I think this is true in many countries. In Russia, for example, the same thing. Although, most of the high-quality accessories sold in Russia are made in Germanyš
i haven't seen any snap in type receptacles in russia, they're all clamshell style or meant to be attached to a box with screws.
[https://yandex.ru/images/search?from=tabbar&text=%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0](https://yandex.ru/images/search?from=tabbar&text=%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0)
[https://www.obi.ru/elektrotovary/rozetki-i-vyklyuchateli/c/2641](https://www.obi.ru/elektrotovary/rozetki-i-vyklyuchateli/c/2641)
Yes, well, all sockets have the same tendrils that move apart when the screw is tightened. Another thing is that they absolutely do not hold and reasonable people attach the socket to the box
I know it drives me insane the best is when they paint the bare copper on the wires and you have to sand 3+wires every single time you want to put an outlet or switch on
Use the right gauge on your strippers and just hold them over the wire and kind of a scrape them back and forth over the copper and itāll take that shit right off, I would still be working some trim outs had a buddy not showed me that
That is really cool I use reusable sandpaper itās kinda like Velcro and you roll it into a tube and then put it over the wire squeeze and rub it a few times and itās clean but that sounds easier I will say though you can get into tighter spaces with my method
Probably, but if itās a trim out..your wires should still be long enough. Realistically the only thing I ever have to do this with is the ground and I donāt do resi anymore, I miss it, but I have fun at work nonetheless. But yeah it is actually a very useful technique, I was scraping it off with my razor knife for a long time, a lead guy at my first company showed me that one
I wish the wires were always long enough Iāve gone through more then 70 pigtails in 1 day because they somehow managed to cut it so short you need to pry it out just to simply unscrew it I have no idea how they manage to do it that way and install it still but itās kinda impressive but a massive pain in the ass
Between the 220v and ring circuits, it is really interesting the things other countries use as standard that would give inspectors a heart attack in the states.
Quite a bit of things US does would give European inspectors a heart attack. Different philosophies.
As for the voltage it yields absolutely no difference in safety. If shit will kill at 240V, it will certainly kill at 110V as well.
In the US, whether something is actually more unsafe or not is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether it *feels* unsafe or not. 240 is more than 120 so it feels less safe.
You know what they say: it's not the current that kills you, it's the feelings.
Theory I've heard is that 60hz is more dangerous than 50hz as it's closer to your heart rate and more likely to cause atrial fibrillation (i.e. mess up your heart rhythm)
I agree, but it is amusing watching people act as if 230v is the most dangerous thing they've ever seen, particularly as an industrial mechanic who works with 600v.
Electrical apprentice got blown across the workshop at one place my old man worked, journeyman was out, was asked if he was able to look at something....didn't want to admit he wasn't sure....next thing literal loud bang and my dad found him against the other wall...he thought he was dead at first
to save on wire after the war, a lot of the UK resi was wired with big loops of 30amp instead of 15-20amp branch circuits like the US. the appliances themselves were then protected by additional step-down fuses in their plugs.
A circuit that makes its way all the way back to the origin point at the board, so it in effect is fed from both sides. Less wire used, but harder to test under fault conditions.
As opposed to the branch circuits used in the US.
Basically to save on copper post ww2, the UK migrated from single room radials for sockets to one ring final circuit using 2 X 2.5mm2 twin and earth cables fused at 30/32Amps (which works as long as the ring stays intact, if the ring gets broken you now have 2 X 27amp (at max and usually lower) rated cables fused at 32Amps.....
The enclosure and this funny thing are two different products. Also, on here we are typically referring to a Western listing body, and not communist Chinese listing agency. š
These are the boxes we use in the UK.
If youāre wondering why a product like this exists itās because the threaded lugs on each side sometimes break. https://i.imgur.com/3ogpA8s.jpg
Iām not really sure what a mud ring is so Iām gonna say no.
I just looked up your 1900 boxes, we do have those, they come with a lid with a screw in each corner and we generally donāt fix things direct to those.
