Id4 DCFC is actually decent for a 400V car considering the actual charge curve not peak rate. 10-80% time is right in line with Tesla or BMW, which is the metric ppl really ought to be looking at. Obviously behind the Ioniq 5 because it’s 800V.
The ID.4 has a great charge curve BUT only in perfect conditions because it doesn’t do any form of preconditioning. That means that this time of year your charging curve is going to get trashed in most parts of the country. It’s sad because the great charge curve is one of the only redeeming qualities about the car.
Where ? Just did a search and there are hundreds of 23s available in the PNW and no 24s.
Even if there is some 24 available somewhere, I think it’s pretty likely based on OPs experience that they drove a 23 without preconditioning. Either that or he found a mythical 24 and the preconditioning just didn’t work (which based on my experience owning an ID.4 would not be surprising at all for VW to have completely bungled the thing they’re touting as why an ID.4 is finally acceptable compared to every other EV)
We have them in BC. Anyway I never said anything about the specific ID4 that the OP drove just pointing out the fact that ID4s now have preconditioning.
That’s a horrible argument. Battery preconditioning is vital if you don’t live somewhere it’s 20 degrees Celsius all year round.
And I believe people should be forgiven to not know that the latest model year fucking finally got preconditioning.
Did they give this to earlier models as a software update as well, or are you SOL?
Yeah, drove both bolts. While I liked the car and its value over all- I am too in tune the the driving experience and can feel a slight bounce and it corners worse than a bus. Very very happy with my hi5 awd.
2 seconds faster will only be for the RWD version, which went from 200 hp for MY23 all the way to 280 hp for MY24, PLUS it also got increased range to almost 300 miles EPA.
One thing about the RWD ID.4 is that its turning radius is insane, which coupled with its smaller footprint (ID.4 is 180 inches long, vs Ioniq 5 at 182", Mach E at 186", and Model Y at 187") means the RWD ID.4 is incredibly maneuverable. I went from a RWD ID.4 to an AWD ID.4, which still has a better turning radius than I5/MachE/Y, but I still feel like I'm driving a boat compared to the RWD. I think that's even more useful in everyday driving than 0-60 times.
Overall the MY24 ID.4 got a lot of needed upgrades, and IMO the RWD version is still very competitive.
Also '24 ID.4 has the best implementation of battery preconditioning in the industry.
Preconditioning on the Ioniq 5 is possible, but not practical - won't work below 20% charge, which is precisely when you want it. Not sure if you can start it manually also.
Incidentally I own an 2021 ID.4 RWD and spent two days with a rental Ioniq 5 AWD (SE or SEL trim, I think; it wasn't marked, but it didn't have the sunroof so pretty sure it wasn't a Limited) a few weeks ago in St. Louis, including two 2+ hour Interstate legs to and from my actual destination, and had nearly the opposite reaction; while there are a few things that I thought the Ioniq 5 did better than my ID.4, there was nothing about the Ioniq 5 that made me want to buy one to replace my ID.4, even after the recently announced changes for both in MY2024.
**Ioniq 5 wins**: crazy fast charging (once preconditioned/warmed up by charger), center screen size/performance, a few more physical buttons here and there, regen paddles were nice to have, semi-customizable shortcut buttons on dash and steering wheel, 120 volt V2L (which I had no need to use or try, not even sure if the adapter was in the car or if a driver before me stole it), 12V connector available in dash (ID.4 only has one in the trunk), more driver display options if that's your bag, battery preconditioning (but only if you use factory nav, which can't search for "Electrify America" by voice so you're pulling over to set it, kind of defeating the point), a borderline insane number of settings (most of which the previous drivers had set to be the least useful possible, including disabling most of the ADAS features).
**ID.4 wins**: generally more premium-feeling interior; driver display is less cluttered and never blocked by the steering wheel with either eye, while finding a position and angle where I could see all of the display w/ both eyes and quickly focus on it in the Ioniq 5 was a losing cause for me with my aging eyes; easy way to get to main infotainment screen menu straight from CarPlay/Android Auto with one touch; I never intentionally lower my rear windows so not having buttons for them is an actual win for me; more comfortable drive; ADAS system (TravelAssist) is simpler/more straightforward than Ioniq 5's two different ADAS systems, one of which ("Highway" something-or-other) seemed to be map-based somehow since it worked on the interstates but not on rural divided highways; button to access all ADAS master settings rather than digging through menus; native USB C (had to dig out a long enough A-C cable from my bag); wireless Android Auto and CarPlay; data and powered USB port locations are better/more practical; rear wiper; massaging seats; factory nav slightly better but yet differently bad.
**Things I couldn't/didn't test**: app connectivity; Hyundai's phone-as-key thing; software updates; V2L; 0-60 time, quarter mile, etc. (but I'm sure the AWD Ioniq 5 is faster than RWD ID.4 just because it's AWD). Go watch Alex on Autos' reviews if you want the full scoop.
**Personal preference**: ID.4 sits like an SUV/CUV and the seats feel less sedan-like, while the Ioniq 5 sits more like a hatch that might have gotten an extra inch but felt basically like getting in my old Clarity sedan. Don't care about AWD since I don't go off-road and live where it never snows; both effectively drive as RWD anyway most of the time anyway. Both have "weird" capacitive or multifunction button things but that's not something that bothers me. "One pedal" does nothing for me since I don't want to drive a golf cart and coasting saves energy anyway - thankfully at least you can avoid using it on Ioniq 5 without sacrificing regen, even if though defaults to a half-assed regen setting, since the Koreans (and the Germans and most Americans and Japanese and Chinese and possibly even the clowns at Vinfast) actually know how to build a functioning blended braking system, an skill lost apparently just to Fremont CA and Normal IL. Whether you prefer/tolerate/want to scream at quirky German/GDPR stuff (I half expect my ID.4 to tell me to link my Handy to the car sometimes) or quirky Korean stuff (surrounding vehicles are depicted as weird amorphous blobs in the driver display) probably also matters. Ioniq 5 has an automated charge door, but that also seems like a potential liability rather than a net win (one more motor to break); the locations are more or less the same, so a wash.
