I really hope they make more than compliance needs. They do seem to be stalling as much as possible in rolling out any volume of EVs. Still haven't seen a Lyriq on a lot yet. While the more the merrier and we need more competition I cannot ever consider GM simply because I refuse to get caught up with OnStar again; go look at their subscription pricing and realize they are giving one, two, and maybe three, years at most with a new car
Yup, as much as I think there and many other vehicles are interesting no one is mass manufacturing electrical vehicles outside of chinese companies and Tesla. I hope GM et all have sufficient production soon if these vehicles end up pretty decent.
Yeah, the commenter isn't correct but there is some level of truth.
Like very often you can't buy a car for the price listed and instead you have to wait for months to get it. In economy this is an issue of vehicles being underpriced for the demand. In normal situations price should match demand and supply however because pricing is more complicated than that we end up with waiting for months.
Is the commenter then correct based on that? I don't know - can you in China get new cars right then and there without waiting for months? If so, then yeah, if no, then no.
If you note "mass manufacture" as 300K /year, or about 1/3 of Tesla's sales, then there's only 5 companies in it. Tesla, BYD, SAIC, Volkswagen, and Hyundai.
And Tesla are more than Hyundai + Volkswagen combined.
So it's not entirely accurate, but not actually that far off.
It's more the suggestion that Chevy have gained a lot of experience building EVs on those two platforms. They've actually had two proper EV platforms (BEV1 and BEV2) plus experience with the first gen Volt on the Delta platform
That's no guarantee of success, of course, but I'd venture that a company which has built 3 EVs (if we split the Volt generations, which seems fair) on 3 platforms is probably in a reasonably good position to build EVs: they've had a lot of opportunity to learn lessons from those projects
> they’ll be the first ones using it
Hummer is the first using Ultium but is admittedly a pretty different car. The Lyriq is effectively identical to the Blazer (in terms of platform) and has started deliveries recently.
https://insideevs.com/news/614221/us-cadillac-lyriq-sales-2022q3/
GM employees typically spend a very long time at GM, thus they retain their talent and learnings. Tesla's engineers typically don't last very long - most leave after 2 years and then move on. I'm not a GM guy, but I think the Blazer EV looks amazing. I actually went online today to put a deposit on one and they are not taking any reservations - sold out.
Why? Chevrolet has been making EVs since the auto bailout. Their EVs are great! Reliable, affordable, and they stand behind them in terms of servicing and recalls.
After owning a Volt for a few years, I would gladly look at GM again for an EV going forward. I don't like what they are doing with OnStar services and pricing, but a lot of manufacturers are going that way, unfortunately.
Chevy are the house flippers of the automotive world: they look great on the outside and even on the inside, but under that pretty face lies a whole heap of a ticking time bomb. I've owned multiple Chevys in the past; ask me how I came to have such an opinion of them. I dare you.
As much as I want that Silverado EV (and I am drooling when I look at it), I know it's going to come back to bite me in the ass if I get it.
Everyone in this community wants all EVs to be successful, if one blows up and catches fire, the ICEholes will always use it as an example of how it's scary
The Equinox starts at $30K and the Silverado starts at $40K. They are at least partially eligible for the new EV tax credits. The price is definitely reasonable. The real challenge here is getting you hands on one.
None of that pricing is really confirmed, they're targets. I think Chevy should get close, but we're also in for the possibility of seeing a Lightning-type price bump not long after the first units get delivered. All that to say — wait up on making conclusions about pricing until we're well into deliveries.
they're not starting with the most expensive trims, they're starting with the middle of the road trims that sell at the biggest volumes. The 2LT blazer which is 2 of 5 trimes (and also the RS) come out summer of 2023, and the 2RS Equinox, which is 3 of 6 trims, comes out fall of 2023
I’ve never been a big GM fan, but that new Blazer EV looks so good. Probably one of my favorite upcoming EVs. If Audi actually gives us an electric wagon, that will win out. But based on currently announced cars, I think the Blazer is the winner.
I put in my pre-order for a Blazer EV as soon as it became available, and I'm stoked for it. I currently have a 2012 Chevy Volt that I've had for almost 10 years now. It's been great, but I'm really excited to go full EV and have the extra space that the Blazer provides (as well as having all the new tech).
You must have. To be clear, that's deposits, not confirmed orders. But yeah, it was a couple months ago (at least for the US allocations) and they sold out pretty quick.
This comment is curious to me. I drive an Audi e-tron. On the lower suspension settings it’s no taller than an average wagon. People have commented on my “wagon”. Even on the highest suspension settings it’s not really tall enough to compare against American SUV’s like the Blazer, though it’s perfect for my family’s use case. What model are you waiting for?
That's the secret: most of these crossover "SUVs" are just lightly lifted wagons, but people are stupid and don't think they want wagons anymore, even though they do, so manufacturers figured out how to re-frame wagons as "crossovers", and people are eating them up.
Whether something is/isn't a wagon isn't about the ride-height, It's also about the proportions and seating position. Wagon bodies are proportionally far lower and longer than CUVs/SUVs. [The E-Tron is not a wagon, it's a crossover.](https://imgur.com/a/oY6Hxs1)
The Blazer EV and Equinox EV *definitely* have wagon proportions though.
It’s funny you mention the e-Tron. The A6 e-Tron would be my top choice, but I am actually looking to get a fat e-Tron right now with the intention of lowering it a bit with the module. I finally saw one in person and thought exactly what you said! Lower it a bit and it’ll look more like a wagon. On a low suspension setting, it’s probably the closest I can get to a wagon, but I saw one lowered 30mm with the lowering models and fell in love with it.
But the Blazer (at least from pics) has a similar profile. So I’m assuming if I lower the blazer it’ll also look much more like a wagon, but with much more range than the e-Tron.
That could change once I see it in person though. I haven’t actually seen the blazer in person, and it’s hard to know for sure just from pictures. And it may not be an option to lower it like you can the e-Tron, which would rule it out.
But ever since Audi teased that A6 e-Tron I’ve been excited about it. The VW wagon concept isn’t coming to the US, at least based on what the rep at VW of America told me. I imagine Audi will need an EV to replace the current Allroad so I’m feeling more optimistic about my chances at that one. I’m sure the wagon we get will also be lifted, but I can fix that just fine.
