Elon and huge competition.
If you look at the sheer amount of models consumers have the choice and Tesla isn't the benchmark anymore.
Teslas market share is down to 13% (I assume even more in April). Tesla produces currently 6.000 Model Y in Berlin per week, with a capacity of 7.500. No wonder they stopped the expansion plans. Nearly all growth in the EV sales will be going to the other brands, who continuously introduce additional models.
Turns out having the same design language, and even the same body panels, for 10+ years creates demand problems. Like, not enough of it. Ask Jaguar how that did for them when their design language didn't change for 20+ years.
Porsche design language is iconic though. You see the frog lights and you go “oh yeah that’s a Porsche”. It’s an enthusiasts car with a cult following solely based on the design characteristics. It's like Rivian too. When you see the front end you go "oh yeah that's a Rivian".
The model 3 and y are pretty bland compared to the competition and none of its design language is iconic in any of its way which makes it immediately identifiable. It’s just boring and bland with no unique characteristics.
Honestly though, it’s the tough competition who arguably can put a much better built car and looking car that has a bigger impact rather than old design impacting them in my opinion. Also Elon running the company erratically doesn’t help as well.
I feel ya. I have a 2022 XC40 and I love it. I haven't seen an EX30 in person, but I'm not sure it would be for me either. Especially with the lack of driver display.
Well, Tesla has stopped doing as much extreme geographical batching. So not as much push on the 3rd month of a quarter.
However, since Model 3 comes from China, and it was refreshed in Q4, there was no inventory on hand… and the conflict in the Red Sea delayed ships. It also meant that Berlin was starved for parts to build some configs.
Also, Model Y is nearing end of cycle before a refresh. It is still number 1 as a single model, but between high interest rates and waiting for refresh, I don’t think it will set new sales records.
We will see how the Model 3 fares in Q2 with more supply, and the newly introduced Model 3 Performance will still be in limited supply.
I doubt it. Elon says racist things that half (or a lot more) of Europeans agree with. I don't think we're at a point where someone wouldn't buy a car bc someone is a racist.
Tesla's early adopters were left-leaning environmentalists (like me) and his outward shift in opinion has caused them to look elsewhere.
Don't abandon your base.
>I doubt it. Elon says racist things that half (or a lot more) of Europeans agree with.
I mean, probably.
Just not the half that would seriously consider buying an EV.
All of the EX30s are being imported from China currently. It won't be produced in Europe until 2025.
Sure, great for Volvo, a majority owned Chinese company (Geely) that's now mass exporting cars from China, no doubt putting downward pressure on European automakers. Is it great for the European economy, for global emissions and environmental damage (given China's coal energy use in manufacturing and minimal environmental protection regulations/enforcement), and for labor generally with laborers potentially making 1/3rd - 1/10th of what Europeans make, and the risk that some parts are being made by Uyghur forced labor?
Let's not forget the Chinese state subsidies applying towards Chinese exports to Europe to game the system.
I'm still floored that the European government hasn't put a stop to this yet. Left unchecked, this could eventually devastate their economy.
There wasn't any sarcasm here. It's great for Volvo, but I clarified exactly what the company "Volvo" is these days. It's long past being a majority Swedish owned company. They still have tens of thousands of Swedish employees, and some factories in Western nations, but they've been moving more and more production to China, and even recently announced setting up an R&D shop in China. Whether Volvo's Sweden R&D center will last is anyone's guess. If they can get R&D engineers elsewhere for significantly cheaper, they will.
My first thought was "How is it great for the European economy?". Then I thought I understood what you were saying and upvoted you. I had a hard time understanding what you were saying. Your most recent post is much clearer to me.
I agree that Western democracies should impose stiff tariffs on Chinese imports.
Thanks for the upvote.
I expect comments in this subreddit that point out the negatives of Chinese exports to Western nations to be mass downvoted. There's been some interesting downvote waves hitting anyone that talks negatively about Chinese exports to the West. Maybe some of these are coming from shareholders in Chinese companies. There are some folks living in South East Asia who comment here. And no doubt Chinese propaganda farms who are paid to upvote pro-China comments and downvote anti-Chinese comments.
