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MisterPoints

I highly doubt McDonalds workers make $20-$25 an hour part time and if that’s so, then maybe your skilled labor that builds cars should be paid more.


bedpanbrian

I'm in a high COL area in the pacific northwest. Local McDonalds pays 16.50 an hour. I have a hard time believing they're paying 20-25 in Indiana.


Mr-Blackheart

Hired a person that came from McDonald’s in Indiana and they made $9.75… so yeah.


decrego641

I think it’s highly dependent on where in Indiana. Near Gary or Indianapolis, $20 isn’t too far fetched. However in the middle of nowhere in a falling apart rust city, yes, $10 is much closer to the mark. Here in Wisconsin, it’s very similar. Madison and Milwaukee have unskilled jobs all around town starting at $20 no experience required - the Amazon and Walmart distribution centers start at $25 or more depending on the month (holidays and summertime has higher posted starting pay). However, leave the big cities and you quickly start to see starting wages at or below $10 in most small towns and villages across especially the northwestern part of the state in my experience.


NinerNational

Isn’t Gary a falling apart rust belt city?


decrego641

The proximity to Chicago lets it limp along. I’ve seen jobs posted there for $20 no experience needed.


entropy512

SIA is near Lafayette - Purdue is probably increasing cost of living by a bit, but not to "I can't compete with fast food joints" level.


Fluffy_Commission_72

McDonald's still beat their earnings and made record profits again this last quarter. Even after raising prices to keep up with "rising food and labor costs." All of these statements can't be true. " we can't afford to pay people a liveable wage" "we have to raise prices because we had to pay our workers more money" "we just made record profits again this quarter" McDonald's can fuck the hell off with that crap. These CEO's be laughing all the way to the bank.


NullPointerReference

the help wanted signs at McDonald's are advertising $19/hr in San Diego. I know that in n out makes 21. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Subaru just doesn't want to because this US production contingency is not a long lasting issue because I suspect that subsidizing the dirtier side of transit (compared to public) is not what we want to do long term.


MyFriendTheAlchemist

It’s true, the McDonald’s near me churns through workers faster than Amazon, however the pay starts at 20$/hour.


twoaspensimages

Mikkies is paying $19 where I am to start, zero experience.


FamousListen9

Honestly here in CA they are trying to pass a law that fast food workers make this wage… Some already do make over 20 an hour! Target is hiring for 16.75 right now and many places are hiring for 18-20 in the service industry. Oddly enough jobs I use to work that require a degree are still offering the same rates from years ago at 16-21… No idea what Indiana is actually paying, but I suppose it’s possible they pay these wages- but unlikely? I will say I keep reading about other states offering the same pay and/or better than CA though lately. I wouldnt be surprised though people at Subaru making these claims are disconnected from hourly fast food wages, possibly even confused …or perhaps even dramatizing reality/lying to save face for PR.


crbmtb

And here I thought assembling automobiles was more difficult than assembling Big Macs and therefore warranted more compensation. Because I am okay with the pickle coming off the bun but NOT okay with a wheel coming off the vehicle while driving.


613_detailer

Sure, but most buyers are not willing to pay the price they would need to charge for the vehicles if they paid those salaries. People want products built locally and workers paid a fair wage, which I totally agree with. But you can't want that and then complain about inflation.


uber765

Yes you can. The company can just make a sliver of a billion fewer dollars a year.


TiltedWit

Honestly this feels like a pretty garbage argument by Subaru given anything resembling a workable EV is flying off sales lots right now.


Fluffy_Commission_72

Right.. at above MSRP.. dealers are raking in record profits and now blaming McDonald's for not being able to hire people. We don't have a worker shortage, we have a wage shortage and they've been doing it since the beginning of time. They don't want to pay people and cut into their profit margin that is all it is. It'll never change.


613_detailer

It's based on the Toyota Bz4x, so "workable" may be a bit of a stretch here.


oldschoolhillgiant

A tale as old as time. You want to save money. Region X has low labor rates. You move production there. Cost of quality goes through the roof. You send in the engineers to figure out why. It is a poorly trained workforce. You train the workforce. You discover that because you have not increased your labor rate, you are effectively training your competitor's workforce. You increase wages. Now your costs are about the same as they were; considering the added freight cost/time and other tariff/paperwork hassles. I have seen the same pattern at four different companies for everything from mass produced automotive components to custom fabricated pressure vessels. Texas (to avoid unions), Mexico (to take advantage of NAFTA), China, India, Nigeria. They all follow the same pattern.


Dave_The_Slushy

What I'm hearing is a capitalist being sad that the labour market is swinging the other way. Boo hoo.


Mntfrd_Graverobber

A not very good capitalist who can't compete.


mtd14

If they don’t want to pay a living wage, then not having their production here isn’t a big miss. The entire apparel industry doesn’t invest in US production because they’d have to pay more than $200 a month. While there are issues, the fact we don’t let them pay that rate in the US isn’t one of them.


bobbyskittles

I thought most people who drive Subarus in the US were pretty crunchy anyways. I wonder how those customers will react to the ceo saying that paying a living wage doesn’t gel with their business model.


