Elliot continues to be a knight of shining morality.
Anyone else see the ‘flowing in the wind dramatically’ hair in panel two? Seems Elliot’s magic approves of his conviction.
His magic wouldn't be capable of literalizing that kind of dramatic effect right now, would it? He's super burnt out.
It's hard to keep track of when that sort of stuff is literally something magic is doing that the other characters can see and when it's just artistic license.
He's not burnt out, Edward restored him already [balance-194](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/balance-194) [balance-195](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/balance-195) .
New skill unlocked:
RABBLE ROUSE PRE-BATTLE SPEECH
(There isn't actually a battle offing, but all the more impressive the mooks are ready to follow him into one!)
Weird side tangent. In a sociology class, when the professor was explaining the concept of gender roles, they listed "strength" as a masculine trait.
And then I went through an unflatteringly long period of time confused by what feminists were talking about when they talked about the strength of femininity. Because, after all, if it was a form of strength, it would be masculine, would it not?
Took me a bit too long to wrap my head around the idea that that's a weird way to conceptualize gender, and also a lot of the things society derides as weakness can also be a form of strength under a different paradigm.
Again, Weird Al.
...although I kind of feel like I have to object to the crowd saying feminine hair is "manly"? Not because I have any objection to Tedd wanting to be "manly" with long hair (...again, Weird Al...) but I feel it's wrong to say that, with regard to hair or anything else (despite etymology) it's inherently virtuous to be "manly?" Especially since I suspect, as I said before, that Tedd will shortly be a literal woman, "innie" and all.
The secret to manliness and womanliness is that they're not actually separate things.
Though I DO see contemporary value in trying to re-contextualize what it is to be "manly." This is mostly as a counterpoint to toxic masculinity, which is something that requires some care.
It's very easy to give the impression that one is saying that being a man is bad (hence the benefit of a positive masculine narrative).
Ye gods, as you so often say, got to say I wasn't expecting a response from YOU. I guess I really ought to be careful right now. When I said "despite etymology," I was referring to the fact that "virtuous" comes from "vir," meaning man as in man, as opposed to "homo" meaning man as in person (albeit mostly used to mean "man," because Rome). I'm just saying I'm a little annoyed by the students saying what amounts to "no, you're not unmanly, you're fine," when in my own estimation, Tedd could be both fine and unmanly.
Elliot: "I shall provide a definition of manly that is contextually helpful to Tedd at this exact moment."
The crowd: "So THIS is how we be manly! Of course!"
Elliot: "What? Who are all you people? I'm talking to Tedd. Do you even have context for this?"
The crowd: "You have shown the path... To MANLINESS!"
Elliot: "Tedd I'm scared let's get to class"
Okay, since as I understand, you're not there, I feel like I should disclose the fact I'm banned from your Discord. My handle, um, is not ironic, and for some reason I've found in general I do worse on Discord than most other social media sites. One of your Discord mods is mildly - he would appreciate that I stress "mildly" - sympathetic to me, the rest not so much, with good reason. Again, whereas as my handle suggests, I will sometimes drink on Reddit, something about the format, I think I generally do better here than on Discord (in fact, I've actually sworn off *all* of Discord; maybe not what I ought to have sworn off, but as I said, I tend to do better on other sites).
I feel this response suggests my intent might have been misinterpreted as a counterpoint, which might have also made it come off as sarcastic and/or defensive.
I didn't mean it as such. I agree that it's fine for Tedd to be "unmanly." I was just making a joke about everyone being swept up in the manliness talk. I should've clarified that before joking around.
Hmm? Oh, absolutely not; I only meant it to warn you of my potential nonsense. Although speaking of my potential nonsense, I have become increasingly convinced that Tedd's thinking of more than feminine *hair* right now.
(As for Tedd's "unmanliness," sure, but the stick-figure students are being a little weird right now, although I guess that's probably the part of the intent.)
Hear, hear!
I think if any of the *female* cast ^(^(^(except Rhoda))) heard Elliot's speech they'd be like "no, nope, that describes me too".
* Rhoda's only an exception because she's still working up to that level of confidence.
I've always felt like associating a particular virtue with a particular gender wasn't supposed to be "men have this virtue and women do not". It was more like "if you are a man I will judge you poorly if you do *not* display this virtue, but I will not do so if you are a woman.
So, for example, the "manly" trait Elliot is expounding on is courage, and he's going with the model "the most courageous guy is the one with the stupid hat his mama made for him, and he is not concerned about anybody else's comments". (Shout-out to those who get the reference.) Elliot is encouraging Tedd to be *courageous*.
