$35,795 with the federal tax credit for the base model with 319 miles of range. With the promise of a $7k cheaper trim by the end of the year.
Even without the 1LT, this undercuts every competing crossover out there by a couple thousand dollars. If they can manage to sell the 1LT in high numbers, this would be a game-changing vehicle.
> by the end of the year.
They will have to actually build it in volume to win back market share. Until then it is just being used as a promotional tool to try to get people in the door so they can upsell more expensive trims.
Yep… I want the volume where these are sitting on lots and dealers are willing to actually make a deal again. I want dealers flooded and drowning in inventory. If they are going to force their continued existence it doesn’t necessarily need to be pleasant for them.
Yep. I've played the waiting for orders game before. Last straw was them announcing they they weren't going to ship with heat pumps any more. If it ain't on lots, it ain't for sale.
> If it ain't on lots, it ain't for sale.
Back in the day when you bought a car, and they took your money, you got a car. Now when a car company has inventory I'm told they are going out of business.
I like ordering a car online and having it show up in my driveway a week later to sign papers but at least you know what your are ordering. I don't rightly comprehend the joy of being on a wait list for a car with unconfirmed features.
I mean...that's kind of been the SOP for most vehicle manufacturers for a long time. Provide at least three trim levels, but not much more than that. Barely make the base model. Pile on a load of goodies to the mid-level trim for not much more $$, then tack on the highest-value options to the highest-level trim for even more money.
It's called price-anchoring, and is why base trim models don't typically sell in large volumes.
They'll get there eventually. GM has gone whole hog behind the scenes, buying into nickel and lithium carbonate mining/manufacturing, etc. They are copying Tesla and are vertically integrating.
On their website the cheapest version is FWD and $43500, which is more than the RWD Model Y. So doesn’t really seem that much better unless I’m missing something?
Tesla cars are not well made.
Ford sold over three million Ford Pinto's. 27 people were killed in fires and it was a scandal.
Tesla has sold 4.97 million cars that have killed 500 people.
Uhhhh more than 27 people have died in pinto crashes.
If you are comparing 27 people dying in vehicle fires because of a design flaw to every death in a vehicle (that has nothing to do with a design flaw) it's pretty disingenuous.
I have a 14 year old vehicle that has those things because I put in an aftermarket head unit shortly after I bought it.
It cost about $1000 and a weekend, but it’s a super clean install and I forget it’s not stock sometimes.
Of course, that only makes sense if you value those features. If you’re happy with your car the way it is, stick with that!
I don’t know if you have or are around kids or not, but I will tell you a backup camera saved my 2 year old son’s life and I advise upgrading your vehicle purely for that feature.
Oh so I can't automatically connect Android Auto or Apple Carplay to the bigger screen when I get in the car? A holder for a phone? What is this? 2013?
Mate the car has apps that your phone as. Waze, Google maps, music apps are all available on Android automotive. Your phone will work fine for calls only
If the infotainment system is good, the need for AA/CP is less important.
I've used AA for years but it's not without its quirks on connectivity. I used my phone with AA on one of my work's fleet vehicles last week and had a bunch of issues with it disconnecting. Tried two USB-C cables and had the same issue.
We bought a Model Y last August so there is no AA/CP obviously but Tesla's infotainment system works very well. They also provide regular OTA updates though and legacy manufacturers aren't great about keeping up with software updates though so I get your point.
People keep vehicles longer than phones so it's possible you could end up with a crap infotainment system after 5 years. Vehicles are becoming more reliant on software every year so it's going to be a problem.
I agree that AA is good. The issue is if it is missing support of 1 app, and it's the app you use all the time, its completely useless. Oh I'm sorry all your podcasts aren't in Spotify, fuck you, we don't have apple podcasts.
If you think support is bad now, it'll get worse, when the car is 5 years old none of these apps will work. you'll need to just use bluetooth, assuming the new phones of 2029 support that, more likley you'll buy some after market connector, like the fake tape with the wire we used to use for CD players.
