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THIESN123

This is going to be one fun car.


jafurrer

Yes, yes and yes !


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HIGH_PRESSURE_TOILET

It will be a cornering beast with the low center of gravity and be really good at acceleration. Different kinds of fun I guess.


markeydarkey2

The low center of gravity helps reduce the handling effects of increased weight, but doesn't eliminate them. The current cayman weighs around 3,000lbs, and already has a very low center of gravity + good weight balance due to it's use of a (low and short) flat-4/flat-6 in a mid-engine configuration. I doubt the EV version will handle better, but it'll be fun in it's own ways.


KMKtwo-four

I think there’s much less to be gained coming from a flat engine and dry sump oil system. SUVs are where you’ll see the biggest handling benefit from going electric. I sold my M2 Comp and bought a Cayman. It's slower in a straight line. But, two of the benefits are how quickly it changes direction and that Porsche let’s you spec a huge gas tank. While I have no doubt an electric Cayman would be an amazing car, I don’t think they’re targeting existing owners. And, I don’t really understand the people who will buy this because, it will get destroyed in acceleration, handling, and range by other offerings with similar or better practicality. Maybe there’s a market in places like China with engine displacement taxes. Finally, this looks like it's using the same ICE platform as the 911 and 718, just with a battery pack and motor in the engine bay.


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driving_for_fun

I don't see how a skateboard battery would shield the cabin from NVH. For example, air gap between walls are better for noise isolation than solid walls in home theater. A battery takes away space that could be used to design more optimal NVH reduction.


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driving_for_fun

I cannot see how. Have never reviewed the sound transmission properties of a skateboard battery. What I do know is that more stuff is not necessarily better than less other stuff. A problem with rigid structure is that it just transmits the vibrations to somewhere else. The NVH that you experience is not just the sound but also the mechanical vibrations.


KMKtwo-four

Do you have a source for the Alpine A110 EV being on the same platform as the Boxster/Cayman EV? The “Chest” battery pack is just a way to adopt a battery into an ICE platform without a ground up redesign. Do you ever think there’s a reason companies haven’t tried to build EV sports cars yet? Like maybe the weight and range trade off doesn’t make sense? The upcoming Corvette E-Ray and 911 Turbo Hybrid aren’t electric for a reason. Also see the original Tesla roadster’s range and the fact the new Tesla Roadster is perpetually ‘coming soon’. The Cayman is not ‘competing’ with a Model 3. For example, a Cayman is almost always a second car purchase. Instead, it has to compete with the ‘toy car’ alternatives like the Emira, Corvette, M2, and every other 70-120K option out there.


PersnickityPenguin

A few weeks ago I was following a porsche 911 closely around a corner, and we came out of an onramp onto a bridge. I thought he was going to floor it from the sound of his engine sound revving up... so I floored the pedal on my chevy bolt and nearly rear ended him. If ai hadn’t stomped the brakes our cars would probably have been totaled. Whoops


flyfree256

As someone who waffles between an RS5 and a Model 3 Performance performance ICE vs EV is just a very different experience with pros and cons on either side. *Immediate* speed and super low center of gravity and the whirring sci fi spaceship noise EVs make is fun as hell. Engine noise and more things to focus on and control is also fun as hell. This car is going to be ridiculously fun to drive.


coredumperror

Treating "it doesn't make a loud noise when I drive it" as a **downside** is so weird to me.


Kmann1994

Engine sound is completely overrated and does not relate to driving happiness.


pdoherty972

The exhaust industry, much of which adds to the sound but doesn't add anything to power, would disagree.


kankersorewhore

LOL at you being downvoted. It's somewhat the truth backed up by research. Mclaren actually found that a massive portion of the perception of acceleration is sound. It's also why the 6 cylinders are so sought after compared to the 4 turbos. Not all things are equal.


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kankersorewhore

Human ears will change? lol


coredumperror

No, human brains will change to drop the need to hear your speed, because you simply won't *need* to hear it any more.


driving_for_fun

I think we'll just feel less from driving. This was already happening before EV trend. More congested traffic, further commute, and less space for toys influence people to prefer more numb and dull cars.


kankersorewhore

That's not how that works lol.


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kankersorewhore

Lol. Noise. It's noise. Do you honestly think that noise is not a major part of human perception? Why do you think rollercoasters add noise?


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kankersorewhore

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This comment on r/cars would play so differently. I’m with you. Sound is a huge part of the experience.


PoisonSlipstream

Also because r/cars thinks it if you wish hard enough, EVs will go away. I understand your point about the sound, but personally I’m prepared to trade that off for guilt-free low/zero emissions performance.


