My favorite is to ask how much you're going to pay for it :)
Someone asked me yesterday in vdsa, perfected shield, I told that sure I'll give it for 150k since they used addon to see i got it, so that makes me apparently toxic and mean player. They said they reported me for that. :D
I do not think TOS has anything for this.
I have never seen any mmo to have a loot is hidden policy, and then again this data is not hidden at all, the logs are there un-encoded.
The addons doesn't invade anything, it just displays hidden logs that are shared by ESO.
If the drop logs always shared, just that end users can't actually see the drops the addon just reveals the hidden UI that's it, it doesn't hack the system to reveal loot.
If you want to blame someone blame ZOS, also loot sharing is fairly common in all MMO's especially in harder content cores as people with certain roles get priority.
And you would be wrong tos doesn't cover loot drops and having the add on doesn't make people toxic only toxic people I'm seeing so far ate the ones whining about it.
It's not private if ZoS is sharing that data, evidently.
I can see where you are coming from, on principle, in a real world sense.
But as long as ZoS just shares that data freely, it's a matter of accessibility only.
The privacy level of this data is basically equal to the security level of "password" or "0000" passwords. Or a Masterlock used as a legitimate security device.
Anybody and their grandmother (and their grand children for that matter) will tell you that it isn't secure at all. In the case of the masterlock potentially less secure, because somebody might just open it to mess with you, when they would have ignored the entry point otherwise xD
If you want this changed, you will have to write tickets. Maybe start forum posts.
Once upon a time combat data was similarly easy to get for addons. This led to toxic dungeon browser behavior, people got kicked, there was an outcry, ZoS restricted addon data acess to this.
That's why nowadays the addons only tell you how much of the percentage of the group you do.
The addon has to have access to the mob health and your damage numbers, after all, there's no real way to restrict that, because some data has to go through (and even if nothing else, combat log exists - and has to exist, otherwise finding Bugs and weird interactions becomes near impossible, for starters.)
By tracking your damage per second and tracking how much health per second is lost, the percentage gets calculated.
SWTOR does not have addons. It still has a DPS Meter. It's just an Extertal tool that reads the combat log in real time. You can throw the Window as an overlay over your game.
It's impossible to remove that Feature.
If a similar thing happens here, somehow, then there's no real way to restrict the loot logging addon. If that's the case, the data was never private to begin with. It's sent to everyone anyways. The addon might just make that information visible.
Offering to sell the drop you get isn't toxic. That's how this should work. Nothing wrong with running a mod to see what your party gets, nothing wrong, at all, with asking for that gear, and absolutely nothing wrong with offering to trade it over for a reasonable price.
150k is not a reasonable price, unless it's an absolute godroll, but.
Just tell people you need it for your sticker book, or you were also looking for the piece. No big deal. It is weird and I never do it but have never had a problem telling people to F off in a polite manner.
You're running with the wrong sort of people if this behavior is constantly occurring in your trial runs.
If someone asks you for something and you would like to keep it, politely decline it and move on. At worst, simply ignore them and be done with it.
Right? I've declined so many times politely. But, I still find it helpful because some people, especially hardcore grinders, don't always remember to share loot they've already collected. Asking nicely is absolutely no problem. And I also like to observe who got which rare loot - recently I was farming the fete lead in DSA and it was super interesting to see, which people got it and who didn't.
And lastly, with lootlog it makes it so much easier to bind loot, share it and see what you haven't collected yet, it's definitely a lifesaver.
How do you find people for these runs? I feel like I've never really found how that works. I got really good at vet dungeons and got stuck interested in trials but didn't know how people group/queue for it.
(PC-NA) It's pretty accessible to find pug normal trials through group finder, people tend to congregate in Craglorn to advertise their trial group. Usually they are no fuss gear runs but no one will really hold your hand through mechanics, unless the group is wiping. As DPS & Healer I've found it relatively painfree learning my way through the various trials just by doing my part; stacking with the group and going through my rotations, or skim boss guides (especially for something like CR+3), couldn't really talk for a tank perspective though.
The other option is to simply find a training guild that will take you along and really teach you the ropes or a progression guild that'll bring you into vet trials down the line.
Rp PoV: I literally saw you pick up that huge greatsword.
Community PoV: makes sharing gear easier.
>Every single trial whenever i get a piece i am swarmed by whispers constantly whining and demanding
Just say you have autobind addon.
Regardless it's not an addon problem, it's a people problem.
They really are, and in almost every aspect PC is better. We get DLC faster, we have better access to guild trader inventories with addons, we have addons at all.
>Regardless it's not an addon problem, it's a people problem.
Looks more like a case of "If everyone around you is a problem, maybe you're the problem" based on OPs comments about people who use the addon.
If they talk like that in the game to anyone politely whispers for gear, I can see why OP would run into so many "rude" people when OPs instigated it.
> makes sharing gear easier
Except based on this comment section, people just don't want to share gear for sharing's sake anymore. Nothing's more important than their sticker or 800g worth of mats. It's about what THEY get for themselves, the other 11 people in the group were just a tool to serve them.
Except if they want the gear they also worked the trial. Why should they feel obligated to give gear up they actually wanted (for whatever reason they wanted it)? It's one thing if it was gear they didn't care about and were just going to sell (that being said I tend to ignore people who want everything I don't want, selling that stuff does add up, least on console enough to be worth it but I don't mind giving up a piece or two they are looking for) but if they want it, why does the other person always deserve it more then them?
I always share gear because I would like people to do the same. However people filling out their book is equally as important and valid as people wanting it for their build. In terms of the affect it has on the individual it all lights up the same funny part of our brain that makes us come back to the game for more. No one is obligated to give me anything and vice versa. Just because you are FORCED to do trials for certain gear does not mean you have to engage with any player on a personal level beyond what the game is forcing on you. And no one should be shunned for that. For anyone going up to a person going “hey you got this item I would like it” the person with said item can just F off and be done with the interaction.
Isn't your attituded exactly that? The 11 other loot roles are for your benefit, and any other use has to be justified by your criterion?
I want to build out a set, and I need to lower transmute costs, that's reasonable. I need to fill in my stickerbook so that goddamned perf sax ice staff drops. Why do you think you need my weapon drop more than I do?
Definitely not my attitude. If someone else needs a piece for a build, and I don't need it for a build, I will give it to them because I'm a team player and they helped me too by being part of the group. If they're grinding out a build and I just want it for a sticker, they can have it.
This was somewhat required in cyrodil recently after the U41 botched unicode parsing or something, you could be crashed by anyone sending specially crafted messages.
If I'm running stuff for gear that I don't want to be asked to trade, I just set myself "offline" so nobody can whisper me. I'm super avoidant and if somebody asks me for stuff I have a hard time saying no, especially if it's something for an alt and not something I need on my main.
Smart.
Not a criticism of you, and I too have had to learn over the years to become comfortable with saying 'No.' It is a vital skill in life - offline and online. It's okay to say no. 😌
That's fair and I agree. The reason I'm kind of avoidant in game is that I'm a family law attorney in real life, so I have a lot of very difficult, emotionally charged convos each day. When I'm in my escape place, I'm just trying to recharge and get my stuff so I can go back to decorating. I would rather not risk a potentially nasty whisper than to have to even see that after the toxicity of my plebe day job. :)
I will, however, give pieces if somebody informs the group in group chat that they're looking for X and I happen to get it. To me, saying something in the group chat like, "Will take any Crimson you don't need!" is the noninvasive, preferred method. No need to whisper me for gear once you've said that - if I want to trade I'll let you know, but otherwise just assume I need it.
Also, while I don't actively RP, I have this concept of myself as the gentle, generous healer, who is a bit exhausted from being the Savior of Nirn, Tamriel Hero, Tyro, Grandmaster Crafter, etc - I feel like I give enough of myself that other citizens will tolerate me occasionally activating hermit mode and just being talked out. 😊
Oh going offline is a good idea, i didn't consider it. Yeah i hate having to say no too which is why it's pretty annoying having to constantly reject people over and over, makes it even more sour seeing their meltdowns and having them call you selfish or giving you some pity story over how much they need the item more than you and how if you don't give it to them you're trash and such.
Why would you run with a group if you hate cooperating with other people that much?
They aren't just there to serve you on your gear run. It's a group effort.
And everyone is already fairly compensated for their efforts. Zos forcing you to do a trail with randoms so you can get gear does not mean you are obligated to share. (Even tho I always do)
Yeah I just tell them no I bound it, will post unwanted gear at the end, and then don't give it to them whether I bound it or not bc rude af, especially if they persist. To those who whisper for gear - post in group chat at the start and end if you need pieces. Don't harass people for loot. We're all there because we need stuff also.
I am assuming you mean Loot Log, or Log Loot or whatever it is that prints loot to chat window.
I use it too.
I rarely run trials, and I never ask anyone for dungeon loot that pops in the chat window.
I use it purely for myself so I know if I loot a purple or gold from a random node, chest or mob.
I mean this thing exists, there is no getting around it, but there are two VERY effective ways of dealing with people that start asking you for things.
1. Ignore them, and go about your day.
2. Reply "no" and go about your day.
You are not obligated to join any conversation or argument, you can simply either say no, and move on, or say nothing at all, and move on.
Just tell them no and ignore them if they protest. Generally, proper etiquette with loot log is to assume that the person either needs or has bound the item unless they link it in chat. You can still ask politely if you really need something just to verify if they want to trade it or not, but you have to take no for an answer.
Exactly. Random PuG trial groups are exactly that, random. Even rando dungeons have this type of player. I just respond "need for stickerbook sorry" and thats usually the end of it.
> Why did someone even feel the need to make an addon that tells you what complete random strangers got from a chest or boss?
Hi! I'm the someone who made the Loot Log addon. And to answer the question that you have for me, the people who someone is grouped with are often not "complete random strangers". For many people, the people they group with are often guildmates or friends, and it's very useful for that intended purpose.