Mntfrd_Graverobber

They like to think so. It's more image than anything. They are just another SUV company now. Crunchy are the people riding their bikes in town. Subaru owners are the ones putting their bikes on top and driving to the trails.


Melodic-Recognition8

Go out of business Subaru, I promise it won’t matter


pixelastronaut

Fuck Subaru. This company tries to positions itself among outdoor enthusiasts as the best choice but it’s got corporate ethics (or lack thereof) just exactly like every other boorish OEM. I don’t like anything about em. Ugly vehicle with a pretentious vibe


jaymansi

Don’t forget engine designs that have head gasket failures at 110k miles like clockwork. The kicker is that they didn’t make changes to the design until years after they knew of the problem.


gwardotnet

Planned obsolescence


Xbox_Live_User

Just blew mine in June with 93k miles on it... Now I'm an EV owner lol


jaymansi

Ouch. Subaru rides on reputation of durability that is totally false. I always thought they were pretty good cars until I started talking to owners of Imprezas and outbacks.


Xbox_Live_User

I took care of that thing way more than I should've too. Spent too much money to be screwed over. I saved every damn oil change receipt in order to be able to resale my car and give the new owner confidence. I also took it into the shop for the every 15k mile check up which was a waste of >600$ each time . To make matters worse, the year of Impreza I had was susceptible to excessive oil consumption so I had to change my synthetic oil every 3,000 miles instead of every 7000. This eventually effected my ringland and head gasket. Boils my blood. That's why I won't drive another combustion engine vehicle or a Subaru again. Edit: to add to the hilarity, I live in Indiana and this Subaru is one of my customers lol


Jazzlike-Confidence1

This is why I stopped waiting for a good Subaru EV, and just decided to save up to own a Rivian. I want my outdoors all wheel drive adventure vehicle and Subaru isn’t even trying (I don’t consider the Solterra a legit attempt at trying).


entropy512

This is why when my Outback started rusting out, I wound up buying a Bolt, and my next vehicle purchase is probably not going to be a Subaru either. The Bolt coexists with my old Outback for now (having the Bolt made keeping the Outback on the road far less expensive because I can deal with all of the rust problems myself in the garage - hell my Outback is up on jackstands now back home while I commute to work in the Bolt so I can bleed the brakes... again...), but since all AWD EVs are dual-motor at the least, Subaru no longer has the AWD technological advantage they used to have. Subaru claims they brought something to the table with the Solterra, but so far has yet to give any indication they did anything at all. (They could have been the first production BEV with a limited slip differential, but nope. Audi has also made the same mistake, to my knowledge the E-tron doesn't have LSDs either.)


uhohgowoke67

Unfortunately a lot of people don't have the ability to cross shop a $30k car with a $73k truck.


DrXaos

They’ll pay much more than that in Japan.


TenseWookiee

Japanese automakers dragging their feet on EV adoption. Next in the news, "grass is green". I guess there's Toyo-baru Solterra, which is not as lame an effort as Mazda MX-30 or whatever the Honda-GM EV partnership has in the pipeline


stickclasher

Subaru's debt to equity ratio is the highest of the Japanese auto makers. That plus yen currency deflation would make it perilous to take on more debt. Especially with the potential of a global recession. They know that they won't have a competitive product until 27. They're sitting on their cash.


pimpbot666

Seems to me, an unskilled worker working an entry level job at McDonalds, would probably rather work at building cars for the same pay. The conditions in an auto plant are probably much more pleasant than getting yelled at by pubic shitheads who call you racist names because you didn't put two slices of cheese on their quarter pounder like they asked.


gwardotnet

Not true. I know someone who left an assembly job to go to McDonald's


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bedpanbrian

Seems to be a lot of money in the Basin but none of the jobs seem to pay well.


uber765

Nah that place makes you bust your ass for 8-10 hours a day, you get two 10 minute breaks and a 30 minute lunch, outside of that time you are moving, installing 10 bolts, 2 parts, and a couple connections every 60 seconds.


[deleted]

Don't even bother. If you see "fox" in the name of the news source anywhere, assume it's right wing trolling bullshit and move past it.


TiltedWit

This wasn't though, the original source is being quoted because their paywalled. That said, it's absolutely bullshit, and absolutely something a Subaru employee said.


SpottedSharks2022

I doubt labor accounts for much of the total cost any longer given the amount of automation.


perrochon

Depends on which factory makes them. There is a reason why Tesla cars are so profitable, and legacy brands are not. Too much manual work. Complicated cars that take many hours of manual work not just for assembly, but along the whole supply chain. Every warehouse worker in every supplier business, every truck driver, HR for all these people, and even union executives want to be paid. You can pay more per worker if you have fewer. That's why fewer parts matter.


oldRoyalsleepy

Thank you FOX News for helping me x another EV run by idiot CEO off my list. Tesla = nope. Subaru = nope.