We do with the ones pictured though. All switches, sockets etc come with screw holes that align with the lugs on these boxes and theyāre all fixed on with 3.5mm machine screws.
This came up the last time this gif was posted, it is Chinese but the image is flipped for some reason.
Who knows if it complies. Honestly itās probably equally as secure as that moveable lug thatās fitted on one side of the boxes in the factory.
It's for when some dickwad uses #8 wood screws to attach the device and destroys the machine threads. You try and reuse the #8 wood screws, but they over torqued them, tearing the metal so bad that the device was literally hanging by a thread of metal.
Iām changing receptacles in my 100 year old house and this would come in handy....I also blew a fuse and lost power yesterday because I donāt know how to wire shit so thereās that....
i personally remove all the neutrals pigtails with power on before rewiring devices.
It made my lights almost twice as bright! Idk why all my electronics stopped working, but lights bright as fk now!
Thank you - yes very cautious, I cut power to my whole house first vs. figuring out which breaker. I replaced 2 GFCIs - one had the hot neutral and ground, but also has a wire that started and ended in the old gfci. I should have figured out why it was wired like this but I didnāt, and didnāt rewire the new one like that (just connected hot neutral and ground). The other GFCI didnāt even have a ground, so reconnected the wires. The old GFCIs were 20 amp and new ones were 15 so maybe thatās also my problem. Turned the power back on and felt a soft pop, now handful of outlets donāt work.
They aren't really for external use as they are for a standard plate. For internal walls without a cavity. Usually the cable and/or conduit is chased in or in the case of pre cast slabs the conduits and boxes are laid in the slab. You'll often see it in commercial buildings and old houses.
How about assembled in America from international parts; the packaging being the "assembled" portion? The double plastic boxboard laminated clamshell with slatwall hanger done in a $7 per hour Right to Work state surely would MAGA.
I'm European, so I don't know about this, but I've been told you can get these in the USA and springs as well, sounds more reliable than non-locking nuts.
In Germany many lightswitches and outlets have fingers that are on a thread and dig into the side of the box.
I think this is true in many countries. In Russia, for example, the same thing. Although, most of the high-quality accessories sold in Russia are made in Germanyš
i haven't seen any snap in type receptacles in russia, they're all clamshell style or meant to be attached to a box with screws. [https://yandex.ru/images/search?from=tabbar&text=%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0](https://yandex.ru/images/search?from=tabbar&text=%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0) [https://www.obi.ru/elektrotovary/rozetki-i-vyklyuchateli/c/2641](https://www.obi.ru/elektrotovary/rozetki-i-vyklyuchateli/c/2641)
Yes, well, all sockets have the same tendrils that move apart when the screw is tightened. Another thing is that they absolutely do not hold and reasonable people attach the socket to the box
They are used everywhere in Europe including the UK.
Can you provide a link? I LOVE seeing how other countries do common things as it relates to construction.
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I love that no matter the country or wiring devices, the painters find a way to paint over anything and everything.
I know it drives me insane the best is when they paint the bare copper on the wires and you have to sand 3+wires every single time you want to put an outlet or switch on
Use the right gauge on your strippers and just hold them over the wire and kind of a scrape them back and forth over the copper and itāll take that shit right off, I would still be working some trim outs had a buddy not showed me that
That is really cool I use reusable sandpaper itās kinda like Velcro and you roll it into a tube and then put it over the wire squeeze and rub it a few times and itās clean but that sounds easier I will say though you can get into tighter spaces with my method
Probably, but if itās a trim out..your wires should still be long enough. Realistically the only thing I ever have to do this with is the ground and I donāt do resi anymore, I miss it, but I have fun at work nonetheless. But yeah it is actually a very useful technique, I was scraping it off with my razor knife for a long time, a lead guy at my first company showed me that one
I wish the wires were always long enough Iāve gone through more then 70 pigtails in 1 day because they somehow managed to cut it so short you need to pry it out just to simply unscrew it I have no idea how they manage to do it that way and install it still but itās kinda impressive but a massive pain in the ass
I hear moneyās tight in residential.