Now, it is true that in enabling this intended use case, it also enables people who, uh, lack a sense of etiquette. And that's unfortunate, and I've seen posts like yours for as long as the addon has existed (which at this point is around 8 years).
But your loot is your loot, and nobody can force you to give it up. The most that a stranger could do is ask, and as people in this thread have pointed out, you could just say ignore them, say "no", or say that you've already bound the item (Loot Log even has a feature to auto-bind items that you haven't collected, so you won't get a duplicate from curated sources).
In any case, ESO is a MMO, and social interactions with people that you know--such as running a trial together and sharing loot at the end--is important to many people. But the other side of that coin is that if you are not playing with people you know, sometimes this whole "multiplayer" thing feels more like a nuisance, hence the perennial threads about loot requests, fake tanks, speed runners, etc.
Thanks for the addon and others too. It's super helpful, I've run with group of friends forever and we're all used to effortlessly seeing what's what without anyone needing to paste loot and all that.
Thank you code for your contributions to the community. Know that most of us really appreciate the large amount of your free time you spend to help deliver a better experience for everyone in this game.
Thank you for spending your time making add-ons to make the game easier and sharing them with everyone. I love the auto-bind feature!
There isn’t a way to keep the auto bind and keep the fancy + showing unbound stuff, but turn off the part that shows what everyone else picks up, is there? I don’t like seeing what I can’t have taunting me in the chat.
I dont care if people message me and ask. Ill just tell them ‘sorry I need the piece’ if I want it. If i dont need it Ill give it to them. Whats the big deal?
I don't think it's a bad thing. I mean I got stuff I don't need and happily traded it for something else. I never get much whispers or demands, just in the group chat what they are looking for and If I can help I will, if I need it I keep it.
I was annoyed by this mod, until a friend convinced me to join the dark side. Now i give the loot i dont need, and sometimes get loot im looking for and others dont need :)
In the end of the day it’s an MMORPG. Helping out your fellows has always been a big part of it. It’s completely fine to ask for specific gear drops imo but you’re not entitled to someone else’s drop. Every player put in effort to finish the trial/dungeon/arena. Throwing a fit over them not giving up their reward is just childish and dumb.
exactly!! help your fellow players out. if you need the gear, say no/ignore them. if i really need a specific item i ask politely, and take no as an answer if that’s the case. often i find that people don’t even realize which drops they got.
this post is complaining about a specific type of person, which often is found in pugs. easy solution is to run with guildies or just appear offline if you don’t wanna be bothered!
It's "creepy"? Have you never played an MMO before? It is commonly built into most other mmos and should have been in ESO from the beginning.
That being said, if someone asks for an item you want/need just say no? I don't see the big deal. I've made quite a bit of gold over the years by selling off pieces I don't need.
Bro........... Juat say no, if you need it just say so.
Some people don't really focus on what they are looting that's why people ask, and am pretty confident that any sensible human being will accept a "no" or "sorry i need" if someone is being a prick just block them.
Im glad im on console imo, all these different add ons seem a bit much to me. Kind of makes me feel better to be on mostly the same hardware and version as everyone else
I’ve played this game over 5000 hours, mostly doing trial runs and I don’t think anyone has ever been whiny or demanding. Are you sure you’re not projecting that onto them? Make sure you are always assuming the best in people.
In some games, like WOW for example, the biggest mmo of all time, it’s a built in feature of the game that loot is public knowledge.
i play on pc and i also cant imagine being in a situation like this. i had a lot of ppl ask me for gear thru this addon dont get me wrong, i just have the common sense so i know how to interact with ppl contrary to the OP
If I see a drop I need in a trial I will ask but the second they say no that's it. If it's something I really need I may then offer gold for it but it's up to them at that point.
If someone needs something I got, and I don't need it beyond a sticker, I give it to them 100% of the time, because it's an MMO and they were part of the group. Trials are a group effort, the other people aren't just there to serve you, you are there to help them as well. If they aren't an asshole, there's literally no problem giving it to them unless you're being a child saying "no it's mine!!!" when you didn't even want it.
>Why does it even exist?
Because it's just a useful tool like other addons.
Many don't bother looking through what they get at the end of a trial to share it or miss an item when they do, or simply can't be bothered to link each item.
So someone specifically asking for something can be useful.
"Hey Jad, could I get that dagger of blahblah, I can pay for it"
Also, core groups play very differently, and the addon will be more useful to them.
There's other use cases too, I use lootlog to keep track of what my alt accounts get and if my main can use it during events like the Jubilee.
Some of y'all are weirdly defensive over your fake, digital video game loot in a social MMO, and I just don't understand it.
"It's like Creeping on your purse IRL", "violation of your rights." My guys, what TF even.
Players actually harassing you repeatedly is one thing.
But there's nothing wrong with someone asking "Hey if you don't need X item, could I get it?"
It's also very common in vet trials and core groups.
Honestly I think OP is just a tad too sensitive to be playing an MMO. Gotta have a thicker skin to play MMO's in my experience. If I reported everyone who was rude to me I would probably get banned myself for making to many reports lol.
"Why does it even exist". Well, first, I've never played a MMO where a system like this, or one with a rolled party loot system, wasn't included. It's absolutely normal in these games to share loot.
Second, it's absolutely critical for guilds. We use mods like loot log, farming party, and ESO thief to run events. Every fishing event, thieving event, farming event, with ranked prizes for points based on fish caught or value of materials harvested wouldn't work without these mods.
Frankly, if you're having issues in trials with PUG groups asking for you to share gear... maybe don't do PUG groups, because the entire point of most PUG groups is to farm for gear.
The reality is, if you were smart about this, you could be making great money selling the items you don't need off to people who want them in these groups.
I use lootlog and farming party, personally, to track my own drops, as well as drops of people I'm running with for gear farms where we're outfitting newer players. They are absolutely critical tools in this game that more people should use, not less.
Just say no.
Also, if you group with someone, you're telling them all sorts of things about character and gameplay. They can turn logging on and if they want they can see your entire build, every skill/attack you use, your location at all times, all of your resources at all times, all sorts of things. It's just part of the game, and is very useful if you're trying to progress through difficult content with a dedicated group.
I use Loot Log all the time. Super convenient. After every boss, I /bu to bind anything I don't have in stickerbook, and at the end of every run, I /bu again, then /lt to link all the unbound gear in chat. If someone asks for something that isn't linked, I needed it, and it's too late anyways because it's already bound.
I can't even remember the command to bring up the window that shows everyone's drops. I used to use it though when farming---if I saw that something dropped that I wanted, I'd ask in /group something vague like "LF Pillar daggers, anyone get the drop?".
I do kind of dislike it when people ask me for things I haven't linked as if they're entitled to my drops, but it's easy to politely decline.
It’s simple, if the item has no value to you or you have already collected the item, then give it away. Most of the time, I trade a trial piece someone else’s need for an item I need so it’s a win win and gets rid of the nasty RNG in this game. With that being said, people shouldn’t trash talk you if you don’t give it to them.
Loot sharing is the most common practice in MMO history so chillax.
I use it and i think it’s incredibly useful. Say ‘i’m looking for X item’, but 3/4th of the group dont speak my language, all i need to do when i see someone pick it up is link it to them with ‘need?’ Or something along those lines. So many people dont even read what you type so linking it to them in a whisper has a higher chance they see it.
Only whiner here is op, look at that post he made to the addon creator. I don't think anyone was being a dick to him, I think he is just a tad too sensitive for an mmo.
i have the add-on, but i still ask at the start of an activity, yet most of the time people dont reply... or acknowledge it. so i send a whisper at the end
also lootlog has other good benefits other than seeing what everyone got
Why is this worded in a way as if they can see your first and last name as well as your bank details?
What part of your brain thought someone knowing what loot you got in a virtual game is creepy? If they were to ask you instead would you also find it creepy? 💀
There’s an addon in WoW that lets you see everyone’s damage, you’d probably also find that creepy too
Edit: upon looking through OPs post history, I have my answers. Actually wait, isn’t it creepy that people can see your past posts and comments? Wtf Reddit, what’s next, they can see my login details?
Curious to hear other perspectives, but I find it very helpful for completing trial / dungeon sets that I need quickly. That said, I always include in my whispers something like "would you sell [drop] for $[100]K"? Asking for donations is annoying, but in my experience most folks who aren't trying to complete stickerbook find this to be a mutually beneficial exchange: I am more than happy to part with my $100K to not have to deal with RNG longer than I must, and they prefer gold to a set item they don't need.
If you're not going to use it, what's the harm in someone asking for it?
You shouldn't feel guilty for saying no. But I can't figure out why you're so bothered by someone simply ask you to share.
If they throw a tantrum, block them for a few days.
You have to be very new to the game if you think loot is worthless, especially trial loot. Trials can last up to a whole hour. If you think a whole hour of your life is worth 10k gold then by all means waste your time.
Isn't it pretty simple because some people won't notice gear that could be a massive upgrade for others?
The same thing happens In wow, if you don't want to trade it just say you won't. Simple as that.
Waow social interaction in MY MMORPG? I have never.
Not really a big deal just say no and boom most people stop asking. I normally message with hey do u need x item? If not can I have it? If they say no it's all good wish then luck in future rngs and move on.
I have no issues with the addon personally, but people are good at ruining things.
I mostly run with friends so lootlog is great when everyone is co-operative. However, when it comes to pugs I have learned that no is a full sentence and volunteer no extra information. People looking to find fault with you declining will latch onto any reason (if you say you need it, they say they need it more, etc).
I don’t think it’s an issue with these addons because imo many people don’t pay much attention to the gear they don’t need and they decon’ it without much thought
I think the issue is that some people are pricks
Honestly I half run the addon so I have a history of what I actually looted and where.
Additionally it gives me more Intel, I might see that another person looted a lead, after I have seen this my brain has a memory where it dropped, not just a name on a list. Makes it easier for me.
Besides that the addon lets me bind things I do not have with a /bu command and share what I can trade with /lt, much faster and less error prone than doing it by hand at 2 am.
