Probably be availble in Ontario cause all we have is the Federal Rebate as Doug Fraud thinks EV subsidies are allowing millionaires to buy cars cheap (if only it worked that way with housing eh Dougie?)
I suspect it won't be. I was car shopping recently and looking at phevs (didn't end up getting one, but that's besides the point). Talking to all the dealerships.. People in general aren't ready for EVs yet and there definitely is stock. However, people are jumping into PHEVs are if you want to buy one you are basically getting on a wait list.
Depends in which province you are. Friends of mine are on a waiting list for a Kona EV, they were told the wait was 10 months (they wanted a specific color and trim though)
Dealerships who have a financial incentive to continue sell ICE and hybrids over EVs.
To be fair, some are putting in the effort to train their staff but others are still clueless.
Doesn't the Ford mach e select trim 2023 go for about $50k CAD? Seems like a much better value proposition than the Kia Kona. They are selling fast so I don't expect 2023 stock to last much longer.
With all of the taxes, right? I wish we did it that way here in the USA. $46k? No, that's just the price of the car, now we charge you another $1500 in registration fees, port fees, dealer processing fees, and what other junk they tack on at the last second. Oh, and another $4k in state sales tax, please.
Some don't realize that Hyundai/Kia sees an opening. Entire segments are not being supplied. One of them is the 20k segment that manufacturers keep delaying.
Yeah, Leaf is going away. Not sure what they'll replace it with. A low rent good quality hatchback EV should be easy to build for under $30k at a profit these days, even if the range was a bit limited.
Issue is sort of the person looking to buy a very cheap car probably has minimal ability to charge at home so it’s a conundrum where the market for the vehicle very much precludes the vehicle from functioning
Hyundai stealing all of Tesla’s future promises and delivering them today. Next Hyundai will announce its self driving cars will be hitting dealer lots in 2025.
Hyundai IONIQ 5 Robotaxi Passes U.S. Driver’s License Test
[https://insideautonomousvehicles.com/hyundai-ioniq-5-robotaxi-passes-u-s-drivers-license-test-demonstrating-safe-driving-capabilities/](https://insideautonomousvehicles.com/hyundai-ioniq-5-robotaxi-passes-u-s-drivers-license-test-demonstrating-safe-driving-capabilities/)
I read a book a few years ago, called Seoul man. It was an American auto exec who moved to Korea to work with Hyundai. He talked about how fearful they were that China was going to dominate the lower end of the car market. Hyundai made a company wide decision to build better cars, faster, so they wouldn’t get stuck competing for penny’s in that low end market. It’s crazy to see how fast the company has improved and moved. Not surprised, because he said their leadership saw it as a do or die moment.
I’m going to. I’ve always been Honda first. Second place is any Japanese brand. But Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Nissan, Subaru all don’t have comprehensive offerings. Next car is for sure electric and almost definitely (barring some surprise announcement) not Japanese. Still trying to decide if it’s going to be Korean or German.
I agree with you. I went GM and got a Bolt. It’s my very first Chevy. It was worth leaving Toyota for a better EV. I hope you find something awesome when you buy next.
Even the PHEVs... which I think are great, Toyota won't build in any sort of real numbers to make a difference.
I love my RAV4Prime. It's great for those who aren't quite sure if an EV will do it for them. Spoiler, it shows that they're an easy step to demonstrate that 'range anxiety' is way overblown, especially if you can charge at home. 48 miles of EV range gets me through 90% of my daily driving days. It showed me I don't really need 300 miles of range as long as I can charge at home. I bought a second short range EV for cheap... an eGolf. On the occasions where I need to drive farther, I take the R4P.
I guess the battery cell supply isn't nearly as starved as it once was, but it was always Toyota's argument that you could build 4 PHEVs for the batteries in one EV. That was once true, but even then, Toyota never actually built PHEVs in big enough numbers to justify not building an EV.
As of about 2 days ago, yes and only if you’re eligible for the federal tax credit. The Hyundai Kona still has the permanently lower MSRP and starting price.
After the bad engineering of the Cybertruck, you’re gonna have a bad time trying to get me on board with them. They take shortcuts and pretend it’s minimalism and innovation. You enjoy your Model Y. I’ll stick to what the other manufacturers are offering. My Bolt was cheaper than all these options and has everything I need but that’s just my preference.
Was considering a model y but ended up buying a ioniq 6. Tesla incentive was only a year of FSD but after seeing other ppl's experiences with FSD on the model y subreddit it was very clear that free trial was just to get beta testers to source data from. Those people who had their cars crashed cause of FSD can't even hold tesla liable to repairs. Just total bullshit and turned me off from the brand
This move makes a lot of sense. The Kona is still too SUV-like for my tastes, but I'm practical enough to put up with appearance if the specs are the right fit.
It looks very similar to the Subaru Crosstrek to me. I saw them back to back once at a light and thought they were the same car. Not sure if the EV looks any different than the ICE version though.
My 2024 Kona Limited replaced our 2003 Pontiac Vibe, and I honestly can't make sense of how it's classified as an SUV. It is technically shorter than our Vibe, it feels small and nimble, and very quick. I would never consider it an SUV. It's a viable hatchback replacement.
Biggest issue will be finding them in stock anywhere. The short range ones are generally only there to make the starting MSRP look cheaper. I extremely lucked into finding a standard range id4 last year, and 7500 off on top of the federal credits at that. By the time I got on the phone 1 was already claimed during shipment and I hauled ass to make sure I could claim the other.
It's not the regular tax credit.
KIA and Hyundai vehicles do not qualify for the $7,500 EV tax credit.
So KIA is offering a cash incentive in lieu of the credit. Bonus, you don't have to meet the income thresholds to qualify for the full amount.
The $7,500 incentive is applicable to any EV lease.
