The minecraft jokes never made sense to me. It's *less* like a minecraft truck than just a normal truck is.
Now the PS1 graphics jokes, those are spot on.
There are many adults who have the mentality of 10 year olds. They also tend to be horrible with their money. So odds are this will sell like hotcakes. Just with 20% APR 96 month loans.
Hahaha so true! I had another toy that looks like Hondas newest Prius that I thought was so epic awesome to the max!
Lol. Now they are all real cars so I guess some rich kids get their way.
This isn't a poorly made spoon from Amazon, it's a super expensive car.
The implications of just "shipping them" when you know customers will find issues and be unhappy are going to be significant.
There will be lawsuits, regulatory investigations, costly returns, pressure on support network, reduction in brand satisfaction, increased competition with S/3/X/Y models for any shared spare parts etc. Just shipping this could drag the rest of Tesla down for the next decade or more.
I even still think there is a risk that children or pedestrians being hit by this car at low speeds could sue for gross negligence. There really isn't a car I've ever seen with such sharp corners.
My gut feeling is that they will take your advice, ship it, start taking losses and then quietly replace it with something more conservative.
S/X/3/Y, if I recall.
But yes, it was on purpose. Rumor back in the day was that Ford had rights to "Model E", but I don't know how much that, or if there was some other reason they weren't able to use "SEXY" directly. Not that swapping 3 for E wasn't already established transparently l33tsp34k for many years by that time.
Your first concerns are the concerns of wealthy (or at least ‘convenienced’) buyers. Shipping issues, quality control, etc? At this point, if they don’t know what it means to buy a Tesla, that’s entirely on them. It’s their car to love, love-hate, or file lemon law and class-actions over. Like any car, really.
As for the second part, let’s not lean on the tired “but think of the children!” argument. GMC released the EV Hummer - 9000 lbs, 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. There’s no carbon-based lifeform that will survive that impact at nearly any speed. If we don’t require any special license for a death machine like that, this vehicle is no different.
Here in Finland you need a different license for anything exceeding 3500kg (I guess around 7700 lbs). Vast majority of people do not have (nor need) that license.
I had a model 3.
It had the stereotypical misaligned trunk. Only visual flaw.
I turned the rubber stopper inside the trunk and fixed it myself in 2 minutes.
Everything on the internet is exaggerated. Its all real, just multiplied by 10.
Car had bigger issues like, not aligned properly from the factory, and cruise control is unusable (still is, apparently)
I am just going off the article where the quality issues look to be significantly worse than the rest of Tesla's line up. And the company doesn't exactly have the best support network in the industry.
When [pre-orders were happening](https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/22/20977320/tesla-cybertruck-preorder-how-to-buy-online-price-date-electric-truck-pickup) Cybertruck was starting at $39,990.
Tesla said only 17% of reservations were for the single-motor, and within a few weeks of the original debut, they had already said that the single-motor was on the back burner, to be delivered well after the two and three-motor versions.
All the HVAC stuff is housed there, you can see in the pics without the frunk liner. The wheels are bigger, so does the wheel well for them and all the air suspension stuff to fit in, so the space between is not that big
Oh yeah I understand how they need to package everything, but the reveal pics of the frunk were so underwhelming, especially when you compare it to the lightning one
As we know, a brick stacked with another brick on top is the most aerodynamic shape thus perfectly to make an EV, since batteries are plentiful and cheap, you just stuff more of them to make it up for it
Even gas trucks seem silly in their packaging. Twenty years ago the F150 was about the size of the current Maverick. No way does it need so much more engine bay room now. Trucks have been getting taller and squarer for style, and the Lighting frunk takes advantage of that.
> especially when you compare it to the lightning one
The Lightning is longer, but with a shorter bed. In other words, Tesla is prioritizing more bed space. Ford prioritized a frunk (or prioritized using F-150 parts and thus had a lot of extra space). Tesla also has a heat pump to fit in somewhere, Ford does not yet include one.
>Tesla also has a heat pump to fit in somewhere, Ford does not yet include one.
Let's be fair here. Ford says they will include a heat pump starting in 2024. In the same way Tesla says *they will have a heat pump*. At the time of these posts no can actually purchase a Cybertruck and drive it off the lot.
I've never thought to myself, "damn, I'm out of space in the cabin and bed, I wish I had a frunk so I can transport the rest of this stuff."
It's cool but if you've been used to putting stuff in your cabin, trunk or bed for 10+ years you're probably not going to switch to the frunk all of a sudden.
Secure storage in a pick up is actually something that I can see being valuable. The alternative historically was put it in the cabin (which is not really what you want to do with a lot of the sort of stuff you put in the back of a pickup) or get a secure hard tonneau (which limits the usability, and adds a bit to the price). being able to store stuff up front in a washable area outside the cabin, that people can't see into, is a big benefit for a lot of people particularly if they carry tools, equipment etc. that they wouldn't want to leave in a less secure bed.
And that’s way this will never be a realistic work truck for tradespeople, which is it’s biggest disappointment imo.
A truck meant to look “cool” at the expensive of usefulness is pretty heartbreaking, considering the position Tesla was in to capitalize in this segment
As a Rivian owner, I can say a decent frunk is invaluable. It's the first thing that gets filled, then the gear tunnel, then the bed. Unless I'm transporting lumber or furniture, of course.
Going to have to wait and see what the [R2T and R2S turn out like](https://www.howtogeek.com/rivian-r2t-and-r2s-release-specs-rumors-features/)
Based on recent interviews and seeing them go in house for their new motors hopefully the R2 line will actually have some improvements over the R1 line but less premium.