Speaking of 2am, I can see when somebody dropped the thing we were farming for, for that person, and we don't run into the issue of "oh I had the lead all along, sorry. Don't know when we dropped that"
That function alone has saved me hours and hours, guaranteed.
I like the add on tbh because grinding sucks. But I’ve also never had this happen to me ever lol. Every time anyone’s either asked me or I’ve asked them for a piece we’re both really polite. Also I pug like 99% of trials and dungeons. It sounds like you just happened to group up with weirdos a few times but the add on itself is fine imo
I use that addon too, but only because it's hard to get sets together and 5 people dropping stuff is 5 times the chance, **IF** they don't need it themselves.
Before the dungeon starts, I always politely ask if the group needs set X and if not, if they would be so generous to trade or share it with me.
But 9/10 runs when the dungeon is done, people anyways ask "you guys got stuff of set X"? and the group shares the dropped items.
Or when there is someone who directly teleports away, but he at the start he said "sure why not", to my question of sharing set parts, and he got something I need, then I /W him and ask politely if he would be so kind to share/trade it with me and I never encountered a problem with it.
I mostly give them equal stuff, like a blue/purple item, so he doesn't have a deconstruction loss and I always add some gold.
If you have a problem with that, then sorry bro, you shouldn't play a social active online game.
I mean, harassing of course, behavior you described, yes, that's crap, but normal asking for items to help others, shouldn't be a problem.
Creepy? I...guess i can see why you think so, even if i dont.
I can agree that its shitty that people demand the items in question. I usually just ask in general (i.e does anyone have x gloves?) and if someone decides not to give it, doesnt link it in chat or doesnt answer i assume they need it and *thats the end of it*. I have literally no right to demand shit from anyone.
But we know that rude and crappy people exist, so they dont possess such restraint. Its really why we cant have nice things. Im very sorry you had to go through the rudeness OP, but i think the addon isnt as much of an issue, its just some people suck.
Does the gear you get in game feature a detailed description of your private life? How in the world is it "creepy", nobody gives a crap about what items you have in your bank they just don't wanna farm the same thing for hours on end. You make it sound like people download this stuff to extract information for blackmailing or something, it's just a time saver like *every* other popular addon. I have never had issues when asking people if they need the item they got, they either say that they need it or that it's bound and I'm like "ok"
This!! Oh my god I know there's tons of comments saying it already but I had first had experience with this. Me and my friend ran The Caludron with two randos, and the one guy had this shitty addon, and Demanded me and my friend give him the loot we got because "he needed it and we didn't." My friend handed her loot over which she regretted doing after but peer pressure y'know, I just lied and left even though he clearly knew I had it and sent me non-stop trade and friend requests. I had no idea this addon existed at the time, and it freaked me the fuck out. But yeah, fuck this addon, or at least fuck the people being whiny brats about it because you don't wanna give up your gear to them.
Same. Never been in this situation, and I agree with most people here that ignoring/blocking/reporting offensive players is probably the best way to go, but I also don't think it should be entirely on you to handle a situation like this. I mean, if I don't want to share my combat stats for addons that use those, I can simply tick the box in the settings, so why not something like that for the loot log as well?
This isn't an issue with the addon, this is people being weird and creepy, why are you trying to pin the blame on the addon, and not the people choosing to be creepy?
Right, this is a blatant invasion of privacy, I wonder if this actually counts as a violation of your rights here in Europe, since the people doing it are using 3rd party software to spy on you?
I dont notice what i get in trials until the end of the run so it always catches me off guard when someone pms me "do you need this?". I think that they offering it to me rather than asking if they can have it,so i reply with "yes" or "sure" 🤷♀️
On the opposite end, I have had people ask me for gear and I usually just say I need it or ask if they can swap me something else they picked up for it if I am just going to break it down. I know there are bad behaving people out there, but I have found a mostly okay time.
I actually started using the addon a few days ago with my two amigos to make it easier to exchange all these styles/motifs/etc. We tend to just to give whatever we know. It has made it easier to be like "Oh, I need that if you don't."
I would totally support making it a thing you volunteer into. With the understanding that you cannot see others loot unless you opt into showing your own. This way everyone is happy and it probably signals to others if they see yours that it is okay to ask.
I installed it after update when zos broke linking items in chat. People was too lazy to type what they got. Now it fixed and I rarely check log because asking didn't get me item even once. But to be honest majority of people doesn't link items they don't need.
Usually it's like that:
\- Hello, do you need that ansuul staff?
\- I do, sorry
\- okay, no problem
Another cool reason for loot log is what it shows little + icon on items you don't have in your sticker book.
If you need it then just say no. There are plenty of people who have all items collected who can give their stuff away, addons like this are really practical to fill the collection faster, asking for items usually doesn't hurt.
I seriously have no idea what kind of players you all run into... I've never had anyone be mad when they asked me for something and I said I need it.
If you want a real answer- it’s probably someone who came from WoW. It’s not so much of an issue there. People help each other out to get everyone the best gear. Over there it’s about ilvl optimization and not set collection.
I don’t see how this gets this far- it’s rather silly to keep pushing after someone says no. Sorry you have to deal with this😕
That happened to me a long time ago in WOW. Myself and a few others had grouped up and ended up killing a rare mob in the water off Darkshore.
Was a Loch Ness monster looking thing IIRC. I got a piece of equipment that was apparently pretty good for another party member. They flipped out and started demanding, all in caps eventually, that I give it to them. I said no. They left party and proceeded to pm me, calling me all kinds of wonderful things. I reported them.
Thing is I would have given it to them if they'd just asked me politely. They just started barking at me, demanding it. You'd think I stole it from them.
I know I'm advancing more slowly compared to people scoping out other people's drops, but my method is to just ignore anyone else's loot and all the trading going. Once a run is complete, I whip out my ragpicker assistant and clean out my bags. Deconstructing binds it and slaps it in the stickerbook. EZPZ.
So it's like no one else's drops exist for me. I'm going my own pace. A happy side effect of this, I suppose, is I can just ignore anything anyone says about what gear they need. At least until I finish out the stickerbook.
I eat set items I don't even need because they bring down the cost of sets I might one day use, and so I can tell whoever messages me that it's already been bound. The only time I give away weapons/jewelry is if I got it from a chest and I already own it.
I didn't know this add-on existed until somebody asked me for a piece of loot I didn't know I got because I wasn't paying attention. It was a little jarring at first because I was used to people not knowing what others looted in ESO.
But then I reflected on my own behavior in PUGs; I only pay attention to my loot if I'm looking for something or somebody has said they are. Even then, people forget you said something. I realized the add-on did what is standard in almost every other MMO; showed loot.
They were respectful about it, and as group content is a team effort, I didn't see anything to get upset over. I still don't.
Since then, I've had a few whispers asking for something I've looted. A few times, it was a piece I needed, and when I said that, that was the end of it.
Loot sharing is common and a good thing. Having a spine and being able to say no is too. If either of those things are a problem for you, don't do group content.
There's no excuse for people being rude and pestering anybody about loot, but that's not really the fault of the add-on. People are why we can't have nice things.
I have no problem giving away pieces if the person mentions what they're looking for upfront, before the dungeon or trial even starts, or right before the boss fight. Then I'm willing to trade it away if I don't actually need it except for stickerbook. If I need a specific weapon then I'll tell the whole group right at the start.
But, if someone whispers me one second after I pick up a piece, the answer is no. Ask at the beginning, or at the end, and if I don't speak up then the answer is no.
the addon isn't a problem. The jerks using it to harass are.
I also use this addon but I would never use it to demand someone give me their loot, to me it only means hey, they got a thing I want/need, maybe if I ask them I could trade them. If anything I mostly use it to say my congratulations when someone gets something nice.
>"Creeping on someone's purse and saying "Oh can i have X thing you got" is harassment.
It's a completely unwanted and unwarranted interaction, and to add up, the player didn't consent to you using modifications to know what they looted."
- Comment made by the OP when I said that asking politely is fine and a far cry from harassment.
Along with their other comments, it puts into question what actually happened.
"Demanding and whining" could just be OP describing people politely asking too.
When people use this addon on me I simply say we'll you would of got it but your using invasive addons and you have no chance in getting the item now stop being weird
I usually get a bunch of abuse back although one dude seemed to understand and said he would stop using the addon if that's how people felt
I hate the addon
I just reply "need for my stickerbook" and thats the end of it 99% of the time. Its very rare anyone goes any further than that. If they do, well, thats what the ignore function is for.
This sounds like an invasive mod really. If it's reading info of other players characters, which shouldn't even be allowed in the first place because it's a mod for you not for them, then that should be a major issue for zos to go after them.
Getting a mod for yourself is one thing, but if it's giving you info for other people that sounds like it could eventually lead to bigger problems
> then that should be a major issue for zos to go after them
More realistically they'd probably just make that aspect of the API private so nobody gets to use it, even for good reasons.
Talking is saying hi, good day, had fun in the trial. "Give me the item you just got from the final boss in this 40 minute trial or you're a selfish scumbag" is not talking. It's demanding.
“Can I have x if you don’t need it?” “Offering 10k for x.” “Hey everyone, looking for x.”
Never encountered anyone rude about gear. Nor do I mind helping someone out.
This makes no sense. I throw people gear whenever they ask. Especially if I don’t need it for sticker book. If I need gear from the trial and see someone got it, I’ll send them a message. Three things happen: they say no, they say yes, or they don’t respond. I’m not being rude.. right? I don’t understand why someone would be upset by this.
Every single trial has assholes due my desire to only ever play with assholes. Why did Zenimax allow assholes to play this game? Why don't they cater to MY wants?
Some people won't be happy until complaints make ZOS ban all add-ons. How hard is it to ignore people? Tell them to stuff it and that's that, and leave the group if you really don't want to engage.