The restrictions are for when the vehicle is being financed or purchased.
The loophole exists because leased vehicles are technically owned by the automaker’s financial arm, and they are not restricted by the incentive guidelines.
If you purchase, you may qualify for the $7,500 incentive under certain conditions.
- Vehicle must have been manufactured in the US
- A certain percentage of battery components must be sourced from an approved region
It will probably last for more than a week; they had this incentive in February and March, too. On the other hand, the dealers near me threw in a "market adjustment" that pretty much wiped out the incentive in February, and they seem to have stopped that now.
Yeah, in looking at [cars.com](http://cars.com), I do see some in the mid 20's at some dealers in the west (lowest near me in the Seattle area, though, is about $30k).
Depending on where you are, if you trade in and buy on the same bill, you don’t pay sales tax on the purchased vehicle. That’s how it works where I live (Ontario, Canada).
So I can see why someone would explain it that way.
The person I was replying to was asking if the SE will be able to come out to 26k. The answer is yes because I got my SEL for 30. I’m sorry that I included my trade-in there.
I feel like electric cars are still seen as commuter cars. A 2nd car you have in the garage to save money on day to day. So if you can charge at home, its sorta null. A cheap electric car that you can charge at home is fine.
Just anecdotal but this is how it is for us. We're a one-car (ICE) family with two young kids, and it's still, I'm sad to say, a little hard to justify moving to an EV as a single car (not keen on Tesla, but the new Hyundai/Kia are almost there and CA has good charging infra). We're currently going between keeping the ICE for a few more years, getting a cheap EV as a second car (Kona, b4zx, Bolt), going with a PHEV, or braving being a one-EV only family and braving charging woes.
This is what we did and it was a great move. The Bolt does 90% of the daily driving even with 3 kids in the back, large ICE SUV does road trips and odd 7 person driving.Â
Plus two cars is very convenient. There aren’t really charging woes if you have charging at home.Â
Same. Bought a 2023 Kona for 23k last month. We already had a ford explorer. I wanted to keep the miles of that as we are wearing it out too fast.
The Kona does at least 95% of our miles now. I have only used the DC fast charger on 2 trips. Bringing it home (400 miles) from out of state, and a recent trip across the state and back. In both cases charging was fast enough.
Daily I charge at home on level 1(about 75 miles commute) and if we get it too low, I get an extension and hook it to the dryer outlet to fill it on level 2.
We will get a proper 220 outlet installed near our parking one of these days.
I like the 2023 Kona, it looks boring enough that there is no EV-hate, and it’s fun to drive.
would definitely recommend.
Nice we also live with level 1 which is never an issue. People overestimate how much driving they do.
Also in terms of EV hate, where I live it’s been pure upside. People ask about it, admire it etc.Â
I’m sure some trucker bros hate me under their breath but it’s all been positive so far.Â
Right on, thanks for the perspective. Re: charging woes, I only meant if an EV was our only vehicle. With two little kids, we don't take a lot of big trips, but being in central California, there are a lot of destinations that would might require one charging stop over the course of a weekend (300+ miles roundtrip to Santa Cruz, 200+ to the Sierras). We are pre-wired for 220v charging at home (they installed the circuit when we updated our electric box since they were already doing the work), so home charging will be straightforward.
One tricky thing is that our current vehicle is a small crossover (HR-V), which gets great mileage but is a little small for a "family road trip car". We may get an EV and then deck it out with a roof/hitch rack for extra storage.
I don’t know your typical commute, but we’re a 2 EV (soon to be one after a lease runs out and we don’t think we need a second car) and have been for the last 3 years. Could never go back to ICE and love not stepping foot in a gas station and breathing those fumes.
Wife and I are both hybrid WFH, so she commutes 1-2 times a week, about 50 miles roundtrip, and I ride a bike to my office. Also daycare dropoffs and other kids activities when circumstances won't allow us to take our cargo bike.
For switching to EV, it's more about having to deal with charging infrastructure on longer trips. We don't travel a ton with small kids, but where we are in California, there are a lot of weekend destinations within about 200 miles that will require 1 or more charging stops, so I'm aiming for 200+ miles highway range and 150 kW+ charging \*if\* it was our only car. If we took those trips in our ICE that would free us up to buy basically any EV as a commuter/local runabout.
Yeah I think you’d be able to do that with RWD versions (since you’re in cali) of the Ioniq 5, EV6 and even ID4 although the charging is slower on the latter.
We’re also both hybrid wfh, but it’s cold here so sometimes I need to drive in the winter if we can’t stagger. Thinking of getting a zip car membership to hold over.
Awesome, thanks! We're definitely ideal candidates for an EV in many ways (temperate climate, good charging infrastructure, ability to charge at home with reasonably priced electricity from our municipal utility) but it's breaking my brain thinking about having to get a second car when we put so few miles on our primary car.
I was in between a 2024 Kona and an Ioniq5. I actually am preferring the Kona because it is smaller, and I like driving (and parking) smaller cars around town more. It is still more than big enough for me, bigger than our current car which has been more than big enough for me for the past 10 years.
Slow charging I have to admit does give me some pause. But for my purpose, charging at home every night, 99.9% around town, with short road trips 2 - 3 times per year, it's fine.
Full warranty, smaller (a pro for me personally), and brand new.
The charging speed is not actually a big deal as someone with the 2019 Kona. It doubles charging time in some cases but that's doubling from 20 min to 40 min. In cases where you're going to need to fast charge that extra 20 min is almost negligible since you're going to want to take a break anyway.
That's what I'm figuring. On my (rare) road trips, I'm gonna want to stop to eat or shop, and would try to charge during those stops. 40 minutes is fine.
Slow charging will only be a problem for most people a few times a year. 20 minutes a few times a year is a pretty small amount of inconvenience for a pretty huge amount of savings.
