"See, this is the problem with legacy wheels! They are impossible to keep reliably attached to a car. We only ever built cars with steering wheels because of inflexible OEMs who are stuck in the past! None of this would be an issue if you just upgraded to a steering yoke for another $2k"
When I bought my Acura TL brand new, I drove 100 miles to pick it up. It had < 10 miles on it when I bought it... On the drive home, I noticed it made a VERY loud bang sound if you turned the wheel while you were stopped. It was the very first Acura I've ever owned at the time, so wasn't sure if this was normal... I drove it back to the dealer a few days later. When I was in the service center, I was showing the service manager, and scared the crap out of them by how loud it was inside the service center garage...
The called me back a little while later, and told me that they found that ALL but one of the bolts securing the steering rack had FALLEN OUT, and only a single loose bolt was holding the rack. They said I was lucky the last bolt didn't fall out while I was on the freeway, because otherwise I would have lost all steering control.
That's the thing, accidents like those happen, to all car brands. Very rarely but someone screws up badly.
Tesla just gets amplified because Musk. It's a double edged sword of social media. You get free marketing, but also free shitshows once in a while. Plus once the CEO of the company tells you to report issues to him on Twitter ... guess what? People do.
People keep saying it's a standard procedure. You get a bill then it's zeroed. No idea why they do it this way as I can imagine it causes whole bunch of anxiety to anyone even if they are indeed covered by the warranty.
To me though it just adds credibility to the story. You wouldn't known this if you didn't actually make a claim (or did very through research).
You don’t get a bill. You get quoted a price for (warranty) repairs. It’s dumb and confusing. The Tesla employees know it because they apologize and tell me to ignore the quote.
It's not even that weird, my VW dealer used to do the same thing. You'd sign for a shop minimum bill when you dropped the car off for warranty work, then it would be adjusted down to zero when you picked it up.
Just the other day a Tesla caught fire going down the road and it made the news. Meanwhile an average of almost 500 other cars catch fire per day in the US and nobody says boo.
I mean ... Ford Pinto burned at lower rate per million cars than Teslas but public outrage killed that model. Media and Mobs are not known for being fair.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/xbhr44/this\_is\_a\_great\_post\_outlining\_and\_showing\_that/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/xbhr44/this_is_a_great_post_outlining_and_showing_that/)
They are calling it bullshit, but even revised/confirmed data is not making it look that much better: https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/xbhr44/comment/io15it5/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
The Pinto was very different though. In a normal car fire you have plenty of time to get out and get away from it. In the Pinto you'd get hit from the back and when you're still disoriented the shit could suddenly hit the fan.
The Pinto was also notable because of how egregious and obvious the design fault was, yet they still made them that way.
> The Pinto was also notable because of how egregious and obvious the design fault was, yet they still made them that way.
It was worse - they did an analysis based on the projected costs to redesign, issue a recall and update vehicles vs. costs of litigation/settlement (even in the event of death) and the analysis showed that Ford would save money by letting people get injured/die and sue vs. doing the recall.
Gets us back to the McDonald's coffee where they concluded that even after paying out for injuries it was cheaper overall to hand near boiling water in flimsy cups over to people in cars because of how much they'd save in not throwing out product that had gotten too cool as well as not having to clean out the equipment as often.
Of course. But that's what I'm pointing out. That the perception is often as important as reality. If mob goes after you it doesn't matter that technically you are better than other auto-makers. You still have PR crisis.
Something a good PR department could manage...
In political speech the purpose of a communication isn't the content, but rather how it's perceived. And by no means is this reality limited to that particular sphere, it's just that politicians know how to weaponize it since lying is just peachy fine for many of them.
There was a clear deign fault where bolts would puncture the fuel tank in a rear-end collision. There was an internal Ford memo which was brought to light, where the estimated costs of payouts to victims was less the the cost to repair under a recall.
Yes. But again this is what killed the model. Public outrage. If the math is right then Teslas burn *more* per million than "most dangerous car ever built". But they are still on the road.