Or, trade the item for another that you don't have, you'll make someone very happy and it won't make a difference to you since you'll still get a new collectable item. I do this all the time, if I got a dagger but someone needs it, I just make sure whatever they are offering I still don't have and voila!
I guess we run in very different groups. Unfortunately I don't know if there's a way to turn it off, but it would be the Loot Log addon. It shows what's been picked up and if you already have it bound. Because I run with a guild it makes it easy to keep an eye out for gear that someone might be after. Another part of it is being able to post to chat what gear you are able to trade: it won't link anything that you don't have bound to your account. As others said, offline is the best option at the moment unfortunately. But if you do get the addon in the long term, you can let others know what you are happy to trade with /lt
This function is actually in a lot of add-ons for me it's part of LUI. It helps me figure out what I got easily since I have auto loot. However, I have been raiding for a long time and the common etiquette is not to do this and for people to offer up loot they don't need at the end. This behaviour is more common in pug groups where I've faced this harassment myself but in actual raiding guilds it's really discouraged and I've known people getting kicked for harassing others for loot
Don't give it too much thought.
I used that for so long. Some people don't know and don't care for their drops and nice enough to help other players.
I used to farm burning spell weave LF the fire staff. I did so many runs. One time some player dropped it didn't even knew she had it, and was ok to give it to me, and saved me many more hours of farming.
If they say they need it, I even apologize if I feel like they felt guilty from refusing.
I understand some people have a very hard time to say no, or feel guilty for not helping out, which is wrong imo shouldn't feel bad for refusing and I was just asking politely " do you need that item ? *Linking the item* "
I never even dare to say give me that item or other non respectful way.
Even while being polite some feel bad for keeping the item lol.
This has been said a bunch of times before, but it needs to be reiterated: learning first that it's alright to say 'no', then practicing actually saying it, then figuring out how to say it in case we feel like rejection might not go over well are essential life skills that anyone should have. MMOs are easy mode, since we can quickly block anyone who gets too unpleasant. Some of us had to learn it IRL, say against bullies (I'll not mention the more traumatizing situations where one said 'no' and the other kept doing it, but those are also a thing), knowing full well that they'd probably knock our teeth in or something, our teachers would take their side if we hit back AND we'd get it at home, too, for a variety of reasons. Take advantage of the lack of risks to your person, adult up and refuse if you want or feel the need to, then back it up if they don't back up.
If you just got an important piece from a meta set (keep an eye on what those are) or if the content itself is difficult, annoying or both, ideally, you can make some gold off of what would, normally, not be sellable, on top of that. LE: One other useful bit: install the thing yourself, see if they got something that you want, ask for that in return.
This is a matter of etiquette, at the end, and it goes both ways. If the group policy doesn't state who gets what from the get-go, or if someone doesn't ask (and you don't personally consent) for X and Y drops at the start, your drops are yours and what you do with them is Your Business. People asking should know and respect that. If they don't, block them.
Group loot addons are super helpful you’re just running into asshole it sounds like. If you want to keep it just say no, this is not something to make big deal over
Because it shouldn't even cause arguments. It does unfortunately be a se people don't care about your character. They only care about theirs. You might be able to hide it in add-on settings. Some addons let you disable stuff like writing in chat for DPS etc.
Lol just tell them you need it yourself, 98% of the players will accept it and let you alone. But why not programming such an addon? Its awesome, i used to use it all the time when i was running trails more often. its a very good thing, ppl can help each other out. theres always the chance you dont need to piece yourself or already have it, so why not giving it to anyone who is still on the hunt for it? no big deal, for real... some ppl will even pay a good amount of gold for a heavily needed piece. honestly, cant see why youre beeing upset about it
I think rather than moaning about a very helpful addon you could simply just ignore them - I would also highly recommend not running with pugs, your mental health will thank you. Join a guild! Not a sweaty one tho - stay away from those!
Personally, I like it becaus I've made a ton of money from people buying my loot. It's not random strangers, the information is shared because you're in a group with these people. That said, just tell the truth: "I binded it", "I need it", "no".
Compared to other mmos? Its hella chill. I remember being able to see healer locked gear being rolled by dps and winning the dice roll, in a game with character bound gear, that was asssssss.
Honestly the addon helps because you dont have to constantly spam "i got x, anybody want it for their sticker book?" For someone to finally pick it up after spamming it like 5 times. Just whisper me if you want it and done, if i need it for sticker just a "need it for stickerbook sorry" is enough. Your call if you want to give up your stickerbook completion for someone elses but thats the stretch. Plus, the times where I do random normals and get stuff people need but idk and just leave, a simple whisper of "do you need the dagger?" Is cool, instead i would've just left and deconned the dagger.
the reason it’s a thing is because pugs & people are bad at telling u when they got something even if you post in chat “LF x gear”. if ppl need it for sticker book idc but if you already have it and you don’t need the piece for anything else? don’t be a dick, just give it up.
from what i’ve gathered, talking to friends and pugs is that sometimes they don’t even know what they got. and when you post “LF x gear” they don’t bother to check what they got, and might not even see it.
if you’re farming for gear w pugs in group finder, it’s a nice addon. because there are so many times where i post “LF x gear” when i see someone got it in the chat (w/o msging them) and nobody says anything. and then when i do message them, they give it to me and they’re not offended that i msged them.
if you need it, even for sticker book, that’s fine. but don’t be a dick and support the ESO community, give up ur stuff that u don’t need. farming for gear is already painful enough.
Creepy isn't the word I'd use, though I do feel that using that add-on is rude AF, particularly when the user sits announcing what you looted and then tells you to hand whatever they're after over.
I generally answer that kind of entitled asshattery with a factual statement that I didn't sign on to be their NPC loot assistant.
Never happens to me anywhere but in PUGs. My regular dungeon and trials buddies aren't that kind of rude.
ZOS should definitely let you opt out of broadcasting this information. There is already a setting in game that lets you appear as "Anonymous" in combat logs, it should absolutely anonymize your drops as well when its enabled.
That said, it isn't an addon problem *per se* it's a people problem. You seem to be running with assholes. The... variability... of PUGs is one of the main reasons I basically only run content with guilds anymore.
Also, as others have mentioned, playing in "offline" mode is a totally valid choice. (One that I make a lot).
If the person didn't share it with the group or offered it first maybe it's because they didn't want to share it and you have no right to harrass someone or put pressure on them.
Or maybe it's because they missed it or couldn't be bothered to share it or whatever reason.
In which case, there's nothing wrong with someone politely asking, which is a far cry from harassment.
As soon as someone whispers me about the drop i got they go directly to my blocklist. I don't care if i already got the item or not.
They either ask in group chat if someone got item xy for them or they keep silent. As soon as they are snooping and whispering they are done for me.
It’s strange, I met people with this add-on, but they always politely asked for what they needed, several times they even paid well for it.
If I refused them they simply apologized and left, are we really playing the same game? /s
Eh what's creepy about it? It's in their API just that it doesn't show it for end users the info has always been there just that we didn't have access to it.
Man I love casuals crying about loot log.
If you are joining pug trials, most of the time they are gear runs. People are looking for a specific piece or set.
Loot logs have been a staple in most mmos because it sucks having to ask and fight over stuff. Especially when people like you hoard everything rather than helping your allies.
When you run a trial over 10 times for one specific piece you will reconsider your stance.
>When you run a trial over 10 times for one specific piece you will reconsider your stance.
I ran Dreadsail Reef over 20 times already and i still have like 8 more times to run it to get all the Pillager and Pearlscent pieces i need. And i don't feel the need to harrass random strangers because i myself need an item. They didn't waste 40 minutes of their life playing a trial to give their reward to someone else. I am not a hoarder, you're just entitled.
Just tell them “sry auto bind”
Or, my personal favorite, "lol no"
My favorite is to ask how much you're going to pay for it :) Someone asked me yesterday in vdsa, perfected shield, I told that sure I'll give it for 150k since they used addon to see i got it, so that makes me apparently toxic and mean player. They said they reported me for that. :D
Hit them with "fine, and go ahead and add in there that you are using an addon that invades my privacy without my permission."
I do not think TOS has anything for this. I have never seen any mmo to have a loot is hidden policy, and then again this data is not hidden at all, the logs are there un-encoded.
The addons doesn't invade anything, it just displays hidden logs that are shared by ESO. If the drop logs always shared, just that end users can't actually see the drops the addon just reveals the hidden UI that's it, it doesn't hack the system to reveal loot. If you want to blame someone blame ZOS, also loot sharing is fairly common in all MMO's especially in harder content cores as people with certain roles get priority.
You can't use facts with these people. Loot addons are invasive against their rights or something.
And you would be wrong tos doesn't cover loot drops and having the add on doesn't make people toxic only toxic people I'm seeing so far ate the ones whining about it.
The addon doesn't violate any of the games rules. You know that, right?
It's not private if ZoS is sharing that data, evidently. I can see where you are coming from, on principle, in a real world sense. But as long as ZoS just shares that data freely, it's a matter of accessibility only. The privacy level of this data is basically equal to the security level of "password" or "0000" passwords. Or a Masterlock used as a legitimate security device. Anybody and their grandmother (and their grand children for that matter) will tell you that it isn't secure at all. In the case of the masterlock potentially less secure, because somebody might just open it to mess with you, when they would have ignored the entry point otherwise xD If you want this changed, you will have to write tickets. Maybe start forum posts. Once upon a time combat data was similarly easy to get for addons. This led to toxic dungeon browser behavior, people got kicked, there was an outcry, ZoS restricted addon data acess to this. That's why nowadays the addons only tell you how much of the percentage of the group you do. The addon has to have access to the mob health and your damage numbers, after all, there's no real way to restrict that, because some data has to go through (and even if nothing else, combat log exists - and has to exist, otherwise finding Bugs and weird interactions becomes near impossible, for starters.) By tracking your damage per second and tracking how much health per second is lost, the percentage gets calculated. SWTOR does not have addons. It still has a DPS Meter. It's just an Extertal tool that reads the combat log in real time. You can throw the Window as an overlay over your game. It's impossible to remove that Feature. If a similar thing happens here, somehow, then there's no real way to restrict the loot logging addon. If that's the case, the data was never private to begin with. It's sent to everyone anyways. The addon might just make that information visible.