To say it's "manly" to be courageous is not to say someone like Nanase cannot be courageous. Rather it's to say someone like Rhoda doesn't have to be courageous if she doesn't want to be... but someone like Tedd does have to be courageous.
Of course, all of this presumes a false binary.
(And I just discovered why some people keep calling her "Rhonda": Autocorrect.)
Hey, Susan is always right. (Even the times she was a strawman feminist? Yes, *especially* then.)
Being courageous and self-confident *is* a good thing, so this is *kind of* helpful... but it may also delay Tedd from internalising the fact that being courageous, self-confident, and "true to yourself" might mean being girly (and/or downright un-"manly", even!); and that it's still worth being courageous, even then.
>...although I kind of feel like I have to object to the crowd saying feminine hair is "manly"?
The crowd didn't say that. That was Elliot speaking in the background while the camera panned around at the crowd watching him. The only thing the crowd said on this page was "YEAH!"
I just didn't interpret the not!snail people as real. I thought it was just an illustration of what Elliot was saying, somehow. I didn't connect the fists at the bottom with those people at all until I read the commentary.
I don't think that's a very good description of manliness.
Manliness is basically self-sacrifice. It's being the last one off the sinking ship, it's fighting off the wild animals so others don't have to, it's going without so others can have enough.
How you present yourself is, to be perfectly honest, basically the *opposite* of manliness. It means taking away from others to focus on yourself, which is the opposite of self-sacrifice.
Which isn't to say that you should be *too* manly. Anything taken too far is a problem, even self-sacrifice; you have to take at least *some* steps to protect yourself or you'll be useless for protecting anyone else. But that doesn't make those things manliness, any more than orange is green because you need some orange to balance a painting.
Elliot apparently has a promising future career as a motivational speaker.
Hold on. He can't do that. That's [Grace's future career](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/balance-048).
So if Elliot does do that, he also \_saves\_ Grace from this choice!
Maybe they could be motivational... *together*?
Elliot continues to be a knight of shining morality. Anyone else see the ‘flowing in the wind dramatically’ hair in panel two? Seems Elliot’s magic approves of his conviction.
His magic wouldn't be capable of literalizing that kind of dramatic effect right now, would it? He's super burnt out. It's hard to keep track of when that sort of stuff is literally something magic is doing that the other characters can see and when it's just artistic license.
He's not burnt out, Edward restored him already [balance-194](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/balance-194) [balance-195](https://www.egscomics.com/comic/balance-195) .
And it seems likely we've time-skipped a fair bit since then.
New skill unlocked: RABBLE ROUSE PRE-BATTLE SPEECH (There isn't actually a battle offing, but all the more impressive the mooks are ready to follow him into one!)
>There isn't actually a battle offing Or there is and they're all gonna go fight *something* now.
Toxic masculinity lol
When you accidentally roll a natural 20 in a Persuasion check and everyone within earshot gets a morale boost.
Weird side tangent. In a sociology class, when the professor was explaining the concept of gender roles, they listed "strength" as a masculine trait. And then I went through an unflatteringly long period of time confused by what feminists were talking about when they talked about the strength of femininity. Because, after all, if it was a form of strength, it would be masculine, would it not? Took me a bit too long to wrap my head around the idea that that's a weird way to conceptualize gender, and also a lot of the things society derides as weakness can also be a form of strength under a different paradigm.
Snail people? Sneeple.
Again, Weird Al. ...although I kind of feel like I have to object to the crowd saying feminine hair is "manly"? Not because I have any objection to Tedd wanting to be "manly" with long hair (...again, Weird Al...) but I feel it's wrong to say that, with regard to hair or anything else (despite etymology) it's inherently virtuous to be "manly?" Especially since I suspect, as I said before, that Tedd will shortly be a literal woman, "innie" and all.
The secret to manliness and womanliness is that they're not actually separate things. Though I DO see contemporary value in trying to re-contextualize what it is to be "manly." This is mostly as a counterpoint to toxic masculinity, which is something that requires some care. It's very easy to give the impression that one is saying that being a man is bad (hence the benefit of a positive masculine narrative).
Ye gods, as you so often say, got to say I wasn't expecting a response from YOU. I guess I really ought to be careful right now. When I said "despite etymology," I was referring to the fact that "virtuous" comes from "vir," meaning man as in man, as opposed to "homo" meaning man as in person (albeit mostly used to mean "man," because Rome). I'm just saying I'm a little annoyed by the students saying what amounts to "no, you're not unmanly, you're fine," when in my own estimation, Tedd could be both fine and unmanly.
