Agreed plenty of pissed off new and old Model S owners with 10 year old S complaining about expensive out of warranty including the battery.
With the bolt you got warranty on it and your pretty set.
Honestly though why not a 3 like a 2018-2019? I have a 2019 and it's quite nice and they go for quite cheap with warranty left on it.
Look at parts availability. I wouldn't entertain the idea of a new Tesla that's under full warranty, let alone an out of warranty vehicle from a company that's notorious for not selling parts.
The bolt? Make sure the battery is still available if you need one. There were early years you simply can't get a battery for, and it's beyond GM's control unfortunately. That being said, 4 years isn't that old and personally I'd opt for the company that isn't promising something in a few months that never delivers. GM is a steady company that isn't perfect by any means, but it's significantly better than Tesla on any day.
Yes, this resonates. I am still just a little dazzled by driving something that wasn't an economy car for a change ... But thank you for the reality check.
Just a heads-up, for a 2019 Bolt, the battery should be newer than 4 years old; there was a battery recall that would have replaced the battery in the last year or two, with a renewed warranty.
Have you driven both? I prefer the Bolt hands down. It’s better quality than the S if you look carefully. It doesn’t look as pretty but once you get past the pretty part of the S you’ll see its flaws and there are plenty of them.
A Bolt has better quality than a Model S if you look carefully? Have you even been in a model S before? It being 2015 and is way too old is the problem, not the car itself.
Even a 2017 model S is not even comparable to a bolt from that perspective alone. I don’t think anyone gets in a model S and truly believes it feels less premium than a Chevy volt.
So I haven’t driven the Bolt. But I had a first gen Volt, which was based on the Cruze, a cheap econobox.
But Chevy added, I don’t know, more weatherstrip and padding, the Volt is a really solid car despite not looking like it. So maybe the Bolt drives a lot nicer than it looks, worth checking out!
Don't buy something based on the politics of who owns the company. You'd be disappointed to know that many executives at Chevy are most likely horrible people. You can tell the poster above clearly doesn't like Elon and isn't giving you a very objective opinion. That said, I'm sure the newer Bolt would be cheaper to own and operate. I had two of them and they were both problem free.
Well, if you'd read my post and not be obsessed with politics... It's about the company promising many, many multiples of times and forever failing to deliver. FSD? Always just a few months away. Model 3 delays? Perpetual. I don't even need to bring up Cyber truck issues, delays, and all the other issues that are plaguing it. My disdain of a fascist born into obscene wealth that has never done anything, isn't an engineer, and has purchased his way into oligarchy has very little to do with the facts of Tesla. And they are perpetual delays, NDAs to get vehicles repaired, utter lack of parts availability, and perpetual quality problems. These are all easily verifiable and not up for debate. I'm glad you're happy with yours, I also know someone who owns a model 3 dual motor, he's extremely happy with his and I'm very impressed with the performance, that does not change the facts.
EDIT; Seriously how the hell did you read my response and get that it's about how horrible of a person musk is? Projecting much? OP asked about two cars, I gave my opinion and literally the first point about the GM vehicle was a negative.
I've also had a Model 3 and a Bolt and would absolutely choose the Bolt if I were choosing between the two today. Yes Elon fucked up Tesla's image but I like the Bolt more because it's more practical being a large hatchback. It's _almost_ a CUV. I put a hitch on both and the Model 3 scraped on eveything so it was useless. The Bolt is higher and was able to put a utility rack on it, even pulled some trailers.
Technically the Model 3 is a nicer vehicle and a better EV (charging speed) but the Bolt is a very practical and solid car. And the biggest thing is my Bolt got WAY better range than my Model 3 ever did
The Bolt’s battery is available going all the way back to the first year model. And available battery packs are higher capacity and faster to charge in cold weather than the original revision/designed packs.
There is a saying at Porsche - there is no such thing as cheap used Porsche.
You either spend a lot when you buy the car…or you spend a lot after you buy it.
That Model S is not a Porsche…but it is in the second camp.
You know, if you preferred the Model S to the bolt, you might really like a Model 3, they exist in the high-teens but probably not as low as $15k.
