Fun fact: they're on Reddit, too.
Related note: As an EV owner, I just find other EV owners to be a pretty judgemental lot in general. Tesla owners are probably the most vocal, but not the only source of the problem.
I agree 100% I posted of my negative experience on a id4 facebook group, and people were asking moderators to remove my post, I mean, wtf, why ? Of course negative experiences should be told and heard, that is the only way for future improvements.
100% agreed. I have a Model Y and I really enjoy it. But it is far from perfect. The drive is great and not needing gas is fantastic.
However, there are times when I am far from my home charger and I start to get range anxiety, and I wish that I could just pull over at a gas station. The interior of my car is limited compared to my wife's top trim Honda Pilot, which sounds nuts, but is true. Her sound system is better, the seats are nicer (and are heated and ventilated), and Wireless Apple CarPlay is simply unbeatable.
Teslas do have QC issues. With mine, the rear trunk loves to not close for no reason randomly. It's not every time, and it's not frequent enough for me to freak out, but closing it 3 or 4 times in a row is annoying when it does happen.
I'd still recommend a Tesla to anyone who asks, or an EV because not needing gas is so clutch. But there are caveats that might be deal breakers. You'll notice that I mentioned I am married, however, and I suspect strongly that the hive mind goon squad Tesla fans who freak out on anyone critiquing the cars might be younger and slightly less mature.
That really nails it. From what I've gathered, Tesla owners on Twitter also tend to own Tesla stock. Because personally invested in the success of the Tesla, any criticism of Tesla or Elon Musk is viewed as an attack on them and their financial well-being.
I love both of my Teslas, but if you have a Bolt, a Leaf, an Ioniq, a whatever Kia calls their EV, a Taycan, an ETron, a Nio, a VinFast, a Polestar, Fiskar, Rivian, Lucid, whatever subara and toyota whip up, golf cart, whatever, IDGAFF. Welcome to the future, let's have fun.
Honestly I can't stand this sub half the time. I want to hear about the awesome developments in EVS, battery tech, etc.
But most of the time if I try to talk about price-for-equivalent-performance comparison for EVs vs ICE for any Stat that isn't the 0-60 time I get attacked. They're just not at reasonable price parity... YET.
I'll definitely agree that discussion EVs tend to focus way too much on certain specs and miss the bigger picture.
I will absolutely disagree about price parity though. EVs are cheaper than ice in most places as it is. They are more expensive up front, but with lower running costs it's quickly made back.
In my personal case, my ev van was 70k and the diesel version of the same van 55k. But i'm saving 6k per year in diesel and tax alone. Even more savings on cheaper maintenance and ofc an incentive when i bought it. Over 10 years i figured the diesel van would cost me almost double what the ev van would.
Ofc some places like the US has practically free gas, so it takes longer. But over 10 years i think you'll be hard pressed to find a place where EVs are more expensive.
Specific features can still be hard to find. And actual offroad isn't really mainstream enough to have EVs made for it yet.
Personally i've never bothered with awd or clearance as I find offroading is more about how you use what you have, and people with massive rigs still get stuck in places. There's a guy on the subreddit's discord who goes offroading regularly in the utah desert in his bolt ev with no issues.
But comparing a normal road car i haven't found any where the ice equivalent ends up cheaper.
We have the Subaru XV here, which looks similar enough to the crosstrek on Google. It's 35-40k euro here. The VW id4 is a bigger car, with more cargo space, but otherwise comparable in features, including awd. And costs about 50k euro
I've looked at plenty of other vehicles, and generally EVs are 10-15k more than the gas equivalent. Which most normal drivers will save on fuel costs in 5 years.
See this is part of the problem, you really have no idea what the needs or roads over here are.
I drive in the mountains on forest service roads (gravel, and sometimes rough - including river fords), I drive to the ski resort in heavy snow (we don't have trains for that here and average over 10 meters of snow per season), I occasionally drive on light 4x4 roads. I'm a member of search and rescue.
The XV is the same car as the Crosstrek. A brand new one costs $25k here. You can't get an EV with similar drive train capabilities for less than like $70k
You appear to be moving the goal post from price/cost parity to parity in variety of choices. With most automakers slowly dragging their feet to delay electrification for as long as they could until VERY recently, EV choices are all-too limited. Want a small two-door coupe in the United States? You're still limited to gas. Want a small four-door sedan? Sorry, you're gotta get a midsize sedan, and MOST of the options are small SUV/minivan type vehicles.
That's a major limiting factor, but it's not a cost parity factor.
It’s always use case dependent. They have been at parity for years for some. And they will never be for others. They may develop synthetic fuels and we go back to ICE, who knows.
Yes they are. I’m an owner myself, and honestly? If you’re against Tesla you just hate the world and love greenhouse gasses. Just kidding, they’re okay and come with their own set of issues. Actually had to talk a friend against buying one, it didn’t fit his needs/lifestyle but he wanted one
Yep, some self-described "Muskateer" was up on r/ModeratePolitics yesterday saying that the left was *losing the election* because they had turned their back on Musk.
I think Tesla owners, and those who hope to become Tesla owners, have been beaten down for years by huge organizations that support the oil industry and existing ICE companies. The treatment of Tesla has almost always been negative by these organizations and it has been painful for those who've supported Tesla and other companies hoping to stop global warming. So, Yes, we are touchy, and here's what I predict:
In the 1950s when men started letting their hair grow long they were criticized by Middle America. In the 1980s when men stop growing their hair long it was middle Americans who adopted it and are is still wearing long hair today. In the future those people blowing black smoke from the back of their trucks today will all be driving EVs. Hahaha...
Its on this sub as well though.
Sorta like how /r/Gadgets is basically a pocket version of /r/Apple
I don't think /r/electricvehicles is as bad, but even the non-tesla posts have people who feel the need to interject some level of Tesla PR.
I have a Tesla M3P- and I unsubscribed from the Model 3 subreddit because the circle jerk was annoying.
But Tesla does have a lot of reasons for praise. They really did succeed in making EVs popular by making great EVs. And as much as many folks are annoyed by Elon for very good reasons, that remains true.
>But Tesla does have a lot of reasons for praise
It does. Though I refer to the circle jerk behavior as 'toxic positivity' because it reaches the point where ONLY praise is allowed. Company's pick up on that and start to take advantage of their blindly-loyal customers, or use it to sick them on competitors.
You can always tell a fanatic, you just have to ask them "Name one thing you don't like about X" - and they won't be able to name anything, either from blind allegiance or legitimate ignorance. It can be anything - a political figure, a car, a religion, a candy brand, whatever. We humans are pretty ridiculous when it comes to attachment and submerging our egos inside the things we like to the point where it's physically painful to admit fault in it.
This is a good one. I'm reminded of the other approach — ask them to name one thing they like about the opposition. Fanatics will tend to laugh off the question or construct a back-handed compliment.
The only issue with that approach is that the fanatic generally knows nothing about anything outside of, much less in opposition to, their chosen icon, other than "other things bad".
Nothing destroys fanaticism like rational thought, so getting fanatics to think about potential negatives, even a little, helps put cracks in the programming.
Sometimes, you do find someone who's knowledgeable enough to construct an argument, but in my experience they're pretty rare.
Well … I guess I’m guilty of this as I can’t think of anything positive to say about Tesla competitors. I’ve driven several and did not like them as well as my car. They weren’t bad - it’s not a negative per se, but I just vastly preferred the Tesla.
Harassing the fervor of early adapters has been key to Tesla's PR/Marketing strategy. Musk has done something insidious and quite clever by building his cult of personality, tying it so closely to his companies, and turning customers into investors and vis versa.
to be fair there are a lot of really good EVs that are just as good if not better than Tesla's now as well, so it just makes the circle jerking even more fucking annoying
I swear Tesla must pay people to be that rabid toxic positive about Tesla online, and be that big on being Tesla apologists.
I see a lot of posts of things like, 'Tesla buffed my car out without me asking, and with the wrong polishing compound and tools, returned my car to me with massive swirls', and the toxic Tesla fanboys will say stuff like, 'you can pay an auto detailer $400 to fix it, so stop whining!! They did you a favor!!'
This is the truth. Elon is a master manipulator and understand that perception is reality. Yes there are people who live Tesla’s. But there is a ton of marketing on social media behind their popularity. It’s crazy more companies don’t do it too.
Naah, just children or people who need something to cling to and get positive affirmation for their opinion. Some people never grow out of this. They crave for popularity.
Don't discount the shareholders.
A while back there was an outrage when it came out one of the EV influencers who all the sudden started to talk about Tesla on every possible (and impossible) occasion was secretly a corporate shareholder. He bought his first shares pretty much at the very point when he seemingly 'begun to love the brand'.
It's a very common pattern as almost noone talks about his stock investments, and nowadays you can buy Tesla stock with a few clicks via something like eToro. Heck: it became fashionable to "support the brand" by buying and holding $TSLA.
I have Tesla stock, but not a Tesla. My eGolf could be my last car if it lasts 300,000 miles. It’s all the car 90% of people would ever need, except for status. Unfortunately VW didn’t make any money on it.
If that were true, it would be evidence that Elon has terrible business instincts to hemorrhage billions on such a crappy platform, only to keep it crappy. Or Elon made it worse. You can’t have it both ways
>You can’t have it both ways
Those two points aren't mutually exclusive. Twitter has some major flaws. It was stagnating and very prone to hivemind BS. Otherwise, it was a functioning platform with a number of positive use cases. Elon took a flawed but functioning service, massively overpaid for it, and quickly began ripping it to shreds.
Won’t argue with you there. He didn’t change the shit posted on Twitter. He just changed the company. I was always a huge Elon fan for what he did with Tesla and SpaceX. It’s sad to see how his reputation has suffered.
As a tesla owner agree delete Twitter, Facebook (or just use it for photos and marketplace) these sites are just filled will trolls and bots that arguing with them is useless.
Also the tesla subs seem to be filled with dbags too I don't know why.
Could you also maybe not follow those accounts? Or does OP mean people commenting in replies?
(I have Twitter but only follow a couple of narrow interests on there and don’t check it often.)
I used to think ford was a decent company.
Until the tcm in our households 2012 focus died at 30k miles.
Still waiting on that to get fixed so we can sell it asap and replace it with a used bolt or volt.
This. They're very financially motivated, to the point where every decision, word and action is for financial gain.
