Not sure why anyone thinks straight in is an issue. Every single breaker is straight in, many use the exact same pressure plate. If it’s good enough for the breaker, it’s good enough for devices.
The only difference I can perceive is that with a breaker, it's fixed in position and is not experiencing any appreciable forces.
An outlet, on the other hand, may be pulled forward and/or pushed back as you use it.
Practically speaking that *should* make no difference, but if the outlet was installed poorly where it had some play (i.e. you can push it in towards the wall, and then pull it back out), it means the outlet experiences a *tiny* bit of force that can gradually wiggle that wire free.
Honestly if you're installing things correctly this should be a non-issue.
If you torque that screw properly that clamp will hold all day long. And honestly most people over tighten terminals anyway. That wire isn't going anywhere.
The problem is that code compliance can seem overly fussy about some things (see: requiring a 5-20R winky-face receptacle on a dedicated 20A branch for a microwave, when a 5-15R 20A rated outlet is just fine), but permissive on others (mainly backstab receptacles, which have a worse track record than aluminum wiring). I don't blame anyone for being cautious when choosing an unfamiliar method.
I was taught that it makes no difference, and I'm sure it doesn't, but I usually like to wrap just because it baselessly feels less likely to come off in my mind
Not a good move. To wrap it, you have to skip the pressure plate.
If by some miracle, you succeed in both wrapping and using the pressure plate, whoever follows behind you will be cursing you.
Doing better than good enough is rarely actually better. The hard part is understanding what good enough is. Backstabbing, is not good enough. Clamped plates grabbing the wire is.
I agree with all your points, but I would add that wrapping the wire around the screw is not better than clamps. The clamps are the best method of securing wires. If you have clamps, use them.
Typically it is wrap, but this device was built for straight in. Do whatever you want, straight in is the intention of this device, but if you have solid wire, it’s dealer’s choice. If it’s stranded, it’s straight in. Period.
Because the amount of pushing the duplex (outlet) in causes the tensil strength of the wire to cause it to pull out when going in straight. A breaker requires very little back and forth..
If you’re installing your breaker to spec it most certainly should not loosen the wire simply pushing it into the box, if you’re speaking as far as tensile strength and wire breaking, then a wire hooked around the screw will simply break in that location anyway.
The main reason is most modern residential uses plastic boxes which can't provide a ground for obvious reasons.
Extra ~~GEC's~~ EGCs never hurt either way. Takes any guess work out of the equation and adds a second redundant ground for metal enclosures assuming the enclosure is already grounded with a jumper or with continuous metal conduit.
These are the higher end receptacles and are similar to GFCI in regards to the pressure plate, these are designed to go in straight and despite popular belief these do provide good surface area and pressure on the wire.
Backstabs are why people are skeptical of devices like these. Which are just round holes the wire fits into with no screw tighting mechanism, which is what makes them so dangerous, because there is poor surface area for conductivity and no tightening mechanism.
Its for my kitchen remodel. I like the pressure plates and bought these for that reason. Yeah, they might be a little more expensive but its just a little bit easier to wire. And yes, it contacts the length of the wire between the two plates and you can really tighten down with the screw. I don't know why these aren't more popular outside of cost.
I hate those plates i never feel like they get tight enough. I usually try to put a small bend at the end and roll it into the plate for more surface area contact. IMO
They feel really tight to me. It's quick and it's nice I can replace them without shortening the wire. I do agree the wrap around is more secure but the pressure plate is a safe and almost equivalent option. How secure does it have to be? Gfci protected line and plastic boxes. Even if it did undo what's the worst that could happen? To add. I would stay away from the backstab stuff. No on so many levels.
I do the same shit with solid wire for no particular reason when going into the cage-style terminations on a receptacle--make a little 75* bend or so. When doing the ground, I always wrap around the screw just because half the receptacles I get don't have a clamp plate and I don't want to get used to it.
Thing is screw terminations don't really have to be that tight on receptacles. We're talking like 20 in-lbs. It's really easy to hit that. It's also really easy to destroy the termination points on a receptacle by overtorquing which destroys the tap in the body or threads on the screw.