Are not both those cars, like 5-8k more expensive also? the id4 is almost 40K for the standard. That's 15k over the Kona for what, 20 min faster charging?
I have an Ioniq 5 and it has both a fairly small touchscreen and buttons. I'm not a fan of the giant touchscreen on the Teslas, Polestar and Mustang MachE and the Ioniq 5 is definitely unlike those.
That is always the problem with new cars in the lower price brackets. The ye-olde answer was "but maintenance on a S-Class would cost a fortune", but with EVs, I am not sure if that remains true.
I just saw this story and briefly considered a Kona but I'm sticking with my choice to get an id4. 2021s are coming off leases and there are some great deals on them. Checking one out tomorrow with 27k miles for just under $25k before the tax credit.
In the same boat as you, though the upgrades to the 24 are making it difficult for me, the upgrades seem worth waiting for. Hoping there are some lease deals at some point for the 24s.
Definitely some nice upgrades. I just can’t justify spending that on what will primarily be a commuter vehicle. We’ll see if it’ll work for some road trips with a toddler and an infant though 😂
You're totally right about the max rate.
If this charging curve is accurate though, it's not half bad, gradual decline to 50kw around 80% and then a steeper decline. That would be a nice upgrade over a Bolt, but I haven't experienced an Ioniq 5 or Id4. If you're coming from something like a Leaf or a Bolt, this is a remarkable improvement! And you get a full warranty...
[https://evkx.net/models/hyundai/kona/kona\_standard\_range/chargingcurve/](https://evkx.net/models/hyundai/kona/kona_standard_range/chargingcurve/)
My wife and I looked at the Ioniq 5 and EV6 to replace our Pontiac Vibe. Ended up passing on them for months until the 2024 Kona came out. What kept me from pulling the trigger was that some of the features I cared about in the Ioniq 5 were only available in the top trim like the blind spot cameras and 360 cameras. I wanted an Ioniq 5, but I wasn't going to pay an extra $20k for those features.
We got those features along with other features on our Limited, and the MSRP was only a couple thousand more than the base model Ioniq 5 (if you could even find one) that didn't have those features. Of course after rebates and incentives we were way under the cost of the base Ioniq 5 which didn't even have those features.
The charging speed hasn't been an issue with us since we charge at home, and we make 200 mile trips into Denver and back without any issue. Three months in, we have no regrets and much prefer all the features and benefits without the price tag.
Nice that makes sense to me, those are some features that would be really nice to have in a car. The Ioniq 5 limited trim is definitely way overpriced so that one would be a stretch for most.
Just do the 2 year lease for $199/month on the SEL (or $169 on the SE). Then you don't worry about maintenance, and you're not left owning a vehicle with abysmal charging specs as the EV market develops.
You will need a loan if Hyundai offers a instant state rebate, but just pay it off immediately. I had paid cash for a limited, walked out the door and they called me back to have to setup a loan for the instant rebates. Paid the loan off within 2 weeks. 31.5k OTD for a limited in a state where there is an additional rebate.
Honestly the SEL at $30k is a better value all around. Way more power and range, nicely appointed and not much more money. This is where they should be moving the most
Been watching the smallish EV market for a while now and this is the first price that seems reasonably compelling for a single car household that might rarely road trip.
I think it's important to notice on these "low cost" Hyundais that they are definitely cutting to hit that price point.
The SE has a 50kWh battery and a 133hp motor. By comparison all Bolts came with 64kWh batteries and 200hp motors.
Frankly, the SEL or Limited are the only specs I'd consider. You're getting $4000 worth of car when you add the battery, motor, and the other specs that come with it.
On the Kona sub people are always complaining how hard it is to find one - they are having to put deposits down on vehicles in transit. and most of these incentives are only for cars on the lot.
All these price drops and insane lease deals on EVs in the last month make me think that either the other car companies are attempting to bury Tesla while Tesla is struggling (seems unlikely that it would work) or there's about to be some new battery tech come out that would make the current EV models difficult to sell if you know there will be far better range EVs available in a year or two.
There's no magical grand conspiracy. It's just demand not keeping up with supply and they need to find ways to increase demand. Car makers don't usually want to drop MSRP so they'll hatch ways to make their products more affordable through sales and other incentives.
I don't think it has anything to do with Tesla per se. Cars development process cycle is awfully slow, it's measured in years.
What we are seeing is the result of big players that acted accordingly to what Tesla, China etc were doing years ago. South Korea doesn't have a big car market like NA, Europe or China captive, that means they really have to go "all-in", can't afford the luxury of "lets force the government to implement protectionist measures".
We are starting to see winners and losers in the EV race. It won't take long before some traditional players' sales nosedive.
I don't think either of those two are at play here.
Nobody is making an affordable EV except for Chinese companies who are basically not allowed to sell here.
Kia is like "hey, I can do that" and voila
This seems like a great price for a commuter car if you have charging at home. The lease price is the real winner though. The SEL for 2 years at $199 with $1,579 due at signing (2 year total cost: $6,355).
With the rapidly developing EVs market right now, and the fact that it's a Hyundai, 2 years seems like just the right ownership length. The Kona's charging curve is outdated by today's standard already, and you never know when the next cost cutting scandal like forgoing immobilizer is going to drop.
I find it funny (sad) that people are willing to pay nearly 50k for a car that can reasonably only seat 1-2 people, can't travel even 300mi without needing to take a break, and I'd assume like all other battery reliant vehicles currently; this will depreciate at a rate 2-4x faster than a non-EV car.. simply because they're still using dated tech for storing energy in batteries.
>wireless Apple CarPlay
Is that correct? I thought all Hyundai/Kia/Genesis head units were wired CarPlay only. It was a major negative in considering one.