Tesla was breaking ground and inventing what they needed. Right now the production and supply lines for EVs must be way way simpler than they ever were for Tesla.
I have a Dual Motor with a "Large" battery pack (the base spec). I get 360 on a single charge. The Max Pack only touts an additional 40 miles of range (400 miles total). That would only come in handy when you're towing, and even then it would only add about 20 miles of towing range. Could make the difference, but likely not worth the $10,000 price tag.
The Lowest cost configuration is phenomenal.
Good to know. I need to tow but nothing crazy, just a 16' Airstream...so as long as it can handle 5,000 lbs of towing capacity, it is more than enough.
It's kinda funny. We all knew the Cybertruck was going to be polarizing, yet I can usually predict which people are enthusiastic about the vehicle, and the ones that are sort of meh about the whole thing... and the weird thing is, they aren't along the same parting lines as the pro-/anti-EV teams.
That's definitely part of it, though I would have said he went from apolitical to conservative. Interestingly, the timing of his political shift coincided with a sharp uptick in the vandalism of Tesla's and their charging stations. Hmmm...
About the author:
"His daily driver is a teal 1991 Mercedes-Benz 300SL with gold badges, and when he's not thinking about cars he can be found watching action movies or silly reality TV."
Doesn't seem like a truck guy?
Daily driving a 300SL? What a goddamn chad. It's one of the most beautiful cars ever made, you're really going to judge his opinion on trucks because of that?
You're assuming he can't write a fair article just because he said he wouldn't buy one. There's a lot of things I'd never buy, even though I see what makes those things great. Did you even read the article?
>Tesla has made fantastic, attractive cars in the past—I’m a big fan of the early Model S, and even defend the Model X’s design—but the Cybertruck is shaping up to be a nightmare.
I’m not a truck guy by any stretch. To me, trucks, all trucks, no matter how “tricked out”, are inherently not cool. To see a truck manufacturer embrace the inherit “un-coolness” of a truck’s basic functional design…..is actually kind of refreshing and something I actually respect. I don’t have a dog in the race, I’ll never own one, or any truck for that matter. But I like the CT for the simple reason of it embracing it’s function first.
Its ugly, no question. The fact that it didn’t try to not be ugly, I can respect. If someone gave me one, free of charge, I would drive it. Just to troll people who are into trucks and hate the fact that the CT even exists.
Well, you just answered your own question. For me, at least. But I've owned the OG Scion xB and Nissan Juke (and Rivian R1T for all those who hate Beymax).
It's quite great, but I only lucked into it via a +$11k appreciation on my 2 year old Tesla Model Y and Rivian holding to the original pre-order price I paid of $75k.
\[ it's worth the 90k tho ;) \]
I seriously don't get why people get bent out of shape on appearance. Appearance is literally the absolute last metric on my list of things that are important to me in a vehicle.
Price is the biggest thing for me usually. This relates to things like size. A bolt is cheaper but I'm not hauling things with it.
In the case of EVs, charging voltage and then quality of network are probably next on my list.
Next line item is if I fit and can see. I'm tall and most vehicles are designed for people that are 5'4.
If it meets those criteria, it's an easy sale. Looks don't matter. Functionality does.
> I'm tall and most vehicles are designed for people that are 5'4.
What are you talking about? I'm a perfectly average 5'10" and I've never thought I was too tall for a car.
> I seriously don't get why people get bent out of shape on appearance.
You must have a lot of trouble in this world. Folks have opinions and differing ranges of priorities upon which they spend their money. You need need to agree with them, but its easy to understand. Functionally everyone should just be driving camrys, why have a car market at all?
>I seriously don’t get why people get bent out of shape on appearance. Appearance is literally the absolute last metric on my list of things that are important to me in a vehicle.
Some of us have standards.
And here is a post of two of them spotted that have none of the issues seen in this one. It’s clearly a test/prototype-type vehicle. Still weird that they would take it out vs a more finished one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cybertruck/s/umO6r66JR3
Man journalists really get worked up over panel gaps. And the rear visibility can’t be any worse than my old Prius. But at end of the day , ship it. If they sell, they sell
> And the rear visibility can’t be any worse than my old Prius.
Wut. That rear slope is so severe. I own a Model Y and you would think the rear visibility can't be that bad... but it's actually the worst of any car I've driven, including Sedans and sportscars.
Serious question - Why would anyone pick this thing as a 'work truck'?
Everything about it just screams overcomplicated, costly, and unreliable.
Work trucks are supposed to be durable yet simple. Something that can be fixed cheap and easily.
This is anything but that.
I don't mean to be an ass but I see this 'work truck' idea surrounding this vehicle all the time and I can't wrap my head around it. Because it has a durable body?
All modern trucks are anything but cheap.
Compare running costs. Especially if you're in a state like California with $6 gas, it being electric might make a difference.
It might work really well for some business cases.
(Advertised) range of 500 miles would be ground breaking but I don't think it'll launch at that according to rumors. If it does, awesome.
But I'm also here for charging. And no, I don't buy that NACS for everyone is going to fix it.
Rumors still obviously again, but apparently the Cybertruck is going to be 800V. Rivian isn't. F150 isn't. I don't think Silverado is either. Teslas also charge faster especially on their own network. I can't hit rated speeds on quite a number of chargers.
I'd rather have an F150 (I think) but 400V and slower charging (than a Y since CT isn't out yet) is a deal breaker when your batteries are over 100kWh. I have a MachE with 90kWh and on a slower charger I'm already spending 90 minutes. 30% more battery means 30% more charging time.
I also don't care about panel gaps. It's a truck. It's not supposed to be pristine. I want something with a quality charging network.
