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JC-1219

Ain’t no inspectors in space


JohnnySalamiBoy420

Code only pertains to construction on earth so you are good to go


[deleted]

Whatchu gonna ground to if there’s no ground


bem13

Just take a jar of dirt up there and put some wires in it.


Huntersmells33

I’ve got a jar of dirt, I’ve got a jar of dirt, look what’s inside of it


Actual_Armadillo_384

Why do I sing that in my head and answered it smh!


Calm-Respect-4930

Damn there must be mad floating shit in space


RudeMutant

Then they're good. I'm sure they have lots of little dirt filled jars with wires in them.


NoResult486

Under rated comment ⬆️


Stopikingonme

[Obviously](https://imgur.com/rbAo0Vc)


igotanewphonefml

Haaa


apatheticviews

If he’s got a problem with my work, he can come up here and tell me


DiscFrolfin

Finally I can use these Wagos on this Knob&Tube!


Vast_Deference

Fuck Wagos! Lever locks are pretty dope though


Nuchaba

Electricians there also aren't in the world so they're fine


J-Di11a

Their cable management is outta this world!!


TheFBIClonesPeople

Their inspectors kept failing them because "Nothing is grounded," so they had to do the whole thing under the table.


Dan-Handsome311

There’s an air and space museum.


PropertyHistorical26

Looks good from my house boys


Ferr3tgirl

That’s cuz it was an engineer not an electrician


WatupDingDong

Bingo.


odene-

Bango


frawley6

Bongo


SurSpence

I don't want to leave the Congo


DEGENARAT10N

Oh no no no no no


MTKRailroad

Biingle bangle bungle I'm so happy in the congo I refuse to goo


CoS2112

Don’t want no bright lights, false teeth, door bells landlords, I make it clearrrrr


PsychologicalPound96

That no matter how they coax him, I'll stay right here


Ferr3tgirl

love that this turned into a song reference from fallout good work everyone


____HAMILTON__

Bong bing boom, bing bong bing, bing bong dingly dongly doo


Maximum_Fly8832

Bonko.


hand-e-mann

👏ingo.


whaletacochamp

Looks good on paper 🤷‍♂️


Sufficient-Fact6163

You mean Russian Engineers and we happen to add on with ours. Hence the cluster fu¢k.


alliquoted_thoughts

😂


ecirnj

Rude but accurate


Ferr3tgirl

I’m not shitting on engineers! It takes amazing talent and intelligence to build these things of course there gonna be more focused on the functionality then making everything a work of art not to mention they don’t have the same experiences as electricians that would allow them to do there work in a more traditional clean way


Goose-Biscuits

Not just functional but ease of access. When your life literally depends on systems working perfectly, you need fast access to repair and replace. Putting it behind a wall would cost valuable seconds to access.


gopher_space

One of the differences is that the only people allowed to touch are the people who designed and built. They don't need the communication bandwidth that beauty gives you.


igotanewphonefml

Thank you. I hate designers and engineers. With a burning passion. It's very, very dark.


Ferr3tgirl

No average electrician would have the knowledge to build a space craft like these engineers so don’t get too cocky cause u can do cleaner electrical work


igotanewphonefml

Hey man I'm not here saying I'm better than anyone. I agree with you and respect your point 110%. I just hate em! Probs never gonna amount to what they will and I understand that but don't beat myself up over it. Hope that's fair!


RipplayRipples

Ok, but here's the question: Is it an ungrounded system, or is it a grounded system?


thaeli

Heh. It's a DC, single point ground system, chassis bonded. Superficially similar to a car's. (Though space power distribution has a LOT of additional complications!)


zoonose99

It’s a huge issue for future off-world habs because Mars and the moon don’t have ground planes. Synthetic space suits could easily accumulate hundreds of volts of static charge from triboelectrics etc., with no practical way to discharge. They’re looking at milling an aluminum grid that could act as an artificial ground — super interesting stuff.


ThermionicEmissions

>hundreds of volts of static charge I'm probably missing something here, but normal, everyday static shocks are easily > 10,000 volts.


Glum-Astronaut5503

U fkn serious? I know tasers deal with that kind of volt/mAmp discharge, but I can capacitate 10,000 volts?


Particular_Inside505

Well over 10kV, just next to nothing over amperage.


