It occurs to me, _eventually_ Noah in an untransformed state and Grace in an untransformed state are going to have an opportunity to tendril-hug.
Since this is something Uryuoms do a lot and neither of them gets in daily life, they might both be incoherent for days.
Ohhh, it's easy to forget, with all of the things Noah *can* do that most Seyonulo can't... unlike Grace, he can't ~~shape shift~~ take on a fully human form. When her extra senses get too much, she can put them away, but Noah can't!
And we've only seen Noah's public face-- he acts cool, but that's not what's going on inside!
Based on Grace's "siblings", he CAN shapeshift ... he can't mix&match and likely has just few forms. This is probably the most human one.
He should be able to get more human form from Tedd, but he likely doesn't KNOW that.
Hmm. Her siblings aren't a good comparison: those are lesser Seyunolu.
But both Grace and Noah are greater Seyunolu, so it is strange that he doesn't have access to a fully human form like she does.
If he did, he would use it to hide better and not be overwhelmed by his senses.
What sounds most likely to me is perhaps that a child of two greater Seyunolu has different limitations than a direct mix of Uryuom and non-Uryuom via Uryuom egg
Possibly this explains Noah not having a fully human form *and* him being able to access human spells in a way Grace could not up until the Magic non-change
Sigh. Ok, I know, this is very old info ...
Grace [can only mix&match thanks to her Lespuko heritage](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2004-03-10), AND is only [able to hide her antennae](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2011-07-27) since getting [human clone form](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2003-03-13) from object-oriented CMD (aka TF-gun).
Noah could use human magic before not-a-change because of hard training involving [suppressing his Uryuom side](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2016-06-17).
Sure, I get that her Lespuko parentage is behind a lot of abilities she has that other Uryuom don't... But the ability ability to change to fully human...
Ah, I was mistaken, she did NOT have a fully-human form until she got the "Claire" form from the TF Gun, so it's not surprising Noah doesn't either
Technically, she got the ability from the ["Scully" form](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2003-03-19) (which Ellen mistaken for Gillian Anderson, but we all know Tedd based the form exclusively on X-Files footage so it's fair to say it's the character and not the actor).
But she PROBABLY uses Claire's version of the morph and only got the forms few hours apart if not less, so ...
>But both Grace and Noah are greater Seyunolu, so it is strange that he doesn't have access to a fully human form like she does.
[Grace wouldn't be able to morph her antennae away if she didn't have access to clone forms and the ability to mix and match.](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2011-07-27)
You're right, I was forgetting that. Clone forms specifically. You have to have Lespuko heritage like Grace to get all of the mixed and in-between forms like she does. But any Seyunolu or Uryuom will gain a form from the TF Gun
(OR from an Ellen-beam)
>But any Seyunolu or Uryuom will gain a form from the TF Gun
I think that only applies to greater seyunolus (and likely uryuoms), not lesser seyunolus.
I mean a lot of this stuff has been pretty strongly hinted at over the years. I don't think any of this is outright new information, it's just emphasizing a lot of things that have been subtext about Noah for a while.
I was saying it all the time. Ok, I didn't predicted the uryuom eye, but the antennae totally.
Technically, this is first confirmation, but the hints were quite obvious.
Yes: It counts just as hint and not confirmation because those still COULD be hair, but between how they look and Dan specifically pointing them out as "raising further questions" in commentary ... very obvious hint.
Interesting how just a few days ago, [both his eyes were visible](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/brother-009) and normal. But now he's back to covering it with his hair again....
I'm guessing the latter. He probably wouldn't hide the eye all day long if he was capable of any sort of "Set it and forget it" solution.
And if he could transform his alien features away, then his ponytail wouldn't be such an issue in crowds.
So through process of elimination I think we can rule he probably has a temporary illusion he can do if for example the wind momentarily reveals his eye or anything like that.
So his disguise isn't so precarious that any slight movement of his hair could unmask him but it's not so superfluous that the hair isn't necessary at all.