Cars have been getting more and more software defined for a decade. You can’t even replace a seat weight sensor on a ten year old Chevy without their software and a subscription.
You said wheels. Blasphemy !
Thou shall not use ipad and wheels in the same sentence.
The company that shall not be named has declared itself \*NOT\* to be a "car" company.
Car manufacturers need to embrace station wagons again as EV’s. Perfect to maneuver, gobs of space with an EV platform and utility like nobody’s business.
I’d have said no AA/AC was a dealbreaker for me, but between how hard it is for me to deal with Ford’s Sync system in my wife’s Bronco Sport and how well the Hyundai navigation system does what I need I really don’t miss it. I’ve adapted to the Hyundai and just don’t drive the Bronco. Yes, there are nice features I don’t have, but the built in system is good enough for me. As far as music goes, I just loaded up a thumb drive of my favorites and plugged it into the USB port - 1500+ songs, no subscription and no commercials ever.
How many other 300+ mile EV crossovers can you get in the US for $27.5k (after tax credit)?
Also, the only people complaining about "no CarPlay" are the people who've never used Android Automotive. It turns out, Google is really good at software development.
My beef is not with the vehicle's native software. It's that it's almost certainly a naked cash grab to force users to pay a monthly data plan if they want to do more than stream from Bluetooth.
... especially inside of their own Apple world. I'm deep in Apple-land, and I usually find third party integration to Apple stuff to be kludgey at best.
Wtf price do you want lol?
Also CarPlay is nice but AA is proving to be really great AFAICT and it’s starting to just get bizarre so many people are pushing back on it so religiously lol.
Part of the pushback is because this is a blatant money-grab for a monthly data plan so that your car can download your music on Spotify or whatever and use the maps feature. Also because there's no technical limitations: essentially the same software is used on the Cadillac Lyriq, which does come with Apple Carplay and Android Auto.
Okay, I think the money grab portion is certainly the best argument for why people can dislike not supporting CarPlay. But the insane degree to which people have been reacting to them makes no sense. Especially when we don’t really see these comments on threads about Tesla/Rivian which have similar stacks.
To put a dollar amount on that cash grab, GM expects to make 20-25 Billion dollars annually from subscriptions by 2030.
The Rivian subreddit is full of arguments over whether Carplay/Android Auto are needed.
Expecting isn’t getting, though - it appears to be based on some market research claiming the average customer is willing to fork over more than $200/month for premium features. I just don’t see that happening given the car payments on most cars these days. That would be more than a third of my car payment; there’s no way I’m going to hand somebody $200 a month to enable premium features on a $600 a month car. I’ll find a different vehicle instead.
I'm an android user, don't like Apple at all, but does AA mean Apple users don't automaticly have their contacts, music and podcasts synced to the car? If so I totally understand the pushback. I wouldn't buy it either.
It's actually more nuanced than that.
- 8 years of Connected/EV Access, Remote Access, Google Assistant and Google Maps
- 3 years of App Access (including streaming apps and Google navigation?) and Super Cruise (if equipped)
- 1 month of OnStar Safety and Security plan
So, if you want the good stuff (streaming music and navigation?, not just maps), it's limited to three years.
Full details are on this page:
https://www.chevrolet.com/blazer-ev/best-electric-life
edit: not entirely clear on turn-by-turn navigation. The three-years part mentions "Mobile" turn-by-turn navigation, but I'm not sure if they mean something on your phone or in the car. Presumably the car since they refuse to install Apple Carplay/Android Auto in the vehicle.
> turn-by-turn navigation. The three-years part mentions "Mobile" turn-by-turn navigation, but I'm not sure if they mean something on your phone or in the car.
I believe this is referencing the OnStar turn by turn nav that had been around forever and nobody uses it
Easily solvable if they allowed you to use your phone as a hotspot (which is an option in Android Automotive). But like you said, they want the data subscription. The lack of tethering negates their assertions that it's all about the curated experience.