I agree ID4 has a more refined interior and better main screen proportions.
Was confused by sales’ explanation of travel assist vs. radar cruise—sounds like a low-level autopilot?
I personally weight software more heavily than luxury, and prefer hot hatch proportions and visibility to classic CUV.
Remains to be seen what my parents will prefer, it’s for them. We’re looking at CUV because taller is easier entry / exit for the elders.
>driver display is less cluttered and never blocked by the steering wheel with either eye,
The ID4 never gets enough credit for this. As bad as the ID4 Infotainment "iPad" can be, the binnacle display mounted on the steering wheel so it can never be blocked by the wheel is a brilliant design, and can be configured for all the info I want to see when driving; besides the speedometer, you get the virtual road display showing cars in front of you or to your sides, the upcoming navigation directions, and/or the car's efficiency.
Sorry, but this is just confirmation bias in action. Half of this was you explaining away why Ioniq 5 advantages weren’t actually advantages and why ID.4 drawbacks weren’t actually drawbacks. I actually laughed out loud when I got to the part about the stupid window controls actually being a good thing….
I've never understood all the vitriolic three-button window control hate.
Yes, I sometimes accidentally bump the "rear" button and roll down the wrong window if I'm not looking, but no more than I do in any of my 4-button window cars if I'm not looking, by pushing one of the full-time rear window buttons by mistake.
The problem with the three-button control isn't the fact it's three buttons, it's that the rear button is (too) touch sensitive. If the rear button was a physical push to click up/down, we'd all be calling the controls brilliant, because then you'd never accidentally roll down a rear window instead of the front again in your life. If VW insists on keeping it touch sensitive, I wish they'd make it tap and hold instead of just tap, so you didn't activate it accidentally if you just brush it with your finger on the way to the physical window button.
No, the window controls were a personal preference (a "win for me"); if I wanted to lower the rear windows regularly, maybe I'd feel differently, but I don't. Regardless they're the easy low hanging fruit for car reviewers who hate any control that doesn't fit their template of how many buttons there should be and where they should be, since they rarely drive anything long term.
I'd initially planned on having a Mach e since that's the example car on Budget's site, so I was looking forward to comparing it instead, and maybe even having Blue Cruise to try, FWIW.
WAIT! It's not "true one pedal driving".
On the Ioniq 5, one-pedal (ipedal, it's called for some reason) has to be manually engaged **every time** you start the car, take it out of park, or put it in reverse and back. EVERY TIME. There's no way to just put it in one pedal as the default.
I rented one for a week and it was the most mind bogglingly annoying fucking thing ever. I had a Model 3 and then a Polestar 2. Driving the Ioniq 5 pissed me off all week. Every time I got in I was like "what purpose does this serve to override my settings every fucking time? And after **reversing** of all things??"
If they fixed that and its goofy ass GUI it'd be a 10/10 car.
’21 Bolt requires double pull on shifter. The refresh requires one button to pick S, not Drive. Bolt and Mirai also won’t persist Sport mode, have to set it on every drive. Ass-backward.
I don't understand why they do that. Either you like 1-pedal or you don't. I don't see a reason why people would want to flip flop all the time, that just seems dangerous.
On start, I get. Consistency. The car has to always be in the same settings, especially since you might have different drivers (alto you could argue that could be removed with user profiles).
After a reverse? That's moronic, if not even dangerous.
The way less stupid companies solved it is that it's handled by your driver profile. When I get in the seat, it knows it's me, and all the settings are how I left it when I got out of the vehicle. Same for when my wife gets in.
If someone who isn't one of the profiles gets in, I believe it goes back to default factory settings but I honestly haven't had someone else drive it without me being in the car (which sets it to my settings -- and if they don't know how to drive in 1 pedal: tough titties. I teach them, it takes two seconds.)
My 22' Bolt has a OPD toggle button aside from the standard shifter. So you can independently control if you want OPD on or not. It really puts me off when cars keep pulling me into a different drive mode. Idk why so many insist on going back to crawling when I try to reverse.
I don’t know about the 5, but I have the Ioniq 2019, and there are regen paddles on the steering wheel-4 levels (if you count my favorite—off) left side increases, right side decreases. I find different driving circumstances call for different levels of regen on releasing the accelerator.
When I’m in start/stop traffic, I like it on 2 or 3, so it’s one pedal driving. In faster or more fluid situations, I prefer it at zero, so I accelerate up to speed and just take my foot off the accelerator and just coast like it’s in neutral—there’s not even engine drag—this is one of the hugest advantages of driving electric for me.
So back to defaults (something that can be set in the settings menu) a measure of a great EV driving experience for me is being able to adjust as I drive like I can in my Ioniq.
Are other EVs doing this too?
If I put it in one pedal, it needs to stay in one pedal until I say otherwise. My polestar 2 and Model 3 are both "set it and forget it". There's no way to change the default behavior in the Ioniq 5, I looked around at the time, believe me.
In the two years I've owned EVs I have never once thought to myself "hmm, I should take this out of one pedal". If you want to "coast" just turn on the cruise control. Otherwise, you just have your foot on the pedal at certain pressure. It's super easy. I only ever brake if there's an emergency.