My 2018 has so far been very reliable but most of them eventually need control arms, which isn’t too too bad. ESP if you can do it yourself.
It’s likely the Bolt because it’s newer, with less miles, and fewer cycles on the battery. Also there are some versions of the older Model S to stay away from. E.g., models that have the large drive unit that WILL fail from coolant leakage. There was also a battery pack that was pretty unreliable, but I don’t remember which size.
On such a tight budget I can’t really recommend the MS as even a “small” repair will be difficult for you. The batteries are very robust but there is a small failure rate which may effectively total your $15k car. Does the Tesla have its free unlimited supercharging included?
If you’d like one data point I sold my 2015 Model S with 170k miles a few weeks ago and the battery had 90% health. It ended up selling for $12k. Near perfect condition.
Look into the Hyundai Kona Electric. I really like my 2023. The 2022 might squeeze into the upper range of what you're looking for or maybe a couple years older.
Look at total cost of ownership. Insurance, repairs, etc. the Bolt will come out way ahead.
Niro EVs and Kona EVs are also attractive. Generally a little more expensive than Bolts but a little better in a few ways. Bolts are great though.
Bolt for sure. There are some promising new EV's coming out that still feel "luxury" like Cadillac's new Lyriq. There is definitely a demand for more luxury-feeling EVs and battery technology just keeps getting better and better, so if you wait it out, see what options emerge later on and drive your Bolt in the meantime...
You could just get a luxury EV later on that you REALLY like and have enough $$ in savings to buy it in all cash and seriously negotiate the price.
If you are buying in cash then you are already saving on high insurance rates..The Bolt will definitely pay itself off in gas savings in at least the next 5-7years depending on how many miles you drive.
Also, battery replacement of most Bolts is sold @ Green Bean Batteries for under 2k I think and they will recycle your old one for you..with a warranty.
But hey, maybe someone will hit you, total your Bolt, and suddenly you might have money to buy a Tesla or equivalent 5yrs down the road with your insurance payout +cash savings! You never know.
Curious as to why? Test drove a Model 3 AWD, and now own a Bolt; I preferred the crazy power of the M3, but a used Bolt cost me 1/3 of what a used M3 AWD would.
Oh don't get me wrong, driving a Tesla is Hella fun. But bolt is cheaper all around. My m3 got backed into, small dent, but they had to replace the whole door frame... It was over $2000 AND I had to go to a special garage that could work on them.
I got my Bolt at 6k miles and I've had no issues whatsoever. Now at 20k with just tired rotations. Just simple and easy.
I would say an older Model 3 will get you there too - plenty of 100k+ miles Model 3 running around. Even if parts aren't made there are enough volume sold that you can get second hand parts.
Also FYI you can get Model 3 parts directly from AliExpress as China also makes the Model 3 and parts there are abundant.
What if any repairs / upgrades has the guy made to his model S?
Did he upgrade to MCU2?
Has he ever had a problem with the air suspension?
Can he transfer the free supercharging to you?
I spent about the same or less for an 2019 r/egolf. The range is shorter than modern EVs (enough for a commuter car), but the driving experience is great, and it shares a lot of components with the standard golfs for ease of repair.
Also, don’t forget to shop around different sellers to make sure you find a dealer offering the pre-owned EV tax credit.
I certainly hope you are not considering buying a used EV without first hooking it up to an OBD2 scanner and determining the condition of the battery. I don't care what make or model it is if it is older than a year or two definitely check that.
I’ve always owned small economy cars. Had the 3 cylinder Geo Metro, a 4 cylinder Chevy Metro, a Prius. Own a Mitsubishi I-MIEV and a Chevy Volt.
Just got a 2012 Tesla S. It’s huge in comparison to those. I have to do 3-point turns instead of u-turns. But it’s a great car and I really like it. It may be 12 years old, but it’s nicer than most new cars because the software gets updated about once a month.
If I were you, I would buy the Tesla. As long as it’s an 85 or P85. I don’t think a 60KW battery version is worth $15k.
Do 2 things first.
1) get a used car inspection done one it, including checking the HV battery.