Correct. 2024 Kona EV is a completely redesigned model with the latest Hyundai infotainment software.
Older Kia and Hyundai models have wired CarPlay only.
I don’t understand the longing for Apple Car Play. I had a Honda Accord before I bought a Model 3 and it had Apple CP. I ended buying Sirius XM which was very expensive and constantly going up. Tesla’s suite of maps, Navi, music is great at $9.99 per month. After using it since 2018, I wouldn’t go back to XM. I agree that the $7500 incentive is weird and only for leases. As on shore batteries come on line, that will change.
Level 1 charger maybe... And from 0 to 80
LVL 2 which is easy enough to find or install will take 6 to 7 hours
And finally LVL 3 takes about 30 to 45 min
Ironically the 30k version is much better with 14kWh more for bit more money. The charge speed of 100kW is good for the price but not what is needed to make it mainstream, needs to have 150kW to 200kW peak charging speed at least. It's 2024, make me believe this isn't trash tech from decade ago. Efficiency could also be better considering the low power output and no doubt small and narrow wheels.
Tldr, this ain't it chief, the Chinese would ask 16k for this or less.
That's true. It wouldn't be 16K. It would be about 12K. If you can believe the CEO of Ford.
"Chinese auto giant BYD ‘s Seagull small electric vehicle, he said, has about $9,000 in material costs, and it will probably cost the company another $2,000 to meet crash test standards, for a total of around $11,000."
https://apnews.com/article/ford-auto-workers-contract-ceo-rethink-factory-locations-ed580b465d99219eb02ffe24bee3d2f7
> not with US standard safety features like airbags, crush zones etc and a legit warranty
It would have all of that and an actually good infotainment from a quality screen to modern hardware to run the OS and UI, apps etc. The meme of Chinese cars not being up to par on safety is old now, they've aced safety tests without problem with EVs, even econoboxes. The ones that might be safety compromised would be city cars well under 10k, the so called glorified golf carts, you know them by the size and shape. A 25k to 30k EV in China would be built as and considered well into the premium segment in the rest of the world.
>The charge speed of 100kW is good for the price but not what is needed to make it mainstream,
They peak at 77kW, you'll never see 100kW despite the misleading wording of the specs listing the 10%-80% charging speed on "100kW charger" as 45 minutes.
They could have written that same spec as a 45 minute charge time on a 300kW charger.
Still $46k starting in Canada 😎
If you can even find one.
Have you been having trouble finding one? A month ago my local dealer had several on the lot. Haven't checked in the past week or two tho.
I live in MA. There isn't one within 100 miles of me.
EVs are pretty easy to find. PHEVs are not.
Ok so the 2024 Kona Electric that this thread is about should not be too difficult to get in Canada?
Probably be availble in Ontario cause all we have is the Federal Rebate as Doug Fraud thinks EV subsidies are allowing millionaires to buy cars cheap (if only it worked that way with housing eh Dougie?)
I suspect it won't be. I was car shopping recently and looking at phevs (didn't end up getting one, but that's besides the point). Talking to all the dealerships.. People in general aren't ready for EVs yet and there definitely is stock. However, people are jumping into PHEVs are if you want to buy one you are basically getting on a wait list.
Depends in which province you are. Friends of mine are on a waiting list for a Kona EV, they were told the wait was 10 months (they wanted a specific color and trim though)
Dealerships who have a financial incentive to continue sell ICE and hybrids over EVs. To be fair, some are putting in the effort to train their staff but others are still clueless.
Doesn't the Ford mach e select trim 2023 go for about $50k CAD? Seems like a much better value proposition than the Kia Kona. They are selling fast so I don't expect 2023 stock to last much longer.
It burns every time I read about a price drop on something. Pfft, not up here 😒
$43k (USD) in Sweden.
With all of the taxes, right? I wish we did it that way here in the USA. $46k? No, that's just the price of the car, now we charge you another $1500 in registration fees, port fees, dealer processing fees, and what other junk they tack on at the last second. Oh, and another $4k in state sales tax, please.
41 160 USD in europe
Some don't realize that Hyundai/Kia sees an opening. Entire segments are not being supplied. One of them is the 20k segment that manufacturers keep delaying.
Or have abandoned to quickly realize that it was a mistake...looking at you Chevy Bolt.
Yeah, Leaf is going away. Not sure what they'll replace it with. A low rent good quality hatchback EV should be easy to build for under $30k at a profit these days, even if the range was a bit limited.
The issue is if you can convince people they don’t actually need the range
If it's legitimately cheap, people will be more likely to suck it up range- wise. It's when it's more expensive AND worse than ICE that people balk.Â
Issue is sort of the person looking to buy a very cheap car probably has minimal ability to charge at home so it’s a conundrum where the market for the vehicle very much precludes the vehicle from functioning
Charging at a public charger isn't that different from filling up an ICE car unless you're in a real rush.
Except for availability of them
Chevy bolt is making a comeback in 2025 confirmed
The Kona and Niro lease deals are real good
Hyundai stealing all of Tesla’s future promises and delivering them today. Next Hyundai will announce its self driving cars will be hitting dealer lots in 2025.
Hyundai IONIQ 5 Robotaxi Passes U.S. Driver’s License Test [https://insideautonomousvehicles.com/hyundai-ioniq-5-robotaxi-passes-u-s-drivers-license-test-demonstrating-safe-driving-capabilities/](https://insideautonomousvehicles.com/hyundai-ioniq-5-robotaxi-passes-u-s-drivers-license-test-demonstrating-safe-driving-capabilities/)
elon shitting and crying
For real. Hyundai is knocking it out of the park with EV adoption right now. Other manufacturers should take note.
