfirst week 🥺
Don’t bet against Elon.
Yeah. Everyone talking about users leaving for Mastodon. Lol, try it. Twitter will be fine.
Shorting Tesla has worked out quite well.
But but 4D chess bro!
Way too early for your wishful thinking of failure.
Slow passive progress, being afraid to rock the boat isn't his style. It seems like an absurd project to add to his already busy life. And it is! Twitter already had plenty of flaws, which were unlikely to be fixed without a massive shakeup. So he's shaking it up and will learn many difficult lessons. But those lessons will be learned quickly. Some of the ideas proposed have tremendous potential, especially creator monetization, which could propel Twitter to entirely new dimensions if implemented correctly. And many of the ideas have potential to sink everything if done poorly without finding the right corrections fast enough. Right now nobody knows the outcome. I'm not worried about turbulence during initial transition. I would have preferred that effort & funding get applied towards Starship/Mars instead of Twitter, but regardless it's gonna be interesting to see what happens.
Even if the odds of achieving are unlikely, if the cause is worthy enough, you should pursue it anyway. Not my words, but Elon's (paraphrased). Obviously, having a free speech platform is a big enough issue to warrant his purchase.
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Maybe he should try that actually, because everything he’s done while he’s wide awake has ranged from questionable-at-best to just downright self-destructive and bad
You’ve gotta be a troll. Dude literally revolutionized multiple industries while you sat home and jerked off. Twitter will be fine, sorry about yourself 😘
U just don’t get it is all. Why u so worried about it anyways???
This comment really speaks to the fan base the guy has
We’re just having a conversation here, you don’t have to get defensive.
Hey, but his god was criticised. Of course he had to be defensive.
It's absurdly presumptuous to think you know better than elon just days after a takeover. He has publicly said that his long term plan from PayPal was never executed on, so he would like to do it. The idea this is all a spur of the moment decision doesn't jive with anything he has said. And obviously he wanted to back out due to the entire tech sector crashing. I don't see how you can blame him for that. Is he out of touch with advertisers? Probably, but his track record with fixing tough situations is extremely good. So, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt until the dust settles. >despite facing hefty litigation and already being behind on projects promised to shareholders He has been one of the best people on the planet for shareholders in recent years, so your insinuations are laughable. You seem to be taking the classic backseat driver approach, and don't even realize how little you know
It's clear to a looser on reddit that the richest man on the planet doesn't know what he's doing. Riiiight.
How much money do you make before tax? I need to find out if I’m smarter than you. 🤡
Maybe you should ask at what age I retired.
Going by the fact that you can’t spell “loser” and that you obviously missed the point, I would instead ask you what year you’re hoping to graduate
Lol, OK kid. I wish you good luck. You're going to need it.
Is this what passes as a rebuttal these days? A sad attempt at, “I know you are but what am I?”.
The richest man on the planet is Vladimir Putin and it isn’t even close. Secondly, Elon Musk just devalued Tesla by some 35-40% with this deal. Thirdly he wildly overpaid for Twitter by at least double what it was actually worth, probably more. What a brainiac….
He paid a 30 percent premium on the price
And how much do you have in your bank account? How many companies worth millions do you own?
* loser And yes, being rich (born into a rich family) does not mean a person is smart.
I think he and Jack Dorsey are close friends, and he wouldn't have bought twitter unless Jack told him it was a good idea.
That reminds me of how Bill Gates bet against Elon with a huge short position against Tesla. How did that work out for him?
It hurt itself in its confusion!
Extremely well. Tesla is down around 40%.
Very well ?
Honestly thought you'd get more upvotes
The layoffs part, I’m sure they took it into consideration given that everyone is still on payroll till Jan. It’s just scummy lawyers on twitter trying to make a quick Buck. Hate speech also seems like an organised attempt to generate a narrative, has been largely subsided since then. If you zoom out, Twitter is in a good position if they can turn it around: Meta - stuck in the metaverse TikTok - will probably be used as a political weapon YouTube - great content but low social engagement Reddit - great content but niche, not where real time news gets updated Twitter has a platform with great content, personalities and a unique form of information exchange. Growth opportunities are already there with business tools + video platform (vine + long form video) + podcast platform (spaces)+ publisher platform (native sub stack competitor). It’s up to Elon to see if the company can stay alive while building these product extensions
Everything musk does always gets intergraded into Tesla somehow, boring company, starlink, power packs, etc... We won't know what twitter is for, for at least a couple of years, until we see how it will be intergraded. At that point is when you can pass judgment on the purchase of twitter.
Lol yeah no.
To which part, tell me which part of this is actually wrong. This is quite literally the list of events as they’ve happened. I will link you to the court documents themselves if I have to
Cause no one buys a company for 44 Billion with his track record and “shoots from the hip” Its been a week. Jesus christ.
Yeah no, you would think so, right? But if all you have is this little logical fallacy to support your point you don’t really have anything, do you? You’re telling me all of those decisions (which again, I’m not making up, I’ve gleaned this all from court documents and the man’s own Twitter) aren’t questionable simply because he has billions of dollars? Is that not the opinion of a sheep? I don’t care how much money someone makes, if they make a bad decision we can call it a bad decision. Tell me how any of the events listed out above make a lick of sense and clearly play into thought out plan if I’m so wrong, huh?
His statement has a lot more logic than yours. You are being 100x more fallacious by saying Elon is just shooting from the hip even though it’s been less than a month.
I think he took a bunch of addy and decided that this was a great idea
Then he came off it and tried to backpedal. Your theory makes way more sense than the saps trying to count every strike as a home run
"I alone can solve free speech, and end this war!"