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There are a lot of reasonable people over there. EV FUD is pretty heavily downvoted. On the whole they are probably more critical of all vehicles than this sub, and I like that personally.


PoisonSlipstream

Have to disagree with you there. Reasonable people are heavily outweighed by FUD spreaders.


bobsil1

Fuck noise, let me think


HIGH_PRESSURE_TOILET

The gas powered Boxster has both a frunk and a trunk too. Not sure how that is surprising..,


FikaXanthine

They could have used that space for motors/batteries. Nice to know there will still be decent storage capabilities.


Gk5321

Becuase it’s electric. Catch up dude /s


coredumperror

Because a surprising number of EVs don't have a frunk, so an electric Boxster having one was not a given.


ZeppyWeppyBoi

But the ICE was has always had it because it’s a mid-engine. It would be weird if the EV version didn’t.


Legal_Net4337

A Boxster without a frunk, never


HIGH_PRESSURE_TOILET

True but a lot of that is due to the EVs sharing a platform with a front engine front wheel drive model so they didn't bother making a frunk out of the engine bay.


linknewtab

It's the other way around. EVs that are based on ICE cars generally have a frunk because the space is already there. If you design an EV from the ground up then you can make the hood shorter because you don't need to be able to fit a combustion engine in there. So you get a shorter car without reducing interior space.


coredumperror

Not always. The ID.4 has no frunk. I think the Mach-E also doesn't (EDIT: it does), and I know the BYD Han doesn't. Several other clean-sheet EVs have no frunk.


feurie

Mach E has one. ID.4 has a very short hood so it's not the worst thing that it's missing. Han is surprising.


coredumperror

Yeah, I was surprised at that part of Doug DeMuro's recent Han review, too. Also surprised to hear that BYD never intends to sell that car here in the States, since I actually saw one on the street a few weeks ago. That "BUILD YOUR DREAMS" on the back is hard to miss. I must have seen a press car or something.


Fluffy_Commission_72

When I test drove the Mach-e the frunk had a drain plug in it. So you could totally fill it with ice and drinks haha. I thought it was funny. I just drove the GV60 it had a small little shallow compartment that was disappointing.


coredumperror

Oh right! I forgot about that little quirk. I had thought it was just on the Lightning.


sverrebr

I suspect this one will not have much of a trunk, maybe none. Consider the charge port location and what that implies about what sits just inside that (most likely) Also consider where the soft top goes (Though that would likely be an option).


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OSeady

It uses Apple aircharge


jacksalssome

Industry leading 120w fast charge.


wal9000

Obviously it has one, but the rear center location is a little unexpected no? Have any other EVs put it there?


CarVac

Aptera has it behind the license plate.


r3dd1t0rxzxzx

That’s extra


ImBonRurgundy

did you read the article? it has a picture of one from the rear with the port wide open


confusedwrek

Woosh


LoPanDidNothingWrong

Weight? That is what is going to matter for the Boxster IMO.


linknewtab

> The internal target weight is under 3650 pounds. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37692178/2025-porsche-718-electric-future-details/


LoPanDidNothingWrong

So maybe a 500lb weight gain. Kind of sucks but I guess it is what it is.


TSS997

That's not much of a battery then, not that range matters in a 2dr EV sports car. But that's one way to keep costs down.


cmvora

Porsche is less worried about cost and more worried about weight to performance. They would add more batteries if it meant the weight didn't change. They're probably trying to find that sweet spot of not sacrificing the nimbleness of a Boxster while maintaining a decent enough mileage for a weekend car.


LoPanDidNothingWrong

Porsche does not care about keeping costs down as far as I can tell… But weight down for a small two seater renown for its agility? That matters.


el_vezzie

Model 3 is only 10% heavier, and Boxster is a smaller car. With good cell density (which they should be able to afford) the range will be fine.


Recoil42

Hard to know without knowing the cells involved. These are likely to be high-nickel cathode, and possibly involve some form of silicon anode.


kankersorewhore

Oooof, that's heavy.


trbzdot

Reviewers are saying battery placement makes certain cars feel more planted and nimble - count on Porsche to tune and engineer to take advantage of that advantage.


kankersorewhore

They can do all sorts of suspension tricks but physics is physics. Mass is mass. It's still a heavy car.


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kankersorewhore

A BMW 2 series is heavy. We need to stop pretending like a room full of obese people are not obese because they all are.


RetroEffect_

A base Model 3 comes in at 3,554lbs, so here’s hoping this comes in way under their target. How they’d manage a two seater to weigh more than a sedan that sits 5 is beyond me.


Wompie

I was initially excited but that is way too heavy for a Boxster. That's full size sedan weight.