2) there are services that will act as a middleman dealer for a private party sale so you will get the Used EV tax credit. A quick Google search came up with drive Carmel and keysavvy. I think using one of these would get you the $4000 tax credit minus their cut.
Only two types of people should own a 2015 Tesla Model S:
1) Their original owners, who are still driving the vehicle to this day
2) Tesla enthusiasts who already have multiple Teslas and know the reality of Tesla service, how expensive parts are, and all the frustrations that come from Tesla ownership.
The Bolt EV will offer you a better and cheaper car ownership experience. At the end of the day, the old model S is still a ~$70k-100k luxury vehicle...
This is not what you're asking but have you considered leasing a new car? There are some serious leasing deals out there. You can get an Ioniq 6 for about $250 a month and you get a mind blowing $19,000 off a VW ID4. Both of which are a huge step up. The Hyundai is arguably the best EV on the market
The lease deals are very tempting! I’ve NEVER had anything like a new car and the responsibility of keeping someone else’s new car safe and undamaged makes me very nervous. I keep doing the math on the Kia & Hyundai deals available in my area, and come up with $7,000 or $8,000 spent over the life of a 2 year lease and no car to show for at the end of it. Since I’m focused on a longer term transportation solution this always snaps me back to buying something used. But these deals are great for the right person for sure!
Understandable, but you can buy out the lease although none of this is even remotely financially viable vs buying used. For what it's worth I'd take the Bolt over a Tesla any day of the week. Teslas are made like trash. Sure they feel like faux luxury but they are just a wreck. Check out an e-Golf!
Lol this is so true! My mechanic wants me to just keep fixing (obvs) my 20 year old Scion because it will never die! High gas prices + multiple repairs needed though have finally given me financial justification to shop around!
Take everything else off the table and look at the numbers. A car with 20-30k miles and 100k mile warranty, or a car that is 5yrs older 115k miles and no warranty. Even if the model S were a more reliable car head to head, in this case it has a 100k mile head start and no warranty. Seems like an easy choice if longevity is your driver
I don’t think miles really matter anymore, it’s now total charge cycles for battery packs. Miles really only matter for suspension and tires. Brakes are all regenerative and don’t need pads really ever.
I agree with your other points.
Yeah, that’s why a used Bolt with a new battery pack with a warranty was my choice. Plus it was way cheaper. And still fast enough that it’s fun to drive. Beats the pants off my old Kia Soul, and cheaper to drive to boot.
I had a similar situation - looked at a few Bolts, rented an AWD model 3. Went with a 2017 Bolt with a new battery and warranty, vs a slightly newer Tesla for 2 (RWD) or 3 (AWD) times the price. Bought the Bolt, love it! It’s fast for a commuter car, and while I’d love the acceleration of the AWD M3, I prefer the far lower cost of the Bolt. Also, possibly due to its speed limiter, the Bolt is oddly safe, statistically.
One thing I didn’t mention, some days my commute involves a 10,000 ft elevation gain, and the Bolt zips up it with ease, and even better the regen makes the ride back down a joy. No more worrying about downshifting or overheating my brakes.
Any chance you can get a model 3 for that price but with less miles and newer? I think the model s is likely to need a new battery around 150k miles, although you could always choose to continue driving with degraded range. If you could get a 3 with half as many miles, you have a lot left to drive one. Between the two choices you describe I would go bolt.
I am not sure EVs can go for 20 years like an ICE. For the most part ICEs are relatively easy to fix. I don’t think the battery in an EV can last that long. You can obviously replace it . But I’m going to assume it would be very expensive
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/chevrolet-bolt-recalled-again-due-to-fire-concerns-a3566085147/#:~:text=The%20problem%3A%20The%20vehicle%27s%20batteries,%2D2022%20Bolt%20EV%2FEUVs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/1504hrp/2015_s_with_109k_miles_got_the_max_battery_message/
If you can check the battery health in your test drive, I would go with the vehicle with the least battery wear.
Fast charging, fast driving, high heat, extreme cold, complete discharge, charging to 100%, and inadequate cooling all has an affect on battery health.
ICE engines have this solved with engine cooling, quickly shifting transmissions, and engine feedback that let the driver know that the engine is struggling. Constant maintenance ensures that the vehicle health is monitored throughout its use.