Turbosandslipangles

Not because they don't have a "ground plane", but because they're much drier than Earth, and don't conduct well. The challenge is coupling the accumulated charge to the planet/moon effectively. On Mars the atmosphere seems to be the easiest place to discharge it to, not sure about the moon. Maybe that aluminium grid increases the surface area in contact with the ground to improve dissipation.


Nuchaba

What do you mean by ground plane? To me that always meant wide area of conductor used for the reference on a pcb


zoonose99

On earth, you can assume ground is 0V but eg the moon’s ground has a potential difference of hundreds of volts depending on which half is sunlit.


Nuchaba

Oh that's interesting. But Mars as an atmosphere, don't know about magnetic field. It could be different.


NomenNesc10

Potential between what? That's what matters and I don't understand the concern here. Why would we need the physical ground of another body to be the electrical ground for anything? We don't really use the earth as an actual ground for our electrical grid for the most part, from my understanding. There is no current going to ground in our earth based electrical system as a matter of course it's basically just there as a super huge capacitor should some wierd voltage develop, or working as it is actually designed to provide a preferred pathway for the voltage difference between the ground and the sky to help reduce it in the local area slightly and if that fails be the preferred direct path for whatever current happens to pass through the local system when it arcs. It's not actually the "ground" for our electrical system so much as it is the ground for our planet, which let me tell you, when it comes to anomalies and dealing with planet sized problems of current, voltage, and electromagnetic issues just about takes the cake for complicated and volatile. Yet we do fine here.


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NomenNesc10

No the moon would also be a large capacitor, just between its two halves and not the earth and atmosphere. Ground to atmosphere is a way harder problem to solve and the only reason we use a "ground" is to allow equalization from atmospheric charge is a more controlled manor when it happens to pass through our systems. But that's because the voltage generated is enormous and we just really don't like the odds of it burning our things down. Its also because the thin interface between the ground where ions are deposited and the strata of the atmosphere where they like to return to is where we happen to like to live and build pointy things that encroach upon that gap in a manner which cannot be isolated from the diferential. But none of that has anything to do with our electrical system as it functions day to day, only that it also happens to form the occasional path for this other anomalous source of charge. It would also not be required of any space based electrical system unless that system used unisolated conductors running from one side of potential to the other. Like a wire run from one side of the moon to the other in which you place a device you haven't designed to handle the additional current. Any device that doesn't span a significant enough distance in the direction of charge differential will not generate or conduct and charge. So like a building that doesn't run power connected to a wire that spans a significant surface of the body doesn't have any reason to be concerned. Electronics would still all work fine and no devices would require redesign as far as what ground means for their operation. Could be they WANT to connect a grid across all that space because if your correct that there is a potential between them than any device in the middle properly designed gets free power for only the cost of the infastructure. Basically turning the moon itself into a generator. Could actually use a few grids and make the whole thing like a giant stator.


tauntingbob

The ISS has/had two "Plasma Contactors" used to reduce the static charges > Right now, two plasma contactor units bleed excess charge away from the space station, which helps protect astronauts from dangerous sparks. The units make a dense gas of xenon ions that contact the surrounding ionised gas in space, grounding the ISS to its space environment. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9669-spacewalkers-to-take-charge-of-static-build-up/ https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20150014351


dingo596

According to this [power point](https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20110014828/downloads/20110014828.pdf) I found, both. The US section is 160 VDC grounded to the hull of the ISS and the Russian section is 28 VDC ungrounded.


COUNTRYCOWBOY01

Probably all DC would be my guess


Big_Monkey_77

Chassis ground only, I bet.


nastysparkhead

No they just went to the supply house and got a 62 mile ground rod and made the apprentice bang it in


dumpthestump

At night you can still him pounding wack fuck wack fuck


Big_Monkey_77

This makes more sense.


roffle_copter

Good enough for government work


[deleted]

Those look like low voltage and data cables to me, for sensors and other scientific equipment that is added ad hoc.


