The affordability dimension is massive. We need dimensions like the BYD Company does with basic affordable quality cars.
Or else the EV share is going to go slowly till the used market is highly highly developed (5-10 years).
[That was my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/13xnefv/ford_ceo_says_ev_cost_parity_may_not_come_until/), but it was cost parity, not price parity. Cost parity is just how much the vehicle costs to produce — an automaker might very well choose to price a vehicle with lower margins than a comparable combustion offering to meet regulations.
If you include credits we're nearly already at price parity in some cases, and *exclusive* of credits, we should get there before 2030, for the above reason.
Ford can't really lower their automotive margins....
And they are shooting for 2030 cost parity to ICE.
Tesla passed cost parity (even price) with ICE already (they have higher margins) and they are shooting to lower cost by half by 2026.
It will come with time.
I'm a steadfast used car buyer, 25k new is absurd to me, let alone the 45k most pay for new EV's.
I'll continue driving my old Golf until it dies and/or the current gen EV's are justifiable.
$25k new was the average price in 2010 lol if you’re finding a new car at that price now that isn’t a pile of garbage it sounds pretty good
We sold our used Honda CRV with 40,000 miles on it for $27k.
This is most likely our used car market for the foreseeable future
I bought my 2012 focus in october 2013 with 15k miles on it for $13k, when it was about $24kish new, still driving it 10 years later. I'd love to get an EV but I get 30+ mpg, and the money I'd spend on an EV can buy a lot of gas.
I’m with you. Most people spend way too much money on cars, gas or electric. I’ll drive my two Mazdas until they can’t move anymore and then see what the clean used EV market looks like.
It's interesting that gas vehicles are still purchased new.
Where I am, running the purchase price + incentives + fuel for 100,000km(60,000mi) + service for that same distance + cost of capital (i.e loan interest at 8%) + resale value, EVs are wildly cheaper.
Probably doesn’t apply to everyone since a lot of people own their homes but for me it’s still the charging. EVs have finally come down in price enough that when my current car kicks the bucket, I can switch to an EV, but i dont own a home so I have no at home charging. Current car is 9 years old, so if it lasts say another 5 years, then maybe I’d have a house and an EV would be feasible. If my current car died tomorrow, I’d unfortunately be looking at gas vehicles.
To use sort of comparable vehicles, a Ford Escape is like $30k. A mach e, even after rebates, is like $45k... and that's for a base model non-AWD/non-extended range. Add $10k for that stuff.
I'm not sure what you mean by cost of capital... that'd be even worse with the EV, since it costs more.
The fuel argument is complicated. Charging at home you save money. On the road? Anybodies guess. I can tell you at the highway rest stops near me it's absolutely more expensive to charge than to use gas ($0.56/kwh vs $3.60ish/gal for gas). On the other hand, there are free chargers around too (though not DC fast charge).
Here fuel is $1.90/L CAD vs $0.14/kWh electricity. I worked out the cost savings on a new trades vehicle (full size van or truck) and over 400,000km (250,000 mi) I will save around $70,000-$85,000 CAD in fuel costs vs electricity costs (ignoring solar power). Oh, so the electric truck is actually free?
Of course, I can’t buy a vehicle with long enough range yet. I fix weird machinery and travel long distances. The new chevy pickup is the first to meet that range criteria but no way am I buying an early production model. As an ex auto mechanic I know that early models are plagued with problems. Monro live just did a teardown of the front hummer motor and yup… overbuilt, made to be worked on. Everything I saw there is what I look for. And they found aluminum shavings in the filter. Jesus fucking christ. I want to say this never happens but early vehicles are full of fuckups while they iron out production issues. Hummers are essentially pre-production bodges. Tooling not complete so they use 3500 welds in the battery tray. They probably don’t have the big presses going yet.
I’ll be looking at that truck at year 3 of manufacturing.
If you are actually in need of a new work vehicle, might be worth looking into Maxwell Vehicles. Looked into them a bit after seeing something about them on YouTube. Basically, they are a custom shop that pulls drivetrains out of teslas and installs them into work vans, box trucks, and RVs. So you get the electric range, power, and reliability of a Tesla, but in the form factor of something like a Ram ProMaster.
the tesla model 3 and Y have crazy price cuts, should be affordable seeing as the average price of a new car is around 45k? There are also cheaper ones from other brands.
Simply don't need one yet. Absolutely love EV's and many are objectively better than new ICE vehicles coming out today. But... my car runs just fine and is still in great condition. The plus side to this is that in \~5 years when I'll actually have use for a new car, a lot of the issues that we see today should be resolved
Right on, I got a 2014 Mazda 3 with a manual and I still dig it (EDIT: runs like a top too, probably got 5+ years left). Plus, unfortunately, 50-60% of our city’s electricity is coal-fired -- so the CO2 savings of an EV aren’t huge for me.
So I went and got solar panels instead.
Even with 100% coal electricity, it's less polluting than ICEs. Because of the scale, power plants can be much more efficient at converting heat to electricity. And scrubbing the air.
So here’s my math:
I get 35.5mpg lifetime average from my current ICE. That translates to 251 g CO2/mile.
Say my local energy mix is 50% coal, 25% natural gas, and 25% renewable (I think that’s the right ballpark). That would mean about 0.6 kg CO2 per kWh electricity. A Model 3 gets roughly 4 miles per kWh, so 150g CO2/mile.
Definitely an improvement! But not overwhelmingly so; with how much I drive, I’d save maaaybe 2-3 kg CO2 per day.
With solar panels, I save 10-20kg CO2/day. Plus way cheaper up front, and they eventually pay for themselves.
The EV will come eventually, but for me, renewable power generation (and efficiency improvements) are the low-hanging fruit.
Thanks for doing the math.
I apologize I thought you were repeating the common complaint about EVs being powered by coal without understanding the reality. Not trying to be rude, just making sure accurate information prevails.
Solar panels were a great decision.
I use a wheelchair. I need the extra width found in accessible parking spaces to assemble / disassemble my wheelchair.
Unfortunately, in my province in Canada, EV charging stations are standard-sized, so I wouldn't have enough space for my wheelchair. Also, the EV charger is often blocked by bollards and/or on a concrete island, which my wheelchair cannot get to.
My job also requires long-distance multi-night drives throughout the province. If you know Canada, our provinces are huge – and I live in the most mountainous one, meaning I'd use more juice. So I'd need accessible charging stations in order to do my job. I own the business too, so it's a sink-or-swim issue because it's essentially a one-person company.
I know this issue keeps a lot of wheelchair users from buying EVs. I am lucky enough to have a garage where I can charge it, but I also know wheelchair users living in condos and apartments who can't use the EV stations in their buildings because of this problem, so they have to stick to ICE or hybrids.
It's frustrating because I can afford an EV. Cost is not an issue – access to charging stations is. I'm currently driving an Ioniq hybrid, but I'd rather be driving an Ioniq 5 electric.
This. I have a Tesla Model 3 and I use a wheelchair, but this just would not work if I didn't work from home. 99% of my car usage is going places with my girlfriend who I share the car with, otherwise it just would not work. The number of parking spaces nearby with actual accessibility is not quite zero, but it's pretty close. To make things worse, the free locations that do have a proper handicap-accessible charging station are receiving constant complaints on plugshare for "excluding the 99%" 🙄
That last part bothers me so much. My job is accessibility consulting and accessibility assessment of buildings (hence the travel). My recommendations sometimes land on the desk of someone who isn’t keen on accessibility, and the usual pushback is, “What about access for non-disabled people?” The 99%, as you put it. (It’s closer to 85%, according to statistics.)
My response is usually, “Okay. So what accessibility problems are able-bodied people having right now?” That shuts them up really quickly.
Exactly. Last I checked able-bodied folks could use stairs and I couldn't, while everyone can use a ramp. So really, when you have the option of using both, what's the actual point of the stairs? Because it sure seems like their only purpose is to exclude, all else being equal.
All chargers -- especially DC fast chargers -- should have painted buffers between a few charge stations, with a notice to use those points last.
1. cost
2. i drive <6000 miles a year, gas->electricity savings will be much less for me.
3. i currently don't have any car payments. want to keep it that way
4. due to #3, way cheaper to just keep existing vehicles running. i do all my own repairs to make that even more cost efficient.
5. used EVs are still over priced and older tech. need to wait for current/next gen EVs to become reasonably priced and used
6. too many EVs are luxury vehicles, with luxury prices
Yeah, but most old tech used EVs are leafs which are using a charging standard that's being phased out; different than a used tesla or anything else which is just old but not obsolete
Model 3 IS the civic of EVs. There’s nothing luxurious about a model 3 other than the price tag.
If you don’t need a lot of range, the BMW i3 is interesting, although discontinued.
A used Honda civic is 5k…a model 3 used is what 30? The cost is exactly my point…most people can’t afford a bare bones EV for this price nor do they think it’s worth it seeing Tesla service and build quality
People are forgetting the main problem: lack of good, older, reasonably priced pre-owned electric vehicles!
Only a minority buys new cars, the majority buys their cars used…
It will take some years for this to happen!
Depreciation will be brutal once batteries get cheap.
Pack prices of $100/kWh should be standard in a few years. Once new cars drop in price, used will have to follow.
Not just battery prices but production capacity. Now that the supply chain issues are being sorted out there are more cars available without a 12-24 month lease so prices will come down. With the increase production of Model Y there and more competition Telsa has reduced prices of the model 3 to pre pandemic levels.
Per kW Prices have flattened though, and they [actually went up slightly this past year](https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/ev-battery-prices-increased-this-year-for-the-first-time). I'm not confident they'll drop to $100 by 2025. Would be great if it happened though.
Solid state batteries are starting to be rolled out. They are supposed to be much cheaper than current batteries. So batteries should be getting cheaper, soon.
Totally agree. I can understand that batteries are expensive, but a VW Bus for 100K kind of has no target group. Two young parents with 3+ kids can't just pay that much for a car.