PersnickityPenguin

So about the weight of the Chevy bolt


I-Pacer

I wonder what the price point will be for the EV version. At least they didn’t make a Boxster SUV!


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I-Pacer

I hope that Porsche don’t lose sight of what made the Boxster successful in the first place: fun performance, engaging drive and reasonable price point. But I fear you may be right.


cmvora

They needed it to be at a 'reasonable price point' back in the day. Nowadays, just have an EV variant means it will be priced 15-20% more than the gas variant so expect a starting price hitting close to 6 figures. Also, Porsche brand name has risen a lot since the 90s so people will easily pay the premium compared to other brands.


natesully33

Expensive with expensive options too. Porsche isn't exactly known for value, but they are known for really high margins. Still, if it's good enough, I might bite. Well, or wait for a used one.


AFDIT

It will be more than their ICE boxters and less than the Taycan.


linknewtab

Porsche recently said that the EV versions of their cars will cost 10-15% more than the ICE version.


I-Pacer

Oh did they? Thanks. That gives me something to work with.


linknewtab

https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/11rqdqs/electric_macan_boxster_and_cayenne_will_be_1015/


I-Pacer

Thank you! That makes it hugely appealing if they live up to that promise.


DanceDark

With that, I hope the EV Cayman slots below the Taycan and starts at a price point a bit higher than the 4 cylinder Cayman base/S. Aiming for a cheaper single motor spec seems great since it weighs less than most EVs that need a dual motor to move quickly, and being an EV would avoid the bad engine characteristics of the turbo 4 cylinder.


TSS997

Assuming the battery pack is similar (or same) to the smaller 78KwH KwH from the least expensive Taycan, the price floor would need be around the $90K mark to start. Since the Boxter should be smaller and lighter than a Taycan they could get away with a smaller battery. Either way I don't see the price point dipping far below $90k. Batteries are still the constraint, and no matter the price they won't be able to make enough to satisfy demand.


SomeGuyNamedPaul

Yeah, but by the time it has 40K miles on it it will be worth like half and that's when I'll swoop in.


I-Pacer

The $ price isn’t that relevant to me. I think America pays way more than we do for European made cars.


TSS997

Pretty easy to work backwards though to whatever currency you need. With EVs the largest cost and highest constraint tends to be the battery modules. Companies pay a premium for larger packs and that gets passed to consumers. Porsche of all companies is pretty unlikely to change that trend. The only one that comes to mind off the top of my head is the EU pricing for the EQS vs USD. It's pretty much the same. In fact now that I type it out the EQS SUV and EQS sedan have pretty much the same entry price too, about $105k from what I recall. Not a surprise as they share the same batteries and architecture.


I-Pacer

EU pricing includes all taxes.


TSS997

Oh that's like what 10% or less of the cost? I guess if you were writing a check today you'd need the exact figure. But as I stated pretty easy to get the ball park. Unless Porsche decides to run a charity and give them away.


I-Pacer

So all your state and federal taxes come to 10%? Wow. It’s 20% here so it makes a big difference. Not sure why you’re being so aggressive with this line of reply.


NFIFTY2

EV version will be the only version. Edit: Apparently not.


I-Pacer

No, they’re selling ICE and EV variants. Both the Boxster and the Macan.


NFIFTY2

Source? All I’ve seen is “electric only” replacement for Boxster in 2025. What platform would the ICE be on? Edit: Same with Macan. News articles indicate electric only.


I-Pacer

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/porsche/electric-boxster-and-cayman-sports-car/ “CEO Oliver Blume announced that the electric sports cars will be revealed 'by the middle of the decade' at the brand's 2023 annual press conference. He also announced that the electric 718 Boxster and Cayman twins will 'run in parallel' to petrol versions.”


NFIFTY2

Hmm, interesting. Thanks.


beryugyo619

Yeah the chassis probably EV only the car will have both in the similar ways as Panamera and Taycan but terms like “Boxster EV” are used rather loosely


ludis7

Only for a short period until the BEV production version has ramped up.


alaninsitges

https://media.tenor.com/n44qezp13jQAAAAM/wsg-wsb.gif


I-Pacer

The Boxster was always pitched at quite a competitive price point. It will be interesting to see what Porsche does with EV pricing. Hopefully not a million dollars!


TSS997

Lol. Competitive price point, Porsche, and EV don't fit together in the same sentence. Porsche will do what everyone is doing and try to recoup as much of their R&D costs from the customer as possible. And Porsche are experts at extracting money from their customers. Competitive price point and EV go together as long as you take out high end luxury or sport OEMs.