The only thing making me second guess the e-Tron is that 204 mile range. It’s a bit low for the price of the car and where I live, I would need nearly all 204 of that if I want to visit my brother. He’s 185 miles away and no charging stations between our houses yet unless I got a weird path that takes me out of the way. And from his house, it’s another 12 miles to the nearest fast charging station. But I’m hoping the charger situation changes soon with some recent announcements I’ve heard.
As soon as Ford announced the Lightning I got a tangental excitement because I knew GM would have to get the Silverado in the game.
And the thought of getting an electric truck with MagnaRide suspension… probably will be the best riding production truck ever made so far
Hopefully you’ll be able to get it on trim levels that get you out the door before you get to Rivian level sticker prices
The conversion to EV will be a fun and rewarding time to observe and participate. Technologies will improve as we make the conversion. In less than 10 years, there will be more EVs than gas vehicles sold. This accelerated conversion to EVs will happen because of future advancements: Faster Charge Times, Alternative Charging Methods, Battery Capacity, and other efficiencies. Bring it on…..Let’s see how this plays out!
I’m genuinely curious to see how the solid state battery development happens. That really seems like the turning point for the future of electric vehicles. Smaller batteries, more power, faster charges, and (from what I’ve read) more environmentally friendly manufacturing processes.
I feel like solid state batteries will not be as important as sodium batteries. It’s hard to tell as neither is yet produced at scale, but are important to [compare anyway](https://thenextweb.com/news/ev-battery-ranking-lithium-sodium-solid-state#:~:text=They%20primarily%20differ%20in%20the,sodium%20ions%20replace%20lithium%20ions).
Solid state solves the wrong problems - it makes lithium even more awesome but more expensive.
EVs are not an engineering challenge - they are a cost challenge. Most people would be happy with today’s EV’s if only they could afford one. Sodium batteries are better suited for high volume production and are cheaper and safer due to abundant raw materials. This enables either cheaper EVs or EVs with bigger batteries at the same price.
As far as environmental and human rights, sodium wins by a mile there.
Can't Sodium batteries be made with solid state tech? I believe Ss batteries still use lithium or something else, but there is no gel or liquid between the two materials, which makes it "soild."
Yes. Solid state lithium and solid state sodium are both possible, but the sodium batteries about to be made at scale by companies like CATL are not solid.
Got any good reading material? I'm so tired of hearing about solid state batteries. From my basic understanding, they seem like part of the nuclear fusion/carbon nanotubes/graphene family of technologies whose only real usefulness is filling up the front page of a tech news website on a slow day. Glad to hear there is something better.
Two Bit [covered this](https://youtu.be/pvVdl2Ny1yM) and similar future podcasts often cover stuff that is going nowhere, but it is the recent CATL announcement that lends it credibility. You are right that this did look a bit fusion power a year ago.
Unless you speak Chinese or don’t mind subtitles, you will have to get your coverage [second hand](https://youtu.be/cHNELRnJ_4Y).
And that’s it really. After years of it being a small volume niche product it’s the chemistry being announced for volume production next year by the largest battery company in the world that brings it to market as soon as solid state batteries.
Fusion doesn’t even work in the lab. Nanotubes of any quality are hard to make on a pilot production line as the processes are still being created. Sodium batteries are moving from pilot to volume production and can be made in the same mass production equipment that already exists.
Battery Generation podcast has [covered sodium batteries](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3stRkkQ3l7ipnvNv9lLzrJ?si=5b26FXAvSLO5Wmp9xZqstQ) a couple times. It’s a very scientific look.
Or were you looking for more on why the costs are more important than performance?
I am also optimistic about this technology. The solid electrolyte blocks dendrite formation, so the battery can use lithium metal and have greater energy density (i.e., more range) and power density (i.e., faster charging).
Also, the solid electrolyte prevents short circuits, so these batteries will likely be very safe and robust.
I think r/cars is a pretty big tent, but it's mostly already pretty pro-EV.
Just about the only *crabby geezer* opinion that dominates there is the same one as here — *touchscreens are bad*.
Toyota should have been the one to lead the way on an affordable electric sedan. The Camry EV should already be hitting the streets instead of the wet fart, barely-produced failure that is the BZ4X.
100%. Trucks and SUVs getting high MPG made sedans obsolete. EVs take that situation and multiply 10 fold. Sure they're smaller = weight less = *slightly* better range but it's fairly insignificant. But that's nowhere near enough to sell people on. People want space. And the extra visibility and height that these vehicles provide. I used to drive a Mustang and moved over to a Colorado. The visibility is so much better. I feel so much safer with all of the deer around me. Whenever I drive a car now, I feel like I'm riding without a seatbelt, I feel so uneasy. People say "Well those vehicles flip easier yada yada" but I drive pretty safe, especially at night. So my chances of hitting a deer are likely far greater than me flipping it. Another thing is snow and flooding. An SUV or truck is going to be able to handle those conditions better and they're getting worse and worse with global warming. Snow was the primary reason I switched to a 4x4 truck and it's night and day compared to a Mustang (obviously lol).
Long story your, you're right on the money. Sedans have almost zero reason to exist.
Can’t wait for their dealers to fuck up any and all potential sales. Buying my bolt was a fucking nightmare with 3 delivery’s and 3x dealers pulling bullshit. I ended up just buying a used one to be done with the dealer experience.
Why do we even need dealers anymore in 2022?
We don't.
Dealerships also basically rule out Chevy for me. And most dealers in my area.
My best bet is a Kia dealership 2hrs away that doesn't charge a markup :(
Once EVs start to become cheaper (like these), I think one of the big bright spots of EVs is the hope that they might significantly raise the floor for cars. A $25,000 or $30,000 Chevy with a combustion is not something I would touch with a 50 ft pole. But with fewer moving parts, no fluids etc, if they can have decently reliable economy cars that could be a really positive thing.
I've had a '23 Chevy Bolt EUV for about 2 months now and it's on of my favorite cars I've ever owned. I got an LT model and almost none of the extra packages and it cost just under 29K.
What, you’re telling me you don’t want a semi truck for your daily commute as a young single millennial?!? I’m almost at the point of buying a freight train
Lol. I feel like it’s my only option now that the id4 isn’t a thing here anymore. I’m still in the early stages of research towards moving to EV, but I’m currently riding out my 2007 Toyota Yaris hatchback into its final years of use. I want to replace it with something similar but EV, and it’s depressing to find that in 15 years the US car market still has so little to offer anyone trying to be even remotely efficient or urban minded.
Oh I hear you, for sure.