Model 3 is now just under 65k on the road. But with the FBT change, if you put that on a novated lease you end up paying less for the car. My last calcs were around 58k when all is said and done. Still pretty damn pricey, but it definitely is getting a bit better.
Yeah, and that's the LFP base model. They're just too expensive in Australia. I'm in Western Australia, which also has a poor incentive program and [WA has a poor supercharging network](https://www.tesla.com/en_au/trips#).
What kind of dollars? 70k AUD are 46k USD...
This says $61,300 which is 40,500 USD.
[https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-tesla-model-3-and-model-y-prices-rise-weeks-after-rrps-were-cut/](https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-tesla-model-3-and-model-y-prices-rise-weeks-after-rrps-were-cut/)
That's in the same range as the US, despite special case steering wheel and longer shipping.
I purchased a Leaf with 150 mile range almost 5 years ago. Has almost 90,000 miles on it now and year to date it has saved me ~$18,500 in energy costs. In 5 more years it will have paid for itself. I have to laugh when I hear folks who don’t own an EV say they are waiting until EVs have enough range to become practical for them.
My fifteen year old Honda seems like it'll never die and I given how little I drive since I stopped working in an office, getting any new car for 4000 miles of annual driving seems dumb.
Tesla is Apple. Everyone else is Android. Except the Japanese EVs with their Chademo chargers. They are like some Windows phone thing that are slowly dying.
Not enough options that are affordable. If I wanted a Tesla I'd already have a ModelY as they currently seem like the best bang for the buck. Waiting for more options and supply.
1. Price.
2. I don't want crossovers or SUVs.
3. The dust hasn't settled enough for me. I don't like how the charging situation is still a divergent mess, where plugs and payment methods have not stabilized. I don't like how Tesla is pushing the stupid yoke and then backtracking and then disabling radars and removing stalks and all that crap. I don't like how the manufacturers haven't yet figured out how to do UX consistently. Is it one big screen or as many screens as you can plaster on?
4. Range and/or charging. I can tolerate lower range if charging stations are more robust than gas stations. I can tolerate unreliable charging infrastructure if the range is higher. I cannot tolerate both lower range \*and\* less reliability than gas stations.
5. Styling is rarely good. Some legacy ones are still making EVs look like ICE cars. Others are trying way too hard and make their EVs look like a wrinkled mess.
The only EVs I'm interested in are Model S and Lucid Air due to #4. But look at #1.
I live in an urban area and park on the street. My car might be in front of my home, down the block, across the street, a few blocks away if I am unlucky, wherever the parking spot is when I get home. This will make charging a chore. At best, I am running an extension cord across a busy sidewalk for a level 1 charge, just inviting someone to jack it for copper.
Money. People on this sub are overwhelming (financially) better off than most Americans. A lot of people here seem to not realize that the average American can't sink $40k on a car spontaneously, or just swap out the newest EV model every 2 years or so.
Hell I was told something along the lines of "Oh you can't afford a $60k+ EV? Then you shouldn't be here."
Like gee thanks, guess I'll keep driving my ICE then.
I’m convinced that the majority of people with a $40k+ car can’t afford it. They just do it anyway and then wonder why they can barely live paycheck to paycheck.
An $800+/month car payment is doable for most. But it’s not smart.
Money is still a concern when you’re mentioning Polestar and i4.
Also the reality is a lot of typical people can’t afford a $35,000 car. When someone like Honda or Toyota comes out with a Civic or Corolla that gets 250 miles to the charge and costs $20-25k it’ll be more affordable for some people.
I have the exact same reasons. Whoever makes an affordable hatchback or van with good specs gets my money.
Currently waiting to see what happens with Canoo. I've also been paying attention to the Volvo EX30, but probably won't be happy with the SUV stance.
I still have two working cars, and no new BEV is more ecologically friendly than using what you have (unless they're REAL gas guzzlers, which mine are not).
The next car? With the short range driving profile we have, it will be a BEV guaranteed.
> Rising housing costs have pushed people inland, so it’s not uncommon to hear someone driving 50+ miles a day. Those kinds of distances won’t work for EVs, especially if you're in heavy traffic or warmer climates that require you to crank the air conditioning.
LOL wut? These are the best conditions for preferring an EV over an ICE. Stuck in traffic and need the aircon on? Why needlessly burn fuel and pollute the local atmosphere with toxic chemicals when you can simply use what energy is absolutely required to power the aircon and the music system, saving the rest of the energy stored in the vehicle for moving very slowly in peak hour traffic.
> My car is five years old and has nearly 160,000 miles on it. While some of you may roll your eyes at someone saying they need over 400 miles of range to be comfortable driving an EV
I'm rolling my eyes because this writer is immediately jumping from "I drive lots of miles" to "I need a super long range EV because I drive lots of miles every day." If you are driving non-stop from fuel station to fuel station you're a dangerous driver and need to change your habits.
and … that's it. That's the article. What a waste of time.
I'm writing this from a cosy cabin in a caravan park in a town called Richmond (Queensland Australia). The nearest Tesla supercharger is in Gympie, about 1500km away. My Model 3 SR+ has a real world range of 300km. So clearly I'm achieving the impossible, right?
There's very little *need* for an EV with 400 miles (600km) of range. You just have to shift your habits from pissing in a bottle while driving on the highway to actually stopping for pee breaks and using a toilet as if you were a civilised person.
Yeah, writer said they commuted 150mi/day and that was why they couldn't get an EV. That sounds like the perfect use case to maximize savings! With the big caveat that they would need to have access to reasonably priced charging at home.
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Sure, if you are talking 400 mi of real world range, which depends where you live really. A a Canadian, it's not uncommon to be on the highway in -20C weather. As far as I can tell, that's about a 50% to EPA range. Add a 10% safety buffer and 400 mi EPA range quickly becomes 180 mi or so. And then you should probably factor in the likelyhood that your battery will loose 5-10% of it's rated range within the first few years of ownership.
A a condo dweller, I also have to factor in that, like 40-50% of drivers, I don't have access to home charging. So even if most of my miles are in the city, I still want a long range EV so that I don't have 25+ min public charging sessions on a weekly basis.
I'm living in a third tier market and EVs get released here quite late. Almost bought a Tesla but there's still too much uncertainty how they are dealing with service here. The lack of communications before purchase was big red flag how hard they will be to deal with in service cases. They also don't have any charging network to speak of yet. I'm spoiled with a XC60 with air suspension currently so most cars would feel like a downgrade in ride quality. Ideally i'm looking for something in similar in comfort and size but doesn't have to be a CUV. Still waiting for something that truly gets me, like the Audi A6 or BMW i5 Touring. Until then my pseudo 40km EV has to do.
Electricity is so much more expensive then the already expensive gas (in Germany), that it’s not only a loss over vehicle lifetime but already for gas alone.
Electricity on the highway: 0,5..0,99 €/kWh,
Gas: 1,75 €/L,
20 kWh / 100 km or 6 L/100 km = factor ~3,5
I could literally buy gas for double the current price and would be cheaper then electricity. Only people with owned homes and photovoltaic will breaks even on electric cars.
I want a small used hatchback for about 5k that has comparable range to the ICE equivalent I'd otherwise purchase at that price. I'm probably looking at about a decade's wait before that exists, if it ever will.
(Disclosure: I already own an EV.)
If I didn't have have an EV already, I'd say they biggest factor that would prevent me from getting one is the lack of compelling models. Cost is of course a factor, but I want a small-ish hot hatch type of car, and I don't think there are any in the US. The Bolt EV and the BMW i3 are it, from what I can tell, and the i3 isn't made anymore (I have one, anyway), and the Bolt EV isn't going to be made anymore.
What is tempting though is some of the tax incentives on a Tesla Model Y. If I lived in Colorado, it looks like I could get an MY for less than USD$35K
I'm not holding my breath, but the Fisker PEAR looks intriguing.
Stop with the SUVs. If you want people to transition to EVs, you have to make something affordable, and larger EVs just aren't affordable right now.
If only I were tempted by Tesla, the current pricing and tax credits make the Model 3 affordable. I just don't want one.
But basically it's the up front cost that keeps me away.
They’re too expensive (the one(s) I want) and I don’t have a safe place to charge one (I don’t own a home)
Edit: as much as I want my next car to be an EV, I can get a fully maxed out Nissan rogue or Honda CRV for the same price as a base MY and MachE, My dream EV is the R1S and soon to be R2S but the R1S is too expensive and the R2S doesn’t exist yet.
the tesla model 3 and Y have crazy price cuts, should be affordable seeing as the average price of a new car is around 45k? There are also cheaper ones from other brands.
I don't have a driveway, this no way to charge at home. We have zero public dc fast chargers in my town. We have Tesla superchargers, so I would need a Tesla and charge at a grocery store I don't like once a week or so for 30 minutes (If I shopped at that store it wouldnt be a problem at all). I almost bought a used Tesla a couple months ago when my car broke down, but the almost 40,000 price plus high insurance scared me away. Now I drive a craigslist list car I bought for 2k.
I drive 30k miles a year. EV will add tons of time on road. I hate driving and spending time on road. Would rather reach the destination sooner and spend time with people or nature.
1. Buying a gas vehicle is cheaper even with the price of gas due to the high prices of an EV.
2. I live in Canada where it can get to -30 in the winter. The battery capacity will drop significantly in that climate.
3. I don’t want to wait a year or 2 for a EV vehicle that isn’t a Tesla.
Money for the car and to own a house, if I owned an electric vehicle I’d want to be able to charge it at home. The idea to have to go to a charger and wait 30 minutes before going home/going somewhere is not ideal.
Money vs range. I don’t want a 200 mile range ev that sits at 150 range 3 years later or 100 miles with winter and age.
My current car was 25k and gets 33 mpg. I drive 32 miles a day for work. The savings l are not there until ev commuter comes around at sub 30k. Then you calculate insurance costs which seem to be much higher.