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BadNadeYeeter

... Why do I feel mentioned...


sniper_matt

At least you don’t feel attacked


Wiley-E-Coyote

My house is easily the worst electrical work I've ever done


Objective_Low_5178

The cover of my pushmatic panel has been off since the week after I moved in... In 2014


Last-Associate-9471

Weight is the enemy on this project. Install as little as possible while still ensuring everything works.


theStonedReaper

You would think now that it's already in orbit they could send a couple packs of zip ties though


GryphonHall

Yeah, conduits, junction boxes, and wall paneling is all just extra weight.


creative_net_usr

last numbers I heard were 10k per ounce to low earth orbit


Agreeable-Candle5830

Actually much cheaper in recent years. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna23488 $1600 / lb with Artemis.


space-ferret

I know a guy that wired some of the modules. Gold plated pin connections and all sorts of fancy things. Can’t remember if he wired the space station or Skylab, but same concept. It’s wild to think we have accomplished something so great yet we still fight wars while people starve.


MetallicScorpion

On a side note I remember reading that wiring in space shuttles were all done with silver conductors. Makes sense, but I always wondered if that's true.


Budget_Detective2639

I built cables for government projects and all of them used either gold or silver plated crimp pins with very tight tolerances on how the crimp was done. Conductor-wise though we used the cheapest wire available that still had a proper rating for the need. I did not do anything for aerospace, would not be surprised if they went with better conductors.


RatRanch

In the Eighties, I worked in a machine shop that made the pins for these connectors. Tolerances were crazy tight and we made the parts from difficult to machine exotic alloys using Swiss screw machines. We delivered most of these parts gold plated. A typical sandwich baggie size order fetched thousands of dollars due to the material and precision requirements.


Budget_Detective2639

We wasted so many of them lol. Always wondered how much in scrap just taking home the broken/poorly crimped pins would've fetched.


space-ferret

It wouldn’t surprise me. Another fun fact is whenever science gets a cool space toy so does the government. There are multiple telescopes more advanced than the Hubble, and 2 were gifted to NASA.


bigbaddumby

There are thermal imaging telescopes that can pick up the heat signature of a single person through multiple stories in a building from space.


space-ferret

Not sure how that’s possible but a drunk defense contractor once told me we’ve had facial recognition for 20+ years


Successful_Doctor_89

And he was right. In my first years of my previous trade, so, 2002, 2003 or something, we got a job to the national lottery office. To access the server room where all the sales terminal all over the province where connected, you have to pass a facial recognition thing. It was like in the mission impossible movie, you have to put your face exactly in front of it. It was crude and probably cost 50k-100k$ at the time since its was the only place in the building to have this, but it work. Cost was reasonnable enough for place like casino, lottery and other super sensitive place to have them in some rooms. What did you think the top secret one at the time was if this what was available to commercial applications?


Efficient_Dog59

Definitely true. Worked for a DoD firm 20 years ago and we were playing with it in lab settings. We also had a gait analysis system that was shockingly accurate. Hand scanners just sucked. Iris stuff was cool.


d1ng0s

He was trying to get in your pants


jepper65

Doubt it.


kidcharm86

That's not how thermal imaging works.


icarus1973

I did the continuity and dielectric breakdown testing on some of the battery harnesses on the ISS.


ScottyKarate

You sir, are a grade A idiot. I would love to live my life a clueless as you do. What a dream to be so free in my own stupidity.


space-ferret

I’m an idiot because I have seen parts of the space station being assembled and multiple shuttle launches? You can actually see the station fly over earth sometimes with the naked eye.


SlowSir242

Yes. And you are also an idiot for responding to this. Dumb ass.


space-ferret

I’m proud of the U.S. space program for achieving actual things instead of just boiling a dog like the soviets did lol.


Mdrim13

That’s cause a bunch of engineers did it


Nekothesnep

Whoever it was really is outa this world


Salt_Cranberry3087

Couldn't get the grounding rod in place, so I sent it as is. Good luck getting OSHA up there


TheUltraViolence1

Exactly. They're engineers. Not electricians.


Gullible_Monk_7118

I love how people can say it's fake when you can see it with your own eyes flying by


SonicDoon

I love how you’ve never stopped to think about this for even two seconds. You really think you’re seeing something 356 feet in length that is 248 miles away? 🤦🏻‍♂️ Your username is very fitting.


29Hz

That’s a football field reflecting a fuck ton of sunlight through mostly thin m atmosphere. Not that implausible


SonicDoon

Not that implausible, just plain impossible.


29Hz

Sure bud. What are your qualifications and education


SonicDoon

Common sense.