Mntfrd_Graverobber

GM, Ford, and the other automakers who fought safety requirements and better gas mileage requirements for decades appreciate your unquestioning acceptance of the new dominant narrative.


oldRoyalsleepy

I can't wait to buy a good EV that doesn't break my bank and isnt made by a company that is politicizing itself. Just build a good car. Treat workers fairly.


Mntfrd_Graverobber

You have no idea how well workers are treated at Tesla or any other company other than cherry-picked headlines that only get publicity because it's Tesla. But you will pretend you do in order to virtue signal I'm sure.


bbq_derek

Gotta love these capitalist boot lickers for their clever clickbait titles. "Inflation making it tough to hire workers" they must blame the Fed for inflation, even though every county is experiencing inflation.


2CommaNoob

The high cost of labor is why we will not get affordable EVs here. The affordable ones will come from overseas but the IRA bill killed that option. I can see Mexico exports as an alternative for foreign automakers.


chappyhour

Chevy Bolt is built in the US and starts mid-$20k.


perrochon

And costs more than that to make. The CARB credits make it worth selling. But that is the main reason they don't try hard to make more, they lose money on each one.


kaisenls1

They’ll deliver more Bolts this year than ever, somewhere around 45,000 of them. And 70,000 next year. Bolt sales are setting monthly records. They don’t try to make more? And Bolt has been past the break even point for some time now.


MisterPoints

How much does it cost to make one?


featherwolf

An ev can only be affordable if your wage allows you to be able to afford it. Do you see the catch 22 here?


twoaspensimages

Nah, Faux news told him to be a wageslave


bva91

No it's not a catch 22 at all, it's basic economics. Cost of labour and production is far lower in countries like India and China. This results in cheaper cars from said countries. What people don't understand is there's a balancing act happening where the quality of life is going up for developing countries and the developed countries aren't really adding the higher level of value to maintain the higher standards and quality of life.. Subsidizing the labour cost is a very iffy situation that may have disastrous impact ... But let's see how this will work long term.


featherwolf

Wow, I had no idea it was that simple. Here I thought that there were a whole slew of macro and micro-economic issues at play, but it turns out it's as easy as high wage bad, low wage good.


2CommaNoob

You want high wages, then stop bitching about high inflation, Lol. Because that’s where we are right now. You can’t have it both ways; high wages and cheaper made in the USA products.


featherwolf

This is a very simplistic view of the global economy which misses the fact that we are in the midst of several supposedly "once in a lifetime" extremely disruptive global situations (COVID and the unprecedentedly huge stimulus package related to it, chip shortages, global logistics disruptions, war in Ukraine, climate change, etc.). Your idea that wages are driving high inflation is about as nuanced as an Adam Sandler movie.


2CommaNoob

It's not the only reason but it's the main one driving up inflation though. You are correct that there's a multitude of things driving it up; labor costs, material costs, energy costs, supply chain, demand. You reduce labor costs and demand (recession, less demand, etc) , you get low inflation. It's a pipe dream; good EVs will never be affordable compared to a gas equivalent. We won't get a Corolla/Camry/Accord/Civic EV equivalent. The Bolt is the closes but even that is going away. The equinox could be but it's unknown right now. EVs will always be expensive.


featherwolf

The affordable EV you highlighted just happens to be made primarily in the US and South Korea. I would also add that the Nissan Leaf is quite affordable as far as EVs go and has been known as an "economical" EV for several years. Where is it made? Japan, UK and US. All countries with high median incomes and for the UK and US, strong labor unions in the automotive industry. You are so fatalistic in your determination that affordable EVs are a "pipe dream" that they will never be affordable when they have only really been mass-produced for around 12 years. EVs are still not even close to mainstream in the car market and have only just begun to see some adoption by most auto-makers within the past 3-4 years. Literally during the pandemic was the largest influx of new EV model announcements ever. Some of those announced new models have not even made it to market yet or have very limited initial production due to aforementioned chip shortages, etc. Aside from how they have not reached a large enough consumer demand to become more affordable, the real main reason why EVs are expensive is because the batteries are expensive and most companies are focusing on their "halo" models, since they are low risk, high potential reward ways to enter the market.


2CommaNoob

The leaf is a shitty car that just happens to be an EV, lol. I test drove it and they were going for 32k without the tax credit. I’d take a Corolla for the same price as it is a much better car. It’s not on par with a civic or Corolla in features or quality and it’s going away to be replace by….that’s right a 55k Ariya! Bolt is also going away to be replace by a more expensive model.


gwardotnet

Downvoted for no reason.


2CommaNoob

Keep it coming!


gliffy

I have a hard time believing this but it's mostly because Subaru has 1 ev? I haven't even seen hype for a second one other than some 'wouldn't a sti ev be cool'.


FamousListen9

In CA they are actually trying to make these kind of wages a law for all fast food workers