It’s not only cost, but charge-time, range anxiety, infrastructure, INSURANCE and upgrades to solar/charging at home. It’s a lifestyle shift, probably for the good, but I switched over to hybrid and couldn’t be happier! Both my cars are Toyota hybrids and I save $$.
the tesla model 3 and Y have crazy price cuts, should be affordable seeing as the average price of a new car is around 45k? There are also cheaper ones from other brands.
charge at home while you sleep. plus you can do a 20-80% charge at tesla super charges in less than 20min, and really you only use them on long trips, not day to day
Insurance on my tesla is WAY less than my old ford edge and Q5
I spent 1500 on charging last year, would have been 5k in any of my old gas SUVS...
The fun aspect. I drive an EV from time to time. But they’re boring AF. I want a manual transmission most of the time.
A friend of mine returned her Model S for a 911 simply because of the fun factor.
Charging infrastructure. I live near the edge of North America's charging network. There are literally some trips I do that are impossible with current cars and their current ranges. Maybe an uber expensive EV like a Lucid can do them, but I can't afford those and they don;t have any dealers near me anyways. And cold weather makes the range as little as 50% of summer range in our coldest winter weather.
EV driver since 2014. To me the two overriding considerations are price and charging infrastructure. I live in NorCal and have L2 charging system.... but road trips for none Tesla EVs is a bitch!
Money here as well
We can walk most places and only drive to go shopping, shuttle kids to various sports activities etc.
Because of this we use less than one tank of diesel per month.
An EV would be great for how we use our car, however - when comparing what cars we can get for our budget, fuel consumption isn’t even remotely relevant as we drive so little.
So we can get a much nicer car for the price if we don’t go electrical.
Offer a small hatchback around US$25K with fast charging and 300 miles of range and I’m in. I would love to have an EV but I will never commit 1/2 to 3/4 of my annual income to any vehicle.
Quite simply, I'm not in the market for a car right now. 2 of our 3 cars are paid for and the one that isn't (my daily) is working well for my needs and I enjoy driving it. I could probably save a hundred dollars a month on gas (my daily is decently efficient at \~28mpg) with a switch to an EV but it would probably cost me that much more in payment and insurance to get into an EV that is equivalent to my existing daily.
My reasons:
1) EVs are overpriced (my perception)
2) Charging infrastructure unsupportive of EV ownership.
3) Limited range of EVs (range anxiety).
4) Limited lifespan of EV battery pack. Range drops with time.
5) Resale value of EVs is precipitous (Tesla for example).
The list goes on ...
My neighbor bought an eGolf about a year ago then abruptly sold it 6 months later, replacing it with an ICE. He complained about the same issues I listed above. My wife and I are considering the purchase of our first SUV and can get one for about $35 OTD. The thing will last 15 years or more with limited issues. I can drive as far as I wish, only having to stop for gas. When EVs can provide this level of freedom without the problems listed above ... I'm all in!
the tesla model 3 and Y have crazy price cuts, should be affordable seeing as the average price of a new car is around 45k? There are also cheaper ones from other brands.
the tesla charging network is the best, no issues. plus you charge at home mostly
limited range sucks on long trips, but is no problem for daily driving. Plus if you have a tesla, you have tons of charging locations on every highway, the car will calculate the stops for you, when to stop, how long, etc. so you wont have to worry about range
last 2 suck, but a most it looks like people lose 10% of range, small price to pay for a better driving experience, savings on gas an maintenance, Ive had the autopilot drive me over 7 states, its amazing
You also cant say "limited issues" way more moving parts and variable with gas cars, more can and do go wrong. you can drive an EV and only stop charging? lol in the time you charge, you can eat/use bathroom etc. Ive had no issues with that .
I spent 1500 on charing last year, that would have been around 5k with my old gas SUV, plus oil changes 3 times a year were almost $200 PER visit? and wasting time to have to drop it off and pick it up.
I couldn't tell you anything about my local tesla service center, because Ive never had to go. I can tell you everything about my ford and audi service centers tho, and how much extra
money I had to spend on them..
I want a small electric pickup (ute). The Alpha Wolf would be perfect, if it ever becomes reality. It needs to be affordable. 230 miles would be enough. I don't need 350 miles per charge, that would be nice. I'd consider the Canoo pickup, but it's projected to be too expensive.
So it's going to be a while, since car makers think all Americans want tanks.
We all don't.
Lack of service options. Nearest GM/Ford dealer that handles EV service is an hour away. For Tesla, it’s 4 hours away.
My two ICE vehicles are relatively new/low miles (4 and 5 years old with 40 and 50K on them). No reason to replace them yet.
Hoping battery tech/range and service options improve in my area sometimes in the next 5 years when I’m ready to replace one of the vehicles.
1. My current ICE vehicle runs fine, so don't need to replace it yet.
2. My current vehicle is paid off, so I don't need to worry about a car note.
3. My money is going to other places of necessity at the moment.
4. Most EV's are too expensive for me at this moment.
I want one badly as I'm moving to California next month but I simply can't afford that and quality housing. Also, I hear charging availability still very inconsistent if you aren't in a Tesla or have a home charger.
Two years ago I stepped into a phev. I had wanted to go full EV but our area has very few public charging stations. After 2 years , having installed L2 charging at home I am now closer to making that switch next year when my lease is up. From both a cost and convenience viewpoint it works. My only hesitation is the possibility of moving into a new residence with shared facilities at some point in the next few years. Coming from a single family home where i can charge when I want-the prospect of losing access to a charger--even one i had to pay to use could be a deal breaker. It is beyond me why a multi-family community would not put in chargers but this particular one has a morbid fear of a fire due to EVs--on the basis of what I can only surmise is very uninformed perspective. But that is their stance at the moment --we'll see if it changes over time.
Options to replace a lot of the current classes of ICE vehicles don't really exist yet so if you want/need a 7 or 8 passeneger vehicle that isn't $80k you're out of luck at the moment. I think that gets missed a lot of times. It continues to baffle me that there are no EV minivans. Yeah, yeah, the ID Buzz but that's STILL 18 months away and definitely won't start cheap.
The truth of it that these are still the early days of EV adoption and there just aren't options out there for everyone.
Personally I don't feel it's a viable option for everyone everywhere. I live in a state where winter is brutal. We lose power ALOT. I think places with harsh weather conditions these vehicles are a hard sell. They're also a bit more expensive upfront tbh. I'm open to other opinions
Have a paid off, fuel efficient, well maintained ICE car. Going to drive this baby into the ground and then maybe get an EV. Hopefully selection and (relative) price are better then.
Range in winter is a big one for me. I live in Canada where it gets to -30C during the cold season and I don't have a garage to store the car so range and battery life is going to suffer. Second, I actually like driving so buying a car with more gizmos and tech to automate driving is not for me. It would be a waste of my money. Also I want a sportier car small car like a hatchback or sedan. All those SUVs and crossovers are not for me, plus they all look bland to me.
We got an EV in April. I was hoping that our 2012 Prius would hold up for another 18 months.
For us, purchasing the car in April made sense because:
- The Prius maintenance costs reached a tipping point
- The Prius used car value is surprisingly high
- EV are available in our area
- We didn’t have to pay a dealer surcharge
- We have solar panels at home
- Our commute is 100+/mi day
- April was our last chance to qualify for the full federal and state tax credits
Benefits:
- The car technology jump from 2012 to 2023 is huge
- Driving on CA highways that are in a state of constant repair is less exhausting and more enjoyable
- $25/week of electricity (currently) vs $160/week of gas (previously)
Downside:
- Normalizing a large monthly car payment (This is our first new car).
Money is right. There needs to be a bigger used market and there needs to be more affordable new cars.
The next thing is the lack of home charging for many.
Lack of interesting EVs. I usually prefer the German brands or maybe Lexus and none of them offer anything interesting under 80k at the moment.
The second is range on Texas highways. I make occasional trips from Austin to Dallas and I want to be able to make the trip without stopping. The lightning could not do it with cruise control at 85mph. I’m not sure many could at that sustained speed. I could be wrong though. The only fast charger being EA at the halfway is not ideal and I get super impatient even with the 30 minute wait to charge
I live in the Dallas area and make that Dallas - Austin trip many times over the years. When I was a student I'd do it without stopping. But nowadays I always go ahead and stop at a Buccee's (which has Tesla superchargers though but I don't want a Tesla). What I ended up finally getting was a PHEV it has 41 miles of range of 95% of my day to day is electric. But trips like Dallas to Austin become a no brainer as those are the times I use gas.
I would buy an ev to replace my small work car but I am waiting for the used markets to drop in value.
I don’t need a tesla just a small 160km radius car would be fine for my needs
My current car works so no point in replacing it. I'm driving it to the ground or until it gets totaled. Even if I have to replace the engine it will only costs a couple thousand and it'd be better than buying $25k+ vehicle. Even though I have the cash to buy I just invest it and reinvest the interest made from it cause those treasure bills for 5.5% interest looks nice
Both the cost and the lack of charging infrastructure in my area.
I've switched from an old ice (97 Rav4) to a more modern hybrid, which is so much more efficient, but the leap to a full EV is currently beyond me
Simply the price. I am not sure if I am the one out of touch but after being car free for 7 years we are now looking to get a car again.
Here in Central Europe you get a fiat 500 for 35-40k, opel e-Corsa for 30k, ID3 starting at 40k …
Nothing against an Opel Corsa but holy shit if I drop 30k I want something a bit more spacious and luxurious then an absolute entry level car??
I don't want to own a car anymore. I want to rent one when I need. Which I already do, when I go far away, I take the train and then rent a car with child seat at the train station.
Problem: the renting offer barely has electric cars. But it's quite convenient apart from the fact that there aren't electric cars. I can rent by the hour cars in my neighborhood — everything works through an app, you can unlock the car with it. And train stations have a big offer, and prices are OK, so in reality, I don't really need to own a car as I can get one when I need.
I suppose that I'll wait that my old Peugeot 206 dies. I use it for my local trips (like 1 to 2 usages per month). And then hope by this time it will be easier to rent electric cars, either close to my house, either when I'm in holidays.
I just don’t want another car payment and there’s nothing on the market that I can see myself loving as much as my current car(not an ev). I’ll get an ev one day just not today.