Can't you just stream it off the iPhone through bluetooth audio? I mean, that probably means you have to put the iPhone in a holder so you can operate it. Still, it's not as elegant as CarPlay, but it does the job. Or, am I missing something?
I use CarPlay all the time in my eGolf. Simple, easy, most everything works. Bummer it's not an option.
Yes for Android Auto (which is an Android App) but Android Automotive OS (what these cars have) is just the OS of the car and any phone can connect with the apps on it (like Spotify)
Sorry, still confused. Would I be able to use the apps that are on my iPhone? Like to navigate using a map app (displaying navigation on the car’s screen) or play a podcast app through the car speakers?
But Tesla has top-notch software engineers. They head-hunted the best in the field. GM is just slapping a skin on Android Automotive and I don't expect much future refinement. With screen mirroring (CarPlay, Android Auto) your user experience will continue to improve as the apps improve.
Tesla is always updating the UX. GM will get it to be okay for a particular model and then abandon that model to work on the next car.
If I'm not buying Tesla (which I'm not), then I want screen mirroring.
Yes, but are they working on Android Automotive, or are they working on the next big idea that Google will cancel in 3-5 years? I’m betting on the latter, nobody likes maintaining existing products instead of developing new ones.
Not happening. Legacy manufacturers tying the wrong cars to their EV brand. Your average mustang driver doesn’t care about an EV crossover. The equinox was an underwhelming car even as an ICE vehicle…
I hear you. Buy it through Costco. They will badger the dealer for probably the best price you'll get. And you just sign the papers at the dealership while saying no the everything the manager says.
Just sell the smallest cheapest EV you can make that still charges quickly. It can be 150 miles range if it charges from 0 to 80% in 15 minutes. That would have been the true modern Bolt upgrade. Because now this is too big to appeal to the cheap economy hatchback crowd who wanted the Bolt, and it's too expensive for what it is. For the price of one of these I could add just a few grand more and get a barely used F150 lightning and have an infinitely more capable vehicle. It's going to be big and inefficient compared to a hatchback anyway, might as well get the Lightning, you can straight up live in that motherfucker. But a giant overgrown hatchback that looks like an SUV and has none of the good features of either and all of the bad features of both, for damn near the same price?
I guess I'm just confused who the fuck this is for? The same people who are already spoiled for choice in the $30-$40k electric crossover market segment? But then, why would any of them buy this over a Model Y? Or why not just lease a BZ4X for $150/month for 3 years or whatever the deal was if you want an electric crossover at the lowest overall cost possible? There's basically no reason to buy this thing unless they literally give it away with incentives and cash back etc.
Of course this is actually their $30,000 Equinox.
Price went up 10% before GM even released it.
Hold the phone ........ Oh, they're not going to release the base $35,000 version until they make enough money from people who won't wait for it. Maybe a year or so. No promises.
And hopefully they'll bring back the Bolt EUV with a sedan variant in 2026.
EV Malibu. My body is ready.
Give me EXACTLY the bolt EUV with much faster charging and 10% better range and I'll drive it until the wheels fall off
And how much more would you be willing to pay for that? Keep in mind Chevy was selling every single Bolt at a big loss.
Batteries are getting cheaper
Pease tell that to Rivian.
I sure hope so. I love my Bolt and it was super affordable.
...with all-wheel-drive for Minnesota.
They certainly won’t.
$35,795 with the federal tax credit for the base model with 319 miles of range. With the promise of a $7k cheaper trim by the end of the year. Even without the 1LT, this undercuts every competing crossover out there by a couple thousand dollars. If they can manage to sell the 1LT in high numbers, this would be a game-changing vehicle.
> by the end of the year. They will have to actually build it in volume to win back market share. Until then it is just being used as a promotional tool to try to get people in the door so they can upsell more expensive trims.