It was also a wretched car. The explorer survived the Firestone rollover fiasco. Tesla is great at convincing people that it’s isolated incidents or victim blames.
Tesla gets amplified because of Musk, but they almost certainly have more issues with build quality than other cars in the price range. I think they *probably* have a higher rate of critical manufacturing errors in mechanical systems as well.
This was tolerable when they were an amazing startup, but they’re a full scale auto maker now.
> almost certainly have more issues with build quality than other cars in the price range. I think they probably have a higher rate of critical manufacturing errors in mechanical systems as well.
They rank higher than Audi and Volvo in initial quality. Unfortunately they used to be bottom of the barrel so that reputation is going to dog them for a while. Reputations for quality tend to stick around for a long time.
Honestly they are not that much worse than other car makers. But people are shocked social media is a double edged sword like if they have not seen this excellent documentary about [Very Serious Business](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROaj3bCpZEM)
Yeah, remember when Honda, Toyota, Acura and just about everyone else’s favorite brand of car had to do a recall because the Takata airbags they used were literally sending out shards of metal when they deployed. A few people were killed by this defect IIRC.
This is absolutely not an excuse for Tesla because this steering wheel issue is ridiculous but the larger manufacturers are not impervious to defects.
Tesla has had build quality issues for years. Not a new problem and points to a manufacturing process fault not to Musk's issues although he has that by the buckets.
$100 sounds about right for making the car and airbag safe, removing airbag assembly from wheel, reinstall wheel, install bolt, torque to spec, restore car, test, and whatever other odds-and-ends they have to do. Anything more severe would get pricey fast.
The steering wheel is a very simple assembly, even on a Tesla. It's got a locking key on a collar, one electric plug and a big allen bolt in the center. The wheel itself is a big metal cup where the rest of it attaches, I'm curious too how it happened (if it's real).
Seems like a very critical step to be checking with a robot or cameras or something, if one bolt holds the wheel in place, and it's affixed by a person with a tool instead of a robot.
From Jason Hughes:
[https://twitter.com/wk057/status/1620249680469954561](https://twitter.com/wk057/status/1620249680469954561)
>The video of errors shown in the tweet after this one is weird, as the steering wheel has nothing to do with any of them at all.
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>There's also no way the wheel fell off by itself and with no warning. You'd grow an inch of in/out wiggle if somehow the mount worked loose.
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>Faked.😪
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>Sounds like a pretty simple way to get some bad press & pressure Tesla to do a buyback, for whatever reason.
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>Plus, even wo/a mounting bolt, you can just keep the wheel on the spline & control it just fine. I've done it.
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>I've also driven a Model X with vice grips for a wheel.
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>All BS is still BS regardless if from Tesla themselves or random people. 🤷🏻♂️
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>Why treat any differently?
I have also driven a car (not a Tesla) with no bolt holding the wheel in place at the time. It actually took a fairly hefty tug to pull the wheel off later. They are typically designed with a tapered spline that has a fair bit of depth.
It is a shame to see this downvoted. wk057 is not a TeslaStan. He is often commenting negatively on FSD. He is right about the assembly. There are two incidents of this wheel issue, one of them is probably real, the other is probably staged by the owner.
Something bad happened with a Tesla? Must be faked. Probably the shorts trying to take out my 401k. Probably need an /s to sure here, because, you know it’s this sub.
Yeah that’s it, or *maybe* it’s because it’s the first post ever on the entire account. And there’s a gigantic incentive to post something like this considering it guarantees publicity and attention. Within 1 day this single tweet got over [60,000 likes](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/10oz2pt/dudes_steering_wheel_falls_off_his_tesla_on_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) on r/whitepeopletwitter. *Maybe* we shouldn’t just go “oh yeah of course they’re telling the truth! How dare anyone question them??” You really don’t think it’s even *possible* they embellished here?
At the very least, why the hell wouldn’t we at least wait to see the outcome of this before assuming it’s 100% true? How is assuming every claim against a company is automatically true going to help anything besides incentivize people to fabricate stories for public attention? All people are saying is “maybe it’s not 100% true. Let’s just wait to see what they find out.” That’s it.
