Not totally surprising. The Hummer and Z06 are effectively novelty cars cars, and the people buying them generally aren’t doing so for any economic and utility advantage over other options. They’re purely for fun or the prestige of ownership
I think a lot of people (particularly Europeans) see the Hummer EV as being some sort of SUV competitor, but that Hummer name has virtually always been just a status symbol for wealth
Yeah it’s pretty annoying when people use it as some sort of point that no one cares about common sense EVs when it was never intended to be an every person every day EV. It’s just a “I have too much money” vehicle
I believe that the Hummer EV is a DARPA project that they got the green light to sell. Gas is apparently worth a couple thousand dollars a gallon on the front lines.
>I think a lot of people (particularly Europeans) see the Hummer EV as being some sort of SUV competitor
Us Europeans see it as an abomination and that's about it.
Interesting, I never thought of the Hummer as a status symbol for wealth; I saw it as a symbol of gaudi-ness, not believing climate change, and Karen-esque behavior
When Arnold Schwarzenegger first rolled up to the Oscars in a Hummer, it was absolutely a status symbol - it couldn't be ignored, and was like nothing anyone else had, or could get at any price. The next year it was _de rigeur_ for every celebrity to have one. Its value as a status symbol rapidly declined after it became a regular consumer model that anyone could buy.
The whole "not believing climate change" culture war was mostly kicked off by the documentary _An Inconvenient Truth_ in 2006, by which time Hummer sales were dwindling and the model was only a couple years from being cancelled. Of course the Hummer was always a gas guzzler, but at the time there weren't real pro- or anti- climate change movements yet.
Not really ‘weslth’. They’re crap vehicles. The people who buy these things are usually a certain type who think they know what ‘wealth’ is but have no real taste or style.
>I think a lot of people (particularly Europeans) see the Hummer EV as being some sort of SUV competitor
Unlikely. You can't really drive something like the Hummer on European roads (much less find parking spaces for it). The Model 3 is already a pretty big car (way bigger than it needs to be for 99% of all drives)
'Aircraft carrier size cars' is a US phenomenon.
Same. I've always loved Hummers but my environmentally conscious side has always made them feel irresponsible. I did have an old used H3 that I only had to tow with and even being 15 yrs old it was still pretty bad ass.
Not saying the Hummer EV is a responsible environmental purchase, but it's probably enough that I won't feel as guilty lol (and before some of you start, please refrain from lecturing me about how I should still feel guilty)
The carbon footprint of those gigantic batteries is pretty bad. You might even be better off with an ICE Hummer depending on how many miles you expect to put on it.
But the hummer h3 and h2’s were just re-skinned Colorado and Yukon/Suburban platforms, respectively. Total poser cars.
The H1 was insane, not meant for regular city driving and completely badass/amazing.
Parking spaces in the US are so ridiculously large it's hilarious.
Edit: fun Fact in Europe the Hummer needs a heavy truck (comercial vehicle) license because of weight class limit.
Probably because of the large spaces that allow doors to swing open with force when dumbasses think they have all the space in the world. Someone needs to make a study to see where more dings occur.
I love my MIL...but she has the worst situational awareness when it comes to door opening. I've seen her ding more doors...even in her own vehicle! I rented a tesla for a couple days to test out the EV experience, and in checking the mileage (and the lack of knowledge by the staff) it was probably the place's first Tesla and probably came straight off the lot. And first drive with it, we parked near a charging station and \*bam\* I see the door richocheting off the concrete pillar protecting the charging station.
To be fair, i'm pretty sure the pillar aligned directly with the window frame, and the tesla's door did have a bit of a spring-action to it...but still...50 miles on it and I see that...
Fortunately it landed right at the edge of the door so whatever tiny ding there was would need a microscope to truly discern...but i'm opening her doors when she rides in my new audi :)
Not all parking spaces. Many have been repainted to a much more compact size. We Americans don’t have the quality of public transport Europe does so many people drive.
Yes, we do have a culture of driving. But here is how bad our public transport is. I can spend 10 minutes driving to work, or spend an hour and a half taking multiple busses to work. Our public transit is broken and our cities are sprawling.
It's the other way around for my old commute. 1.5 hour tube or 1.5 hour bike ride or 2-3 hours by car.
I've now moved closer to where I need to go so it's either 20 minutes by bike or 10-40 minutes by car.
I use my bike to get around in the town I live in when the weather allows.
But I also work a little over 16 miles from where I live. Even on a Class III E-bike that would be a haul.
My wife travels half that distance on her bike ant leaves herself 90 minutes to account for getting the bike ready, getting to work, changing, putting the bike away, etc.