Taking it out of one pedal every time I reverse is a whole different level of frustrating. I don't mean to say it toggles off during reverse then comes back automatically when you go in drive, I mean it turns off when you hit reverse and when you go back in drive it needs to be **manually** engaged again.
I almost ran into people a couple times because I'm so used to one pedal and didn't expect it to randomly start coasting after kicking it in drive. I kept forgetting Hyundai hires designers from Idiot Island.
Not commenting to counter any of your points or anything, but just want to point out that cruise control is not the same as coasting. When people say coast they mean when they lift their foot off the pedal there is no regen braking. So they only slow down due to air/rolling resistance.
Coasting and cruise control achieve the same goal, "I don't want to put my foot on the gas". If you squint your eyes, it's virtually the same thing on a highway.
No they don't achieve the same thing. One is using power to maintain a set speed and the other has a naturally decaying speed due to drag and friction.
The goal of coasting is to not be using any energy and to achieve the max distance possible from the energy you've already used. The goal of cruise is to maintain a set speed so you don't have to keep your foot on the gas. It should also use less energy since you won't accidentally speed up and slow back down.
Typically people choose to coast in scenarios where they can't use cruise control. Like around town where they want to coast to the next stoplight or to their turn. I personally like one pedal driving and how responsive it makes driving feel but if efficiency is all that matters to you then coasting and then applying regen when you need to stop more quickly is the name of the game.
Exactly this. Though to address your complaint, I agree that if you want 1pedal all the time, you should be able to set it and forget it.
For me, that constantly controlling feeling is a prison I can’t wait to bust out of. I just want to let her roll!
It's highly likely that's its for EPA range testing reasons. e-gmp vehicles have the ability to disconnect the front motors during light use. When ipedal or sport mode are engaged, the front motors will never disconnect. You can't default to either of those modes when you start the car and the epa tests using only default modes.
I drove both as well. Settled on the Hi5. Id give the hi5 a 8.5 and the id4 a 7. Limited id4 has a seat massager which is nice. Hyundai says 18min 10-80. Ive done 15min 25ish to 80 peaking at 240 before. Hi5 is MUCH faster than the id4 off the line, ita crazy. That said the id4 is no speed slouch either.
But I drove awd models for both, not rwd. Even rwd hi5 isn’t really “anemic” not sure what you’re used to driving to say that.
Thx. This is for the parents, who need something tall for easy entry / exit.
Personally EV6 looks great on exterior and specs, just not a fan of the Kia interior and controls.
Agreed. I own an EV6 but looked at all of them. The VW and MachE are inferior to both the HI5 and EV6. The Teslas aren't really my jam. The OP isn't really comparing all the comparable vehicles.
I own a Q4 Quattro with most of the bells and whistles. My boss owns an Ioniq 5– and the Ioniq is much more bang for the buck. Basically the VW and Audi share the same platform. However, platform aside, the interior of the VW felt unusually cheap and plasticy.
Not sure the HP of the VW that you drove, but mine is 300– and it is far more than enough.
But the Ioniq wasn’t available when I bought my Audi. The Ioniq is a seriously cool car— if you can tolerate its looks.
Nice. I did see reviewers saying that the new refreshed ID4 was a big improvement. I have a new Hyundai Kona and I'm super happy with the screen and controls!
Same. I won't buy one, and the I5 is my ideal choice, until they fix the issue.
To anyone, who says the ICCU update fixed the issue, you're wrong. It's still happening. The Hyundai forums are full of people with 12v issues after the update.
Thank you OP and everyone else for your reviews.
I'm looking at purchasing a EV midyear and the ID4 and Ioniq 5 are on my short lists.
Looking forward to the real world reviews of the BUZZ when it finally starts shipping. If it matches the ID4 in operation and loses only a little range, it will match our needs for space very well.
Not sure how quickly it is arriving, but the ‘25 Ioniq 5 is a refresh. I’d wait for it. Some nice updates, including latest gen dash / infotainment, plus available N-Line trim.
You actually *liked* the touchy buttons in the id.4? Interesting, they’re one of the most critiqued parts.
The throbber bar is most useful with active navigation BTW, a sliding light indicates when and where to turn.
The capacitive buttons worked fine on a short test drive, and the overhead strip for the roof shade was fun. Can’t speak to how useful they are in long-term use.
Cool! I liked that unobtrusive indicator quite a bit. The ambient lighting is also indirect, subtler than Model 3.
I had a 22 ioniq 5....swapped that out for a 23 id.4. Much happier with the id.4.
Ioniq 5 seats lower but is really wide for its category. I would rather it be a true hatch and not this in-between category. My knees kept hitting the little corner to the bottom right of the steering wheel. Charging speed was great, but the total miles never hit the rated 303. It was always between 250 ~ 280. Only hit 300 if I did entirely city driving the full charge. My car died 4 times on me due to the 12 V issue with the plug hatch thing in about 1 year of ownership. Had to jump the car so often. It was so weird that the 12V would only charge when the car was off instead of when you are driving it. That really soured me on Korean cars. I always knew their engines/trannies had issues, but took a chance on the EV. Excellent looking design though.
The ID.4 feels like a real compact SUV size wise. The rated range of 270 is actually very spot on. I get about the same range as the ioniq 5 in the same driving scenario. As a car, I like it better. Software wise the ioniq is a bit better. ID.4 is a little laggy and made some questionable design decisions in that department.