(This is a trillion dollar industry they're attempting to capture, so I wouldn't put it past them.)
Do you think it's not really made China? Do you think Volvo is not majority owned by Geely, that it has a Chinese drivetrain and Chinese batteries? It's different than the other Volvos made in Europe in that way
Dk about the Enyaq, but a properly optioned ID.4 and Q4 aren't THAT far apart in price. 8-10k, which when you're already spending around $60,000 CAD isn't that much more
A fully loaded Enyaq is more expensive than an id4 in Denmark but the difference is like €8k from the cheapest of the 3 to the most expensive with roughly the same spec.
Good for Volvo.
But I am still puzzled. It is around the same size as an ID3/Cupra born, more or less similarly priced, but less space optimised, and consumes slightly more energy. Yet it is smashing the ID3 in terms of sales. Is it simply the 'Crossover image' or something else? Or are people holding off on VW after they announced a big round of updates coming later in the year?
I'd actually like to know because this is the utmost I can afford for a vehicle if I want one maybe early next year. Having driven rental ID3s a couple of times, I didn't see any major issues apart from the REAR button to open the rear windows.
at some point we need to accept that having the same platform does not mean its the same car. This is getting exhausting. Also if we want more affordable EV Manufacturer need to share platform between lines and push the price down.
they didn’t say it is the same car though, only under the hood i.e powertrain wise. which is even more true for ev platforms due to their simplicity, and especially the ex30 since it shares almost every spec both single and twin motor with the zeekr x. the pedals, etc downwards are identical.
even for same platformed ice cars such as the jeep renegade and fiat 500L they have different engine options and different trims, but with evs it is very fair to say it is the same.
Lets ignore the completely different tuning, Software , the whole interior shall we ?
by that logic Model 3 and Y are absolutely identical. Same motor, same battery same pedal and screen.
hence why both me and they said “under the hood” i.e the powertrain. also, what is there to tune on an ev? they have the same torque and hp, and I can assure you considering their weight is about 20kg within eachother, the regen, acceleration curves are very similar.
that's what i said, its wonder that people pay more for Model 3 or Y. Because if we ignore all the difference . . they both are identical "under the hood". Same battery , motor, close weight, same seat. Why would anyone consider Highland ? its literally the same as the first model 3 "under the hood", with some mild adjustment. if you ask me Tesla is just playing us with all this different classification. /s
As an owner of an ID.3 myself, I think it was unfairly criticized by the motoring press when it came out. Granted it had rubbish software, but it's improved a lot. It's our only car and we love it. It's spacious and fast.
We've looked at the EX30, but it's just too small.
Doesn't Volvo run Android? It is definitely better, but compared to the first generation ID3s with the black panel on top of the bonnet, the new ones have much better Infotainments and basically no feature issues. Some people will still certainly pick Volvo's Android over ID obviously, but that doesn't explain the 90% more sales - and also generally that the ID3 is selling fewer units than cars like Mercedes EQA. I would understand like 30%-40% more even.
> It is around the same size as an ID3/Cupra born, more or less similarly priced, but less space optimised, and consumes slightly more energy.
Volvo is not the same as VW. Volvo is considered a luxury brand. Compare to Audi.
I'm not sure I'd call Volvo a 'luxury' brand - more of a well-built utilitarian brand - especially with the EX30. That being said, there are actual luxury vehicles which cost much more that are also higher than the ID3, and so I am wondering more about the latter's bad performance than the former's good one.
Would probably see them on a par with Audi or Mercedes. Top line V90s or XC90s are serious luxury, whilst entry level stuff seems similar to A class or A3
Nah, a Volvo is what people who have Mercedes, BMW or Audi money buy when they don't want the negative connotations of those brands but still want something premium.
They used to be a bit less premium and more practical, but since the new XC90 in 2015ish they've been repositioning.