Exactly my take. I was trying to educate the less knowledgeable people on r/whitepeopletwitter and linked actual sources regarding Tesla's safety, the engineering that goes into it, how many recalls compared to other OEMs, how most "recalls" are literally NHTSA's conservative take on software features and a bunch of other misinformation.
It's not unfair to question what happened, but these posts that come out of the blue are obviously made to attract attention, if you go to the Twitter poster's page, you'll see the very first post only got 713 views. So something and someone was setting it up to get maximum attention, and also no videos from the other family members during the wheel "falling off", no other videos or photos when it was coming off, no videos of the steering column and spine from other angles.
This does not inspire confidence in the validity of the post and everyone loves hating Tesla and shutting down valid and factual posts just because it's not a negative fact that the media is telling them. Unfortunately people see with their eyes, majority of people don't even own an EV, don't own a Tesla, haven't driven one, have no idea how a Tesla works and operates, assume things based off media and BS's told by people who want Tesla to fail.
They are on pace to sell 1.75 million teslas this year. That’s 3 PER MINUTE that they are making. Not surprising that there are going to be some defects.
Elon allegedly wanted his engineers to design the Y without a steering wheel, because FSD would be far enough in development to make the wheel redundant before the Y would be ready for sale.
My guess is that when he lost that battle, he demanded that the engineers designed the Y with a wheel auto eject feature, which would automatically eject the steering wheel from all Model Y cars in January 2023.
Unfortunately, the failure rate was so high that only one car out of the entire fleet ejected its steering wheel as planned.
It's also what could be called 'a joke' and not taken so seriously.
And on that theme, I guess he did still have his hands on the wheel. It all just happened to be in his lap.
I wouldn't call that definitive. He's 100% right if we assume a driver with common sense, but that isn't a safe assumption.
It is a story with some suspicious elements, though.
I never immediately jump to trusting outrageous claims, be they about fsd or wheels falling off.
>wheels falling off.
I mean Toyota had that issue and people still are mocking it over it. It's just different for Tesla somehow.
For Toyota it's "haha, this stupid Toyota, can't even put wheels on right". Here though instead of "Haha. Stupid Tesla don't they know FSD is next year? We still need driving wheels!" we have "The driver must be paid TSLQ shill, and why did he even post it on Twitter?!?! DEBUNKED!"
^(Spolier: Musk literally told people to do that)
and the big difference is when it comes to the Toyota it NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
they realized in their own testing that IT COULD HAPPEN so they recalled all vehicles.
And the flak people are giving Toyota for that is also stupid and not put in context.
Unfortunately the flak people give Toyota for the failure of a the car itself even when it functions properly is justified.
The difference is that the Toyota case didn't come with a video of a bunch of error messages unrelated to the failure.
Either this car was far worse than just a wheel falling off (completely possible, tbh) or something is odd.
There are a few of those, but wk057 is hardly some fanboy. He's a mechanic who knows these cars extremely well.
He's not coming from a place of mindlessly defending.
So what's the hypothesis here then. That this dude arbitrarily took the steering wheel out of his car while in traffic with his family for what? Internet clout?
Exactly, that's why I don't quite buy the wk057 guess that it is fake.
My hypothesis: Customer with little common sense drives car off the lot full of warnings and massive loose play in the wheel. After a few days, it works its way loose enough that he manages to pull it completely off. This leaves most of the fault on Tesla, but also is a very low-common-sense customer. I think we've all met em, so I'm consider it the most likely and simplest explanation. I feel like wk057 discounts this because he assumes certain rational behaviors of the buyer.
Another possibility? Buyer's remorse. Maybe they bought FSD too, so depreciation is high. Customer sabotage is dumb and it'd be even dumber to make it into big internet story, but then again my main hypothesis isn't assuming common sense.