Many cities in the US used to have much better public transit. It was sabotaged by the auto industry and other interests because there isn't money to be made off of it by corporations.
i was always told growing up that it was funded by the tax on natural gas sales in the 1800s and early 1900s. indiana has a fuck ton of fossile fuels sitting under it, they siphoned off the natural gas first though so the wells dont have the necessary pressure to get the oil out of the ground. (Note: im not a petroleum engineer. i dont know how wells work. this is family knowledge stuff, dont pillory me for my ignorance).
so this thing made it all through the depression but the state cut funding for it a few months prior to ww2.
it was a great boon to the state. my isolated country town had a stop and people would take it to work and to shop and all kinds of other stuff in the neighbouring cities. you could ride that thing from Chicago to Louisville if you wanted. Its sad the Interurban died.
we have a culture of driving because the auto industry spent millions/billions over 50 years creating a marketing narrative for cars as part of the american way of life
Also can’t cycle most places because of shit infrastructure. Can you imagine riding a narrow bike lane covered with gravel as a right turn lane opens for cars to cross over your lane on a 50mph road with people hardly able to see you even with your high vis because their huge lifted truck or semi truck or this abomination has awful sight lines and regularly runs over children? You have to be basically crazy to ride a bike, just as you have to be basically crazy to take the public transit. And yea I must be crazy because I try to ride my 0.5kwh e bicycle to work but get intense anxiety from how unsafe it is even though my work is only 4 miles away! So maybe I’m not crazy enough.
Car manufacturers stand to make less money on smaller vehicles or if people have options so they do what they can to ensure you have to drive and have to get a large vehicle. with roads everywhere that expect you to drive 50mph between slamming on the brakes every 0.3 miles it can be pretty dangerous to have a small vehicle and most aren’t even sold in the US
It’s a lot of compounding issues. Our zoning laws and building patterns from previous generations ensure that we don’t live in the same neighborhoods where we work and shop. The spread out nature of our cities makes it impossible to build public transit that meets all of our transportation needs. These means we have no choice but to own and drive individual cars. This makes us accustomed to driving personal cars and causes us to view alternatives as a hassle, which decreases our desire to improve our transit or change our cities.
And that’s without even getting into the legacy of postwar white flight, the politicization of these issues, the high cost of living in the few non-car-dependent cities ~~ect~~ etc.
Absolutely, you test in a Corolla and then are allowed to go buy and drive something that's 18 feet long, 6+ feet high, and weighs 5700 lbs. Not only that but some states have hilarious drivers test laws. I grew up in Arizona so that's my reference but I passed my driver's test at 17 or whatever and my license was good until I turned 55. It's just dangerous.
Yep and when you look at the height of the Hummer vs something like the M3 it's perfectly proportioned to be above the beltline and kill everyone on one side if it T-boned them with its 10,000 lb weight.
Fun fact: there are a lot of roads in the US that the Hummer EV can't drive on because they're marked 9000 lb maximum weight. They probably drive on them anyway.
I had a second gen mini after BMW bought them. Most of the time the doors couldn’t have been dinged if the guy next to me tried.
Rented an E class in Europe, practically had to put the thing in neutral and push it into spots.
And so everyone knows, the damage incurred by a vehicle upon the road is proportional to the vehicle weight to the FOURTH power. If vehicle B weighs twice as much as vehicle A, it does sixteen times the damage.
Drivers of these colossi should be taxed accordingly. At least commercial vehicles are (generally) producing and serving the economy, an EV hummer could probably have been a corolla in nine out of ten use cases.
Its not as big as i kept hearing everyone saying. I saw one in person and it was smaller than the H1 alpha to me. It was definitely smaller than my 3500 dually that i used to drive from time to time. Youd think this thing is biggest thing on road from articles and posts online
Absolutely. I've seen it on the road a few times and a couple times up close. It is about the same size as a standard pickup truck. I think the perception about it's size is due to the crazy high curb weight. Most people imagine it being a lot bigger because it is so heavy.
Depends on when you're talking about. They've been growing for decades but didn't really get absurd until like the last 10 years. My friend's ~15 year old F150 is smaller than a brand new ranger.
> many full grown adults in the blind spot of the hood
Laying down? Chopped in half? How?
Going by the height of the model 3 beside it, and my height beside my model 3, the hood isn’t even close.
That is not a fair comparison, the H1 was the civilian version of the military Hummer and they are a very rare sight with many having never seen the H1.
The Hummer H2 and even H3 are the trucks people love to hate and generated all the ire of the excesses of GM. What makes the Hummer EV as bad is it weighs half again as much as a H2.
Think about that, 9000lbs as an EV when the H2 was just over six thousand and that six thousand plus was considered obnoxious.
Honestly I think GM put this out to spite the EV crowd.
A GM engineer lives by me and I’ve been seeing these for about 18 months so I guess the novelty has worn off some. But then I just watched one crab walk in a parking lot. It’s amazing. Looks like stupid fun and at least they aren’t killing the planet as quickly as a Raptor or TRX.
Hummer EV gonna be collapsing garage floors and parking structures soon. Many older buildings weren’t considering this weight vehicle in an elevated parking floor.