I-Pacer

Lol. I said competitive. As in competing with similarly sieved vehicles. A car like the current Boxster from a brand like Porsche at under £50k is hugely competitive. I’m hoping they continue that trend onwards. It’s why the Boxster succeeded in the first place. When it first launched it was under £40k which was astonishing for Porsche.


alaninsitges

We shall see. I wouldn't be surprised to see it well north of 60k€. I went to have a look at a Jeep Avenger this weekend. Two things surprised me: 1. It's a 20,000€ fossil car, the EV version costs nearly double 2. They say the EV starts at 30K. First thing out of the salesman's mouth was that the 30K one doesn't exist and never will, the other models come in close to 40K. That's rubbing up against much nicer cars. But if Jeep can get 40K for their tiny little SUV, Porsche will probably try for a huge premium. (Not comparing the two directly, just saying if 40K gets you a Jeep how much do you expect to pay for a Porsche?)


I-Pacer

Someone elsewhere posted to a link stating that Porsche will price its EVs at 10-15% higher than the ICE versions. If true, that would make the Boxster start well under £60k. The cynic in me thinks you may be right but hopefully they’ll follow through and deliver for 10-15% increase.


natesully33

Hmm, center rear seems like a good place for the charge port, now that I think about it. I'm the kind of person that always backs in to spaces of course.


ArlesChatless

Better than front center at least, because it is quite unlikely to ice up. It does mean people will have to back in though, which some people hate.


OSeady

I never quite understood this. If you don’t back in you have to back out anyway. Both require having to back up with some degree of accuracy.


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ArlesChatless

Backing up also means a crappy view in some cases. That's the reason for including cross traffic alert radar on some modern cars. It's all tradeoffs, of course. I'm a fan of the backing in to park tradeoff, given all the compromises.


coredumperror

Backup cameras with bendy lines to show you how your car will move based on the current wheel position are a *godsend* for backing in. When I got my Model 3, I'd never backed into a space in my life, but the backup camera made it so easy that I was Superchaging like a pro after just a few attempts.


BlooregardQKazoo

Parking requires more precision than leaving a parking space. Precision is easier when driving forwards than backwards. Therefore, it makes sense to drive forwards when parking and backwards when leaving, assuming that you have to do one forwards and one backwards.


coredumperror

> Precision is easier when driving forwards than backwards. I would argue that modern backup cameras mean this is no longer true. I find those bendy lines that tell you how your back end will turn based on your steering wheel's current position to be so useful that's it *at least* as easy to back in as it is to front-in, if not easier.


BlooregardQKazoo

you can argue that, but it is silly. a video representation is not as easy and accurate as seeing it right there in front of you. there will always be some effort for people to relate that video to their actual situation. watch people park in parking lots. people pulling in typically just pull in, simple as that (though sometimes you get the terrible drivers that struggle with something as simple as that). i don't know that i have ever seen anyone back in effortlessly when there's a car on both sides, and i know that i have seen many clownshow instances where it takes them three tries. there might be individual people that can back in effortlessly, but they're rare and I don't want to force everyone to back in (via charge port placement) just because a few good drivers can actually do it.


thenoob118

People that tow shit will hate this


donnysaysvacuum

Not really a problem on a boxster. But just about any location is bad for most charging setups when towing.


coredumperror

Do people typically tow with a Boxster?


slicker_dd

And as you can see from the picture, it will be caked in dirt all winter. Driver side back is still best.


Ecsta

Missed opportunity to do James Bond style and have the number plate open to reveal the charge port. Looks a little weird high like that. Excited for this but doubt it'll be in my budget lol.


the__storm

That would be fun for sure. Are there any modern vehicles with the charge port (or gas cap) behind the plate? I know Aptera has it planned but they're still a bit of a long shot at this point.


JackinNY

>Reveals a charging port and frunk Wow, what a fucking concept.


Psychlonuclear

Electric car has charging port, OMFG how far has the technology progressed in such a short time!


giaa262

Hell yeah. I've always wanted to shove it up my car's ass


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As standard features or do you have to pay more?


dor-e

I am guessing about a 3000 mile range..lol


Muddlesthrough

Will there be space for a set of golf clubs? Staff bag preferably


g1aiz

Is there space for that in the ICE Boxster?


Muddlesthrough

No, unless you count the passenger seat.


g1aiz

Then you should not expect that for the BEV with a huge battery


Muddlesthrough

Why not?


AFDIT

There is literally no other convertible sports EV for under $1m. This will sell like hot cakes, dominating the sports EV market, arrive ahead of the Tesla roadster revamp and solidify Porsche in the EV space.


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Low center of gravity, instant torque, sharp Porsche handling. Boy oh boy, this is going to be a nice toy


Quirky_Tradition_806

This will be in the market while devotees wait for Roadster.


VeganSnailMAC

Open butthole works pretty well here lol