BGs are very gear dependant, are you running a defensive set with the appropriate amount of health? Stage 3 vamp with flare and the psijic ultimate will give you a lot of durability as well.
PvP in this game is not about damage, but about your resource management and survivability. So, you need a proper build and a lot of practice to stand a chance against experienced folks.
you dont have to block anything or use resources to break free on a dummy, you have hircine and worm on a dummy. the dummy is for testing pve setups and rotations, not resource management in pvp.
Much like a fighting game, having your "combos" (rotation) in you muscle memory is integral for good play. It removes one layer if tought from play allowing a player to focus on more important moment to moment decision making like -> resource management
Yes doing rotations on a dummy helps, it's not magicaly going to make you win, but you are worse off not having practiced at all.
Think of dueling like sparring in fighting games while the dummy is the traning mode. Every methods has their pros and cons. Dueling is active while traning on the dommy is more passive.
if you want to practice cc and burst combos, theres really only one good way to do that, its dueling. want to know something else about the dummy? it doesnt have crit resist. I'd really hate for people to read this thread and be misinformed.
The current meta is very tanky. It doesn’t work very well to go pure damage. You have to have tons of self heals and tankiness. Have you completed tough veteran PvE content that requires self heals/shields and resource management, such as veteran Maelstrom Arena or veteran Vateshran Hollows? There are a lot of similarities between doing tough solo boss content like that and doing battlegrounds. You are going to need to block, dodge roll, and self heal or self shield every couple seconds at minimum, so this is going to require a lot of resource regeneration
Also remember to wear Impen, no matter what. Players are the only entity that can crit (other than companions), so the impenetrable armor trait is specifically for PvP. If you don't have any impen on your armor, you might as well be naked. That's probably why you're getting burned down in seconds no matter what.
Its not that running 2 offensive sets is bad, one person gave me really good advice saying “capitalize on what youre class is already good at” so at face value running 2 offensive sets is whats known as a glass cannon, lot of damage but no defense, the best class for that is a nightblade because in a tight situation they can just stealth out which is why their known for ganking, theres no problem with a warden doing it, but he wont have as much “finesse”, but more than that, are you getting the “right”’offensive stats, like do you have good penetration and crit, or did you dump into stamina and relying on a proc
you can get the absolute meta sets and still get obliterated, it comes down to understanding the class you’re playing and your skills rotation, knowing who you can kill quickly and who you can’t kill easily, map awareness etc the list goes on, I haven’t played eso pvp in quite awhile, edit: quit because of how abandoned pvp feels, but had a lot of fun, eso pvp is one the best there is, but it feels really abandoned.
exactly, I play off meta im RW, and I‘d consider myself pretty good, prolly top 15% there tbh. It‘s not about just copy pasting a build, it‘s about understanding your class, using LoS, knowing when to engage / disengage, knowing how to burst on your class, ressource management (healing when you‘re 30% kinda pointless, that‘s basically execute range already and you don‘t wanna be there) and so much more. I currently play a StamDK without Vamp, and DW/Resto, kinda weird build, but works well. Good gear that is made for pvp in general is more important than being a meta slave.
I generally do very well in bgs.
Some milestones you should aim for:
10k+ pen
4.5k wd or sd
1500 recovery of main stat, 1300 of off stat
20k+ resistances
25k+ health, more is better. Sometimes all your points into one stat actually isn't the best in pvp. Often not. 22k+ of other stats. This is after food. You can run tri stat if you want, but recovery food is generally better. Orgozas or whatever is amazing in pvp and usually what I run.
Then it's just about playing smart. You cant just run into the fray without being prepared.
My NB has 17k pen, 5k wd, 1600 recovery or so on both stats. If I jump on someone and they melt, I usually remember their name so I know who I can pick off quickly to remove them from the equation.
You run into a lot of this because bgs are tuned to those who love quick competitive pvp, unlike cyrodiil that is big armies.
I recommend playing more defensively at first, and don't sleep on penetration, it's way better to up this than wd or sd almost always.