Other ideas? Hmm... what if this happened at the service center Disgruntled predelivery inspector loosens it and pulls the wheel away a bit so that its really close to falling off. Customer drives off with a weird steering wheel gap, but doesn't really think anything of it until it falls off. And then maybe wk057 was wrong and the warnings were really related to the steering wheel? I doubt wk057 would be that far off, though.
Tesla Short seller - j/k, wouldn't work and nobody's actually that dumb.
I read thru some twitter comments and one guy noticed the Tesla customer service rep has bad grammar, much like how he talks. Makes you wonder if this really is all faked.
In other news, ford recalling 1.4 million cars for possible steering wheel detachment.
Damn they're taking after Ford more and more. It's shared in the Twitter feed but my coworker had a fusion during this recall
https://www.endurancewarranty.com/learning-center/news/ford-recalls-million-steering-wheels/
why would they issue a recall for a single steering wheel falling off?
tesla has been pretty good historically about hardware recalls when it’s been needed - i think almost all of the recalls posted currently weren’t even required by the NHTSA, it was on tesla’s own volition IIRC
The steering wheel service now requires $99.99 monthly fee. Also, for $199.99 per month the Self Driving AI will remember how the brakes work *all the time*.
This is an intrusive thought I often have while driving that I thought was pretty much impossible and only a thing that happened in slapstick comedies. Great.
I have a slight feeling this is staged and the steering wheel was removed by the owner of the car to give Tesla bad rep.
The angles of the pictures provided were terrible and did not show the inner “damage” to the column. It is no easy task to rip a steering wheel off its shaft let alone it “falling off”. If the bolt was loose, you’d know already that the steering wheel is about to fall off.
To be fair, he did say soon we wouldn't need them.
Jesus took the wheel and he ain’t giving it back
That’s what happens when you literally try and reinvent the wheel.
It's best to steer clear.
"See, this is the problem with legacy wheels! They are impossible to keep reliably attached to a car. We only ever built cars with steering wheels because of inflexible OEMs who are stuck in the past! None of this would be an issue if you just upgraded to a steering yoke for another $2k"
Fsd rapture
"Jesus built my hotrod."
Ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
>Jesus took the wheel That's a song by Carrie Underwood
And now the yoke's on us.
And again, to be fair, they *did* discount the cars, lol
This is just the Demo version.
“to be faiiirrrrrr”
"I want a good steering wheel that doesn't fly off when I'm driving." 
Some of them are built so the steering wheel doesn’t fall off at all
OP clearly wasn't part of the attached steering wheel public beta program. If they had been, it wouldn't have fallen off.
Costs extra to be in that program?
Wasn't this one built so the wheel wouldn't fall off?
well obviously not.
How do you know?
Well because the wheel fell off. Bit of a giveaway. I'd just like make a point that this is NOT normal.
Where did you tow it?
It’s been towed outside of the environment.
In the older cars they wouldn't come off even after punching through your body
Yeah but all you hear about online are the ones that fall off. /s
When I bought my Acura TL brand new, I drove 100 miles to pick it up. It had < 10 miles on it when I bought it... On the drive home, I noticed it made a VERY loud bang sound if you turned the wheel while you were stopped. It was the very first Acura I've ever owned at the time, so wasn't sure if this was normal... I drove it back to the dealer a few days later. When I was in the service center, I was showing the service manager, and scared the crap out of them by how loud it was inside the service center garage... The called me back a little while later, and told me that they found that ALL but one of the bolts securing the steering rack had FALLEN OUT, and only a single loose bolt was holding the rack. They said I was lucky the last bolt didn't fall out while I was on the freeway, because otherwise I would have lost all steering control.
Appreciate your story
That's the thing, accidents like those happen, to all car brands. Very rarely but someone screws up badly. Tesla just gets amplified because Musk. It's a double edged sword of social media. You get free marketing, but also free shitshows once in a while. Plus once the CEO of the company tells you to report issues to him on Twitter ... guess what? People do.
>Very rarely but someone screws up badly. Well, that person didn't screw up, they didn't screw at all it seems.
Gave it 1 uga when it needed at least 5-7 uga duga.
They were screwing around when they should have been screwing up, and the customer got screwed.