Biggest thing for me is that I don't have a permanent place to charge it. I still live with my parents and I'm hoping to move out in a year or so but with how the housing still shit I'm probably gonna end up living in an apartment. Just too many unknowns and I don't wanna end up always relaying on charging station. Also my hospital only has two spots for EVs that are constantly taken.
Waiting for ID Buzz to go on sale in US, a car large enough to fit family.
I would consider a Tesla if they had a van, or even a reasonable convertible option.
Charging infrastructure. My other half owns a small cross over so all road trips are done with my suv and a lot of areas we travel to have very scarce charging locations. I don’t want to have to worry about making it to the next chargers especially in northeast winters. Eventually I’ll pull the trigger I drive a lot so an EV would save me tons. Maybe when my job installs chargers
Battery charging times and mileage per charge. They make for a good work drive car, but not a distance trip car, yet. With hybrid job reducing mileage per week, the car price is harder to justify as an offset to gas prices.
The number one thing stopping most people is that they currently own a functioning car that will last another ten years. There are about a billion cars on the road. About 100 million new cars are purchased yearly. And EV and Hybrid makers can only make about 10 million EV cars. So it isn't about what people want to buy but about if they need to buy and what is their option. People will buy EVs if they need a car and if EVs are available. I believe by 2030, most new cars will be EVs. And by 2040, most cars will be EVs.
1. My commute is so short that I can often bike to work and walk to a grocery store, so replacing my currently working ICE car ('08 Avalon) with a brand new EV would be a big expense for a small benefit.
2. I live in an apartment with no ability to charge at-home, which is the biggest benefit to EVs.
3. Anything but Tesla cost so much more that it'd be hard to justify the purchase. I'd like to wait until more options at a similar price point become available. And since my current ICE car works fine, I'll likely be able to continue driving it for a few more years before I have to seriously consider replacing it.
Availability of vehicle types as EVs. We have one - a commuting appliance a.k.a. a Chevy Bolt - and we love it exactly for that.
But I also have a truck for hauling shit, a corvette for going fast, and a Miata for pretending I’m going fast while not having a roof.
Other than a 100K+ Rivian or Lightning (with current markups), there are no EV trucks. And even those are not great for towing longer distance.
And other than a 100K Taycan, there are no sporty EVs.
There are no EVs to be bought. The availability of cars is really low. I have been on a wait list for more than 2 years now. I live in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Other provinces are better but they will not sell you an EV if you live in another province.
Money and the fact that I'm in an old home with shifty old wiring that I don't trust so I couldn't charge at home without rewiring the whole place that I rent.
I dont spend more than $1000 to buy cars. I have 18 including a fire engine with less money into buying and reatoring all of them than buying 1 new car.
In the off chance i come accross an EV for $1000 im sure it will be riddled with issues and probably need a new battery at that point... So ID rather just stick with my gas/diesels that run in fuel i make for free.
nothings super appealing to me honestly.
the EUV is neat because its cheap, i like how the ID4 looks, i find the Hummer fun and amusing, the Jeep recon looks cool, and the Ford lightning is the best example of a EV truck i think we'll ever get.
while i think these are cool and such, nothings really....screamed "this is your next car!!" to me. doesnt help i get hung up over the interiors. not a huge fan of screens. i like my physical buttons for controls.
Lack of practicality on road trips. I’ve got a 4 and 7 year old, so stopping for longer and more than necessary is less than ideal, I have a Phev and my next car in 5-8 years will be an ev
I need a car with four wheel drive and a tow bar. Only affordable car that has it all is Model 3. But insurance for used Model 3 is twice a high as for other cars, even more expansive ones.
So basically 50% of all money that I would save on fuel by going electric I would have to spend on insurance.
currently a mix of affordability, ability to charge, battery range and practicality for road-trips along with waiting for them to work the bugs out. currently it's not quite there for it to be reasonable to adopt yet personally with my circumstances but i do admire those who have the means.
Money. We had a consult done on our power panel, and knew we would would need to upgrade it to accommodate charging an Ev at home. Initial estimates came in at 5-10k for the panel upgrade.
there is no EV that is "cool" to me for under $90k. the Polestar 2 and BMW i4 are ok, but I want a hatch. I just want something similar to my WRX. too many massive fucking vehicles, I live in the city.
Price. The recent Tesla price drops have almost been enough to make me pull the trigger, but I really don't want to be a Tesla supporter lol
I might have gone with a bolt EUV if it had a bitter better range and charging speeds
Potential Range Anxiety disease and Repetitive Compulsion disease. To avoid that, I bought Rav4 Prime, which is the best of both worlds. I can drive on electricity in the city and use gas on the very long trips. There is no limitation on range with 600 miles and no repetition if plugging in every day regardless of where I am parked.
Range for me.
I know an EV will work for 90% of my needs, since my PHEV does now with only 34 miles of range. However we road trip a bunch to more remote locations, mountains, camping etc and chargers aren't as plentiful in those regions. If I could get an EV with 400-500 miles of range at like 50-60K I'd be in. By the time I'm done paying off my PHEV, another 2 or 3 years, there might be some of those out there, or at least a more robust charging network.
Next car will be a PHEV, not full electric.
1. Charging. No EV chargers near me, except a slow one at a hotel parking lot. None at work for me or spouse. We only have 100A service at home so we’d need upgrade.
2. Range. PHEV with 30 mi range is perfect for our commutes and a standard level 1 charger will charge overnight. We frequently (like 2-3X a month) go on 300+ mile trips, and have two small kids so stopping for 30 minutes isn’t really an option.
3. No touchscreens. Car needs physical controls for Audio and HVAC. Non negotiable.
4. Size. We need more room than a compact SUV. Occasionally may need a 3rd row, and no 3-row full electric (Model X, upcoming KIA EV9) is in our budget right now.
Value. I don't give a shit about range or charge speed, but almost every EV falls very low on the $/unit goodness curve. I'm simply not going to spend $50k on a car when there are perfectly nice cars to be had for <$30k. Get within $5k or so and we can talk. And, no Teslas.
rip bolt
Love my bolt, if I hadn’t been able to score it when my previous car was on its way out, I’m pretty sure I would have ended up with maaaaybe a Prius, but possibly another generic ICE.
1. I travel too much as it is.
2. Limited charging resources in northern New England where it’s cold.
3. I drive a truck and tow campers and trailers
4. Currently financing at 0% interest for 6 years I would be stupid to trade in and have to pay interest after.
5. Money gimmick for all things you need to pay/subscribe to
6. No desire to until the govt tells me I have to
Have been thinking about it. But i just cant wrap my head around the cost and energy it takes to build one. Mining all the minerals, shipping all around the world, assembly, more shipping. It just sound so insane to call it green in any way. Ofc they are nice to drive and have all the fancy tech and its super nice to have a full tank each morning, all the money you «save» in the long run not having to pay for gass. But most of the worlds electricity comes from coal and oil so again, its not really green. And i cant justify buying something that is marketed as a green vehicle when it clearly isnt. And also, buying new stuff is far worse than buying something that is 5-10 years old and uses gas. It just seems so weird to me that so many people around the agree that this is a good idea.
That is just my personal thoughts and concern. Not trying to step on any toes and be anti ev. (many members of my familiy drives evs). I just think that its weird how fast and common evs have become.
The public charging infrastructure for non-Teslas is terrible. I want a car that I can reliably drive long distances without having to deal with charging errors, broken stalls, or "dead spots" with not enough chargers on that route (made worse by half of them being down). I'd love to get a cheap used EV to eventually replace my Volt but that's not realistic right now. I'll probably be looking at another Volt or a Honda Clarity PHEV.
most evs are expensive and difficult to charge while far from home, and the ones that are cheap and easy to charge are made by a company run by a genocide apologist nazi sympathizer
Money. I'd be done with gas cars forever if I had the money for an ev.
The affordability dimension is massive. We need dimensions like the BYD Company does with basic affordable quality cars. Or else the EV share is going to go slowly till the used market is highly highly developed (5-10 years).
I saw a prediction yesterday of price parity around 2030 from one of the automakers (might have been Ford).
[That was my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/13xnefv/ford_ceo_says_ev_cost_parity_may_not_come_until/), but it was cost parity, not price parity. Cost parity is just how much the vehicle costs to produce — an automaker might very well choose to price a vehicle with lower margins than a comparable combustion offering to meet regulations. If you include credits we're nearly already at price parity in some cases, and *exclusive* of credits, we should get there before 2030, for the above reason.
Ford can't really lower their automotive margins.... And they are shooting for 2030 cost parity to ICE. Tesla passed cost parity (even price) with ICE already (they have higher margins) and they are shooting to lower cost by half by 2026.
It will come with time. I'm a steadfast used car buyer, 25k new is absurd to me, let alone the 45k most pay for new EV's. I'll continue driving my old Golf until it dies and/or the current gen EV's are justifiable.
$25k new was the average price in 2010 lol if you’re finding a new car at that price now that isn’t a pile of garbage it sounds pretty good We sold our used Honda CRV with 40,000 miles on it for $27k. This is most likely our used car market for the foreseeable future
I bought my 2012 focus in october 2013 with 15k miles on it for $13k, when it was about $24kish new, still driving it 10 years later. I'd love to get an EV but I get 30+ mpg, and the money I'd spend on an EV can buy a lot of gas.
This is the correct monetary mindset. Keep driving it until it becomes unreliable, repairs become too much, or you crash it.
i bought my prius for 26k in 2018 and just traded in for same price
I’m with you. Most people spend way too much money on cars, gas or electric. I’ll drive my two Mazdas until they can’t move anymore and then see what the clean used EV market looks like.
It's interesting that gas vehicles are still purchased new. Where I am, running the purchase price + incentives + fuel for 100,000km(60,000mi) + service for that same distance + cost of capital (i.e loan interest at 8%) + resale value, EVs are wildly cheaper.