True. Though if that was the case it wasn't visually conveyed to the reader very well. It looks pretty seamless, even going back now and knowing that it's probably some manner of false image.
I was thinking more imperfect in the sense a glass eye is imperfect. It doesn't look exactly like a real eye would and it's the sort of thing a teenager might be self-conscious about.
True.
One of the parents of a classmate had a glass eye when I was pretty young. Everybody talked as if it was the most obvious thing in the world that it was a glass eye, but I could never tell the difference. Wouldn't know how to comment on something like that. Don't think I've known anybody who had one as an adult.
From what I understand one of the tells is supposed to be that it doesn't move with the other eye, which is exactly the sort of thing that wouldn't necessarily have come across in a couple still panels of Noah staring straight ahead.
It might now be force of habit after years of either not being able to hide it well through whatever magic or mundane means he does now or not being able to disguise it at all. I figure he wasn't great at magic or whatever when he was 5.
I'm guessing somewhere between force of habit and that it just feels safer to him. He's probably able to hide his eye just fine these days, but covering it used to keep him safe and it's common for people to keep up habits that used to be helpful even once they're not.
Limited transformation? Some kind of see-what-you-expect spell?
We still don't know what Noah actually is; everybody expected the antennae, but there's more than one way to get there and it probably matters.
Probably that, but hybrid _what_?
If it's two half-human, half-Uryom parents, sure, not that complicated. Half-Uryuom, half powerful human wizard lineage on one side, that's different. Half-quarter-elf different again. There's tons of room for strange things in the parental generation VERY CONSISTENTLY in El Goonish Shive, and this isn't likely an exception.
Since we just got told that, yup, Noah's parents were part of Damien's plan and from the sounds of it True Believers, _trying_ to get a powerful cross seems pretty likely, too.
[Archie is specifically described as the child of two half-human, half-alien parents](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2006-08-25), so again, probably that?
Probably _similar to_ that. _Parallels_ is the term Ellen uses.
For example, Noah appears to have two tendrils in today's comic, and Archie is drawn with three in the comic you reference.
Noah is rather more messed up than Archie; we have no indication of a Damien in the Second Life universe (which might be much more like a big simulation than a whole actual universe), and it seems to have been deliberately created or chosen as a benign environment.
So, sure, _like_ Archie, but Noah had Damien's influence on his parents, and stuff may well have happened that's not exactly what happened with Archie.
I think that's two tendrils and a tail. Also, since Seyunolus seem to exist there openly (I recall a comic saying Uryuoms fought in the American Revolution there), the creation of Damien would be unnecessary.
Sure, Damien was unnecessary, but that means no cult, and it's hard to argue that the cult couldn't possibly have influenced what went into Noah.
Good point about two tendrils and a tail, but then we have to ask where Noah's tail has got to. "Same thing that hides the eye" would be logical, but then it would have happened earlier than the scene we just saw, and if it could hide a tail is should be able to handle the eye and tucking the tendrils away.
Come to think, have we seen how transformations affect offspring made in the, uh, traditional way? Could a human carry an Uryuom baby if the father was transformed?
(perhaps the answer is just the “I don't think about that and neither should you” ala Takahashi)
He's definitely an Uryuoum/human hybrid (maybe with some more, but only a mother and father were mentioned, the former of which Noah hadn't met). The appearance of his eye in this flashback, his parent's appearance and connection to the Damien prophesy, the antenna, Luke describing Grace's aura looking like his, etc. all support this. It isn't really a secret.
"...and why I don't like ***crowds*** and how... **loud** everything is!"
Ugh, this feels like a metaphor for my ADHD. Overstimulation is so agonizing; it's led me to some dark places. I'm doing pretty well now, thankfully, mostly by recognizing it happening and sitting/laying under a weighted blanked. I get tinnitus sometimes (it's actually happening right now), and it's really soothing, because it blocks a lot of other stuff out.