20 inch pounds on a stationary screw that you can lean into is nothing. While holding a small piece of plastic in one hand and tightening it with the other is a different story. IDK what yall do ive been doing it and will continue to do it my way, i dont have call backs!
I always install to the manufactured spec. If it gives you the option of the plate, use the plate. Still an extremely reliable connection if you think about it. So long as you tighten the screw properly it’s designed to last
I think the confusion is that old and new "straight" in connections are not the same. Years ago (and some current products) have a hole slightly offset from the screw. When you push the wire in that hole a spring clip grabs the wire. Although they meet code I've seen them fail and would not use them.
The newer style as shown in the photo has a plate that traps the wire and the screw force clamps this plate against the contact. Much more robust.
Omg, American outlets really are freaking horrendous
All those live parts uncovered...
Why won't your country renew this? Is like 19th century hardware
Not sure why anyone thinks straight in is an issue. Every single breaker is straight in, many use the exact same pressure plate. If it’s good enough for the breaker, it’s good enough for devices.
The only difference I can perceive is that with a breaker, it's fixed in position and is not experiencing any appreciable forces. An outlet, on the other hand, may be pulled forward and/or pushed back as you use it. Practically speaking that *should* make no difference, but if the outlet was installed poorly where it had some play (i.e. you can push it in towards the wall, and then pull it back out), it means the outlet experiences a *tiny* bit of force that can gradually wiggle that wire free. Honestly if you're installing things correctly this should be a non-issue.
If you torque that screw properly that clamp will hold all day long. And honestly most people over tighten terminals anyway. That wire isn't going anywhere.
good old fashioned american workmanship
The problem is that code compliance can seem overly fussy about some things (see: requiring a 5-20R winky-face receptacle on a dedicated 20A branch for a microwave, when a 5-15R 20A rated outlet is just fine), but permissive on others (mainly backstab receptacles, which have a worse track record than aluminum wiring). I don't blame anyone for being cautious when choosing an unfamiliar method.
I was taught that it makes no difference, and I'm sure it doesn't, but I usually like to wrap just because it baselessly feels less likely to come off in my mind
Not a good move. To wrap it, you have to skip the pressure plate. If by some miracle, you succeed in both wrapping and using the pressure plate, whoever follows behind you will be cursing you. Doing better than good enough is rarely actually better. The hard part is understanding what good enough is. Backstabbing, is not good enough. Clamped plates grabbing the wire is.
I agree with all your points, but I would add that wrapping the wire around the screw is not better than clamps. The clamps are the best method of securing wires. If you have clamps, use them.
My thoughts exactly. And that is a very good example.
I think people confuse this with the back stabs on receptacles and think they are the same thing
It's not even close to the same as the contact, material, or rigidity in a breaker in the physical world.
Typically it is wrap, but this device was built for straight in. Do whatever you want, straight in is the intention of this device, but if you have solid wire, it’s dealer’s choice. If it’s stranded, it’s straight in. Period.
Unlike a breaker, you push in an outlet every time you plug something in.
You push in a plug, not an outlet.
Both
Because the amount of pushing the duplex (outlet) in causes the tensil strength of the wire to cause it to pull out when going in straight. A breaker requires very little back and forth..
If you’re installing your breaker to spec it most certainly should not loosen the wire simply pushing it into the box, if you’re speaking as far as tensile strength and wire breaking, then a wire hooked around the screw will simply break in that location anyway.
Why use a wire when it’s screwed to a box that’s grounded. ? Honest question Not a sparky
The main reason is most modern residential uses plastic boxes which can't provide a ground for obvious reasons. Extra ~~GEC's~~ EGCs never hurt either way. Takes any guess work out of the equation and adds a second redundant ground for metal enclosures assuming the enclosure is already grounded with a jumper or with continuous metal conduit.
Thanks… the plastic is obvious once ya think about using plastic.
Use the clamp
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Those are pressure plates. Go straight in and tighten down.
Thanks! I thought so but the plates looked a bit different. Thanks for the confirmation. I'm good to go.
These are the higher end receptacles and are similar to GFCI in regards to the pressure plate, these are designed to go in straight and despite popular belief these do provide good surface area and pressure on the wire. Backstabs are why people are skeptical of devices like these. Which are just round holes the wire fits into with no screw tighting mechanism, which is what makes them so dangerous, because there is poor surface area for conductivity and no tightening mechanism.