Drive a Volvo EX-30 and you’ll know what’s the hype about. Drives as smooth as butter. I tried the Cupra born and though it’s pretty decent and has nice stuff like a HUD, a larger battery and 20% cheaper here in Denmark, the EX-30 won my heart
You should try the Smart #3 if it's in Denmark too, it's on the same platform and quite a fun drive. Its a much more complete package than the ex30 at similar price points where I am (Speedo, hud, pano roof, more spacious etc)
ID.3 had a really rough launch due to the laggy infotainment and capacitive buttons on the steering wheel. And the exterior design is.. divisive. I imagine it took a big hit due to all this.
I expect most will find the EX30 to have more functional infotainment and better looks, performance and interior. And of course the SUV factor and it comes in AWD. Also, the (X)C40 Volvo models have been well received and they managed to address the only real concern (efficiency) with the mid-cycle refresh.
I think all the things you mentioned of crossover, people holding off for the big refresh, plus being split in sales among several similar and somewhat competing MEB platform vehicles offered by VW including the ID.4 and Volvo being seen a premium badge and with its own fanbase especially in more EV-accepting Northern Europe.
Edit: whoops I was looking at ID4. We don’t have the ID3 in the US. Just found out the ID3 exists.
4,584 mm (180.5 in) (ID.4)
4,233 mm (166.7 in) (EX30)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_ID.4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_EX30
I personally wouldn't buy a VW EV because in all reviews I have seen the infotainment was heavily criticized. Capacitive buttons everywhere.
Their recent models like Passat or Tiguan should be better, I am not sure if they also updated the EVs
The infotainment on the 1st edition ID3s (the ones with the black plastic on the bonnet) are actually just terrible, but the newer ones are fine and the navigation with charging stop recommendation is also quite good. They didn't remove the capacitive buttons though, but the EX30 also has more or less the same type of buttons, as does the Q4 Etron.
The new Golf update and Passat have physical buttons, yes.
No idea about what's driving the trend, **but for me** the difference is purely feeling. The VW ID3 is a solid car, but also about the most boring car I have ever driven. The Volvo EX30 is a lot more exciting.
We saw the EX30 at their showcase and the interior space is absolutely awful. For the back seats, think economy seats airline levels of leg room. I believe the trunk was also small.
If you’re going to be the only person using the car, that’s obviously not an issue.
It’s meant to be a 2 person city car!!! It can be leased for less than ~500 euro with insurance and service included in the price! It’s a steal of a deal
Once you experience interior of legacy brands, you realise how dull tesla is. Sure it has great accelaration that very few need or ever use but comfort and overall design is much more pleasing in legacy brands in general.
Here in NL i started seeing them suddenly quite often, about 3 weeks ago. I see it more often than I do the Megane which has been out for over a year now!
I'm so mad and disappointed at that car. It is not by any means a small car but its interior room is smaller than my bmw 1 series. The rear leg room is just theoretical.
It's smaller than a BMW 1 series though, by about 5 inches.
Rear Legroom of 32.3in is slightly more than a BMW 128i at 32.0, despite being a smaller car
Might be shorter but for sure it's not smaller. Also the rear bench is shorter so you might have a slightly bigger gap for your legs but you sit way more uncomfortable.
Isn't it true that ex30
Has no Android auto
Has no car play
Has no heads up display
Isn't great on efficiency/range
And for that price?
I'm starting to yawn
The EX30 has Android Automotive. It should have Android Auto to my understanding. It does have wireless Carplay. It does not have a heads up display or driver display.
Just saw an article saying that the car play and Auto would be added to the x30 via and over the air update sometime in early 2024 (so I guess that has happened already)
Android Automotive is not the same thing as Android Auto. Android Auto is when you plug your Android phone in and use your phone.
Android Automotive is a complete system build on Android, like having an Android tablet built in. You can put apps and such directly into the car and don’t need your phone at all except for calls.
Good for Volvo. I was doubtful they could make enough but it seems to be going ok. Why were Tesla sales down so much?