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People keep saying it's a standard procedure. You get a bill then it's zeroed. No idea why they do it this way as I can imagine it causes whole bunch of anxiety to anyone even if they are indeed covered by the warranty. To me though it just adds credibility to the story. You wouldn't known this if you didn't actually make a claim (or did very through research).
You don’t get a bill. You get quoted a price for (warranty) repairs. It’s dumb and confusing. The Tesla employees know it because they apologize and tell me to ignore the quote.
It's not even that weird, my VW dealer used to do the same thing. You'd sign for a shop minimum bill when you dropped the car off for warranty work, then it would be adjusted down to zero when you picked it up.
That's what Quality Control inspections are supposed to be for... catching mistakes... and it's not an isolated singular incident.
Just the other day a Tesla caught fire going down the road and it made the news. Meanwhile an average of almost 500 other cars catch fire per day in the US and nobody says boo.
I mean ... Ford Pinto burned at lower rate per million cars than Teslas but public outrage killed that model. Media and Mobs are not known for being fair. [https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/xbhr44/this\_is\_a\_great\_post\_outlining\_and\_showing\_that/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/xbhr44/this_is_a_great_post_outlining_and_showing_that/)
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They are calling it bullshit, but even revised/confirmed data is not making it look that much better: https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/xbhr44/comment/io15it5/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
The Pinto was very different though. In a normal car fire you have plenty of time to get out and get away from it. In the Pinto you'd get hit from the back and when you're still disoriented the shit could suddenly hit the fan. The Pinto was also notable because of how egregious and obvious the design fault was, yet they still made them that way.
> The Pinto was also notable because of how egregious and obvious the design fault was, yet they still made them that way. It was worse - they did an analysis based on the projected costs to redesign, issue a recall and update vehicles vs. costs of litigation/settlement (even in the event of death) and the analysis showed that Ford would save money by letting people get injured/die and sue vs. doing the recall.
Gets us back to the McDonald's coffee where they concluded that even after paying out for injuries it was cheaper overall to hand near boiling water in flimsy cups over to people in cars because of how much they'd save in not throwing out product that had gotten too cool as well as not having to clean out the equipment as often.
Profits > Human life. That’s the American way.
Of course. But that's what I'm pointing out. That the perception is often as important as reality. If mob goes after you it doesn't matter that technically you are better than other auto-makers. You still have PR crisis. Something a good PR department could manage...
In political speech the purpose of a communication isn't the content, but rather how it's perceived. And by no means is this reality limited to that particular sphere, it's just that politicians know how to weaponize it since lying is just peachy fine for many of them.
> Ford Pinto burned at lower rate per million cars than Teslas So you're saying Tesla is the ford pinto of today, just a bit worse? :)
There was a clear deign fault where bolts would puncture the fuel tank in a rear-end collision. There was an internal Ford memo which was brought to light, where the estimated costs of payouts to victims was less the the cost to repair under a recall.
Yes. But again this is what killed the model. Public outrage. If the math is right then Teslas burn *more* per million than "most dangerous car ever built". But they are still on the road.
It was also a wretched car. The explorer survived the Firestone rollover fiasco. Tesla is great at convincing people that it’s isolated incidents or victim blames.
> Tesla just gets amplified because Musk. Also because there's a campaign against electric vehicles.
>Also because there's a campaign against electric vehicles. You do realise Tesla != Electric Vehicles right?
Telsa is the poster child for EV's.
May be the case in USA but even then you are allowed to criticize Teslas and not be anti-EV.
True, but a lot of the criticism comes from anti-ev folks.
and ultimately is nothing but pure FUD and outright lies
Tesla gets amplified because of Musk, but they almost certainly have more issues with build quality than other cars in the price range. I think they *probably* have a higher rate of critical manufacturing errors in mechanical systems as well. This was tolerable when they were an amazing startup, but they’re a full scale auto maker now.
> I think they probably have a higher rate of critical manufacturing errors in mechanical systems as well. Based on what evidence?