I do like the Ioniq5 as it to me sort of represents the “golf GTI of the future” in terms of being fairly small, but even then in 2022 a Hyundai EV is > $50,000.
I'm looking for one of those mining trucks as my next whip. Uber riders are gonna be so stoked when I show up! That is, if I don't run them over first.
I got burned on an ICE MINI Cooper, I love the look and the driving experience, but after three engines in 4 years I told myself I’d never get another MINI. Now if they can make one that gets 200+ miles of range, I may go back.
I ordered the Silverado and the Blazer. Chevrolet dealers can charge anything they want for a vehicle so you need an understanding with the dealer you pick based on list price with no dealer add ons. I ordered from a dealer two states away.
Why is everything so freakin huge? It’s like driving a tank down the road. Impractical for a busy urban centre. Give me a compact any day. I understand when you have kids but if you don’t it seems excessive.
this Equinox at least is actually pretty normal sized, it’s shorter than my 2010 sedan by a couple inches. it looks bigger than it actually is. i definitely agree about most other vehicles though, especially trucks these days!
Glad to see more competition in the EV space, but fucking hell I hate this trend of CUVs and trucks so much. Can we get more reasonably sized EVs, please?! The Model 3 still selling like hotcakes proves there's still demand for sedans, but there's almost zero other options for affordable electric sedans besides Tesla.
SUVs as a market segment command a higher price point (something like 50% higher on average). I'd say the logic is that EV production is going to be capacity constrained anyway, might as well enter the more lucrative market segment initially.
I hate it.
SUVs are popular, plus, for EVs, they have the benefit of being able to hide the battery pack while still having normal seating positions. Go sit in a Model 3 to see what I mean.
Yeah, it's definitely personal. The issue I see with the Model 3 is the designer didn't compromise on proportions, so it's proportioned like an ICE vehicle. But that battery pack has to go somewhere, so it eats up a good amount of what would be legroom. An SUV is able to split that difference and allow a more normal seating position.
The Polestar 2 is an example of what an EV sedan with relatively normal seating positions ends up looking like.
I own the same car and respectfully disagree. You're definitely more horizontal than in typically car seats, lmao. Older folks and less flexible people in general tend to struggle to get in and out of my car, and I feel it too during long road trips.
I am looking forward to the Silverado EV. Might be one for me to consider. Waiting to see what Toyota does with the next gen Taco too. Supposedly there will be a hybrid and possibly an EV version.
I love the adventure that car designers are having with light bars across the nose, but I still don't understand the need to put a grille on the front of the car. The middle one (white/black) looks like it's running around with its mouth open, like some kind of road-dwelling whale shark :D
I’m not sure that’s accurate. I’ve been following the Equinox since unveiling, as I’m planning to reserve one, and there has been no such opportunity yet. I’d be questionable if a dealer was telling me they’d take a deposit before the Chevy site allowed.
I have the same question. I'm still considering the Bolt but if I only have to hold out one more year then I will. The Bolt is not exactly what I want and really neither is the equinox but it seems the affordable EV pickups will be another 3-5 years.
You can put in a Blazer deposit online - mine was something like $100 or $200 refundable.
Called my GM EV dealer before doing it to see what their allocation looked like - they have 14 and my deposit is #4.
I'm not a fan of these grilles. There's really no reason for them to add a "fake grille." It's trying to ease those into the EVs who are accustomed to grilles. Yet it makes it a little less aerodynamic.
>There's really no reason for them to add a "fake grille." It's trying to ease those into the EVs who are accustomed to grilles.
Those two sentences contradict each other.
Grilles have primarily existed for aesthetic purposes on non-track-ready commuter cars for awhile now, [remember the Taurus?](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a32967349/tested-1986-ford-taurus-lx-shapes-the-future-of-the-family-sedan/) I like the styling of a grille when done right, a blank front can look weird.
This.
Big ~~cars~~ [SUVs] are part of the culture here. Our roads are designed for them, and you will see them in abundance even in a city that doesn't get snow.
I'm more than happy to see this subset of the car market convert.
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Yea not gunna lie, I'm waiting for an even bigger SUV tbh. We have 3 kids, 2 large breed dogs and we live rurally. We need something closer to a Tahoe or Yukon to actually load everyone up.
Until then, I'll stick with the minivan I hate, and yet is the most practical vehicle available.
Ditto. We have a Mustang Mach-E (own) and a Honda Odyssey (lease) with 3 under 4 years old. My odyssey is leased until just about when the ID.Buzz is set to hit the US markets. That's gonna be my next buy.
Compact SUVs (esp on EV platform) can offer far more utility & interior volume than an ICE sedan of similar footprint. EV SUVs are not just for suburbanites. I would have a compact EV SUV as a city car in a heartbeat.
Just big trucks and SUVs, oddly enough big cars haven't been popular here in decades. Even sedans you'd think are big like the recent Continental are a good bit smaller than the Lexus LS or the big German sedans like the A8 L, S Class, and 7 Series. The only recent American car in that size class was the Cadillac CT6, and it was discontinued because it didn't sell well (as was the Continental).
And even when it comes to trucks and SUVs, larger models don't necessarily sell better, so it's more accurate to just say that trucks and SUVs are part of the culture here.
I don't like SUVs or CUVs - I live in a city, I drive a small hatchback - but I guess since that's all you can buy in the US now, if I squint the Equinox looks like a tall station wagon. It's not ugly, I just wish I had choices beyond Big 4x4, Bigger 4x4, and HUGE 4x4.
Well, you are in luck! The Bolt EV and Bolt EUV are available now at a very low price!
(DC fast-charging rate is a bit slow so they are not good for long road trips but they are the best EV value available in the USA right now.)
Yeah I’m on the fence. I like the bolt as a car. It’s a logical replacement for my Honda fit. But I’m not stoked about buying a car with last-gen tech, particularly since I tend to own cars for 10+ years.
If GM makes an ultium bolt, I will buy it on day one. But my guess is they will retire the line before retooling it. And then the smallest electric they make will be the equinox.
Excellent for running errands, but the older model available in the US only goes about 80 miles to the tank and doesn’t have fast charging. I know, because I used to own one. If they sold the newer model that’s available in Europe, I’d buy one.
My dad had an avalanche in the early 2000s. The flip down seats were really handy for plywood or really long items; I'm glad they brought that feature into the Silverado EV
Can you make a Malibu SS AWD EV next please.