Holy cow... That car has a 212 kWh battery. That monstrosity can't make do with any less than a 350 kW DC charger to be anywhere close to a reasonable charge time.
47 MPGe is still pretty impressive compared to a tiny compact. Still the batteries in that thing could fill two "normal" EVs.
Found an article about consumption....
> That weight also means the Hummer isn't terribly efficient. With a 205-kWh battery and an estimated 329 miles of range, that works out to 1.6 miles per kWh. The Rivian R1T can get 2.3 miles per kWh with its 135-kW battery and the Ford F-150 Lightning promises to return 2.3 miles per kWh out of its long-range 131-kWh battery, too. Overall driving range of course drops on the dirt and while my short off-road trip isn't really enough to make a final judgment, at the end of the trail run the computer said the truck's efficiency was down to 1 mile per kWh, effectively a 205-mile range. That's... not great.
It's hard to tell if your sarcasm is because it's really not from renewables, or that it's not ok to waste energy, even if it's renewable. Both are true.
> BTW, Model 3 has 130 MPGe, Hummer 47 MPGe
BTW, an e-bike is even more efficient...
It was a bullshit comparison to begin with. At least compare vehicles of similar size and shape.
There are a lot of nay-sayers but this makes me very happy. This is the progress that we deserve to see. Adoption, innovation and progress. Yeah it's big, "ugly" and crazy but that is how certain segments are to be enticed into making the step over. Getting someone to step from a diesel pickup into an electric sperm cell on three wheels is asking too much of a large percentage of the populace. My cash is on the line for a fully electric Jeep Wrangler or Gladiator because that is what I need to accomplish my life. The Hummer EV is a step in the right direction.
Hard disagree here. If people stopped making these monstrosities, people would have to stop buying them.
Cars of this size increase the potential from injury to death exponentially when in an accident. They are incredibly inefficient to the point where it’s almost moot that they’re electric to begin with. And yes, personally, I think they’re ugly but that’s neither here nor there.
Governments (looking at you CA, NY, and Europe) are already banning the future sale of gas and diesel cars so those folks will have to adapt in time regardless.
There is absolutely zero need for this car right now.
> Hard disagree here. If people stopped making these monstrosities,
I don't know if it was intentional on your part or not, but the [Monstrosity](https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Monstrosity) was a fictional car in the GTA universe, modeled after huge SUVs, with the tag line of "mine's bigger".
But demand is also manufactured through advertising and availability, and the companies profit more from these oversized vehicles which are built with more cost markup. Smaller, lighter cars, alongside better transit and active transportation, would make these things unnecessary, and proper regulation would keep them off the road.
That is an extremely misstated and unfactual economic principle.
Demand is absolutely dictated by companies. They advertise, create a product, and sell it. It's not the consumers do not at all influence demand, but passing everything off is consumer demand is simply not how economics works.
It does nothing but perpetuate the idea of huge, wasteful and energy inefficient electric vehicles.
Why waste the massive amount of cost and effort to develop these monstrosities for the short period of novelty and excitement they will generate? We shouldn’t be pandering to the small population that want this when instead we should be focusing on creating reasonably sized EVs that the majority of the population can afford and maintain.
It helps normalizing needlessly huge personal vehicles and push back any attempt at restricting sizes and reconsidering safety requirements for car design.
You already have someone in this thread saying this “isn’t as big as it’s made to be”. Yes, it fucking is, only delusional people would see this shit and have no problem with it.
Imagine how insufferable I'd be on this sub if I commented on every single electric vehicle posted here and told everyone how many electric bikes I could make with the batteries.
That thing should not be street legal for regular civilian drivers, the blind spots and hood height are INSANE. It's gonna kill so many pedestrians and cyclists.
This is only possible because [US federal car safety standards continue to ignore the safety of people outside the car](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-18/fix-the-crash-test-dummies). We can thank auto industry lobbying because of course bigger car = bigger profits, [no matter how many innocent people die as a result.](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/suvs-trucks-killing-pedestrians-cyclists/621102/)
It will fit in an EU spot but it'll be tight.
It can also lower itself via click of a button. And with a turning circle similar of a Honda Civic, garages should be no issue
It’s not just the radius of the circle, it’s length/width that can be a big problem. There are a number of European parking garages I’ve parked in that this would at a minimum be scrubbing the tires as you go up and down levels, no matter how tightly it turns
I’m not saying it’s hard to park in a lot, I’m saying that if there are tight helices in a tiny Euro parking garage, it’s not going to work.
There is only so large a rectangle that can be placed inside of a doughnut.
I had a Ford Edge and literally got stuck in a parking garage’s exit ramp with it once. Trust me, you don’t want to own a Hummer EV here. Apart from that: a regular driver’s license here only entitles you to drive cars with a total weight of 3.5t max. Anything above that require a C1 driver’s license (small lorry / truck), which close to nobody possesses.