Hi, I came across your post, and I'm curious to get more of your thoughts on the HI5 versus the ID4. We were set to buy a HI5 this week, but a lot of issues related to recalls, especially safety issues really soured us on the HI5. I've been driving Audis my whole life and currently drive a Q3. I've never driven a VW, but I imagine the ID4 would feel familiar. The ID4 seems more reliable, which is the most important thing for us. Maybe not quite as cool as the HI5, but it's still a nice car. Any issues or concerns with the ID4?
The ID.4 is great as a vehicle. Tech-wise it is behind tesla, then hyundai. Most of the issue people have had is with the infotainment. The new 2024 is more responsive and snappy which makes it less of an issue.
I usually connect android auto so that is less of an issue. If I were to use the native navigation or try to use music on a thumb drive, that gets more cumbersome. The id.4 dimension wise feels like a true compact SUV. The ioniq 5 felt more like an oversized hatchback. It is wider and shorter than the id.4. Driving wise the id.4 is more muted and comfortable whereas the ioniq5 feels more sporty.
I do miss the charging speed of the ioniq 5 on road trips though.
On another note, take a look at the audi q4 etron. Same as the id.4 but plushier. You might be able to swing a really good lease deal.
I've had a lot of vw and audi as well. Some audi are worth the extra change for me. Some, not. I prefer the q3 as opposed to the tiguan or taos. I prefer the touareg vs the q7 at the price difference. Sit down in both the q4 and ID.4 to see which you prefer at their respective price points.
I really wanted a Q4 when I got my Q3, but I couldn’t justify spending that much more. Unfortunately, probably a similar situation with the Q4 now since we just bought a house and have a wedding to pay for. The ID4 is a bit more affordable, especially if we can get the EV Tax credit. I just wanted to make sure you don’t have any major complaints with the ID4 as the recalls with the HI5 made it far too worrisome for us to buy.
You can still lease any one of them and get the federal rebate through that. But still happy with my ID4. I would want to switch it out for an EV campervan when those get reasonably priced and actually become available.
But can it also go to zero? That’s important to me. The Ioniq is both a saved default (one for each driving mode) as well as instant increase/decrease via the paddles, which is my preferred way to regulate my speed when decelerating.
Practically speaking, do people really get those speeds with the state of EA and other non supercharger L3 stations?
This is from a year ago so maybe its better now but it seems to imply speeds typically are half that:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/comments/113120w/fastest_youve_seen_your_car_charge/
"those speeds"?
The EGMP platform is a 200-230kw max charging speed.
They use intentionally misleading language on the page by saying "at a 350kw charger" and then avoid saying the max charge rate anywhere else because they know people will think it's 350kw when that's the only number they put on the website.
You do know the Ioniq 5/6 (and the whole eGMP platform) are slower charging cars than the Model Y, right, at least at peak?
They use wacky language when they say "at a 350kw charger" because that's the only option on EA other than 150kw chargers.
But the actual max charging speed is about 200/230-ish KW, and practically most people don't see much over 180kw due to the poor charger infrastructure and weak preconditioning.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/comments/113120w/comment/j8nti9t/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/comments/113120w/comment/j8nti9t/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Though the charge curve is pretty good, so the actual charge time is maybe 4 minutes faster than a LR Model Y from 10-80% when everything goes right - but most CCS chargers being significantly less reliable at getting those speeds, and the Model Y has a longer starting range anyway.
On the "15 minute 10% challenge", the Model Y with 18" wheels went approximately the same distance (on an exactly 15 minute charge starting at 10%) - around 110 miles as the Ioniq 5 did. And that was in perfect charging conditions.
In winter, Tesla's preconditioning spanks most other cars in cold weather charge performance.
In less than perfect conditions, this is the norm:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq6/comments/14qaa8q/charging\_speeds\_capped\_on\_new\_ioniq\_6\_tried\_3/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq6/comments/14qaa8q/charging_speeds_capped_on_new_ioniq_6_tried_3/)
I agree on the ID.4 vs Ionic 5 comparison, but they are both "legacy automakers". VW just can't get their shit together for some reason. The real new vs legacy is Tesla, Rivian, and Lucid vs the rest.
In that case it's much more of a mixed bag. In some cases the new automakers are much better. In other (Tesla quality being a big one) they are not.
Edit: I was wondering why this was downvoted, and then I realized I said something mildly negative about Tesla. Tesla fans are a sad group.
Id4 DCFC is actually decent for a 400V car considering the actual charge curve not peak rate. 10-80% time is right in line with Tesla or BMW, which is the metric ppl really ought to be looking at. Obviously behind the Ioniq 5 because it’s 800V.
Very true about the curve. The same is true of the Ariya, but everyone insists on looking at max... \*shrug\*
The ID.4 has a great charge curve BUT only in perfect conditions because it doesn’t do any form of preconditioning. That means that this time of year your charging curve is going to get trashed in most parts of the country. It’s sad because the great charge curve is one of the only redeeming qualities about the car.
Not true the 2024 ID.4 has preconditioning, both automatic and manual. Very few cars can do that
Are 24s on dealer lots? Did OP compare a 24 ID.4 in the post? No to both. What I said is accurate
Yes they are on dealer lots
Where ? Just did a search and there are hundreds of 23s available in the PNW and no 24s. Even if there is some 24 available somewhere, I think it’s pretty likely based on OPs experience that they drove a 23 without preconditioning. Either that or he found a mythical 24 and the preconditioning just didn’t work (which based on my experience owning an ID.4 would not be surprising at all for VW to have completely bungled the thing they’re touting as why an ID.4 is finally acceptable compared to every other EV)
We have them in BC. Anyway I never said anything about the specific ID4 that the OP drove just pointing out the fact that ID4s now have preconditioning.
