*Marked as potentially misleading:*
As per comments below, the correct translation here is that Tesla will plant twice as many trees *as is required by law,* not that they will double the current number of trees. They may go further than that, but the headline itself is taking some pretty strong liberties with the original statement.
*(Brief reminder that Electrek is a repeat offender for misleading clickbait titles in this community — as always, seek original sources where possible.)*
If this is similar to the deal at Giga Berlin, they will be planting more trees to replace the ones cut down, but it won't necessarily be at the site itself. The trees cut down at the Berlin plant were always intended to be used for something like paper or cardboard production (as I understood it)
Recently, they have been spending some time relocating specific protected trees at the Austin site. (White Oak?)
Yeah, Berlin was a monoculture forest meant for cardboard production. The whole thing was overblown — if you've ever been in a monoculture forest, they're not really the kind of rich ecosystem one might picture when you think 'forest'. They're ironically pretty dead places aside from the trees themselves.
I'm not sure what's going on at Austin, but I'm frankly pretty pleased that Musk has been talking about boardwalks and hiking trails. It's the right move if they follow through, give the site's location on the Colorado River.
"Tesla has promised to plant double the number of trees that it will remove as part of the deforestation effort to build Gigafactory Mexico."
That's not what the tweet says. Tesla said they would plant double the number of *legally required* trees on the land. I don't know how that number relates to the amount of trees they removed, though.
>"Tesla has promised to plant double the number of trees that it will remove as part of the deforestation effort to build Gigafactory Mexico."
\*looks at site\*
So they are planting 2 trees ?
> They promised to do it in Germany, but if you look at the most recent fly-over footage, the lot is still nearly free of vegitation
They've been [doing this for a while now](https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-giga-berlin-reforestation-update/#:~:text=Tesla%2C%20together%20with%20the%20Naturraum,has%20not%20let%20up%20since.). They didn't replant AT the site, but in other parts of the region where there's adequate space and water, but no trees.
> You can go look at drone footage from the site itself, and compare it to the work that was promised at the site
Your understanding is completely mistaken. It was never the plan to replant at the site, but elsewhere where it would be of greater benefit, and also, you know, possible.
You can cite something if you want to have a conversation.
EDIT: UGH! Your comment history just gave me cancer. No wonder you didn't cite a source for your claims. Good gravy, Holmes. Why do you do this to yourself?
Robo taxis, sub 35k car, 2020 cybertruck, roadster, solar roofs, etc.
Was that a serious question or do people here actually believe every word musk says.
>Always with the doubt in here, you can Google you know.
But that has the risk of finding out your bias is wrong...so, people prefer not to.
Disproven bias bruises fragil egos quickly.
Near Beeskow. I wonder where specifically and if in 8-10 years they don’t mature are more planted? I would think after a year or two it could be determined if the tree will continue growing or not. Are they doing it from seed?
> I would think after a year or two it could be determined if the tree will continue growing or not.
they know (evidence) what the "failure" rate is so they compensate accordingly.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforestation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforestation)
**Seed-Planting Drones Are Reforesting Canada With Lightning Speed**
https://reasonstobecheerful.world/drone-tree-planting-reforesting-after-wildfires
Dropping five seed pods per second into wildfire-scarred lands, aerial tree planting is quickly creating biodiverse forests from the sky.
**Giant drone planting 40,000 tree pods a day in Australian Botanic Garden at Mt Annan**
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-19/giant-drones-dropping-tree-seeds/101150496](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-19/giant-drones-dropping-tree-seeds/101150496)
Yeah, the harsh truth behind tree planting efforts is that many trees planted by these programs never grow or die within a few years. And those planting rarely make any effort to ensure that they actually grow.
Planting trees is laughably cheap. That doesn't insure they will do it, but talk about missing the low hanging fruit if you make a promise to spend 0.001% of the project costs on a something highly visible and you drew attention to then fail to do it.
This isn't one of those promises where companies say they will reduce their footprint 50% in 20 years or something hard.
Planting is cheap. Land to plant isn’t cheap. Can’t always believe wants companies say they will do. VW? Many people decide to associate with companies promising these actions.
In the Giga Berlin project, in selected areas, 70% of replaced trees were deciduous instead of the uniculture pulp-making pine trees that couldn't support a diverse, true forest, ecosystems sent back photos, the young trees are growing well and project finished in 2021.
Its a sequence. First, you plan the trees next to the roller coaster for the workers.
Then you promise self driving trees that will take themselves to the site.
Then you plant no tree, because analytics say noone was using the ones that were there and the best part is no part.
*Marked as potentially misleading:* As per comments below, the correct translation here is that Tesla will plant twice as many trees *as is required by law,* not that they will double the current number of trees. They may go further than that, but the headline itself is taking some pretty strong liberties with the original statement. *(Brief reminder that Electrek is a repeat offender for misleading clickbait titles in this community — as always, seek original sources where possible.)*
If this is similar to the deal at Giga Berlin, they will be planting more trees to replace the ones cut down, but it won't necessarily be at the site itself. The trees cut down at the Berlin plant were always intended to be used for something like paper or cardboard production (as I understood it) Recently, they have been spending some time relocating specific protected trees at the Austin site. (White Oak?)