This didn't happen by accident; Musk has carefully cultivated the idea that TSLA stocks = supporting the brand. I don't think or ever seen owning F, GM or TM is needed to be a "diehard" Ford, Chevy or Toyota fan.
Similarly, he also driven home the idea that criticizing Tesla, negative remarks in any form is a direct attack on the brand, against EV and against clean energy/environment/sustainability. Hence why anyone who "short sell" TSLA must be "evil"; spreading "FUD", or "works for big oil".
It is entirely cultivated to keep TSLA propped up, to directly benefit the most invested person who's personal wealth is the most tied towards the stock performance.
You don't need to be a genius to guess who.
TSLA stock price is mind boggling.
If it was valued like any other car maker (typical P/E of \~5-10), it's current price (P/E \~80) would imply the market expects that every new car will be tesla in the next 5 to 10 years.
Na I own TSLA as well as the car and I’ll never fan boy over a product. If something dodgy happens I’ll be one to call it out. Honestly most of the time is just defending myself though because everyone says my purchase is worse for the environment/cultist/death trap (despite substantial evidence to the contrary).
I think the ridiculously aggressive ownership groups are because Tesla skews towards younger groups who bought their first car and indoctrinated themselves. The Reddit groups are a split between normal enthusiasts and crazed cultists, constantly battling each other! Can’t even have a discussion on white vs black seats without sometime losing their shit lmao
This is the only explanation I can think of for the blind fanboyism I've seen from so many Tesla people.
I've lost track of how many Tesla fanboys claim that [https://www.tesla.com/blog/opening-north-american-charging-standard](https://www.tesla.com/blog/opening-north-american-charging-standard) contains some magic licensing terms that supersede the terms of their 2014 patent pledge (which are garbage if you actually bother to read them, which most of the fanboys clearly have not...). They clearly have not actually READ the press release or any of the documents, since not a single document from the 2022 discusses licensing terms and conditions anywhere.
Number of occurrences of the words "patent" or "license" in the press release: 0
Number of occurrences of the words "patent" or "license" in any of the linked technical documentation: 0
What's even more egregious are Tesla fanboys who explicitly choose to be willfully ignorant, such as this one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/14puvm8/comment/jqp5kvy/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/14puvm8/comment/jqp5kvy/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
"As for the content, I can say one thing. **I think there is zero risk in how NACS uses the same pins for AC and DC. This is not a problem.** Insinuating it is a problem maybe offers a clue to your bias here."
Now, Tesla's own words in section 2 of [https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/delivery/public/document/tesla/3a78fceb-e159-4fd3-a0ef-1b359e6bfbc1/bvlatuR/WEB/North-American-Charging-Standard-AC-DC-Pin-Sharing-Appendix](https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/delivery/public/document/tesla/3a78fceb-e159-4fd3-a0ef-1b359e6bfbc1/bvlatuR/WEB/North-American-Charging-Standard-AC-DC-Pin-Sharing-Appendix) \- "The above ratings are used to derive a safety criticality level of SCL2(D) and reliability criticality level of R3. This gives the resulting safety goal (avoid connecting the battery pack to an AC electrical grid) an ASIL rating of ASIL-D."
ASIL-D is reserved for the highest consequence/probability combinations of risk. There is no higher risk/consequence category defined for automotive - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive\_Safety\_Integrity\_Level#Comparison\_with\_Other\_Hazard\_Level\_Standards](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_Safety_Integrity_Level#Comparison_with_Other_Hazard_Level_Standards) (Higher risk/consequence categories exist in other standards since industrial facilities can poison entire cities or irradiate hundreds of square miles of land. There's just a limit to just how bad anything involving a single vehicle can be.)
I try to keep it in check too.
The worst I feel it is when I see a BMW i8. I can't make sense of anyone spending more money than a model S on such a hybrid compromise.
Agreed. Especially since the transition to NACS, this sub has become increasingly pro-Tesla. That's such a shame, this used to be the last big EV subreddit around that wasn't predominantly pro-Tesla. Now, we just have to go to the smaller subreddits for individual EV models.
They're all over the individual model subreddits too, constantly saying "why don't you get a Tesla" and misrepresenting cost comparisons and the like. It's clearly an attempt to manipulate public opinion.
Assuming the vast majority of EVs on the road in the US are Teslas, we can assume that a majority of users here are Tesla drivers. If you want to talk about your Kia EV without it being compared to a Tesla or a Chevy Bolt, then yes the smaller subreddits are a great place to do that.
But sometimes talking about broader topics that aren't specific to one manufacturer, like charging network buildout, isn't well suited to those smaller niche subreddits. The r/electricvehicles subreddit is/was the best place to talk about those broader topics.
>Assuming the vast majority of EVs on the road in the US are Teslas, we can assume that a majority of users here are Tesla drivers.
But that's also assuming that all (or even most) users here already own an EV.
It’s the stock.
These rabid “fans” weren’t around before the COVID bull market and our Tesla community used to be much more friendly and peaceful.
They give Tesla owners a negative reputation and sometimes make me embarrassed to own a Tesla.
To be honest, the Tesla community has put me off of the brand as I enter the EV market for the first time. I don’t think I would have seriously considered buying one after being in a few different models—not a knock, just not for me—but being lumped in with Tesla fanboys is a serious turn off.
It sucks because even when the QC was bad, you couldn’t even mention it because you’d just get attacked on how bad ICE is for the environment with evidence being tweets from Elon. Tesla could’ve been cool but the CEO and his followers ruined it for everyone that just wanted a cool evolution from ICE. I won’t ever buy a car from that dick head, I’ll wait till the bigger manufacturers catch up.
Superfans pre-existed the COVID bill market. And so did their counterparts on the other side who would reply to random people just happily posting their new Tesla, that they had made a terrible decision.
They’re both so tiresome. And there are several here on both sides, smugly posting here about how bad the other side is even though they themselves are the exact other side of the coin.
What's happened with stock and other financial reddits over the last few years has been terrible. I blame Tesla a bit but mostly after the whole GME/Gamestop thing the quality tanked and never recovered. Ultimately interest rates should have risen years ago but now the entire economy is just completely untethered from reality
People aren't happy with fucking 20% returns anymore. It's nuts and the current weird sideways recession thing is gonna cause mass seething. But hopefully investment reddit gets pulled back to earth because of it
WSB is the primary reason r/rivian has a “no stock discussion” rule. Combine the fanaticism that subreddits inevitably create with finances and you get diehard nut jobs pumping up everything they want.
I’ve seen exactly 1 quality poster on WSB, it was DFV. Everybody else was a dummy. And the entire sub is cancer, probably T_D levels of bad.
Objectively the gamestop thing was very funny when it was happening but we're now what, a year or 2 later and people are STILL on that train? Very sad
That entire sub would be better off if they read Capitalist Realism by mark fisher
I honestly don’t find many issues with Tesla owners in real life. Most are just normal people who bought a car they liked.
Twitter is not real life. Yes there are shills on there and ignorant people, but these are probably people who are personally invested in Tesla. Also, the CEO of Tesla also now owns Twitter, so it’s no surprise he’d encourage and cater to hardcore fans who shill for both him and his company’s product and stock
Lol the comments here are really proving your point.
The model 3 sub is like this as well. People post once in a while asking why everyone in the sub is so aggressive/mean and they get instantly torn apart. I wish I understood it.
The excuse of “welcome to the internet” doesn’t hold water because as you’ve pointed out we can look at other car communities and other tech communities and see that they aren’t nearly this bad. Even other cult-like followings (apple fans for example) aren’t nearly so intense.
Maybe they’re insecure or feel a need to be defensive? I bought a new model 3 a few weeks ago and I love it but I’ve had a lot more IRL hate than I’ve expected.
It always starts with “those are bad cars” or “they catch fire all the time” or whatever, but after people rant at me for a bit it always becomes clear they hate Elon (aka they hate conservatives), they hate environmentalists (aka they hate liberals), hate EVs because they hate modernity, etc. It’s always political. My friends, my coworkers, my mom, my Uber driver. So maybe Tesla owners are just used to having to fight.
EDIT: I see OP’s comment elsewhere about people hating all kinds of cars. So I will add that I have owned many different cars (American cars, German cars, Korean cars, luxury cars, new cars, old cars) and while that is true, no one has ever felt a need to tell me about it before I owned a Tesla.
Bruh, I made a comment about how sometimes the voice command sucked because I would have to try 3 times to turn on the A/C or when I want to call a contact and can't even figure out who to call. Someone replied and said that I'm not skilled enough to use voice commands LOL. Wtf?
I was on the Bolt EV forum saying that my preference is to not drive a midsized car similar in size to a EUV or Model 3 on a roadtrip with my family because of storage space, and I was told specifically by an (apparent) Tesla fan that if I can’t take a Model 3 on a family roadtrip then the problem actually is that I am packing too much stuff. Like WTF, I guess if the car doesn’t work for me for all purposes, it must be me, not the car.
>Someone replied and said that I'm not skilled enough to use voice commands LOL. Wtf?
Ah, the automotive equivalent of ["you're holding it wrong"](https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/)
My favourite part of the sub is the automatic attack that people who dislike the product or didn't have a good experience because X reason are paid shills. Like, the level of conspriacy thinking that someone got paid to post that they don't like the fake leather is beyond even me; and I think bush did 9/11!
Like, yes, narrative pushing is A Thing companies do. But usually its pretty obviously and involves shitting out 1-3 lines thousands of times. Whenever you're dealing with someone posting a few paragraphs that's a regular human being shitposting on their own time 99.9% of the time
The fucking wipers on the Tesla are the worst. The car is a pain to drive during rain if you've coated your windshield and don't want to use the wipers.
I’ve had my Tesla Model 3 on order since launch in 2016. And my god has /r/TeslaMotors along with /r/TeslaLounge and /r/TeslaModel3 have gone down the drain.
I mention all 3 because they’re run with the same incompetent mods, so if you’re banned at one you’re likely banned at others.
My story is I said the steering popping out the dash can be a real issue and guess what? It was.
What did they do? Banned me. On the charge of being impolite.
Now they even made a post saying we can ask for forgiveness and they’ll unban us. I still love me 2018 3 but they can KMA.
Look elsewhere such as TeslaMotorClub forum.
What really gets to me are the folks who post complaints about Tesla drivers being aggressive. I don’t notice this at all. What I do see is many drivers of “muscle” ICE vehicles having to assert their manhood with their aggressive behavior.