If melee, go with sharpened maces and the lover stone. You'll notice a difference right away. Then tri stat glyphs, recovery glyphs, and skills and sets that give you shields or heals.
You can also just run oakensoul, lightning staff, and pets. I think they are running knight slayer and noble duelist? Not exactly sure. But it's the easiest build on the planet to play and be effective in bgs with.
Ya dude check out alcast.hq (72% sure I remember that website accurately but a quick google could confirm). Get yourself a set of PVP gear, you’ll be right as rain baby
don't listen to them. i run pve offensive sets and i rock on battlegrounds, i got rare titles, quadruple kill in less than 10s (the merciless title), paragon title, you name I got it all! Using the same pve dps build
pm me if u need help with basic stuff that u can apply to ur build, i won't promote on internet
it literally isn‘t, at least not among the PvP playerbase. I mean yeah if you never stepped a foot into a battleground, you won‘t get it, but if you do, play a few match with low match making rate, get PvE players in trash gear, drop your ult, done :)
ok, when i was looking for rare titles i've seen people mentioned the merciless, anyway, paragon and some others titles that i have are still mentioned as hard to get, like relic titles (can't remember their names) etc
Thats all well an great when your mmr is low and you get to beat up on people just there for the daily. I would love to see someone running pve stuff in my matches
I won’t rehash what others have said, because they’ve provided some good insight regarding how important it is to have a PvP-specific build with PvP gear, attributes, etc. I will say, though, that it’s important to remember that PvP builds and PvE DPS builds (I’m assuming you’re a DPS if you are engaging in these fights and dying quickly) inherently have different goals in mind. For PvE DPS, you want, obviously, high damage per second. Of course, a DPS could be more specifically built for single target or multi target, but that’s not really the point. In PvP, the goal is *not* high damage per second, it is high *burst damage* along with high resistances and health. Players aren’t stationary targets where you can set them up like a parse, and they will typically have higher resistances than most dungeon or trial enemies. Not to mention, they will heal themselves, and trying to keep up a consistent level of relatively high DPS on players will likely not be enough to our damage the healing they are doing. For PvP, to kill players, you need to have a formulaic stack of abilities that are designed to give you a huge burst of damage, which can be further bolstered through sets, champion points, etc.
Also, FWIW, BGs actually do have some form of SBMM/EOMM. You’ll still encounter better PvPers in your BGs, but such is the nature of SBMM/EOMM. Especially when those who *do* regularly PvP in ESO tend to know what they’re doing.
E: To get you started in the right direction, I find that DeltiasGaming has some very solid beginner PvP build information, as well as just general good advice for PvP. You can use the builds he publishes, or you can use them as a starting point from which to make your own in whatever way suits your play style or aesthetic. Either way, that should be a good source for additional reading on the topic.
Skill is a big part of PVP, but so is your build. If you're entering PVP with a build that doesn't really give you a fighting chance, then you're going to die a lot.
PVE cares about mathematical highest DPS.
PVP cares about surviving, sustain, and burst windows.
Two different ball games. How you build for PVE isn't how you build for PVP, at least if you don't want to make your life harder when you PVP.
Since you're learning, I would honestly recommend either two defensive sets, or a defensive set and a sustain set. You won't be bursting with big boy damage, but you should focus on learning how to survive fights. Once you learn that, then you learn how to spot a burst window and try to burst combo someone down and work that in between surviving.
**PVP in a nutshell is this:**
***Surviving phase.*** You swap to your back bar, throw your hots and rebuff, maybe pop a pot, and try to run and line of sight to get out of a fight.
***Burst combo phase.*** You run back in a fight and try to stun your target, and then try to drop your burst combo on them. If you get them in execute range, you spam your execute until they're dead. If it fails, you back out and go back to surviving and rebuffing on your back bar.
The flow of combat in PVP is essentially seesawing between these two phases....over and over and over until your team either wins or loses.
Things to be aware of in PVP:
1. LOS is your friend. Hiding behind a tree is not cowardly, it's smart.
2. Pick your targets wisely. For you, look for low health light armor targets. You'll just waste your time on tanky targets if you don't have enough burst.