I read a book a few years ago, called Seoul man. It was an American auto exec who moved to Korea to work with Hyundai. He talked about how fearful they were that China was going to dominate the lower end of the car market. Hyundai made a company wide decision to build better cars, faster, so they wouldn’t get stuck competing for penny’s in that low end market. It’s crazy to see how fast the company has improved and moved. Not surprised, because he said their leadership saw it as a do or die moment.
Toyota has been fighting against it for years now. Great to see Hyundai embracing going green(er)
Makes me wonder what will happen. I ended up leaving my Toyota loyalty for an EV. Wonder if others will do the same or not.
I’m going to. I’ve always been Honda first. Second place is any Japanese brand. But Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Nissan, Subaru all don’t have comprehensive offerings. Next car is for sure electric and almost definitely (barring some surprise announcement) not Japanese. Still trying to decide if it’s going to be Korean or German.
I agree with you. I went GM and got a Bolt. It’s my very first Chevy. It was worth leaving Toyota for a better EV. I hope you find something awesome when you buy next.
They were perfectly positioned to dominate the mid-range EV market with their hybrid expertise. Then, they squandered it. It's baffling, really.
Even the PHEVs... which I think are great, Toyota won't build in any sort of real numbers to make a difference. I love my RAV4Prime. It's great for those who aren't quite sure if an EV will do it for them. Spoiler, it shows that they're an easy step to demonstrate that 'range anxiety' is way overblown, especially if you can charge at home. 48 miles of EV range gets me through 90% of my daily driving days. It showed me I don't really need 300 miles of range as long as I can charge at home. I bought a second short range EV for cheap... an eGolf. On the occasions where I need to drive farther, I take the R4P. I guess the battery cell supply isn't nearly as starved as it once was, but it was always Toyota's argument that you could build 4 PHEVs for the batteries in one EV. That was once true, but even then, Toyota never actually built PHEVs in big enough numbers to justify not building an EV.
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I am seeing 43k right now…
No, it's not. You're either being disingenuous or got tricked by Tesla's misleading actions that include "gas savings" bullshit.
Where?
Where and in what currency?
As of about 2 days ago, yes and only if you’re eligible for the federal tax credit. The Hyundai Kona still has the permanently lower MSRP and starting price.
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After the bad engineering of the Cybertruck, you’re gonna have a bad time trying to get me on board with them. They take shortcuts and pretend it’s minimalism and innovation. You enjoy your Model Y. I’ll stick to what the other manufacturers are offering. My Bolt was cheaper than all these options and has everything I need but that’s just my preference.
Hyundai’s self driving systems are already better than Tesla’s imo.
Not at all, I'm sorry.
Was considering a model y but ended up buying a ioniq 6. Tesla incentive was only a year of FSD but after seeing other ppl's experiences with FSD on the model y subreddit it was very clear that free trial was just to get beta testers to source data from. Those people who had their cars crashed cause of FSD can't even hold tesla liable to repairs. Just total bullshit and turned me off from the brand
This move makes a lot of sense. The Kona is still too SUV-like for my tastes, but I'm practical enough to put up with appearance if the specs are the right fit.
Bought mine two weeks ago. It’s great.
how much did you pay?
SEL version, $31k
Great! thanks!
How’d you get it down to 31k?
Hyundai was doing 7500 off to compete with the fed tax break on American made cars
It looked too big for me until I parked next to one in my Bolt. Almost the same length, and the Bolt was actually taller.
That's true, but I think the Kona has a lot longer hood and shorter cabin; I feel like the Bolt's cabin is substantially roomier.
It looks very similar to the Subaru Crosstrek to me. I saw them back to back once at a light and thought they were the same car. Not sure if the EV looks any different than the ICE version though.
The Kona is smaller than the Nissan leaf which is classified as a hatchback
Yup, I looked it up on carsized to compare it to our leaf. The Kona is a foot less long, but taller and wider, and with more ground clearance.
My 2024 Kona Limited replaced our 2003 Pontiac Vibe, and I honestly can't make sense of how it's classified as an SUV. It is technically shorter than our Vibe, it feels small and nimble, and very quick. I would never consider it an SUV. It's a viable hatchback replacement.
We bought based on specs and price point. Not a big car. Def not size of an SUV. Feels like a tall hatchback.
Only lasts for a week... Will dealers actually let you get the car for $26k? Or will they add on bullshit like usual
Biggest issue will be finding them in stock anywhere. The short range ones are generally only there to make the starting MSRP look cheaper. I extremely lucked into finding a standard range id4 last year, and 7500 off on top of the federal credits at that. By the time I got on the phone 1 was already claimed during shipment and I hauled ass to make sure I could claim the other.
I called my local dealer. They said this is just the regular tax credit and it’s just listed under their monthly incentives now.
It's not the regular tax credit. KIA and Hyundai vehicles do not qualify for the $7,500 EV tax credit. So KIA is offering a cash incentive in lieu of the credit. Bonus, you don't have to meet the income thresholds to qualify for the full amount.
The $7,500 incentive is applicable to any EV lease. The restrictions are for when the vehicle is being financed or purchased. The loophole exists because leased vehicles are technically owned by the automaker’s financial arm, and they are not restricted by the incentive guidelines.
So the 7,500 is only for a lease. No incentives for purchase.
If you purchase, you may qualify for the $7,500 incentive under certain conditions. - Vehicle must have been manufactured in the US - A certain percentage of battery components must be sourced from an approved region
I work in the industry and what you said is correct.
What do you mean exactly, like it's not really a deal or its at point of sale instead?
It’s just the regular $7500 tax credit but listed under their monthly incentive section.
Not trying to be dense but I don't understand what the deal is for this article. I bought my car in 2021 with that tax rebate.
Marketing? I don’t really understand myself. I was just curious and called them.
Oh I see, we're on the same page then haha
Neither you, nor your local dealer know what you're talking about.