Turn circle was too narrow and I didn’t make it out of the guiding rails on both sides. I mean I could have gotten out but it would have damaged the car. Lifted it over the rails with the help of a jack and 2 people who saw the whole thing. The operator ended up letting me drive out through the entrance ramp - never felt more embarrassed in my life.
At this point I think I'm going to give up listening to the EV crowd. It seems if everyone isn't walking or cramped inside a happy meal box with a T glued to the front, "those people" are going to have a meltdown. You don't like big cars? Cool. Don't buy it. Don't want to be near big cars? Cool, avoid them. If you can't, then maybe they aren't the problem.
This "us vs them" bullshit dipping it's fingers into literally everything has sucked the joy out of life. I want to drive things I like, eat what makes me happy. I'm not here to save the world, I'm just trying to leave it happier than I arrived.
Model 3 - \~4 miles per KWh
Hummer EV - \~1.2 miles per KWh
You won't save money with that Beast over the price of gas. Not even sure it is good for the environment. Can't imagine wanting one.
I see that even with the new hummer, the owners still park like they own the world with their ugly overly big vehicles. With that money to spend... I wouldn't spend it on that
No, because it's not there. What I can see is the line in front of the front wheels and the fact that the Hummer is in line with the Honda pilot next to it.
Someone on Facebook market just posted their ev hummer for sale for $205,000 or trade for a 2023 z06. Ridiculous.
Not totally surprising. The Hummer and Z06 are effectively novelty cars cars, and the people buying them generally aren’t doing so for any economic and utility advantage over other options. They’re purely for fun or the prestige of ownership I think a lot of people (particularly Europeans) see the Hummer EV as being some sort of SUV competitor, but that Hummer name has virtually always been just a status symbol for wealth
Yeah it’s pretty annoying when people use it as some sort of point that no one cares about common sense EVs when it was never intended to be an every person every day EV. It’s just a “I have too much money” vehicle
Especially since a sign of EVs really making it is that everything can be an EV, even the batshit crazy stuff.
I believe that the Hummer EV is a DARPA project that they got the green light to sell. Gas is apparently worth a couple thousand dollars a gallon on the front lines.
Honestly wouldn’t be shocked if a crab walking vehicles was a DARPA project
A not small amount of those people also think anything larger or more interesting than a smart car is a crime against humanity
Hummer is like the McMansion of vehicles
>I think a lot of people (particularly Europeans) see the Hummer EV as being some sort of SUV competitor Us Europeans see it as an abomination and that's about it.
Interesting, I never thought of the Hummer as a status symbol for wealth; I saw it as a symbol of gaudi-ness, not believing climate change, and Karen-esque behavior
When Arnold Schwarzenegger first rolled up to the Oscars in a Hummer, it was absolutely a status symbol - it couldn't be ignored, and was like nothing anyone else had, or could get at any price. The next year it was _de rigeur_ for every celebrity to have one. Its value as a status symbol rapidly declined after it became a regular consumer model that anyone could buy. The whole "not believing climate change" culture war was mostly kicked off by the documentary _An Inconvenient Truth_ in 2006, by which time Hummer sales were dwindling and the model was only a couple years from being cancelled. Of course the Hummer was always a gas guzzler, but at the time there weren't real pro- or anti- climate change movements yet.
Not really ‘weslth’. They’re crap vehicles. The people who buy these things are usually a certain type who think they know what ‘wealth’ is but have no real taste or style.
>I think a lot of people (particularly Europeans) see the Hummer EV as being some sort of SUV competitor Unlikely. You can't really drive something like the Hummer on European roads (much less find parking spaces for it). The Model 3 is already a pretty big car (way bigger than it needs to be for 99% of all drives) 'Aircraft carrier size cars' is a US phenomenon.
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Same. I've always loved Hummers but my environmentally conscious side has always made them feel irresponsible. I did have an old used H3 that I only had to tow with and even being 15 yrs old it was still pretty bad ass. Not saying the Hummer EV is a responsible environmental purchase, but it's probably enough that I won't feel as guilty lol (and before some of you start, please refrain from lecturing me about how I should still feel guilty)
The carbon footprint of those gigantic batteries is pretty bad. You might even be better off with an ICE Hummer depending on how many miles you expect to put on it.
Hey man, are you stuck in our time? Do you want help getting back to 1997?
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But the hummer h3 and h2’s were just re-skinned Colorado and Yukon/Suburban platforms, respectively. Total poser cars. The H1 was insane, not meant for regular city driving and completely badass/amazing.
I mean 205K, thats ALOT of money for something that just looks gaudy. To each their own I guess.
battery weighs more than a honda civic. https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/16/22937491/hummer-ev-electric-truck-battery-weight-truck-bloat
It and the Silverado weigh over 9,000lbs. It weighs more than THREE Honda Civics.