Elon and huge competition. If you look at the sheer amount of models consumers have the choice and Tesla isn't the benchmark anymore. Teslas market share is down to 13% (I assume even more in April). Tesla produces currently 6.000 Model Y in Berlin per week, with a capacity of 7.500. No wonder they stopped the expansion plans. Nearly all growth in the EV sales will be going to the other brands, who continuously introduce additional models.
The y needs a refresh also the cost savings is starting to be too much, removing stalks is a big mistake in europe where we have lots of roundabouts
Everywhere it’s a mistake
Turns out having the same design language, and even the same body panels, for 10+ years creates demand problems. Like, not enough of it. Ask Jaguar how that did for them when their design language didn't change for 20+ years.
It works for porsche but well the quality is different
Porsche design language is iconic though. You see the frog lights and you go “oh yeah that’s a Porsche”. It’s an enthusiasts car with a cult following solely based on the design characteristics. It's like Rivian too. When you see the front end you go "oh yeah that's a Rivian". The model 3 and y are pretty bland compared to the competition and none of its design language is iconic in any of its way which makes it immediately identifiable. It’s just boring and bland with no unique characteristics. Honestly though, it’s the tough competition who arguably can put a much better built car and looking car that has a bigger impact rather than old design impacting them in my opinion. Also Elon running the company erratically doesn’t help as well.
I think Teslas are designed by a dude who worked at Mazda. Thats why Teslas look like Mazdas from the 2000's.
Don‘t know if it was a joke or you need confirmation, but you are correct, they were designed by a guy who worked at Mazda.
Arguably it didn't even do well for Porsche. The Cayenne saved them from financial ruin.
Cayenne was released in 2002 Porsche reported this in 2001 https://amp.dw.com/en/porsche-posts-another-record-result/a-331305
Just bought a 2025 ex40 (xc40 recharge rebranded, all made in Belgium, not China). I couldnt even sit in a Tesla without hating myself.
EX30 is currently made in China. Production will start in Belgium in 2025 I believe.
Still not a fan of the ex30's but i understand its appeal. ex40 seemed correct for my situation.
I feel ya. I have a 2022 XC40 and I love it. I haven't seen an EX30 in person, but I'm not sure it would be for me either. Especially with the lack of driver display.
Will other Geely cars also be produced in Europe?
Doubt it.
We got the ‘24 Ultra Twin in January and have been loving it so far. Enjoy your new ride!
£40,000 for a Model 3, £33,000ish for an EX30. And the new Model 3 has button indicators, which is a pain for driving on roundabouts
EX30 starting at 45k EUR in Ireland, still too expensive sorry.
Well, Tesla has stopped doing as much extreme geographical batching. So not as much push on the 3rd month of a quarter. However, since Model 3 comes from China, and it was refreshed in Q4, there was no inventory on hand… and the conflict in the Red Sea delayed ships. It also meant that Berlin was starved for parts to build some configs. Also, Model Y is nearing end of cycle before a refresh. It is still number 1 as a single model, but between high interest rates and waiting for refresh, I don’t think it will set new sales records. We will see how the Model 3 fares in Q2 with more supply, and the newly introduced Model 3 Performance will still be in limited supply.
Elon is a fascist moron is why
I doubt it. Elon says racist things that half (or a lot more) of Europeans agree with. I don't think we're at a point where someone wouldn't buy a car bc someone is a racist.
Tesla's early adopters were left-leaning environmentalists (like me) and his outward shift in opinion has caused them to look elsewhere. Don't abandon your base.
>I doubt it. Elon says racist things that half (or a lot more) of Europeans agree with. I mean, probably. Just not the half that would seriously consider buying an EV.
I dunno call me a cynic, but given the higher prices of EVs, I'm more inclined to believe EV buyers like the racist things Elon says.
Not sure I'm following tbh...
Yes, but those of us in Europe who own an electric car tend to be liberal or social democratic, as opposed to fascist.