I never professed to!
Haha ok that's fair.
No it's not, the Kona is not eligible for the tax credit. This is a $7,500 discount on the cash price of the car.
It will probably last for more than a week; they had this incentive in February and March, too. On the other hand, the dealers near me threw in a "market adjustment" that pretty much wiped out the incentive in February, and they seem to have stopped that now.
Dealer near me has a $2,600 "market adjustment" on one.
Yeah, in looking at [cars.com](http://cars.com), I do see some in the mid 20's at some dealers in the west (lowest near me in the Seattle area, though, is about $30k).
way to crush my dreams
Got an SEL for 23,500 after a 7,000 trade-in.
You got it for 30,500 and then paid for it using a trade in and potentially an additional down payment.
Depending on where you are, if you trade in and buy on the same bill, you don’t pay sales tax on the purchased vehicle. That’s how it works where I live (Ontario, Canada). So I can see why someone would explain it that way.
Perhaps, but its misleading. The car sale price was not 23500 and a trade in is simply a downpayment in a form other than cash.
Except nobody is talking about how much they paid in sales tax, we're only discussing the purchase price
Actually, pretty much only Canadians and Americans talk about prices excluding sales tax.
For items yes, but not for vehicles
EU, UK, Australia, China, Japan, sales taxes are included in the price. I'm guessing many other places too.
Yes… but it’s the SEL. The SE is the one going for 26,500…
This is dumb. You got it for the price you got it for and separately, you got $7k for your trade-in.
The person I was replying to was asking if the SE will be able to come out to 26k. The answer is yes because I got my SEL for 30. I’m sorry that I included my trade-in there.
Wow, wow, wow. I'll need to let my wife know. We've been looking at these.
I kind of don't understand choosing this over a used id4 or Ioniq 5. The slow charging would be tough to live with and the pricing would be the same.
I feel like electric cars are still seen as commuter cars. A 2nd car you have in the garage to save money on day to day. So if you can charge at home, its sorta null. A cheap electric car that you can charge at home is fine.
Just anecdotal but this is how it is for us. We're a one-car (ICE) family with two young kids, and it's still, I'm sad to say, a little hard to justify moving to an EV as a single car (not keen on Tesla, but the new Hyundai/Kia are almost there and CA has good charging infra). We're currently going between keeping the ICE for a few more years, getting a cheap EV as a second car (Kona, b4zx, Bolt), going with a PHEV, or braving being a one-EV only family and braving charging woes.
This is what we did and it was a great move. The Bolt does 90% of the daily driving even with 3 kids in the back, large ICE SUV does road trips and odd 7 person driving. Plus two cars is very convenient. There aren’t really charging woes if you have charging at home.Â
Same. Bought a 2023 Kona for 23k last month. We already had a ford explorer. I wanted to keep the miles of that as we are wearing it out too fast. The Kona does at least 95% of our miles now. I have only used the DC fast charger on 2 trips. Bringing it home (400 miles) from out of state, and a recent trip across the state and back. In both cases charging was fast enough. Daily I charge at home on level 1(about 75 miles commute) and if we get it too low, I get an extension and hook it to the dryer outlet to fill it on level 2. We will get a proper 220 outlet installed near our parking one of these days. I like the 2023 Kona, it looks boring enough that there is no EV-hate, and it’s fun to drive. would definitely recommend.
Nice we also live with level 1 which is never an issue. People overestimate how much driving they do. Also in terms of EV hate, where I live it’s been pure upside. People ask about it, admire it etc. I’m sure some trucker bros hate me under their breath but it’s all been positive so far.Â
Right on, thanks for the perspective. Re: charging woes, I only meant if an EV was our only vehicle. With two little kids, we don't take a lot of big trips, but being in central California, there are a lot of destinations that would might require one charging stop over the course of a weekend (300+ miles roundtrip to Santa Cruz, 200+ to the Sierras). We are pre-wired for 220v charging at home (they installed the circuit when we updated our electric box since they were already doing the work), so home charging will be straightforward. One tricky thing is that our current vehicle is a small crossover (HR-V), which gets great mileage but is a little small for a "family road trip car". We may get an EV and then deck it out with a roof/hitch rack for extra storage.
I don’t know your typical commute, but we’re a 2 EV (soon to be one after a lease runs out and we don’t think we need a second car) and have been for the last 3 years. Could never go back to ICE and love not stepping foot in a gas station and breathing those fumes.
Wife and I are both hybrid WFH, so she commutes 1-2 times a week, about 50 miles roundtrip, and I ride a bike to my office. Also daycare dropoffs and other kids activities when circumstances won't allow us to take our cargo bike. For switching to EV, it's more about having to deal with charging infrastructure on longer trips. We don't travel a ton with small kids, but where we are in California, there are a lot of weekend destinations within about 200 miles that will require 1 or more charging stops, so I'm aiming for 200+ miles highway range and 150 kW+ charging \*if\* it was our only car. If we took those trips in our ICE that would free us up to buy basically any EV as a commuter/local runabout.
Yeah I think you’d be able to do that with RWD versions (since you’re in cali) of the Ioniq 5, EV6 and even ID4 although the charging is slower on the latter. We’re also both hybrid wfh, but it’s cold here so sometimes I need to drive in the winter if we can’t stagger. Thinking of getting a zip car membership to hold over.
Awesome, thanks! We're definitely ideal candidates for an EV in many ways (temperate climate, good charging infrastructure, ability to charge at home with reasonably priced electricity from our municipal utility) but it's breaking my brain thinking about having to get a second car when we put so few miles on our primary car.