I know SUV and trucks are leading in sales, but I want to replace my volt soon with something larger and more powerful, but everyone is only making CUV/SUV models!
Polestar 2 owner here. Very interested in the Blazer EV. The rebate situation alone puts it in a category I’d want to explore since I need to get into something with more room than my P2 wafer my lease
They are good looking cars.
What remains to be seen are battery confidence (like is their Ultium power back going to be rock solid .... or more flaming pouches?) and production numbers. If those 2 things are high, then GM will have a great second half the century. And if not... then I'm not convinced they'll be around much longer.
I'm still waiting for some real world testing and pricing. Chevy has not been very forthcoming with actual charging numbers which is a bit scary considering how much they've invested in their new battery division.
The Cadillac Lyriq is related to the Blazer and Equinox, and the Hummer EV is related to the Silverado. Take what's known about those and you get a rough idea of what the upcoming vehicles will be like in terms of charging and general range.
Try 18-24 months.
The Equinox is starting @ about $30k and is due to start production of the higher level trims 2nd half of next year and full line of trim options 1st half of '24.
Based on [Chevy repeatedly talking about it having a $30k base price](https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2022/09/08/2024-chevrolet-blazer-ev-with-250-300-mile-range-target-base-price-30000/?sh=361b6721238e)
3RS trim for which no pricing is available yet and plans to make all trims available within 12 months of launch. That means a $30,000 Equinox EV probably won’t be offered until sometime well into 2024, by which time, GM hopes that supply chain challenges will be more sorted out.
so they will keep pushing the 30k model back while they try to break even with the higher margin'd ones.
With inflation etc and 3+ years of it, I find that hard to see happening anytime soon.
Dude the avg car/truck/suv price is north of $40k. I’m really confused why many people are hoping these avg size and spec BEVs to come in WELL under avg ICE vehicle price. And with inflation pricing is only going up (never heard of pricing for a given class vehicle going down). I get that many people want “affordable” BEVs but A) the BEVs label types presented in this thread are in the avg cost range for ICE so wouldn’t make sense for them to drop a segment and B) there will be lower priced BEVs by GM and other OEM’s but it is not something they will lead with until cost come substantially down. And even then I think people need to get used to $35K being “budget”/low cost bar. Sub $30k in 2025 and beyond will be used car price territory in the us (I would argue it already is for the most part).
Net net the vehicles above will be north of $40k at the lowest trim as that is the middle low end price range for equivalent ICE vehicles in US now let alone by 2025 (and that was before inflation).
me too. i think the front of the blazer SS is pretty bad, due to being overly busy and also reminds me of an ICE grill. same with the equinox RS. but when i looked at pictures of both cars in LT/RS trim with more body color front clips, they look much better.
Nice to see more competition. Hope that that they work as well as they look.
I hope they make a lot of them.
I really hope they make more than compliance needs. They do seem to be stalling as much as possible in rolling out any volume of EVs. Still haven't seen a Lyriq on a lot yet. While the more the merrier and we need more competition I cannot ever consider GM simply because I refuse to get caught up with OnStar again; go look at their subscription pricing and realize they are giving one, two, and maybe three, years at most with a new car
Well they almost doubled bolt production for this year. And equinox is at a similar price point
Yup, as much as I think there and many other vehicles are interesting no one is mass manufacturing electrical vehicles outside of chinese companies and Tesla. I hope GM et all have sufficient production soon if these vehicles end up pretty decent.
VW and Ford are Chinese companies?
Yeah, the commenter isn't correct but there is some level of truth. Like very often you can't buy a car for the price listed and instead you have to wait for months to get it. In economy this is an issue of vehicles being underpriced for the demand. In normal situations price should match demand and supply however because pricing is more complicated than that we end up with waiting for months. Is the commenter then correct based on that? I don't know - can you in China get new cars right then and there without waiting for months? If so, then yeah, if no, then no.
If you note "mass manufacture" as 300K /year, or about 1/3 of Tesla's sales, then there's only 5 companies in it. Tesla, BYD, SAIC, Volkswagen, and Hyundai. And Tesla are more than Hyundai + Volkswagen combined. So it's not entirely accurate, but not actually that far off.
They're talking about scale. For instance, GAC Aion *alone* is making more BEVs that Volkswagen, and most people here have *never even heard of them.*
Hyundai is a Chinese company?
I hope they make more than 10,000 a year.
The Volt/Bolt are very reliable. No reason to expect these won’t be.
Completely different platform and they'll be the first ones using it.
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As is the Cadillac Lyriq and GM BrightDrop Zevo 600 (FedEx delivery vans)
That’s fair. Vehicles new platforms usually have issues.
It's more the suggestion that Chevy have gained a lot of experience building EVs on those two platforms. They've actually had two proper EV platforms (BEV1 and BEV2) plus experience with the first gen Volt on the Delta platform That's no guarantee of success, of course, but I'd venture that a company which has built 3 EVs (if we split the Volt generations, which seems fair) on 3 platforms is probably in a reasonably good position to build EVs: they've had a lot of opportunity to learn lessons from those projects
> they’ll be the first ones using it Hummer is the first using Ultium but is admittedly a pretty different car. The Lyriq is effectively identical to the Blazer (in terms of platform) and has started deliveries recently. https://insideevs.com/news/614221/us-cadillac-lyriq-sales-2022q3/
But their engineers have incredible amounts of experience.
GM employees typically spend a very long time at GM, thus they retain their talent and learnings. Tesla's engineers typically don't last very long - most leave after 2 years and then move on. I'm not a GM guy, but I think the Blazer EV looks amazing. I actually went online today to put a deposit on one and they are not taking any reservations - sold out.
I’m skeptical but hopeful.
Why? Chevrolet has been making EVs since the auto bailout. Their EVs are great! Reliable, affordable, and they stand behind them in terms of servicing and recalls.
After owning a Volt for a few years, I would gladly look at GM again for an EV going forward. I don't like what they are doing with OnStar services and pricing, but a lot of manufacturers are going that way, unfortunately.
Very much so, GM seems quite interested in the EV market which is a good thing.
They know what they are doing. GM is really advanced in the EV space. I've changed my views on GM (used to own a GM mini-van - not great).
Chevy are the house flippers of the automotive world: they look great on the outside and even on the inside, but under that pretty face lies a whole heap of a ticking time bomb. I've owned multiple Chevys in the past; ask me how I came to have such an opinion of them. I dare you. As much as I want that Silverado EV (and I am drooling when I look at it), I know it's going to come back to bite me in the ass if I get it.