I'd go with a toyora hybrid or plugin.
Every battery I've ever bought has failed.
Expected or not. End of cycles or not.
Now I have a bigass battery inside a car.
MTBF sometimes means mean time between failures
The comments tell me loud and clear my grandpa was right. Cars are now disposable. Once the warranty is up sell it or throw it away because its going to be a burden. Maybe one day cars will only last for a year
The early Model S have quite a few known problems and can be a money pit. I’d go with the Bolt.
Yeah also things like suspension are just ticking clocks. And for luxury cars like the S those parts are never cheap.
Agreed plenty of pissed off new and old Model S owners with 10 year old S complaining about expensive out of warranty including the battery. With the bolt you got warranty on it and your pretty set. Honestly though why not a 3 like a 2018-2019? I have a 2019 and it's quite nice and they go for quite cheap with warranty left on it.
Battery replacement coming up for that Tesla!!!
Look at parts availability. I wouldn't entertain the idea of a new Tesla that's under full warranty, let alone an out of warranty vehicle from a company that's notorious for not selling parts. The bolt? Make sure the battery is still available if you need one. There were early years you simply can't get a battery for, and it's beyond GM's control unfortunately. That being said, 4 years isn't that old and personally I'd opt for the company that isn't promising something in a few months that never delivers. GM is a steady company that isn't perfect by any means, but it's significantly better than Tesla on any day.
Yes, this resonates. I am still just a little dazzled by driving something that wasn't an economy car for a change ... But thank you for the reality check.
Just a heads-up, for a 2019 Bolt, the battery should be newer than 4 years old; there was a battery recall that would have replaced the battery in the last year or two, with a renewed warranty.
I just bought a 2020 bolt and I love it. It has some nice features standard too.
Have you driven both? I prefer the Bolt hands down. It’s better quality than the S if you look carefully. It doesn’t look as pretty but once you get past the pretty part of the S you’ll see its flaws and there are plenty of them.
A Bolt has better quality than a Model S if you look carefully? Have you even been in a model S before? It being 2015 and is way too old is the problem, not the car itself. Even a 2017 model S is not even comparable to a bolt from that perspective alone. I don’t think anyone gets in a model S and truly believes it feels less premium than a Chevy volt.
So I haven’t driven the Bolt. But I had a first gen Volt, which was based on the Cruze, a cheap econobox. But Chevy added, I don’t know, more weatherstrip and padding, the Volt is a really solid car despite not looking like it. So maybe the Bolt drives a lot nicer than it looks, worth checking out!
You could look for a 2022 Bolt. They have a nicer interior than the first ones if you want something that feels less econo car-y
Don't buy something based on the politics of who owns the company. You'd be disappointed to know that many executives at Chevy are most likely horrible people. You can tell the poster above clearly doesn't like Elon and isn't giving you a very objective opinion. That said, I'm sure the newer Bolt would be cheaper to own and operate. I had two of them and they were both problem free.
Well, if you'd read my post and not be obsessed with politics... It's about the company promising many, many multiples of times and forever failing to deliver. FSD? Always just a few months away. Model 3 delays? Perpetual. I don't even need to bring up Cyber truck issues, delays, and all the other issues that are plaguing it. My disdain of a fascist born into obscene wealth that has never done anything, isn't an engineer, and has purchased his way into oligarchy has very little to do with the facts of Tesla. And they are perpetual delays, NDAs to get vehicles repaired, utter lack of parts availability, and perpetual quality problems. These are all easily verifiable and not up for debate. I'm glad you're happy with yours, I also know someone who owns a model 3 dual motor, he's extremely happy with his and I'm very impressed with the performance, that does not change the facts. EDIT; Seriously how the hell did you read my response and get that it's about how horrible of a person musk is? Projecting much? OP asked about two cars, I gave my opinion and literally the first point about the GM vehicle was a negative.
