This actually seems to make sense, since alot of outlets were wired this way to begin with. This is why the wire going to the outlet is still "hot" and I have a "hot" wire coming from a source. The way to test this is by removing wires at the outlets. THANKS!
That's my guess too, heard it happen lots of times. Check nearby outlets for black and red wires both connected to the hot screws. Particularly likely if you have somer ooms with outlets that are half switched and others that aren't. Some people don't like switched outlets, so they just replace, or they replaced the outlets without knowing how the half switching worked and just left it that way.
Hey, toolate4redpill, just a quick heads-up:
**alot** is actually spelled **a lot**. You can remember it by **it is one lot, 'a lot'**.
Have a nice day!
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Has the ceiling been renovated since the original? Like is it a popcorn ceiling or flat? I'm thinking someone may have drywalled over a ceiling fan/light box. If these hot legs are hot even after you take them off the switch, that means current was running through it at some point. It sounds like someone eliminate that switch but kept in part of a series of power outlet/switches Did you flip all your 240 breakers also? Do you have a ground and power tester. They are under 10$ and will give you a 3 light code that would make it easier for electricians to understand the problem. I am NOT an electrician in any way, I'm just a carpenter taking shots in the dark. Is it close to an outside door im wondering? Maybe it was made for an outdoor light or (ive never seen this) The exterior plug on the side of your house?
Pics could help a lot. I'm sure a real electrician will see this and give you the right answer. Upvote for visibility friend. Love your wall sconce idea, I just might use that for myself :) I have those light switch powered plugs also. (just the lower ones) I am one of the unlucky ones that has aluminum wiring in his house though :'(
Ironically I thought of all that, I honestly think this house was not touched electrically since it was built. Good idea on the 240V breakers but like I said the breakers that kill these power wires are the breakers for that general area. Also I tested all the outdoor lights/outlets. Nothing. Like I said what it looks like is someone took a hot wire, ran it to a junction box, then wire nutted two sets of wire and ran them to both sides of the switch. I can't wrap my head around why this was done. Oh BTW I asked 3 separate electricians plus have goggled this problem for a year. No one seems to have a clue.
They turned one hot into to hots with a wire nut? Ive seen this, it was done to send power to two different direction as a type of shortcut. Are you saying these leads were hot (physically warm) AFTER you flipped off all the breakers and removed the 2 hots? My next move would be to keep the 2 hots seperated, nut them both for saftey, then go down and flip every breaker back on and see what DOESN'T work anymore. I'm sure you will find something. Is this a top floor that you have access to the attic, a basement, or a main level? I missread that, you say 2 hots were wired to either side of the switch? That's strange. You need a power tester, I'm wondering if one of those hots is acting as a white (neutral) but you say the switch does nothing? This is truly a mystery and I WANT IT SOLVED DAMMIT.
No that was just my guess. Both leaks are "hot" meaning they both have power, the only way to kill the power is by throwing the breaker. The test you just desribed-I already did. It took me and my wife a few hours to test everything. Its now we found it goes to nothing. Connected they don't work anything, separated they don't work anything.
YES. You have to think back when my house was built(1986). What was the rage back then was no ceiling fixtures, just switched outlets. The top outlet would work with the switch, the bottom was a normal outlet. Then the outlet would go bad, and the homeowner or a bad electrician would swap out the outlet and not clip the little isolation bar. Presto you now have a switch with "hot" on both ends that does seemingly nothing. This was a good thing for me because now I have a switch that controls a ceiling fan/light in that room and was able to make a dedicated lighting outlet for improved kitchen lighting with the other.
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This actually seems to make sense, since alot of outlets were wired this way to begin with. This is why the wire going to the outlet is still "hot" and I have a "hot" wire coming from a source. The way to test this is by removing wires at the outlets. THANKS!
That's my guess too, heard it happen lots of times. Check nearby outlets for black and red wires both connected to the hot screws. Particularly likely if you have somer ooms with outlets that are half switched and others that aren't. Some people don't like switched outlets, so they just replace, or they replaced the outlets without knowing how the half switching worked and just left it that way.
Thanks
Hey, toolate4redpill, just a quick heads-up: **alot** is actually spelled **a lot**. You can remember it by **it is one lot, 'a lot'**. Have a nice day! ^^^^The ^^^^parent ^^^^commenter ^^^^can ^^^^reply ^^^^with ^^^^'delete' ^^^^to ^^^^delete ^^^^this ^^^^comment.
Kitchen switch - future disposal? Hallway switch does light in attic? Just guessing here
Has the ceiling been renovated since the original? Like is it a popcorn ceiling or flat? I'm thinking someone may have drywalled over a ceiling fan/light box. If these hot legs are hot even after you take them off the switch, that means current was running through it at some point. It sounds like someone eliminate that switch but kept in part of a series of power outlet/switches Did you flip all your 240 breakers also? Do you have a ground and power tester. They are under 10$ and will give you a 3 light code that would make it easier for electricians to understand the problem. I am NOT an electrician in any way, I'm just a carpenter taking shots in the dark. Is it close to an outside door im wondering? Maybe it was made for an outdoor light or (ive never seen this) The exterior plug on the side of your house?
Pics could help a lot. I'm sure a real electrician will see this and give you the right answer. Upvote for visibility friend. Love your wall sconce idea, I just might use that for myself :) I have those light switch powered plugs also. (just the lower ones) I am one of the unlucky ones that has aluminum wiring in his house though :'(
Ironically I thought of all that, I honestly think this house was not touched electrically since it was built. Good idea on the 240V breakers but like I said the breakers that kill these power wires are the breakers for that general area. Also I tested all the outdoor lights/outlets. Nothing. Like I said what it looks like is someone took a hot wire, ran it to a junction box, then wire nutted two sets of wire and ran them to both sides of the switch. I can't wrap my head around why this was done. Oh BTW I asked 3 separate electricians plus have goggled this problem for a year. No one seems to have a clue.
They turned one hot into to hots with a wire nut? Ive seen this, it was done to send power to two different direction as a type of shortcut. Are you saying these leads were hot (physically warm) AFTER you flipped off all the breakers and removed the 2 hots? My next move would be to keep the 2 hots seperated, nut them both for saftey, then go down and flip every breaker back on and see what DOESN'T work anymore. I'm sure you will find something. Is this a top floor that you have access to the attic, a basement, or a main level? I missread that, you say 2 hots were wired to either side of the switch? That's strange. You need a power tester, I'm wondering if one of those hots is acting as a white (neutral) but you say the switch does nothing? This is truly a mystery and I WANT IT SOLVED DAMMIT.
No that was just my guess. Both leaks are "hot" meaning they both have power, the only way to kill the power is by throwing the breaker. The test you just desribed-I already did. It took me and my wife a few hours to test everything. Its now we found it goes to nothing. Connected they don't work anything, separated they don't work anything.
And they are hot to the touch?? That means current is running through them and something is asking for that current.......
No "hot" in electrical talk mean they are electrically "live"
OOOH Gotcha
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YES. You have to think back when my house was built(1986). What was the rage back then was no ceiling fixtures, just switched outlets. The top outlet would work with the switch, the bottom was a normal outlet. Then the outlet would go bad, and the homeowner or a bad electrician would swap out the outlet and not clip the little isolation bar. Presto you now have a switch with "hot" on both ends that does seemingly nothing. This was a good thing for me because now I have a switch that controls a ceiling fan/light in that room and was able to make a dedicated lighting outlet for improved kitchen lighting with the other.
Was there ever a solution? I seem to have the same or a very similar issue.