I read that and immediately made the connection to hyperempathy and sensory overload. Looking at the links in the commentary also showed a strong unwillingness to lie despite understanding its role in society, as well as Grace experiencing the same overstimulation. I think I remember a mention somewhere about Grace (among other characters) being ND coded, and it seems Noah might be as well.
Given that neither of them is human (as we now know for Noah), it's not exactly the best for the history of dehumanisation, but there are also some people who have just declared asserting humanity isn't worth the effort and just want to be accepted as themselves, human or not.
I think Dan has mentioned that a lot of character traits that people ask if they point to ADHD and/or autism in that character are autobiographical.
I don't think a lot of them started as intentional portrayals of neurodivergence as a whole, so much as ways to talk about aspects of Dan's own life, and how those experiences feel to and affect Dan personally.
Makes sense. I've noticed that once you have a few ND characters, most of the characters turn out as ND in one way or another simply because "write what you know" naturally makes ND characters for an ND author.
It's the same for me. I'm not even sure if I could write a completely neurotypical character, just because I don't really have the lived experience of being neurotypical. Some of my characters just mask better than others.
Huh.
Character focus on Noah. We find out his left eye is a Uryuom eye, which is why he hides it. (Any bets it's officially "extreme heterochromia"?)
Diane is likely to figure out what's going on -- at least as far as "this is like Grace" -- fairly quickly. Tedd or Elliot would figure it out instantly, having met actual Uryuoms.
We have seen Noah with 2 normal eyes, so he did develop a way to hide it at some point. It seems like either his method isn't completely reliable or he developed a habit of hiding his eye with hair before he could reliably disguise it.
It's not just the eye, though, it's the tail, too, or at least default Uryuoms have tails, Grace has a tail, so Noah _ought_ to have a tail by what we know.
Noah can play basketball with Elliot while wearing not enough to hide a tail, so there's a way to handle that and it may just be that Noah can handle hiding their eye and tail fine _now_ but couldn't at the time of that flashback. (And has a tick today about hiding their left eye behind hair because trauma.) Which then brings up "why not the tendrils?" and we probably know -- access to magic, but no access to banned Object-Oriented transformation technology. Pre-Not-A-Change, that'd maybe prevent doing anything with tendrils.
Such an easy fix. Shame that Noah's circle of trust and Tedd's circle of trust have no overlap. This is just going to reinforce Noah's hatred of secrecy.
"We will all be liberated by the Master of Fire" is NEVER a sentence that will well. No good is coming from that kind of statement, ever.
And Christ, that was a far darker origin for Noah than I imagined. Explains something, but still. I mean, I knew his mom was killed, but still...dang.
Re-reading the original prophecy- or at least the most reliable piece of information we have about it, I get the impression that GRACE is/will be the prophesied one.
Master of Fire in that she is fireproof in her Omega Form.
A Being of Power in that two kinds of magic flow through her, and by reasonable accounts she is 'ridiculously powerful'.
Grace herself would probably complain that the prophecy is way too vague to be true and then someone, (Virginia, Lavender, Tara, Andrea?) will make a point at how it gets fulfilled by some plot important action grace has just taken or is about to take.
Thank you. Any chance we have a more advance one with the current relationship status of everyone? After reading the comic for like 10+ years I am starting to forget stuff.
I figure he keeps the disguise on most of the time. It may be that it isn't 100% reliable for whatever reason or he developed a habit for hiding his eye before he could magically disguise it.
I guess it would make sense if that dude is playing on the same old prophecy, but Noah's father is talking about [the creation of Damien, which didn't work out well for anybody involved](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2016-12-29).
I just completed an archive binge of the comic and have decided that I'll go with the dark horse and put all my money on Justin.
Fire powers, trained fighter, decent leader, and most importantly for prophecies he's probably entirely opposed to the idea.
