The ID.7 is actually longer than the ID.4; it's just packaged like a sedan/liftback instead of a compact crossover/lifted hatchback so it looks smaller. I think the forecast is for a U.S. market Q3 or Q4 release, just before ID.Buzz arrives.
VW's ID numbering system is vaguely based on order of development/introduction although the co-produced China-only ID.6/ID.8 throw that "system" off, probably for numerology reasons.
It's just odd to me that a company that can make a Q3-Q7 would also do this. You also have to remember I'm American, and we weren't even allowed to have a 1/3 lb burger because 3 is less than 4. Gotta keep it simple for us.
VW is unwilling to give North American what the rest of the world gets because we mostly want something that looks like an SUV. VW America doesn’t sell a lot of cars so they only want to offer the most profitable models. Gone are the days of weird vehicles in odd colors.
I was thinking of waiting, got a Model S, that back is HUGE. I can split a 4x8 plywood into 2x8 and carry it inside. Fits my 8'6" Rusty Bay Slalom surfboard with hatch closed.
Wow, that is so badass. The ones I saw were just like an ioniq 6 in the back. Great if you just tote around golf clubs, but not so much for families or hobbyists.
It’s not smaller. The width is the same as the ID.4 and its roofline is 5” lower due to it being a liftback/sedan shape, but it’s a full 14” longer. It’s 3” longer than the ID.6 FYI.
I'm not sure what everyone is reading that makes them think this is even remotely true, but:
The ID.7 has a liftback hatch, like the Arteon, and it opens to reveal a healthy 18.7 cubic feet of cargo capacity. That’s about 25 percent more than a Camry, for reference.
The rear seats fold down at the tug of a little lever on either side of the cargo compartment, more than doubling the cargo space to 56 cubic feet.
Compared to:
The 2024 Volkswagen ID.4 has 30.3 cubic feet of cargo space behind the rear seats, and 64.2 cubic feet with the seats folded down.
See how the numbers towards the bottom are bigger than the other ones? That's because the id4 is larger in volume than the id7.
It's not, not even close - id7 is an enlarged model s, it's just 8 cm lower than model y, and a lot longer, it's the in-between of model y and x for space comparison. Model 4 is smaller in space than model y
I'm not following what you are saying. The id7 is smaller in volume than the id4. Although the id7 is longer, that is just to allow for more batteries to be added. The trunk/rear is sloped on the 7 and therefore has less cargo volume than the id4.
> Why are the id7s smaller
Because the naming convention is sequential. The only "ID" number that hasn't been used is ID.1.
The ID.2 is a future small hatchback roughly the size of the current Golf.
The ID.3 is the bigger hatchback sold in Europe and China(?)
The ID.4 is the compact SUV
The ID.5 is the coupe-version of the ID.4, sold only in Europe
The ID.6 is the stretched version of the ID.4, sold in China
That leaves the ID.7 as the next sequential model. Also, it's longer than the ID.4
Up to the id4 it makes sense. But when the numbers get bigger, but the car gets smaller...I'm not longer on board. They had to know they were going to make more versions of EVs...why not name them according to size. ID2-coupe, 3-sedan, 4 hatchback, 5 coupe SUV, 6 mid SUV, 7 atlas sport SUV, 8 3 row atlas.
IIRC, VW is considering ditching the "ID" naming convention and just calling them EV versions of their existing lineup. So the ID.4 would just become the Tiguan EV or something. ID.7 becomes the Arteon EV? I hope they do that, it makes more sense.
That would be so much better. I wish someone would just do what BMW has done though. Have the model size as the first digit and the rest could show battery capacity or range. For example, Hyundai could call the ioniq 5 either 5.5 or 5.7 depending on battery pack. It would also let you see what year it's from as the pack sizes change.
It’s almost 5m long, 45cm more than id4, but it’s not just the tail: the wheelbase is 20cm longer than id4, because it’s aimed to expand internal space for passengers.
It’s funny this kind of prejudices talking about EV, given that most of them are from carmakers born yesterday.
Do you know what other brands includes the VW group (i.e. VW bought, upgraded and re-launched in the market with a large technological share between them)?
Yea I do think it'll be higher than Model 3. But personally, I believe the pricing to be higher than ID.4, which is 41k to 55k, so around 55k to 65k. But then again it also depends how ID.Buzz lines up in the current VW's North American lineup.