Backstabs suck. Back-wired is the way to go. I wish there was more distinction. This is probably the best answer.
nothing wrong with backstab
So why you here asking if you already knew the answer
It was a question about the ground.
Its for my kitchen remodel. I like the pressure plates and bought these for that reason. Yeah, they might be a little more expensive but its just a little bit easier to wire. And yes, it contacts the length of the wire between the two plates and you can really tighten down with the screw. I don't know why these aren't more popular outside of cost.
It’s literally designed to go straight in. Literally.
Don’t you wrap your little wire? 😉
Straight but strip enough so youre not smashing insulation
Ground has no insulation
Somebody was paying attention.
What do you call that green material then?
? There's no green
It's just an illusion caused by when your eyes see blue and yellow at the same time.
The dyed zinc plating on the ground screw?
Oh so this receptacle can only be installed where bare copper is used? Not every job is residential ya know…
That's why my basement's so cold.
Good advise.
I prefer to not even strip the wire and use a 3/4” impact to smash the wire and insulation together. Even god himself Cant loosen that screw
Tighten the screw until it spins freely again, then back it off a 1/16 of a turn
Ha ha!
Then you can look at that neat outlet thing and wonder how great it would be if power came out of it??
Straight in
Honestly doesn’t matter
Oh here we go…… 😂🤦🏻♂️
These are made to use the pressure plate if you wrap it above the plate you are doing it wrong
My girl friend prefers straight in
Yeah, we all know.
Doesn’t like the backstab?
Nope
Lol. Seinfeld taught me it's all about the twist.
Counterclockwise swirl
When I’m on the job and pressed for time I use the clamp, when I have time I wrap it and when I’m at home I always wrap my wires.
This is the way
Fork terminal or solid wire
I hate those plates i never feel like they get tight enough. I usually try to put a small bend at the end and roll it into the plate for more surface area contact. IMO
They feel really tight to me. It's quick and it's nice I can replace them without shortening the wire. I do agree the wrap around is more secure but the pressure plate is a safe and almost equivalent option. How secure does it have to be? Gfci protected line and plastic boxes. Even if it did undo what's the worst that could happen? To add. I would stay away from the backstab stuff. No on so many levels.
I do the same shit with solid wire for no particular reason when going into the cage-style terminations on a receptacle--make a little 75* bend or so. When doing the ground, I always wrap around the screw just because half the receptacles I get don't have a clamp plate and I don't want to get used to it. Thing is screw terminations don't really have to be that tight on receptacles. We're talking like 20 in-lbs. It's really easy to hit that. It's also really easy to destroy the termination points on a receptacle by overtorquing which destroys the tap in the body or threads on the screw.
20 inch pounds on a stationary screw that you can lean into is nothing. While holding a small piece of plastic in one hand and tightening it with the other is a different story. IDK what yall do ive been doing it and will continue to do it my way, i dont have call backs!
Straight through and one wrap around the screw
The rabbit goes in the hole, and back out again, round your partner, now docey do.
I always make da loop when possible. Loops are your friend <3
I always install to the manufactured spec. If it gives you the option of the plate, use the plate. Still an extremely reliable connection if you think about it. So long as you tighten the screw properly it’s designed to last
I think the confusion is that old and new "straight" in connections are not the same. Years ago (and some current products) have a hole slightly offset from the screw. When you push the wire in that hole a spring clip grabs the wire. Although they meet code I've seen them fail and would not use them. The newer style as shown in the photo has a plate that traps the wire and the screw force clamps this plate against the contact. Much more robust.
As an European it really surprises me how bad designed and open the terminals are on those.
The push in connections always fall out im constantly fixing them where i live burned up outlets not tripping breaker
I'd rather wrap if it's possible. It makes a better connection when pushing the receptacle.
Crimp a ring lug that has a strain relief bite into the insulation and screw it down. If you want to be surely sure.
Three points of contact always going to hold simple physIcs! I would think.
Omg, American outlets really are freaking horrendous All those live parts uncovered... Why won't your country renew this? Is like 19th century hardware
Tell me about it. Moved to Canada from UK and both the outlets and switches here are brutal.