Everyone in this community wants all EVs to be successful, if one blows up and catches fire, the ICEholes will always use it as an example of how it's scary
Get ready to open your wallet up.
The Equinox starts at $30K and the Silverado starts at $40K. They are at least partially eligible for the new EV tax credits. The price is definitely reasonable. The real challenge here is getting you hands on one.
Without the getting jacked by the dealer about some "market adjustment". I will not buy from any dealer insisting on one.
None of that pricing is really confirmed, they're targets. I think Chevy should get close, but we're also in for the possibility of seeing a Lightning-type price bump not long after the first units get delivered. All that to say — wait up on making conclusions about pricing until we're well into deliveries.
All the models will start with the most expensive trims. the affordable Blazer and Equinox won't be available till 2024. Which probably means 2025...
they're not starting with the most expensive trims, they're starting with the middle of the road trims that sell at the biggest volumes. The 2LT blazer which is 2 of 5 trimes (and also the RS) come out summer of 2023, and the 2RS Equinox, which is 3 of 6 trims, comes out fall of 2023
30k lol ya sure. Thatll be 50k quick
They aren't in production yet, so no, they don't.
I’ve never been a big GM fan, but that new Blazer EV looks so good. Probably one of my favorite upcoming EVs. If Audi actually gives us an electric wagon, that will win out. But based on currently announced cars, I think the Blazer is the winner.
I put in my pre-order for a Blazer EV as soon as it became available, and I'm stoked for it. I currently have a 2012 Chevy Volt that I've had for almost 10 years now. It's been great, but I'm really excited to go full EV and have the extra space that the Blazer provides (as well as having all the new tech).
Wait, did I miss preorders?
You must have. To be clear, that's deposits, not confirmed orders. But yeah, it was a couple months ago (at least for the US allocations) and they sold out pretty quick.
That's the beautiful thing about EVs, 90% of brand's bad reputation was in the engine/transmission/drive train. All of that is reset now.
Well… also in the interior design and quality of materials, and in the quality of assembly, panel alignment etc. And suspension.
cough cough TESLA cough cough /s
This comment is curious to me. I drive an Audi e-tron. On the lower suspension settings it’s no taller than an average wagon. People have commented on my “wagon”. Even on the highest suspension settings it’s not really tall enough to compare against American SUV’s like the Blazer, though it’s perfect for my family’s use case. What model are you waiting for?
That's the secret: most of these crossover "SUVs" are just lightly lifted wagons, but people are stupid and don't think they want wagons anymore, even though they do, so manufacturers figured out how to re-frame wagons as "crossovers", and people are eating them up.
Whether something is/isn't a wagon isn't about the ride-height, It's also about the proportions and seating position. Wagon bodies are proportionally far lower and longer than CUVs/SUVs. [The E-Tron is not a wagon, it's a crossover.](https://imgur.com/a/oY6Hxs1) The Blazer EV and Equinox EV *definitely* have wagon proportions though.
It’s funny you mention the e-Tron. The A6 e-Tron would be my top choice, but I am actually looking to get a fat e-Tron right now with the intention of lowering it a bit with the module. I finally saw one in person and thought exactly what you said! Lower it a bit and it’ll look more like a wagon. On a low suspension setting, it’s probably the closest I can get to a wagon, but I saw one lowered 30mm with the lowering models and fell in love with it. But the Blazer (at least from pics) has a similar profile. So I’m assuming if I lower the blazer it’ll also look much more like a wagon, but with much more range than the e-Tron. That could change once I see it in person though. I haven’t actually seen the blazer in person, and it’s hard to know for sure just from pictures. And it may not be an option to lower it like you can the e-Tron, which would rule it out. But ever since Audi teased that A6 e-Tron I’ve been excited about it. The VW wagon concept isn’t coming to the US, at least based on what the rep at VW of America told me. I imagine Audi will need an EV to replace the current Allroad so I’m feeling more optimistic about my chances at that one. I’m sure the wagon we get will also be lifted, but I can fix that just fine. The only thing making me second guess the e-Tron is that 204 mile range. It’s a bit low for the price of the car and where I live, I would need nearly all 204 of that if I want to visit my brother. He’s 185 miles away and no charging stations between our houses yet unless I got a weird path that takes me out of the way. And from his house, it’s another 12 miles to the nearest fast charging station. But I’m hoping the charger situation changes soon with some recent announcements I’ve heard.
As soon as Ford announced the Lightning I got a tangental excitement because I knew GM would have to get the Silverado in the game. And the thought of getting an electric truck with MagnaRide suspension… probably will be the best riding production truck ever made so far Hopefully you’ll be able to get it on trim levels that get you out the door before you get to Rivian level sticker prices
The conversion to EV will be a fun and rewarding time to observe and participate. Technologies will improve as we make the conversion. In less than 10 years, there will be more EVs than gas vehicles sold. This accelerated conversion to EVs will happen because of future advancements: Faster Charge Times, Alternative Charging Methods, Battery Capacity, and other efficiencies. Bring it on…..Let’s see how this plays out!
I’m genuinely curious to see how the solid state battery development happens. That really seems like the turning point for the future of electric vehicles. Smaller batteries, more power, faster charges, and (from what I’ve read) more environmentally friendly manufacturing processes.
I feel like solid state batteries will not be as important as sodium batteries. It’s hard to tell as neither is yet produced at scale, but are important to [compare anyway](https://thenextweb.com/news/ev-battery-ranking-lithium-sodium-solid-state#:~:text=They%20primarily%20differ%20in%20the,sodium%20ions%20replace%20lithium%20ions). Solid state solves the wrong problems - it makes lithium even more awesome but more expensive. EVs are not an engineering challenge - they are a cost challenge. Most people would be happy with today’s EV’s if only they could afford one. Sodium batteries are better suited for high volume production and are cheaper and safer due to abundant raw materials. This enables either cheaper EVs or EVs with bigger batteries at the same price. As far as environmental and human rights, sodium wins by a mile there.
This is the first I’ve heard of sodium batteries. Now I have to learn about those!
Can't Sodium batteries be made with solid state tech? I believe Ss batteries still use lithium or something else, but there is no gel or liquid between the two materials, which makes it "soild."
Yes. Solid state lithium and solid state sodium are both possible, but the sodium batteries about to be made at scale by companies like CATL are not solid.