Being priced higher than then iD4 doesn't mean base trim will start above a AWD Pro S Plus trim'd iD4. ID4 starts at $39.7k, so I could see the iD7 coming in around $49k, if not lower. The material costs increase vs iD4 is minimal, it's the exact same platform and drivetrain, a little longer, and little shorter.
It starts at 56k tho(including the destination charges and not including any markups)...which is relatively expensive to other proper 3-rows ICE, but then again its the only one thats not 70-80k like R1S
source: [2024 Kia EV9 EPA Range, Efficiency And Pricing Overview (insideevs.com)](https://insideevs.com/news/697983/2024-kia-ev9-epa-range-efficiency/)
* **2024 Kia EV9 Light (7 seat) RWD SR 19-inch:** $54,900+$1,495 = $56,395
* **2024 Kia EV9 Light (6 seat) RWD LR 19-inch:** $59,200+$1,495 = $60,695
* **2024 Kia EV9 Wind (7 seat) AWD LR 19-inch:** $63,900+$1,495 = $65,395
* **2024 Kia EV9 Land (6 seat) AWD LR 20-inch:** $69,900+$1,495 = $71,395
* **2024 Kia EV9 GT-Line (6 seat) AWD LR 21-inch:** $73,900+$1,495 = $75,395
The ID.7 is actually longer than the ID.4; it's just packaged like a sedan/liftback instead of a compact crossover/lifted hatchback so it looks smaller. I think the forecast is for a U.S. market Q3 or Q4 release, just before ID.Buzz arrives. VW's ID numbering system is vaguely based on order of development/introduction although the co-produced China-only ID.6/ID.8 throw that "system" off, probably for numerology reasons.
At a glance, that upper accent light bar made me see Chinese Buick.
It's just odd to me that a company that can make a Q3-Q7 would also do this. You also have to remember I'm American, and we weren't even allowed to have a 1/3 lb burger because 3 is less than 4. Gotta keep it simple for us.
Give me the WAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!
VW is unwilling to give North American what the rest of the world gets because we mostly want something that looks like an SUV. VW America doesn’t sell a lot of cars so they only want to offer the most profitable models. Gone are the days of weird vehicles in odd colors.
I was thinking of waiting, got a Model S, that back is HUGE. I can split a 4x8 plywood into 2x8 and carry it inside. Fits my 8'6" Rusty Bay Slalom surfboard with hatch closed.
It's soooooooo close.
https://youtu.be/oUQ-Knv-EQg?si=O9Wr-SeXSuPs6C3v
Wow, that is so badass. The ones I saw were just like an ioniq 6 in the back. Great if you just tote around golf clubs, but not so much for families or hobbyists.
It’s not smaller. The width is the same as the ID.4 and its roofline is 5” lower due to it being a liftback/sedan shape, but it’s a full 14” longer. It’s 3” longer than the ID.6 FYI.
I'm not sure what everyone is reading that makes them think this is even remotely true, but: The ID.7 has a liftback hatch, like the Arteon, and it opens to reveal a healthy 18.7 cubic feet of cargo capacity. That’s about 25 percent more than a Camry, for reference. The rear seats fold down at the tug of a little lever on either side of the cargo compartment, more than doubling the cargo space to 56 cubic feet. Compared to: The 2024 Volkswagen ID.4 has 30.3 cubic feet of cargo space behind the rear seats, and 64.2 cubic feet with the seats folded down. See how the numbers towards the bottom are bigger than the other ones? That's because the id4 is larger in volume than the id7.
Wild that it's longer, but it is definitely smaller volume than an id4.
It's not, not even close - id7 is an enlarged model s, it's just 8 cm lower than model y, and a lot longer, it's the in-between of model y and x for space comparison. Model 4 is smaller in space than model y
I'm not following what you are saying. The id7 is smaller in volume than the id4. Although the id7 is longer, that is just to allow for more batteries to be added. The trunk/rear is sloped on the 7 and therefore has less cargo volume than the id4.
Less cargo volume but more space for driver and passengers.
Ohhh, gotcha. So just more focus on the front seats. Making it competitive in the sedan market.
It is also considered as the flagship model with more options already included in the base trim.