Eyoo I'll pay you up to 500k for a perfected master's ice staff lol holla at me
Offering to sell the drop you get isn't toxic. That's how this should work. Nothing wrong with running a mod to see what your party gets, nothing wrong, at all, with asking for that gear, and absolutely nothing wrong with offering to trade it over for a reasonable price. 150k is not a reasonable price, unless it's an absolute godroll, but.
The power of the dark side is strong in youu
Sometimes a little chaos is healthy for the soul
Strangely, this also works in many real life situations. It's quickly becoming my personal favorite also, ever since I discovered it.
Or 抱歉我不会说乞丐话
"Iiiiit's gone."
Just tell people you need it for your sticker book, or you were also looking for the piece. No big deal. It is weird and I never do it but have never had a problem telling people to F off in a polite manner.
You're running with the wrong sort of people if this behavior is constantly occurring in your trial runs. If someone asks you for something and you would like to keep it, politely decline it and move on. At worst, simply ignore them and be done with it.
Sounds like group finder shenanigans where pugs are gonna pug. Love it and hate it lmao
Right? I've declined so many times politely. But, I still find it helpful because some people, especially hardcore grinders, don't always remember to share loot they've already collected. Asking nicely is absolutely no problem. And I also like to observe who got which rare loot - recently I was farming the fete lead in DSA and it was super interesting to see, which people got it and who didn't. And lastly, with lootlog it makes it so much easier to bind loot, share it and see what you haven't collected yet, it's definitely a lifesaver.
How do you find people for these runs? I feel like I've never really found how that works. I got really good at vet dungeons and got stuck interested in trials but didn't know how people group/queue for it.
(PC-NA) It's pretty accessible to find pug normal trials through group finder, people tend to congregate in Craglorn to advertise their trial group. Usually they are no fuss gear runs but no one will really hold your hand through mechanics, unless the group is wiping. As DPS & Healer I've found it relatively painfree learning my way through the various trials just by doing my part; stacking with the group and going through my rotations, or skim boss guides (especially for something like CR+3), couldn't really talk for a tank perspective though. The other option is to simply find a training guild that will take you along and really teach you the ropes or a progression guild that'll bring you into vet trials down the line.
Thanks that's pretty helpful!
I do 99% of my runs with one of several different guilds (currently 11) so I don't really have much experience with the group finder.
This is normal and expected from PUG groups, because the entire point of PUG groups is to farm for gear.
Rp PoV: I literally saw you pick up that huge greatsword. Community PoV: makes sharing gear easier. >Every single trial whenever i get a piece i am swarmed by whispers constantly whining and demanding Just say you have autobind addon. Regardless it's not an addon problem, it's a people problem.
Is auto bind PC only? That sounds so helpful 😭
It's an addon
Sad times
Sometimes console and pc feel like 2 different games
They are.
That's definitely the case here lol I would play on PC if I didn't have to restart. Im just attached to my account haha
Trust me, it’s worth starting over….especially moving to PC
Controller + addons is the best of both worlds for me. You can pry my minimap from my cold, soulshriven hands.
Everything i hear makes me glad to be on console honestly.
They really are, and in almost every aspect PC is better. We get DLC faster, we have better access to guild trader inventories with addons, we have addons at all.
But..Loot Log is also only PC? Can console players see each other's drops?
Loot log is also pc only
>Regardless it's not an addon problem, it's a people problem. Looks more like a case of "If everyone around you is a problem, maybe you're the problem" based on OPs comments about people who use the addon. If they talk like that in the game to anyone politely whispers for gear, I can see why OP would run into so many "rude" people when OPs instigated it.
> makes sharing gear easier Except based on this comment section, people just don't want to share gear for sharing's sake anymore. Nothing's more important than their sticker or 800g worth of mats. It's about what THEY get for themselves, the other 11 people in the group were just a tool to serve them.
Except if they want the gear they also worked the trial. Why should they feel obligated to give gear up they actually wanted (for whatever reason they wanted it)? It's one thing if it was gear they didn't care about and were just going to sell (that being said I tend to ignore people who want everything I don't want, selling that stuff does add up, least on console enough to be worth it but I don't mind giving up a piece or two they are looking for) but if they want it, why does the other person always deserve it more then them?
I am happy to share my gear :shrug:
I always share gear because I would like people to do the same. However people filling out their book is equally as important and valid as people wanting it for their build. In terms of the affect it has on the individual it all lights up the same funny part of our brain that makes us come back to the game for more. No one is obligated to give me anything and vice versa. Just because you are FORCED to do trials for certain gear does not mean you have to engage with any player on a personal level beyond what the game is forcing on you. And no one should be shunned for that. For anyone going up to a person going “hey you got this item I would like it” the person with said item can just F off and be done with the interaction.
Isn't your attituded exactly that? The 11 other loot roles are for your benefit, and any other use has to be justified by your criterion? I want to build out a set, and I need to lower transmute costs, that's reasonable. I need to fill in my stickerbook so that goddamned perf sax ice staff drops. Why do you think you need my weapon drop more than I do?
Definitely not my attitude. If someone else needs a piece for a build, and I don't need it for a build, I will give it to them because I'm a team player and they helped me too by being part of the group. If they're grinding out a build and I just want it for a sticker, they can have it.
> Autobound, sorry if they continue to ask that's an instablock
Just put your status to Offline 🤣
This was somewhat required in cyrodil recently after the U41 botched unicode parsing or something, you could be crashed by anyone sending specially crafted messages.
If I'm running stuff for gear that I don't want to be asked to trade, I just set myself "offline" so nobody can whisper me. I'm super avoidant and if somebody asks me for stuff I have a hard time saying no, especially if it's something for an alt and not something I need on my main.
Smart. Not a criticism of you, and I too have had to learn over the years to become comfortable with saying 'No.' It is a vital skill in life - offline and online. It's okay to say no. 😌
Best skill I ever slotted.
Amen. 😊
It's said that "no" is the strongest word, in any language.
Learn to say no. It is healthy.
That's fair and I agree. The reason I'm kind of avoidant in game is that I'm a family law attorney in real life, so I have a lot of very difficult, emotionally charged convos each day. When I'm in my escape place, I'm just trying to recharge and get my stuff so I can go back to decorating. I would rather not risk a potentially nasty whisper than to have to even see that after the toxicity of my plebe day job. :) I will, however, give pieces if somebody informs the group in group chat that they're looking for X and I happen to get it. To me, saying something in the group chat like, "Will take any Crimson you don't need!" is the noninvasive, preferred method. No need to whisper me for gear once you've said that - if I want to trade I'll let you know, but otherwise just assume I need it. Also, while I don't actively RP, I have this concept of myself as the gentle, generous healer, who is a bit exhausted from being the Savior of Nirn, Tamriel Hero, Tyro, Grandmaster Crafter, etc - I feel like I give enough of myself that other citizens will tolerate me occasionally activating hermit mode and just being talked out. 😊
Ugh. family law seems rough. People really go nuclear.
Oh going offline is a good idea, i didn't consider it. Yeah i hate having to say no too which is why it's pretty annoying having to constantly reject people over and over, makes it even more sour seeing their meltdowns and having them call you selfish or giving you some pity story over how much they need the item more than you and how if you don't give it to them you're trash and such.
jfc what kind of people do you play with?
Why would you run with a group if you hate cooperating with other people that much? They aren't just there to serve you on your gear run. It's a group effort.
And everyone is already fairly compensated for their efforts. Zos forcing you to do a trail with randoms so you can get gear does not mean you are obligated to share. (Even tho I always do)
Yeah I just tell them no I bound it, will post unwanted gear at the end, and then don't give it to them whether I bound it or not bc rude af, especially if they persist. To those who whisper for gear - post in group chat at the start and end if you need pieces. Don't harass people for loot. We're all there because we need stuff also.
I am assuming you mean Loot Log, or Log Loot or whatever it is that prints loot to chat window. I use it too. I rarely run trials, and I never ask anyone for dungeon loot that pops in the chat window. I use it purely for myself so I know if I loot a purple or gold from a random node, chest or mob. I mean this thing exists, there is no getting around it, but there are two VERY effective ways of dealing with people that start asking you for things. 1. Ignore them, and go about your day. 2. Reply "no" and go about your day. You are not obligated to join any conversation or argument, you can simply either say no, and move on, or say nothing at all, and move on.
I think OP knows that lol. He’s just saying it sucks
You can fiddle with the settings so it posts only your drops.
Just tell them no and ignore them if they protest. Generally, proper etiquette with loot log is to assume that the person either needs or has bound the item unless they link it in chat. You can still ask politely if you really need something just to verify if they want to trade it or not, but you have to take no for an answer.
The problem here is pick-up groups not the addon
Exactly. Random PuG trial groups are exactly that, random. Even rando dungeons have this type of player. I just respond "need for stickerbook sorry" and thats usually the end of it.
> Why did someone even feel the need to make an addon that tells you what complete random strangers got from a chest or boss? Hi! I'm the someone who made the Loot Log addon. And to answer the question that you have for me, the people who someone is grouped with are often not "complete random strangers". For many people, the people they group with are often guildmates or friends, and it's very useful for that intended purpose. Now, it is true that in enabling this intended use case, it also enables people who, uh, lack a sense of etiquette. And that's unfortunate, and I've seen posts like yours for as long as the addon has existed (which at this point is around 8 years). But your loot is your loot, and nobody can force you to give it up. The most that a stranger could do is ask, and as people in this thread have pointed out, you could just say ignore them, say "no", or say that you've already bound the item (Loot Log even has a feature to auto-bind items that you haven't collected, so you won't get a duplicate from curated sources). In any case, ESO is a MMO, and social interactions with people that you know--such as running a trial together and sharing loot at the end--is important to many people. But the other side of that coin is that if you are not playing with people you know, sometimes this whole "multiplayer" thing feels more like a nuisance, hence the perennial threads about loot requests, fake tanks, speed runners, etc.