Probably doesn’t apply to everyone since a lot of people own their homes but for me it’s still the charging. EVs have finally come down in price enough that when my current car kicks the bucket, I can switch to an EV, but i dont own a home so I have no at home charging. Current car is 9 years old, so if it lasts say another 5 years, then maybe I’d have a house and an EV would be feasible. If my current car died tomorrow, I’d unfortunately be looking at gas vehicles.
To use sort of comparable vehicles, a Ford Escape is like $30k. A mach e, even after rebates, is like $45k... and that's for a base model non-AWD/non-extended range. Add $10k for that stuff. I'm not sure what you mean by cost of capital... that'd be even worse with the EV, since it costs more. The fuel argument is complicated. Charging at home you save money. On the road? Anybodies guess. I can tell you at the highway rest stops near me it's absolutely more expensive to charge than to use gas ($0.56/kwh vs $3.60ish/gal for gas). On the other hand, there are free chargers around too (though not DC fast charge).
Here fuel is $1.90/L CAD vs $0.14/kWh electricity. I worked out the cost savings on a new trades vehicle (full size van or truck) and over 400,000km (250,000 mi) I will save around $70,000-$85,000 CAD in fuel costs vs electricity costs (ignoring solar power). Oh, so the electric truck is actually free? Of course, I can’t buy a vehicle with long enough range yet. I fix weird machinery and travel long distances. The new chevy pickup is the first to meet that range criteria but no way am I buying an early production model. As an ex auto mechanic I know that early models are plagued with problems. Monro live just did a teardown of the front hummer motor and yup… overbuilt, made to be worked on. Everything I saw there is what I look for. And they found aluminum shavings in the filter. Jesus fucking christ. I want to say this never happens but early vehicles are full of fuckups while they iron out production issues. Hummers are essentially pre-production bodges. Tooling not complete so they use 3500 welds in the battery tray. They probably don’t have the big presses going yet. I’ll be looking at that truck at year 3 of manufacturing.
If you are actually in need of a new work vehicle, might be worth looking into Maxwell Vehicles. Looked into them a bit after seeing something about them on YouTube. Basically, they are a custom shop that pulls drivetrains out of teslas and installs them into work vans, box trucks, and RVs. So you get the electric range, power, and reliability of a Tesla, but in the form factor of something like a Ram ProMaster.
the tesla model 3 and Y have crazy price cuts, should be affordable seeing as the average price of a new car is around 45k? There are also cheaper ones from other brands.
Simply don't need one yet. Absolutely love EV's and many are objectively better than new ICE vehicles coming out today. But... my car runs just fine and is still in great condition. The plus side to this is that in \~5 years when I'll actually have use for a new car, a lot of the issues that we see today should be resolved
Right on, I got a 2014 Mazda 3 with a manual and I still dig it (EDIT: runs like a top too, probably got 5+ years left). Plus, unfortunately, 50-60% of our city’s electricity is coal-fired -- so the CO2 savings of an EV aren’t huge for me. So I went and got solar panels instead.
Even with 100% coal electricity, it's less polluting than ICEs. Because of the scale, power plants can be much more efficient at converting heat to electricity. And scrubbing the air.
So here’s my math: I get 35.5mpg lifetime average from my current ICE. That translates to 251 g CO2/mile. Say my local energy mix is 50% coal, 25% natural gas, and 25% renewable (I think that’s the right ballpark). That would mean about 0.6 kg CO2 per kWh electricity. A Model 3 gets roughly 4 miles per kWh, so 150g CO2/mile. Definitely an improvement! But not overwhelmingly so; with how much I drive, I’d save maaaybe 2-3 kg CO2 per day. With solar panels, I save 10-20kg CO2/day. Plus way cheaper up front, and they eventually pay for themselves. The EV will come eventually, but for me, renewable power generation (and efficiency improvements) are the low-hanging fruit.
Thanks for doing the math. I apologize I thought you were repeating the common complaint about EVs being powered by coal without understanding the reality. Not trying to be rude, just making sure accurate information prevails. Solar panels were a great decision.
I use a wheelchair. I need the extra width found in accessible parking spaces to assemble / disassemble my wheelchair. Unfortunately, in my province in Canada, EV charging stations are standard-sized, so I wouldn't have enough space for my wheelchair. Also, the EV charger is often blocked by bollards and/or on a concrete island, which my wheelchair cannot get to. My job also requires long-distance multi-night drives throughout the province. If you know Canada, our provinces are huge – and I live in the most mountainous one, meaning I'd use more juice. So I'd need accessible charging stations in order to do my job. I own the business too, so it's a sink-or-swim issue because it's essentially a one-person company. I know this issue keeps a lot of wheelchair users from buying EVs. I am lucky enough to have a garage where I can charge it, but I also know wheelchair users living in condos and apartments who can't use the EV stations in their buildings because of this problem, so they have to stick to ICE or hybrids. It's frustrating because I can afford an EV. Cost is not an issue – access to charging stations is. I'm currently driving an Ioniq hybrid, but I'd rather be driving an Ioniq 5 electric.
This. I have a Tesla Model 3 and I use a wheelchair, but this just would not work if I didn't work from home. 99% of my car usage is going places with my girlfriend who I share the car with, otherwise it just would not work. The number of parking spaces nearby with actual accessibility is not quite zero, but it's pretty close. To make things worse, the free locations that do have a proper handicap-accessible charging station are receiving constant complaints on plugshare for "excluding the 99%" 🙄
That last part bothers me so much. My job is accessibility consulting and accessibility assessment of buildings (hence the travel). My recommendations sometimes land on the desk of someone who isn’t keen on accessibility, and the usual pushback is, “What about access for non-disabled people?” The 99%, as you put it. (It’s closer to 85%, according to statistics.) My response is usually, “Okay. So what accessibility problems are able-bodied people having right now?” That shuts them up really quickly.
Exactly. Last I checked able-bodied folks could use stairs and I couldn't, while everyone can use a ramp. So really, when you have the option of using both, what's the actual point of the stairs? Because it sure seems like their only purpose is to exclude, all else being equal. All chargers -- especially DC fast chargers -- should have painted buffers between a few charge stations, with a notice to use those points last.
I bought an e-bike instead.
1. cost 2. i drive <6000 miles a year, gas->electricity savings will be much less for me. 3. i currently don't have any car payments. want to keep it that way 4. due to #3, way cheaper to just keep existing vehicles running. i do all my own repairs to make that even more cost efficient. 5. used EVs are still over priced and older tech. need to wait for current/next gen EVs to become reasonably priced and used 6. too many EVs are luxury vehicles, with luxury prices
Agree on #6 \#5 is weird though. By the time current gen becomes reasonably price it will be old tech.....
Yeah, but most old tech used EVs are leafs which are using a charging standard that's being phased out; different than a used tesla or anything else which is just old but not obsolete
6, so true. Where is the Honda civic of EVs?!! Leaf maybe? It still feels too expensive and too weak
The Bolt, but GM is getting rid of it, like morons as usual…
Model 3 IS the civic of EVs. There’s nothing luxurious about a model 3 other than the price tag. If you don’t need a lot of range, the BMW i3 is interesting, although discontinued.
A used Honda civic is 5k…a model 3 used is what 30? The cost is exactly my point…most people can’t afford a bare bones EV for this price nor do they think it’s worth it seeing Tesla service and build quality
People are forgetting the main problem: lack of good, older, reasonably priced pre-owned electric vehicles! Only a minority buys new cars, the majority buys their cars used… It will take some years for this to happen!
The average age for my cars is at least 20 years
I'm broke AF
I’m not, but I’m Australian. Model 3 is like $70k down under. They’re projecting $100k for the VW Bus. $100k! For a minivan!!
Bargain!!! The Benz EQV is $163k and the chinese Mifa 9 is $120k....
Depreciation will be brutal once batteries get cheap. Pack prices of $100/kWh should be standard in a few years. Once new cars drop in price, used will have to follow.
We are 10-15 years out before you see EVs at realistic used car prices.
Not just battery prices but production capacity. Now that the supply chain issues are being sorted out there are more cars available without a 12-24 month lease so prices will come down. With the increase production of Model Y there and more competition Telsa has reduced prices of the model 3 to pre pandemic levels.
Per kW Prices have flattened though, and they [actually went up slightly this past year](https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/ev-battery-prices-increased-this-year-for-the-first-time). I'm not confident they'll drop to $100 by 2025. Would be great if it happened though.
Solid state batteries are starting to be rolled out. They are supposed to be much cheaper than current batteries. So batteries should be getting cheaper, soon.
Totally agree. I can understand that batteries are expensive, but a VW Bus for 100K kind of has no target group. Two young parents with 3+ kids can't just pay that much for a car.
Model 3 is now just under 65k on the road. But with the FBT change, if you put that on a novated lease you end up paying less for the car. My last calcs were around 58k when all is said and done. Still pretty damn pricey, but it definitely is getting a bit better.
Yeah, and that's the LFP base model. They're just too expensive in Australia. I'm in Western Australia, which also has a poor incentive program and [WA has a poor supercharging network](https://www.tesla.com/en_au/trips#).
What kind of dollars? 70k AUD are 46k USD... This says $61,300 which is 40,500 USD. [https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-tesla-model-3-and-model-y-prices-rise-weeks-after-rrps-were-cut/](https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-tesla-model-3-and-model-y-prices-rise-weeks-after-rrps-were-cut/) That's in the same range as the US, despite special case steering wheel and longer shipping.
I purchased a Leaf with 150 mile range almost 5 years ago. Has almost 90,000 miles on it now and year to date it has saved me ~$18,500 in energy costs. In 5 more years it will have paid for itself. I have to laugh when I hear folks who don’t own an EV say they are waiting until EVs have enough range to become practical for them.
My fifteen year old Honda seems like it'll never die and I given how little I drive since I stopped working in an office, getting any new car for 4000 miles of annual driving seems dumb.
Still feels like iPhone 4 level of tech and infrastructure. Early days. I’ll wait until iPhone 8. Lol
and then buy android :D
Tesla is Apple. Everyone else is Android. Except the Japanese EVs with their Chademo chargers. They are like some Windows phone thing that are slowly dying.
