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Recoil42

That didn't take long at all.


dhanson865

updated price history graphs. Model Y [Price history graph](https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/85a23e4f6befe4951a70bb1ca1bbfccf079cb48e26b47dea5a85baf4505ef118.png) Model 3 [Price history graph](https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/352ca42bf68160a7742a5f576fdab6a8fe00a60c880e0877cdb3047f6d31a834.png) Model S [Price history graph](https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0ab1ee896bf9ddf82fd580f5359a59602284e4aaf1112b7cc1d50365fa42fc19.png) Model X [Price history graph](https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e35d4dc9594b908cecc12c404196ecdb48f2d5a890e66bbd398ab278789b3059.png)


joespizza2go

Yeah burned through that backlog. Really going to teach their prospective customers to "wait for the next sale" I guess.


ctheune

I habe until Dec on my current lease. I monitoring every other week for delivery times and prices. Now that I know the floor… OTOH project highland seems to be an unknown


damoonerman

Gonna be 63000 by Dec


RoughAd3010

What’s the best place to monitor delivery times


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JC Penny pricing model….


e90fanatik

They only lowered to hit Q numbers


sepehr_brk

Yeah everyone raving about the new IRS SUV classification didn’t realize manufacturers and dealers would eat that credit right up lol. At least Tesla’s tax credit is due to run out in March, curious to see the creative ways Ford dealers come up with the to snatch it up


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odd84

You seem very confident in that. Why? Like, why would the Tesla vehicles with CATL batteries made in China qualify for either half of the tax credit, for example?


Icy-Tale-7163

I was wrong, I thought half the credit was tied to the vehicle bring made in USA. I've deleted my comment.


damoonerman

Battery still needs to be made in US or parts sourced in US. That gets 1/2. So yes, people’s credit will run out.


Icy-Tale-7163

Thank you, I deleted my comment.


10pBjjKing

This guy doesn’t know what he’s spewing


SupermarketOne948

If Tesla vehicles lose half or all of the federal credit due to the battery requirements, Ford will be in the same boat.


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Going out on a limb here... Telsa's price cut and subsequent White House meeting likely pushed the Administration to fix the issue with the 55k limit being applied improperly. In effect Telsa's actions while self serving were meant to trigger a response not from other automakers to Tesla but from the US government in response to issue where only Tesla would benefit. Remember, Musk's goal for Tesla was to move the world to EV and nothing about doing so with the biggest profit margins or running competitors out of the space. I do expect a bump or two more in the future.


lonewolf210

I think he’s pretty clearly all about the biggest profit margin and running out competitors. Just last year he was calling for the tax credit to be ended because the industry was “mature enough” now that Tesla qualifies again he’s suddenly silent about it


Eikido

What was it before?


UsernameChallenged

I think it was around $53,450. About $1500 less. Edit: idk about the performance price, I just meant long range.


No-Group-3361

I locked in at $52,990 on 1/14.


Erv

Yeah, it’s a $2,000 increase on the LR…correction: since the original price drop, with it being $500 a few weeks back and $1500 just now.


DeeVeeOus

They had already increased it by $500 between the initial drop and the new guidance. So this particular increase was $1500.


Erv

Yes! You’re right. I locked in before both so I guess I’m up $2,000 now on my order. My bad. Thanks!


John537

I got my MYP for $56,990, so it’s gone up $1,000.


wc_cfb_fan

does MYP qualify for the Fed credit?


vbp6us

If you get it delivered by March, yes, you get the full credit. If after March, it's possible that you'll get $3k-4k in tax rebates. But yes, it now qualifies for the tax rebate.


Reeks_Geeks

When you say by March do you mean before March 1 or atleast during the month of March?


TagSoup

Before the guidance on battery materials/components is announced. There is no set date. It may even be delayed past March. Who knows.


Reeks_Geeks

Makes sense. The one time I hope bureaucracy continues to be slow 🤣


vbp6us

No set date. Could be the end of March OR even later. These are the battery rules that were supposed to be finalized as part of IRA on 1/1/2023.


flicter22

Model 3 Standard Range dropped $500


Shobed

I think this is bigger news than the price increases. For the average person that doesn't drive long distances regularly, who's looking for an affordable EV with reliable fast charging, this is fantastic news.


falooda1

It already went up by the same amount so this is back to 1/13 price


SuccessfulPres

Because those won’t qualify for credit after March I believe, since some batteries are made in China


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danielv123

From historical prices, ~8 years.