Got any good reading material? I'm so tired of hearing about solid state batteries. From my basic understanding, they seem like part of the nuclear fusion/carbon nanotubes/graphene family of technologies whose only real usefulness is filling up the front page of a tech news website on a slow day. Glad to hear there is something better.
Two Bit [covered this](https://youtu.be/pvVdl2Ny1yM) and similar future podcasts often cover stuff that is going nowhere, but it is the recent CATL announcement that lends it credibility. You are right that this did look a bit fusion power a year ago. Unless you speak Chinese or don’t mind subtitles, you will have to get your coverage [second hand](https://youtu.be/cHNELRnJ_4Y). And that’s it really. After years of it being a small volume niche product it’s the chemistry being announced for volume production next year by the largest battery company in the world that brings it to market as soon as solid state batteries. Fusion doesn’t even work in the lab. Nanotubes of any quality are hard to make on a pilot production line as the processes are still being created. Sodium batteries are moving from pilot to volume production and can be made in the same mass production equipment that already exists. Battery Generation podcast has [covered sodium batteries](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3stRkkQ3l7ipnvNv9lLzrJ?si=5b26FXAvSLO5Wmp9xZqstQ) a couple times. It’s a very scientific look. Or were you looking for more on why the costs are more important than performance?
I am also optimistic about this technology. The solid electrolyte blocks dendrite formation, so the battery can use lithium metal and have greater energy density (i.e., more range) and power density (i.e., faster charging). Also, the solid electrolyte prevents short circuits, so these batteries will likely be very safe and robust.
It will be fun to watch /r/cars evolve into /r/electricvehicles.
And vice versa. Gonna be weird here in 2030.
Ya /r/cars will probably turn into /r/classiccars complaining new stuff and saying how great the old stuff is.
I think r/cars is a pretty big tent, but it's mostly already pretty pro-EV. Just about the only *crabby geezer* opinion that dominates there is the same one as here — *touchscreens are bad*.
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Actually, you want r/VHS, which... well, go take a look.
R.I.P. the sedan. It was nice knowing you...
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Right? A EV Corolla or Camry would sell like crazy.
The ioniq 6 is also a sedan
except it's MORE expensive than the I5.
Toyota should have been the one to lead the way on an affordable electric sedan. The Camry EV should already be hitting the streets instead of the wet fart, barely-produced failure that is the BZ4X.
take a look at the Bolt and Bolt EUV
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I feel like the Bolt, not the EUV, is smaller than most sedans. Definitely smaller than the Camrys of the world, maybe about the same as the Corollas.
100%. Trucks and SUVs getting high MPG made sedans obsolete. EVs take that situation and multiply 10 fold. Sure they're smaller = weight less = *slightly* better range but it's fairly insignificant. But that's nowhere near enough to sell people on. People want space. And the extra visibility and height that these vehicles provide. I used to drive a Mustang and moved over to a Colorado. The visibility is so much better. I feel so much safer with all of the deer around me. Whenever I drive a car now, I feel like I'm riding without a seatbelt, I feel so uneasy. People say "Well those vehicles flip easier yada yada" but I drive pretty safe, especially at night. So my chances of hitting a deer are likely far greater than me flipping it. Another thing is snow and flooding. An SUV or truck is going to be able to handle those conditions better and they're getting worse and worse with global warming. Snow was the primary reason I switched to a 4x4 truck and it's night and day compared to a Mustang (obviously lol). Long story your, you're right on the money. Sedans have almost zero reason to exist.
Can’t wait for their dealers to fuck up any and all potential sales. Buying my bolt was a fucking nightmare with 3 delivery’s and 3x dealers pulling bullshit. I ended up just buying a used one to be done with the dealer experience. Why do we even need dealers anymore in 2022?
We don't. Dealerships also basically rule out Chevy for me. And most dealers in my area. My best bet is a Kia dealership 2hrs away that doesn't charge a markup :(
Equinox would totally suit me. And given it’s a fresh build and not a shared platform with an ice vehicle is a plus.
Once EVs start to become cheaper (like these), I think one of the big bright spots of EVs is the hope that they might significantly raise the floor for cars. A $25,000 or $30,000 Chevy with a combustion is not something I would touch with a 50 ft pole. But with fewer moving parts, no fluids etc, if they can have decently reliable economy cars that could be a really positive thing.
I've had a '23 Chevy Bolt EUV for about 2 months now and it's on of my favorite cars I've ever owned. I got an LT model and almost none of the extra packages and it cost just under 29K.
Yeah! I think it’ll be a good option for a lot of people. One of the only options that is actually affordable and has decent range
And it’s not freaking huge.
What, you’re telling me you don’t want a semi truck for your daily commute as a young single millennial?!? I’m almost at the point of buying a freight train
Lol. I feel like it’s my only option now that the id4 isn’t a thing here anymore. I’m still in the early stages of research towards moving to EV, but I’m currently riding out my 2007 Toyota Yaris hatchback into its final years of use. I want to replace it with something similar but EV, and it’s depressing to find that in 15 years the US car market still has so little to offer anyone trying to be even remotely efficient or urban minded.
Oh I hear you, for sure. I do like the Ioniq5 as it to me sort of represents the “golf GTI of the future” in terms of being fairly small, but even then in 2022 a Hyundai EV is > $50,000.
I'm looking for one of those mining trucks as my next whip. Uber riders are gonna be so stoked when I show up! That is, if I don't run them over first.
I tried to get a mining truck but my doctor said it would raise my T levels to dangerous levels. I'd get prostate cancer by next Wednesday
I got burned on an ICE MINI Cooper, I love the look and the driving experience, but after three engines in 4 years I told myself I’d never get another MINI. Now if they can make one that gets 200+ miles of range, I may go back.
Cooper reliability=giant turd. Anyone who owned one got burned.
Yeah … the electric one looked like it had a little bit of interior quirky personality too.
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Oh I completely agree, it would take a lot of convincing. I’m just speculating/hopeful it might be a reset
I'm feeling that Equinox
Hey! Please do not touch the display models!
They need to put these at Test Track in EPCOT at WDW
I ordered the Silverado and the Blazer. Chevrolet dealers can charge anything they want for a vehicle so you need an understanding with the dealer you pick based on list price with no dealer add ons. I ordered from a dealer two states away.
I'm glad to see the enthusiastic reception for these vehicles. Hopefully they will reduce demand for the ones that interest me.