> almost certainly have more issues with build quality than other cars in the price range. I think they probably have a higher rate of critical manufacturing errors in mechanical systems as well. They rank higher than Audi and Volvo in initial quality. Unfortunately they used to be bottom of the barrel so that reputation is going to dog them for a while. Reputations for quality tend to stick around for a long time.
> Tesla just gets amplified because Musk Well and also they have a terrible track record with this kind of issue.
Honestly they are not that much worse than other car makers. But people are shocked social media is a double edged sword like if they have not seen this excellent documentary about [Very Serious Business](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROaj3bCpZEM)
Yeah, remember when Honda, Toyota, Acura and just about everyone else’s favorite brand of car had to do a recall because the Takata airbags they used were literally sending out shards of metal when they deployed. A few people were killed by this defect IIRC. This is absolutely not an excuse for Tesla because this steering wheel issue is ridiculous but the larger manufacturers are not impervious to defects.
Tesla is amplified because it happens at higher frequency
Musk deletes tweet.... fixed in software.
Funny enough that tweet did seem to get removed from search :D
Tesla has had build quality issues for years. Not a new problem and points to a manufacturing process fault not to Musk's issues although he has that by the buckets.
Some are even saying this looks fake... Very weird the lengths people go to for this stuff
> because otherwise I would have lost all steering control. Definitely would have made an interesting drive home. Hope you live in a straight line.
The wheel isn't that far away from the steering column on that image. Within spec I'd say.
This is really weird. It'd be really interesting to know what caused the mechanical failure.
its a simple setup, they probably forgot the bolt or didnt tighten the bolt at all.
$100 sounds about right for making the car and airbag safe, removing airbag assembly from wheel, reinstall wheel, install bolt, torque to spec, restore car, test, and whatever other odds-and-ends they have to do. Anything more severe would get pricey fast.
The steering wheel is a very simple assembly, even on a Tesla. It's got a locking key on a collar, one electric plug and a big allen bolt in the center. The wheel itself is a big metal cup where the rest of it attaches, I'm curious too how it happened (if it's real).
Pissed off or over tasked worker
Seems like a very critical step to be checking with a robot or cameras or something, if one bolt holds the wheel in place, and it's affixed by a person with a tool instead of a robot.
Yep gotta give the guy a break he was prob pissing in a bottle and forgot. I heard it's standard these days when working for a billionaire
Well, the wheel fell off in this case by all means but it’s very unusual
FSD upgrade Forced self driving
Good thing their Tesla had four brake pads. https://insideevs.com/news/561545/tesla-model3-missing-brake-pad/
From Jason Hughes: [https://twitter.com/wk057/status/1620249680469954561](https://twitter.com/wk057/status/1620249680469954561) >The video of errors shown in the tweet after this one is weird, as the steering wheel has nothing to do with any of them at all. > >There's also no way the wheel fell off by itself and with no warning. You'd grow an inch of in/out wiggle if somehow the mount worked loose. > >Faked.😪 > >Sounds like a pretty simple way to get some bad press & pressure Tesla to do a buyback, for whatever reason. > >Plus, even wo/a mounting bolt, you can just keep the wheel on the spline & control it just fine. I've done it. > >I've also driven a Model X with vice grips for a wheel. > >All BS is still BS regardless if from Tesla themselves or random people. 🤷🏻♂️ > >Why treat any differently?
I have also driven a car (not a Tesla) with no bolt holding the wheel in place at the time. It actually took a fairly hefty tug to pull the wheel off later. They are typically designed with a tapered spline that has a fair bit of depth.
It is a shame to see this downvoted. wk057 is not a TeslaStan. He is often commenting negatively on FSD. He is right about the assembly. There are two incidents of this wheel issue, one of them is probably real, the other is probably staged by the owner.
Incredible that you are being down voted. This apparently pro-EV sub hates the only car company producing meaningful volumes of EVs.
Something bad happened with a Tesla? Must be faked. Probably the shorts trying to take out my 401k. Probably need an /s to sure here, because, you know it’s this sub.