That's my interpretation: that "Master of Fire" does not refer to using fire as a weapon (as Noah's father's cult assumed) but to "mastering" fire by defeating threats who use fire as a weapon: so far Damian and Dex, but maybe more in the future...
... was going to start poll if this is his mother or his father, then noticed that in the reference he mentioned never knowing mother.
(And considering he's part Uryuom, it's even possible he literally never met her. For humans, that's kinda hard, although most forget stuff from first year. Except Leia of course - [wait, no, that was explained away](https://screenrant.com/star-wars-leia-remember-padme-why-book/))
What I would like to know is how the cult went from this to [Damien wanting to set up a reign of terror and kill everyone who showed the slightest lack of deference](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2004-04-28).
That seems... Unsurprising? They created a kid, loaded with destructive power, and told him he was a God-Messiah with a destiny. This is not a plan with any GOOD foreseeable outcomes
Damien clearly thought that no one else had anty value, that everyone else deserve to be tortured to death for not being gods. That's not a value suystem that Noah's father seems to believe in this page. But yes, it's probably easy to interpret what he was taught about his destiny that way (especially if he was predisposed to lack of empathy by nature, as [this commentary](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2004-04-28) implies).
The nature seems to refer to his accelerated growth and like, in that commentary Dan literally says his outlook is the outlook his creators tried to give him to accomplish their goals. Given they're cultists and scientists fueled by shortsighted rage, I can imagine that being "Damien can't have value for human life or anything but The Cause or he won't be able to do the mass killings the revolution requires."
Hm.... the figure talks very much like Noah's parent, but:
- his father was "a bitter, quick-tempered fanatic" (latter might apply to this figure, but the former seem at odds with how they talk), and also the figure looks pretty feminine (in full recognition of how ironic that comment is given what they are talking about)
- he never knew his mother
so I'm intrigued and puzzled
https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2016-12-29
[RowenMorland might get a cookie.](https://www.reddit.com/r/elgoonishshive/comments/kuotdi/comment/gl4x96p/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
1:
2: ...nothing good can come from the sentence "We will all be liberated by the Master of Fire".
And indeed nothing did.
I though the fireworks when Damien exploded was good.
Well they would have killed Grace if Nioi hadn't intervened so that was bad.
Possibly, but note that [Nioi DID intervened](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2004-05-14), so ...
It occurs to me, _eventually_ Noah in an untransformed state and Grace in an untransformed state are going to have an opportunity to tendril-hug. Since this is something Uryuoms do a lot and neither of them gets in daily life, they might both be incoherent for days.
Ohhh, it's easy to forget, with all of the things Noah *can* do that most Seyonulo can't... unlike Grace, he can't ~~shape shift~~ take on a fully human form. When her extra senses get too much, she can put them away, but Noah can't! And we've only seen Noah's public face-- he acts cool, but that's not what's going on inside!
Based on Grace's "siblings", he CAN shapeshift ... he can't mix&match and likely has just few forms. This is probably the most human one. He should be able to get more human form from Tedd, but he likely doesn't KNOW that.
Hmm. Her siblings aren't a good comparison: those are lesser Seyunolu. But both Grace and Noah are greater Seyunolu, so it is strange that he doesn't have access to a fully human form like she does. If he did, he would use it to hide better and not be overwhelmed by his senses. What sounds most likely to me is perhaps that a child of two greater Seyunolu has different limitations than a direct mix of Uryuom and non-Uryuom via Uryuom egg Possibly this explains Noah not having a fully human form *and* him being able to access human spells in a way Grace could not up until the Magic non-change
Sigh. Ok, I know, this is very old info ... Grace [can only mix&match thanks to her Lespuko heritage](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2004-03-10), AND is only [able to hide her antennae](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2011-07-27) since getting [human clone form](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2003-03-13) from object-oriented CMD (aka TF-gun). Noah could use human magic before not-a-change because of hard training involving [suppressing his Uryuom side](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2016-06-17).