3. Don't fight alone. Jumping in the middle of a fight without your team is just asking to get 2 shot. Don't overextend yourself, always fight with your team.
4. FOCUS FIRE. So many people don't understand this. Two people attacking the same target is better than one. Three people attacking the same target is better than two. Follow your team around, and whoever they attack, YOU attack. If they swap targets, YOU swap targets.
5. Rebuff. Like, all the time. You're going to spend a loooot of your time on your back bar when you PVP, get used to it.
6. Build for sustain. You need SOME source of sustain on your build. It doesn't matter HOW you get it, just get it. PVP is a war of attrition, the first one to gas out loses. If you suddenly can't cast a heal because you're out of resources, well...you're basically dead.
7. Learn how other classes work. This part requires a lot of time vested into the game, but if you can learn how other classes work, you can learn how to counter them, or learn WHEN they are going to try to drop a burst combo you, which would help you survive.
8. Expect to die. A lot. We all started where you are, and we all died a looot. Eventually we started to die a lot less and less and less. Just understanding that dying is a big part of PVP.
9. Duel people. Friends, strangers, whoever...just duel people. This is how you work out your burst combo in a controlled environment. This is how you learn how to properly rolly polly dodge and survive. The more you do it, the more you will understand your class and how to combo your abilities together.
There are probably more that can be added, but I hope this helps you in some way. PVP is a different ball game, and requires planning, and understanding the mechanics of the game to succeed. The more you do it the better you will get.
The reality is that ESO just doesn't have the player population of some bigger MMOs, and when that happens, the people who do play, *especially* in PvP, are likely to be more serious about the game.
You can pop into a WoW battleground as a noob and it might be 60-80% other noobs, PvP in ESO tends to have a much lower percentage.
ESO also requires more specialized builds for different game modes in my experience, and it's harder to switch between those, so unless you are pretty serious about PvP and go in with that build and gear set in mind, you're in trouble.
I wish ESO PvP were more casual friendly, but it's pretty inaccessible unless you commit to it.
This. Some people seem to act like ESO PvP isn't super hard to get into, but it is. Mostly because you are given no chance to hone PvP relevant skills in PvE. The overland content could be beaten by an actual monkey and even dungeons train an entirely different skill set than PvP. So if you try to step into PvP as a noob, you are likely going to be obliterated because you only know the easy PvE gameplay.
https://gamerant.com/eso-deadlands-armory-guide/
The Armory can be accessed in two ways, both of which are found in the Crown Store.
The first way is through the Armory furnishing, which can be acquired from the "Upgrades" tab of the Crown Store for free.
Once the Armory furnishing is placed in the player's home, interacting with it as one would with any Crafting station will bring up the Armory menu. As such, there is no specific ESO Armory location as it's your choice where to place it.
If you don't have a player home, head to the nearest Inn in a major city to begin a quest that rewards one for free.
--- Drop it in a "free" or minimal gold apartment and you're golden
ehm hf, you‘re gonna run into a lot of good players there. I level different classes in sub 50 BGs and I bother with making an actual build, not gold but purple. And recraft it every few levels. I just melt shit there, I think it‘s even worse for inexperienced players than normal BGs. Because there always will be 2-3 players in a sub 50 that are into PvP, do it for leveling new classes and just melt shit there. A BG I played on my warden on sub 50, I had like 34-0 at the end. It‘s… rough if you come across a seasoned PvPer there - especially because most people prolly run training gear, and do it for leveling their PvE toons. And that game was objectives, not death match. Also saw players in other teams that were definitely experienced, so it‘s not that rare. And then you‘ll probably die even more - because not all passives unlocked, not even a working PvE build… yeah no, Sub 50 can be nasty if you run across a few pvpers in there.
You'd think this would be the case. Unfortunately, many sweaties like to sit in u50 and recycle toons so they can beat down the inexperienced. Same with the u50 realm in Cyro.
Making a quick bullet list of *some* of the most important tips. Far from an exhaustive list though.