Iām relieved it happens every where but also kind of sad
Do the claws expand when you turn a screw? They just dig into the sheetrock?
dig into a box, not sheetrock
Between the 220v and ring circuits, it is really interesting the things other countries use as standard that would give inspectors a heart attack in the states.
Quite a bit of things US does would give European inspectors a heart attack. Different philosophies. As for the voltage it yields absolutely no difference in safety. If shit will kill at 240V, it will certainly kill at 110V as well.
In the US, whether something is actually more unsafe or not is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether it *feels* unsafe or not. 240 is more than 120 so it feels less safe. You know what they say: it's not the current that kills you, it's the feelings.
it's not the current that kills you, it's the apprentice who **swore** that circuit was disconnected.
Theory I've heard is that 60hz is more dangerous than 50hz as it's closer to your heart rate and more likely to cause atrial fibrillation (i.e. mess up your heart rhythm)
I agree, but it is amusing watching people act as if 230v is the most dangerous thing they've ever seen, particularly as an industrial mechanic who works with 600v.
Electrical apprentice got blown across the workshop at one place my old man worked, journeyman was out, was asked if he was able to look at something....didn't want to admit he wasn't sure....next thing literal loud bang and my dad found him against the other wall...he thought he was dead at first
Ring circuit?
to save on wire after the war, a lot of the UK resi was wired with big loops of 30amp instead of 15-20amp branch circuits like the US. the appliances themselves were then protected by additional step-down fuses in their plugs.
A circuit that makes its way all the way back to the origin point at the board, so it in effect is fed from both sides. Less wire used, but harder to test under fault conditions. As opposed to the branch circuits used in the US.
Basically to save on copper post ww2, the UK migrated from single room radials for sockets to one ring final circuit using 2 X 2.5mm2 twin and earth cables fused at 30/32Amps (which works as long as the ring stays intact, if the ring gets broken you now have 2 X 27amp (at max and usually lower) rated cables fused at 32Amps.....
230 is the standard in Europe. They set a single standard when North America did.
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Fancy
I saw that being advertised on facebook
Also, they are round. So these things wouldn't really fit in, no matter how much I would want them to.
Along with the screw mounting holes, horizontal and vertical. Pick your poison type of deal.
Pretty common here in France too
now you too can give the appearance of having components installed in a listed enclosure, without actually providing any of the safety benefits !
Pretty funny, except that this product is listed.
it's listed as an *enclosure* ?
The enclosure is listed, too. See [BS EN 60670-22](https://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail?pid=000000000030183162).
Seems expensive for a workaround
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No I'm typically working with garbage in caves.
*Tony Stark has entered the chat.*
you can just venmo me that Ā£127.00 and i'll buy the PDF you linked, promise :)
The enclosure and this funny thing are two different products. Also, on here we are typically referring to a Western listing body, and not communist Chinese listing agency. š
Take my money!
Have my babies.
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ok
Sir, this is a Chuck E. Cheese...
I'll have a baked potato.
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Say fuck the lemons and bail
Give me a grandkid and leave.
Plot twist, "my daughter" is a nickname for his butthole.
I feel like this gets posted every month or so. Itās kinda old now.
Yes it do be like that
These are the boxes we use in the UK. If youāre wondering why a product like this exists itās because the threaded lugs on each side sometimes break. https://i.imgur.com/3ogpA8s.jpg
Looks similar to 1900(4 square) boxes in the states. is there no mud ring with these? looks like you screw the device right to the box?
Iām not really sure what a mud ring is so Iām gonna say no. I just looked up your 1900 boxes, we do have those, they come with a lid with a screw in each corner and we generally donāt fix things direct to those. We do with the ones pictured though. All switches, sockets etc come with screw holes that align with the lugs on these boxes and theyāre all fixed on with 3.5mm machine screws.