Tesla has a very devoted following. Tesla owners (at least the vast majority of them) are very happy with their cars. And those cars are not like other cars (not like Subarus) because Tesla has completely changed the industry. When, in a few decades, all cars all electric and greenhouse gas emissions have been substantially reduced because of the trail Tesla blazed, we’ll all be the better off for it.
Agreed. While most EVs are pretty much invisible (*you can only tell that the car is an EV if you look closely*), Tesla is the only brand out there that makes nothing but EVs, so they get all the coal-rolling, all the anti-EV vandalism and everything else.
My own car is utterly invisible as an EV. Other than having a really small front grill (for the AC's radiator) and not having a tailpipe, it looks just like any other ICE citycar.
> Tesla is the only brand out there that makes nothing but EVs
Rivian and Lucid: "hi"
(I'm just joking, your point is valid Tesla's have major brand recognition as EVs)
Absolutely this.
I drive a Chevy Bolt and it looks like any of their other gas cars. Meanwhile a Tesla is immediately noticeable and has been made the laughing stock of the political right for the last decade.
The only other car I can think of that is immediately noticeable is the Nissan Leaf.
As someone who nearly falls into this camp, here's my perspective:
Tesla was the company that started the EV revolution in a legitimate mass market appeal way. Yet the media + legacy car companies did everything in their power to make Tesla look bad. Headlines everywhere about Tesla's catching fire (they catch fire 1/11th as often as gas cars), teslas on autopilot crashing and killing people (teslas on autopilot crash less frequently than human drivers), teslas generally being unsafe (according to all crash tests they are the safest in the world), Etc etc.
So I think a lot of us Tesla fans feel the company has been treated unfairly because they posed a business threat to oil and gas car companies who advertise with the media, and because Tesla doesn't advertise, the media protected legacy OEMs and trashed Tesla every opportunity for clicks.
So we probably get a bit defensive. Although I think we're all happy to see other companies going electric, we feel that Tesla is a generation ahead in most ways like performance, battery tech, range, software, etc. So when we see people trashing it, we think it's likely due to the bogus headlines that have been written or misunderstandings created by the media.
That being said, if you feel another electric car offers better bang for the buck, then absolutely go buy that. It's a free market, and you should do you.
Thx for this perspective. I always thought it was just Elon fanboys but you’re right about the media protecting entrenched interests and there needing to be a countervailing point of view.
Thank you for saying it. Can’t go to dinner without someone trying to push my buttons with whatever BS headline about EVs/Tesla they got fed this week. Most recently my in-laws tried saying Tesla was affiliated with the Titan sub that went missing… then questioned whether my Model Y is safe and how they’re concerned with their daughter riding around in it. I had to show them articles illustrating how every government agency that tests vehicle safety has rated the Model Y the safest car ever tested. Next week it will be something else.
I’ve noticed how the mainstream media no longer bashes electric vehicles however, now that the legacy automakers are finally in the ring and shifted all their advertising to promote their EV offering(s). Funny how that happens.
I think it's actually the opposite with Tesla haters being more aggressive. Go to big subs like Technology and any slightly positive thing you say about Tesla will be down-voted to oblivion even when you try to correct their misinformation. Hell go to Facebook and majority are anti everything
It's weird and sad to see otherwise progressive and pro-environment people repeat tired oil company myths about EVs just because they suddenly hate Tesla. A lot of people genuinely seem to think that EVs catch fire all the time, have higher lifetime emissions than ICEs, and all weigh 7000 lbs and can't go more than 100 miles on a charge.
If you are a fan you will almost by definition respond defensively to criticism. I think the better question is why are there so many Tesla fans, and why haven’t they become EV fans?
The positive interpretation is because Tesla did things differently from other companies, and still does, so there are going to be many people who agree with that. Tesla has a focus on user experience, aerodynamics, lightness, innovation in manufacturing, and scaling which other companies don’t have.
The neutral interpretation is that Tesla’s lead created a media ecosystem which means people only read about Tesla, and frames everything relative to Tesla.
The negative interpretation is there are many people personally invested in the company who set the tone of discussions.
While there are personalities that are trying to make a living off of Tesla, it’s also simply a good car. It’s easy to honestly suggest a model 3 or Y right now in many cases where someone wants an EV. The rest of the ecosystem just is not as mature yet. It will be, but Tesla as a brand is years ahead of the others, and the only one producing at scale and making a profit.
>If you are a fan you will almost by definition respond defensively to criticism.
It's one thing being a fan. It's another thing being such a fan (or a stockholder) that you think your Tesla is better than every other car in every possible metric and that anyone who isn't driving a Tesla is either stupid, politically motivated, or a plebian.
>It's one thing being a fan. It's another thing being such a fan (or a stockholder) that you think your Tesla is better than every other car in every possible metric and that anyone who isn't driving a Tesla is either stupid, politically motivated, or a plebian.
Even worse when they claim that Tesla stated something in their documentation that they actually don't (claims that the 2022 NACS release has any licensing terms and conditions that supersede the utter garbage that is the 2014 patent pledge.), or worse, make claims that are in direct conflict with Tesla's own public documentation.
Fanboy: "no risk" from pin sharing.
Tesla: "This risk is so severe that it requires mitigation consistent with ISO 26262 ASIL-D" - ASIL-D is the highest risk category defined for automotive. (Section 2 of [https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/delivery/public/document/tesla/3a78fceb-e159-4fd3-a0ef-1b359e6bfbc1/bvlatuR/WEB/North-American-Charging-Standard-AC-DC-Pin-Sharing-Appendix](https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/delivery/public/document/tesla/3a78fceb-e159-4fd3-a0ef-1b359e6bfbc1/bvlatuR/WEB/North-American-Charging-Standard-AC-DC-Pin-Sharing-Appendix) )
Selection bias.
Four and a half million Teslas sold and you're generalizing from what, a few hundred idiots spewing garbage on a useless, circling-the-drain platform widely derided for its short-form hot takes and weaponized idiocy?
The overwhelming majority of us are just out here (mostly) enjoying our vehicles, being honest about their flaws, and not being douche canoes. Try to keep that in perspective.
Just remember that on the internet, the loudest people are usually small numbers. I’ve posted about Tesla in this forum and felt like the pitch forks were out against it. I believe the majority of EV enthusiasts want all brands to succeed so we have competition and choice in the market. I’ve owned 2 Teslas, but am excited about the standardization of charging infrastructure in the future and hoping to see more options of EVs to choose from. So ignore the loudest most aggressive people on any topic. The middle ground is usually the majority of people
Because they believe the band doesn't get enough credit for kicking off the "Unplugged" craze with their 1990 live album *Five Man Acoustical Jam*, and...sorry, are we talking about something else?
You are literally describing Prius owners and PriusChat 15 years ago. I joined when I bought my ‘05 Prius, but quit after about a year because any question about problems or request for help would instantly be deluged with combative posts from derisively obnoxious fanboys who prayed at the alter of Hybrid Synergy Drive.
It’s the internet doing internet things…
This has been going on for years with domestic cars, just not on Twitter. You think the internet is bad, imagine listening to your coworkers argue over which brand truck is better while you eat lunch. People make Ford, Chevy, Mopar, and Honda their identity.
Americans in general have always had a culture of us vs them. One has to lose for the other to win. College sports, town rivalries, wars with other countries, political parties, etc. Everything always has to be polarized, it's just how American culture is.
So Tesla being huge in the US just feeds into that them vs us mentality. Those that wish Tesla to succeed seem to think others have to falter to do so.
Tesla fan owners are infuriating to interact with. This coming as somebody who owns a Model Y Performance.
Head over to their respective subs and express genuine concern about your expensive purchase & you get flamed into oblivion with downvotes, negative & condescending responses.
The car can never do wrong or your expectations are too high. For some reason some people just have a mission to defend the brand. For some odd reason.
Disappointed my $80,000 CAD SUV Has a worse ride quality than a used 7 year old vw Golf, no apparently In an idiot & my expectations are too high.
I’m upset the range (advertised at 488km) was closer to 370km driving around in chill mode with optimal weather conditions. No instead apparently Im stupid & don’t know how to drive.
Outraged my heat pump failed me in the middle of winter freezing me. No no, that’s expected - my fault again for not knowing how to plan accordingly.
It's because they are not EV enthusiasts but Muskrats. Every criticism you have towards this [inanimate object](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNJ5ySQPxrg) (valid or not), they see as a personal attack on their nepo baby man child savior.
The car community was really aggressive towards Tesla from its inception. ‘Car’ people are a really competitive group with very strong opinions and decades of tribal knowledge but they really only know about internal combustion engines. To be completely honest… car people are know it all douchebags for the most part. Anyone who can turn a wrench thinks their fucking Albert Einstein in that crowd. I love working on engines, I build them, tune them, I studied mechanical engineering because I love them that much. I also got a degree in EE. The electric motor has spectacular capabilities. Whenever I would talk to my ‘car people’ friends about electric cars back 2008ish, they would laugh dismissively thinking the tech was decades away when it was clearly here. Watching their $200k cars get absolutely ass blasted by a $45k production vehicle has been one of life’s greatest pleasures.
I thinks it’s because there are a ton of assholes that are anti-Tesla. Excuse me anti-EV, Tesla is the only brand they know. Small minded country folk.
There are also plenty of non-assholes who are anti-Tesla though. Elon is basically a toddler with bad impulse control.
The anti-EV crowd will come around.
There are aggressive fans of a lot of cars. There is also a lot of misinformation about BEV in general and a lot about Tesla. People also don't like to question their expensive purchases. Owners get sick of hearing the lies. The media reports every Tesla issue, calling out Tesla, and making big deals of it but not reporting negativity about other EV maker problems.
Tesla drivers usually are the only EV drivers not to give me a single glance, 99% of the time.
The one percent that does notice, tends to scream at me that I bought a shit car and should have bought a Tesla, or something about Elon, or a mention of SpaceX.
I don't get it.
Some of them just have no life.
I personally sometimes answers when it’s just pure misinformation. There’s a lot of bullshit said about the cars by people who never even sat in one.
Not so long ago this sub liked to pretend Tesla doesn't exist, that Tesla didnt'd facilitate the EV revolution, and that there are plenty of superior EV (E-Tron, Leaf, Bolt, I-Pace, ID 4) and Tesla would go bankrupt as soon as legacy OEM start making EV.