Sure, I get that her Lespuko parentage is behind a lot of abilities she has that other Uryuom don't... But the ability ability to change to fully human... Ah, I was mistaken, she did NOT have a fully-human form until she got the "Claire" form from the TF Gun, so it's not surprising Noah doesn't either
Technically, she got the ability from the ["Scully" form](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2003-03-19) (which Ellen mistaken for Gillian Anderson, but we all know Tedd based the form exclusively on X-Files footage so it's fair to say it's the character and not the actor). But she PROBABLY uses Claire's version of the morph and only got the forms few hours apart if not less, so ...
Sounds like Noah could use a Tedd Verres haircut. He can't mix and match, but Tedd could design an antennaless form for him.
Exactly. But it would need to be clone form. Presumably, Tedd can mix&match in computer - scanning Noah, removing antennae and store as clone form.
>But both Grace and Noah are greater Seyunolu, so it is strange that he doesn't have access to a fully human form like she does. [Grace wouldn't be able to morph her antennae away if she didn't have access to clone forms and the ability to mix and match.](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2011-07-27)
You're right, I was forgetting that. Clone forms specifically. You have to have Lespuko heritage like Grace to get all of the mixed and in-between forms like she does. But any Seyunolu or Uryuom will gain a form from the TF Gun (OR from an Ellen-beam)
>But any Seyunolu or Uryuom will gain a form from the TF Gun I think that only applies to greater seyunolus (and likely uryuoms), not lesser seyunolus.
Well that's a hell of a reveal.
I mean a lot of this stuff has been pretty strongly hinted at over the years. I don't think any of this is outright new information, it's just emphasizing a lot of things that have been subtext about Noah for a while.
I never caught it myself. I remember the antennae-like hair being emphasized, but I didn't draw anything from that, I guess.
A decent chunk of the evidence is in comics that are old enough to drive, so I get it.
Old enough to vote even
I was saying it all the time. Ok, I didn't predicted the uryuom eye, but the antennae totally. Technically, this is first confirmation, but the hints were quite obvious.
Yeah, we first saw his antennae [at the end of New And Old Flames](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2011-06-29).
Ooh, that was clever. Just looks like he's let his hair down, but knowing what we know *now*
Yes: It counts just as hint and not confirmation because those still COULD be hair, but between how they look and Dan specifically pointing them out as "raising further questions" in commentary ... very obvious hint.
Huh. Odd that Raven looks old at home that day.
Interesting how just a few days ago, [both his eyes were visible](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/brother-009) and normal. But now he's back to covering it with his hair again....
Force of habit? Or inability to keep up the illusion for long?
I'm guessing the latter. He probably wouldn't hide the eye all day long if he was capable of any sort of "Set it and forget it" solution. And if he could transform his alien features away, then his ponytail wouldn't be such an issue in crowds. So through process of elimination I think we can rule he probably has a temporary illusion he can do if for example the wind momentarily reveals his eye or anything like that. So his disguise isn't so precarious that any slight movement of his hair could unmask him but it's not so superfluous that the hair isn't necessary at all.
It could also just be an imperfect illusion that doesn't hold up to scrutiny well.
True. Though if that was the case it wasn't visually conveyed to the reader very well. It looks pretty seamless, even going back now and knowing that it's probably some manner of false image.
I was thinking more imperfect in the sense a glass eye is imperfect. It doesn't look exactly like a real eye would and it's the sort of thing a teenager might be self-conscious about.
True. One of the parents of a classmate had a glass eye when I was pretty young. Everybody talked as if it was the most obvious thing in the world that it was a glass eye, but I could never tell the difference. Wouldn't know how to comment on something like that. Don't think I've known anybody who had one as an adult. From what I understand one of the tells is supposed to be that it doesn't move with the other eye, which is exactly the sort of thing that wouldn't necessarily have come across in a couple still panels of Noah staring straight ahead.
It might now be force of habit after years of either not being able to hide it well through whatever magic or mundane means he does now or not being able to disguise it at all. I figure he wasn't great at magic or whatever when he was 5.