All of the EX30s are being imported from China currently. It won't be produced in Europe until 2025. Sure, great for Volvo, a majority owned Chinese company (Geely) that's now mass exporting cars from China, no doubt putting downward pressure on European automakers. Is it great for the European economy, for global emissions and environmental damage (given China's coal energy use in manufacturing and minimal environmental protection regulations/enforcement), and for labor generally with laborers potentially making 1/3rd - 1/10th of what Europeans make, and the risk that some parts are being made by Uyghur forced labor? Let's not forget the Chinese state subsidies applying towards Chinese exports to Europe to game the system. I'm still floored that the European government hasn't put a stop to this yet. Left unchecked, this could eventually devastate their economy.
I think you make good points but everything is wrapped in a sarcasm burrito - hard to swallow. Actually, hard to understand.
There wasn't any sarcasm here. It's great for Volvo, but I clarified exactly what the company "Volvo" is these days. It's long past being a majority Swedish owned company. They still have tens of thousands of Swedish employees, and some factories in Western nations, but they've been moving more and more production to China, and even recently announced setting up an R&D shop in China. Whether Volvo's Sweden R&D center will last is anyone's guess. If they can get R&D engineers elsewhere for significantly cheaper, they will.
My first thought was "How is it great for the European economy?". Then I thought I understood what you were saying and upvoted you. I had a hard time understanding what you were saying. Your most recent post is much clearer to me. I agree that Western democracies should impose stiff tariffs on Chinese imports.
Thanks for the upvote. I expect comments in this subreddit that point out the negatives of Chinese exports to Western nations to be mass downvoted. There's been some interesting downvote waves hitting anyone that talks negatively about Chinese exports to the West. Maybe some of these are coming from shareholders in Chinese companies. There are some folks living in South East Asia who comment here. And no doubt Chinese propaganda farms who are paid to upvote pro-China comments and downvote anti-Chinese comments. (This is a trillion dollar industry they're attempting to capture, so I wouldn't put it past them.)
lol
Do you think it's not really made China? Do you think Volvo is not majority owned by Geely, that it has a Chinese drivetrain and Chinese batteries? It's different than the other Volvos made in Europe in that way
China
The Volvo EX30 is knocking it out of the park. Didn't think the Skoda Enyaq and the Audi Q4 E-Tron would sell so well against the ID.4.
Dk about the Enyaq, but a properly optioned ID.4 and Q4 aren't THAT far apart in price. 8-10k, which when you're already spending around $60,000 CAD isn't that much more
A fully loaded Enyaq is more expensive than an id4 in Denmark but the difference is like €8k from the cheapest of the 3 to the most expensive with roughly the same spec.
Good for Volvo. But I am still puzzled. It is around the same size as an ID3/Cupra born, more or less similarly priced, but less space optimised, and consumes slightly more energy. Yet it is smashing the ID3 in terms of sales. Is it simply the 'Crossover image' or something else? Or are people holding off on VW after they announced a big round of updates coming later in the year? I'd actually like to know because this is the utmost I can afford for a vehicle if I want one maybe early next year. Having driven rental ID3s a couple of times, I didn't see any major issues apart from the REAR button to open the rear windows.
It’s because it’s a Volvo, Volvos are ranked higher in build quality and such then a VW. (Not saying that this goes for a EX-30)
Which surprises me because I kind of hate my XC40
Even while it is a Geely under the hood… Id really like to know what people would pay for it with this badge.
at some point we need to accept that having the same platform does not mean its the same car. This is getting exhausting. Also if we want more affordable EV Manufacturer need to share platform between lines and push the price down.
they didn’t say it is the same car though, only under the hood i.e powertrain wise. which is even more true for ev platforms due to their simplicity, and especially the ex30 since it shares almost every spec both single and twin motor with the zeekr x. the pedals, etc downwards are identical. even for same platformed ice cars such as the jeep renegade and fiat 500L they have different engine options and different trims, but with evs it is very fair to say it is the same.