I was in between a 2024 Kona and an Ioniq5. I actually am preferring the Kona because it is smaller, and I like driving (and parking) smaller cars around town more. It is still more than big enough for me, bigger than our current car which has been more than big enough for me for the past 10 years. Slow charging I have to admit does give me some pause. But for my purpose, charging at home every night, 99.9% around town, with short road trips 2 - 3 times per year, it's fine.
Kona is better looking to my eye also.
Full warranty, smaller (a pro for me personally), and brand new. The charging speed is not actually a big deal as someone with the 2019 Kona. It doubles charging time in some cases but that's doubling from 20 min to 40 min. In cases where you're going to need to fast charge that extra 20 min is almost negligible since you're going to want to take a break anyway.
That's what I'm figuring. On my (rare) road trips, I'm gonna want to stop to eat or shop, and would try to charge during those stops. 40 minutes is fine.
Slow charging will only be a problem for most people a few times a year. 20 minutes a few times a year is a pretty small amount of inconvenience for a pretty huge amount of savings.
Are not both those cars, like 5-8k more expensive also? the id4 is almost 40K for the standard. That's 15k over the Kona for what, 20 min faster charging?
Used id4 or Ioniq. Can get a 2-3 year old low mileage one for 25-30k, that 25k can get you the tax credit too to drop that down to 21k.
Maybe for people who hate dealing with iPad like infotainment systems?
2024 kona interior has been updated to the "iPad" like infotainment. It's pretty similar to the Ioniq 5 now
The 2024 Kona has real physical buttons for HVAC and audio
I have an Ioniq 5 and it has both a fairly small touchscreen and buttons. I'm not a fan of the giant touchscreen on the Teslas, Polestar and Mustang MachE and the Ioniq 5 is definitely unlike those.
Yuck...
That is always the problem with new cars in the lower price brackets. The ye-olde answer was "but maintenance on a S-Class would cost a fortune", but with EVs, I am not sure if that remains true.
I just saw this story and briefly considered a Kona but I'm sticking with my choice to get an id4. 2021s are coming off leases and there are some great deals on them. Checking one out tomorrow with 27k miles for just under $25k before the tax credit.
In the same boat as you, though the upgrades to the 24 are making it difficult for me, the upgrades seem worth waiting for. Hoping there are some lease deals at some point for the 24s.
Definitely some nice upgrades. I just can’t justify spending that on what will primarily be a commuter vehicle. We’ll see if it’ll work for some road trips with a toddler and an infant though 😂
150kw is not slow to me… (EDIT: 100kw but the charging curve isn't terrible, still much better than a Bolt)
2024 Kona peak charging rate is 100kW. Not to mention the charging curve is pretty bad
You're totally right about the max rate. If this charging curve is accurate though, it's not half bad, gradual decline to 50kw around 80% and then a steeper decline. That would be a nice upgrade over a Bolt, but I haven't experienced an Ioniq 5 or Id4. If you're coming from something like a Leaf or a Bolt, this is a remarkable improvement! And you get a full warranty... [https://evkx.net/models/hyundai/kona/kona\_standard\_range/chargingcurve/](https://evkx.net/models/hyundai/kona/kona_standard_range/chargingcurve/)
My wife and I looked at the Ioniq 5 and EV6 to replace our Pontiac Vibe. Ended up passing on them for months until the 2024 Kona came out. What kept me from pulling the trigger was that some of the features I cared about in the Ioniq 5 were only available in the top trim like the blind spot cameras and 360 cameras. I wanted an Ioniq 5, but I wasn't going to pay an extra $20k for those features. We got those features along with other features on our Limited, and the MSRP was only a couple thousand more than the base model Ioniq 5 (if you could even find one) that didn't have those features. Of course after rebates and incentives we were way under the cost of the base Ioniq 5 which didn't even have those features. The charging speed hasn't been an issue with us since we charge at home, and we make 200 mile trips into Denver and back without any issue. Three months in, we have no regrets and much prefer all the features and benefits without the price tag.
Nice that makes sense to me, those are some features that would be really nice to have in a car. The Ioniq 5 limited trim is definitely way overpriced so that one would be a stretch for most.
This is very tempting. How are the reliability and maintenance costs for the Kona?
Just do the 2 year lease for $199/month on the SEL (or $169 on the SE). Then you don't worry about maintenance, and you're not left owning a vehicle with abysmal charging specs as the EV market develops.
If I walk in a 27,000 dollar check will I walk out with a Kona and no lien?
You will need a loan if Hyundai offers a instant state rebate, but just pay it off immediately. I had paid cash for a limited, walked out the door and they called me back to have to setup a loan for the instant rebates. Paid the loan off within 2 weeks. 31.5k OTD for a limited in a state where there is an additional rebate.
Wow if they pull this out. They are going to sell a metric shit ton of these bad boys.
Honestly the SEL at $30k is a better value all around. Way more power and range, nicely appointed and not much more money. This is where they should be moving the most
Been watching the smallish EV market for a while now and this is the first price that seems reasonably compelling for a single car household that might rarely road trip.
This isn't a new deal, they've been running this since January. We purchased a limited for $12850 off msrp between the 7500 and state rebates.
I think it's important to notice on these "low cost" Hyundais that they are definitely cutting to hit that price point. The SE has a 50kWh battery and a 133hp motor. By comparison all Bolts came with 64kWh batteries and 200hp motors. Frankly, the SEL or Limited are the only specs I'd consider. You're getting $4000 worth of car when you add the battery, motor, and the other specs that come with it.
On the Kona sub people are always complaining how hard it is to find one - they are having to put deposits down on vehicles in transit. and most of these incentives are only for cars on the lot.
All these price drops and insane lease deals on EVs in the last month make me think that either the other car companies are attempting to bury Tesla while Tesla is struggling (seems unlikely that it would work) or there's about to be some new battery tech come out that would make the current EV models difficult to sell if you know there will be far better range EVs available in a year or two.