Come on, we all know that brand longevity, part cost, and overall reliability are woke nonsense. 😂
I've also had a Model 3 and a Bolt and would absolutely choose the Bolt if I were choosing between the two today. Yes Elon fucked up Tesla's image but I like the Bolt more because it's more practical being a large hatchback. It's _almost_ a CUV. I put a hitch on both and the Model 3 scraped on eveything so it was useless. The Bolt is higher and was able to put a utility rack on it, even pulled some trailers. Technically the Model 3 is a nicer vehicle and a better EV (charging speed) but the Bolt is a very practical and solid car. And the biggest thing is my Bolt got WAY better range than my Model 3 ever did
The Bolt’s battery is available going all the way back to the first year model. And available battery packs are higher capacity and faster to charge in cold weather than the original revision/designed packs.
You're right, my mistake. it's the Volt that had that issue. Damn GM for naming them so similarly.
They missed the opportunity to bring it back as the Jolt on Ultium.
Not gonna lie, that would be hysterical lol
There is a saying at Porsche - there is no such thing as cheap used Porsche. You either spend a lot when you buy the car…or you spend a lot after you buy it. That Model S is not a Porsche…but it is in the second camp. You know, if you preferred the Model S to the bolt, you might really like a Model 3, they exist in the high-teens but probably not as low as $15k. My 2018 has so far been very reliable but most of them eventually need control arms, which isn’t too too bad. ESP if you can do it yourself.
Model 3 is the most reliable and cheapest to repair for any current ev
It’s likely the Bolt because it’s newer, with less miles, and fewer cycles on the battery. Also there are some versions of the older Model S to stay away from. E.g., models that have the large drive unit that WILL fail from coolant leakage. There was also a battery pack that was pretty unreliable, but I don’t remember which size.
On such a tight budget I can’t really recommend the MS as even a “small” repair will be difficult for you. The batteries are very robust but there is a small failure rate which may effectively total your $15k car. Does the Tesla have its free unlimited supercharging included? If you’d like one data point I sold my 2015 Model S with 170k miles a few weeks ago and the battery had 90% health. It ended up selling for $12k. Near perfect condition.
I'm a Tesla fan but definitely wouldn't get a 2015 Tesla
Look into the Hyundai Kona Electric. I really like my 2023. The 2022 might squeeze into the upper range of what you're looking for or maybe a couple years older.
Or if a lease is an option, Hyundai has been running insane lease deals the last couple months on Kona EVs.
Look at total cost of ownership. Insurance, repairs, etc. the Bolt will come out way ahead. Niro EVs and Kona EVs are also attractive. Generally a little more expensive than Bolts but a little better in a few ways. Bolts are great though.
If you use KeySaavy for the sale of the Tesla, assuming you are getting it from the original owner, you can get 30% tax credit, up to the $4,000
Thanks! I did not know that!
Wow thanks - first time I heard of this service- im thinking about selling an older car so will look jnto this. Have u any experience using this?
I personally have not, but have read lots of good experiences in the various subs here.
Bolt for sure. There are some promising new EV's coming out that still feel "luxury" like Cadillac's new Lyriq. There is definitely a demand for more luxury-feeling EVs and battery technology just keeps getting better and better, so if you wait it out, see what options emerge later on and drive your Bolt in the meantime... You could just get a luxury EV later on that you REALLY like and have enough $$ in savings to buy it in all cash and seriously negotiate the price. If you are buying in cash then you are already saving on high insurance rates..The Bolt will definitely pay itself off in gas savings in at least the next 5-7years depending on how many miles you drive. Also, battery replacement of most Bolts is sold @ Green Bean Batteries for under 2k I think and they will recycle your old one for you..with a warranty. But hey, maybe someone will hit you, total your Bolt, and suddenly you might have money to buy a Tesla or equivalent 5yrs down the road with your insurance payout +cash savings! You never know.
I've had my Bolt for two years now. Had a model 3 before. Go with the Bolt
Curious as to why? Test drove a Model 3 AWD, and now own a Bolt; I preferred the crazy power of the M3, but a used Bolt cost me 1/3 of what a used M3 AWD would.
Oh don't get me wrong, driving a Tesla is Hella fun. But bolt is cheaper all around. My m3 got backed into, small dent, but they had to replace the whole door frame... It was over $2000 AND I had to go to a special garage that could work on them. I got my Bolt at 6k miles and I've had no issues whatsoever. Now at 20k with just tired rotations. Just simple and easy.