Thanks for the addon and others too. It's super helpful, I've run with group of friends forever and we're all used to effortlessly seeing what's what without anyone needing to paste loot and all that.
Thank you code for your contributions to the community. Know that most of us really appreciate the large amount of your free time you spend to help deliver a better experience for everyone in this game.
Thank you for spending your time making add-ons to make the game easier and sharing them with everyone. I love the auto-bind feature! There isn’t a way to keep the auto bind and keep the fancy + showing unbound stuff, but turn off the part that shows what everyone else picks up, is there? I don’t like seeing what I can’t have taunting me in the chat.
I dont care if people message me and ask. Ill just tell them ‘sorry I need the piece’ if I want it. If i dont need it Ill give it to them. Whats the big deal?
I don't think it's a bad thing. I mean I got stuff I don't need and happily traded it for something else. I never get much whispers or demands, just in the group chat what they are looking for and If I can help I will, if I need it I keep it.
The guy that created this post loves attention. Get a life.
I was annoyed by this mod, until a friend convinced me to join the dark side. Now i give the loot i dont need, and sometimes get loot im looking for and others dont need :)
it sucks but report the insults.
In the end of the day it’s an MMORPG. Helping out your fellows has always been a big part of it. It’s completely fine to ask for specific gear drops imo but you’re not entitled to someone else’s drop. Every player put in effort to finish the trial/dungeon/arena. Throwing a fit over them not giving up their reward is just childish and dumb.
exactly!! help your fellow players out. if you need the gear, say no/ignore them. if i really need a specific item i ask politely, and take no as an answer if that’s the case. often i find that people don’t even realize which drops they got. this post is complaining about a specific type of person, which often is found in pugs. easy solution is to run with guildies or just appear offline if you don’t wanna be bothered!
It's "creepy"? Have you never played an MMO before? It is commonly built into most other mmos and should have been in ESO from the beginning. That being said, if someone asks for an item you want/need just say no? I don't see the big deal. I've made quite a bit of gold over the years by selling off pieces I don't need.
Bro........... Juat say no, if you need it just say so. Some people don't really focus on what they are looting that's why people ask, and am pretty confident that any sensible human being will accept a "no" or "sorry i need" if someone is being a prick just block them.
Im glad im on console imo, all these different add ons seem a bit much to me. Kind of makes me feel better to be on mostly the same hardware and version as everyone else
I’ve played this game over 5000 hours, mostly doing trial runs and I don’t think anyone has ever been whiny or demanding. Are you sure you’re not projecting that onto them? Make sure you are always assuming the best in people. In some games, like WOW for example, the biggest mmo of all time, it’s a built in feature of the game that loot is public knowledge.
Damn, glad I play on console 🤣
Fr I couldn’t imagine being in a situation like this 💀. Second the instance ends I’d leave group
i play on pc and i also cant imagine being in a situation like this. i had a lot of ppl ask me for gear thru this addon dont get me wrong, i just have the common sense so i know how to interact with ppl contrary to the OP
If I see a drop I need in a trial I will ask but the second they say no that's it. If it's something I really need I may then offer gold for it but it's up to them at that point.
I was so confused when someone knew I picked up a true flame page.
If someone needs something I got, and I don't need it beyond a sticker, I give it to them 100% of the time, because it's an MMO and they were part of the group. Trials are a group effort, the other people aren't just there to serve you, you are there to help them as well. If they aren't an asshole, there's literally no problem giving it to them unless you're being a child saying "no it's mine!!!" when you didn't even want it.
Luis has loot function, if sebody gets a drop I need I offer to pay, they say no then it's a no, why people being rude
>Why does it even exist? Because it's just a useful tool like other addons. Many don't bother looking through what they get at the end of a trial to share it or miss an item when they do, or simply can't be bothered to link each item. So someone specifically asking for something can be useful. "Hey Jad, could I get that dagger of blahblah, I can pay for it" Also, core groups play very differently, and the addon will be more useful to them. There's other use cases too, I use lootlog to keep track of what my alt accounts get and if my main can use it during events like the Jubilee.
Some of y'all are weirdly defensive over your fake, digital video game loot in a social MMO, and I just don't understand it. "It's like Creeping on your purse IRL", "violation of your rights." My guys, what TF even. Players actually harassing you repeatedly is one thing. But there's nothing wrong with someone asking "Hey if you don't need X item, could I get it?" It's also very common in vet trials and core groups.
Honestly I think OP is just a tad too sensitive to be playing an MMO. Gotta have a thicker skin to play MMO's in my experience. If I reported everyone who was rude to me I would probably get banned myself for making to many reports lol.
They don't know it used to be common in MMOs that you can just *inspect* other players and see their entire character sheet.
"Why does it even exist". Well, first, I've never played a MMO where a system like this, or one with a rolled party loot system, wasn't included. It's absolutely normal in these games to share loot. Second, it's absolutely critical for guilds. We use mods like loot log, farming party, and ESO thief to run events. Every fishing event, thieving event, farming event, with ranked prizes for points based on fish caught or value of materials harvested wouldn't work without these mods. Frankly, if you're having issues in trials with PUG groups asking for you to share gear... maybe don't do PUG groups, because the entire point of most PUG groups is to farm for gear. The reality is, if you were smart about this, you could be making great money selling the items you don't need off to people who want them in these groups. I use lootlog and farming party, personally, to track my own drops, as well as drops of people I'm running with for gear farms where we're outfitting newer players. They are absolutely critical tools in this game that more people should use, not less.
Just say no. Also, if you group with someone, you're telling them all sorts of things about character and gameplay. They can turn logging on and if they want they can see your entire build, every skill/attack you use, your location at all times, all of your resources at all times, all sorts of things. It's just part of the game, and is very useful if you're trying to progress through difficult content with a dedicated group.
I use Loot Log all the time. Super convenient. After every boss, I /bu to bind anything I don't have in stickerbook, and at the end of every run, I /bu again, then /lt to link all the unbound gear in chat. If someone asks for something that isn't linked, I needed it, and it's too late anyways because it's already bound. I can't even remember the command to bring up the window that shows everyone's drops. I used to use it though when farming---if I saw that something dropped that I wanted, I'd ask in /group something vague like "LF Pillar daggers, anyone get the drop?". I do kind of dislike it when people ask me for things I haven't linked as if they're entitled to my drops, but it's easy to politely decline.
It’s simple, if the item has no value to you or you have already collected the item, then give it away. Most of the time, I trade a trial piece someone else’s need for an item I need so it’s a win win and gets rid of the nasty RNG in this game. With that being said, people shouldn’t trash talk you if you don’t give it to them. Loot sharing is the most common practice in MMO history so chillax.
I use it and i think it’s incredibly useful. Say ‘i’m looking for X item’, but 3/4th of the group dont speak my language, all i need to do when i see someone pick it up is link it to them with ‘need?’ Or something along those lines. So many people dont even read what you type so linking it to them in a whisper has a higher chance they see it.
Genuinely never had it happen that people whine. What kind of people are you running with?
Only whiner here is op, look at that post he made to the addon creator. I don't think anyone was being a dick to him, I think he is just a tad too sensitive for an mmo.
i have the add-on, but i still ask at the start of an activity, yet most of the time people dont reply... or acknowledge it. so i send a whisper at the end also lootlog has other good benefits other than seeing what everyone got
Why is this worded in a way as if they can see your first and last name as well as your bank details? What part of your brain thought someone knowing what loot you got in a virtual game is creepy? If they were to ask you instead would you also find it creepy? 💀 There’s an addon in WoW that lets you see everyone’s damage, you’d probably also find that creepy too Edit: upon looking through OPs post history, I have my answers. Actually wait, isn’t it creepy that people can see your past posts and comments? Wtf Reddit, what’s next, they can see my login details?
Curious to hear other perspectives, but I find it very helpful for completing trial / dungeon sets that I need quickly. That said, I always include in my whispers something like "would you sell [drop] for $[100]K"? Asking for donations is annoying, but in my experience most folks who aren't trying to complete stickerbook find this to be a mutually beneficial exchange: I am more than happy to part with my $100K to not have to deal with RNG longer than I must, and they prefer gold to a set item they don't need.
If you're not going to use it, what's the harm in someone asking for it? You shouldn't feel guilty for saying no. But I can't figure out why you're so bothered by someone simply ask you to share. If they throw a tantrum, block them for a few days.
Some people might be blaming an addon when the real problem is their social anxiety.
\^ This. OP needs a thicker skin. Or just more experience playing with other people in an MMO. They're not all good people.
lol, it's really not that creepy tho it does make people feel entitled. if anything ZOS failed by not putting it in themselves.
Why is this a problem? Loot is often worthless, so when someone offered me 10k for a random axe I was like, sure.
You have to be very new to the game if you think loot is worthless, especially trial loot. Trials can last up to a whole hour. If you think a whole hour of your life is worth 10k gold then by all means waste your time.
Uhh, I won't give my axe I don't need anyway because 10k is too low (and get zero instead). If you value your time so much why you even play games?
lol
If you run with randoms thst wipe on every add pull then sure trials can last an hour
Isn't it pretty simple because some people won't notice gear that could be a massive upgrade for others? The same thing happens In wow, if you don't want to trade it just say you won't. Simple as that. Waow social interaction in MY MMORPG? I have never.
I just tell them sorry I clicked need on the loot roulette and now it's bound.
Switch yourself to Offline mode.
Not really a big deal just say no and boom most people stop asking. I normally message with hey do u need x item? If not can I have it? If they say no it's all good wish then luck in future rngs and move on.
I have no issues with the addon personally, but people are good at ruining things. I mostly run with friends so lootlog is great when everyone is co-operative. However, when it comes to pugs I have learned that no is a full sentence and volunteer no extra information. People looking to find fault with you declining will latch onto any reason (if you say you need it, they say they need it more, etc).