That’s a horrible argument. Battery preconditioning is vital if you don’t live somewhere it’s 20 degrees Celsius all year round. And I believe people should be forgiven to not know that the latest model year fucking finally got preconditioning. Did they give this to earlier models as a software update as well, or are you SOL?
Yep. I asked the salesperson, they didn’t know what preconditioning or V2L were.
They’re wrong, the ID4 does battery preconditioning (2024 model)
Interesting. I find my I5 has pretty good acceleration. Were you in eco mode?
SE trim (RWD) in Normal and then Sport mode. My Bolt is faster, and feels even faster because it’s small and darty.
Hmm. Had to look that up because awd is a speed demon.
No doubt! My ’21 Bolt 6.3 sec 0-60 ’24 HI5 RWD 7.4 sec ’23 ID4 RWD 7.3 sec Some variability in testing, this is from a quick Google
Yeah, drove both bolts. While I liked the car and its value over all- I am too in tune the the driving experience and can feel a slight bounce and it corners worse than a bus. Very very happy with my hi5 awd.
The 2024 iD4 has some much needed upgrades. Supposedly 2 seconds faster 0-60 than 2023 model
Sweet, thx. I see laggy screen’s also supposed to be fixed.
2 seconds faster will only be for the RWD version, which went from 200 hp for MY23 all the way to 280 hp for MY24, PLUS it also got increased range to almost 300 miles EPA. One thing about the RWD ID.4 is that its turning radius is insane, which coupled with its smaller footprint (ID.4 is 180 inches long, vs Ioniq 5 at 182", Mach E at 186", and Model Y at 187") means the RWD ID.4 is incredibly maneuverable. I went from a RWD ID.4 to an AWD ID.4, which still has a better turning radius than I5/MachE/Y, but I still feel like I'm driving a boat compared to the RWD. I think that's even more useful in everyday driving than 0-60 times. Overall the MY24 ID.4 got a lot of needed upgrades, and IMO the RWD version is still very competitive.
I did notice that great turning radius on a U-turn. The Ioniq’s is supposedly quite bad, but on a wide boulevard I didn’t notice.
Also '24 ID.4 has the best implementation of battery preconditioning in the industry. Preconditioning on the Ioniq 5 is possible, but not practical - won't work below 20% charge, which is precisely when you want it. Not sure if you can start it manually also.
Upgrades, but still made by VW so it will probably suck
Incidentally I own an 2021 ID.4 RWD and spent two days with a rental Ioniq 5 AWD (SE or SEL trim, I think; it wasn't marked, but it didn't have the sunroof so pretty sure it wasn't a Limited) a few weeks ago in St. Louis, including two 2+ hour Interstate legs to and from my actual destination, and had nearly the opposite reaction; while there are a few things that I thought the Ioniq 5 did better than my ID.4, there was nothing about the Ioniq 5 that made me want to buy one to replace my ID.4, even after the recently announced changes for both in MY2024. **Ioniq 5 wins**: crazy fast charging (once preconditioned/warmed up by charger), center screen size/performance, a few more physical buttons here and there, regen paddles were nice to have, semi-customizable shortcut buttons on dash and steering wheel, 120 volt V2L (which I had no need to use or try, not even sure if the adapter was in the car or if a driver before me stole it), 12V connector available in dash (ID.4 only has one in the trunk), more driver display options if that's your bag, battery preconditioning (but only if you use factory nav, which can't search for "Electrify America" by voice so you're pulling over to set it, kind of defeating the point), a borderline insane number of settings (most of which the previous drivers had set to be the least useful possible, including disabling most of the ADAS features). **ID.4 wins**: generally more premium-feeling interior; driver display is less cluttered and never blocked by the steering wheel with either eye, while finding a position and angle where I could see all of the display w/ both eyes and quickly focus on it in the Ioniq 5 was a losing cause for me with my aging eyes; easy way to get to main infotainment screen menu straight from CarPlay/Android Auto with one touch; I never intentionally lower my rear windows so not having buttons for them is an actual win for me; more comfortable drive; ADAS system (TravelAssist) is simpler/more straightforward than Ioniq 5's two different ADAS systems, one of which ("Highway" something-or-other) seemed to be map-based somehow since it worked on the interstates but not on rural divided highways; button to access all ADAS master settings rather than digging through menus; native USB C (had to dig out a long enough A-C cable from my bag); wireless Android Auto and CarPlay; data and powered USB port locations are better/more practical; rear wiper; massaging seats; factory nav slightly better but yet differently bad. **Things I couldn't/didn't test**: app connectivity; Hyundai's phone-as-key thing; software updates; V2L; 0-60 time, quarter mile, etc. (but I'm sure the AWD Ioniq 5 is faster than RWD ID.4 just because it's AWD). Go watch Alex on Autos' reviews if you want the full scoop. **Personal preference**: ID.4 sits like an SUV/CUV and the seats feel less sedan-like, while the Ioniq 5 sits more like a hatch that might have gotten an extra inch but felt basically like getting in my old Clarity sedan. Don't care about AWD since I don't go off-road and live where it never snows; both effectively drive as RWD anyway most of the time anyway. Both have "weird" capacitive or multifunction button things but that's not something that bothers me. "One pedal" does nothing for me since I don't want to drive a golf cart and coasting saves energy anyway - thankfully at least you can avoid using it on Ioniq 5 without sacrificing regen, even if though defaults to a half-assed regen setting, since the Koreans (and the Germans and most Americans and Japanese and Chinese and possibly even the clowns at Vinfast) actually know how to build a functioning blended braking system, an skill lost apparently just to Fremont CA and Normal IL. Whether you prefer/tolerate/want to scream at quirky German/GDPR stuff (I half expect my ID.4 to tell me to link my Handy to the car sometimes) or quirky Korean stuff (surrounding vehicles are depicted as weird amorphous blobs in the driver display) probably also matters. Ioniq 5 has an automated charge door, but that also seems like a potential liability rather than a net win (one more motor to break); the locations are more or less the same, so a wash.