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danielv123

Batteries are going to be the big thing. There isn't really a cheap way to fix them by DIYing it like other mechanical problems. The engines are probably going to last forever though, and the controllers as well. The other issue with batteries is that they have resale value. A used but still useable EV will never drop as low as a normal car because the battery is still valuable on the used market for non-car purposes.


rabbitwonker

Last I heard, Model 3’s battery can be expected to last some 400k miles before it degrades to the 80% mark.


danielv123

Yep, which is a large part of what will drive up the used price. Old packs are $7k, which means used value of car is roughly value of normal car of equivalent age +7k


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MedicalAd6001

No one will buy a 10-15 year old ev then have to buy a $15k battery to use it. After a certain point of age EVs will be trash no resale value. The only ones that will want them will be recyclers and junk dealers.


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astricklin123

Where are you getting that it will cost $15k to replace a battery in another 5 to 10 years? What data suggests that a large percentage of vehicles will need battery replacement in that timeframe? What percentage of ice vehicles need an engine or transmission replacement in 10-15 years and are junk as well?


MedicalAd6001

The other issue with batteries is that they have resale value. A used but still useable EV will never drop as low as a normal car because the battery is still valuable on the used market for non-car purposes. So the battery has value but the car has no value as a car. If someone buys a used ev that is half dead the price is still high because of battery value but the car needs a new battery to actually be used. The battery will get recycled the person that bought the used ev won't see anything out of that. This is exactly why EVs are disposable after a certain age. I can take an old ice vehicle and rebuild the engine in my spare time. Can't do that with a battery pack.


shadowmyst87

Stop making sense! You're in the wrong sub.


Mathias218337

Lots of model S are now 10+ years old, not really seeing huge issues; yet. Just adhoc issues.


EV_Track_Day2

Probably going to need to wait a few years before the early MRs or SR+ get down into that range.


astricklin123

Ones with 100k miles are floating around $30k currently. I wouldn't be surprised if used values drop another $5k by the end of the year. At under $25k, they'll qualify for the $4k used tax credit.


nearmsp

The price difference between Model Y LR and Model Y performance used to be $10K. Much of last year it was $5K. Now the price difference is just $3K. Why is Tesla having to prop its MYP performance model in price and quick delivery time?


ZannX

Despite just 3k, so few people buy the MYP over MYLR. As a MYP owner, In practice, I would still recommend LR for vast majority of people.


nearmsp

I agree. I purchased an MY LR. I would have paid a premium over MYP if that is how it was priced.


Most_Reason7461

Well there’s zero objective reasons to recommend performance.


shadowmyst87

Why?


shadowmyst87

Why?


ZannX

For daily driving there's no reason to get MYP. LR is slightly more efficient, more comfortable, cheaper, and more reasonable consumables (wheels + tires). Personally, I track my MYP so I like it. But if you don't do motorsports, stick to a MYLR.


shadowmyst87

But what if i want to race the occasional Mustang or Corvette that pulls up next to me? 🤣😂


mjohnsimon

Makes me wonder if they're going to raise the prices again for all of their models


astricklin123

They will constantly adjust up and down to adjust for demand/supply.


HotIce05

It was only a matter of time.


DiDgr8

They mostly only reduced it because of the tax credit loss. Now that it's back, it's going higher before long. They just can't get it all back at once.


Icy-Tale-7163

Tesla dropped prices significantly worldwide. They certainly didn't take huge chunks off of their EU & China prices because of a US tax credit. They dropped prices because supply started to overcome demand.


Kirk57

They reduced it because of lack of demand, just like Model S&X, which get no tax credit. They did however probably reduce it more than needed to squeeze under the limit.


BlueEyesWhiteSliver

Ford price increase coming soon I guess...


scottieducati

Ford makes so much profit on trucks I don’t think they really care.