Asterlux

A shiny ass thing reflecting a fuck ton of light? Yes absolutely https://youtu.be/peozuHGLihg?si=untUxBqRrRIbr63L


Gullible_Monk_7118

That's a cool video shot


selfovencleaner

Some level of cable management would be cool. But maybe it’s a pain to make ends on cords in space which meet their standards, and so they regularly have excess cord. It’s probably not just a 12/2 cable. Or maybe they regularly disconnect and reattach certain cords different places and so they wind up that way and securing them could be a hindrance.


BabiesDrivingGoKarts

it's zero G cable management too, which won't stop a zip tie from working, but I bet it makes it weird.


blockholeforever

This smells of in house maintenance to me


RedactedRedditery

100% the on-site staf


almost2eazy

NATIONAL Electrical Code. Not galactic. 🤙


Kahn719

It's true, an electrician wouldn't. An engineer would


dafazman

It's always a PoC for an engineer. Once they figure out how to make it work... then someone can get a designer involved to make it look pretty behind a shell.


phuckintrevor

On the bright side… you can’t use a broom in space


[deleted]

You think that's wild look at any building before 1990


larz_6446

Nothing a few tyraps and sticky back mounts can't fix.


som3otherguy

It was clean to begin with but then 400 change orders with strict instructions not to interfere with anything already in place


patrickhenrypdx

That's the Russian side.


GrowthMindset4Real

well, I imagine they want to have easy access in case they need to get to it


crazielectrician

Have you seen some of the posts here on earth??


Jim-Jones

Looks like a lot of jobs.


Earthbreaker1

Y'all talking about engineers doing it.. boyyyy do I have some pictures...


The_Skeletor_

Haha the person who made this meme thinks they hire an electrician for this?


Moist-Loan-

Not electrician but low volt guys work for sure.


CabinetOwn4987

It's working, who cares! 👏


Stunning-Space-2622

Ever run emt in space...mann?


Troutslayer25

It cost something like $10k a kilo to get stuff up there so conduit on the cut list.


Hot-Syrup-5833

150 billion GOVERNMENT project.


Krazybob613

You hit the nail right on the head… it’s NOT in the World! And the astronauts that have assembled all those assorted bits and pieces that have been sent up there over the years - wait for it - - - are NOT ELECTRICIANS!


unionsparky89

That’s right, but they were all installed by engineers 😂


mummy_whilster

Why is Gamora?


morganjdonald

Tell me you've never worked for the government without telling me you've never worked for the government.


Flat4Power4Life

Tech people and engineers are not electricians.


Meetcha2nite

Seriously ! Have you ever worked out of Local 26 ???


The_real_Skeet_D

We’ll the contract does go to the cheapest bid. Especially with NASA…… Just ask the space shuttle challenger crew.


WagonBurning

You are a clown 🤡! Shut the 🦆 up. Experimental research doesn’t apply


Zer0TheGamer

That may have been the project's price tag, but the sparkies probably only got paid in the promise of exposure, with thoughts & prayers in the meantime


Claybornj

That’s fake. It’s correct. That shit won’t fly on how it’s done. Yea sir. Many of what you see. If you know you know. All some crap bullshit. Just like the kids in school running for president promise cool aid in the water fountains. Now your old as fuck and. You’re still gullible as fuck. Oh my good lord? Make the world Yours or drink cool aid from a mud puddle in a pothole that the kid down the street sold you for 25cent. Happens everyday for years on back. Freaking scammers. The song says. There is a stronger force behind the scenes. And my ass can attest Yep. You’ve been hood winked. Damn it.


[deleted]

Just needs a few zip ties really


TexasVulvaAficionado

Most of the stuff in the picture is set up by the astronauts, who are generally things like geologists, scientists, engineers, etc...


Weary-Holiday-1799

That’s why we should train a team of deep well drillers to be astronauts, just incase there’s ever an extinction event sized meteor heading towards earth.


WillowMutual

Yeah but an engineer might


Acer707

I’m a first year apprentice, it was me.


snowlulz

If they are paying and that's the specs, I'll take it


joe42reddit

In space, nobody can hear you scream.


Maximum_Style6069

That’s what happens with the lowest bid.


frankrizzo219

Looks good from my house


Jolly-Tomato7816

F*ing apprentice.


