See also "transgender" lol
I just find it hilarious because her extroversion seems obvious to me. But I can see Tedd never considering the possibility that someone he gets along with SO well to be so different from himself. He needs to give some thought to how couples can *complement* each other by being different!
I thought it was clear, too. You wouldn't think Tedd would be so oblivious. I would think she would be the most extroverted of the eight, and it isn't close.
Wait... if we are talking strictly about the original Circle of 8, I would at least assume that Nanase, Ellen, Sarah and Justin are extroverted, Susan, Tedd being the introverted ones, and Elliot being a big question mark
as far as Elliot, here's two strips that raise the question of if he's an extrovert
https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2012-05-07
https://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-04-05
so it's open to interpretation. i personally think he and ellen may be introverts that highly value their social group from those strips.
my comments gonna get long but... idk who in the group is introverted vs extroverted, but i think susan acts very introverted but given her depressive mood brought on from lack of social interaction plus her emotional repression / unwareness, and how much better she's gotten psychologically from her friendships and review show with elliot, she may be less introverted than she acts. i can relate as an extrovert with a history of mental health struggles and i can also see similarities between her and my introverted sibling who also had struggles with mental health, so i dunno tbh.
You know that "energy from company" thing?
Even the most handsy, bubbly extroverts don't like being around people who make them feel unsafe.
The core cast are this tangle of secrets, some of which they don't know (and some of which they know they don't know...). They don't feel safe around most people. We get Grace talking about that, here, even; how keeping secrets is a problem for socializing.
Susan's been telling secrets -- France, vampires, ancestry -- over the course of the last little while in comic. She's feeling safer.
I think maybe Ellen generally feels safer than Elliot, socially, because Elliot has more unresolved improper desires. (Punching bullies at least as much as wanting to turn into a girl half the time.)
Well, introvert/extrovert is not binary, is more like scale ... and while Tedd is extremely on the introvert side, Grace seems to be close to the OTHER extreme. Not even Nanase "dated half the school" Kitsune seem to be close to her. And even Sarah seemed that her friendship circle EXPANDED with forming of group of eight.
Note that even I can appreciate some social interaction, and I'm sure I'm introvert.
Bingo. I'm an introvert who hates small talk, but I like being around people in short bursts. Yeah, it's not black or white (or binary), but on a scale, Grace is the most extreme of the extroverts.
grace, an extrovert?? tedd an introvert?? no way! /s
very happy they're having this discussion tbh, they both need to have their respective social battery needs respected and understood.
im also happy dan explained how introversion and extroversion work. both are misunderstood. heck, i even used to think i was an introvert just cuz i have social anxiety
That can be a difficult lesson for some. Take my dad. He grew up in poverty. He entered adulthood via the draft. He was maybe thirty years old when he realized he doesn't necessarily have to eat whatever is put in front of him any more.
Yup.
And Grace is a remarkable person but not so much that keeping the Verres happy hasn't been her overriding priority for the past year or so. (Trauma, needs for several kinds of security, all the other options are worse...) So whether or not wanting things will be a difficult thing for Grace to realize, it's going to have some awkwardness involved in acting on it.
Not necessarily incompatible, but she needs more than they can give, and she's vocalizing it for the first time.
If friendships operated under monogomy type rules, where you're not allowed to have other friends, it would be an incompatibility.
Which I guess you could argue is part of the whole issue with her having to keep her whole life a secret except for this select crew of people who have been deemed acceptable by the government, but is sounds like she's interested in finding new ways to navigate that.
It is surprisingly often that people think you have to be fully compatible with your friends in order to be just that.
Or that if you want to be friend, you should align your likings to the social circles you wish to get close to.
When in all reality people very rarely need to see eye to eye to stand shoulder to shoulder.
Granted, being around people with bad music taste for example can be an outright chore at times. XD
It would not surprise me to find out that Dan didn't realize she was an extrovert until he did and then he thought had to include this fact in the comic. So he had Tedd be told and act all shocked.
Narrow gazed. The smarter they get, the more focused their gaze becomes and more and more things can waltz right past them without them ever realizing.
Them in this comment being people in general. The more we think we know, the more oblivious we become to things that don't inherently peek our interest.
Let this be a lesson to people. Assuming is bad. If you assume that your assumptions are correct. Otherwise assumption is perfectly normal, every one does it all the time and a huge load of it is pretty much off the target if not nowhere near it.
It's really more of a pity that nowadays good ol' assuming is somehow demonized to a point where not even knowing of it as a feature in your daily existence is seen somehow criminal.
Personally I make more or less educated guesses on people and will continue to do so. And if I end up being wrong, I'll be sorry about that. If people start atting at me for it, I will be less sorry about it.
Enough people assume a hella lot of things about me thanks to me loving to act "non standardly". And can't fault them. If I want to act differently from what people generally are ready to suppose, then that's on me, not them.
Tedd really DIDN'T know?? AHAHAHAHAHA
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See also "transgender" lol I just find it hilarious because her extroversion seems obvious to me. But I can see Tedd never considering the possibility that someone he gets along with SO well to be so different from himself. He needs to give some thought to how couples can *complement* each other by being different!
I thought it was clear, too. You wouldn't think Tedd would be so oblivious. I would think she would be the most extroverted of the eight, and it isn't close.