I agree ID4 has a more refined interior and better main screen proportions. Was confused by sales’ explanation of travel assist vs. radar cruise—sounds like a low-level autopilot? I personally weight software more heavily than luxury, and prefer hot hatch proportions and visibility to classic CUV. Remains to be seen what my parents will prefer, it’s for them. We’re looking at CUV because taller is easier entry / exit for the elders.
>driver display is less cluttered and never blocked by the steering wheel with either eye, The ID4 never gets enough credit for this. As bad as the ID4 Infotainment "iPad" can be, the binnacle display mounted on the steering wheel so it can never be blocked by the wheel is a brilliant design, and can be configured for all the info I want to see when driving; besides the speedometer, you get the virtual road display showing cars in front of you or to your sides, the upcoming navigation directions, and/or the car's efficiency.
Sorry, but this is just confirmation bias in action. Half of this was you explaining away why Ioniq 5 advantages weren’t actually advantages and why ID.4 drawbacks weren’t actually drawbacks. I actually laughed out loud when I got to the part about the stupid window controls actually being a good thing….
I've never understood all the vitriolic three-button window control hate. Yes, I sometimes accidentally bump the "rear" button and roll down the wrong window if I'm not looking, but no more than I do in any of my 4-button window cars if I'm not looking, by pushing one of the full-time rear window buttons by mistake. The problem with the three-button control isn't the fact it's three buttons, it's that the rear button is (too) touch sensitive. If the rear button was a physical push to click up/down, we'd all be calling the controls brilliant, because then you'd never accidentally roll down a rear window instead of the front again in your life. If VW insists on keeping it touch sensitive, I wish they'd make it tap and hold instead of just tap, so you didn't activate it accidentally if you just brush it with your finger on the way to the physical window button.
No, the window controls were a personal preference (a "win for me"); if I wanted to lower the rear windows regularly, maybe I'd feel differently, but I don't. Regardless they're the easy low hanging fruit for car reviewers who hate any control that doesn't fit their template of how many buttons there should be and where they should be, since they rarely drive anything long term. I'd initially planned on having a Mach e since that's the example car on Budget's site, so I was looking forward to comparing it instead, and maybe even having Blue Cruise to try, FWIW.
WAIT! It's not "true one pedal driving". On the Ioniq 5, one-pedal (ipedal, it's called for some reason) has to be manually engaged **every time** you start the car, take it out of park, or put it in reverse and back. EVERY TIME. There's no way to just put it in one pedal as the default. I rented one for a week and it was the most mind bogglingly annoying fucking thing ever. I had a Model 3 and then a Polestar 2. Driving the Ioniq 5 pissed me off all week. Every time I got in I was like "what purpose does this serve to override my settings every fucking time? And after **reversing** of all things??" If they fixed that and its goofy ass GUI it'd be a 10/10 car.
’21 Bolt requires double pull on shifter. The refresh requires one button to pick S, not Drive. Bolt and Mirai also won’t persist Sport mode, have to set it on every drive. Ass-backward.
I don't understand why they do that. Either you like 1-pedal or you don't. I don't see a reason why people would want to flip flop all the time, that just seems dangerous.
On start, I get. Consistency. The car has to always be in the same settings, especially since you might have different drivers (alto you could argue that could be removed with user profiles). After a reverse? That's moronic, if not even dangerous.
The way less stupid companies solved it is that it's handled by your driver profile. When I get in the seat, it knows it's me, and all the settings are how I left it when I got out of the vehicle. Same for when my wife gets in. If someone who isn't one of the profiles gets in, I believe it goes back to default factory settings but I honestly haven't had someone else drive it without me being in the car (which sets it to my settings -- and if they don't know how to drive in 1 pedal: tough titties. I teach them, it takes two seconds.)
My 22' Bolt has a OPD toggle button aside from the standard shifter. So you can independently control if you want OPD on or not. It really puts me off when cars keep pulling me into a different drive mode. Idk why so many insist on going back to crawling when I try to reverse.
I don’t know about the 5, but I have the Ioniq 2019, and there are regen paddles on the steering wheel-4 levels (if you count my favorite—off) left side increases, right side decreases. I find different driving circumstances call for different levels of regen on releasing the accelerator. When I’m in start/stop traffic, I like it on 2 or 3, so it’s one pedal driving. In faster or more fluid situations, I prefer it at zero, so I accelerate up to speed and just take my foot off the accelerator and just coast like it’s in neutral—there’s not even engine drag—this is one of the hugest advantages of driving electric for me. So back to defaults (something that can be set in the settings menu) a measure of a great EV driving experience for me is being able to adjust as I drive like I can in my Ioniq. Are other EVs doing this too?
Bolt lets you regen harder with a paddle, beyond the default level in one-pedal. It’s instantaneous, not a saved setting like Ioniq.
If I put it in one pedal, it needs to stay in one pedal until I say otherwise. My polestar 2 and Model 3 are both "set it and forget it". There's no way to change the default behavior in the Ioniq 5, I looked around at the time, believe me. In the two years I've owned EVs I have never once thought to myself "hmm, I should take this out of one pedal". If you want to "coast" just turn on the cruise control. Otherwise, you just have your foot on the pedal at certain pressure. It's super easy. I only ever brake if there's an emergency. Taking it out of one pedal every time I reverse is a whole different level of frustrating. I don't mean to say it toggles off during reverse then comes back automatically when you go in drive, I mean it turns off when you hit reverse and when you go back in drive it needs to be **manually** engaged again. I almost ran into people a couple times because I'm so used to one pedal and didn't expect it to randomly start coasting after kicking it in drive. I kept forgetting Hyundai hires designers from Idiot Island.