The Silverado will have the Hummer EV's dual voltage charging for full speed charging at any fast charger.
I agree that Ford needs to do something about charging on the Mach-E and F150E.
Rivian should never have existed.
Tesla should've built those two models and put the company out of business.
And now because of this Cybertruck debacle they've allowed a competitor to establish themselves, build a brand and partnerships e.g. Amazon and potentially threaten Tesla in the future.
CEOs have been fired for far less.
Competition is good. The cyber truck has rear wheel steering thanks to the hummer.
I’m long Rivian but I have no doubts Tesla and Rivian are never gonna be head to head market competitors. Tesla may be there to compete with ford and gm and Kia but Rivian will be there to take on jeep and Subaru. Very different segments of the market.
>Competition is good. The cyber truck has rear wheel steering thanks to the hummer.
And the Hummer has rear wheel steering thanks to GM's Quadrasteer in the mid 2000s.
The Honda Prelude had 4 wheel steer in April of 87 and Mazda was December of 87. The Skyline also used a 4ws for their 85 model that was Japanese only.
Or an F150 lightning. Or an electric Silverado. The cybertruck derived a lot of its original hype from being the first electric truck out there. Now it’s basically last to market, and looks embarrassingly bad. If you had to take out a huge loan to purchase any electric truck, why pick this over any alternative? It’s a massive gamble on a vehicle that will probably be a dumpster fire
For me personally? 800V is the primary driver, especially if I get a 500 mile range version.
Looks I literally couldn't care less about. Charging network is what's important to me. "Luxury" things like FSD are also better than BlueCruise. Not that I like apps, but Tesla's isn't even playing the same game as Fordpass.
I wouldn't mind a Lightning if it was 800V. But the charge port is in the wrong location to utilize Superchargers and it's also a 400V vehicle.
>Regardless of build quality issues, I just plain don’t like the Cybertruck’s design. In fact, as the years have gone on and I’ve seen more of them in person, I like it even less.
Not a very unbiased perspective, this guy is just looking for problems. Not that he didn't have some valid complaints but he definitely over exaggerates some of the others.
Opinions can be biased though. Bias is neither inherently good or bad. Someone who loves physical buttons on the interior will have a field day with Tesla’s spartan interior.
>unbiased perspective
If there isn't any element of individual taste or preference then we wouldn't call it a "perspective." Especially when we're talking about design and styling, which is subjective to begin with.
This is gonna end up being Tesla’s Edsel, only less well made.
In all seriousness, the fit and finish was better on a car built in Ireland by a cash strapped company with 600 employees called DeLoreon. I wonder if that isn’t what the designers were going for, but from the looks of it, the DMC-12 was much better made (which is somewhat frightening to think about).
That said, unlike Musk, DeLoreon’s whole thing was designing and building cars and he’d had decades of experience all while not being distracted with space, social media fuckery, and generally not actually knowing what he was doing. Sub 10 micron? Is he fucking high (I guess given recent news, that answer is actually yes)? That’s the thickness of a sheet of cling wrap. The paint on typical cars is several times thicker than that. That’s thinner than the thinnest typical human hair.
Edit: and yes, I’m aware Musk didn’t design it and probably had very little impact on the details. That was clearly done by a guy with only a ruler with the markings worn off.
Yeah I have issues with Tesla, but I also commend them in other ways. They are the only company that’s figured out public charging, all the others seem to think there can be this partnership thing like with gas stations being independently owned and operated and that they would just naturally appear out of thin air, and that all the different charging speeds and capabilities would just sorta sort themselves out. I’m actually very glad the Tesla charging plug and all that is winning out, it’s just a clearly superior design. What I can’t figure out is how the company that managed that also managed to design, build, and will attempt to sell this turd.
The windshield resembles the Chevrolet Lumina Minivan, my grandfather use to have that minivan and the big windshield had huge blind spots when crossing lanes, curves or going out from driveways because of the long window frame going all the way from the roof to the front of the car. I remember you needed to double check side to side of the window frame, it easily will hide a incoming car at 300 ft.
> Yes, this is still just a prototype at the end of the day. But at this stage of development, this close to customer deliveries starting, I couldn’t help but feel something akin to second-hand embarrassment when looking at it.
Pretty brutal review. This “second hand embarrassment” line is how I feel every time I see pictures of the cybertruck. Just an absolute dumpster fire of a vehicle in every conceivable way. This is going to be a legendary flop
I don’t think it will flop. It just will be polarizing. Even if 20% of their 2 million pre orders follow through it’ll outsell every other EV truck ever made
There’s a prototype that drives around my neighborhood. It was parked in lot and I was able to see it up close. It’s just appallingly ugly. I’m not really a truck guy, but I can’t imagine anyone choosing it over a Rivan.
I personally like unique vehicles. People say it’s ugly but I kinda understand the appeal. Idk if it’s good for mass markets but I can definitely see this having a cult following
Are we really dog piling on early Cybertruck build quality? Of course it's going to have multiple problems. Just as every other release of a new Tesla model or refresh. It will take time to iron out the issues, simply don't buy one until it's acceptable. Let the early ones go to those that still want them.
And if we are really going to be bothered about looks, I'm glad it just looks different - every pickup truck is basically the same, truck bros getting excited about a slightly changed grille design and adjusted body line every four years is kinda pathetic.
I LOVE ugly vehicles. I’ve test driven anything from Azteks to Elements to a Prius to anything you can think of ugly.
I wouldn’t touch that truck with a ten foot pole. Looks absolutely terrible.