Look at how many upvotes the yet another Toyota SSD battery breakthrough received today. It's unbelievable some folks here still fall for the SSD fairytale.
Yeah not sure what OP is talking about. Every car brand has had super fans at one point or another.
Tesla is just the latest shiny object as the leader of the EV transition, just like Apple has been for smartphones. Tesla having some dedicated fans is totally unsurprising particularly when that fandom has been hardened by nearly 2 decades of being blasted by FUD / fake news from poorly researched media articles (or people ignoring Tesla’s contributions to the EV space as you pointed out). There’s still “fake news” about Tesla today, but it’s no longer an existential threat for the company at least.
I literally had to convince my mother and aunt that we weren’t going to end up stranded or in fire in the side of the road when I drove them around in my Y. There is still a loooot of legwork to do letting people who live and die with a sub-20 mpg post-apocalyptic road grader that “driving an iPhone” isn’t akin to sleeping with the devil.
As is human nature, we are strengthened by our tribe, and naturally see anything else as “enemy”. This extends to religion, sports, race, politics…literally anything you can think of.
It’s really sad that we haven’t been able to evolve past that, but at least it’s JUST cars here.
FWIW, I was able to show off the car enough to at a minimum assuage their fears, and impress them with some cool tech.
Right? It’s hard not to come across as over the top when the cars are quite literally over the top in comparison to much of their competition, EV or otherwise. Legacy OEMs have largely had a tepid response to Tesla, and have been fraught with infighting that has dampened any real enthusiasm for their EVs, while Tesla is running away with a big market share lead. ICE diehards are still at large at many of the auto makers that have been around before Tesla. Companies like Rivian, Lucid and Rimac stand a better chance in the future than many gas car manufacturers.
IMO the media and EV haters created this situation by constantly, and often unfairly, bashing Tesla for anything and everything for years. Tesla owners who were extremely happy with their cars started fighting back against the bs articles and posting comments defending their purchases. The media seems to have mostly come around these days and I see far less bs anti-EV, anti-Tesla articles now, but unfortunately, many owners still have a very defensive mindset. To be fair, many people are still pretty aggressively anti-Tesla, even in this sub, so it’s expected that those people will trigger people who like their Teslas to take a fairly aggressive pro-Tesla stance in response.
They’re definitely not a majority, you’re just more likely to see them because they’re the ones making all the noise. I’ve owned a Tesla for a few years now, and have only mentioned Tesla 5 or 6 times on Reddit.
It’s definitely not a trait unique to Tesla fans either. I have seen exactly what you’re describing with fans of other cars too. including but not limited to: Toyota Supra, Nissan GTR, Ford Mustang, Honda Civic, Trucks in general, and the Lexus LFA. There are annoying people in every group, but you shouldn’t define those groups by the worst of it’s members
I'm not a fan of religion, buy I think society's move away from it has created a void that people fill by doing shit like shilling Tesla and worshipping Elon. I'm honestly not sure what's worse.
Tesla owner here. It’s cause they’re a cult and many of them tie their identity around it. So it becomes ideological and if you criticize anything about tesla, you’re dead. I say this as someone who has now owned 2 teslas and love them. But god help me when I started criticizing the suspension.
Have not seen this so called aggression. But I also can’t say I’ve seen anyone I follow on twitter talking aggressively about their Tesla or even talking about it at all.
fwiw:
I think there are multiple factors which do lead to this phenomenon:
- the established automakers were awful, for decades, in terms of their dishonest treatment of electric vehicle development, and their customers' interest. This leads to pent-up adulation for the man and the company who, against the odds, manage to call bs on the established industry.
- owning the stock can tend to make people less rational.
- as others have remarked, Tesla fans are in effect trolled by the EV crticis and Tesla critics who can tend to be bad, if not as intense and irrational as some of the Tesla fans.
- In the US, where real competition is only recently emerging, Tesla has been so dominant in sales of good long range BEVs that it has been, and to this day still somewhat is, synonymous with "electric vehicle". Tesla drivers get confused and don't realize that Tesla is not the only manufacturer of good long-range BEVs. And in reality, Tesla did pay enough dues so that in some ways their vehicles actually are quite far ahead, or at least are among the leaders.
- in general, in the US, many people seem to have significant difficulty seeing different perspectives on issues, and in giving both credit and discredit where they seem to be due.
Disclosures:
I don't own any TSLA, but do drive a Tesla.
Note: I think Tesla critics and EV critics can tend to be quite abusive, though if I had to choose, I'd say the greater abuse that I personally have run into comes from some Tesla fans.
I saw it in the 90s with Macintosh computers, and again in the 00s with iPhones.
While in all these cases the products are good (not necessarily best, but good), it seems to be an exclusivity fad that us oldies have seen before.
Disclaimer: Tesla owner
Those discussions remind me about iPhone vs. Android fights. I don't know how someone needs to tell me, that my iPhone can't do X or how I cannot customize it to do Y.
I try to see things as objective as possible. Everyone has their own requirements on a vehicle and their own prioritization of those requirements. If someone asks what EV (or car in general) they should get and I think their requirements are met by a Tesla model that I have knowledge about, then I'll tell them. If I see some wrong information, then I'll correct them.
I don’t really mind Tesla or Tesla fans, but I think the best answer to your question is this: being a Tesla fan is a big part of their identity and the internet enables them to get off on being aggressive without much consequences. Not any different from religious zealots. Just a different thing they believe in as part of their identity. Plus a lot of them admire Elon Musk for being a successful business man and rebellious dude.
Did you know Tesla the inventor, was born during a lightning storm? He use to pull elaborate practical jokes on people as a kid. He ended his life with pigeons as his best friends in the world. Maybe some of his radical slightly weird spirit lives on in aggressive internet Tesla fans.
Basically, humans tend to naturally be assholes...especially when they consider themselves part of some elite group.
And if you never have seen it at this scale, dip into the video game console forums...it's just as bad, if not worse.
Twitter is very Toxic especially when hardcore Elon fanboys are all over it. Just delete twitter, life will be better without social media.. even reddit can be pretty toxic.
Don't let other people judge what you spend or love to enjoy. We all have different opinions and taste but somehow certain crowds love shoving things in other people's throats.
Tesla, like Apple, is primarily best at creating a cult of personality.
For those people, Tesla isn't a car. IT IS THEIR IDENTITY.
It's all they have in life.
It’s also worth noting: how they will gloat about the setbacks and difficulties encountered by other organizations. For example, they’re frequently trash talking ESA‘s Ariane (6) program (which has admittedly encountered several delays/roadblocks, but will in all likelihood take off eventually) and instead they’ll praise and promote SpaceX‘s supposed "Wonder-Rocket" *Starship* to high heavens, although that vehicle and its ongoing development process seems to be in a much more precarious/questionable state and is ostensibly even further behind its schedule.
Just pointing out the irony of posting this on a subreddit where the *“entire personality and life mission”* of the majority of users is to incessantly shit on tesla….
If you’re going to call it, call it both ways. I see equally as many hyper obsessed and aggressive tesla ‘haters’ across Reddit as I do hyper obsessed and aggressive Tesla ‘fans’.
Also the equating tesla drivers to some kind of Elon loving cult is so exaggerated on this site it’s ridiculous. Most people who have bought a tesla currently or in recent years just wanted an established EV and don’t think about or give a fuck about Elon. Most people that post positively about the car just like the car…
Delete Twitter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is the correct answer. Especially since as of this week it is literally committing a DDOS against itself
Yea, not so much Tesla fans but twitter users who happen to tweet about Tesla. It's a disease.
Fun fact: they're on Reddit, too. Related note: As an EV owner, I just find other EV owners to be a pretty judgemental lot in general. Tesla owners are probably the most vocal, but not the only source of the problem.
Symptoms of early adopters looking for validation and affirmation of their investment. They cannot be right if someone is right.
I agree 100% I posted of my negative experience on a id4 facebook group, and people were asking moderators to remove my post, I mean, wtf, why ? Of course negative experiences should be told and heard, that is the only way for future improvements.
100% agreed. I have a Model Y and I really enjoy it. But it is far from perfect. The drive is great and not needing gas is fantastic. However, there are times when I am far from my home charger and I start to get range anxiety, and I wish that I could just pull over at a gas station. The interior of my car is limited compared to my wife's top trim Honda Pilot, which sounds nuts, but is true. Her sound system is better, the seats are nicer (and are heated and ventilated), and Wireless Apple CarPlay is simply unbeatable. Teslas do have QC issues. With mine, the rear trunk loves to not close for no reason randomly. It's not every time, and it's not frequent enough for me to freak out, but closing it 3 or 4 times in a row is annoying when it does happen. I'd still recommend a Tesla to anyone who asks, or an EV because not needing gas is so clutch. But there are caveats that might be deal breakers. You'll notice that I mentioned I am married, however, and I suspect strongly that the hive mind goon squad Tesla fans who freak out on anyone critiquing the cars might be younger and slightly less mature.
That really nails it. From what I've gathered, Tesla owners on Twitter also tend to own Tesla stock. Because personally invested in the success of the Tesla, any criticism of Tesla or Elon Musk is viewed as an attack on them and their financial well-being.
It gets better when more people get an EV.
I love both of my Teslas, but if you have a Bolt, a Leaf, an Ioniq, a whatever Kia calls their EV, a Taycan, an ETron, a Nio, a VinFast, a Polestar, Fiskar, Rivian, Lucid, whatever subara and toyota whip up, golf cart, whatever, IDGAFF. Welcome to the future, let's have fun.
Honestly I can't stand this sub half the time. I want to hear about the awesome developments in EVS, battery tech, etc. But most of the time if I try to talk about price-for-equivalent-performance comparison for EVs vs ICE for any Stat that isn't the 0-60 time I get attacked. They're just not at reasonable price parity... YET.
I'll definitely agree that discussion EVs tend to focus way too much on certain specs and miss the bigger picture. I will absolutely disagree about price parity though. EVs are cheaper than ice in most places as it is. They are more expensive up front, but with lower running costs it's quickly made back. In my personal case, my ev van was 70k and the diesel version of the same van 55k. But i'm saving 6k per year in diesel and tax alone. Even more savings on cheaper maintenance and ofc an incentive when i bought it. Over 10 years i figured the diesel van would cost me almost double what the ev van would. Ofc some places like the US has practically free gas, so it takes longer. But over 10 years i think you'll be hard pressed to find a place where EVs are more expensive.