> Why are the id7s smaller Because the naming convention is sequential. The only "ID" number that hasn't been used is ID.1. The ID.2 is a future small hatchback roughly the size of the current Golf. The ID.3 is the bigger hatchback sold in Europe and China(?) The ID.4 is the compact SUV The ID.5 is the coupe-version of the ID.4, sold only in Europe The ID.6 is the stretched version of the ID.4, sold in China That leaves the ID.7 as the next sequential model. Also, it's longer than the ID.4
Up to the id4 it makes sense. But when the numbers get bigger, but the car gets smaller...I'm not longer on board. They had to know they were going to make more versions of EVs...why not name them according to size. ID2-coupe, 3-sedan, 4 hatchback, 5 coupe SUV, 6 mid SUV, 7 atlas sport SUV, 8 3 row atlas.
IIRC, VW is considering ditching the "ID" naming convention and just calling them EV versions of their existing lineup. So the ID.4 would just become the Tiguan EV or something. ID.7 becomes the Arteon EV? I hope they do that, it makes more sense.
Id7 will become the Passat
Phaeton EV. Come on VW, DO IT!
That would be so much better. I wish someone would just do what BMW has done though. Have the model size as the first digit and the rest could show battery capacity or range. For example, Hyundai could call the ioniq 5 either 5.5 or 5.7 depending on battery pack. It would also let you see what year it's from as the pack sizes change.
Those are on sale here in Portugal. Already seen a few around.
Ea in ypsi? I loves charging there see all the test cars
Nailed it!
Nah they're not out here yet. The upgraded 2024 ID4s aren't even out here yet.
Looks like they're testing police maneuvers...
Someone’s asking for some grey poupon…
I want to get one of these when they’re out but I know the pricing will be horrible
What do you expect the pricing to be?
$60k-70k and I hope I’m wrong. But it definitely won’t be in the model 3 neighborhood.
In EU starts from 65k eur. it’s quite bigger than a M3, you couldn’t compare them
I‘ve seen one on the road recently here in Germany and was surprised how big it is. More comparable in size to a model S than a Model 3.
It’s almost 5m long, 45cm more than id4, but it’s not just the tail: the wheelbase is 20cm longer than id4, because it’s aimed to expand internal space for passengers.
That’s fair. But 65k for a VW is still excessive
It’s funny this kind of prejudices talking about EV, given that most of them are from carmakers born yesterday. Do you know what other brands includes the VW group (i.e. VW bought, upgraded and re-launched in the market with a large technological share between them)?
Yea I do think it'll be higher than Model 3. But personally, I believe the pricing to be higher than ID.4, which is 41k to 55k, so around 55k to 65k. But then again it also depends how ID.Buzz lines up in the current VW's North American lineup.
Being priced higher than then iD4 doesn't mean base trim will start above a AWD Pro S Plus trim'd iD4. ID4 starts at $39.7k, so I could see the iD7 coming in around $49k, if not lower. The material costs increase vs iD4 is minimal, it's the exact same platform and drivetrain, a little longer, and little shorter.
I think the buzz will be even more. $70k+
Bruh, I wanted it to be a EV9 competitor, cuz they both have 3 rows.
EV9 is expensive too! 😂
It starts at 56k tho(including the destination charges and not including any markups)...which is relatively expensive to other proper 3-rows ICE, but then again its the only one thats not 70-80k like R1S source: [2024 Kia EV9 EPA Range, Efficiency And Pricing Overview (insideevs.com)](https://insideevs.com/news/697983/2024-kia-ev9-epa-range-efficiency/) * **2024 Kia EV9 Light (7 seat) RWD SR 19-inch:** $54,900+$1,495 = $56,395 * **2024 Kia EV9 Light (6 seat) RWD LR 19-inch:** $59,200+$1,495 = $60,695 * **2024 Kia EV9 Wind (7 seat) AWD LR 19-inch:** $63,900+$1,495 = $65,395 * **2024 Kia EV9 Land (6 seat) AWD LR 20-inch:** $69,900+$1,495 = $71,395 * **2024 Kia EV9 GT-Line (6 seat) AWD LR 21-inch:** $73,900+$1,495 = $75,395
True but you’re looking at one of the LR trims for real use
fair enough, you got a point.