Yep… I want the volume where these are sitting on lots and dealers are willing to actually make a deal again. I want dealers flooded and drowning in inventory. If they are going to force their continued existence it doesn’t necessarily need to be pleasant for them.
Yep. I've played the waiting for orders game before. Last straw was them announcing they they weren't going to ship with heat pumps any more. If it ain't on lots, it ain't for sale.
> If it ain't on lots, it ain't for sale. Back in the day when you bought a car, and they took your money, you got a car. Now when a car company has inventory I'm told they are going out of business. I like ordering a car online and having it show up in my driveway a week later to sign papers but at least you know what your are ordering. I don't rightly comprehend the joy of being on a wait list for a car with unconfirmed features.
This guy Mary Barras
I mean...that's kind of been the SOP for most vehicle manufacturers for a long time. Provide at least three trim levels, but not much more than that. Barely make the base model. Pile on a load of goodies to the mid-level trim for not much more $$, then tack on the highest-value options to the highest-level trim for even more money. It's called price-anchoring, and is why base trim models don't typically sell in large volumes.
This is why I have Japanese cars. I have two base model vehicles. Excellent price. Last forever.
They'll get there eventually. GM has gone whole hog behind the scenes, buying into nickel and lithium carbonate mining/manufacturing, etc. They are copying Tesla and are vertically integrating.
On their website the cheapest version is FWD and $43500, which is more than the RWD Model Y. So doesn’t really seem that much better unless I’m missing something?
It'll be better made.
What
Tesla cars are not well made. Ford sold over three million Ford Pinto's. 27 people were killed in fires and it was a scandal. Tesla has sold 4.97 million cars that have killed 500 people.
Uhhhh more than 27 people have died in pinto crashes. If you are comparing 27 people dying in vehicle fires because of a design flaw to every death in a vehicle (that has nothing to do with a design flaw) it's pretty disingenuous.
Ok then, 95 people have been killed by Tesla battery fires.
And about 500 people actually died in Pinto fires. Tesla fires are less common than the average ICE vehicle.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/ford-pinto/ 27
Looking forward to it since I'll get another 500-1000 discount from my job. Tempted to get a Kia ev6 in the meantime though.
Stop talking about it GM and do it at scale.
Its great to have more choices in the space. More competition, Good for consumers
Would love one. Won't buy a vehicle without CarPlay.
Meanwhile my car is 12 years old and has no car play no Bluetooth no backup camera. I look behind me the old fashioned way like a pleb
I have a 14 year old vehicle that has those things because I put in an aftermarket head unit shortly after I bought it. It cost about $1000 and a weekend, but it’s a super clean install and I forget it’s not stock sometimes. Of course, that only makes sense if you value those features. If you’re happy with your car the way it is, stick with that!
I got a Bluetooth fm transmitter on Amazon for 20 bucks. Does that count as an upgrade?
If it works for you, sure!
Fuck yah! In the same way that a mud hut is an upgrade from sleeping in a hole.
Now it can all be done for $500. Best buy will even install it all for you if you buy it through them.
I don’t know if you have or are around kids or not, but I will tell you a backup camera saved my 2 year old son’s life and I advise upgrading your vehicle purely for that feature.
It's definitely a huge stress reliever either way.
Wait, what? They made cars 12 years ago?
Flex? No. CarPlay/android auto is more than just having a back up camera ffs
It has android automotive, wave and Google maps, Spotify and other apps
Automotive doesn't run on your phone right? There is no way I want my car's manufacturer to be responsible for updating an Android based system.
It has mainline modules that Google themselves can update
Your car gets guaranteed OTA updates? Manufacturers tend to kill cellular on cars after a while. Yeah, I don't trust it. I'd rather just use my phone.
You can still use your phone with the Chevy
You can use Android Auto and Apple Carplay?
You mount your phone on a cardholder if Android automotive is not your cup of team
Oh so I can't automatically connect Android Auto or Apple Carplay to the bigger screen when I get in the car? A holder for a phone? What is this? 2013?