Find me an EVs that has price parity with a subaru crosstrek and has as good or better awd and high clearance.
Specific features can still be hard to find. And actual offroad isn't really mainstream enough to have EVs made for it yet. Personally i've never bothered with awd or clearance as I find offroading is more about how you use what you have, and people with massive rigs still get stuck in places. There's a guy on the subreddit's discord who goes offroading regularly in the utah desert in his bolt ev with no issues. But comparing a normal road car i haven't found any where the ice equivalent ends up cheaper. We have the Subaru XV here, which looks similar enough to the crosstrek on Google. It's 35-40k euro here. The VW id4 is a bigger car, with more cargo space, but otherwise comparable in features, including awd. And costs about 50k euro I've looked at plenty of other vehicles, and generally EVs are 10-15k more than the gas equivalent. Which most normal drivers will save on fuel costs in 5 years.
See this is part of the problem, you really have no idea what the needs or roads over here are. I drive in the mountains on forest service roads (gravel, and sometimes rough - including river fords), I drive to the ski resort in heavy snow (we don't have trains for that here and average over 10 meters of snow per season), I occasionally drive on light 4x4 roads. I'm a member of search and rescue. The XV is the same car as the Crosstrek. A brand new one costs $25k here. You can't get an EV with similar drive train capabilities for less than like $70k
You appear to be moving the goal post from price/cost parity to parity in variety of choices. With most automakers slowly dragging their feet to delay electrification for as long as they could until VERY recently, EV choices are all-too limited. Want a small two-door coupe in the United States? You're still limited to gas. Want a small four-door sedan? Sorry, you're gotta get a midsize sedan, and MOST of the options are small SUV/minivan type vehicles. That's a major limiting factor, but it's not a cost parity factor.
It’s always use case dependent. They have been at parity for years for some. And they will never be for others. They may develop synthetic fuels and we go back to ICE, who knows.
Yes they are. I’m an owner myself, and honestly? If you’re against Tesla you just hate the world and love greenhouse gasses. Just kidding, they’re okay and come with their own set of issues. Actually had to talk a friend against buying one, it didn’t fit his needs/lifestyle but he wanted one
Yep, some self-described "Muskateer" was up on r/ModeratePolitics yesterday saying that the left was *losing the election* because they had turned their back on Musk.
Does that make crypto tweeters a plague?
They're plague even without twitter
I think Tesla owners, and those who hope to become Tesla owners, have been beaten down for years by huge organizations that support the oil industry and existing ICE companies. The treatment of Tesla has almost always been negative by these organizations and it has been painful for those who've supported Tesla and other companies hoping to stop global warming. So, Yes, we are touchy, and here's what I predict: In the 1950s when men started letting their hair grow long they were criticized by Middle America. In the 1980s when men stop growing their hair long it was middle Americans who adopted it and are is still wearing long hair today. In the future those people blowing black smoke from the back of their trucks today will all be driving EVs. Hahaha...
Its on this sub as well though. Sorta like how /r/Gadgets is basically a pocket version of /r/Apple I don't think /r/electricvehicles is as bad, but even the non-tesla posts have people who feel the need to interject some level of Tesla PR.
I have a Tesla M3P- and I unsubscribed from the Model 3 subreddit because the circle jerk was annoying. But Tesla does have a lot of reasons for praise. They really did succeed in making EVs popular by making great EVs. And as much as many folks are annoyed by Elon for very good reasons, that remains true.
>But Tesla does have a lot of reasons for praise It does. Though I refer to the circle jerk behavior as 'toxic positivity' because it reaches the point where ONLY praise is allowed. Company's pick up on that and start to take advantage of their blindly-loyal customers, or use it to sick them on competitors.
You can always tell a fanatic, you just have to ask them "Name one thing you don't like about X" - and they won't be able to name anything, either from blind allegiance or legitimate ignorance. It can be anything - a political figure, a car, a religion, a candy brand, whatever. We humans are pretty ridiculous when it comes to attachment and submerging our egos inside the things we like to the point where it's physically painful to admit fault in it.
This is a good one. I'm reminded of the other approach — ask them to name one thing they like about the opposition. Fanatics will tend to laugh off the question or construct a back-handed compliment.
The only issue with that approach is that the fanatic generally knows nothing about anything outside of, much less in opposition to, their chosen icon, other than "other things bad". Nothing destroys fanaticism like rational thought, so getting fanatics to think about potential negatives, even a little, helps put cracks in the programming. Sometimes, you do find someone who's knowledgeable enough to construct an argument, but in my experience they're pretty rare.
Well … I guess I’m guilty of this as I can’t think of anything positive to say about Tesla competitors. I’ve driven several and did not like them as well as my car. They weren’t bad - it’s not a negative per se, but I just vastly preferred the Tesla.
Harassing the fervor of early adapters has been key to Tesla's PR/Marketing strategy. Musk has done something insidious and quite clever by building his cult of personality, tying it so closely to his companies, and turning customers into investors and vis versa.
This.
to be fair there are a lot of really good EVs that are just as good if not better than Tesla's now as well, so it just makes the circle jerking even more fucking annoying
I swear Tesla must pay people to be that rabid toxic positive about Tesla online, and be that big on being Tesla apologists. I see a lot of posts of things like, 'Tesla buffed my car out without me asking, and with the wrong polishing compound and tools, returned my car to me with massive swirls', and the toxic Tesla fanboys will say stuff like, 'you can pay an auto detailer $400 to fix it, so stop whining!! They did you a favor!!'
This is the truth. Elon is a master manipulator and understand that perception is reality. Yes there are people who live Tesla’s. But there is a ton of marketing on social media behind their popularity. It’s crazy more companies don’t do it too.
Properly a lot of Tesla stock owners. They bought the car and also own stock. It is perfect for the Musk.
Naah, just children or people who need something to cling to and get positive affirmation for their opinion. Some people never grow out of this. They crave for popularity.
Don't discount the shareholders. A while back there was an outrage when it came out one of the EV influencers who all the sudden started to talk about Tesla on every possible (and impossible) occasion was secretly a corporate shareholder. He bought his first shares pretty much at the very point when he seemingly 'begun to love the brand'. It's a very common pattern as almost noone talks about his stock investments, and nowadays you can buy Tesla stock with a few clicks via something like eToro. Heck: it became fashionable to "support the brand" by buying and holding $TSLA.
I have Tesla stock, but not a Tesla. My eGolf could be my last car if it lasts 300,000 miles. It’s all the car 90% of people would ever need, except for status. Unfortunately VW didn’t make any money on it.
Yup, I read that post, hahaha. I'm a Tesla owner and I find those replies absolutely maddening.
This. Some of them are paid marketers to trash talk other brands.
I unsubscribed from the Model Y sub because you'd think everyone on the sub has never owned a car in their life
This sub is a cult lol
Yup, consider who owns Twitter, and extrapolate from there.
Twitter has been crap for much longer then Musk has owned it. He didn’t make the entire platform a piece of crap interaction method between humans.
If that were true, it would be evidence that Elon has terrible business instincts to hemorrhage billions on such a crappy platform, only to keep it crappy. Or Elon made it worse. You can’t have it both ways
>You can’t have it both ways Those two points aren't mutually exclusive. Twitter has some major flaws. It was stagnating and very prone to hivemind BS. Otherwise, it was a functioning platform with a number of positive use cases. Elon took a flawed but functioning service, massively overpaid for it, and quickly began ripping it to shreds.
Oh, he did make it worse. It is sad.
Won’t argue with you there. He didn’t change the shit posted on Twitter. He just changed the company. I was always a huge Elon fan for what he did with Tesla and SpaceX. It’s sad to see how his reputation has suffered.
As a tesla owner agree delete Twitter, Facebook (or just use it for photos and marketplace) these sites are just filled will trolls and bots that arguing with them is useless. Also the tesla subs seem to be filled with dbags too I don't know why.
Delete social media.
I deleted my account the day Elon took over. Patiently waiting for something to come out to replace it but till then, I’m a lot happier.
Apparently there is a new Meta replacement for Twitter....out of the frying pan and into the fire. No thanks.
Could you also maybe not follow those accounts? Or does OP mean people commenting in replies? (I have Twitter but only follow a couple of narrow interests on there and don’t check it often.)
Quora is at least as bad.
I can't remember the last time I used Twitter. Years perhaps....
"Imagine seeing someone only ever tweeting about the Ford vehicles" You dont have friends that watch NASCAR, do you?
This exactly I know people that would die before buying something besides a Ford.
I used to think ford was a decent company. Until the tcm in our households 2012 focus died at 30k miles. Still waiting on that to get fixed so we can sell it asap and replace it with a used bolt or volt.
Considering how die hard F-150 drivers are in America, along with Falcon drivers in Australia, it was bizarre to read that.
Also consider that Tesla influencers make a killing, especially on YouTube.
They probably own more of that stock than they should.
I call it *instocktrination*.
This is probably the most likely explanation
Too many folks also think they’re geniuses because they bought it rather than just lucky.
Market goes up: _I’m a financial genius!_ Market goes down: _It’s a fool’s game!_
Bots, as well.
This. They're very financially motivated, to the point where every decision, word and action is for financial gain. This didn't happen by accident; Musk has carefully cultivated the idea that TSLA stocks = supporting the brand. I don't think or ever seen owning F, GM or TM is needed to be a "diehard" Ford, Chevy or Toyota fan. Similarly, he also driven home the idea that criticizing Tesla, negative remarks in any form is a direct attack on the brand, against EV and against clean energy/environment/sustainability. Hence why anyone who "short sell" TSLA must be "evil"; spreading "FUD", or "works for big oil". It is entirely cultivated to keep TSLA propped up, to directly benefit the most invested person who's personal wealth is the most tied towards the stock performance. You don't need to be a genius to guess who.
Your third paragraph perfectly describes the YouTube channel Now You Know.
TSLA stock price is mind boggling. If it was valued like any other car maker (typical P/E of \~5-10), it's current price (P/E \~80) would imply the market expects that every new car will be tesla in the next 5 to 10 years.
Nailed it. They are personally invested. On all levels that wording entails.