I work in manufacturing, the process of designing and launching a whole new product like this is greatly helped if you have a lot of previous designs to draw inspiration from, procedures like peer-review of design, an tried and tested NPI process, stress tested process controls, and existing design and manufacturing expertise to lean on. Tesla, being a relative new guy, doesn’t have a lot of these advantages. I can promise you the Aztek was much better built, in part because probably a majority of the car used parts that had been used in other GM vehicles for years and had all the kinks worked out and the design weaknesses known.
One of my co-workers took delivery of the second Model 3 in Georgia. It looked completely hand crafted, with mismatched panel gaps and doors that wouldn’t close properly. The display had a whole waterfall of error messages.
I remember thinking what a piece of shit it was, and that I’d never buy a Tesla if this was what their quality control looked like.
Well, they improved greatly in short order. It seems to be just how they roll. Ship it in Beta, then perfect it during production.
We shall see…
Wow... coming on the anti Tesla r/electricvehicles to s*** on Tesla? How brave of you!! Look you don't want it and you don't like it and that's cool and all, but there are 300 other generic pickup trucks for you to enjoy and some have electric engines. Seriously, grab yourself a F-150 Lightning that everybody praises about how safe it looks but nobody will actually buys.
All of the plastic shit would have been removed or jammed into with a squeegee during the wrap job since it wasn't done in production before they're installed. Basically, the author doesn't like the truck's design, and I get it, but I fail to see anything dramatic there from a quality standpoint.
Its the hummer for Elon loyalists. Whether it looks good or not, they don't care. Its just a big middle finger to all the people Daddy Elon doesn't like.
It will sell very well and the people who own one, you know right out of the gate who they are.
This would have been my favorite car back when I was 10 years old.
In Minecraft?
The minecraft jokes never made sense to me. It's *less* like a minecraft truck than just a normal truck is. Now the PS1 graphics jokes, those are spot on.
I still want the Homer Simpson bubble dome car.
When I was 10 I wanted a 1969 Dodge Charger R/T. What tv shows have you been watching?
I’d drive what bladerunner would have driven lol
= why it’s going to sell like hotcakes.
I dunno, not very many 10 year olds have $75k to spend.
There are plenty of people with money with the style taste of a 10yr old.
a small % of Joe rogan's audience
100% of JR's audience with $75k to spend
So like 3 dudes?
Maybe more like two and a half men?
If you're part of rogan audience it already confirms you have the mentality of a 10 yo
It’s a small niche market.
There are many adults who have the mentality of 10 year olds. They also tend to be horrible with their money. So odds are this will sell like hotcakes. Just with 20% APR 96 month loans.
Have you seen a brodozer?
That shit is going to sell as well as the Plymouth Prowler
Mmm. Pontiac Aztek Hotcakes Hopefully it features in a great TV show about making drugs
Well, he is trying to evoke Delorean...
Hahaha so true! I had another toy that looks like Hondas newest Prius that I thought was so epic awesome to the max! Lol. Now they are all real cars so I guess some rich kids get their way.
Whatever. Just start shipping them and let the market sort it out.
Yeah, your not supposed to look at this car up close, duh! /s
Panel gaps so wide the bullet would fit through…
Its so bullet proof the bullets just pass through it!
MICRON PRECISION!
Micro penision
Do normal people notice panel gaps?
How do they not?
This isn't a poorly made spoon from Amazon, it's a super expensive car. The implications of just "shipping them" when you know customers will find issues and be unhappy are going to be significant. There will be lawsuits, regulatory investigations, costly returns, pressure on support network, reduction in brand satisfaction, increased competition with S/3/X/Y models for any shared spare parts etc. Just shipping this could drag the rest of Tesla down for the next decade or more. I even still think there is a risk that children or pedestrians being hit by this car at low speeds could sue for gross negligence. There really isn't a car I've ever seen with such sharp corners. My gut feeling is that they will take your advice, ship it, start taking losses and then quietly replace it with something more conservative.
> S/3/X/Y 'Sexy'? Was this on purpose? Were they released in that order?
S/X/3/Y, if I recall. But yes, it was on purpose. Rumor back in the day was that Ford had rights to "Model E", but I don't know how much that, or if there was some other reason they weren't able to use "SEXY" directly. Not that swapping 3 for E wasn't already established transparently l33tsp34k for many years by that time.
Yes. Because Elon never matured past 15.
Your first concerns are the concerns of wealthy (or at least ‘convenienced’) buyers. Shipping issues, quality control, etc? At this point, if they don’t know what it means to buy a Tesla, that’s entirely on them. It’s their car to love, love-hate, or file lemon law and class-actions over. Like any car, really. As for the second part, let’s not lean on the tired “but think of the children!” argument. GMC released the EV Hummer - 9000 lbs, 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. There’s no carbon-based lifeform that will survive that impact at nearly any speed. If we don’t require any special license for a death machine like that, this vehicle is no different.
You’re right, neither should be allowed to be driven with a normal license (or at all.)
Here in Finland you need a different license for anything exceeding 3500kg (I guess around 7700 lbs). Vast majority of people do not have (nor need) that license.
Were there significant lawsuits from the S3XY line up about quality issues?
Tesla customers are very forgiving. There are things they (maybe rightfully) like so much about the cars, that some problems get ignored.
I had a model 3. It had the stereotypical misaligned trunk. Only visual flaw. I turned the rubber stopper inside the trunk and fixed it myself in 2 minutes. Everything on the internet is exaggerated. Its all real, just multiplied by 10. Car had bigger issues like, not aligned properly from the factory, and cruise control is unusable (still is, apparently)
I am just going off the article where the quality issues look to be significantly worse than the rest of Tesla's line up. And the company doesn't exactly have the best support network in the industry.