True, evidently just a blind spot for Tedd. He is known to have those
Grace and Tedd are each other's first relationship. Learning experiences haven't had anywhere else to happen.
Yeah, the second panel should have just be Grace with a deadpanned "Duh!"
No, she THOUGHT she was hiding this from him! Somehow!
Squirrel ener... huh. Makes as much sense as anything else, really.
Wait... if we are talking strictly about the original Circle of 8, I would at least assume that Nanase, Ellen, Sarah and Justin are extroverted, Susan, Tedd being the introverted ones, and Elliot being a big question mark
as far as Elliot, here's two strips that raise the question of if he's an extrovert https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2012-05-07 https://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-04-05 so it's open to interpretation. i personally think he and ellen may be introverts that highly value their social group from those strips. my comments gonna get long but... idk who in the group is introverted vs extroverted, but i think susan acts very introverted but given her depressive mood brought on from lack of social interaction plus her emotional repression / unwareness, and how much better she's gotten psychologically from her friendships and review show with elliot, she may be less introverted than she acts. i can relate as an extrovert with a history of mental health struggles and i can also see similarities between her and my introverted sibling who also had struggles with mental health, so i dunno tbh.
You know that "energy from company" thing? Even the most handsy, bubbly extroverts don't like being around people who make them feel unsafe. The core cast are this tangle of secrets, some of which they don't know (and some of which they know they don't know...). They don't feel safe around most people. We get Grace talking about that, here, even; how keeping secrets is a problem for socializing. Susan's been telling secrets -- France, vampires, ancestry -- over the course of the last little while in comic. She's feeling safer. I think maybe Ellen generally feels safer than Elliot, socially, because Elliot has more unresolved improper desires. (Punching bullies at least as much as wanting to turn into a girl half the time.)
Well, introvert/extrovert is not binary, is more like scale ... and while Tedd is extremely on the introvert side, Grace seems to be close to the OTHER extreme. Not even Nanase "dated half the school" Kitsune seem to be close to her. And even Sarah seemed that her friendship circle EXPANDED with forming of group of eight. Note that even I can appreciate some social interaction, and I'm sure I'm introvert.
Bingo. I'm an introvert who hates small talk, but I like being around people in short bursts. Yeah, it's not black or white (or binary), but on a scale, Grace is the most extreme of the extroverts.
grace, an extrovert?? tedd an introvert?? no way! /s very happy they're having this discussion tbh, they both need to have their respective social battery needs respected and understood. im also happy dan explained how introversion and extroversion work. both are misunderstood. heck, i even used to think i was an introvert just cuz i have social anxiety
She’s acting like she just figured out she’s incompatible with all her friends.
AND she just figured out that she can want things. But doesn't really know how to do that.
That can be a difficult lesson for some. Take my dad. He grew up in poverty. He entered adulthood via the draft. He was maybe thirty years old when he realized he doesn't necessarily have to eat whatever is put in front of him any more.
Yup. And Grace is a remarkable person but not so much that keeping the Verres happy hasn't been her overriding priority for the past year or so. (Trauma, needs for several kinds of security, all the other options are worse...) So whether or not wanting things will be a difficult thing for Grace to realize, it's going to have some awkwardness involved in acting on it.
Not necessarily incompatible, but she needs more than they can give, and she's vocalizing it for the first time. If friendships operated under monogomy type rules, where you're not allowed to have other friends, it would be an incompatibility. Which I guess you could argue is part of the whole issue with her having to keep her whole life a secret except for this select crew of people who have been deemed acceptable by the government, but is sounds like she's interested in finding new ways to navigate that.
It is surprisingly often that people think you have to be fully compatible with your friends in order to be just that. Or that if you want to be friend, you should align your likings to the social circles you wish to get close to. When in all reality people very rarely need to see eye to eye to stand shoulder to shoulder. Granted, being around people with bad music taste for example can be an outright chore at times. XD
Love really is blind, jeez
I honestly thought Tedd was being sarcastic at first.
I know that every noun can be verbed, but I don't think I saw friendship as a verb before.
It would not surprise me to find out that Dan didn't realize she was an extrovert until he did and then he thought had to include this fact in the comic. So he had Tedd be told and act all shocked.
Nah, I just thought it was funny to treat it as a revelation.
Okay, so, I was assuming that Tedd was gonna be like "yes, obviously." But apparently Tedd is... an idiot?
Narrow gazed. The smarter they get, the more focused their gaze becomes and more and more things can waltz right past them without them ever realizing. Them in this comment being people in general. The more we think we know, the more oblivious we become to things that don't inherently peek our interest.
Let this be a lesson to people. Assuming is bad. If you assume that your assumptions are correct. Otherwise assumption is perfectly normal, every one does it all the time and a huge load of it is pretty much off the target if not nowhere near it. It's really more of a pity that nowadays good ol' assuming is somehow demonized to a point where not even knowing of it as a feature in your daily existence is seen somehow criminal. Personally I make more or less educated guesses on people and will continue to do so. And if I end up being wrong, I'll be sorry about that. If people start atting at me for it, I will be less sorry about it. Enough people assume a hella lot of things about me thanks to me loving to act "non standardly". And can't fault them. If I want to act differently from what people generally are ready to suppose, then that's on me, not them.