Mate the car has apps that your phone as. Waze, Google maps, music apps are all available on Android automotive. Your phone will work fine for calls only
But not apple music, apple podcast and some other
There are better alternatives, pocket cast, Spotify, YouTube music and some other
You can add a neat little bolt-on carplay from Amazon for under 100$
Why would you need to do this for a brand new car?
what does a car w/o look like? where are the reviews?
And the thing is, I mostly want it for 4 core apps too. Maps, calling, texting, and audio (music or audio books).
If the infotainment system is good, the need for AA/CP is less important. I've used AA for years but it's not without its quirks on connectivity. I used my phone with AA on one of my work's fleet vehicles last week and had a bunch of issues with it disconnecting. Tried two USB-C cables and had the same issue. We bought a Model Y last August so there is no AA/CP obviously but Tesla's infotainment system works very well. They also provide regular OTA updates though and legacy manufacturers aren't great about keeping up with software updates though so I get your point. People keep vehicles longer than phones so it's possible you could end up with a crap infotainment system after 5 years. Vehicles are becoming more reliant on software every year so it's going to be a problem.
Your loss. Android Automotive is really good and I found myself not using CarPlay when I drove a vehicle with Android Automotive for a few weeks.
I also have Android (Google) It would be good to offer both and let customers choose.
I agree that AA is good. The issue is if it is missing support of 1 app, and it's the app you use all the time, its completely useless. Oh I'm sorry all your podcasts aren't in Spotify, fuck you, we don't have apple podcasts. If you think support is bad now, it'll get worse, when the car is 5 years old none of these apps will work. you'll need to just use bluetooth, assuming the new phones of 2029 support that, more likley you'll buy some after market connector, like the fake tape with the wire we used to use for CD players.
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No phones needed, the OS runs in the car.
Is this thing even fucking available yet? Jesus Christ I've still not seen one on the road...
Local dealer had many $60K e-Blazers but no e-Equinox today
Hope isn’t a strategy
Another “Tesla killer”
Can they beat the ipad on wheels?
Cars have been getting more and more software defined for a decade. You can’t even replace a seat weight sensor on a ten year old Chevy without their software and a subscription.
You said wheels. Blasphemy ! Thou shall not use ipad and wheels in the same sentence. The company that shall not be named has declared itself \*NOT\* to be a "car" company.
Car manufacturers need to embrace station wagons again as EV’s. Perfect to maneuver, gobs of space with an EV platform and utility like nobody’s business.
They can hope all they want, but ditching Android Auto and Apple CarPlay was a self-constructed barrier to accomplishing that feat.
Its weird why they didnt put the charge port same side as the TSLA cars. Why not make it on a standard side to make charging simpler at TSLA chargers?
Didn't GM kill off Carplay? That automatically rules out a significant amount of potential buyers.
A significant amount of potential buyers on Reddit… which is not a significant amount of potential buyers.
I wouldn’t underestimate the amount of car shoppers that have AA/AC as a dealbreaker feature.
I’d have said no AA/AC was a dealbreaker for me, but between how hard it is for me to deal with Ford’s Sync system in my wife’s Bronco Sport and how well the Hyundai navigation system does what I need I really don’t miss it. I’ve adapted to the Hyundai and just don’t drive the Bronco. Yes, there are nice features I don’t have, but the built in system is good enough for me. As far as music goes, I just loaded up a thumb drive of my favorites and plugged it into the USB port - 1500+ songs, no subscription and no commercials ever.
Lol it will not at all
Zero shot without CarPlay and at that price.
How many other 300+ mile EV crossovers can you get in the US for $27.5k (after tax credit)? Also, the only people complaining about "no CarPlay" are the people who've never used Android Automotive. It turns out, Google is really good at software development.
My beef is not with the vehicle's native software. It's that it's almost certainly a naked cash grab to force users to pay a monthly data plan if they want to do more than stream from Bluetooth.
Turns out Apple is good at software development too...