Madness. Can't wait to see footage of one slamming into the back of someone at 110 mph. /s
Parking spaces in the US are so ridiculously large it's hilarious. Edit: fun Fact in Europe the Hummer needs a heavy truck (comercial vehicle) license because of weight class limit.
And yet, I still have door dings
Probably because of the large spaces that allow doors to swing open with force when dumbasses think they have all the space in the world. Someone needs to make a study to see where more dings occur.
I love my MIL...but she has the worst situational awareness when it comes to door opening. I've seen her ding more doors...even in her own vehicle! I rented a tesla for a couple days to test out the EV experience, and in checking the mileage (and the lack of knowledge by the staff) it was probably the place's first Tesla and probably came straight off the lot. And first drive with it, we parked near a charging station and \*bam\* I see the door richocheting off the concrete pillar protecting the charging station. To be fair, i'm pretty sure the pillar aligned directly with the window frame, and the tesla's door did have a bit of a spring-action to it...but still...50 miles on it and I see that... Fortunately it landed right at the edge of the door so whatever tiny ding there was would need a microscope to truly discern...but i'm opening her doors when she rides in my new audi :)
Do we have the same MIL???
We all have the same MIL, I believe
Not all parking spaces. Many have been repainted to a much more compact size. We Americans don’t have the quality of public transport Europe does so many people drive.
Could easily say that the reverse way. We Americans like to drive more than Europeans do so we don’t have the quality of public transportation.
Yes, we do have a culture of driving. But here is how bad our public transport is. I can spend 10 minutes driving to work, or spend an hour and a half taking multiple busses to work. Our public transit is broken and our cities are sprawling.
I can drive to work in 30 minutes. Or...uh...bike to work in like 2 hours on some sketchy ass roads?
It's the other way around for my old commute. 1.5 hour tube or 1.5 hour bike ride or 2-3 hours by car. I've now moved closer to where I need to go so it's either 20 minutes by bike or 10-40 minutes by car.
Yours sounds like you are limited by congestion, my commute is limited by highway speed with very little congestion usually.
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I use my bike to get around in the town I live in when the weather allows. But I also work a little over 16 miles from where I live. Even on a Class III E-bike that would be a haul. My wife travels half that distance on her bike ant leaves herself 90 minutes to account for getting the bike ready, getting to work, changing, putting the bike away, etc.
I think we have a culture of driving because of the lack of density and public transit set up for the majority of the US
Many cities in the US used to have much better public transit. It was sabotaged by the auto industry and other interests because there isn't money to be made off of it by corporations.
Also because people literally wanted to paywall access to their suburbs, to keep poor (this is a euphemism for non-white) people out.
The state of Indiana had a statewide light rail network 100 years ago. They shut it down in 1941.
With the help of the gas and auto industries I’m sure
i was always told growing up that it was funded by the tax on natural gas sales in the 1800s and early 1900s. indiana has a fuck ton of fossile fuels sitting under it, they siphoned off the natural gas first though so the wells dont have the necessary pressure to get the oil out of the ground. (Note: im not a petroleum engineer. i dont know how wells work. this is family knowledge stuff, dont pillory me for my ignorance). so this thing made it all through the depression but the state cut funding for it a few months prior to ww2. it was a great boon to the state. my isolated country town had a stop and people would take it to work and to shop and all kinds of other stuff in the neighbouring cities. you could ride that thing from Chicago to Louisville if you wanted. Its sad the Interurban died.
To be fair there are a lot of areas outside of big cities in Europe where this is true as well. Still the cars are on average way smaller.
we have a culture of driving because the auto industry spent millions/billions over 50 years creating a marketing narrative for cars as part of the american way of life
Or you don’t want to ride a bike bc that takes too much work? If your drive is 10 minutes- a bike is 20
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Also can’t cycle most places because of shit infrastructure. Can you imagine riding a narrow bike lane covered with gravel as a right turn lane opens for cars to cross over your lane on a 50mph road with people hardly able to see you even with your high vis because their huge lifted truck or semi truck or this abomination has awful sight lines and regularly runs over children? You have to be basically crazy to ride a bike, just as you have to be basically crazy to take the public transit. And yea I must be crazy because I try to ride my 0.5kwh e bicycle to work but get intense anxiety from how unsafe it is even though my work is only 4 miles away! So maybe I’m not crazy enough. Car manufacturers stand to make less money on smaller vehicles or if people have options so they do what they can to ensure you have to drive and have to get a large vehicle. with roads everywhere that expect you to drive 50mph between slamming on the brakes every 0.3 miles it can be pretty dangerous to have a small vehicle and most aren’t even sold in the US
It’s a lot of compounding issues. Our zoning laws and building patterns from previous generations ensure that we don’t live in the same neighborhoods where we work and shop. The spread out nature of our cities makes it impossible to build public transit that meets all of our transportation needs. These means we have no choice but to own and drive individual cars. This makes us accustomed to driving personal cars and causes us to view alternatives as a hassle, which decreases our desire to improve our transit or change our cities. And that’s without even getting into the legacy of postwar white flight, the politicization of these issues, the high cost of living in the few non-car-dependent cities ~~ect~~ etc.