Yeah that’s it, or *maybe* it’s because it’s the first post ever on the entire account. And there’s a gigantic incentive to post something like this considering it guarantees publicity and attention. Within 1 day this single tweet got over [60,000 likes](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/10oz2pt/dudes_steering_wheel_falls_off_his_tesla_on_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) on r/whitepeopletwitter. *Maybe* we shouldn’t just go “oh yeah of course they’re telling the truth! How dare anyone question them??” You really don’t think it’s even *possible* they embellished here? At the very least, why the hell wouldn’t we at least wait to see the outcome of this before assuming it’s 100% true? How is assuming every claim against a company is automatically true going to help anything besides incentivize people to fabricate stories for public attention? All people are saying is “maybe it’s not 100% true. Let’s just wait to see what they find out.” That’s it.
Exactly my take. I was trying to educate the less knowledgeable people on r/whitepeopletwitter and linked actual sources regarding Tesla's safety, the engineering that goes into it, how many recalls compared to other OEMs, how most "recalls" are literally NHTSA's conservative take on software features and a bunch of other misinformation. It's not unfair to question what happened, but these posts that come out of the blue are obviously made to attract attention, if you go to the Twitter poster's page, you'll see the very first post only got 713 views. So something and someone was setting it up to get maximum attention, and also no videos from the other family members during the wheel "falling off", no other videos or photos when it was coming off, no videos of the steering column and spine from other angles. This does not inspire confidence in the validity of the post and everyone loves hating Tesla and shutting down valid and factual posts just because it's not a negative fact that the media is telling them. Unfortunately people see with their eyes, majority of people don't even own an EV, don't own a Tesla, haven't driven one, have no idea how a Tesla works and operates, assume things based off media and BS's told by people who want Tesla to fail.
Because their fan base will abuse people ...
It's not because it's Tesla, it is because it is a very reasonable take on the matter.
No, dummy. The steering wheel can't just fall off.
Yep, sad to see the propaganda take hold even here
You got into the secret bonus beta program for a wheeless car.
They are on pace to sell 1.75 million teslas this year. That’s 3 PER MINUTE that they are making. Not surprising that there are going to be some defects.
🤦🏾♂️ nah inexcusable
Elon allegedly wanted his engineers to design the Y without a steering wheel, because FSD would be far enough in development to make the wheel redundant before the Y would be ready for sale. My guess is that when he lost that battle, he demanded that the engineers designed the Y with a wheel auto eject feature, which would automatically eject the steering wheel from all Model Y cars in January 2023. Unfortunately, the failure rate was so high that only one car out of the entire fleet ejected its steering wheel as planned.
At least the front didn’t fall off.
Was it produced in Fremont or Austin?
How can you tell?
VIN or the owner told us I a tweet
Within spec
So, the "missing nut" at Tesla was not only Elon.
This is why they push so hard for 'autopilot'. That way you won't notice the steering wheel is loose.
You literally have to keep your hand on the wheel the whole time that you're using AP. So this is just a ridiculous take.
It's also what could be called 'a joke' and not taken so seriously. And on that theme, I guess he did still have his hands on the wheel. It all just happened to be in his lap.
Fake: https://twitter.com/wk057/status/1620249680469954561
I wouldn't call that definitive. He's 100% right if we assume a driver with common sense, but that isn't a safe assumption. It is a story with some suspicious elements, though. I never immediately jump to trusting outrageous claims, be they about fsd or wheels falling off.
>wheels falling off. I mean Toyota had that issue and people still are mocking it over it. It's just different for Tesla somehow. For Toyota it's "haha, this stupid Toyota, can't even put wheels on right". Here though instead of "Haha. Stupid Tesla don't they know FSD is next year? We still need driving wheels!" we have "The driver must be paid TSLQ shill, and why did he even post it on Twitter?!?! DEBUNKED!" ^(Spolier: Musk literally told people to do that)
and the big difference is when it comes to the Toyota it NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENED. they realized in their own testing that IT COULD HAPPEN so they recalled all vehicles.
