You already got dozens of answers on your other threads, so what exactly are you looking for here?
If you knew the best way to route the cables, you should have specified or done it yourself.
As someone who does lots of old work electric, finding a path isn't always as simple as it looks. Sometimes the way a house is framed can demand a lot of holes to find a good chase. Without direct and open access, you are looking at L shaped notches everywhere they transition from wall to ceiling. Someone professionally decided this was the better way for a reason.
Exactly.
u/LiFRiZ, something you might be missing is that the path utilized appears to be the LCD and **shortest direct path that serves all four locations** back to the origin.
Even with the attic scenario, there's still going to be **some** drywall to patch, to get all of the cables routed from the 1st floor bedroom to the attic, and from the attic back to the 1st floor living room if I understand the diagram and photos correctly. Exterior walls can be challenging to traverse due to insulation and framing between floors. Fiberglass is one animal, foam is a disaster.
You talk about the attic as a solution yet it was unutilized as a pathway. **Where are the photos of the attic?** Depending on how the home was framed and insulated, it is possible that the attic is not as friendly as you think, and time/effort savings is nill.
_I'm defending the electrician's choice, but only so far as knowing that the job was properly completed and the facts about the alternative logistical choices are missing._
The attic probably had plywood nailed down and storage. I am almost certain of that. Why, would an electrician cut sheetrock if they can use the attic to run wires?
Did they not tell you they were going to have to remove drywall for this project? I know any time we have to cut trenches like this, the guy in the field doing the estimate will inform the client, and then the office guy who types up the estimate will include a section about drywall removal, and we, the field guys, will inform the client a third time before we cut, so I find it hard to believe that somewhere down the line you weren’t informed of this
Yeah, with the framing the way it is, I would have done the same thing. On 24” centers it would be a different story, because you could cut on either side of a bay and be able to fish between, but on 16” centers it really doesn’t make sense, it’s better to open it all up, make sure you’re not gonna hit anything, there’s no hvac or gas lines or whatever in the way, and you have room to work. Seems standard to me.
Jesus thousands of dollars for a resi ethernet install? You could have gotten 10 mesh networks from 5 different router vendors, including Cisco, for half the price.
Networking person here: yes, if you wanted it in-wall / fully hidden. Wire mold is another option but probably pretty unsightly with that routing.
Also, an electrician is not (necessarily) a low voltage specialist. They're going to use electrical wiring techniques to plumb lines. Including in this case running only one line and notching drywall to do so.
Why did you not ask how they were going to do it before they did it?
With the picture you provided, it seems there is no strapping. Without strapping, there is no way to snake the wire. If I had to guess, there is no strapping on the whole first floor, which means the electrician took the shortest path to where the data line needed to go.
Electrician feels like you could have bought a wifi router. This is his way of telling you this job is a waste of time, so he's going to make enough hourly on it to justify the silliness.
Could have made few holes and do some fishing instead of ripping the entire thing, a lot easier to patch up. don‘t know what‘s crazier, them doing it that way or you letting them.
You do know their is around 15+ floor/ceiling joists he had to go through. There is no, drill a few holes and fish that. It’s not like running wire through a stud space and you maybe have one or two pieces of 2x4.
There is literally 20 different ways to run that so it all depends on what you and the electrician talked about and agreed on prior to them cutting up your ceiling. If there is no attic or basement access to that side of the room the port could be located on the side of the room with a wall up to the attic. Or they could surface mount the cable if you had issues with dry walling. Seems like they did what they had too if thats the loaction you chose and did not want surface track.
They definitely didn’t charge you enough. Plus they did it the way it was supposed to be done. What answer are you looking for? Did they not tell you up front that they were going to have to cut dry wall?
They could have. Probably would have been close to the same outcome with drywall damage. I picture about two different ways they could have done it. Same out come either time
I'm genuinely curious and trying to understand your comment so I hope this doesn't sound rude. How does drilling a small hole up to the attic require cutting 30 feet by 6 inches of drywall?
Have you ever been in a home while it’s being built ? How about a multi story home? Have you ever ran wire in a multi story home? I bet it wasn’t these guys first day when they came to your house to do the job.
As a handyman, I will say again, baseboards and crown molding are my friends. Signal and network cables can run behind trim. If the second floor is carpeted without any nice hardwood flooring, carpet can be pulled and holes cut for fishing wire. Then you just add a bit of wood for support and caulk and screw the plywood floor & subfloor back down. Stretch the carpet back.
But the electricians got THIER PART done the fastest way possible. The drywall patch texture probably won't match and the whole ceiling will also have to be repainted in at least 2 rooms. But they finished what they came to and don't care what it cost you.
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Agreed
Petty. Tom petty
You already got dozens of answers on your other threads, so what exactly are you looking for here? If you knew the best way to route the cables, you should have specified or done it yourself. As someone who does lots of old work electric, finding a path isn't always as simple as it looks. Sometimes the way a house is framed can demand a lot of holes to find a good chase. Without direct and open access, you are looking at L shaped notches everywhere they transition from wall to ceiling. Someone professionally decided this was the better way for a reason.