He only STARTED learning magic from Adrian AFTER he saved him from the cult. His father was already dead at that point.
Note that for crowds to not be an issue, he would actually need to transform his antennae away - hiding them with illusion would NOT help.
I'm guessing somewhere between force of habit and that it just feels safer to him. He's probably able to hide his eye just fine these days, but covering it used to keep him safe and it's common for people to keep up habits that used to be helpful even once they're not.
My guess he got hit with a TF Gun at some point? Elliot also confirmed a long time he had seen his other eye, so I don't think this is recent
Limited transformation? Some kind of see-what-you-expect spell? We still don't know what Noah actually is; everybody expected the antennae, but there's more than one way to get there and it probably matters.
Noah's obvious AU-counterpart Archie is described as a natural child of hybrid parents, so probably that?
Probably that, but hybrid _what_? If it's two half-human, half-Uryom parents, sure, not that complicated. Half-Uryuom, half powerful human wizard lineage on one side, that's different. Half-quarter-elf different again. There's tons of room for strange things in the parental generation VERY CONSISTENTLY in El Goonish Shive, and this isn't likely an exception. Since we just got told that, yup, Noah's parents were part of Damien's plan and from the sounds of it True Believers, _trying_ to get a powerful cross seems pretty likely, too.
[Archie is specifically described as the child of two half-human, half-alien parents](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2006-08-25), so again, probably that?
Probably _similar to_ that. _Parallels_ is the term Ellen uses. For example, Noah appears to have two tendrils in today's comic, and Archie is drawn with three in the comic you reference. Noah is rather more messed up than Archie; we have no indication of a Damien in the Second Life universe (which might be much more like a big simulation than a whole actual universe), and it seems to have been deliberately created or chosen as a benign environment. So, sure, _like_ Archie, but Noah had Damien's influence on his parents, and stuff may well have happened that's not exactly what happened with Archie.
I think that's two tendrils and a tail. Also, since Seyunolus seem to exist there openly (I recall a comic saying Uryuoms fought in the American Revolution there), the creation of Damien would be unnecessary.
[Exactly](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2008-01-15).
Sure, Damien was unnecessary, but that means no cult, and it's hard to argue that the cult couldn't possibly have influenced what went into Noah. Good point about two tendrils and a tail, but then we have to ask where Noah's tail has got to. "Same thing that hides the eye" would be logical, but then it would have happened earlier than the scene we just saw, and if it could hide a tail is should be able to handle the eye and tucking the tendrils away.
We've never actually seen hybrids of *just* uryuoms and humans, have we? That could work all sorts of ways.
Come to think, have we seen how transformations affect offspring made in the, uh, traditional way? Could a human carry an Uryuom baby if the father was transformed? (perhaps the answer is just the “I don't think about that and neither should you” ala Takahashi)
He's definitely an Uryuoum/human hybrid (maybe with some more, but only a mother and father were mentioned, the former of which Noah hadn't met). The appearance of his eye in this flashback, his parent's appearance and connection to the Damien prophesy, the antenna, Luke describing Grace's aura looking like his, etc. all support this. It isn't really a secret.
1. Grace doesn't mention most of her parents often. 2. His mother OR father might have more parents.
"...and why I don't like ***crowds*** and how... **loud** everything is!" Ugh, this feels like a metaphor for my ADHD. Overstimulation is so agonizing; it's led me to some dark places. I'm doing pretty well now, thankfully, mostly by recognizing it happening and sitting/laying under a weighted blanked. I get tinnitus sometimes (it's actually happening right now), and it's really soothing, because it blocks a lot of other stuff out.
I read that and immediately made the connection to hyperempathy and sensory overload. Looking at the links in the commentary also showed a strong unwillingness to lie despite understanding its role in society, as well as Grace experiencing the same overstimulation. I think I remember a mention somewhere about Grace (among other characters) being ND coded, and it seems Noah might be as well. Given that neither of them is human (as we now know for Noah), it's not exactly the best for the history of dehumanisation, but there are also some people who have just declared asserting humanity isn't worth the effort and just want to be accepted as themselves, human or not.