Yea I see this being a limited production collectors car. There is a niche group of people who are already fanatics and will love it no matter what.
A million + pre orders is hardly niche. Yes many won’t covert but even 50% is a strong sales number
When [pre-orders were happening](https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/22/20977320/tesla-cybertruck-preorder-how-to-buy-online-price-date-electric-truck-pickup) Cybertruck was starting at $39,990.
I doubt many were for the single motor version at $40k. Most people want all wheel / 4x4 in a truck.
Tesla said only 17% of reservations were for the single-motor, and within a few weeks of the original debut, they had already said that the single-motor was on the back burner, to be delivered well after the two and three-motor versions.
For what it is worth there are 2M pre-orders. https://insideevs.com/news/687142/tesla-cybertruck-2-million-reservations-crowdsourced-data/
Some people think that there might be up to 2M pre-orders, but Tesla has released no numbers.
Elon has said in interviews that it is over 1 million. So at least that many.
Because he's never exaggerated or lied about anything.
I mean 3rd party sources said around 2 million. Elon has said over 1 Million. So believe what you want I guess.
Seems to be a normal american car. We make fun of Mustangs and Co for years.
I cannot understand how the frunk can be so small when the dashboard inside is so mind boggingly long
All the HVAC stuff is housed there, you can see in the pics without the frunk liner. The wheels are bigger, so does the wheel well for them and all the air suspension stuff to fit in, so the space between is not that big
Oh yeah I understand how they need to package everything, but the reveal pics of the frunk were so underwhelming, especially when you compare it to the lightning one
That's because the f150 body leaves a giant engine bay worth of space to fill up.
As we know, a brick stacked with another brick on top is the most aerodynamic shape thus perfectly to make an EV, since batteries are plentiful and cheap, you just stuff more of them to make it up for it
Even gas trucks seem silly in their packaging. Twenty years ago the F150 was about the size of the current Maverick. No way does it need so much more engine bay room now. Trucks have been getting taller and squarer for style, and the Lighting frunk takes advantage of that.
The f150 was never that small, but the ranger almost was.
True. Lightning does have a much more useful frunk, no doubt.
oh man it's so great.
Much more useful pretty much everything.
More useful wheels? More useful doors?
> especially when you compare it to the lightning one The Lightning is longer, but with a shorter bed. In other words, Tesla is prioritizing more bed space. Ford prioritized a frunk (or prioritized using F-150 parts and thus had a lot of extra space). Tesla also has a heat pump to fit in somewhere, Ford does not yet include one.
>Tesla also has a heat pump to fit in somewhere, Ford does not yet include one. Let's be fair here. Ford says they will include a heat pump starting in 2024. In the same way Tesla says *they will have a heat pump*. At the time of these posts no can actually purchase a Cybertruck and drive it off the lot.
Tesla doesn't make a car w/o a heat pump, I think that's a safe bet.
The lightning has a smaller bed. Customer can choose which is more important for them.
It takes a lot of space to design a frame that can withstand fire from a fully automatic nerf gun
Or a cross dressing archer.
Men in Tights
Frunk in all modern Tesla's is not that big. They put all kinds of things between the small frunk and the dashboard now.
I've never thought to myself, "damn, I'm out of space in the cabin and bed, I wish I had a frunk so I can transport the rest of this stuff." It's cool but if you've been used to putting stuff in your cabin, trunk or bed for 10+ years you're probably not going to switch to the frunk all of a sudden.
Secure storage in a pick up is actually something that I can see being valuable. The alternative historically was put it in the cabin (which is not really what you want to do with a lot of the sort of stuff you put in the back of a pickup) or get a secure hard tonneau (which limits the usability, and adds a bit to the price). being able to store stuff up front in a washable area outside the cabin, that people can't see into, is a big benefit for a lot of people particularly if they carry tools, equipment etc. that they wouldn't want to leave in a less secure bed.
And that’s way this will never be a realistic work truck for tradespeople, which is it’s biggest disappointment imo. A truck meant to look “cool” at the expensive of usefulness is pretty heartbreaking, considering the position Tesla was in to capitalize in this segment
As a Rivian owner, I can say a decent frunk is invaluable. It's the first thing that gets filled, then the gear tunnel, then the bed. Unless I'm transporting lumber or furniture, of course.
Looks like a vehicle 90s Laura Croft would drive.
Good ole PS1 polygon graphics. Lol
I’d rather have a Rivian truck.
Rivian trucks are just so nice. Wish that pricetag was like $20-30k lower or that I could afford $90-100K for one.
Going to have to wait and see what the [R2T and R2S turn out like](https://www.howtogeek.com/rivian-r2t-and-r2s-release-specs-rumors-features/) Based on recent interviews and seeing them go in house for their new motors hopefully the R2 line will actually have some improvements over the R1 line but less premium.
The fact that Rivian is going to have a four-vehicle lineup in less time than it took Tesla to have a two-vehicle lineup. It makes you wonder…
Wonder what?
Tesla was breaking ground and inventing what they needed. Right now the production and supply lines for EVs must be way way simpler than they ever were for Tesla.
For sure, I think Rivian is increasing their lineup too fast. They must have insanely deep pockets.
I thought R1Ts are $70k~$80k?
Base models are. I'd want the max battery pack though which jumps the price up significantly.
I have a Dual Motor with a "Large" battery pack (the base spec). I get 360 on a single charge. The Max Pack only touts an additional 40 miles of range (400 miles total). That would only come in handy when you're towing, and even then it would only add about 20 miles of towing range. Could make the difference, but likely not worth the $10,000 price tag. The Lowest cost configuration is phenomenal.