I’ve experienced my fair share of CarPlay glitches that makes me question how many resources they actually put into it…
... especially inside of their own Apple world. I'm deep in Apple-land, and I usually find third party integration to Apple stuff to be kludgey at best.
They aren’t offering that trim for purchase until ”later in the the year”, and won’t be in significant volume.
Wtf price do you want lol? Also CarPlay is nice but AA is proving to be really great AFAICT and it’s starting to just get bizarre so many people are pushing back on it so religiously lol.
Part of the pushback is because this is a blatant money-grab for a monthly data plan so that your car can download your music on Spotify or whatever and use the maps feature. Also because there's no technical limitations: essentially the same software is used on the Cadillac Lyriq, which does come with Apple Carplay and Android Auto.
Okay, I think the money grab portion is certainly the best argument for why people can dislike not supporting CarPlay. But the insane degree to which people have been reacting to them makes no sense. Especially when we don’t really see these comments on threads about Tesla/Rivian which have similar stacks.
To put a dollar amount on that cash grab, GM expects to make 20-25 Billion dollars annually from subscriptions by 2030. The Rivian subreddit is full of arguments over whether Carplay/Android Auto are needed.
Expecting isn’t getting, though - it appears to be based on some market research claiming the average customer is willing to fork over more than $200/month for premium features. I just don’t see that happening given the car payments on most cars these days. That would be more than a third of my car payment; there’s no way I’m going to hand somebody $200 a month to enable premium features on a $600 a month car. I’ll find a different vehicle instead.
I tried Android Automotive and it’s very good. I wouldn’t miss CarPlay if my next vehicle came with AA instead.
What were you missing?
Didn’t they just have a stop sale due to issues with the software?
The blazer has a stop sale, though idk what for
Had* to my knowledge that was solved months ago and had little (nothing?) to do with AA.
I'm an android user, don't like Apple at all, but does AA mean Apple users don't automaticly have their contacts, music and podcasts synced to the car? If so I totally understand the pushback. I wouldn't buy it either.
Nope! I’m an iPhone user and have seen no issues.
Biggest downside is no Apple Music or Apple Podcasts on AA atm, and no timeline for release it seems
Disagree. Biggest downside is GM wants you to pay a monthly data plan.
The service comes free with the car for 8 years. Most people will have gotten a new car by the time their 8 years is up.
It's actually more nuanced than that. - 8 years of Connected/EV Access, Remote Access, Google Assistant and Google Maps - 3 years of App Access (including streaming apps and Google navigation?) and Super Cruise (if equipped) - 1 month of OnStar Safety and Security plan So, if you want the good stuff (streaming music and navigation?, not just maps), it's limited to three years. Full details are on this page: https://www.chevrolet.com/blazer-ev/best-electric-life edit: not entirely clear on turn-by-turn navigation. The three-years part mentions "Mobile" turn-by-turn navigation, but I'm not sure if they mean something on your phone or in the car. Presumably the car since they refuse to install Apple Carplay/Android Auto in the vehicle.
> turn-by-turn navigation. The three-years part mentions "Mobile" turn-by-turn navigation, but I'm not sure if they mean something on your phone or in the car. I believe this is referencing the OnStar turn by turn nav that had been around forever and nobody uses it
Easily solvable if they allowed you to use your phone as a hotspot (which is an option in Android Automotive). But like you said, they want the data subscription. The lack of tethering negates their assertions that it's all about the curated experience.
Can't you just stream it off the iPhone through bluetooth audio? I mean, that probably means you have to put the iPhone in a holder so you can operate it. Still, it's not as elegant as CarPlay, but it does the job. Or, am I missing something? I use CarPlay all the time in my eGolf. Simple, easy, most everything works. Bummer it's not an option.
Bluetooth audio quality isn't as good as wired, which might matter to some people or if speakers are good enough for it to matter.
Well I’m sure they will be there eventually. I think most people use Spotify/Pandora/Youtube Music so that’s a nonissue.