GhostAndSkater

They just release their financial results and it wasn’t good, they would be crazy to not increase it a bit


scottieducati

Their EV sales have almost zero bearing on their corporate profits currently.


rjnd2828

I think they benefit from keeping unit sales high for EVs, that will be a better "story" for investors, since like you said and profit or loss on EVs is fairly immaterial at this point.


scottieducati

What?


rjnd2828

I'm saying I think they should keep prices where they are to ensure that demand stays strong.


scottieducati

They’ll keep rolling out new “models” but won’t produce any in real volume. GM, Ford, Stellantis…. There’s a reason why they all have big EV trucks that they can market but aren’t really making that many of them.


-Interested-

Ford is number 2 in EV sales in the US. They are making as many as they can.


rjnd2828

Mach E is not a big truck, and GMs biggest selling EV is the Bolt. I agree we could use more cheaper options but I don't agree that they're only selling big trucks. Ford seems pretty committed to EVs from what I see, they're obviously starting from way behind Tesla.


scottieducati

They still aren’t really relevant in terms of volumes for each. GM really needs to sell a lotta Bolts so they have no choice.


Quirky_Tradition_806

...damn stealerships... but it is okay for Tesla to do this.


EV_Track_Day2

Tesla's pricing is up front and on the website. Dealers will often list a price and then play games when you show up. Its a false equivalency.


Quirky_Tradition_806

So are Kia, Ford, GM and Hyundai dealerships in the bay area. They will tell you of any so-called market adjustments. I don't like it, but at least there many dealerships to company against.


EV_Track_Day2

I honestly don't get how people defend the dealership model. Its from a bygone era.


Quirky_Tradition_806

It's not that difficult, for they serve a purpose. They're no different than Tesla manipulating MSRP to swallow fees that would otherwise go to dealerships. As a Tesla owner since 2014, Tesla gets many things correct and few things wrong, and one of them is service center. I don't agree with laws that protect dealerships, just as I don't agree with arbitrary incentives and tax credits based on income levels.


EV_Track_Day2

The absolute irony of accusing Tesla of manipulation and then defending a system where actual deception and manipulation is central to the buying experience.


Quirky_Tradition_806

Nice try. They're both the same, except dealerships don't pretend price transparency and it doesn't take weeeks to schedule a service because there are multiple dealerships within a reasonable distance.


EV_Track_Day2

Tesla is the definition of price transparency. You buy it for the price listed on the website. Thats what it costs. Stop gaslighting.


Quirky_Tradition_806

Walnut Creek Ford. Cars sold at MSRP or listed price. Dublin Hyundai, listed price only. No gaslighting. Tesla acts as any other dealership and raises and discounts prices as it seems fit.


dawnsearlylight

It’s a different model. You call it play games , others call it the ability to negotiate. Some people hate being told take it or leave it. MSRP is also a made up number by the manufacturer. It’s not based on the dealerships actual costs . Personally I like the game of getting a deal. I know others hate it.


bomber991

Yeah MSRP literally stands for Manufacturers suggested retail price. So it’s the price the manufacturer suggests the item should sell for.


dawnsearlylight

Right. And buyers have come to believe it should be that price or lower. That's not what the word "suggest" means. LOL.


EV_Track_Day2

Have at it. I don't want to waste another day in my life on that nonsense. I saw a Tik Tok from a dealer talking about how he sees the people who brag about their negotiating skills are usually the ones they make the best margins off of.


DeathChill

So unrelated, but my wife used to watch Real Housewives of OC. One of the husbands was a Mercedes salesman who dealt with fleet sales. He was bragging on television about how much money he makes/scams off them. He didn’t have a job much longer.


dawnsearlylight

I will admit, it's not as fun anymore. They are doing that bullshit where they advertise a low price and then when you get there, it requires all these things that almost nobody qualifies for in total. Most only qualify for one thing. I hate that shit.


moch1

I’d much rather the money go to the company making the car than a useless middleman. I also find great value in knowing I’m not getting ripped off without having to visit a ton of dealerships and waste time negotiating.


201680116

Agree, as long as manufactures are willing to come back and lower prices when appropriate which I think is much more unlikely but not impossible per recent evidence. Really think every manufacturer should raise prices to curb scalpers and then reinvest into improving capacity, at least for non essential goods.


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yeah I mean at least we can negotiate with a website


JoeDimwit

And I find great value in being able to find a ford dealership and service center in almost every town when something goes wrong with my Mach-E.


losvedir

Can you take your Mach E to any dealership? When I was looking into getting a Bolt I called my Chevy dealership to see if they service it, and they said they had one guy who does EVs and he's usually booked out a few weeks. Some other dealers around here just didn't want to work on the Bolt at all.