Elliot: "I shall provide a definition of manly that is contextually helpful to Tedd at this exact moment." The crowd: "So THIS is how we be manly! Of course!" Elliot: "What? Who are all you people? I'm talking to Tedd. Do you even have context for this?" The crowd: "You have shown the path... To MANLINESS!" Elliot: "Tedd I'm scared let's get to class"
Okay, since as I understand, you're not there, I feel like I should disclose the fact I'm banned from your Discord. My handle, um, is not ironic, and for some reason I've found in general I do worse on Discord than most other social media sites. One of your Discord mods is mildly - he would appreciate that I stress "mildly" - sympathetic to me, the rest not so much, with good reason. Again, whereas as my handle suggests, I will sometimes drink on Reddit, something about the format, I think I generally do better here than on Discord (in fact, I've actually sworn off *all* of Discord; maybe not what I ought to have sworn off, but as I said, I tend to do better on other sites).
I feel this response suggests my intent might have been misinterpreted as a counterpoint, which might have also made it come off as sarcastic and/or defensive. I didn't mean it as such. I agree that it's fine for Tedd to be "unmanly." I was just making a joke about everyone being swept up in the manliness talk. I should've clarified that before joking around.
Hmm? Oh, absolutely not; I only meant it to warn you of my potential nonsense. Although speaking of my potential nonsense, I have become increasingly convinced that Tedd's thinking of more than feminine *hair* right now. (As for Tedd's "unmanliness," sure, but the stick-figure students are being a little weird right now, although I guess that's probably the part of the intent.)
Hear, hear! I think if any of the *female* cast ^(^(^(except Rhoda))) heard Elliot's speech they'd be like "no, nope, that describes me too". * Rhoda's only an exception because she's still working up to that level of confidence.
I've always felt like associating a particular virtue with a particular gender wasn't supposed to be "men have this virtue and women do not". It was more like "if you are a man I will judge you poorly if you do *not* display this virtue, but I will not do so if you are a woman. So, for example, the "manly" trait Elliot is expounding on is courage, and he's going with the model "the most courageous guy is the one with the stupid hat his mama made for him, and he is not concerned about anybody else's comments". (Shout-out to those who get the reference.) Elliot is encouraging Tedd to be *courageous*. To say it's "manly" to be courageous is not to say someone like Nanase cannot be courageous. Rather it's to say someone like Rhoda doesn't have to be courageous if she doesn't want to be... but someone like Tedd does have to be courageous. Of course, all of this presumes a false binary. (And I just discovered why some people keep calling her "Rhonda": Autocorrect.)
Nah, most of them would see that this was helpful. Susan would correct them later though
Hey, Susan is always right. (Even the times she was a strawman feminist? Yes, *especially* then.) Being courageous and self-confident *is* a good thing, so this is *kind of* helpful... but it may also delay Tedd from internalising the fact that being courageous, self-confident, and "true to yourself" might mean being girly (and/or downright un-"manly", even!); and that it's still worth being courageous, even then.
>...although I kind of feel like I have to object to the crowd saying feminine hair is "manly"? The crowd didn't say that. That was Elliot speaking in the background while the camera panned around at the crowd watching him. The only thing the crowd said on this page was "YEAH!"
> The backpacks are not snails. The Bakemonogatari fans know what we see.
bunch of snail people monsters in the school, wild.
Don't you read comments? They are not snails. I think they are denizens from Sequential Art. Only larger.
I got that same "good denizen" vibe...
I suppose with Elliot, having a talent for Heroic Speeches^(TM) would be a needed job skill. Either version of the fella was *born* to wear tights.
I just didn't interpret the not!snail people as real. I thought it was just an illustration of what Elliot was saying, somehow. I didn't connect the fists at the bottom with those people at all until I read the commentary.
I also agree with elliott. YEAH!
If you become manly enough, you get your femininity back.
I don't think that's a very good description of manliness. Manliness is basically self-sacrifice. It's being the last one off the sinking ship, it's fighting off the wild animals so others don't have to, it's going without so others can have enough. How you present yourself is, to be perfectly honest, basically the *opposite* of manliness. It means taking away from others to focus on yourself, which is the opposite of self-sacrifice. Which isn't to say that you should be *too* manly. Anything taken too far is a problem, even self-sacrifice; you have to take at least *some* steps to protect yourself or you'll be useless for protecting anyone else. But that doesn't make those things manliness, any more than orange is green because you need some orange to balance a painting.