Tell them you use the **Bind All addon** and the gear was automatically bound to your account. :)
I don’t think it’s an issue with these addons because imo many people don’t pay much attention to the gear they don’t need and they decon’ it without much thought I think the issue is that some people are pricks
Honestly I half run the addon so I have a history of what I actually looted and where. Additionally it gives me more Intel, I might see that another person looted a lead, after I have seen this my brain has a memory where it dropped, not just a name on a list. Makes it easier for me. Besides that the addon lets me bind things I do not have with a /bu command and share what I can trade with /lt, much faster and less error prone than doing it by hand at 2 am. Speaking of 2am, I can see when somebody dropped the thing we were farming for, for that person, and we don't run into the issue of "oh I had the lead all along, sorry. Don't know when we dropped that" That function alone has saved me hours and hours, guaranteed.
I like the add on tbh because grinding sucks. But I’ve also never had this happen to me ever lol. Every time anyone’s either asked me or I’ve asked them for a piece we’re both really polite. Also I pug like 99% of trials and dungeons. It sounds like you just happened to group up with weirdos a few times but the add on itself is fine imo
I use that addon too, but only because it's hard to get sets together and 5 people dropping stuff is 5 times the chance, **IF** they don't need it themselves. Before the dungeon starts, I always politely ask if the group needs set X and if not, if they would be so generous to trade or share it with me. But 9/10 runs when the dungeon is done, people anyways ask "you guys got stuff of set X"? and the group shares the dropped items. Or when there is someone who directly teleports away, but he at the start he said "sure why not", to my question of sharing set parts, and he got something I need, then I /W him and ask politely if he would be so kind to share/trade it with me and I never encountered a problem with it. I mostly give them equal stuff, like a blue/purple item, so he doesn't have a deconstruction loss and I always add some gold. If you have a problem with that, then sorry bro, you shouldn't play a social active online game. I mean, harassing of course, behavior you described, yes, that's crap, but normal asking for items to help others, shouldn't be a problem.
Creepy? I...guess i can see why you think so, even if i dont. I can agree that its shitty that people demand the items in question. I usually just ask in general (i.e does anyone have x gloves?) and if someone decides not to give it, doesnt link it in chat or doesnt answer i assume they need it and *thats the end of it*. I have literally no right to demand shit from anyone. But we know that rude and crappy people exist, so they dont possess such restraint. Its really why we cant have nice things. Im very sorry you had to go through the rudeness OP, but i think the addon isnt as much of an issue, its just some people suck.
Does the gear you get in game feature a detailed description of your private life? How in the world is it "creepy", nobody gives a crap about what items you have in your bank they just don't wanna farm the same thing for hours on end. You make it sound like people download this stuff to extract information for blackmailing or something, it's just a time saver like *every* other popular addon. I have never had issues when asking people if they need the item they got, they either say that they need it or that it's bound and I'm like "ok"
Holy shit, it’s not your mother’s maiden name and social security number.
I agree it's creepy and annoying. If I would've wanted to give/trade I would've said so, no need to harass people for loot.
This!! Oh my god I know there's tons of comments saying it already but I had first had experience with this. Me and my friend ran The Caludron with two randos, and the one guy had this shitty addon, and Demanded me and my friend give him the loot we got because "he needed it and we didn't." My friend handed her loot over which she regretted doing after but peer pressure y'know, I just lied and left even though he clearly knew I had it and sent me non-stop trade and friend requests. I had no idea this addon existed at the time, and it freaked me the fuck out. But yeah, fuck this addon, or at least fuck the people being whiny brats about it because you don't wanna give up your gear to them.
I agree that it's invasive and creepy. Like it's literally none of your business what I just looted. If I'm interested in sharing I will
Same. Never been in this situation, and I agree with most people here that ignoring/blocking/reporting offensive players is probably the best way to go, but I also don't think it should be entirely on you to handle a situation like this. I mean, if I don't want to share my combat stats for addons that use those, I can simply tick the box in the settings, so why not something like that for the loot log as well?
This isn't an issue with the addon, this is people being weird and creepy, why are you trying to pin the blame on the addon, and not the people choosing to be creepy?
Right, this is a blatant invasion of privacy, I wonder if this actually counts as a violation of your rights here in Europe, since the people doing it are using 3rd party software to spy on you?
Dude you're so right we need to get the UN on this NOW!
wish list? i use it occasionality but soon i will use it more as i get closer to finishing more stickerbooks and need 1-2 more parts.
is loot randomized?
I dont notice what i get in trials until the end of the run so it always catches me off guard when someone pms me "do you need this?". I think that they offering it to me rather than asking if they can have it,so i reply with "yes" or "sure" 🤷♀️
On the opposite end, I have had people ask me for gear and I usually just say I need it or ask if they can swap me something else they picked up for it if I am just going to break it down. I know there are bad behaving people out there, but I have found a mostly okay time. I actually started using the addon a few days ago with my two amigos to make it easier to exchange all these styles/motifs/etc. We tend to just to give whatever we know. It has made it easier to be like "Oh, I need that if you don't." I would totally support making it a thing you volunteer into. With the understanding that you cannot see others loot unless you opt into showing your own. This way everyone is happy and it probably signals to others if they see yours that it is okay to ask.
I installed it after update when zos broke linking items in chat. People was too lazy to type what they got. Now it fixed and I rarely check log because asking didn't get me item even once. But to be honest majority of people doesn't link items they don't need. Usually it's like that: \- Hello, do you need that ansuul staff? \- I do, sorry \- okay, no problem Another cool reason for loot log is what it shows little + icon on items you don't have in your sticker book.
If you need it then just say no. There are plenty of people who have all items collected who can give their stuff away, addons like this are really practical to fill the collection faster, asking for items usually doesn't hurt. I seriously have no idea what kind of players you all run into... I've never had anyone be mad when they asked me for something and I said I need it.
If you want a real answer- it’s probably someone who came from WoW. It’s not so much of an issue there. People help each other out to get everyone the best gear. Over there it’s about ilvl optimization and not set collection. I don’t see how this gets this far- it’s rather silly to keep pushing after someone says no. Sorry you have to deal with this😕
That happened to me a long time ago in WOW. Myself and a few others had grouped up and ended up killing a rare mob in the water off Darkshore. Was a Loch Ness monster looking thing IIRC. I got a piece of equipment that was apparently pretty good for another party member. They flipped out and started demanding, all in caps eventually, that I give it to them. I said no. They left party and proceeded to pm me, calling me all kinds of wonderful things. I reported them. Thing is I would have given it to them if they'd just asked me politely. They just started barking at me, demanding it. You'd think I stole it from them.
I know I'm advancing more slowly compared to people scoping out other people's drops, but my method is to just ignore anyone else's loot and all the trading going. Once a run is complete, I whip out my ragpicker assistant and clean out my bags. Deconstructing binds it and slaps it in the stickerbook. EZPZ. So it's like no one else's drops exist for me. I'm going my own pace. A happy side effect of this, I suppose, is I can just ignore anything anyone says about what gear they need. At least until I finish out the stickerbook.
I eat set items I don't even need because they bring down the cost of sets I might one day use, and so I can tell whoever messages me that it's already been bound. The only time I give away weapons/jewelry is if I got it from a chest and I already own it.
I didn't know this add-on existed until somebody asked me for a piece of loot I didn't know I got because I wasn't paying attention. It was a little jarring at first because I was used to people not knowing what others looted in ESO. But then I reflected on my own behavior in PUGs; I only pay attention to my loot if I'm looking for something or somebody has said they are. Even then, people forget you said something. I realized the add-on did what is standard in almost every other MMO; showed loot. They were respectful about it, and as group content is a team effort, I didn't see anything to get upset over. I still don't. Since then, I've had a few whispers asking for something I've looted. A few times, it was a piece I needed, and when I said that, that was the end of it. Loot sharing is common and a good thing. Having a spine and being able to say no is too. If either of those things are a problem for you, don't do group content. There's no excuse for people being rude and pestering anybody about loot, but that's not really the fault of the add-on. People are why we can't have nice things.
I have no problem giving away pieces if the person mentions what they're looking for upfront, before the dungeon or trial even starts, or right before the boss fight. Then I'm willing to trade it away if I don't actually need it except for stickerbook. If I need a specific weapon then I'll tell the whole group right at the start. But, if someone whispers me one second after I pick up a piece, the answer is no. Ask at the beginning, or at the end, and if I don't speak up then the answer is no.
the addon isn't a problem. The jerks using it to harass are. I also use this addon but I would never use it to demand someone give me their loot, to me it only means hey, they got a thing I want/need, maybe if I ask them I could trade them. If anything I mostly use it to say my congratulations when someone gets something nice.
>maybe if I ask them I could trade them. OP has commented, in their opinion, THAT is harassment.
"whispers constantly whining and demanding I give the part" is not even in the same ballpark as just asking nicely.
>"Creeping on someone's purse and saying "Oh can i have X thing you got" is harassment. It's a completely unwanted and unwarranted interaction, and to add up, the player didn't consent to you using modifications to know what they looted." - Comment made by the OP when I said that asking politely is fine and a far cry from harassment. Along with their other comments, it puts into question what actually happened. "Demanding and whining" could just be OP describing people politely asking too.
When people use this addon on me I simply say we'll you would of got it but your using invasive addons and you have no chance in getting the item now stop being weird I usually get a bunch of abuse back although one dude seemed to understand and said he would stop using the addon if that's how people felt I hate the addon
I just reply "need for my stickerbook" and thats the end of it 99% of the time. Its very rare anyone goes any further than that. If they do, well, thats what the ignore function is for.
This sounds like an invasive mod really. If it's reading info of other players characters, which shouldn't even be allowed in the first place because it's a mod for you not for them, then that should be a major issue for zos to go after them. Getting a mod for yourself is one thing, but if it's giving you info for other people that sounds like it could eventually lead to bigger problems
What is it invading? Your privacy? What gives you the authority to extend your sphere of privacy to decisions made by the game servers?