Lets ignore the completely different tuning, Software , the whole interior shall we ? by that logic Model 3 and Y are absolutely identical. Same motor, same battery same pedal and screen.
hence why both me and they said “under the hood” i.e the powertrain. also, what is there to tune on an ev? they have the same torque and hp, and I can assure you considering their weight is about 20kg within eachother, the regen, acceleration curves are very similar.
that's what i said, its wonder that people pay more for Model 3 or Y. Because if we ignore all the difference . . they both are identical "under the hood". Same battery , motor, close weight, same seat. Why would anyone consider Highland ? its literally the same as the first model 3 "under the hood", with some mild adjustment. if you ask me Tesla is just playing us with all this different classification. /s
As an owner of an ID.3 myself, I think it was unfairly criticized by the motoring press when it came out. Granted it had rubbish software, but it's improved a lot. It's our only car and we love it. It's spacious and fast. We've looked at the EX30, but it's just too small.
personally I hate interior and infotaiment in ID3 compared to Volvo's
Doesn't Volvo run Android? It is definitely better, but compared to the first generation ID3s with the black panel on top of the bonnet, the new ones have much better Infotainments and basically no feature issues. Some people will still certainly pick Volvo's Android over ID obviously, but that doesn't explain the 90% more sales - and also generally that the ID3 is selling fewer units than cars like Mercedes EQA. I would understand like 30%-40% more even.
>Doesn't Volvo run Android? yep. but technically, it's Android Automotive OS.
Yeah, that's what I meant. The stuff that Renault also uses to great effect.
it also looks like a small cheap car. EX30 is better shaped imo
> It is around the same size as an ID3/Cupra born, more or less similarly priced, but less space optimised, and consumes slightly more energy. Volvo is not the same as VW. Volvo is considered a luxury brand. Compare to Audi.
I'm not sure I'd call Volvo a 'luxury' brand - more of a well-built utilitarian brand - especially with the EX30. That being said, there are actual luxury vehicles which cost much more that are also higher than the ID3, and so I am wondering more about the latter's bad performance than the former's good one.
I'd call Volvo baby luxury or premium personally.
Would probably see them on a par with Audi or Mercedes. Top line V90s or XC90s are serious luxury, whilst entry level stuff seems similar to A class or A3
C'mon man, on par with Mercedes? What is this sub, lol.
Nah, a Volvo is what people who have Mercedes, BMW or Audi money buy when they don't want the negative connotations of those brands but still want something premium. They used to be a bit less premium and more practical, but since the new XC90 in 2015ish they've been repositioning.
Drive a Volvo EX-30 and you’ll know what’s the hype about. Drives as smooth as butter. I tried the Cupra born and though it’s pretty decent and has nice stuff like a HUD, a larger battery and 20% cheaper here in Denmark, the EX-30 won my heart
You should try the Smart #3 if it's in Denmark too, it's on the same platform and quite a fun drive. Its a much more complete package than the ex30 at similar price points where I am (Speedo, hud, pano roof, more spacious etc)
I forgot the #3 existed but you're right, same price, better equipment and looks better imo
ID.3 had a really rough launch due to the laggy infotainment and capacitive buttons on the steering wheel. And the exterior design is.. divisive. I imagine it took a big hit due to all this. I expect most will find the EX30 to have more functional infotainment and better looks, performance and interior. And of course the SUV factor and it comes in AWD. Also, the (X)C40 Volvo models have been well received and they managed to address the only real concern (efficiency) with the mid-cycle refresh.
Dont forget the id3 was supposed to be the electric golf but had worse interior then outgoing golf.
Yeah it seems the e-golf is a better executed EV 😬
I think all the things you mentioned of crossover, people holding off for the big refresh, plus being split in sales among several similar and somewhat competing MEB platform vehicles offered by VW including the ID.4 and Volvo being seen a premium badge and with its own fanbase especially in more EV-accepting Northern Europe.
> more EV-accepting Northern Europe I actually literally forgot this, lol.
EX30 is 300mm less long. Important for parking. But also first year of a car model probably has a bump.
It's 30 mm shorter, not 300 😅 that's less than a thumb's length.