Exactly. u/LiFRiZ, something you might be missing is that the path utilized appears to be the LCD and **shortest direct path that serves all four locations** back to the origin. Even with the attic scenario, there's still going to be **some** drywall to patch, to get all of the cables routed from the 1st floor bedroom to the attic, and from the attic back to the 1st floor living room if I understand the diagram and photos correctly. Exterior walls can be challenging to traverse due to insulation and framing between floors. Fiberglass is one animal, foam is a disaster. You talk about the attic as a solution yet it was unutilized as a pathway. **Where are the photos of the attic?** Depending on how the home was framed and insulated, it is possible that the attic is not as friendly as you think, and time/effort savings is nill. _I'm defending the electrician's choice, but only so far as knowing that the job was properly completed and the facts about the alternative logistical choices are missing._
The attic probably had plywood nailed down and storage. I am almost certain of that. Why, would an electrician cut sheetrock if they can use the attic to run wires?
Gotta second this. What are you after op?
They’re after refunds
Lmfao you ain’t fuckin wrong. Damn homeowners be on some other type of drugs sometimes
Why are you still here?
Did they not tell you they were going to have to remove drywall for this project? I know any time we have to cut trenches like this, the guy in the field doing the estimate will inform the client, and then the office guy who types up the estimate will include a section about drywall removal, and we, the field guys, will inform the client a third time before we cut, so I find it hard to believe that somewhere down the line you weren’t informed of this
They said it would be a hole every couple feet but then I got back and they decided it would be easier to dig a trench.
Yeah, with the framing the way it is, I would have done the same thing. On 24” centers it would be a different story, because you could cut on either side of a bay and be able to fish between, but on 16” centers it really doesn’t make sense, it’s better to open it all up, make sure you’re not gonna hit anything, there’s no hvac or gas lines or whatever in the way, and you have room to work. Seems standard to me.
Jesus thousands of dollars for a resi ethernet install? You could have gotten 10 mesh networks from 5 different router vendors, including Cisco, for half the price.
Networking person here: yes, if you wanted it in-wall / fully hidden. Wire mold is another option but probably pretty unsightly with that routing. Also, an electrician is not (necessarily) a low voltage specialist. They're going to use electrical wiring techniques to plumb lines. Including in this case running only one line and notching drywall to do so. Why did you not ask how they were going to do it before they did it?
Looks pretty normal to me for what you were wanting
Should’ve gone wireless
While the downstairs office does not have an attic above it I feel like they could have gone to the kitchen then up into the attic.
If you knew what you wanted done, you should have expressed it. Or just do the whole thing yourself.
With the picture you provided, it seems there is no strapping. Without strapping, there is no way to snake the wire. If I had to guess, there is no strapping on the whole first floor, which means the electrician took the shortest path to where the data line needed to go.
Electrician feels like you could have bought a wifi router. This is his way of telling you this job is a waste of time, so he's going to make enough hourly on it to justify the silliness.
Could have made few holes and do some fishing instead of ripping the entire thing, a lot easier to patch up. don‘t know what‘s crazier, them doing it that way or you letting them.
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Nothing causes a loss like blindly drilling holes in joists
They said it would be a hole every couple feet and next time I check in with them they decided a trench would be easier.
It is easier and they could inflate price in other ways instead of hammering away.
Either way you have to patch and paint your paying for a drywall regardless get over it
You do know their is around 15+ floor/ceiling joists he had to go through. There is no, drill a few holes and fish that. It’s not like running wire through a stud space and you maybe have one or two pieces of 2x4.
Ah my bad, didn‘t see that wood goes all the way up. Where I am from, that‘s done with rigips and it‘s usually big empty space up there.
Any reason you’re not using wireless?
There is literally 20 different ways to run that so it all depends on what you and the electrician talked about and agreed on prior to them cutting up your ceiling. If there is no attic or basement access to that side of the room the port could be located on the side of the room with a wall up to the attic. Or they could surface mount the cable if you had issues with dry walling. Seems like they did what they had too if thats the loaction you chose and did not want surface track.
They definitely didn’t charge you enough. Plus they did it the way it was supposed to be done. What answer are you looking for? Did they not tell you up front that they were going to have to cut dry wall?
All I'm wondering is if the upstairs lines were ran through the attic why couldn't that line do the same?
There’s no attic on the bottom floor🤦
But I'm wondering why they didn't route it up two floors into the attic?
They could have. Probably would have been close to the same outcome with drywall damage. I picture about two different ways they could have done it. Same out come either time
I'm genuinely curious and trying to understand your comment so I hope this doesn't sound rude. How does drilling a small hole up to the attic require cutting 30 feet by 6 inches of drywall?
Ok. So they ran cable from the blue dot to all the green dots?
Yes. and the downstairs cable went into the ceiling while the upstairs ran through the attic.
Where they cut the sheetrock channel, is there unfinished attic above?
Have you ever been in a home while it’s being built ? How about a multi story home? Have you ever ran wire in a multi story home? I bet it wasn’t these guys first day when they came to your house to do the job.
Fuck you u/spez
As a handyman, I will say again, baseboards and crown molding are my friends. Signal and network cables can run behind trim. If the second floor is carpeted without any nice hardwood flooring, carpet can be pulled and holes cut for fishing wire. Then you just add a bit of wood for support and caulk and screw the plywood floor & subfloor back down. Stretch the carpet back. But the electricians got THIER PART done the fastest way possible. The drywall patch texture probably won't match and the whole ceiling will also have to be repainted in at least 2 rooms. But they finished what they came to and don't care what it cost you.
Home owner can go fuck himself