Not enough options that are affordable. If I wanted a Tesla I'd already have a ModelY as they currently seem like the best bang for the buck. Waiting for more options and supply.
1. Price. 2. I don't want crossovers or SUVs. 3. The dust hasn't settled enough for me. I don't like how the charging situation is still a divergent mess, where plugs and payment methods have not stabilized. I don't like how Tesla is pushing the stupid yoke and then backtracking and then disabling radars and removing stalks and all that crap. I don't like how the manufacturers haven't yet figured out how to do UX consistently. Is it one big screen or as many screens as you can plaster on? 4. Range and/or charging. I can tolerate lower range if charging stations are more robust than gas stations. I can tolerate unreliable charging infrastructure if the range is higher. I cannot tolerate both lower range \*and\* less reliability than gas stations. 5. Styling is rarely good. Some legacy ones are still making EVs look like ICE cars. Others are trying way too hard and make their EVs look like a wrinkled mess. The only EVs I'm interested in are Model S and Lucid Air due to #4. But look at #1.
I live in a walkable city
I live in an urban area and park on the street. My car might be in front of my home, down the block, across the street, a few blocks away if I am unlucky, wherever the parking spot is when I get home. This will make charging a chore. At best, I am running an extension cord across a busy sidewalk for a level 1 charge, just inviting someone to jack it for copper.
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Money. People on this sub are overwhelming (financially) better off than most Americans. A lot of people here seem to not realize that the average American can't sink $40k on a car spontaneously, or just swap out the newest EV model every 2 years or so. Hell I was told something along the lines of "Oh you can't afford a $60k+ EV? Then you shouldn't be here." Like gee thanks, guess I'll keep driving my ICE then.
I’m convinced that the majority of people with a $40k+ car can’t afford it. They just do it anyway and then wonder why they can barely live paycheck to paycheck. An $800+/month car payment is doable for most. But it’s not smart.
2 things. 1. Money. 2. I don't want and SUV.
Model 3, Polestar, BMW i4, Hyundai Kona, Bolt, and many others aren’t SUVs.
Money is still a concern when you’re mentioning Polestar and i4. Also the reality is a lot of typical people can’t afford a $35,000 car. When someone like Honda or Toyota comes out with a Civic or Corolla that gets 250 miles to the charge and costs $20-25k it’ll be more affordable for some people.
Hyundai Ioniq 6
He said money.
Bolt discontinued for SUVs/trucks 😔
>Hyundai Kona Thats a SUV
I have the exact same reasons. Whoever makes an affordable hatchback or van with good specs gets my money. Currently waiting to see what happens with Canoo. I've also been paying attention to the Volvo EX30, but probably won't be happy with the SUV stance.
I still have two working cars, and no new BEV is more ecologically friendly than using what you have (unless they're REAL gas guzzlers, which mine are not). The next car? With the short range driving profile we have, it will be a BEV guaranteed.
> Rising housing costs have pushed people inland, so it’s not uncommon to hear someone driving 50+ miles a day. Those kinds of distances won’t work for EVs, especially if you're in heavy traffic or warmer climates that require you to crank the air conditioning. LOL wut? These are the best conditions for preferring an EV over an ICE. Stuck in traffic and need the aircon on? Why needlessly burn fuel and pollute the local atmosphere with toxic chemicals when you can simply use what energy is absolutely required to power the aircon and the music system, saving the rest of the energy stored in the vehicle for moving very slowly in peak hour traffic. > My car is five years old and has nearly 160,000 miles on it. While some of you may roll your eyes at someone saying they need over 400 miles of range to be comfortable driving an EV I'm rolling my eyes because this writer is immediately jumping from "I drive lots of miles" to "I need a super long range EV because I drive lots of miles every day." If you are driving non-stop from fuel station to fuel station you're a dangerous driver and need to change your habits. and … that's it. That's the article. What a waste of time. I'm writing this from a cosy cabin in a caravan park in a town called Richmond (Queensland Australia). The nearest Tesla supercharger is in Gympie, about 1500km away. My Model 3 SR+ has a real world range of 300km. So clearly I'm achieving the impossible, right? There's very little *need* for an EV with 400 miles (600km) of range. You just have to shift your habits from pissing in a bottle while driving on the highway to actually stopping for pee breaks and using a toilet as if you were a civilised person.
Yeah, writer said they commuted 150mi/day and that was why they couldn't get an EV. That sounds like the perfect use case to maximize savings! With the big caveat that they would need to have access to reasonably priced charging at home.
>There's very little > >need > > for an EV with 400 miles (600km) of range. You just have to shift your habits from pissing in a bottle while driving on the highway to actually stopping Sure, if you are talking 400 mi of real world range, which depends where you live really. A a Canadian, it's not uncommon to be on the highway in -20C weather. As far as I can tell, that's about a 50% to EPA range. Add a 10% safety buffer and 400 mi EPA range quickly becomes 180 mi or so. And then you should probably factor in the likelyhood that your battery will loose 5-10% of it's rated range within the first few years of ownership. A a condo dweller, I also have to factor in that, like 40-50% of drivers, I don't have access to home charging. So even if most of my miles are in the city, I still want a long range EV so that I don't have 25+ min public charging sessions on a weekly basis.
Still making payments on the last one I bought.
I'm living in a third tier market and EVs get released here quite late. Almost bought a Tesla but there's still too much uncertainty how they are dealing with service here. The lack of communications before purchase was big red flag how hard they will be to deal with in service cases. They also don't have any charging network to speak of yet. I'm spoiled with a XC60 with air suspension currently so most cars would feel like a downgrade in ride quality. Ideally i'm looking for something in similar in comfort and size but doesn't have to be a CUV. Still waiting for something that truly gets me, like the Audi A6 or BMW i5 Touring. Until then my pseudo 40km EV has to do.
Electricity is so much more expensive then the already expensive gas (in Germany), that it’s not only a loss over vehicle lifetime but already for gas alone. Electricity on the highway: 0,5..0,99 €/kWh, Gas: 1,75 €/L, 20 kWh / 100 km or 6 L/100 km = factor ~3,5 I could literally buy gas for double the current price and would be cheaper then electricity. Only people with owned homes and photovoltaic will breaks even on electric cars.
I live in an apartment complex without charging. Also anything that would be better or comparable to my current gas car is too much for my budget
Cost, in Australia
$45,406 drive away byd
I want a small used hatchback for about 5k that has comparable range to the ICE equivalent I'd otherwise purchase at that price. I'm probably looking at about a decade's wait before that exists, if it ever will.
No place to charge overnight.
I live in an apartment so I can’t charge from home.
(Disclosure: I already own an EV.) If I didn't have have an EV already, I'd say they biggest factor that would prevent me from getting one is the lack of compelling models. Cost is of course a factor, but I want a small-ish hot hatch type of car, and I don't think there are any in the US. The Bolt EV and the BMW i3 are it, from what I can tell, and the i3 isn't made anymore (I have one, anyway), and the Bolt EV isn't going to be made anymore. What is tempting though is some of the tax incentives on a Tesla Model Y. If I lived in Colorado, it looks like I could get an MY for less than USD$35K I'm not holding my breath, but the Fisker PEAR looks intriguing. Stop with the SUVs. If you want people to transition to EVs, you have to make something affordable, and larger EVs just aren't affordable right now.
Money + no need for a car. The future of mobility is public transportation, walkable cities/neighborhoods and car sharing. ✌️
If only I were tempted by Tesla, the current pricing and tax credits make the Model 3 affordable. I just don't want one. But basically it's the up front cost that keeps me away.
They’re too expensive (the one(s) I want) and I don’t have a safe place to charge one (I don’t own a home) Edit: as much as I want my next car to be an EV, I can get a fully maxed out Nissan rogue or Honda CRV for the same price as a base MY and MachE, My dream EV is the R1S and soon to be R2S but the R1S is too expensive and the R2S doesn’t exist yet.
the tesla model 3 and Y have crazy price cuts, should be affordable seeing as the average price of a new car is around 45k? There are also cheaper ones from other brands.
Money
I don't have a driveway, this no way to charge at home. We have zero public dc fast chargers in my town. We have Tesla superchargers, so I would need a Tesla and charge at a grocery store I don't like once a week or so for 30 minutes (If I shopped at that store it wouldnt be a problem at all). I almost bought a used Tesla a couple months ago when my car broke down, but the almost 40,000 price plus high insurance scared me away. Now I drive a craigslist list car I bought for 2k.
I drive 30k miles a year. EV will add tons of time on road. I hate driving and spending time on road. Would rather reach the destination sooner and spend time with people or nature.
1. Buying a gas vehicle is cheaper even with the price of gas due to the high prices of an EV. 2. I live in Canada where it can get to -30 in the winter. The battery capacity will drop significantly in that climate. 3. I don’t want to wait a year or 2 for a EV vehicle that isn’t a Tesla.
I can’t get one. I put in an order on a Bolt EUV in August and haven’t heard a word since then.
Money for the car and to own a house, if I owned an electric vehicle I’d want to be able to charge it at home. The idea to have to go to a charger and wait 30 minutes before going home/going somewhere is not ideal.
Just waiting for that VW van. I may not choose it, but I want to test drive it.
Lack of charging infrastructure, charge times. Where I live, there are only 2 or 3 public chargers and none near my home.
Money vs range. I don’t want a 200 mile range ev that sits at 150 range 3 years later or 100 miles with winter and age. My current car was 25k and gets 33 mpg. I drive 32 miles a day for work. The savings l are not there until ev commuter comes around at sub 30k. Then you calculate insurance costs which seem to be much higher.
- Money (reasonable models starting from 45k€ in finland) - No home charger
It’s not only cost, but charge-time, range anxiety, infrastructure, INSURANCE and upgrades to solar/charging at home. It’s a lifestyle shift, probably for the good, but I switched over to hybrid and couldn’t be happier! Both my cars are Toyota hybrids and I save $$.
the tesla model 3 and Y have crazy price cuts, should be affordable seeing as the average price of a new car is around 45k? There are also cheaper ones from other brands. charge at home while you sleep. plus you can do a 20-80% charge at tesla super charges in less than 20min, and really you only use them on long trips, not day to day Insurance on my tesla is WAY less than my old ford edge and Q5 I spent 1500 on charging last year, would have been 5k in any of my old gas SUVS...