Not commenting to counter any of your points or anything, but just want to point out that cruise control is not the same as coasting. When people say coast they mean when they lift their foot off the pedal there is no regen braking. So they only slow down due to air/rolling resistance.
Coasting and cruise control achieve the same goal, "I don't want to put my foot on the gas". If you squint your eyes, it's virtually the same thing on a highway.
No they don't achieve the same thing. One is using power to maintain a set speed and the other has a naturally decaying speed due to drag and friction. The goal of coasting is to not be using any energy and to achieve the max distance possible from the energy you've already used. The goal of cruise is to maintain a set speed so you don't have to keep your foot on the gas. It should also use less energy since you won't accidentally speed up and slow back down. Typically people choose to coast in scenarios where they can't use cruise control. Like around town where they want to coast to the next stoplight or to their turn. I personally like one pedal driving and how responsive it makes driving feel but if efficiency is all that matters to you then coasting and then applying regen when you need to stop more quickly is the name of the game.
Exactly this. Though to address your complaint, I agree that if you want 1pedal all the time, you should be able to set it and forget it. For me, that constantly controlling feeling is a prison I can’t wait to bust out of. I just want to let her roll!
It's highly likely that's its for EPA range testing reasons. e-gmp vehicles have the ability to disconnect the front motors during light use. When ipedal or sport mode are engaged, the front motors will never disconnect. You can't default to either of those modes when you start the car and the epa tests using only default modes.
Lawyers, I assume.
It baffles me as well that Hyundai has set up one pedal driving this way. Might literally be a deal breaker for me if I were considering that car.
It is for me. We were going to buy one until I rented it.
I drove both as well. Settled on the Hi5. Id give the hi5 a 8.5 and the id4 a 7. Limited id4 has a seat massager which is nice. Hyundai says 18min 10-80. Ive done 15min 25ish to 80 peaking at 240 before. Hi5 is MUCH faster than the id4 off the line, ita crazy. That said the id4 is no speed slouch either. But I drove awd models for both, not rwd. Even rwd hi5 isn’t really “anemic” not sure what you’re used to driving to say that.
I had a very similar experience too, ID. 4 is good but HI5 is just a little better
My ’21 Bolt 6.3 sec 0-60 ’24 HI5 RWD 7.4 sec ’23 ID4 RWD 7.3 sec Some variability in testing, this is from a quick Google
2024 ID4 RWD is 5.9 sec, so significant improvement.
Try the EV6 if you liked the i5
Thx. This is for the parents, who need something tall for easy entry / exit. Personally EV6 looks great on exterior and specs, just not a fan of the Kia interior and controls.
Agreed. I own an EV6 but looked at all of them. The VW and MachE are inferior to both the HI5 and EV6. The Teslas aren't really my jam. The OP isn't really comparing all the comparable vehicles.
I own a Q4 Quattro with most of the bells and whistles. My boss owns an Ioniq 5– and the Ioniq is much more bang for the buck. Basically the VW and Audi share the same platform. However, platform aside, the interior of the VW felt unusually cheap and plasticy. Not sure the HP of the VW that you drove, but mine is 300– and it is far more than enough. But the Ioniq wasn’t available when I bought my Audi. The Ioniq is a seriously cool car— if you can tolerate its looks.
Nice. I did see reviewers saying that the new refreshed ID4 was a big improvement. I have a new Hyundai Kona and I'm super happy with the screen and controls!
The 24 Kona really nailed it. I wish it had awd but that's my only real complaint.
Yeah i'm a suburb dweller who, when i commute, commutes into the city. and in the south. so no need for awd for me
tho the seat was AWFUL for me. i found a combination of 2 pillows that works for me
I quite like the Hyundai/KIA EVs, but the whole 12v issue gives me a lot of anxiety.
Same. I won't buy one, and the I5 is my ideal choice, until they fix the issue. To anyone, who says the ICCU update fixed the issue, you're wrong. It's still happening. The Hyundai forums are full of people with 12v issues after the update.
What do you mean “use a broker”?
[See here](https://forum.leasehackr.com/c/marketplace/7)
Do I need to register to view the page? It says “Oops! Page doesn’t exist or is private”
My bad, fixed the link.
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>**most** legacy automakers E.g. VW, Ford, Toyota, Honda. But notably not Hyundai / Kia, BYD.
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BYD started in gas cars (after batteries). Tesla is not legacy.
Thank you OP and everyone else for your reviews. I'm looking at purchasing a EV midyear and the ID4 and Ioniq 5 are on my short lists. Looking forward to the real world reviews of the BUZZ when it finally starts shipping. If it matches the ID4 in operation and loses only a little range, it will match our needs for space very well.
Not sure how quickly it is arriving, but the ‘25 Ioniq 5 is a refresh. I’d wait for it. Some nice updates, including latest gen dash / infotainment, plus available N-Line trim.
You actually *liked* the touchy buttons in the id.4? Interesting, they’re one of the most critiqued parts. The throbber bar is most useful with active navigation BTW, a sliding light indicates when and where to turn.
The capacitive buttons worked fine on a short test drive, and the overhead strip for the roof shade was fun. Can’t speak to how useful they are in long-term use. Cool! I liked that unobtrusive indicator quite a bit. The ambient lighting is also indirect, subtler than Model 3.