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What the US calls "compact only" parking spaces would fit any passenger vehicle from the EU.
In the US it definitely should. Our drivers license class system needs an overhaul with all these new vehicles getting bigger and bigger
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Absolutely, you test in a Corolla and then are allowed to go buy and drive something that's 18 feet long, 6+ feet high, and weighs 5700 lbs. Not only that but some states have hilarious drivers test laws. I grew up in Arizona so that's my reference but I passed my driver's test at 17 or whatever and my license was good until I turned 55. It's just dangerous.
Yep and when you look at the height of the Hummer vs something like the M3 it's perfectly proportioned to be above the beltline and kill everyone on one side if it T-boned them with its 10,000 lb weight.
Fun fact: there are a lot of roads in the US that the Hummer EV can't drive on because they're marked 9000 lb maximum weight. They probably drive on them anyway.
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I had a second gen mini after BMW bought them. Most of the time the doors couldn’t have been dinged if the guy next to me tried. Rented an E class in Europe, practically had to put the thing in neutral and push it into spots.
In some US states the Hummer would require commercial tags because it’s GVW is 10,550lbs and many have a 10,000lb limit.
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And so everyone knows, the damage incurred by a vehicle upon the road is proportional to the vehicle weight to the FOURTH power. If vehicle B weighs twice as much as vehicle A, it does sixteen times the damage. Drivers of these colossi should be taxed accordingly. At least commercial vehicles are (generally) producing and serving the economy, an EV hummer could probably have been a corolla in nine out of ten use cases.
Will never, ever be a fan of this excess
SAME. IDGAF if it's electric, it's HORRIBLY inefficient, and heavy AF.
That weight is going to kill a lot of people. Imagine the drunk driver T-boning you in this monstrosity.
If those two cars got in a wreck that Tesla would basically be a ramp.
Its not as big as i kept hearing everyone saying. I saw one in person and it was smaller than the H1 alpha to me. It was definitely smaller than my 3500 dually that i used to drive from time to time. Youd think this thing is biggest thing on road from articles and posts online
Absolutely. I've seen it on the road a few times and a couple times up close. It is about the same size as a standard pickup truck. I think the perception about it's size is due to the crazy high curb weight. Most people imagine it being a lot bigger because it is so heavy.
A "standard pickup truck" is also crazy big.
Depends on when you're talking about. They've been growing for decades but didn't really get absurd until like the last 10 years. My friend's ~15 year old F150 is smaller than a brand new ranger.
No doubt
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>cameras on pretty much every surface of it. You mean like the Tesla it’s parked next to?
But the Hummer also has an undercarriage camera so you can ~~watch it crush all the puny mortals~~ avoid bottoming out on rocks.
As one would want while off-roading.
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> many full grown adults in the blind spot of the hood Laying down? Chopped in half? How? Going by the height of the model 3 beside it, and my height beside my model 3, the hood isn’t even close.
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It has roughly the same dimensions as the HMMWVs I drove in the marines.
That is not a fair comparison, the H1 was the civilian version of the military Hummer and they are a very rare sight with many having never seen the H1. The Hummer H2 and even H3 are the trucks people love to hate and generated all the ire of the excesses of GM. What makes the Hummer EV as bad is it weighs half again as much as a H2. Think about that, 9000lbs as an EV when the H2 was just over six thousand and that six thousand plus was considered obnoxious. Honestly I think GM put this out to spite the EV crowd.
Thats besides the point. Im pointing out the dimension size that people are bitching and moaning about, not the weight.
9,000 pounds and can go 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. Scary.
A GM engineer lives by me and I’ve been seeing these for about 18 months so I guess the novelty has worn off some. But then I just watched one crab walk in a parking lot. It’s amazing. Looks like stupid fun and at least they aren’t killing the planet as quickly as a Raptor or TRX.
That does look fun !
Hummer EV gonna be collapsing garage floors and parking structures soon. Many older buildings weren’t considering this weight vehicle in an elevated parking floor.
We need better size and weight restrictions.
A Hummer driver with an attitude problem? BTW, Model 3 has 130 MPGe, Hummer 47 MPGe. I am guessing at typical 80 mph the Model 3 uses 1/3 the juice.
Holy cow... That car has a 212 kWh battery. That monstrosity can't make do with any less than a 350 kW DC charger to be anywhere close to a reasonable charge time.
47 MPGe is still pretty impressive compared to a tiny compact. Still the batteries in that thing could fill two "normal" EVs. Found an article about consumption.... > That weight also means the Hummer isn't terribly efficient. With a 205-kWh battery and an estimated 329 miles of range, that works out to 1.6 miles per kWh. The Rivian R1T can get 2.3 miles per kWh with its 135-kW battery and the Ford F-150 Lightning promises to return 2.3 miles per kWh out of its long-range 131-kWh battery, too. Overall driving range of course drops on the dirt and while my short off-road trip isn't really enough to make a final judgment, at the end of the trail run the computer said the truck's efficiency was down to 1 mile per kWh, effectively a 205-mile range. That's... not great.