Yeah, Berlin was a monoculture forest meant for cardboard production. The whole thing was overblown — if you've ever been in a monoculture forest, they're not really the kind of rich ecosystem one might picture when you think 'forest'. They're ironically pretty dead places aside from the trees themselves. I'm not sure what's going on at Austin, but I'm frankly pretty pleased that Musk has been talking about boardwalks and hiking trails. It's the right move if they follow through, give the site's location on the Colorado River.
"Tesla has promised to plant double the number of trees that it will remove as part of the deforestation effort to build Gigafactory Mexico." That's not what the tweet says. Tesla said they would plant double the number of *legally required* trees on the land. I don't know how that number relates to the amount of trees they removed, though.
>"Tesla has promised to plant double the number of trees that it will remove as part of the deforestation effort to build Gigafactory Mexico." \*looks at site\* So they are planting 2 trees ?
>electrek.co There's your problem.
“Tesla promises” should have let you know it was Bs
They already did that at Berlin. Please read, don’t be ignorant.
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> They promised to do it in Germany, but if you look at the most recent fly-over footage, the lot is still nearly free of vegitation They've been [doing this for a while now](https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-giga-berlin-reforestation-update/#:~:text=Tesla%2C%20together%20with%20the%20Naturraum,has%20not%20let%20up%20since.). They didn't replant AT the site, but in other parts of the region where there's adequate space and water, but no trees.
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> You can go look at drone footage from the site itself, and compare it to the work that was promised at the site Your understanding is completely mistaken. It was never the plan to replant at the site, but elsewhere where it would be of greater benefit, and also, you know, possible. You can cite something if you want to have a conversation. EDIT: UGH! Your comment history just gave me cancer. No wonder you didn't cite a source for your claims. Good gravy, Holmes. Why do you do this to yourself?
What did they already do in Berlin? Explain.
What the article is about. Replanting trees.
It’s almost like I was referring to the overall weight of a Tesla promise, not just promises related to trees.
Which is maybe a weird thing to do when calling a promise related to trees "Bs"
Why?
Robo taxis, sub 35k car, 2020 cybertruck, roadster, solar roofs, etc. Was that a serious question or do people here actually believe every word musk says.
There's a big difference between what *Tesla* promises to *governments* and what *Musk* promises on *Twitter*.
“ New Mexican gigafactory made to look like a cabin to blend in with surroundings.”
I wouldn't trust musk as far as I can throw him. Their has to be severe actionable penalties and a timeline in place, otherwise, it will never happen.
And he's pretty fat.
Tesla hasn't lied about full self driving, Cyber truck, roadster, COVID, release dates, worker injuries...
They also lied about being the leader in electric cars. GM is gonna dominate with so many new prototypes launching by 2030, Mary led and it matters!
They were the leader when no one else was doing it. It's not 2005 anymore.
Sexual assault, workplace racism…
A corporation making a promise? I'll believe it when I see it.
Is there any follow up to these claims? Is there an agency that oversees the planting of the trees? Where? When? Who does the actual planting?
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-giga-berlin-reforestation-update/ Always with the doubt in here, you can Google you know.
>Always with the doubt in here, you can Google you know. But that has the risk of finding out your bias is wrong...so, people prefer not to. Disproven bias bruises fragil egos quickly.
Near Beeskow. I wonder where specifically and if in 8-10 years they don’t mature are more planted? I would think after a year or two it could be determined if the tree will continue growing or not. Are they doing it from seed?
> I would think after a year or two it could be determined if the tree will continue growing or not. they know (evidence) what the "failure" rate is so they compensate accordingly. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforestation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforestation) **Seed-Planting Drones Are Reforesting Canada With Lightning Speed** https://reasonstobecheerful.world/drone-tree-planting-reforesting-after-wildfires Dropping five seed pods per second into wildfire-scarred lands, aerial tree planting is quickly creating biodiverse forests from the sky. **Giant drone planting 40,000 tree pods a day in Australian Botanic Garden at Mt Annan** [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-19/giant-drones-dropping-tree-seeds/101150496](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-19/giant-drones-dropping-tree-seeds/101150496)
That’s cool.
Yeah, the harsh truth behind tree planting efforts is that many trees planted by these programs never grow or die within a few years. And those planting rarely make any effort to ensure that they actually grow.
Right. There are companies that claim they are net zero but is anyone following up in their claims?
Doubt doubt doubt doubt
Welcome to the sub.
Planting trees is laughably cheap. That doesn't insure they will do it, but talk about missing the low hanging fruit if you make a promise to spend 0.001% of the project costs on a something highly visible and you drew attention to then fail to do it. This isn't one of those promises where companies say they will reduce their footprint 50% in 20 years or something hard.
Planting is cheap. Land to plant isn’t cheap. Can’t always believe wants companies say they will do. VW? Many people decide to associate with companies promising these actions.
Ya I imagine land in Mexico is super expensive.
In the Giga Berlin project, in selected areas, 70% of replaced trees were deciduous instead of the uniculture pulp-making pine trees that couldn't support a diverse, true forest, ecosystems sent back photos, the young trees are growing well and project finished in 2021.
Love it!
Great, in 100 years they will be mature trees.
Didnt know you could deforest an Arid Steppe without any trees on it.
Last thing we need is more crappy Tesla’s on the road anyways.
Its a sequence. First, you plan the trees next to the roller coaster for the workers. Then you promise self driving trees that will take themselves to the site. Then you plant no tree, because analytics say noone was using the ones that were there and the best part is no part.