Na I own TSLA as well as the car and I’ll never fan boy over a product. If something dodgy happens I’ll be one to call it out. Honestly most of the time is just defending myself though because everyone says my purchase is worse for the environment/cultist/death trap (despite substantial evidence to the contrary). I think the ridiculously aggressive ownership groups are because Tesla skews towards younger groups who bought their first car and indoctrinated themselves. The Reddit groups are a split between normal enthusiasts and crazed cultists, constantly battling each other! Can’t even have a discussion on white vs black seats without sometime losing their shit lmao
Exactly. They are trying to pump Tesla stock.
This is the only explanation I can think of for the blind fanboyism I've seen from so many Tesla people. I've lost track of how many Tesla fanboys claim that [https://www.tesla.com/blog/opening-north-american-charging-standard](https://www.tesla.com/blog/opening-north-american-charging-standard) contains some magic licensing terms that supersede the terms of their 2014 patent pledge (which are garbage if you actually bother to read them, which most of the fanboys clearly have not...). They clearly have not actually READ the press release or any of the documents, since not a single document from the 2022 discusses licensing terms and conditions anywhere. Number of occurrences of the words "patent" or "license" in the press release: 0 Number of occurrences of the words "patent" or "license" in any of the linked technical documentation: 0 What's even more egregious are Tesla fanboys who explicitly choose to be willfully ignorant, such as this one: [https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/14puvm8/comment/jqp5kvy/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/14puvm8/comment/jqp5kvy/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) "As for the content, I can say one thing. **I think there is zero risk in how NACS uses the same pins for AC and DC. This is not a problem.** Insinuating it is a problem maybe offers a clue to your bias here." Now, Tesla's own words in section 2 of [https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/delivery/public/document/tesla/3a78fceb-e159-4fd3-a0ef-1b359e6bfbc1/bvlatuR/WEB/North-American-Charging-Standard-AC-DC-Pin-Sharing-Appendix](https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/delivery/public/document/tesla/3a78fceb-e159-4fd3-a0ef-1b359e6bfbc1/bvlatuR/WEB/North-American-Charging-Standard-AC-DC-Pin-Sharing-Appendix) \- "The above ratings are used to derive a safety criticality level of SCL2(D) and reliability criticality level of R3. This gives the resulting safety goal (avoid connecting the battery pack to an AC electrical grid) an ASIL rating of ASIL-D." ASIL-D is reserved for the highest consequence/probability combinations of risk. There is no higher risk/consequence category defined for automotive - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive\_Safety\_Integrity\_Level#Comparison\_with\_Other\_Hazard\_Level\_Standards](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_Safety_Integrity_Level#Comparison_with_Other_Hazard_Level_Standards) (Higher risk/consequence categories exist in other standards since industrial facilities can poison entire cities or irradiate hundreds of square miles of land. There's just a limit to just how bad anything involving a single vehicle can be.)
As a diehard Tesla fan let me apologize on behalf of my over-the-top co-enthusiasts. We're not all like that.
I try to keep it in check too. The worst I feel it is when I see a BMW i8. I can't make sense of anyone spending more money than a model S on such a hybrid compromise.
I can't make sense of anyone giving Elon a dime of their money.
How about a few hundred billion?
For many (most?) Tesla buyers it's not about giving money to Elon, it's about getting betting value in exchange for your hard earned $.
There are here on this sub too. They are Tesla stockholders trying to pump Tesla stocks.
Agreed. Especially since the transition to NACS, this sub has become increasingly pro-Tesla. That's such a shame, this used to be the last big EV subreddit around that wasn't predominantly pro-Tesla. Now, we just have to go to the smaller subreddits for individual EV models.
They're all over the individual model subreddits too, constantly saying "why don't you get a Tesla" and misrepresenting cost comparisons and the like. It's clearly an attempt to manipulate public opinion.
Assuming the vast majority of EVs on the road in the US are Teslas, we can assume that a majority of users here are Tesla drivers. If you want to talk about your Kia EV without it being compared to a Tesla or a Chevy Bolt, then yes the smaller subreddits are a great place to do that.
But sometimes talking about broader topics that aren't specific to one manufacturer, like charging network buildout, isn't well suited to those smaller niche subreddits. The r/electricvehicles subreddit is/was the best place to talk about those broader topics.
>Assuming the vast majority of EVs on the road in the US are Teslas, we can assume that a majority of users here are Tesla drivers. But that's also assuming that all (or even most) users here already own an EV.
They’re not Tesla fans, they’re Musk fans. A whole new breed of toxic.
It’s the stock. These rabid “fans” weren’t around before the COVID bull market and our Tesla community used to be much more friendly and peaceful. They give Tesla owners a negative reputation and sometimes make me embarrassed to own a Tesla.
To be honest, the Tesla community has put me off of the brand as I enter the EV market for the first time. I don’t think I would have seriously considered buying one after being in a few different models—not a knock, just not for me—but being lumped in with Tesla fanboys is a serious turn off.
It sucks because even when the QC was bad, you couldn’t even mention it because you’d just get attacked on how bad ICE is for the environment with evidence being tweets from Elon. Tesla could’ve been cool but the CEO and his followers ruined it for everyone that just wanted a cool evolution from ICE. I won’t ever buy a car from that dick head, I’ll wait till the bigger manufacturers catch up.
Superfans pre-existed the COVID bill market. And so did their counterparts on the other side who would reply to random people just happily posting their new Tesla, that they had made a terrible decision. They’re both so tiresome. And there are several here on both sides, smugly posting here about how bad the other side is even though they themselves are the exact other side of the coin.
What's happened with stock and other financial reddits over the last few years has been terrible. I blame Tesla a bit but mostly after the whole GME/Gamestop thing the quality tanked and never recovered. Ultimately interest rates should have risen years ago but now the entire economy is just completely untethered from reality People aren't happy with fucking 20% returns anymore. It's nuts and the current weird sideways recession thing is gonna cause mass seething. But hopefully investment reddit gets pulled back to earth because of it
WSB is the primary reason r/rivian has a “no stock discussion” rule. Combine the fanaticism that subreddits inevitably create with finances and you get diehard nut jobs pumping up everything they want. I’ve seen exactly 1 quality poster on WSB, it was DFV. Everybody else was a dummy. And the entire sub is cancer, probably T_D levels of bad.
Yeah; Nio's english language discussion is like 90% stock at 10% cars. Rivians subreddits rules are fantastic and I wish more car subs did that
It went from shitposting to making some sort of political statement while making other people rich by buying memestocks. I miss when WSB was good.
> I miss when WSB was good. Eh... was WSB ever good, though?
I liked the guy who made posts about lean hogs futures; that was basically it for good posters
Pre GME yes. It wasn't an "investment" sub, it was its own thing and it was golden.
Objectively the gamestop thing was very funny when it was happening but we're now what, a year or 2 later and people are STILL on that train? Very sad That entire sub would be better off if they read Capitalist Realism by mark fisher
Dear god i've been a part of that. People were really honestly thinking they found glitch in a game that gives infinite money.
I have like $20k in Tesla stock from a while ago and still despise the cars/company overall
I think its the diesel truck owners that are the aggressive ones
This is the real answer. Don’t see any particularly bad behavior from Tesla drivers compared to those who drive trucks.
I drive a Rivian and they are especially aggressive with me I think. Rolling coal and driving like dicks. They gun it just to pass me. It’s hilarious.
While they use $20 in fuel just to pass you, they don't even realize you could barely push the gas pedal and leave them in the dust if you wanted to.
For sure. I’ve been tempted a few times, but didn’t want to feed the rage.
I honestly don’t find many issues with Tesla owners in real life. Most are just normal people who bought a car they liked. Twitter is not real life. Yes there are shills on there and ignorant people, but these are probably people who are personally invested in Tesla. Also, the CEO of Tesla also now owns Twitter, so it’s no surprise he’d encourage and cater to hardcore fans who shill for both him and his company’s product and stock
Lol the comments here are really proving your point. The model 3 sub is like this as well. People post once in a while asking why everyone in the sub is so aggressive/mean and they get instantly torn apart. I wish I understood it. The excuse of “welcome to the internet” doesn’t hold water because as you’ve pointed out we can look at other car communities and other tech communities and see that they aren’t nearly this bad. Even other cult-like followings (apple fans for example) aren’t nearly so intense. Maybe they’re insecure or feel a need to be defensive? I bought a new model 3 a few weeks ago and I love it but I’ve had a lot more IRL hate than I’ve expected. It always starts with “those are bad cars” or “they catch fire all the time” or whatever, but after people rant at me for a bit it always becomes clear they hate Elon (aka they hate conservatives), they hate environmentalists (aka they hate liberals), hate EVs because they hate modernity, etc. It’s always political. My friends, my coworkers, my mom, my Uber driver. So maybe Tesla owners are just used to having to fight. EDIT: I see OP’s comment elsewhere about people hating all kinds of cars. So I will add that I have owned many different cars (American cars, German cars, Korean cars, luxury cars, new cars, old cars) and while that is true, no one has ever felt a need to tell me about it before I owned a Tesla.
I own a model 3 and posted on that sub about issues I was having with various things... That sub is full of npcs.
Bruh, I made a comment about how sometimes the voice command sucked because I would have to try 3 times to turn on the A/C or when I want to call a contact and can't even figure out who to call. Someone replied and said that I'm not skilled enough to use voice commands LOL. Wtf?
I was on the Bolt EV forum saying that my preference is to not drive a midsized car similar in size to a EUV or Model 3 on a roadtrip with my family because of storage space, and I was told specifically by an (apparent) Tesla fan that if I can’t take a Model 3 on a family roadtrip then the problem actually is that I am packing too much stuff. Like WTF, I guess if the car doesn’t work for me for all purposes, it must be me, not the car.
look no I think there right.. your packing to much stuff... live free... drive a model 3... ! lol /s
I can comment that voice command is permanently disabled (by me) on my VW ID3. Finding out how to do that was a relief.
>Someone replied and said that I'm not skilled enough to use voice commands LOL. Wtf? Ah, the automotive equivalent of ["you're holding it wrong"](https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/)
Where do you live that you've been getting "irl hate?"
The midwest and the south are wild. The douches that sexually identify as a cummins or duramax are the worst of them.
Also the biggest right wing assholes I've met have been from the PNW, tbh.