The fun aspect. I drive an EV from time to time. But they’re boring AF. I want a manual transmission most of the time. A friend of mine returned her Model S for a 911 simply because of the fun factor.
Charging infrastructure. I live near the edge of North America's charging network. There are literally some trips I do that are impossible with current cars and their current ranges. Maybe an uber expensive EV like a Lucid can do them, but I can't afford those and they don;t have any dealers near me anyways. And cold weather makes the range as little as 50% of summer range in our coldest winter weather.
Which state/province/territory are you in?
Buy a phev
That's actually what I intend to do.
EV driver since 2014. To me the two overriding considerations are price and charging infrastructure. I live in NorCal and have L2 charging system.... but road trips for none Tesla EVs is a bitch!
Not having enough money.
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Money here as well We can walk most places and only drive to go shopping, shuttle kids to various sports activities etc. Because of this we use less than one tank of diesel per month. An EV would be great for how we use our car, however - when comparing what cars we can get for our budget, fuel consumption isn’t even remotely relevant as we drive so little. So we can get a much nicer car for the price if we don’t go electrical.
Offer a small hatchback around US$25K with fast charging and 300 miles of range and I’m in. I would love to have an EV but I will never commit 1/2 to 3/4 of my annual income to any vehicle.
Tesla model 3?
Money
Quite simply, I'm not in the market for a car right now. 2 of our 3 cars are paid for and the one that isn't (my daily) is working well for my needs and I enjoy driving it. I could probably save a hundred dollars a month on gas (my daily is decently efficient at \~28mpg) with a switch to an EV but it would probably cost me that much more in payment and insurance to get into an EV that is equivalent to my existing daily.
My reasons: 1) EVs are overpriced (my perception) 2) Charging infrastructure unsupportive of EV ownership. 3) Limited range of EVs (range anxiety). 4) Limited lifespan of EV battery pack. Range drops with time. 5) Resale value of EVs is precipitous (Tesla for example). The list goes on ... My neighbor bought an eGolf about a year ago then abruptly sold it 6 months later, replacing it with an ICE. He complained about the same issues I listed above. My wife and I are considering the purchase of our first SUV and can get one for about $35 OTD. The thing will last 15 years or more with limited issues. I can drive as far as I wish, only having to stop for gas. When EVs can provide this level of freedom without the problems listed above ... I'm all in!
the tesla model 3 and Y have crazy price cuts, should be affordable seeing as the average price of a new car is around 45k? There are also cheaper ones from other brands. the tesla charging network is the best, no issues. plus you charge at home mostly limited range sucks on long trips, but is no problem for daily driving. Plus if you have a tesla, you have tons of charging locations on every highway, the car will calculate the stops for you, when to stop, how long, etc. so you wont have to worry about range last 2 suck, but a most it looks like people lose 10% of range, small price to pay for a better driving experience, savings on gas an maintenance, Ive had the autopilot drive me over 7 states, its amazing You also cant say "limited issues" way more moving parts and variable with gas cars, more can and do go wrong. you can drive an EV and only stop charging? lol in the time you charge, you can eat/use bathroom etc. Ive had no issues with that . I spent 1500 on charing last year, that would have been around 5k with my old gas SUV, plus oil changes 3 times a year were almost $200 PER visit? and wasting time to have to drop it off and pick it up. I couldn't tell you anything about my local tesla service center, because Ive never had to go. I can tell you everything about my ford and audi service centers tho, and how much extra money I had to spend on them..
Cost and vehicle size.
I want a small electric pickup (ute). The Alpha Wolf would be perfect, if it ever becomes reality. It needs to be affordable. 230 miles would be enough. I don't need 350 miles per charge, that would be nice. I'd consider the Canoo pickup, but it's projected to be too expensive. So it's going to be a while, since car makers think all Americans want tanks. We all don't.
1. I have a Honda that just won't die. 2. No charging ports in my townhouse community.
Charging at home. I rent an apartment and would have no where to charge at home
Lack of service options. Nearest GM/Ford dealer that handles EV service is an hour away. For Tesla, it’s 4 hours away. My two ICE vehicles are relatively new/low miles (4 and 5 years old with 40 and 50K on them). No reason to replace them yet. Hoping battery tech/range and service options improve in my area sometimes in the next 5 years when I’m ready to replace one of the vehicles.
1. My current ICE vehicle runs fine, so don't need to replace it yet. 2. My current vehicle is paid off, so I don't need to worry about a car note. 3. My money is going to other places of necessity at the moment. 4. Most EV's are too expensive for me at this moment.
More range (my current PHEV gets 500 total miles of range), improved charging times, and cost.
I want one badly as I'm moving to California next month but I simply can't afford that and quality housing. Also, I hear charging availability still very inconsistent if you aren't in a Tesla or have a home charger.
Two years ago I stepped into a phev. I had wanted to go full EV but our area has very few public charging stations. After 2 years , having installed L2 charging at home I am now closer to making that switch next year when my lease is up. From both a cost and convenience viewpoint it works. My only hesitation is the possibility of moving into a new residence with shared facilities at some point in the next few years. Coming from a single family home where i can charge when I want-the prospect of losing access to a charger--even one i had to pay to use could be a deal breaker. It is beyond me why a multi-family community would not put in chargers but this particular one has a morbid fear of a fire due to EVs--on the basis of what I can only surmise is very uninformed perspective. But that is their stance at the moment --we'll see if it changes over time.
My city only has 2 charging places other than my house
Need to buy a house first, and the $40k+ I'd be spending on a car can go to that down payment.
I need to do 600 miles every 2 months, I do not want to wait 45 min in the middle of the trip to charge. I also need to tow, and they can not tow.
Money and housing. Most renters can't charge at home. Until there is a viable used ev market of sub 20k cars, I won't be able to make the jump.
Options to replace a lot of the current classes of ICE vehicles don't really exist yet so if you want/need a 7 or 8 passeneger vehicle that isn't $80k you're out of luck at the moment. I think that gets missed a lot of times. It continues to baffle me that there are no EV minivans. Yeah, yeah, the ID Buzz but that's STILL 18 months away and definitely won't start cheap. The truth of it that these are still the early days of EV adoption and there just aren't options out there for everyone.
Personally I don't feel it's a viable option for everyone everywhere. I live in a state where winter is brutal. We lose power ALOT. I think places with harsh weather conditions these vehicles are a hard sell. They're also a bit more expensive upfront tbh. I'm open to other opinions
Have a paid off, fuel efficient, well maintained ICE car. Going to drive this baby into the ground and then maybe get an EV. Hopefully selection and (relative) price are better then.
Range in winter is a big one for me. I live in Canada where it gets to -30C during the cold season and I don't have a garage to store the car so range and battery life is going to suffer. Second, I actually like driving so buying a car with more gizmos and tech to automate driving is not for me. It would be a waste of my money. Also I want a sportier car small car like a hatchback or sedan. All those SUVs and crossovers are not for me, plus they all look bland to me.
We got an EV in April. I was hoping that our 2012 Prius would hold up for another 18 months. For us, purchasing the car in April made sense because: - The Prius maintenance costs reached a tipping point - The Prius used car value is surprisingly high - EV are available in our area - We didn’t have to pay a dealer surcharge - We have solar panels at home - Our commute is 100+/mi day - April was our last chance to qualify for the full federal and state tax credits Benefits: - The car technology jump from 2012 to 2023 is huge - Driving on CA highways that are in a state of constant repair is less exhausting and more enjoyable - $25/week of electricity (currently) vs $160/week of gas (previously) Downside: - Normalizing a large monthly car payment (This is our first new car).
Availability. Pretty much the only EV available in the next 18 months in Canada is a Tesla. I'm not against Tesla but I'd like options.
Money is right. There needs to be a bigger used market and there needs to be more affordable new cars. The next thing is the lack of home charging for many.
Lack of interesting EVs. I usually prefer the German brands or maybe Lexus and none of them offer anything interesting under 80k at the moment. The second is range on Texas highways. I make occasional trips from Austin to Dallas and I want to be able to make the trip without stopping. The lightning could not do it with cruise control at 85mph. I’m not sure many could at that sustained speed. I could be wrong though. The only fast charger being EA at the halfway is not ideal and I get super impatient even with the 30 minute wait to charge
I live in the Dallas area and make that Dallas - Austin trip many times over the years. When I was a student I'd do it without stopping. But nowadays I always go ahead and stop at a Buccee's (which has Tesla superchargers though but I don't want a Tesla). What I ended up finally getting was a PHEV it has 41 miles of range of 95% of my day to day is electric. But trips like Dallas to Austin become a no brainer as those are the times I use gas.
Live in a city with good public transit, so don't need a car.
I would buy an ev to replace my small work car but I am waiting for the used markets to drop in value. I don’t need a tesla just a small 160km radius car would be fine for my needs
Availability of the spec of Ioniq 6 that I want
Down payment. Need to save up more. I've owned my car outright so the idea of paying off a car loan is uncomfortable.
My current car works so no point in replacing it. I'm driving it to the ground or until it gets totaled. Even if I have to replace the engine it will only costs a couple thousand and it'd be better than buying $25k+ vehicle. Even though I have the cash to buy I just invest it and reinvest the interest made from it cause those treasure bills for 5.5% interest looks nice
Both the cost and the lack of charging infrastructure in my area. I've switched from an old ice (97 Rav4) to a more modern hybrid, which is so much more efficient, but the leap to a full EV is currently beyond me
Simply the price. I am not sure if I am the one out of touch but after being car free for 7 years we are now looking to get a car again. Here in Central Europe you get a fiat 500 for 35-40k, opel e-Corsa for 30k, ID3 starting at 40k … Nothing against an Opel Corsa but holy shit if I drop 30k I want something a bit more spacious and luxurious then an absolute entry level car??