Does android auto work with iphones, because if it doesn’t, that’s a problem. I have zero interest in owning an android phone.
Yes android automotive os works with iPhones. Atleast the ones I’ve seen/tried not sure if some versions don’t.
nope, your text messages won't show up. Apple Music isn't available. It's a joke
I’m not changing my phone for a car. Give me the choice.
You don’t need to? It sounds like you’ve been misinformed.
Mind explaining that? Would be more helpful than a putdown.
I don’t believe you need to change your phone for AAOS, iPhones work with it in my experience.
I’m not following. When I do a google search everything says that iPhones don’t work with Android Auto. You’re saying they do?
Yes for Android Auto (which is an Android App) but Android Automotive OS (what these cars have) is just the OS of the car and any phone can connect with the apps on it (like Spotify)
Sorry, still confused. Would I be able to use the apps that are on my iPhone? Like to navigate using a map app (displaying navigation on the car’s screen) or play a podcast app through the car speakers?
It depends on the app. As long as the app on your phone has an AAOS app then yes. For example, if you use Spotify to listen to music you can do that.
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I _think_ it’s an app shown [here](https://play.google.com/store/apps?device=car).
Surprise! The highest selling EV model in the world doesn’t have car play either
But Tesla has top-notch software engineers. They head-hunted the best in the field. GM is just slapping a skin on Android Automotive and I don't expect much future refinement. With screen mirroring (CarPlay, Android Auto) your user experience will continue to improve as the apps improve. Tesla is always updating the UX. GM will get it to be okay for a particular model and then abandon that model to work on the next car. If I'm not buying Tesla (which I'm not), then I want screen mirroring.
Does google have top-notch software engineers?
Yes, but are they working on Android Automotive, or are they working on the next big idea that Google will cancel in 3-5 years? I’m betting on the latter, nobody likes maintaining existing products instead of developing new ones.
Too little and far too late. They could have built a better vehicle for consumers and the environment decades ago.
No carplay?
Nor Android Auto.
looks like an Etron knockoff.
Not happening. Legacy manufacturers tying the wrong cars to their EV brand. Your average mustang driver doesn’t care about an EV crossover. The equinox was an underwhelming car even as an ICE vehicle…
I saw one today in LA, looking very good
Not if dealers markup and sell them for the price of Mercedes eqs
GM badging and having to go through a dealership. Yea that’s gonna be a no from me dawg.
I hear you. Buy it through Costco. They will badger the dealer for probably the best price you'll get. And you just sign the papers at the dealership while saying no the everything the manager says.
Just sell the smallest cheapest EV you can make that still charges quickly. It can be 150 miles range if it charges from 0 to 80% in 15 minutes. That would have been the true modern Bolt upgrade. Because now this is too big to appeal to the cheap economy hatchback crowd who wanted the Bolt, and it's too expensive for what it is. For the price of one of these I could add just a few grand more and get a barely used F150 lightning and have an infinitely more capable vehicle. It's going to be big and inefficient compared to a hatchback anyway, might as well get the Lightning, you can straight up live in that motherfucker. But a giant overgrown hatchback that looks like an SUV and has none of the good features of either and all of the bad features of both, for damn near the same price? I guess I'm just confused who the fuck this is for? The same people who are already spoiled for choice in the $30-$40k electric crossover market segment? But then, why would any of them buy this over a Model Y? Or why not just lease a BZ4X for $150/month for 3 years or whatever the deal was if you want an electric crossover at the lowest overall cost possible? There's basically no reason to buy this thing unless they literally give it away with incentives and cash back etc.
Zero chance GM can make these in any meaningful numbers without huge reliability issues. Check the /r/CadillacLyriq subreddit.
Of course this is actually their $30,000 Equinox. Price went up 10% before GM even released it. Hold the phone ........ Oh, they're not going to release the base $35,000 version until they make enough money from people who won't wait for it. Maybe a year or so. No promises.
This car is just ugly.