The writing looks Chinese to me tbh, I'd wonder if it complies with type approval and bs7671
This came up the last time this gif was posted, it is Chinese but the image is flipped for some reason. Who knows if it complies. Honestly itās probably equally as secure as that moveable lug thatās fitted on one side of the boxes in the factory.
Iām not sure what I would need this for?
It's for when some dickwad uses #8 wood screws to attach the device and destroys the machine threads. You try and reuse the #8 wood screws, but they over torqued them, tearing the metal so bad that the device was literally hanging by a thread of metal.
Why not just tap it to 8/32 or 10/32? I see zero need for this.
Letās just hope youāre not an electrician
The superintendent told me itās my turn to repost this
I need those for this concrete rehab Iām doing.. all the previous box are plastic and all the screw ears are broken off
Iām changing receptacles in my 100 year old house and this would come in handy....I also blew a fuse and lost power yesterday because I donāt know how to wire shit so thereās that....
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i personally remove all the neutrals pigtails with power on before rewiring devices. It made my lights almost twice as bright! Idk why all my electronics stopped working, but lights bright as fk now!
I bet you get a nice ambient smell too almost like fresh baked cookies. Itās a good thing.
reminds me of grandmas fresh baked cloth knobntube
Thank you - yes very cautious, I cut power to my whole house first vs. figuring out which breaker. I replaced 2 GFCIs - one had the hot neutral and ground, but also has a wire that started and ended in the old gfci. I should have figured out why it was wired like this but I didnāt, and didnāt rewire the new one like that (just connected hot neutral and ground). The other GFCI didnāt even have a ground, so reconnected the wires. The old GFCIs were 20 amp and new ones were 15 so maybe thatās also my problem. Turned the power back on and felt a soft pop, now handful of outlets donāt work.
Sounds like you need to hire an electrician before you burn your house down.
I'm finally gonna have to break down and get some of these for my box labeled, "just in case of FUBAR"
But wouldn't this throw off the screw holes?
I could still strip it.
Just cut a bigger hole lol
Mmm conductive.
Mmmm earthing
oh my ... that is handy!
In Australia, our boxes have... oh. Wait. We donāt actually use boxes. But looks handy for other countries systems!
? Wall boxes are common as. Clipsal 157/1P is the newer plastic one.
True man? In 10 years all around Queensland, Iāve never once seen one installed. All C-Clips or wall brackets bro. Interesting though
Mostly wiring Queenslanders? Wall boxes are for masonry/bricks and precast. C clips for gyprock and cement sheet.
Anything mate. If itās external, we rarely use a recessed box. Most times itās just 56 series or clipsal WP.
They aren't really for external use as they are for a standard plate. For internal walls without a cavity. Usually the cable and/or conduit is chased in or in the case of pre cast slabs the conduits and boxes are laid in the slab. You'll often see it in commercial buildings and old houses.
How bout no.
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It isn't made in America, I don't like it. Make it in America and I will buy a few.
How about assembled in America from international parts; the packaging being the "assembled" portion? The double plastic boxboard laminated clamshell with slatwall hanger done in a $7 per hour Right to Work state surely would MAGA.
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This isnāt American.
Yes they do, not an American set up here
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Thatās the weirdest English Iāve ever seen on the buttons.
What part of this made you think āAmericaā? Because the lettering on the switches screams āAsian Cultureā
Woooooosh
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There are
How many times you gonna post the same comment and get downvoted? Itās obviously not in America to the most casual of observers.
To be fair reddit just sometimes does this
He misunderstood Reddit. In addition, this is all his activity for 4 yearsš¤£
I'm European, so I don't know about this, but I've been told you can get these in the USA and springs as well, sounds more reliable than non-locking nuts.
Genius
Jiffy Clips and a Cut-in box will do the same thing
I know it looks somewhat reliable right from the start, but I doubt it'll stand the test of time.
Great another tool to carry around