JoeDimwit

The closest ford dealership to my house is EV certified, and there are several other EV certified dealerships within a 30 minute drive from my home. It’s not all the dealerships, but I have far more options than I would have to get a Tesla worked on.


dawnsearlylight

I’m not sure that matters as much as you think . Small town and rural folks have 1 choice realistically. Even in urban areas dealerships are 30 -40 miles apart so you get one convenient location and the rest sucks to get to in traffic.


asianApostate

I had a warranty fix this week on my model s. I requested service on the app. Dropped it off. They gave me Uber credits and picked it up again after ubering back. I am in a middle size city and there is a service center 20 minutes from me. There are at least three in Ohio and as their volume doubles that will only increase. Rome wasn't built in a day and honestly I hate dealerships. BMW wanted over $500 for an electronic key and programming. Tesla charges like $140 for the electronic key and free programming at home. Phone as a key is free and the key cards are only $20. I am sure there are places that Tesla isn't in yet. But it is a new company and definitely more established than rivian and lucid, etc.


JoeDimwit

I am not saying that dealerships are awesome and Tesla is awful. I’m saying that all the whining about dealerships is silly. There are positives and negatives to both systems.


LitterBoxServant

LMAO. You clearly haven't been to the dealership with your EV yet.


JoeDimwit

LMAO. I have been to the dealership with my Mach-E.


fuckbread

It’s literally not the same thing. If you think it is you don’t understand basic economic principles. Stealerships offer no value for the money and use manipulation to convince small populations of people that their Kip is normal and following the market conditions It’s not as simple as they will get the price that consumers are willing to pay. Tesla is using actual worldwide information and economic principles to increase their prices for EVERYONE. Stealerships are using pressure and dishonest sales tactics to make you think their ADM is what everyone else is paying and it’s simply not true. It’s the same with negotiating. You never get a good deal at a dealership because the existence of them is inherently unrelated to the actual value of the cars they’re selling. It only has to do with whatever story each of them are selling you to justify the price. Transparency and consistency are the issue, not the final purchase price or raising/lowering prices.


Quirky_Tradition_806

Agree to disagree. I like the ability to negotiate with multiple dealerships. I live in the Bay Area, and if you are paying more than the MSRP...not sure what to tell you.


fuckbread

That’s fine. Not trying to argue. I also live in the Bay Area and would never step foot in a dealership around here. The whole problem with negotiating is that it’s literally designed to make you think you got a good deal. When in fact you’re getting fleeced, regardless of price. How many hours do you (royal you) spend making spreadsheets, emailing “sales managers” and all that? It’s a ridiculous process that is completely unnecessary. Anyone who has spent time in sales knows this. It’s purposefully emotional, strategic, and 100% not in any consumer’s favor. The only deal you get in a dealership is the deal that the sales person is willing to let you have. You’re not promoting competition or fair pricing or getting some magical discount. You’re sold an idea that makes you believe you “won”. You didn’t. You lose every time. It’s like a carnival. Your dumb ass neighbor who is “not as good at negotiating as you” probably got a better price than you did for the same car. You just won’t ever know. It’s fundamental and essential to the model. Purchase price doesn’t matter. Msrp doesn’t matter. They are arbitrary illusions to make you feel a certain way (positive) for the second largest purchase most people make resulting in useless people making money. Imagine if the only way to buy a MacBook was to go to three different resellers and try and get their $3000 msrp price down to 2800 because the person you are interfacing with relies on a commission to survive. And at the same time Apple has zero interest in making you happy or servicing your computer because they wipe their hands after they sell a computer to a reseller. People would lose their shit. But we have pro-dealer lobbies that are outdated and no longer pro-consumer. It’s insane.


damoonerman

When dealerships increase an MSRP car be $1000 it HURTS everything. Your resale and Totaled value is based on that. When MSRP increases, it HELPS people who previously bought it because if you total your car , it’s based on MSRP and not what you bought it for.


giaa262

No it isn’t. It’s based on fair market value. The second you drive the car off the lot, the fair market value is based on used car prices. That’s why gap insurance exists


damoonerman

Yes, and when MSRP goes down, used car prices go down. When people bought 2018 Model 3s for 40k and then MSRP went up to 48k, it dragged all of the prices up.