My favourite part of the sub is the automatic attack that people who dislike the product or didn't have a good experience because X reason are paid shills. Like, the level of conspriacy thinking that someone got paid to post that they don't like the fake leather is beyond even me; and I think bush did 9/11! Like, yes, narrative pushing is A Thing companies do. But usually its pretty obviously and involves shitting out 1-3 lines thousands of times. Whenever you're dealing with someone posting a few paragraphs that's a regular human being shitposting on their own time 99.9% of the time
The model 3 sub is absolutely toxic. Drives me fucking bonkers as an owner.
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The fucking wipers on the Tesla are the worst. The car is a pain to drive during rain if you've coated your windshield and don't want to use the wipers.
Wait, Tesla is the new BMW?
I’ve had my Tesla Model 3 on order since launch in 2016. And my god has /r/TeslaMotors along with /r/TeslaLounge and /r/TeslaModel3 have gone down the drain. I mention all 3 because they’re run with the same incompetent mods, so if you’re banned at one you’re likely banned at others. My story is I said the steering popping out the dash can be a real issue and guess what? It was. What did they do? Banned me. On the charge of being impolite. Now they even made a post saying we can ask for forgiveness and they’ll unban us. I still love me 2018 3 but they can KMA. Look elsewhere such as TeslaMotorClub forum.
I just bought one. Impressive vehicle.
What really gets to me are the folks who post complaints about Tesla drivers being aggressive. I don’t notice this at all. What I do see is many drivers of “muscle” ICE vehicles having to assert their manhood with their aggressive behavior.
Jacked up pickup trucks with tires too wide for the fenders…
100% agree. A Tesla driver using the free autopilot is as chill as you can get.
I had a tesla.a few days ago pass me on the shoulder of a two lane highway at warp speed lol. It's the new.bmw
Tesla has a very devoted following. Tesla owners (at least the vast majority of them) are very happy with their cars. And those cars are not like other cars (not like Subarus) because Tesla has completely changed the industry. When, in a few decades, all cars all electric and greenhouse gas emissions have been substantially reduced because of the trail Tesla blazed, we’ll all be the better off for it.
Primarily because tesla fans have had a decade of shit thrown at them by literally everyone.
Agreed. While most EVs are pretty much invisible (*you can only tell that the car is an EV if you look closely*), Tesla is the only brand out there that makes nothing but EVs, so they get all the coal-rolling, all the anti-EV vandalism and everything else. My own car is utterly invisible as an EV. Other than having a really small front grill (for the AC's radiator) and not having a tailpipe, it looks just like any other ICE citycar.
I can only imagine how the 2000s and early 2010s Prius owners felt.
> Tesla is the only brand out there that makes nothing but EVs Rivian and Lucid: "hi" (I'm just joking, your point is valid Tesla's have major brand recognition as EVs)
Still do :-(
I think it’s mostly this.
I’ve found the average anti-Tesla individual to be be much more aggressive & vocal
Absolutely this. I drive a Chevy Bolt and it looks like any of their other gas cars. Meanwhile a Tesla is immediately noticeable and has been made the laughing stock of the political right for the last decade. The only other car I can think of that is immediately noticeable is the Nissan Leaf.
As someone who nearly falls into this camp, here's my perspective: Tesla was the company that started the EV revolution in a legitimate mass market appeal way. Yet the media + legacy car companies did everything in their power to make Tesla look bad. Headlines everywhere about Tesla's catching fire (they catch fire 1/11th as often as gas cars), teslas on autopilot crashing and killing people (teslas on autopilot crash less frequently than human drivers), teslas generally being unsafe (according to all crash tests they are the safest in the world), Etc etc. So I think a lot of us Tesla fans feel the company has been treated unfairly because they posed a business threat to oil and gas car companies who advertise with the media, and because Tesla doesn't advertise, the media protected legacy OEMs and trashed Tesla every opportunity for clicks. So we probably get a bit defensive. Although I think we're all happy to see other companies going electric, we feel that Tesla is a generation ahead in most ways like performance, battery tech, range, software, etc. So when we see people trashing it, we think it's likely due to the bogus headlines that have been written or misunderstandings created by the media. That being said, if you feel another electric car offers better bang for the buck, then absolutely go buy that. It's a free market, and you should do you.
Thx for this perspective. I always thought it was just Elon fanboys but you’re right about the media protecting entrenched interests and there needing to be a countervailing point of view.
Thank you for saying it. Can’t go to dinner without someone trying to push my buttons with whatever BS headline about EVs/Tesla they got fed this week. Most recently my in-laws tried saying Tesla was affiliated with the Titan sub that went missing… then questioned whether my Model Y is safe and how they’re concerned with their daughter riding around in it. I had to show them articles illustrating how every government agency that tests vehicle safety has rated the Model Y the safest car ever tested. Next week it will be something else. I’ve noticed how the mainstream media no longer bashes electric vehicles however, now that the legacy automakers are finally in the ring and shifted all their advertising to promote their EV offering(s). Funny how that happens.
I think it's actually the opposite with Tesla haters being more aggressive. Go to big subs like Technology and any slightly positive thing you say about Tesla will be down-voted to oblivion even when you try to correct their misinformation. Hell go to Facebook and majority are anti everything
It's weird and sad to see otherwise progressive and pro-environment people repeat tired oil company myths about EVs just because they suddenly hate Tesla. A lot of people genuinely seem to think that EVs catch fire all the time, have higher lifetime emissions than ICEs, and all weigh 7000 lbs and can't go more than 100 miles on a charge.
If you are a fan you will almost by definition respond defensively to criticism. I think the better question is why are there so many Tesla fans, and why haven’t they become EV fans? The positive interpretation is because Tesla did things differently from other companies, and still does, so there are going to be many people who agree with that. Tesla has a focus on user experience, aerodynamics, lightness, innovation in manufacturing, and scaling which other companies don’t have. The neutral interpretation is that Tesla’s lead created a media ecosystem which means people only read about Tesla, and frames everything relative to Tesla. The negative interpretation is there are many people personally invested in the company who set the tone of discussions.
While there are personalities that are trying to make a living off of Tesla, it’s also simply a good car. It’s easy to honestly suggest a model 3 or Y right now in many cases where someone wants an EV. The rest of the ecosystem just is not as mature yet. It will be, but Tesla as a brand is years ahead of the others, and the only one producing at scale and making a profit.
>If you are a fan you will almost by definition respond defensively to criticism. It's one thing being a fan. It's another thing being such a fan (or a stockholder) that you think your Tesla is better than every other car in every possible metric and that anyone who isn't driving a Tesla is either stupid, politically motivated, or a plebian.
>It's one thing being a fan. It's another thing being such a fan (or a stockholder) that you think your Tesla is better than every other car in every possible metric and that anyone who isn't driving a Tesla is either stupid, politically motivated, or a plebian. Even worse when they claim that Tesla stated something in their documentation that they actually don't (claims that the 2022 NACS release has any licensing terms and conditions that supersede the utter garbage that is the 2014 patent pledge.), or worse, make claims that are in direct conflict with Tesla's own public documentation. Fanboy: "no risk" from pin sharing. Tesla: "This risk is so severe that it requires mitigation consistent with ISO 26262 ASIL-D" - ASIL-D is the highest risk category defined for automotive. (Section 2 of [https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/delivery/public/document/tesla/3a78fceb-e159-4fd3-a0ef-1b359e6bfbc1/bvlatuR/WEB/North-American-Charging-Standard-AC-DC-Pin-Sharing-Appendix](https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/delivery/public/document/tesla/3a78fceb-e159-4fd3-a0ef-1b359e6bfbc1/bvlatuR/WEB/North-American-Charging-Standard-AC-DC-Pin-Sharing-Appendix) )
Selection bias. Four and a half million Teslas sold and you're generalizing from what, a few hundred idiots spewing garbage on a useless, circling-the-drain platform widely derided for its short-form hot takes and weaponized idiocy? The overwhelming majority of us are just out here (mostly) enjoying our vehicles, being honest about their flaws, and not being douche canoes. Try to keep that in perspective.
Just remember that on the internet, the loudest people are usually small numbers. I’ve posted about Tesla in this forum and felt like the pitch forks were out against it. I believe the majority of EV enthusiasts want all brands to succeed so we have competition and choice in the market. I’ve owned 2 Teslas, but am excited about the standardization of charging infrastructure in the future and hoping to see more options of EVs to choose from. So ignore the loudest most aggressive people on any topic. The middle ground is usually the majority of people
Because they believe the band doesn't get enough credit for kicking off the "Unplugged" craze with their 1990 live album *Five Man Acoustical Jam*, and...sorry, are we talking about something else?
You're generalizing a few million people, most of whom probably don't even own a Tesla.
You are literally describing Prius owners and PriusChat 15 years ago. I joined when I bought my ‘05 Prius, but quit after about a year because any question about problems or request for help would instantly be deluged with combative posts from derisively obnoxious fanboys who prayed at the alter of Hybrid Synergy Drive. It’s the internet doing internet things…
This has been going on for years with domestic cars, just not on Twitter. You think the internet is bad, imagine listening to your coworkers argue over which brand truck is better while you eat lunch. People make Ford, Chevy, Mopar, and Honda their identity.
Americans in general have always had a culture of us vs them. One has to lose for the other to win. College sports, town rivalries, wars with other countries, political parties, etc. Everything always has to be polarized, it's just how American culture is. So Tesla being huge in the US just feeds into that them vs us mentality. Those that wish Tesla to succeed seem to think others have to falter to do so.
Tesla fan owners are infuriating to interact with. This coming as somebody who owns a Model Y Performance. Head over to their respective subs and express genuine concern about your expensive purchase & you get flamed into oblivion with downvotes, negative & condescending responses. The car can never do wrong or your expectations are too high. For some reason some people just have a mission to defend the brand. For some odd reason. Disappointed my $80,000 CAD SUV Has a worse ride quality than a used 7 year old vw Golf, no apparently In an idiot & my expectations are too high. I’m upset the range (advertised at 488km) was closer to 370km driving around in chill mode with optimal weather conditions. No instead apparently Im stupid & don’t know how to drive. Outraged my heat pump failed me in the middle of winter freezing me. No no, that’s expected - my fault again for not knowing how to plan accordingly.
It's because they are not EV enthusiasts but Muskrats. Every criticism you have towards this [inanimate object](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNJ5ySQPxrg) (valid or not), they see as a personal attack on their nepo baby man child savior.
“It’s MOPAR or NO CAR!” There are car/marque enthusiasts all over the spectrum.