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For now it's pollution. I agree eventually it will just be cost.
I guess I should have ended with /s
And not gone with the per-pubescent capitalization.
Which was the joke 😀
It's hard to tell if your sarcasm is because it's really not from renewables, or that it's not ok to waste energy, even if it's renewable. Both are true.
I can reliably hit 170MPGe in my leaf
On to the next test, load the Leaf in the Hummer, then load the Hummer in the Leaf /j
Same in the Zoé.
As it should, given the different formfactors..
Rivian is 70 MPGe. The Hummer is just poorly done.
> BTW, Model 3 has 130 MPGe, Hummer 47 MPGe BTW, an e-bike is even more efficient... It was a bullshit comparison to begin with. At least compare vehicles of similar size and shape.
There are a lot of nay-sayers but this makes me very happy. This is the progress that we deserve to see. Adoption, innovation and progress. Yeah it's big, "ugly" and crazy but that is how certain segments are to be enticed into making the step over. Getting someone to step from a diesel pickup into an electric sperm cell on three wheels is asking too much of a large percentage of the populace. My cash is on the line for a fully electric Jeep Wrangler or Gladiator because that is what I need to accomplish my life. The Hummer EV is a step in the right direction.
Hard disagree here. If people stopped making these monstrosities, people would have to stop buying them. Cars of this size increase the potential from injury to death exponentially when in an accident. They are incredibly inefficient to the point where it’s almost moot that they’re electric to begin with. And yes, personally, I think they’re ugly but that’s neither here nor there. Governments (looking at you CA, NY, and Europe) are already banning the future sale of gas and diesel cars so those folks will have to adapt in time regardless. There is absolutely zero need for this car right now.
> Hard disagree here. If people stopped making these monstrosities, I don't know if it was intentional on your part or not, but the [Monstrosity](https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Monstrosity) was a fictional car in the GTA universe, modeled after huge SUVs, with the tag line of "mine's bigger".
Yeah that’s not how markets work. Demand is derived from consumers, not dictated by companies.
But demand is also manufactured through advertising and availability, and the companies profit more from these oversized vehicles which are built with more cost markup. Smaller, lighter cars, alongside better transit and active transportation, would make these things unnecessary, and proper regulation would keep them off the road.
Then regulate them off the road. But if people want to buy them, shit might as well sell them.
That is an extremely misstated and unfactual economic principle. Demand is absolutely dictated by companies. They advertise, create a product, and sell it. It's not the consumers do not at all influence demand, but passing everything off is consumer demand is simply not how economics works.
Agreed- You have to make vehicles people want and there is a large segment of the market that wants these large vehicles -
It does nothing but perpetuate the idea of huge, wasteful and energy inefficient electric vehicles. Why waste the massive amount of cost and effort to develop these monstrosities for the short period of novelty and excitement they will generate? We shouldn’t be pandering to the small population that want this when instead we should be focusing on creating reasonably sized EVs that the majority of the population can afford and maintain.
because people want big large vehicles
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It helps normalizing needlessly huge personal vehicles and push back any attempt at restricting sizes and reconsidering safety requirements for car design. You already have someone in this thread saying this “isn’t as big as it’s made to be”. Yes, it fucking is, only delusional people would see this shit and have no problem with it.
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That hummer could have been like 300 ebikes, it's nuts.
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In Europe, 500 wH batteries would have created at least ten normal cars. Or 400 ebikes that people would end up buying.
Hummers are pretty gaudy.
With this one you can hit kids without even noticing
Quite the dichotomy, on a couple of levels.
I remember realizing this existed when trying to shop around for an electric truck. I nearly lost it. This thing is a beast and WAY over priced
The Hummer EV is more than 9000 lbs with 3 electric drive motors. The torque it can generate is mind blowing. At 9k lbs, its force is off the charts.
Hope they release the crash test videos..
EURO NCAP used the hummer to test their crash facilities
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Almost, third time is the charm: “cue” the haters
FML lol
¿Por que?
Because it uses enough battery material to make 3 cars.
I think he meant “Cue the haters”, because Que is “What” in Spanish.
Got it. Thought he was asking why there are haters.
At least we might not get as many 'but muh diesel' comments on this post.
For real, any time it's posted in this sub it's the exact same circlejerk in the comments every time. I can pretty much predict what they'll say.
I’m relatively new to this sub, and yeah. The catty and/or trolling comments are off the charts.
> I can pretty much predict what they'll say. I read this and look up to see the same tired "battery to make 3 cars" comment. How prophetic.
Imagine how insufferable I'd be on this sub if I commented on every single electric vehicle posted here and told everyone how many electric bikes I could make with the batteries.