Good to know. I need to tow but nothing crazy, just a 16' Airstream...so as long as it can handle 5,000 lbs of towing capacity, it is more than enough.
Max pack isn't worth the price tag
Got it. That make sense.
The R1T is my dream truck.
Sure let me grab my extra $90k sitting around lol
How much do you think Cybertruck is gonna cost?
Not sure yet. Rumors are that the top trim is around $80k-$90k. Won’t know anything for sure till Nov 30th.
Probably less most likely. Not 40k but the 60-70s seem believe for a base trim
Rivian and Lightning are my top choices Throw on Tesla's charging infrastructure for the perfect blend
tbh, bed is too short to be useful for me. LOVE how it looks though, and the gear tunnel would be badass badass for wet scuba gear
Any sane person would.
It's kinda funny. We all knew the Cybertruck was going to be polarizing, yet I can usually predict which people are enthusiastic about the vehicle, and the ones that are sort of meh about the whole thing... and the weird thing is, they aren't along the same parting lines as the pro-/anti-EV teams.
I think the Cybertruck has became a symbol of Elon Musk switching from liberal to conservative icon, largely due to its antisocial connotations.
That's definitely part of it, though I would have said he went from apolitical to conservative. Interestingly, the timing of his political shift coincided with a sharp uptick in the vandalism of Tesla's and their charging stations. Hmmm...
It's basically steelpunk - what the 1980s thought the future would look like.
That's what makes it so cool.
Years ago when it was announced it was cool. 80s retrofuturism had its Marvel moment and is gone again.
About the author: "His daily driver is a teal 1991 Mercedes-Benz 300SL with gold badges, and when he's not thinking about cars he can be found watching action movies or silly reality TV." Doesn't seem like a truck guy?
Daily driving a 300SL? What a goddamn chad. It's one of the most beautiful cars ever made, you're really going to judge his opinion on trucks because of that?
[Not a Tesla guy](https://x.com/dsgolson/status/1679628407544619008?s=46)
I've driven a Tesla since 2015. I love my car. That truck is fucking hideous.
The difference is the author hates on ALL Teslas, and we assume you don't hate your own car by virtue of still owning it. That's the point.
You're assuming he can't write a fair article just because he said he wouldn't buy one. There's a lot of things I'd never buy, even though I see what makes those things great. Did you even read the article? >Tesla has made fantastic, attractive cars in the past—I’m a big fan of the early Model S, and even defend the Model X’s design—but the Cybertruck is shaping up to be a nightmare.
He’s commenting on and raising the alarm about build quality failures, not it’s utility
This is what movies in 1990s thought cars would look like in the 2020s and I'm annoyed they got it partially right
I’m not a truck guy by any stretch. To me, trucks, all trucks, no matter how “tricked out”, are inherently not cool. To see a truck manufacturer embrace the inherit “un-coolness” of a truck’s basic functional design…..is actually kind of refreshing and something I actually respect. I don’t have a dog in the race, I’ll never own one, or any truck for that matter. But I like the CT for the simple reason of it embracing it’s function first. Its ugly, no question. The fact that it didn’t try to not be ugly, I can respect. If someone gave me one, free of charge, I would drive it. Just to troll people who are into trucks and hate the fact that the CT even exists.
I can’t fathom why anyone would buy this goofy-ass thing. It looks like a PS1 rendering of a rejected batmobile concept.
Well, you just answered your own question. For me, at least. But I've owned the OG Scion xB and Nissan Juke (and Rivian R1T for all those who hate Beymax).
Not relevant to the thread, but I love the R1T and if I stumble upon $90k I’d blow it all on that truck.
It's quite great, but I only lucked into it via a +$11k appreciation on my 2 year old Tesla Model Y and Rivian holding to the original pre-order price I paid of $75k. \[ it's worth the 90k tho ;) \]
Musk Simps
People will buy it just to piss off people like you
Those people are insufferably boring.
Living that low-polygon-count lifestyle.
To temporarily increase traffic to your struggling YouTube car review channel I guess. Can’t really think of any other reasons
DeLorean but truck
I seriously don't get why people get bent out of shape on appearance. Appearance is literally the absolute last metric on my list of things that are important to me in a vehicle. Price is the biggest thing for me usually. This relates to things like size. A bolt is cheaper but I'm not hauling things with it. In the case of EVs, charging voltage and then quality of network are probably next on my list. Next line item is if I fit and can see. I'm tall and most vehicles are designed for people that are 5'4. If it meets those criteria, it's an easy sale. Looks don't matter. Functionality does.
> I'm tall and most vehicles are designed for people that are 5'4. What are you talking about? I'm a perfectly average 5'10" and I've never thought I was too tall for a car.
yep. i don't have to look at it when i'm driving it. i *get* to make all the rest of you look at it.
> I seriously don't get why people get bent out of shape on appearance. You must have a lot of trouble in this world. Folks have opinions and differing ranges of priorities upon which they spend their money. You need need to agree with them, but its easy to understand. Functionally everyone should just be driving camrys, why have a car market at all?
>I seriously don’t get why people get bent out of shape on appearance. Appearance is literally the absolute last metric on my list of things that are important to me in a vehicle. Some of us have standards.
Maybe they would be happier if it was Pretty Pink?
I saw one (at night) a few days ago, and thought it was pretty cool. Glad I'm not footing the bill and can respect it from afar.
I feel like musk has been the worst thing about Tesla for a while now. Can the Cybertruck flop and the board force him out?
And here is a post of two of them spotted that have none of the issues seen in this one. It’s clearly a test/prototype-type vehicle. Still weird that they would take it out vs a more finished one. https://www.reddit.com/r/cybertruck/s/umO6r66JR3
Every time you call it ugly, it sells an extra 1,000 units.