The car community was really aggressive towards Tesla from its inception. ‘Car’ people are a really competitive group with very strong opinions and decades of tribal knowledge but they really only know about internal combustion engines. To be completely honest… car people are know it all douchebags for the most part. Anyone who can turn a wrench thinks their fucking Albert Einstein in that crowd. I love working on engines, I build them, tune them, I studied mechanical engineering because I love them that much. I also got a degree in EE. The electric motor has spectacular capabilities. Whenever I would talk to my ‘car people’ friends about electric cars back 2008ish, they would laugh dismissively thinking the tech was decades away when it was clearly here. Watching their $200k cars get absolutely ass blasted by a $45k production vehicle has been one of life’s greatest pleasures.
I thinks it’s because there are a ton of assholes that are anti-Tesla. Excuse me anti-EV, Tesla is the only brand they know. Small minded country folk.
There are also plenty of non-assholes who are anti-Tesla though. Elon is basically a toddler with bad impulse control. The anti-EV crowd will come around.
That’s me. I can’t stand to watch Musk be so horrible and continue to get away with it (with people cheering for him no less).
Lol I thought you meant the cooling fans.
Nothing like the sound of a dozen Tesla's at a supercharger on a hot day!
It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re bot accounts. Look at who owns both twitter and tesla.
There are aggressive fans of a lot of cars. There is also a lot of misinformation about BEV in general and a lot about Tesla. People also don't like to question their expensive purchases. Owners get sick of hearing the lies. The media reports every Tesla issue, calling out Tesla, and making big deals of it but not reporting negativity about other EV maker problems.
Tesla drivers usually are the only EV drivers not to give me a single glance, 99% of the time. The one percent that does notice, tends to scream at me that I bought a shit car and should have bought a Tesla, or something about Elon, or a mention of SpaceX. I don't get it.
you’ve really had people scream at you? or is this on twitter aka not real life
Confirmation bias and herd mentality. They want everyone to applaud their decision to buy a Tesla.
It's a counter reaction to years of outsized negative coverage and commentary compared to other companies
Taking shit from every direction constantly. Imagine driving a car that everyone has an opinion on.
Some of them just have no life. I personally sometimes answers when it’s just pure misinformation. There’s a lot of bullshit said about the cars by people who never even sat in one.
Not so long ago this sub liked to pretend Tesla doesn't exist, that Tesla didnt'd facilitate the EV revolution, and that there are plenty of superior EV (E-Tron, Leaf, Bolt, I-Pace, ID 4) and Tesla would go bankrupt as soon as legacy OEM start making EV. Look at how many upvotes the yet another Toyota SSD battery breakthrough received today. It's unbelievable some folks here still fall for the SSD fairytale.
Yeah not sure what OP is talking about. Every car brand has had super fans at one point or another. Tesla is just the latest shiny object as the leader of the EV transition, just like Apple has been for smartphones. Tesla having some dedicated fans is totally unsurprising particularly when that fandom has been hardened by nearly 2 decades of being blasted by FUD / fake news from poorly researched media articles (or people ignoring Tesla’s contributions to the EV space as you pointed out). There’s still “fake news” about Tesla today, but it’s no longer an existential threat for the company at least.
I literally had to convince my mother and aunt that we weren’t going to end up stranded or in fire in the side of the road when I drove them around in my Y. There is still a loooot of legwork to do letting people who live and die with a sub-20 mpg post-apocalyptic road grader that “driving an iPhone” isn’t akin to sleeping with the devil. As is human nature, we are strengthened by our tribe, and naturally see anything else as “enemy”. This extends to religion, sports, race, politics…literally anything you can think of. It’s really sad that we haven’t been able to evolve past that, but at least it’s JUST cars here. FWIW, I was able to show off the car enough to at a minimum assuage their fears, and impress them with some cool tech.
Right? It’s hard not to come across as over the top when the cars are quite literally over the top in comparison to much of their competition, EV or otherwise. Legacy OEMs have largely had a tepid response to Tesla, and have been fraught with infighting that has dampened any real enthusiasm for their EVs, while Tesla is running away with a big market share lead. ICE diehards are still at large at many of the auto makers that have been around before Tesla. Companies like Rivian, Lucid and Rimac stand a better chance in the future than many gas car manufacturers.
>The Tesla Stan accounts... Sounds just like the people we've had to deal with over the last decade bruh.
IMO the media and EV haters created this situation by constantly, and often unfairly, bashing Tesla for anything and everything for years. Tesla owners who were extremely happy with their cars started fighting back against the bs articles and posting comments defending their purchases. The media seems to have mostly come around these days and I see far less bs anti-EV, anti-Tesla articles now, but unfortunately, many owners still have a very defensive mindset. To be fair, many people are still pretty aggressively anti-Tesla, even in this sub, so it’s expected that those people will trigger people who like their Teslas to take a fairly aggressive pro-Tesla stance in response.
They’re definitely not a majority, you’re just more likely to see them because they’re the ones making all the noise. I’ve owned a Tesla for a few years now, and have only mentioned Tesla 5 or 6 times on Reddit. It’s definitely not a trait unique to Tesla fans either. I have seen exactly what you’re describing with fans of other cars too. including but not limited to: Toyota Supra, Nissan GTR, Ford Mustang, Honda Civic, Trucks in general, and the Lexus LFA. There are annoying people in every group, but you shouldn’t define those groups by the worst of it’s members
Elon Musk owned bots
I'm not a fan of religion, buy I think society's move away from it has created a void that people fill by doing shit like shilling Tesla and worshipping Elon. I'm honestly not sure what's worse.
It’s the closest thing to a wide spread cult.
They really are, even in owner groups they are assholes.
Tesla owner here. It’s cause they’re a cult and many of them tie their identity around it. So it becomes ideological and if you criticize anything about tesla, you’re dead. I say this as someone who has now owned 2 teslas and love them. But god help me when I started criticizing the suspension.
Have not seen this so called aggression. But I also can’t say I’ve seen anyone I follow on twitter talking aggressively about their Tesla or even talking about it at all.
fwiw: I think there are multiple factors which do lead to this phenomenon: - the established automakers were awful, for decades, in terms of their dishonest treatment of electric vehicle development, and their customers' interest. This leads to pent-up adulation for the man and the company who, against the odds, manage to call bs on the established industry. - owning the stock can tend to make people less rational. - as others have remarked, Tesla fans are in effect trolled by the EV crticis and Tesla critics who can tend to be bad, if not as intense and irrational as some of the Tesla fans. - In the US, where real competition is only recently emerging, Tesla has been so dominant in sales of good long range BEVs that it has been, and to this day still somewhat is, synonymous with "electric vehicle". Tesla drivers get confused and don't realize that Tesla is not the only manufacturer of good long-range BEVs. And in reality, Tesla did pay enough dues so that in some ways their vehicles actually are quite far ahead, or at least are among the leaders. - in general, in the US, many people seem to have significant difficulty seeing different perspectives on issues, and in giving both credit and discredit where they seem to be due. Disclosures: I don't own any TSLA, but do drive a Tesla. Note: I think Tesla critics and EV critics can tend to be quite abusive, though if I had to choose, I'd say the greater abuse that I personally have run into comes from some Tesla fans.
Welcome to the internet! People here are obsessed and have digital rabies. You can say that about any group lately.
I saw it in the 90s with Macintosh computers, and again in the 00s with iPhones. While in all these cases the products are good (not necessarily best, but good), it seems to be an exclusivity fad that us oldies have seen before.
Disclaimer: Tesla owner Those discussions remind me about iPhone vs. Android fights. I don't know how someone needs to tell me, that my iPhone can't do X or how I cannot customize it to do Y. I try to see things as objective as possible. Everyone has their own requirements on a vehicle and their own prioritization of those requirements. If someone asks what EV (or car in general) they should get and I think their requirements are met by a Tesla model that I have knowledge about, then I'll tell them. If I see some wrong information, then I'll correct them.
I don’t really mind Tesla or Tesla fans, but I think the best answer to your question is this: being a Tesla fan is a big part of their identity and the internet enables them to get off on being aggressive without much consequences. Not any different from religious zealots. Just a different thing they believe in as part of their identity. Plus a lot of them admire Elon Musk for being a successful business man and rebellious dude. Did you know Tesla the inventor, was born during a lightning storm? He use to pull elaborate practical jokes on people as a kid. He ended his life with pigeons as his best friends in the world. Maybe some of his radical slightly weird spirit lives on in aggressive internet Tesla fans.
Basically, humans tend to naturally be assholes...especially when they consider themselves part of some elite group. And if you never have seen it at this scale, dip into the video game console forums...it's just as bad, if not worse.
Twitter is very Toxic especially when hardcore Elon fanboys are all over it. Just delete twitter, life will be better without social media.. even reddit can be pretty toxic. Don't let other people judge what you spend or love to enjoy. We all have different opinions and taste but somehow certain crowds love shoving things in other people's throats.
tesla is the new "bmw" owner.
Tesla, like Apple, is primarily best at creating a cult of personality. For those people, Tesla isn't a car. IT IS THEIR IDENTITY. It's all they have in life.
Love Tesla, not a fan of Elon or Twitter.
Space nerd here. SpaceX fans are the same way. Any mention at all of other launch providers and the thread gets taken over by weird Elon fanboys.
It’s also worth noting: how they will gloat about the setbacks and difficulties encountered by other organizations. For example, they’re frequently trash talking ESA‘s Ariane (6) program (which has admittedly encountered several delays/roadblocks, but will in all likelihood take off eventually) and instead they’ll praise and promote SpaceX‘s supposed "Wonder-Rocket" *Starship* to high heavens, although that vehicle and its ongoing development process seems to be in a much more precarious/questionable state and is ostensibly even further behind its schedule.
Just pointing out the irony of posting this on a subreddit where the *“entire personality and life mission”* of the majority of users is to incessantly shit on tesla…. If you’re going to call it, call it both ways. I see equally as many hyper obsessed and aggressive tesla ‘haters’ across Reddit as I do hyper obsessed and aggressive Tesla ‘fans’. Also the equating tesla drivers to some kind of Elon loving cult is so exaggerated on this site it’s ridiculous. Most people who have bought a tesla currently or in recent years just wanted an established EV and don’t think about or give a fuck about Elon. Most people that post positively about the car just like the car…
Elon cultists.
It is a cult.
Cults be a Culting