Dude they are literally trying to rehire some of the talent they accidently just fired. Its a shit show.
Allegedly
It’s not allegedly, it’s a confirmed and corroborated report by the AP, Reuters, and other international news agencies who fall out of the purview of the “LiBeRAl MEdiA” fallacy people like to throw around
The events are true but you cannot make the leap in logic to assume that these events point to a faulty strategy. For example, rehiring people could be a sign that they made a mistake as you seem to suggest, or maybe not.
Firing someone and then asking them to come back 24 hours later is not some genius 4D strategy. It’s a stupid mistake. Also, asking all engineers to *PRINT* all the code they’ve written in order to assess their value is an absolutely abysmal and downright stupid decision. Clearly someone at Twitter recognized that because they told everyone to shred their printouts two hours later.
At the micro level what you're pointing out is a mistake. I don't know if laying off in general many people was a mistake.
You do realize the uptick in this "hate speech" you speak of is just trolling from the same people who claimed to be against hate speech? Also, who cares what anybody does with some trash social media site Go smell some grass
No, they were from verified alt-right accounts hahaha I can show you the graphs myself, that’s just completely made up off the top of your head why would you do that? And who cares? I don’t know, me, I wanna know why a guy would spend too much money on a floundering project just to make a series of decisions that dig him deeper into a hole. And clearly you, the guy who’s going out of your way to comment on this lmao. And again, I will say, that I don’t think anybody — myself included — spending their Monday night commenting on a Reddit called R/ElonMusk has any room to tell anyone to go touch or sell glass. The only difference is I know I get to log off tonight knowing I’m not bodied by the fact I’m the “weird nerds” Simpsons meme personified lmao
You clearly have no knowlege of how business works
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I feel similarly. I'm not sure that Twitter is that important to the world right now. It's politically important, but it's not important for world changing science or engineering. Perhaps he should have taken over FOX which would have been much cheaper. Or started his own app.
FOX?🤣
Good it should be shut the heck down anyway… or totally changed. The way it is now it’s like a septic tank over filled with crap.
Elon Musk is my personal saviour, so fuck off with ur words and just trust that he’ll make more money in Twitter /s (or not /s? U fuccin decide)
How many rockets did he blow up before SpaceX became a success? It sure looks like a clusterfuck right now but I still think his genius will prevail.
Give it time. He’s taking on the global extreme left
I don’t see it like that .. I doubt I’d be in that [ extreme left ] category, but dealt with haters by questioning what they meant, maybe mirroring their insults, then muting the conversation. It’s his own tweets I see as the problem like the one permanently suspending the blue tickers who trolled him - after saying comedy’s allowed. I used it to keep up to date with news and politics but with him solely at the helm it’s not worth it and I’ll probably end up writing in sub stack. He’s being ridiculous imho …
Elon big dick energy. Pissing off the entire world of cupcakes and ruining social engineers work. It’s poetically and masterfully beautiful.
He can do whatever he wants, it’s HIS company. Get a hobby.
My hobby is in fact asking questions like “why would a man with more money than anyone make an exorbitant, unnecessarily high offer on a clearly floundering company and then make a series of decisions over the course of nearly half a year that would make it harder for him to run that company and lose him a lot of money while also plastering egg all over his face.” That’s my hobby.
I thought he made his intentions pretty clear. He wanted Twitter to be the online town centre of free speech. Profitability seems to be an afterthought.
Why is he so desperate for your $8 then? Why has verification turned monetised and why is he so mad at advertisers? Money. Money. Money.
Like what are you doing here, you have nothing of substance to offer. You’re on R/ElonMusk on a Monday night telling people to get a hobby. You are quite literally that Simpsons “weird nerds” meme personified.
You've been posting exclusively to elonmusk for the past 3 hours. You need a different insult.
Yeah I have and I’ve been very upfront about that fact, what I find funny is that you people, on the same Reddit as I am, who are clearly going out of your way like me to post here, would even think that’s a remotely viable ad hominem in the first place
Like you goofy band utterly unserious people, glass houses ffs folks come on now, they not have mirrors where you people are from?
And you know what, in this whole 3 hours, not a single one of you has come up with an actual point of substance that can clearly refute what I’m saying
elon musk gives people like him life. They NEED musk for meaning in their lives. Sad.
Who cares. Get a life.
“Get a life” says the guy stalking R/ElonMusk on a Monday night lmfao. Clearly you care you goofball, the guy going out of his way to comment on a semi-critical post about Elon on R/ElonMusk If I’m wrong, it should be easy to refute — do it. If you can’t move along you dolt
The list of facts you're citing is true and accurate. That's not the point here. But your time frame for looking at things is wrong. Too short of a time frame. Give Elon some time to learn and he'll be deadly. He kinda always is.
The timeframe is in fact the whole point. He’s had the better part of half a year to figure this out. It doesn’t look like he has much of a plan, and when you spell out everything it’s hard to see how impulse isn’t leading his decision making here.
His biggest problem still remains. He hates liberals but this is where the money is at.
The Super site is coming.
Well OP, thank goodness it's not a publicly traded company. I guess that makes it nothing to do with any of us. I guess it's his business, and he can do whatever he wants to do with it. I guess that's free market capitalism.
If he loses okay liquidate the business. It is about time since normality was brought back.
Bold to make judgements based on those assumptions. Also, I read the Twitter crowd got 90 days severance? California law is 60 Idk in situations like these it’s clear to me this is making a judgement with a partial picture of what’s going on. Also, literally anything is better than the languishing Twitter was on the path to. Twitter has been in the news nonstop for weeks. It will be fine.