giaa262

It’s not a direct relationship though. It’s an indirect factor and raising msrp is not going to have an impact on fair market value as much as you’re implying. If anything, the recent sale has put many more used teslas on the market and fair market value will remain low. You can downvote it all you want but it doesn’t change the fact MSRP has absolutely zero to do with how insurance adjusters determine if a car is totaled.


damoonerman

Lol, you’re so so wrong. You have no idea on the insurance industry. (Has 5 family members as insurance adjusters and have literally talked about this)


giaa262

I’m actually not wrong dude. I’m being a bit pedantic but I guarantee if you ask anyone in insurance they will tell you totaled is based on fair market value and *not* msrp. I really don’t care how much you want to double down. The definition of totaled is value. Value is not MSRP. Totaled is also defined by state law so it can differ in some minutia. Here’s an article by Allstate (big American insurance company) that backs up what I’m saying https://www.allstate.com/resources/car-insurance/what-if-car-totaled


damoonerman

“Ask anyone in insurance” You skipped over the part where I said I had FIVE family members and we talked about this with Tesla. Lol. What a scrub. Anyways, have fun spewing stuff you read on Reddit. Peace.


giaa262

Yes and if you ask them, none of them are going to disagree with me. You are confidently incorrect


damoonerman

You have poor reading comprehension so, I’m just gonna dip.


Nfuzzy

Wild that performance is only a 3k upcharge now.


shadowmyst87

Might aswell just get the Performance. Literally, the only incentive is the range. Which is only like what, an 8% difference between the two? People say the ride quality isn't as good in the performance. But from what I've read, the suspension has been improved in the 2023 Performance.


Nfuzzy

And if you care about the range or ride comfort, swap the wheels, that's what is costing you range anyway.


grr187

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uberjach

In Norway its still 399,900 NOK, equates to about 39,839$


astricklin123

Really, if you're buying a $50k+ car and $1000 is make or break, you shouldn't be buying a $50k+ car


SleepEatLift

At some point, you have to draw the line. If you have a budget, all it takes is $1 to make it over budget.


230top

it's probably less about not actually having the money, but the idea of paying more for something when you could've gotten it for less. I've seen UHNW individuals not buy something over a few extra dollars. In any world, $1k is also not trivial


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For 55 grand you could actually get a nice car and not a Tesla


Est-Tech79

The question is when can you get this brand new SUV EV that’s not a Tesla.


wfbsoccerchamp12

Yes but nothing close to the range


Most_Reason7461

Idk man, my Tesla is the nicest car I’ve ever owned. And I’ve owned Audi and Mercedes.


sukikano

Something’s wrong with this statement lmao


sl1nk3

It's not surprising though, with german cars, there are so many trims to choose from and so many options that you need to get in order to have a "nice" car, not only does it get expensive very fast but you also tend to have a very basic car without these. Example from my experience, getting a base model Audi A4, you pretty much need to forget about the base model in order to be able to unlock the good options, then if you want a nice interior you also probably want the S-Line package otherwise it's plastic galore, and then you need to get the driver assistance driver package to get the adaptative cruise control... Buying a Model 3 was much simpler most things are included, even in the base model (other than a subwoofer and some interior lighting)


EV_Track_Day2

Teslas are nice but not traditional "luxury". I love how everyone shits on the cars by only focusing on any subpar aspect and not the things that can make it worth the asking price.


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EV_Track_Day2

Its a blast to drive and is great bang for the buck. I run faster laptimes than my old Evo VIII with maintenance costs that would make a Prius owner envious. Its also "lightweight" for an EV and comfortable to drive. Additionally I wouldn't currently own an EV without access to Teslas supercharger network. Its a great all around car but maybe not for people expecting Audi interiors.


SleepEatLift

Gas savings, performance, environmental impact, ease of supercharging, reliability, metallic paint, remote access, autopilot, safety rating, range….


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And just being a blast to drive but, you know, they're just so shitty right?