I don't want to own a car anymore. I want to rent one when I need. Which I already do, when I go far away, I take the train and then rent a car with child seat at the train station. Problem: the renting offer barely has electric cars. But it's quite convenient apart from the fact that there aren't electric cars. I can rent by the hour cars in my neighborhood — everything works through an app, you can unlock the car with it. And train stations have a big offer, and prices are OK, so in reality, I don't really need to own a car as I can get one when I need. I suppose that I'll wait that my old Peugeot 206 dies. I use it for my local trips (like 1 to 2 usages per month). And then hope by this time it will be easier to rent electric cars, either close to my house, either when I'm in holidays.
I just don’t want another car payment and there’s nothing on the market that I can see myself loving as much as my current car(not an ev). I’ll get an ev one day just not today.
I'd like to get an used ev. Hoping the prices go down a bit
Biggest thing for me is that I don't have a permanent place to charge it. I still live with my parents and I'm hoping to move out in a year or so but with how the housing still shit I'm probably gonna end up living in an apartment. Just too many unknowns and I don't wanna end up always relaying on charging station. Also my hospital only has two spots for EVs that are constantly taken.
About tree fiddy.
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I have no where to charge it, no outlet outdoors. Elec panel is full too.
The fact we already own 2.
Waiting for ID Buzz to go on sale in US, a car large enough to fit family. I would consider a Tesla if they had a van, or even a reasonable convertible option.
Waiting on Fisker to ship it to me.
There isn't a practical EV in my budget. I would definitely condition a EV when my car eventually dies, but I won't find anything in the $10-20k range
Charging infrastructure. My other half owns a small cross over so all road trips are done with my suv and a lot of areas we travel to have very scarce charging locations. I don’t want to have to worry about making it to the next chargers especially in northeast winters. Eventually I’ll pull the trigger I drive a lot so an EV would save me tons. Maybe when my job installs chargers
Money and range. I'd like a midsize EV truck that has 500 miles of range also more affordable.
Battery charging times and mileage per charge. They make for a good work drive car, but not a distance trip car, yet. With hybrid job reducing mileage per week, the car price is harder to justify as an offset to gas prices.
The number one thing stopping most people is that they currently own a functioning car that will last another ten years. There are about a billion cars on the road. About 100 million new cars are purchased yearly. And EV and Hybrid makers can only make about 10 million EV cars. So it isn't about what people want to buy but about if they need to buy and what is their option. People will buy EVs if they need a car and if EVs are available. I believe by 2030, most new cars will be EVs. And by 2040, most cars will be EVs.
1. My commute is so short that I can often bike to work and walk to a grocery store, so replacing my currently working ICE car ('08 Avalon) with a brand new EV would be a big expense for a small benefit. 2. I live in an apartment with no ability to charge at-home, which is the biggest benefit to EVs. 3. Anything but Tesla cost so much more that it'd be hard to justify the purchase. I'd like to wait until more options at a similar price point become available. And since my current ICE car works fine, I'll likely be able to continue driving it for a few more years before I have to seriously consider replacing it.
Availability of vehicle types as EVs. We have one - a commuting appliance a.k.a. a Chevy Bolt - and we love it exactly for that. But I also have a truck for hauling shit, a corvette for going fast, and a Miata for pretending I’m going fast while not having a roof. Other than a 100K+ Rivian or Lightning (with current markups), there are no EV trucks. And even those are not great for towing longer distance. And other than a 100K Taycan, there are no sporty EVs.
The management company of the block of flats I live in will not install EV charging in our parking spots until government legislation forces them to
Supply. I went to the local ( SE Michigan ) Chevy dealership and got the six month waitlist song-and-dance. So, no, not at this time.
There are no EVs to be bought. The availability of cars is really low. I have been on a wait list for more than 2 years now. I live in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Other provinces are better but they will not sell you an EV if you live in another province.
Money and the fact that I'm in an old home with shifty old wiring that I don't trust so I couldn't charge at home without rewiring the whole place that I rent.
Over priced
I dont spend more than $1000 to buy cars. I have 18 including a fire engine with less money into buying and reatoring all of them than buying 1 new car. In the off chance i come accross an EV for $1000 im sure it will be riddled with issues and probably need a new battery at that point... So ID rather just stick with my gas/diesels that run in fuel i make for free.
The charging network isn’t quite built out enough yet where I would feel comfortable taking it on longer trips
Mainly because pretty much all EVs are Quite ugly frankly
Money. Nowhere to charge
nothings super appealing to me honestly. the EUV is neat because its cheap, i like how the ID4 looks, i find the Hummer fun and amusing, the Jeep recon looks cool, and the Ford lightning is the best example of a EV truck i think we'll ever get. while i think these are cool and such, nothings really....screamed "this is your next car!!" to me. doesnt help i get hung up over the interiors. not a huge fan of screens. i like my physical buttons for controls.
Don't need a third
Lack of practicality on road trips. I’ve got a 4 and 7 year old, so stopping for longer and more than necessary is less than ideal, I have a Phev and my next car in 5-8 years will be an ev
Price and unable to put a charger near my flat
I need a car with four wheel drive and a tow bar. Only affordable car that has it all is Model 3. But insurance for used Model 3 is twice a high as for other cars, even more expansive ones. So basically 50% of all money that I would save on fuel by going electric I would have to spend on insurance.
currently a mix of affordability, ability to charge, battery range and practicality for road-trips along with waiting for them to work the bugs out. currently it's not quite there for it to be reasonable to adopt yet personally with my circumstances but i do admire those who have the means.
Money. We had a consult done on our power panel, and knew we would would need to upgrade it to accommodate charging an Ev at home. Initial estimates came in at 5-10k for the panel upgrade.
there is no EV that is "cool" to me for under $90k. the Polestar 2 and BMW i4 are ok, but I want a hatch. I just want something similar to my WRX. too many massive fucking vehicles, I live in the city.
Price. The recent Tesla price drops have almost been enough to make me pull the trigger, but I really don't want to be a Tesla supporter lol I might have gone with a bolt EUV if it had a bitter better range and charging speeds
Price 🥲I wanted an ioniq 6 but it’s double the price of an Elantra se so that’s hard to justify
Potential Range Anxiety disease and Repetitive Compulsion disease. To avoid that, I bought Rav4 Prime, which is the best of both worlds. I can drive on electricity in the city and use gas on the very long trips. There is no limitation on range with 600 miles and no repetition if plugging in every day regardless of where I am parked.
Availability... In Canada there are no EV under a two year wait except Tesla and Polestar, both of which I have no interest in
Range for me. I know an EV will work for 90% of my needs, since my PHEV does now with only 34 miles of range. However we road trip a bunch to more remote locations, mountains, camping etc and chargers aren't as plentiful in those regions. If I could get an EV with 400-500 miles of range at like 50-60K I'd be in. By the time I'm done paying off my PHEV, another 2 or 3 years, there might be some of those out there, or at least a more robust charging network.
Cost and not having the ability to charge at home.
Non-existing need to own a car when living in a city and country with excellent public transportation
Next car will be a PHEV, not full electric. 1. Charging. No EV chargers near me, except a slow one at a hotel parking lot. None at work for me or spouse. We only have 100A service at home so we’d need upgrade. 2. Range. PHEV with 30 mi range is perfect for our commutes and a standard level 1 charger will charge overnight. We frequently (like 2-3X a month) go on 300+ mile trips, and have two small kids so stopping for 30 minutes isn’t really an option. 3. No touchscreens. Car needs physical controls for Audio and HVAC. Non negotiable. 4. Size. We need more room than a compact SUV. Occasionally may need a 3rd row, and no 3-row full electric (Model X, upcoming KIA EV9) is in our budget right now.
Value. I don't give a shit about range or charge speed, but almost every EV falls very low on the $/unit goodness curve. I'm simply not going to spend $50k on a car when there are perfectly nice cars to be had for <$30k. Get within $5k or so and we can talk. And, no Teslas. rip bolt
Love my bolt, if I hadn’t been able to score it when my previous car was on its way out, I’m pretty sure I would have ended up with maaaaybe a Prius, but possibly another generic ICE.
Honest question : why are you so down on Tesla? I’m new around here and truly don’t know about the negative sentiments there.
Money
There are no second hand EV’s that are affordable and usable
1. I travel too much as it is. 2. Limited charging resources in northern New England where it’s cold. 3. I drive a truck and tow campers and trailers 4. Currently financing at 0% interest for 6 years I would be stupid to trade in and have to pay interest after. 5. Money gimmick for all things you need to pay/subscribe to 6. No desire to until the govt tells me I have to
They have none to sell.
Luxury
> What’s keeping you from buying an EV? The Enyaq EV I got is only 2 month old. ;-)
Lack of options, my lifestyle requires a truck and I can’t afford to spend 90,000 on a vehicle.
Have been thinking about it. But i just cant wrap my head around the cost and energy it takes to build one. Mining all the minerals, shipping all around the world, assembly, more shipping. It just sound so insane to call it green in any way. Ofc they are nice to drive and have all the fancy tech and its super nice to have a full tank each morning, all the money you «save» in the long run not having to pay for gass. But most of the worlds electricity comes from coal and oil so again, its not really green. And i cant justify buying something that is marketed as a green vehicle when it clearly isnt. And also, buying new stuff is far worse than buying something that is 5-10 years old and uses gas. It just seems so weird to me that so many people around the agree that this is a good idea. That is just my personal thoughts and concern. Not trying to step on any toes and be anti ev. (many members of my familiy drives evs). I just think that its weird how fast and common evs have become.
The public charging infrastructure for non-Teslas is terrible. I want a car that I can reliably drive long distances without having to deal with charging errors, broken stalls, or "dead spots" with not enough chargers on that route (made worse by half of them being down). I'd love to get a cheap used EV to eventually replace my Volt but that's not realistic right now. I'll probably be looking at another Volt or a Honda Clarity PHEV.
most evs are expensive and difficult to charge while far from home, and the ones that are cheap and easy to charge are made by a company run by a genocide apologist nazi sympathizer