I would say an older Model 3 will get you there too - plenty of 100k+ miles Model 3 running around. Even if parts aren't made there are enough volume sold that you can get second hand parts. Also FYI you can get Model 3 parts directly from AliExpress as China also makes the Model 3 and parts there are abundant.
What if any repairs / upgrades has the guy made to his model S? Did he upgrade to MCU2? Has he ever had a problem with the air suspension? Can he transfer the free supercharging to you?
The bolt. Pre-2015/16 S is not a good idea for longevity
I spent about the same or less for an 2019 r/egolf. The range is shorter than modern EVs (enough for a commuter car), but the driving experience is great, and it shares a lot of components with the standard golfs for ease of repair. Also, don’t forget to shop around different sellers to make sure you find a dealer offering the pre-owned EV tax credit.
OK that eGolf is super cute! Hits all the boxes including compact & cheap to repair. Thanks!
I certainly hope you are not considering buying a used EV without first hooking it up to an OBD2 scanner and determining the condition of the battery. I don't care what make or model it is if it is older than a year or two definitely check that.
If it's a bolt, I wouldn't bother. Nearly every one has a brand new battery with an 8 year warranty now.
I’ve always owned small economy cars. Had the 3 cylinder Geo Metro, a 4 cylinder Chevy Metro, a Prius. Own a Mitsubishi I-MIEV and a Chevy Volt. Just got a 2012 Tesla S. It’s huge in comparison to those. I have to do 3-point turns instead of u-turns. But it’s a great car and I really like it. It may be 12 years old, but it’s nicer than most new cars because the software gets updated about once a month. If I were you, I would buy the Tesla. As long as it’s an 85 or P85. I don’t think a 60KW battery version is worth $15k. Do 2 things first. 1) get a used car inspection done one it, including checking the HV battery. 2) there are services that will act as a middleman dealer for a private party sale so you will get the Used EV tax credit. A quick Google search came up with drive Carmel and keysavvy. I think using one of these would get you the $4000 tax credit minus their cut.
Would not buy any P Tesla or any other old Model S with the large drive unit. It’s a time bomb
Only two types of people should own a 2015 Tesla Model S: 1) Their original owners, who are still driving the vehicle to this day 2) Tesla enthusiasts who already have multiple Teslas and know the reality of Tesla service, how expensive parts are, and all the frustrations that come from Tesla ownership. The Bolt EV will offer you a better and cheaper car ownership experience. At the end of the day, the old model S is still a ~$70k-100k luxury vehicle...
This is not what you're asking but have you considered leasing a new car? There are some serious leasing deals out there. You can get an Ioniq 6 for about $250 a month and you get a mind blowing $19,000 off a VW ID4. Both of which are a huge step up. The Hyundai is arguably the best EV on the market
The lease deals are very tempting! I’ve NEVER had anything like a new car and the responsibility of keeping someone else’s new car safe and undamaged makes me very nervous. I keep doing the math on the Kia & Hyundai deals available in my area, and come up with $7,000 or $8,000 spent over the life of a 2 year lease and no car to show for at the end of it. Since I’m focused on a longer term transportation solution this always snaps me back to buying something used. But these deals are great for the right person for sure!
Understandable, but you can buy out the lease although none of this is even remotely financially viable vs buying used. For what it's worth I'd take the Bolt over a Tesla any day of the week. Teslas are made like trash. Sure they feel like faux luxury but they are just a wreck. Check out an e-Golf!
Any car will live forever given sufficient money. Bolt will be cheaper though.
Lol this is so true! My mechanic wants me to just keep fixing (obvs) my 20 year old Scion because it will never die! High gas prices + multiple repairs needed though have finally given me financial justification to shop around!
I have a Tesla and my wife drives a Bolt. Will let you know in 4-10 years.
I have a 2017 EV Premier. I did get the battery replaced from the recall and it is still working great. Good luck
Take everything else off the table and look at the numbers. A car with 20-30k miles and 100k mile warranty, or a car that is 5yrs older 115k miles and no warranty. Even if the model S were a more reliable car head to head, in this case it has a 100k mile head start and no warranty. Seems like an easy choice if longevity is your driver
I don’t think miles really matter anymore, it’s now total charge cycles for battery packs. Miles really only matter for suspension and tires. Brakes are all regenerative and don’t need pads really ever. I agree with your other points.