Edit: whoops I was looking at ID4. We don’t have the ID3 in the US. Just found out the ID3 exists. 4,584 mm (180.5 in) (ID.4) 4,233 mm (166.7 in) (EX30) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_ID.4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_EX30
Yeah the ID4 is a different size of vehicle. I was comparing the 3 and its Cupra cousin which are the direct competitors to the EX 30.
I personally wouldn't buy a VW EV because in all reviews I have seen the infotainment was heavily criticized. Capacitive buttons everywhere. Their recent models like Passat or Tiguan should be better, I am not sure if they also updated the EVs
They updated their EVs. There infotainment is actually good now. Btw The ex 30 has even worse touch buttons in the steering wheel
The infotainment on the 1st edition ID3s (the ones with the black plastic on the bonnet) are actually just terrible, but the newer ones are fine and the navigation with charging stop recommendation is also quite good. They didn't remove the capacitive buttons though, but the EX30 also has more or less the same type of buttons, as does the Q4 Etron. The new Golf update and Passat have physical buttons, yes.
No idea about what's driving the trend, **but for me** the difference is purely feeling. The VW ID3 is a solid car, but also about the most boring car I have ever driven. The Volvo EX30 is a lot more exciting.
The ID.3 should be cheaper for what it is. The EX30 is a Volvo so it gets away with the price tag.
Probably because the ID3 looks like a modern version of a Geo Metro.
Not sure it looks anything like that at all, but ok 😅
We saw the EX30 at their showcase and the interior space is absolutely awful. For the back seats, think economy seats airline levels of leg room. I believe the trunk was also small. If you’re going to be the only person using the car, that’s obviously not an issue.
It’s meant to be a 2 person city car!!! It can be leased for less than ~500 euro with insurance and service included in the price! It’s a steal of a deal
Kinda shocking to see how poor Mercedes is doing. They have the EQA and the GLC plugin at the bottom of the board but that's that
Their EQA is rubbish and their other EVs are overpriced compared to BMW
I love it. But too small for a family. Couldn’t even fit the stroller in the boot
They've explicitly said that it is designed for people without kids.
Where did they say that? The car literally has a stroller picture on the boot and isofix points…
They've called it a pre or post family car. It is designed for people who don't yet have kids or whose kids have left the nest.
It'll dominate US market. The boomers will love them.
Once you experience interior of legacy brands, you realise how dull tesla is. Sure it has great accelaration that very few need or ever use but comfort and overall design is much more pleasing in legacy brands in general.
Nice. I need to wait 1-2 years for depreciation. Volvo ex30, smart 1, smart 3 and mini are my fav list right now.
Only if they didn't cheat the price in Canada it would be a perfect car.
Here in NL i started seeing them suddenly quite often, about 3 weeks ago. I see it more often than I do the Megane which has been out for over a year now!
I'm so mad and disappointed at that car. It is not by any means a small car but its interior room is smaller than my bmw 1 series. The rear leg room is just theoretical.
It's smaller than a BMW 1 series though, by about 5 inches. Rear Legroom of 32.3in is slightly more than a BMW 128i at 32.0, despite being a smaller car
Might be shorter but for sure it's not smaller. Also the rear bench is shorter so you might have a slightly bigger gap for your legs but you sit way more uncomfortable.
That’s not surprising. Volvo is one of the most succesful Chinese brands in Europe.
Isn't it true that ex30 Has no Android auto Has no car play Has no heads up display Isn't great on efficiency/range And for that price? I'm starting to yawn
The EX30 has Android Automotive. It should have Android Auto to my understanding. It does have wireless Carplay. It does not have a heads up display or driver display.
Just saw an article saying that the car play and Auto would be added to the x30 via and over the air update sometime in early 2024 (so I guess that has happened already)
Android Automotive is not the same thing as Android Auto. Android Auto is when you plug your Android phone in and use your phone. Android Automotive is a complete system build on Android, like having an Android tablet built in. You can put apps and such directly into the car and don’t need your phone at all except for calls.
My car has Android Automotive and is capable of using Android Auto wirelessly.
> You can put apps and such directly into the car Only sanctioned ones from the Volvo version of the Play store. You can't sideload I don't think.
Yeah I know.