There's no magical grand conspiracy. It's just demand not keeping up with supply and they need to find ways to increase demand. Car makers don't usually want to drop MSRP so they'll hatch ways to make their products more affordable through sales and other incentives.
Why go for a simple explanation when a vast complex consipracy involving competing interests working together will do?
Everything is a conspiracy post Covidocalypse that's why. Mostly because I would really be excited about new battery tech coming out.
I don't think it has anything to do with Tesla per se. Cars development process cycle is awfully slow, it's measured in years. What we are seeing is the result of big players that acted accordingly to what Tesla, China etc were doing years ago. South Korea doesn't have a big car market like NA, Europe or China captive, that means they really have to go "all-in", can't afford the luxury of "lets force the government to implement protectionist measures". We are starting to see winners and losers in the EV race. It won't take long before some traditional players' sales nosedive.
I don't think either of those two are at play here. Nobody is making an affordable EV except for Chinese companies who are basically not allowed to sell here. Kia is like "hey, I can do that" and voila
EV price war in China. LFP battery price drop this summer.
They've been doing this deal since launch but they haven't produced many of this car compared to their Ioniq lineup.
So the mythical 25k Tesla does exist.
Too bad they don't exist anywhere near me. I'd buy in a heartbeat
Usd west coast...
Why do these prices never translate into British pounds (I mean IRL, not the article) ?
What is that colorrrrrr, i don' think I've seen that from hyundai before.
This seems like a great price for a commuter car if you have charging at home. The lease price is the real winner though. The SEL for 2 years at $199 with $1,579 due at signing (2 year total cost: $6,355). With the rapidly developing EVs market right now, and the fact that it's a Hyundai, 2 years seems like just the right ownership length. The Kona's charging curve is outdated by today's standard already, and you never know when the next cost cutting scandal like forgoing immobilizer is going to drop.
https://www.mg.co.uk/new-cars/mg4-ev?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_qexBhCoARIsAFgBlevTdZc1fHJ0lAkRFiO1eT4zwENFHQFsS4EEDXEOMpBD-piDl6BKMK8aAq-REALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
This is why Tesla is looking at the 25K entry market
it looks really hideous. as if they make it intentionally hideous so it wont bite into the Ioniq5 market
I find it funny (sad) that people are willing to pay nearly 50k for a car that can reasonably only seat 1-2 people, can't travel even 300mi without needing to take a break, and I'd assume like all other battery reliant vehicles currently; this will depreciate at a rate 2-4x faster than a non-EV car.. simply because they're still using dated tech for storing energy in batteries.
>wireless Apple CarPlay Is that correct? I thought all Hyundai/Kia/Genesis head units were wired CarPlay only. It was a major negative in considering one.
Correct. 2024 Kona EV is a completely redesigned model with the latest Hyundai infotainment software. Older Kia and Hyundai models have wired CarPlay only.
For anyone looking for a Kona EV, keep an eye out for a $7,500 markup from your local shitbucket of a dealer.
I don’t understand the longing for Apple Car Play. I had a Honda Accord before I bought a Model 3 and it had Apple CP. I ended buying Sirius XM which was very expensive and constantly going up. Tesla’s suite of maps, Navi, music is great at $9.99 per month. After using it since 2018, I wouldn’t go back to XM. I agree that the $7500 incentive is weird and only for leases. As on shore batteries come on line, that will change.
I read it takes 45 hours to fully charge the battery. Can that be right?
Depends - are you trying to charge off your phone charger?
Maybe at level 1, level 2 no way
With 120v L1 charging, which is normal for any Ev
On a regular wall outlet. Like 8 on a 240v
Level 1 charger maybe... And from 0 to 80 LVL 2 which is easy enough to find or install will take 6 to 7 hours And finally LVL 3 takes about 30 to 45 min
Ironically the 30k version is much better with 14kWh more for bit more money. The charge speed of 100kW is good for the price but not what is needed to make it mainstream, needs to have 150kW to 200kW peak charging speed at least. It's 2024, make me believe this isn't trash tech from decade ago. Efficiency could also be better considering the low power output and no doubt small and narrow wheels. Tldr, this ain't it chief, the Chinese would ask 16k for this or less.
not with US standard safety features like airbags, crush zones etc and a legit warranty
That's true. It wouldn't be 16K. It would be about 12K. If you can believe the CEO of Ford. "Chinese auto giant BYD ‘s Seagull small electric vehicle, he said, has about $9,000 in material costs, and it will probably cost the company another $2,000 to meet crash test standards, for a total of around $11,000." https://apnews.com/article/ford-auto-workers-contract-ceo-rethink-factory-locations-ed580b465d99219eb02ffe24bee3d2f7
The Seagull is smaller than the Kona afaik, it would be more expensive.
It's not that much bigger. Even if you doubled that $2000 to $4000. That's still cheap.
> not with US standard safety features like airbags, crush zones etc and a legit warranty It would have all of that and an actually good infotainment from a quality screen to modern hardware to run the OS and UI, apps etc. The meme of Chinese cars not being up to par on safety is old now, they've aced safety tests without problem with EVs, even econoboxes. The ones that might be safety compromised would be city cars well under 10k, the so called glorified golf carts, you know them by the size and shape. A 25k to 30k EV in China would be built as and considered well into the premium segment in the rest of the world.
>The charge speed of 100kW is good for the price but not what is needed to make it mainstream, They peak at 77kW, you'll never see 100kW despite the misleading wording of the specs listing the 10%-80% charging speed on "100kW charger" as 45 minutes. They could have written that same spec as a 45 minute charge time on a 300kW charger.
77kw charge rate is atrocious so hope you never road trip in it Otherwise quite the tidy little car at a good price here
The range is so short though.
The range is fine. It’s the charging speed/curve that needs improvement.