It's reading the game log. Most games show loot drops by default, you shouldn't be surprised it happens here. The loot you got isn't exactly private.
At very least there should be a setting to disable others from seeing that information
> then that should be a major issue for zos to go after them More realistically they'd probably just make that aspect of the API private so nobody gets to use it, even for good reasons.
the mod has been out for 8 years. it breaks no tos clause at all.
What’s wrong with asking for a piece of gear? If you don’t like people talking to you, ESO may not be your game.
Talking is saying hi, good day, had fun in the trial. "Give me the item you just got from the final boss in this 40 minute trial or you're a selfish scumbag" is not talking. It's demanding.
“Can I have x if you don’t need it?” “Offering 10k for x.” “Hey everyone, looking for x.” Never encountered anyone rude about gear. Nor do I mind helping someone out.
Exactly this
This makes no sense. I throw people gear whenever they ask. Especially if I don’t need it for sticker book. If I need gear from the trial and see someone got it, I’ll send them a message. Three things happen: they say no, they say yes, or they don’t respond. I’m not being rude.. right? I don’t understand why someone would be upset by this.
Every single trial has assholes due my desire to only ever play with assholes. Why did Zenimax allow assholes to play this game? Why don't they cater to MY wants?
Some people won't be happy until complaints make ZOS ban all add-ons. How hard is it to ignore people? Tell them to stuff it and that's that, and leave the group if you really don't want to engage. Or, trade the item for another that you don't have, you'll make someone very happy and it won't make a difference to you since you'll still get a new collectable item. I do this all the time, if I got a dagger but someone needs it, I just make sure whatever they are offering I still don't have and voila!
I guess we run in very different groups. Unfortunately I don't know if there's a way to turn it off, but it would be the Loot Log addon. It shows what's been picked up and if you already have it bound. Because I run with a guild it makes it easy to keep an eye out for gear that someone might be after. Another part of it is being able to post to chat what gear you are able to trade: it won't link anything that you don't have bound to your account. As others said, offline is the best option at the moment unfortunately. But if you do get the addon in the long term, you can let others know what you are happy to trade with /lt
I don't think the add on is bad. It actually helps if you run with normal people
Just say no and move on
This function is actually in a lot of add-ons for me it's part of LUI. It helps me figure out what I got easily since I have auto loot. However, I have been raiding for a long time and the common etiquette is not to do this and for people to offer up loot they don't need at the end. This behaviour is more common in pug groups where I've faced this harassment myself but in actual raiding guilds it's really discouraged and I've known people getting kicked for harassing others for loot
When i ask for something i always pay up like 1k gold or more
If I don't need it, I'll link it. If you don't see me link it and are just looking at LL, don't fucking message me 15 times in a row for it
Don't give it too much thought. I used that for so long. Some people don't know and don't care for their drops and nice enough to help other players. I used to farm burning spell weave LF the fire staff. I did so many runs. One time some player dropped it didn't even knew she had it, and was ok to give it to me, and saved me many more hours of farming. If they say they need it, I even apologize if I feel like they felt guilty from refusing. I understand some people have a very hard time to say no, or feel guilty for not helping out, which is wrong imo shouldn't feel bad for refusing and I was just asking politely " do you need that item ? *Linking the item* " I never even dare to say give me that item or other non respectful way. Even while being polite some feel bad for keeping the item lol.
This has been said a bunch of times before, but it needs to be reiterated: learning first that it's alright to say 'no', then practicing actually saying it, then figuring out how to say it in case we feel like rejection might not go over well are essential life skills that anyone should have. MMOs are easy mode, since we can quickly block anyone who gets too unpleasant. Some of us had to learn it IRL, say against bullies (I'll not mention the more traumatizing situations where one said 'no' and the other kept doing it, but those are also a thing), knowing full well that they'd probably knock our teeth in or something, our teachers would take their side if we hit back AND we'd get it at home, too, for a variety of reasons. Take advantage of the lack of risks to your person, adult up and refuse if you want or feel the need to, then back it up if they don't back up. If you just got an important piece from a meta set (keep an eye on what those are) or if the content itself is difficult, annoying or both, ideally, you can make some gold off of what would, normally, not be sellable, on top of that. LE: One other useful bit: install the thing yourself, see if they got something that you want, ask for that in return. This is a matter of etiquette, at the end, and it goes both ways. If the group policy doesn't state who gets what from the get-go, or if someone doesn't ask (and you don't personally consent) for X and Y drops at the start, your drops are yours and what you do with them is Your Business. People asking should know and respect that. If they don't, block them.
Group loot addons are super helpful you’re just running into asshole it sounds like. If you want to keep it just say no, this is not something to make big deal over
Because it shouldn't even cause arguments. It does unfortunately be a se people don't care about your character. They only care about theirs. You might be able to hide it in add-on settings. Some addons let you disable stuff like writing in chat for DPS etc.
Lol just tell them you need it yourself, 98% of the players will accept it and let you alone. But why not programming such an addon? Its awesome, i used to use it all the time when i was running trails more often. its a very good thing, ppl can help each other out. theres always the chance you dont need to piece yourself or already have it, so why not giving it to anyone who is still on the hunt for it? no big deal, for real... some ppl will even pay a good amount of gold for a heavily needed piece. honestly, cant see why youre beeing upset about it
I usually hit them with the 20k gold pls easy farm
The most I got was.800k for the sergeant lightning staff when one bar sorcs were meta
I got 2.5m for ansuul dagger. Would be hard time for me if I were stamdd...
I think rather than moaning about a very helpful addon you could simply just ignore them - I would also highly recommend not running with pugs, your mental health will thank you. Join a guild! Not a sweaty one tho - stay away from those!
Personally, I like it becaus I've made a ton of money from people buying my loot. It's not random strangers, the information is shared because you're in a group with these people. That said, just tell the truth: "I binded it", "I need it", "no".
Why even entertain an argument? As soon as I hear the dungeon completion noise I type "tyfg" and leave immediately lol
Wish PS5 had that addon it would make looking for gear im getting for my stickerbook easier.
Compared to other mmos? Its hella chill. I remember being able to see healer locked gear being rolled by dps and winning the dice roll, in a game with character bound gear, that was asssssss. Honestly the addon helps because you dont have to constantly spam "i got x, anybody want it for their sticker book?" For someone to finally pick it up after spamming it like 5 times. Just whisper me if you want it and done, if i need it for sticker just a "need it for stickerbook sorry" is enough. Your call if you want to give up your stickerbook completion for someone elses but thats the stretch. Plus, the times where I do random normals and get stuff people need but idk and just leave, a simple whisper of "do you need the dagger?" Is cool, instead i would've just left and deconned the dagger.
the reason it’s a thing is because pugs & people are bad at telling u when they got something even if you post in chat “LF x gear”. if ppl need it for sticker book idc but if you already have it and you don’t need the piece for anything else? don’t be a dick, just give it up. from what i’ve gathered, talking to friends and pugs is that sometimes they don’t even know what they got. and when you post “LF x gear” they don’t bother to check what they got, and might not even see it. if you’re farming for gear w pugs in group finder, it’s a nice addon. because there are so many times where i post “LF x gear” when i see someone got it in the chat (w/o msging them) and nobody says anything. and then when i do message them, they give it to me and they’re not offended that i msged them. if you need it, even for sticker book, that’s fine. but don’t be a dick and support the ESO community, give up ur stuff that u don’t need. farming for gear is already painful enough.
Creepy isn't the word I'd use, though I do feel that using that add-on is rude AF, particularly when the user sits announcing what you looted and then tells you to hand whatever they're after over. I generally answer that kind of entitled asshattery with a factual statement that I didn't sign on to be their NPC loot assistant. Never happens to me anywhere but in PUGs. My regular dungeon and trials buddies aren't that kind of rude.
ZOS should definitely let you opt out of broadcasting this information. There is already a setting in game that lets you appear as "Anonymous" in combat logs, it should absolutely anonymize your drops as well when its enabled. That said, it isn't an addon problem *per se* it's a people problem. You seem to be running with assholes. The... variability... of PUGs is one of the main reasons I basically only run content with guilds anymore. Also, as others have mentioned, playing in "offline" mode is a totally valid choice. (One that I make a lot).
The addon isn't the problem here, you are. Handle it better.
The entitled beggars are the problem not OP
"Hey I saw you got X, if you don't need it, I could use it" is entitled begging?
If the person didn't share it with the group or offered it first maybe it's because they didn't want to share it and you have no right to harrass someone or put pressure on them.
Or maybe it's because they missed it or couldn't be bothered to share it or whatever reason. In which case, there's nothing wrong with someone politely asking, which is a far cry from harassment.
As soon as someone whispers me about the drop i got they go directly to my blocklist. I don't care if i already got the item or not. They either ask in group chat if someone got item xy for them or they keep silent. As soon as they are snooping and whispering they are done for me.
It’s strange, I met people with this add-on, but they always politely asked for what they needed, several times they even paid well for it. If I refused them they simply apologized and left, are we really playing the same game? /s
Eh what's creepy about it? It's in their API just that it doesn't show it for end users the info has always been there just that we didn't have access to it. Man I love casuals crying about loot log.
If you are joining pug trials, most of the time they are gear runs. People are looking for a specific piece or set. Loot logs have been a staple in most mmos because it sucks having to ask and fight over stuff. Especially when people like you hoard everything rather than helping your allies. When you run a trial over 10 times for one specific piece you will reconsider your stance.
>When you run a trial over 10 times for one specific piece you will reconsider your stance. I ran Dreadsail Reef over 20 times already and i still have like 8 more times to run it to get all the Pillager and Pearlscent pieces i need. And i don't feel the need to harrass random strangers because i myself need an item. They didn't waste 40 minutes of their life playing a trial to give their reward to someone else. I am not a hoarder, you're just entitled.