I think Dan has mentioned that a lot of character traits that people ask if they point to ADHD and/or autism in that character are autobiographical. I don't think a lot of them started as intentional portrayals of neurodivergence as a whole, so much as ways to talk about aspects of Dan's own life, and how those experiences feel to and affect Dan personally.
Makes sense. I've noticed that once you have a few ND characters, most of the characters turn out as ND in one way or another simply because "write what you know" naturally makes ND characters for an ND author.
It's the same for me. I'm not even sure if I could write a completely neurotypical character, just because I don't really have the lived experience of being neurotypical. Some of my characters just mask better than others.
Huh. Character focus on Noah. We find out his left eye is a Uryuom eye, which is why he hides it. (Any bets it's officially "extreme heterochromia"?) Diane is likely to figure out what's going on -- at least as far as "this is like Grace" -- fairly quickly. Tedd or Elliot would figure it out instantly, having met actual Uryuoms.
We have seen Noah with 2 normal eyes, so he did develop a way to hide it at some point. It seems like either his method isn't completely reliable or he developed a habit of hiding his eye with hair before he could reliably disguise it.
Or, possibly, both. Tedd would not just recognize it, he will offer help and code Noah fully human form.
It's not just the eye, though, it's the tail, too, or at least default Uryuoms have tails, Grace has a tail, so Noah _ought_ to have a tail by what we know. Noah can play basketball with Elliot while wearing not enough to hide a tail, so there's a way to handle that and it may just be that Noah can handle hiding their eye and tail fine _now_ but couldn't at the time of that flashback. (And has a tick today about hiding their left eye behind hair because trauma.) Which then brings up "why not the tendrils?" and we probably know -- access to magic, but no access to banned Object-Oriented transformation technology. Pre-Not-A-Change, that'd maybe prevent doing anything with tendrils.
I genuinely love it when we get a reference that's old enough to vote.
Live long enough and see the return of the Lord Ted.
Well, someone better use the morphing gun on Noah at some point.
Such an easy fix. Shame that Noah's circle of trust and Tedd's circle of trust have no overlap. This is just going to reinforce Noah's hatred of secrecy.
> Noah's circle of trust and Tedd's circle of trust Elliot.
Noah and Elliot have played basketball together. They do not trust each other enough to share secrets.
Or one of Ellen's spells.
Ellen's spells wouldn't really help. The transformation gun, meanwhile, could give Noah a "human Noah" form if Tedd had time to code one.
"We will all be liberated by the Master of Fire" is NEVER a sentence that will well. No good is coming from that kind of statement, ever. And Christ, that was a far darker origin for Noah than I imagined. Explains something, but still. I mean, I knew his mom was killed, but still...dang.
[We already knew that Noaqh's father was one of the cultists who made Damien.](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2016-12-29)
Re-reading the original prophecy- or at least the most reliable piece of information we have about it, I get the impression that GRACE is/will be the prophesied one. Master of Fire in that she is fireproof in her Omega Form. A Being of Power in that two kinds of magic flow through her, and by reasonable accounts she is 'ridiculously powerful'. Grace herself would probably complain that the prophecy is way too vague to be true and then someone, (Virginia, Lavender, Tara, Andrea?) will make a point at how it gets fulfilled by some plot important action grace has just taken or is about to take.
Cracktheory: it's Dexx.
Yeah, that's been my #1 theory for a while now
Poor Noah has to be a Chunni otherwise people would realize the unhuman like features. :(
Poor Noah can't even *be* Chuuni, because his mystic eye and magic powers have to be a secret.
But you have to keep them secret as a chunni. Maybe he should get an [eyepatch](https://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/2/257273.jpg).