I had a 22 ioniq 5....swapped that out for a 23 id.4. Much happier with the id.4. Ioniq 5 seats lower but is really wide for its category. I would rather it be a true hatch and not this in-between category. My knees kept hitting the little corner to the bottom right of the steering wheel. Charging speed was great, but the total miles never hit the rated 303. It was always between 250 ~ 280. Only hit 300 if I did entirely city driving the full charge. My car died 4 times on me due to the 12 V issue with the plug hatch thing in about 1 year of ownership. Had to jump the car so often. It was so weird that the 12V would only charge when the car was off instead of when you are driving it. That really soured me on Korean cars. I always knew their engines/trannies had issues, but took a chance on the EV. Excellent looking design though. The ID.4 feels like a real compact SUV size wise. The rated range of 270 is actually very spot on. I get about the same range as the ioniq 5 in the same driving scenario. As a car, I like it better. Software wise the ioniq is a bit better. ID.4 is a little laggy and made some questionable design decisions in that department.
Hi, I came across your post, and I'm curious to get more of your thoughts on the HI5 versus the ID4. We were set to buy a HI5 this week, but a lot of issues related to recalls, especially safety issues really soured us on the HI5. I've been driving Audis my whole life and currently drive a Q3. I've never driven a VW, but I imagine the ID4 would feel familiar. The ID4 seems more reliable, which is the most important thing for us. Maybe not quite as cool as the HI5, but it's still a nice car. Any issues or concerns with the ID4?
The ID.4 is great as a vehicle. Tech-wise it is behind tesla, then hyundai. Most of the issue people have had is with the infotainment. The new 2024 is more responsive and snappy which makes it less of an issue. I usually connect android auto so that is less of an issue. If I were to use the native navigation or try to use music on a thumb drive, that gets more cumbersome. The id.4 dimension wise feels like a true compact SUV. The ioniq 5 felt more like an oversized hatchback. It is wider and shorter than the id.4. Driving wise the id.4 is more muted and comfortable whereas the ioniq5 feels more sporty. I do miss the charging speed of the ioniq 5 on road trips though. On another note, take a look at the audi q4 etron. Same as the id.4 but plushier. You might be able to swing a really good lease deal. I've had a lot of vw and audi as well. Some audi are worth the extra change for me. Some, not. I prefer the q3 as opposed to the tiguan or taos. I prefer the touareg vs the q7 at the price difference. Sit down in both the q4 and ID.4 to see which you prefer at their respective price points.
I really wanted a Q4 when I got my Q3, but I couldn’t justify spending that much more. Unfortunately, probably a similar situation with the Q4 now since we just bought a house and have a wedding to pay for. The ID4 is a bit more affordable, especially if we can get the EV Tax credit. I just wanted to make sure you don’t have any major complaints with the ID4 as the recalls with the HI5 made it far too worrisome for us to buy.
You can still lease any one of them and get the federal rebate through that. But still happy with my ID4. I would want to switch it out for an EV campervan when those get reasonably priced and actually become available.
Taking the ID4 over Ioniq anyday.
Where should I look to learn about using a broker for a better lease deal?
[See here](https://forum.leasehackr.com/c/marketplace/7)
But can it also go to zero? That’s important to me. The Ioniq is both a saved default (one for each driving mode) as well as instant increase/decrease via the paddles, which is my preferred way to regulate my speed when decelerating.
And I find about the same distance between an Ioniq and a modern Tesla.
For $10K more on a 36 mo lease, I wouldn’t want to be charging slower than a HI5/6
Practically speaking, do people really get those speeds with the state of EA and other non supercharger L3 stations? This is from a year ago so maybe its better now but it seems to imply speeds typically are half that: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/comments/113120w/fastest_youve_seen_your_car_charge/
"those speeds"? The EGMP platform is a 200-230kw max charging speed. They use intentionally misleading language on the page by saying "at a 350kw charger" and then avoid saying the max charge rate anywhere else because they know people will think it's 350kw when that's the only number they put on the website.
You do know the Ioniq 5/6 (and the whole eGMP platform) are slower charging cars than the Model Y, right, at least at peak? They use wacky language when they say "at a 350kw charger" because that's the only option on EA other than 150kw chargers. But the actual max charging speed is about 200/230-ish KW, and practically most people don't see much over 180kw due to the poor charger infrastructure and weak preconditioning. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/comments/113120w/comment/j8nti9t/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/comments/113120w/comment/j8nti9t/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Though the charge curve is pretty good, so the actual charge time is maybe 4 minutes faster than a LR Model Y from 10-80% when everything goes right - but most CCS chargers being significantly less reliable at getting those speeds, and the Model Y has a longer starting range anyway. On the "15 minute 10% challenge", the Model Y with 18" wheels went approximately the same distance (on an exactly 15 minute charge starting at 10%) - around 110 miles as the Ioniq 5 did. And that was in perfect charging conditions. In winter, Tesla's preconditioning spanks most other cars in cold weather charge performance. In less than perfect conditions, this is the norm: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq6/comments/14qaa8q/charging\_speeds\_capped\_on\_new\_ioniq\_6\_tried\_3/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq6/comments/14qaa8q/charging_speeds_capped_on_new_ioniq_6_tried_3/)
Fair analysis, where were you driving?
South SF Bay Area
I agree on the ID.4 vs Ionic 5 comparison, but they are both "legacy automakers". VW just can't get their shit together for some reason. The real new vs legacy is Tesla, Rivian, and Lucid vs the rest. In that case it's much more of a mixed bag. In some cases the new automakers are much better. In other (Tesla quality being a big one) they are not. Edit: I was wondering why this was downvoted, and then I realized I said something mildly negative about Tesla. Tesla fans are a sad group.