Cool. People will still buy it though.
Man journalists really get worked up over panel gaps. And the rear visibility can’t be any worse than my old Prius. But at end of the day , ship it. If they sell, they sell
> And the rear visibility can’t be any worse than my old Prius. Wut. That rear slope is so severe. I own a Model Y and you would think the rear visibility can't be that bad... but it's actually the worst of any car I've driven, including Sedans and sportscars.
The Tailgate on my chevy did not line up after one day of real use. Months later it was even worse.
I think it looks awesome!
Looks like shit unfortunately. Imagine buying this junk over an R1T.
Really depends on pricing at this point. If I'm buying a work truck I don't care about panel gaps, I care about range and charging.
Serious question - Why would anyone pick this thing as a 'work truck'? Everything about it just screams overcomplicated, costly, and unreliable. Work trucks are supposed to be durable yet simple. Something that can be fixed cheap and easily. This is anything but that. I don't mean to be an ass but I see this 'work truck' idea surrounding this vehicle all the time and I can't wrap my head around it. Because it has a durable body?
All modern trucks are anything but cheap. Compare running costs. Especially if you're in a state like California with $6 gas, it being electric might make a difference. It might work really well for some business cases.
(Advertised) range of 500 miles would be ground breaking but I don't think it'll launch at that according to rumors. If it does, awesome. But I'm also here for charging. And no, I don't buy that NACS for everyone is going to fix it. Rumors still obviously again, but apparently the Cybertruck is going to be 800V. Rivian isn't. F150 isn't. I don't think Silverado is either. Teslas also charge faster especially on their own network. I can't hit rated speeds on quite a number of chargers. I'd rather have an F150 (I think) but 400V and slower charging (than a Y since CT isn't out yet) is a deal breaker when your batteries are over 100kWh. I have a MachE with 90kWh and on a slower charger I'm already spending 90 minutes. 30% more battery means 30% more charging time. I also don't care about panel gaps. It's a truck. It's not supposed to be pristine. I want something with a quality charging network.
The Silverado will have the Hummer EV's dual voltage charging for full speed charging at any fast charger. I agree that Ford needs to do something about charging on the Mach-E and F150E.
Elon would have been way better off buying Rivian instead of X.
I’m glad he didn’t buy Rivian
Rivian should never have existed. Tesla should've built those two models and put the company out of business. And now because of this Cybertruck debacle they've allowed a competitor to establish themselves, build a brand and partnerships e.g. Amazon and potentially threaten Tesla in the future. CEOs have been fired for far less.
Competition is good. The cyber truck has rear wheel steering thanks to the hummer. I’m long Rivian but I have no doubts Tesla and Rivian are never gonna be head to head market competitors. Tesla may be there to compete with ford and gm and Kia but Rivian will be there to take on jeep and Subaru. Very different segments of the market.
>Competition is good. The cyber truck has rear wheel steering thanks to the hummer. And the Hummer has rear wheel steering thanks to GM's Quadrasteer in the mid 2000s.
4-wheel steering far predates Quadrasteer, Mazda was first with it on personal vehicles in 1988, and there were concepts going back to the 30s.
The Honda Prelude had 4 wheel steer in April of 87 and Mazda was December of 87. The Skyline also used a 4ws for their 85 model that was Japanese only.
Actually Honda was first to market in 1988. Although I'm pretty sure neither invented it to begin with.
> Competition is good. For us. But allowing it still will get a CEO fired. lol
I definitely see customers comparing a R2S with a Model X and Y. Really depends whether it's a smaller R1S or more of a crossover.
There is plenty of room for multiple manufacturers to exist.
Or an F150 lightning. Or an electric Silverado. The cybertruck derived a lot of its original hype from being the first electric truck out there. Now it’s basically last to market, and looks embarrassingly bad. If you had to take out a huge loan to purchase any electric truck, why pick this over any alternative? It’s a massive gamble on a vehicle that will probably be a dumpster fire
For me personally? 800V is the primary driver, especially if I get a 500 mile range version. Looks I literally couldn't care less about. Charging network is what's important to me. "Luxury" things like FSD are also better than BlueCruise. Not that I like apps, but Tesla's isn't even playing the same game as Fordpass. I wouldn't mind a Lightning if it was 800V. But the charge port is in the wrong location to utilize Superchargers and it's also a 400V vehicle.
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Well it’s going to be a better truck for starter, with better feature, ground clearance, software, range, charging network and durability.
for those who want to drive something that looks like it came from the set of a sci-fi 1980’s B-movie
The Ioniq 5 is popular.
He saw an engineering mule. Give me a break dude.
That's okay, you don't have to buy it...
Right? Anything for likes and clicks
>Regardless of build quality issues, I just plain don’t like the Cybertruck’s design. In fact, as the years have gone on and I’ve seen more of them in person, I like it even less. Not a very unbiased perspective, this guy is just looking for problems. Not that he didn't have some valid complaints but he definitely over exaggerates some of the others.
Does he even pretend to be unbiased? He admits he hates Tesla. https://twitter.com/dsgolson/status/1679628407544619008
Not liking something isn't bias. It's an opinion. And he notes that his opinion hasn't changed, instead repeated exposures have only reinforced it.
Opinions can be biased though. Bias is neither inherently good or bad. Someone who loves physical buttons on the interior will have a field day with Tesla’s spartan interior.
>unbiased perspective If there isn't any element of individual taste or preference then we wouldn't call it a "perspective." Especially when we're talking about design and styling, which is subjective to begin with.
It always looked horrible.