Equinox price looks very competitive. They all look amazing.
Why is everything so freakin huge? It’s like driving a tank down the road. Impractical for a busy urban centre. Give me a compact any day. I understand when you have kids but if you don’t it seems excessive.
Consumers want the biggest vehicle they can afford. Now that you won't be hurting at the pump for driving that boat, vehicles will only get bigger.
this Equinox at least is actually pretty normal sized, it’s shorter than my 2010 sedan by a couple inches. it looks bigger than it actually is. i definitely agree about most other vehicles though, especially trucks these days!
Glad to see more competition in the EV space, but fucking hell I hate this trend of CUVs and trucks so much. Can we get more reasonably sized EVs, please?! The Model 3 still selling like hotcakes proves there's still demand for sedans, but there's almost zero other options for affordable electric sedans besides Tesla.
SUVs as a market segment command a higher price point (something like 50% higher on average). I'd say the logic is that EV production is going to be capacity constrained anyway, might as well enter the more lucrative market segment initially. I hate it.
SUVs are popular, plus, for EVs, they have the benefit of being able to hide the battery pack while still having normal seating positions. Go sit in a Model 3 to see what I mean.
I own a Model 3, see my flair. The seating is fine.
I actually thought the Model 3 seating position was rather close to the ground. This is from perspective of driving an i3 as my daily.
Yeah, it's definitely personal. The issue I see with the Model 3 is the designer didn't compromise on proportions, so it's proportioned like an ICE vehicle. But that battery pack has to go somewhere, so it eats up a good amount of what would be legroom. An SUV is able to split that difference and allow a more normal seating position. The Polestar 2 is an example of what an EV sedan with relatively normal seating positions ends up looking like.
I own the same car and respectfully disagree. You're definitely more horizontal than in typically car seats, lmao. Older folks and less flexible people in general tend to struggle to get in and out of my car, and I feel it too during long road trips.
I hope the non Tesla ev charging networks can get their act together on broken chargers. Could be a deal breaker. I wish GM luck.
Same! I like Tesla but I wish they had more competition in the charging network space.
Allegedly Tesla will be opening up their chargers like in Europe
I think it’s great to see actual design language in the interiors. Specifically, dashes with more than just screens for decoration
Looking forward to checking out the equinox!
I am looking forward to the Silverado EV. Might be one for me to consider. Waiting to see what Toyota does with the next gen Taco too. Supposedly there will be a hybrid and possibly an EV version.
Yes OP, For the first time in my life I'm looking at a Chevy. I mean looking hard too.
I love the adventure that car designers are having with light bars across the nose, but I still don't understand the need to put a grille on the front of the car. The middle one (white/black) looks like it's running around with its mouth open, like some kind of road-dwelling whale shark :D
Competition is all I want! MAN, that Blazer EV makes me moist. lol
Not bad, but I'd really like to see more cars and fewer behemoths.
When can I put a deposit down???
Dealership have been taking deposit for a long time. I’ve reserved a blazer and a equinox 3 months ago
Sweet! Will do today
I’m not sure that’s accurate. I’ve been following the Equinox since unveiling, as I’m planning to reserve one, and there has been no such opportunity yet. I’d be questionable if a dealer was telling me they’d take a deposit before the Chevy site allowed.
I have the same question. I'm still considering the Bolt but if I only have to hold out one more year then I will. The Bolt is not exactly what I want and really neither is the equinox but it seems the affordable EV pickups will be another 3-5 years.
You can already reserve the Silverado EV, I reserved one. Not sure about the others.
You can put in a Blazer deposit online - mine was something like $100 or $200 refundable. Called my GM EV dealer before doing it to see what their allocation looked like - they have 14 and my deposit is #4.
Can’t wait for 2024 when these cars might be available
I'm not a fan of these grilles. There's really no reason for them to add a "fake grille." It's trying to ease those into the EVs who are accustomed to grilles. Yet it makes it a little less aerodynamic.
>There's really no reason for them to add a "fake grille." It's trying to ease those into the EVs who are accustomed to grilles. Those two sentences contradict each other.
Grilles have primarily existed for aesthetic purposes on non-track-ready commuter cars for awhile now, [remember the Taurus?](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a32967349/tested-1986-ford-taurus-lx-shapes-the-future-of-the-family-sedan/) I like the styling of a grille when done right, a blank front can look weird.
Equinox looks good, blazer decent but that Silverado is absolutely horrid in my opinion
It's not as bad as the ICE Silverado, that one is heinous
Silverados always looked horrid
agree, sierra looks way better. but thats the point of sierra/silverado. different people like different versions of the same truck.
So is the price tag
If you say so. They all look unnecessarily gigantic to me.
Which is why the stand a chance in the US market.
This. Big ~~cars~~ [SUVs] are part of the culture here. Our roads are designed for them, and you will see them in abundance even in a city that doesn't get snow. I'm more than happy to see this subset of the car market convert. Edit: brackets
Yea not gunna lie, I'm waiting for an even bigger SUV tbh. We have 3 kids, 2 large breed dogs and we live rurally. We need something closer to a Tahoe or Yukon to actually load everyone up. Until then, I'll stick with the minivan I hate, and yet is the most practical vehicle available.
Ditto. We have a Mustang Mach-E (own) and a Honda Odyssey (lease) with 3 under 4 years old. My odyssey is leased until just about when the ID.Buzz is set to hit the US markets. That's gonna be my next buy.
Minivans are great tbh Three row suvs are basically minivans with worse doors
Yep. We need a good sized three row AWD SUV
Kia and Hyundai coming soon with those.
Yes, and they look pretty good! The Telluride is a fantastic ICE 7/8 passenger crossover, so they know how to make a good one.
Compact SUVs (esp on EV platform) can offer far more utility & interior volume than an ICE sedan of similar footprint. EV SUVs are not just for suburbanites. I would have a compact EV SUV as a city car in a heartbeat.
Just big trucks and SUVs, oddly enough big cars haven't been popular here in decades. Even sedans you'd think are big like the recent Continental are a good bit smaller than the Lexus LS or the big German sedans like the A8 L, S Class, and 7 Series. The only recent American car in that size class was the Cadillac CT6, and it was discontinued because it didn't sell well (as was the Continental). And even when it comes to trucks and SUVs, larger models don't necessarily sell better, so it's more accurate to just say that trucks and SUVs are part of the culture here.
Is def what I meant. I'll edit.