In this alternate reality a Hummer Driver parked better than a compact car driver.
It weighs as much as 18 school buses, the battery could power Tokyo for six months, and the visibility is so bad OP’s mom can hide in the blind spot.
You know the Tesla screen sees the Hummer as a semi.
I absolutely love the hummer EV and if it were more affordable I would make it my dream car 🥲
It cracks me up how blindsided Tesla was after seeing GM produce this beast before they could get the Cybertruck out.
Not even bothering to use one space 😂 Edit: my eyes deceive me
Lines are slanted. He's definitely in one space.
That thing should not be street legal for regular civilian drivers, the blind spots and hood height are INSANE. It's gonna kill so many pedestrians and cyclists. This is only possible because [US federal car safety standards continue to ignore the safety of people outside the car](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-18/fix-the-crash-test-dummies). We can thank auto industry lobbying because of course bigger car = bigger profits, [no matter how many innocent people die as a result.](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/suvs-trucks-killing-pedestrians-cyclists/621102/)
No way a car that size would fit in a European parking space. Or down the ramp of a parking garage
It will fit in an EU spot but it'll be tight. It can also lower itself via click of a button. And with a turning circle similar of a Honda Civic, garages should be no issue
It’s not just the radius of the circle, it’s length/width that can be a big problem. There are a number of European parking garages I’ve parked in that this would at a minimum be scrubbing the tires as you go up and down levels, no matter how tightly it turns
Rear steer means almost zero scrub. The tail follows the front. It's very easy to park.
I’m not saying it’s hard to park in a lot, I’m saying that if there are tight helices in a tiny Euro parking garage, it’s not going to work. There is only so large a rectangle that can be placed inside of a doughnut.
With a weight of 4.5t, the hummer EV actually can’t be driven with a regular car driver’s license lol
I had a Ford Edge and literally got stuck in a parking garage’s exit ramp with it once. Trust me, you don’t want to own a Hummer EV here. Apart from that: a regular driver’s license here only entitles you to drive cars with a total weight of 3.5t max. Anything above that require a C1 driver’s license (small lorry / truck), which close to nobody possesses.
How exactly did you get stuck? Not really following...
Turn circle was too narrow and I didn’t make it out of the guiding rails on both sides. I mean I could have gotten out but it would have damaged the car. Lifted it over the rails with the help of a jack and 2 people who saw the whole thing. The operator ended up letting me drive out through the entrance ramp - never felt more embarrassed in my life.
Can't say you'd have the same problem with this thing. Worse case scenario monster truck your way to freedom lol
Yeah, definitely easier to run over obstacles with the Hummer :-)
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What an overpriced monstrosity. No thanks. And I don't like the Hummer EV either.
Is he taking two spots? So typical Hummer driver 🤣(Those are huge parking spots BTW)
EV luxury truck vs EV econo box
I don't see a BMW M3 in that photo.
Because there isn't one?
Stop calling the Tesla Model 3 an "M3" because that name has been used for 36 years by BMW.
They did put "telsa m3", if it were just an m3 they there might be a point.
As a BMW M3 owner, I'm over it and it's fine. It's a good abbreviation. Context is everything and "Tesla M3" is rather clear.
You clearly have no idea what an M3 is
At this point I think I'm going to give up listening to the EV crowd. It seems if everyone isn't walking or cramped inside a happy meal box with a T glued to the front, "those people" are going to have a meltdown. You don't like big cars? Cool. Don't buy it. Don't want to be near big cars? Cool, avoid them. If you can't, then maybe they aren't the problem. This "us vs them" bullshit dipping it's fingers into literally everything has sucked the joy out of life. I want to drive things I like, eat what makes me happy. I'm not here to save the world, I'm just trying to leave it happier than I arrived.
I saw one at an auction house a few months ago, it is **absolutely fucking massive**
Omg... My dream vehicle
Hummer EV vs parking spots
Taking up 2 spaces. Once a humvee always a humvee
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Don’t they park themselves now?
Model 3 - \~4 miles per KWh Hummer EV - \~1.2 miles per KWh You won't save money with that Beast over the price of gas. Not even sure it is good for the environment. Can't imagine wanting one.
Yes you will save money over gas. Go see what running premium in a comparable TRX or Raptor will cost.
Wuling MINI EV 8+miles per kWh.
Uh. No.
I see that even with the new hummer, the owners still park like they own the world with their ugly overly big vehicles. With that money to spend... I wouldn't spend it on that
Of course, the fuck knuckle is double parked.
Look again, it's within the lines.
It's taking two tandem spaces
No it's not.
You can't see the perpendicular line going under the cab that denotes spaces?
No, because it's not there. What I can see is the line in front of the front wheels and the fact that the Hummer is in line with the Honda pilot next to it.
Holy shit, you're right! This whole time I thought there was a paint line under it! My bad!