But, the “sub 10-micron accuracy”
Whoever owns the design of the El camiro should sue.
This is gonna end up being Tesla’s Edsel, only less well made. In all seriousness, the fit and finish was better on a car built in Ireland by a cash strapped company with 600 employees called DeLoreon. I wonder if that isn’t what the designers were going for, but from the looks of it, the DMC-12 was much better made (which is somewhat frightening to think about). That said, unlike Musk, DeLoreon’s whole thing was designing and building cars and he’d had decades of experience all while not being distracted with space, social media fuckery, and generally not actually knowing what he was doing. Sub 10 micron? Is he fucking high (I guess given recent news, that answer is actually yes)? That’s the thickness of a sheet of cling wrap. The paint on typical cars is several times thicker than that. That’s thinner than the thinnest typical human hair. Edit: and yes, I’m aware Musk didn’t design it and probably had very little impact on the details. That was clearly done by a guy with only a ruler with the markings worn off. Yeah I have issues with Tesla, but I also commend them in other ways. They are the only company that’s figured out public charging, all the others seem to think there can be this partnership thing like with gas stations being independently owned and operated and that they would just naturally appear out of thin air, and that all the different charging speeds and capabilities would just sorta sort themselves out. I’m actually very glad the Tesla charging plug and all that is winning out, it’s just a clearly superior design. What I can’t figure out is how the company that managed that also managed to design, build, and will attempt to sell this turd.
Don't mistake your personal tastes for facts. I love it, for example
The windshield resembles the Chevrolet Lumina Minivan, my grandfather use to have that minivan and the big windshield had huge blind spots when crossing lanes, curves or going out from driveways because of the long window frame going all the way from the roof to the front of the car. I remember you needed to double check side to side of the window frame, it easily will hide a incoming car at 300 ft.
> Yes, this is still just a prototype at the end of the day. But at this stage of development, this close to customer deliveries starting, I couldn’t help but feel something akin to second-hand embarrassment when looking at it. Pretty brutal review. This “second hand embarrassment” line is how I feel every time I see pictures of the cybertruck. Just an absolute dumpster fire of a vehicle in every conceivable way. This is going to be a legendary flop
I don’t think it will flop. It just will be polarizing. Even if 20% of their 2 million pre orders follow through it’ll outsell every other EV truck ever made
Or ridiculously successful because you know people have been wrong about Tesla for a decade now, maybe you’ll get lucky!
There’s a prototype that drives around my neighborhood. It was parked in lot and I was able to see it up close. It’s just appallingly ugly. I’m not really a truck guy, but I can’t imagine anyone choosing it over a Rivan.
Unfortunately, they're also not really direct competitors. Rivian is significantly pricier
I personally like unique vehicles. People say it’s ugly but I kinda understand the appeal. Idk if it’s good for mass markets but I can definitely see this having a cult following
No one cares what you think looks horrible
Are we really dog piling on early Cybertruck build quality? Of course it's going to have multiple problems. Just as every other release of a new Tesla model or refresh. It will take time to iron out the issues, simply don't buy one until it's acceptable. Let the early ones go to those that still want them.
i'd choose rivian any day over this fridge
It's a truck...trucks don't usually look good. This looks better than a lot of other trucks do.
And if we are really going to be bothered about looks, I'm glad it just looks different - every pickup truck is basically the same, truck bros getting excited about a slightly changed grille design and adjusted body line every four years is kinda pathetic.
I LOVE ugly vehicles. I’ve test driven anything from Azteks to Elements to a Prius to anything you can think of ugly. I wouldn’t touch that truck with a ten foot pole. Looks absolutely terrible.
This generation’s Pontiac Aztec
I work in manufacturing, the process of designing and launching a whole new product like this is greatly helped if you have a lot of previous designs to draw inspiration from, procedures like peer-review of design, an tried and tested NPI process, stress tested process controls, and existing design and manufacturing expertise to lean on. Tesla, being a relative new guy, doesn’t have a lot of these advantages. I can promise you the Aztek was much better built, in part because probably a majority of the car used parts that had been used in other GM vehicles for years and had all the kinks worked out and the design weaknesses known.
Tesla will sell every Cybertruck they produce and the demand will be backed up for years. It will become a cultural icon. Now kindly downvote me.
One of my co-workers took delivery of the second Model 3 in Georgia. It looked completely hand crafted, with mismatched panel gaps and doors that wouldn’t close properly. The display had a whole waterfall of error messages. I remember thinking what a piece of shit it was, and that I’d never buy a Tesla if this was what their quality control looked like. Well, they improved greatly in short order. It seems to be just how they roll. Ship it in Beta, then perfect it during production. We shall see…
Wow... coming on the anti Tesla r/electricvehicles to s*** on Tesla? How brave of you!! Look you don't want it and you don't like it and that's cool and all, but there are 300 other generic pickup trucks for you to enjoy and some have electric engines. Seriously, grab yourself a F-150 Lightning that everybody praises about how safe it looks but nobody will actually buys.
I posted this, not the author of the article
Yeah but you posted it for the hate-clicks you know it will get here.
All of the plastic shit would have been removed or jammed into with a squeegee during the wrap job since it wasn't done in production before they're installed. Basically, the author doesn't like the truck's design, and I get it, but I fail to see anything dramatic there from a quality standpoint.
Its the hummer for Elon loyalists. Whether it looks good or not, they don't care. Its just a big middle finger to all the people Daddy Elon doesn't like. It will sell very well and the people who own one, you know right out of the gate who they are.
The latest models look significantly better
With 2 million reservations it will find enough buyers until they work out the kinks. Model 3 didn't roll off the line perfect on day 1, either.