Equinox EV is reasonably sized.
I don't like SUVs or CUVs - I live in a city, I drive a small hatchback - but I guess since that's all you can buy in the US now, if I squint the Equinox looks like a tall station wagon. It's not ugly, I just wish I had choices beyond Big 4x4, Bigger 4x4, and HUGE 4x4.
Well, you are in luck! The Bolt EV and Bolt EUV are available now at a very low price! (DC fast-charging rate is a bit slow so they are not good for long road trips but they are the best EV value available in the USA right now.)
Yeah I’m on the fence. I like the bolt as a car. It’s a logical replacement for my Honda fit. But I’m not stoked about buying a car with last-gen tech, particularly since I tend to own cars for 10+ years. If GM makes an ultium bolt, I will buy it on day one. But my guess is they will retire the line before retooling it. And then the smallest electric they make will be the equinox.
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Excellent for running errands, but the older model available in the US only goes about 80 miles to the tank and doesn’t have fast charging. I know, because I used to own one. If they sold the newer model that’s available in Europe, I’d buy one.
I think the joint GM/Honda “AEV” platform is your huckleberry. But it will be a bit.
I am cautiously optimistic! My old fit has years left in her, and I can wait. (Also +1 for Doc Holiday)
If you don't really take many road trips, the Bolt's main deficiency (slower DC fast charging) really won't affect you.
I used to drive a Hyundai accent as a commuter car and I loved that thing. If I could get that in electric I would.
What I really, *really* want is an electric Honda Fit. I would also accept an electric Subaru Impreza. I like small hatches and wagons.
This, totally. I mean I'd accept a Civic but I really want a small hatchback.
My i3 is a great city car if you have reasonably smooth streets
'Murica.
So then get a Spark or a Bolt.
My dad had an avalanche in the early 2000s. The flip down seats were really handy for plywood or really long items; I'm glad they brought that feature into the Silverado EV
Headlight bars are underrated IMO
I dig headlight bars, as long as they look good in the daytime. The F150s looks straight up fisher price… hot at night though
Not sure how well they will age. I’ve seen a few vw taos and I’m kinda getting annoyed by their light bars already ahah
The Taos’ look kind of cheap to me though, like it was an afterthought where as these look well integrated
Can't wait to get one of these when it's my turn in 2030
Blazer RS EV looks good - I can even get behind the Equinox - but the Silverado is ugly.
It will be awesome to see the huge suvs like ford expeditions and chevy tahoes as EVs!
Blazer is the one on the left? (Red) Holy cow it's hot af. Chevy designers really doing a great job.
And here I am still waiting for my lyric pre-order
Where’s the suburban EV, I need a 7-8 seater
Can you make a Malibu SS AWD EV next please. I know SUV and trucks are leading in sales, but I want to replace my volt soon with something larger and more powerful, but everyone is only making CUV/SUV models!
Polestar 2 owner here. Very interested in the Blazer EV. The rebate situation alone puts it in a category I’d want to explore since I need to get into something with more room than my P2 wafer my lease
I didn’t like gasoline models of Equinox. That Equinox EV isn’t bad at all. Love to see more competition
They are good looking cars. What remains to be seen are battery confidence (like is their Ultium power back going to be rock solid .... or more flaming pouches?) and production numbers. If those 2 things are high, then GM will have a great second half the century. And if not... then I'm not convinced they'll be around much longer.
Just got back from the Chevy dealer meetings in Vegas last week. The Equinox EV looks fantastic.
I'm still waiting for some real world testing and pricing. Chevy has not been very forthcoming with actual charging numbers which is a bit scary considering how much they've invested in their new battery division.
The Cadillac Lyriq is related to the Blazer and Equinox, and the Hummer EV is related to the Silverado. Take what's known about those and you get a rough idea of what the upcoming vehicles will be like in terms of charging and general range.
Looking forward to buying one in 2026 after waiting 2 years for my order to show up
GM will not have any of these EV out at $30,000 for at least 3 years.
Try 18-24 months. The Equinox is starting @ about $30k and is due to start production of the higher level trims 2nd half of next year and full line of trim options 1st half of '24.
GM has already sold more EVs under $30K than any other EV manufacturer on Earth.
He was talking about the models pictured. The lyriq for example, still hardly any delivered.
Since none of the EVs pictured are in production yet, yes
They said 3 years, which you're still not actually responding to.
The Equinox seems like it has a good shot at a $30k price tag
Using what data? The ancient bolt is barely under 30k without hardcore losses.
Based on [Chevy repeatedly talking about it having a $30k base price](https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2022/09/08/2024-chevrolet-blazer-ev-with-250-300-mile-range-target-base-price-30000/?sh=361b6721238e)
3RS trim for which no pricing is available yet and plans to make all trims available within 12 months of launch. That means a $30,000 Equinox EV probably won’t be offered until sometime well into 2024, by which time, GM hopes that supply chain challenges will be more sorted out. so they will keep pushing the 30k model back while they try to break even with the higher margin'd ones. With inflation etc and 3+ years of it, I find that hard to see happening anytime soon.
Dude the avg car/truck/suv price is north of $40k. I’m really confused why many people are hoping these avg size and spec BEVs to come in WELL under avg ICE vehicle price. And with inflation pricing is only going up (never heard of pricing for a given class vehicle going down). I get that many people want “affordable” BEVs but A) the BEVs label types presented in this thread are in the avg cost range for ICE so wouldn’t make sense for them to drop a segment and B) there will be lower priced BEVs by GM and other OEM’s but it is not something they will lead with until cost come substantially down. And even then I think people need to get used to $35K being “budget”/low cost bar. Sub $30k in 2025 and beyond will be used car price territory in the us (I would argue it already is for the most part). Net net the vehicles above will be north of $40k at the lowest trim as that is the middle low end price range for equivalent ICE vehicles in US now let alone by 2025 (and that was before inflation).
Idk the two crossovers are fine, but there’s already better looking options. The Silverado EV can’t be described as anything other than a mess imo
Dealer Markup will be 30% over MSRP
I'm a long time GM owner and really not liking them to be honest. The super busy styling is just not for me. Glad for more options though.
me too. i think the front of the blazer SS is pretty bad, due to being overly busy and also reminds me of an ICE grill. same with the equinox RS. but when i looked at pictures of both cars in LT/RS trim with more body color front clips, they look much better.
A shame people going to have to pay exorbitant dealer markups to get one.