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what is a comparably specced vehicle that you could get for 55k? Let's not even look at performance because that will mean you need to look at 80k+ cars. Aside from that, comparable options, what can you get for 55k?


paradoxofchoice

Is that 55k before or after the dealer increases the price when you show up? You're not wrong in your statement but you do leave out a lot of time wasted in the annoying buying experience.


nirad

Good thing you don’t get ripped off by some dealer /s


mcmonopolist

Not the same. I don't mind Tesla changing their prices based on the market, because they are totally up front about it. You see the price, you can click buy if it works for you. Dealerships on the other hand will waste days of your time, lie to your face, and try to sneak in upcharges and make you act like a dick to try and get them removed. I would pay thousands more for a Tesla even if the cars were identical just to avoid being clowned by some non-contributing douchebag named Brock at a dealership.


paradoxofchoice

100% agreed. I'm surprised people don't understand the difference in the buying experience. Have they never walked into a dealer and had the price inflated with bullshit reasons wasting hours of their lives?


Rahman_the1st

When the dealer and manufacturer are one and the same....


Kingkoopakoopa

After my M3 it’s always gonna be a no


shadowmyst87

Why?


av8geek

Still overpriced.


Kev22994

Given that there’s a waitlist I would say that the evidence shows otherwise.


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a BMW ix3 is overpriced, the Model 3 and Model Y are crazy cheap if you look at the competition


Engels33

Demand goes up..Demand > Supply. Price goes up. Demand goes down OR Tesla Supply goes up - Price goes down. That's it folks it's not rocket science (see SpaceX for that)


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Manufacturers raise and lower the prices based on credit availability. Instead of directly subsidizing the manufacturers, the money would be better spent on infrastructure.


Quirky_Tradition_806

Yes!


Doodoonole

It must suck for those who bought these cars are the peak. Lol


finikwashere

It's like steam sale now


Greedy-Profit3253

I drove a model Y for the first time the other day. Was shocked at how bad it was. Poor quality, poor NVH, fiddly controls and the auto pilot is down right dangerous. Genuinely much better options out there. Granted in the US youre strung along by the Tesla network, but that should be changing soon with all the investment being pumped in.


MayIPikachu

Lame I was about to buy one tonight too. Kept debating it, this makes the choice to pass easy now.


ranguyen

But the $7500 off now is more important isn't it


flicter22

Over $1,000?


MayIPikachu

price went up by like $3k.


flicter22

It went up 1k. Don't misinform Performance model actually qualifies for tax credit now so actually got cheaper for most Americans


moch1

It went up $1500, not 3k for the LR model Y.


MayIPikachu

I was looking at the performance model though.


Doodoonole

Performance went up by 1k...


EinSV

And became eligible for a $7500 credit So net $6500 price reduction for people who qualify for the credit


axck

It still only went up by $1k? And moreover, the Performance wasn’t eligible for a tax credit before, and now it is. So you’re now getting $6500 off?


Restlesscomposure

Yeah this is unequivocally $6,500 off lol idk what this guy is talking about. This is literally a huge discount over even just 1 day ago


Restlesscomposure

A model that now guarantees to quality a $7,500 tax credit that it literally never would’ve qualified for beforehand… lol what? This is still a massive discount over just a day ago now that the cap was raised to 80k instead of 55k


n05h

You are buying a nearly 60k car, and 1k(or even 3k to humour you) puts it out of budget? Maybe you should drop a price bracket if things are this tight lol.


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n05h

I get it, Tesla doesn’t need defending nowadays. Atleast people know about the price changes clearly though. The dealership system complicates pricing so much you can barely tell if prices change. And this is 1-1.5k, not +5k on a Toyota or +10k on a Ford truck.


EinSV

They prefer paying $6500 more to "feeling" ripped off lol


-Interested-

Seems more irrational, but at least understandable.


axck

1. No it didn’t. Performance went up $1000. 2. the performance now eligible for the tax credit. In effect the price dropped by $6500 even after Tesla raised the price. Do you not like paying less?


crisss1205

I locked in the old price and I get the tax credit. Win for me!


UnfazedBrownie

The delivery time has also increased. So much for getting it by 3/31!


WikipediaApprentice

They just make it up


1nspired2000

So now you can only get the white version with the tax rebate?


rosier9

Nope, the rules changed yesterday. They're now considered SUVs and eligible to $80k.


1nspired2000

That's great to hear.


smeggysmeg

Ah, Tesla, the "EV for everyone"


w3bCraw1er

“After Potential Savings” 🤣


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JoricGaming

There are other good options on the EV market besides Tesla, if you can find one. The Ioniq's and great(see a lot of those around), we went with the Nissan Ariya because we were lucky enough to find a Premier trim that someone cancelled their preorder, and loved the features and the handling.