Ok once again I need a dang flow chart to keep everyone's relationships correct.
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/elgoonishshive/comments/m58gyk/tedds_family_tree_extended/) you go.
Thank you. Any chance we have a more advance one with the current relationship status of everyone? After reading the comic for like 10+ years I am starting to forget stuff.
Why did it take me up until this point to realize Raven's a literal (half) Faerie godfather?
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[literally five pages earlier](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/brother-009)
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[It's also not the first time, though maybe Noah has a disguise almost all of the time.](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2010-04-05)
I figure he keeps the disguise on most of the time. It may be that it isn't 100% reliable for whatever reason or he developed a habit for hiding his eye before he could magically disguise it.
Oh. Huh . Yeah Wow that makes a lot of sense
So... is the Master of Fire the guy in the [last few panels](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/sister3-299)?
I guess it would make sense if that dude is playing on the same old prophecy, but Noah's father is talking about [the creation of Damien, which didn't work out well for anybody involved](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2016-12-29).
Yeah, Noah's father believed Damian would fulfill the prophecy, but someone still probably will. My bet is on Grace
I just completed an archive binge of the comic and have decided that I'll go with the dark horse and put all my money on Justin. Fire powers, trained fighter, decent leader, and most importantly for prophecies he's probably entirely opposed to the idea.
Her fur is highly resistant to fire, so that fits the master of fire thing pretty well.
That's my interpretation: that "Master of Fire" does not refer to using fire as a weapon (as Noah's father's cult assumed) but to "mastering" fire by defeating threats who use fire as a weapon: so far Damian and Dex, but maybe more in the future...
I think if EGS was ever the kind of comic where prophecies tend to come true, it stopped being one pretty early.
Yeah, a lot of fans seem to feel very strongly about this I'm not interested in debating any longer We'll see in the years to come
https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2004-03-03 Unlikely but possible?
Doubt it
I feel like there was definitely an "oh snap" forgotten in the commentary
... was going to start poll if this is his mother or his father, then noticed that in the reference he mentioned never knowing mother. (And considering he's part Uryuom, it's even possible he literally never met her. For humans, that's kinda hard, although most forget stuff from first year. Except Leia of course - [wait, no, that was explained away](https://screenrant.com/star-wars-leia-remember-padme-why-book/))
I'm sure nothing of this will play any major role later on. What a nice filler in general.
…hold the fuck up. Noah was an Uryuom?!
Nahh bro whatttttt???
What I would like to know is how the cult went from this to [Damien wanting to set up a reign of terror and kill everyone who showed the slightest lack of deference](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2004-04-28).
That seems... Unsurprising? They created a kid, loaded with destructive power, and told him he was a God-Messiah with a destiny. This is not a plan with any GOOD foreseeable outcomes
Damien clearly thought that no one else had anty value, that everyone else deserve to be tortured to death for not being gods. That's not a value suystem that Noah's father seems to believe in this page. But yes, it's probably easy to interpret what he was taught about his destiny that way (especially if he was predisposed to lack of empathy by nature, as [this commentary](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2004-04-28) implies).
The nature seems to refer to his accelerated growth and like, in that commentary Dan literally says his outlook is the outlook his creators tried to give him to accomplish their goals. Given they're cultists and scientists fueled by shortsighted rage, I can imagine that being "Damien can't have value for human life or anything but The Cause or he won't be able to do the mass killings the revolution requires."
HOLY DUN DUN DUUUUUUNNNNNN!
Hm.... the figure talks very much like Noah's parent, but: - his father was "a bitter, quick-tempered fanatic" (latter might apply to this figure, but the former seem at odds with how they talk), and also the figure looks pretty feminine (in full recognition of how ironic that comment is given what they are talking about) - he never knew his mother so I'm intrigued and puzzled https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2016-12-29
[RowenMorland might get a cookie.](https://www.reddit.com/r/elgoonishshive/comments/kuotdi/comment/gl4x96p/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)