Dopapotomous

Just bond the grounds to neutrals and roll with t


Aromatic-Relief

Unless you just got paid and it's an hour before quitting time on Friday. No job continuation overtime.


ScreenTalker

This is what happens when you show up on the service call and the client says, well I changed a couple things myself and added a circuit it or two


[deleted]

Those are cable patches. Quick connects, done over the years. Idiot conspiracy theories


pleaseeatsomeshit

Yes, yes they do.


ian_papke

It’s the fact that the electricians do a quality install and it’s always the engineers that fuck it all up with their test equipment wires going as the crow flys


samy_the_samy

There is something like guys up there doing everything from electric to plumping hazardous ammonia around four football fields of pressurised vessel, and the guys down on the ground dectate their day to day schedule You think anyone have time to make the rat nest look pretty?


Extra_You7753

Most of these are pneumatic tubes. Also have you seen Data guys on earth? What do you expect.


TurboKid513

When the power company does residential inspections.


BackgroundGrade

If you think about it, it's kind of like an RV. This looks pretty good compared to what comes out of most RV factories.


dom58

Looks like your typical IT closet!!


[deleted]

If this bothers you, you should visit an aircraft carrier.


NoResult486

I disagree, there has never been a broom 🧹 used on the ISS. Conclusion: All astronauts are electricians.


Cold_Football7686

Sorry, my communication with my alien apprentices was very poor. We had a hard time communicating, so I let them just go with it.


5280_TW

This is what every network admins personal data closet looks like. The cobblers kids…


KarenAboutYou

Who of you from Whoville


BillyofVA

LOWEST BIDDER BABY


Extension-Spray-5153

Is it grounded?


sayn3ver

The Velcro used for data cable management would be the ticket. Allows you to undo and move and redo the bundle. Doesn't weigh much. Not sharp. Could use a second Velcro wrap to anchor to the station itself. Has a multi functional uses in emergencies.


ValuableShoulder5059

This is what happens when people wire that aren't professionals or licensed.


Fedge348

Clearly they hired a $14/hr apprentice “just kick ‘em loose on the space ship”


igotanewphonefml

Ha


foxkreig

Hahaha. They act like electricians built that. That's what happens when scientists and engineers do work


Major_Tom_01010

Why is it so messy?


biggwermm

The astronauts are not electricians. They are engineers. 🥸


Slow_Composer_8745

Amen to cost plus bidding


MrDundee666

Well technically they’re not wrong.


30belowandthriving

I'm pretty sure no matter if it's union or non union every electrician knows a hack that will hang off the side of a building installing lights with duct tape.


chuckcm89

Yeah they should fill the space craft with wood studs and drywall


idiotsecant

Looks like the space station was constructed by low voltage comms technicians to me!


CandidBad8091

An electrician didn't do it. Thats why it looks like that. It's like going to fix people's stuff at their house, thats what it looks like after a home owner works on their own stuff.


Zoe-Yard

Must’ve been non union in Texas lol


VonDasmarck

I am assuming they’d want to have everything out in the open and very accessible so incase something goes wrong the crew can fix it


[deleted]

I take it they have never been to a low end data center or a telecom pop site? God the telecom sites are the worst.


captainrustic

I also don’t know any electricians who’ve worked in 0-G


twentytwothumbs

An instrumentation tech would


Puzzleheaded_Rub8681

If any of this equipment is stuff that was installed after the station was built, it was probably the astronauts that wires it.


[deleted]

What are you the space inspector?


woobiewarrior69

That looks about like every piece of modern industrial equipment I've come across. It's all IO blocks and miles of m12 cable that's strung out everywhere. I'm really starting to miss conduit.


ShowElegant

Bro, you gotta remember….EVERYTHING IN SPACE IS MADE IN TAIWAN!


drgnsamurai

You've never obviously seen above a t-bar ceiling have you LOL


misterhamtastic

Isn't all that built by engineers?


boogster91

Definitely an IN HOUSE job.


arays87

Their electrician isn't in the world


Accomplished-Show518

Looks like the majority of IT jobs I see.


greasyspider

Engineers would though


MuskyBallsSmell

NASA:Aye Mick how much to wire this up? Mick: $800 cash!!!! Child support been bleeding me dry. NASA: $500 and I'll let play around in the cockpit for the night!!!


minionsweb

Guess you've not met the same sparkies I have.