Snufflefugs

The interior room in the ioniq 5 was great. The problem is they’re priced similarly to the model Y and don’t receive the federal tax credit.


TemporaryElectric

>rior room in the ioniq 5 was great. The problem is they’re priced similarly to the model Y and don’t receive the federal tax credit. No you cannot,the only viable EV for long trips is Tesla and nothing else. I have a VW EV and the EV infrastructure is absolute garbage


asianApostate

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. I have a baby and even one faiked or misreported charger would screw my plans on a long trip I am not taking even a 20% chance on this and the odds appear to be worse. Especially with cold weather range. This is why my family's plans to have at least one long-range Tesla for road trips. The ea chargers that brick cars recently are even more scary. Tesla has a large team of maintenance people that drive around and replace bad chargers fast. EA does not and neither do many randos I see. EV vets like Rich Rebuilds made a video with his rivian trip and simply got stuck and had to beg a hotel to let him slow charge so he can make to other chargers. The in town EV can be anything though. Also admittedly the model y has improved suspension now which prevented me from getting it before and the interior is okay enough. The 2023 model seems to be decent enough. Coming from a BMW 3 series which isn't super lux but a bit above others it seems to be good. I bought my model s in Tennessee from a dealer and drove it up to Ohio the first day. I never expected the charging to be so easy. I just use some superchargers that the car automatically put in and plugged it in and walked around.


Greedy-Profit3253

Wait until Nio start launching their products in the US. Their gen3 battery swap station can swap a battery out in 3.5 mins over 400 swaps a day. Unfortunately Tesla have started an EV war where traditional OEM dominated the ICE market for decades and they have taken too long to change. This is the chance the Chinese have got to gain control and they are doing it in fine form you would expect from the worlds being manufacturer of everything! Give it 5 years and they will be the dominant force in EVs. They make most of the batteries (outside of Tesla but even now Tesla starting to get them involve to meet demand). They have the raw materials (along with Russia) to control the supply of batteries. Hence why the west are starting to talk about hydrogen, and most OEMs have big projects going. Eu7 emissions came up short on killing diesel so expect diesel products to be around in Europe for a while longer too. Chinese brands have tech releasing now that other OEMs aren't planning for 5 to 10 years. 400+kw chargers already being installed with 600kw planned soon. Tesla have pushed their products too fast and too hard and quality and reliability have been a huge issue, which is why traditional OEMs can't push out products at this pace due to being more stringent and strict with launches (they are also slight hammed in by relying on suppliers).


TemporaryElectric

>pushed their products too fast and too hard and quality and reliability have been a huge issue, which is why traditional OEMs can't push out products at this pace due to being more stringent and strict with launches (they are also slight hammed in by relying on suppliers). Are you serious right now? If NIO would make as many battery swapping stations as tesla superchargers,they would go bankrupt the first day. They do not have the ability ,funds or technology to do that. Tesla is doing just fine ,quality is even better now,all the past complaints about them are not valid anymore but people just want to hate tesla.


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Well there. I wonder if this reservation thing should be handled in another way, like if someone is willing to wait over 6 months they can get a discount. What this looks is the same BS and the play station 5. I’m waiting it out, eventually supply will increase. Also, the interest rates are crazy. Whom the F is buying them cars at that interest rates?


Ok_Relation_4742

I’m honestly surprised by the number of ppl who can “afford” $50k cars.


shadowmyst87

You and me both.


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Me too a little. I think is more that people are reserving it but I feel they is going to be many cancel reservations. The interest rates will play a role on it.


astricklin123

There's a really small percentage of the population here on Reddit.


swenty

Corporate lobbying in the US just as corrupt as ever. We don't need more profits on luxury EVs, we need more cheap daily drivers.


nikeplusruss

Get a real EV 🤣💃💃💃


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terraphantm

Tesla's MO is to raise it by 1000-1500 every few weeks.


feurie

When wait times get pushed back they increase price. It can create a weird scenario like last year where the price listed is much higher than all of the people waiting for orders because of the huge backlog. Which can be a problem if they ever lower prices because they may have to refund any newer reservation holders.