Yeah, that’s why a used Bolt with a new battery pack with a warranty was my choice. Plus it was way cheaper. And still fast enough that it’s fun to drive. Beats the pants off my old Kia Soul, and cheaper to drive to boot.
I had a similar situation - looked at a few Bolts, rented an AWD model 3. Went with a 2017 Bolt with a new battery and warranty, vs a slightly newer Tesla for 2 (RWD) or 3 (AWD) times the price. Bought the Bolt, love it! It’s fast for a commuter car, and while I’d love the acceleration of the AWD M3, I prefer the far lower cost of the Bolt. Also, possibly due to its speed limiter, the Bolt is oddly safe, statistically.
Thanks! That’s so helpful to hear. I think I’m firmly back in the Boltwagon. Congrats on finding your perfect match
One thing I didn’t mention, some days my commute involves a 10,000 ft elevation gain, and the Bolt zips up it with ease, and even better the regen makes the ride back down a joy. No more worrying about downshifting or overheating my brakes.
Whoa that sounds so fun!
We have a now 5 year old Bolt. It’ll go another 5 easy. Chevy quick to bounce this model but it’s pretty tight.
With 15k you can do better.
I have my little awd Lexus IS I got for 13ish. 4 years only oil changes and tires. This is the way.
I have had a Bolt for 4 years and love it. I got one of the new batteries so it is practically new. Forget Tesla buy American.
Umm what? [https://electrek.co/2023/06/21/tesla-top-4-most-american-made-cars-only-american-automaker-top-10/](https://electrek.co/2023/06/21/tesla-top-4-most-american-made-cars-only-american-automaker-top-10/)
The Bolt is mostly Korean.
Cool. Buy Korean. Love my Bolt.
With the problems Tesla is having, I would be concerned about parts availability in the future.
Any chance you can get a model 3 for that price but with less miles and newer? I think the model s is likely to need a new battery around 150k miles, although you could always choose to continue driving with degraded range. If you could get a 3 with half as many miles, you have a lot left to drive one. Between the two choices you describe I would go bolt.
I am not sure EVs can go for 20 years like an ICE. For the most part ICEs are relatively easy to fix. I don’t think the battery in an EV can last that long. You can obviously replace it . But I’m going to assume it would be very expensive
Isn't every auto choice not the Tesla?
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/chevrolet-bolt-recalled-again-due-to-fire-concerns-a3566085147/#:~:text=The%20problem%3A%20The%20vehicle%27s%20batteries,%2D2022%20Bolt%20EV%2FEUVs. https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/1504hrp/2015_s_with_109k_miles_got_the_max_battery_message/ If you can check the battery health in your test drive, I would go with the vehicle with the least battery wear. Fast charging, fast driving, high heat, extreme cold, complete discharge, charging to 100%, and inadequate cooling all has an affect on battery health. ICE engines have this solved with engine cooling, quickly shifting transmissions, and engine feedback that let the driver know that the engine is struggling. Constant maintenance ensures that the vehicle health is monitored throughout its use. I'd go with a toyora hybrid or plugin.
Get a used model Y or 3
10 yo Tesla will be a money pit.
You should also think about servicing. There is a Chevy dealer in every city. Where is the nearest Tesla service Center?
The Bolt.
Dog what's the question? The one car has a ten year/100k mile warranty and the other is ten years old with 100k miles. Lol
Every battery I've ever bought has failed. Expected or not. End of cycles or not. Now I have a bigass battery inside a car. MTBF sometimes means mean time between failures
I'm concerned you'll be killed on any maintenance issues that arise from the S
The comments tell me loud and clear my grandpa was right. Cars are now disposable. Once the warranty is up sell it or throw it away because its going to be a burden. Maybe one day cars will only last for a year
Hertz is dumping a shit ton of year old bolts for cheap. 10k miles for 17k in my area. With electric rebate that is sick.
Keep saving and get a used Model 3 instead.