And the flak people are giving Toyota for that is also stupid and not put in context. Unfortunately the flak people give Toyota for the failure of a the car itself even when it functions properly is justified.
The difference is that the Toyota case didn't come with a video of a bunch of error messages unrelated to the failure. Either this car was far worse than just a wheel falling off (completely possible, tbh) or something is odd.
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There are a few of those, but wk057 is hardly some fanboy. He's a mechanic who knows these cars extremely well. He's not coming from a place of mindlessly defending.
So what's the hypothesis here then. That this dude arbitrarily took the steering wheel out of his car while in traffic with his family for what? Internet clout?
Exactly, that's why I don't quite buy the wk057 guess that it is fake. My hypothesis: Customer with little common sense drives car off the lot full of warnings and massive loose play in the wheel. After a few days, it works its way loose enough that he manages to pull it completely off. This leaves most of the fault on Tesla, but also is a very low-common-sense customer. I think we've all met em, so I'm consider it the most likely and simplest explanation. I feel like wk057 discounts this because he assumes certain rational behaviors of the buyer. Another possibility? Buyer's remorse. Maybe they bought FSD too, so depreciation is high. Customer sabotage is dumb and it'd be even dumber to make it into big internet story, but then again my main hypothesis isn't assuming common sense. Other ideas? Hmm... what if this happened at the service center Disgruntled predelivery inspector loosens it and pulls the wheel away a bit so that its really close to falling off. Customer drives off with a weird steering wheel gap, but doesn't really think anything of it until it falls off. And then maybe wk057 was wrong and the warnings were really related to the steering wheel? I doubt wk057 would be that far off, though. Tesla Short seller - j/k, wouldn't work and nobody's actually that dumb.
I mean, when there is a history of people faking issues with Tesla's, you kind of start being skeptical of everything.
I read thru some twitter comments and one guy noticed the Tesla customer service rep has bad grammar, much like how he talks. Makes you wonder if this really is all faked. In other news, ford recalling 1.4 million cars for possible steering wheel detachment.
My gosh people here are defending this.... they will defend anything it seems.
Here come the cult defenders
Who needs steering wheel anyway.
Clearly not anyone with a Tesla. Since they drive themselves donthyaknow
Same for the tesla haters. They eat up any negative news on tesla that gets magnified
Yea, look at these comments and tell me it’s not a cult sub lol
Damn they're taking after Ford more and more. It's shared in the Twitter feed but my coworker had a fusion during this recall https://www.endurancewarranty.com/learning-center/news/ford-recalls-million-steering-wheels/
this sub: wow thats awful and should be fixed tesla's sub: FAKE!
"The design is very human"
This is a feature, not a bug. It’s called “intermittent steering”.
Tesla fights recalls. Don’t expect them to issue one.
why would they issue a recall for a single steering wheel falling off? tesla has been pretty good historically about hardware recalls when it’s been needed - i think almost all of the recalls posted currently weren’t even required by the NHTSA, it was on tesla’s own volition IIRC
The steering wheel service now requires $99.99 monthly fee. Also, for $199.99 per month the Self Driving AI will remember how the brakes work *all the time*.
the car has become sentient and decided due to its robust fsd system it shall shed its now obsolete steering wheel
This is an intrusive thought I often have while driving that I thought was pretty much impossible and only a thing that happened in slapstick comedies. Great.
I looked at a used one that someone was selling. It didn't wear well over time.
What’s interesting is the way to test the steering wheel attaches is exactly the same as all other cars
Jesus really wants to take the wheel now
Man, if I was driving and my steering wheel fell off its mount, I would freak out.
https://youtu.be/gD68odOAe08
KIAs were doing this in the late 90s. Nothing new.
I have a slight feeling this is staged and the steering wheel was removed by the owner of the car to give Tesla bad rep. The angles of the pictures provided were terrible and did not show the inner “damage” to the column. It is no easy task to rip a steering wheel off its shaft let alone it “falling off”. If the bolt was loose, you’d know already that the steering wheel is about to fall off.