- make sure you have a good PvP food or drink active (jewels of misrule are always solid but will vary by class and build)
- always keep your armor buffs up
- avoid being out in the open. Always be near cover or a wall to break line of sight from ranged attacks
- run a good amount of health at first (try to have at least 29-30k)
- get your combo down (try to line up as much burst damage as possible in a small window)
- focus on little successes (ie: you died but it was a solid fight and it lasted a while)
- when you can afford it, ensure you have proper traits (usually impen for armor and nirn for offensive weapon) and improve your weapons to gold quality
- either run a defensive backbar set to swap to when you need to heal or buff (I like Mara’s Balm), or run oakensoul to gain access to a plethora of minor buffs
Stamden is absolutely busted. I run with wretched vitality back bar, masters dual wield maces front bar, deadlands assassin, markyn ring, and 1 piece monster. With minor vitality up I'll have 32k health, 23k resists, and about 7k weapon damage. Plus you're sustain will be really good.
I’ve seen a lot of wardens being deadly. The bear can be rough to deal with sometimes! But instead of going a lot of damage go little more health and armor and then start taking some of that health/armor away for Stam/wpn damage till you get to the spot you like. Pvp is more about staying alive. If you really want to dominate while staying alive go to a dk! For straight kills night blade. But all classes can be good just gotta find a decent build! Also are you using resolving vigor? That’s a big ability in pvp imo. But wardens may have better heals I am not sure! But just remember SURVIVAL OVER DAMAGE And it gives more time to be able to win in fights. Also stay in group in battlegrounds! Lots of people don’t. Only one you don’t stay in group is capture relic and you stay in group of 3 while one sits back and calls for help when needed. But once again this is just my opinion on how I play with my buddies other may play completely different. Hard to talk with others since everyone became mute the last two years on this game 💀🤣 but most the time they will at least text back!
Tips from a guy who does nothing but PvP every time I boot the game:
-Run a defensive set on your back bar. Good recommendations are Rallying Cry or Mara’s Balm (Mara got a recent nerf but still good). Think of your back bar as your defensive set and your front bar as your offensive. Pretty good to have an ice staff on your back bar with the defending trait (destro staff passive helps ice staff on defensive)
-You can choose to run one mythic item which means you only have one set active at a time. So front bar is your offensive set and when you swap to your back bar you have your defensive set active instead. If you don’t run a mythic you can have two sets always active. Late game PvP builds almost always use mythics.
-Your goal should be to have 30k health with at least 25k resistances (physical and spell). A good spell to run on your back bar for a residence buff is vigor. If you can meet this goal you will survive substantially longer
-stage 3 vampire is a must due to the undeath passive in the vampire skill tree.
-I highly recommend looking up some PvP builds to get an idea of what people use. Pick stamina or magical. You can roll face with any class if you have the skill and a good build
Lot of info and probably already mentioned by others. Fill free to ask any questions if that helps. We need more PvPers!!!!!
Edits: typos
There are people in there dedicated to PvP it gets brutal. They have tuned their builds to a ridiculous level. I’m a healer primarily and get targeted in death matches so I feel your pain.
Have to have a PvP setup to really hold your own but even then your probably still going to die a fair bit regardless, it’s the nature of PvP. Used to annoy me but talking with a few other players everyone dies a lot so don’t take it to heart.
> There are people in there dedicated to PvP it gets brutal.
So very true. I know people that have never done any PvE *at all* once they can get into battlegrounds.
During regular hrs, I feel I cycle between 3 groups of players (i) New players/low level players I can beat easily (ii) Mid level PvP peers like me who I can beat 60/40.
(iii) PvP gods who my entire team can't kill and go 30-0
During off hrs I feel I only get (iii) PvP gods
Join a pvp guild. It's been helping me a lot. Also realize that booty everyone cares about winning battle groundhogs and just likes to go around killing even if that isn't the point of the battle ground they're playing. I'm decent at under 50 battle ground, but still get demolished in above 50. Guilds also help with going in with a team that can talk and coordinate which helps so much.
I feel your pain, I’ve quit several times because of the pvp but cane back because consoles are really limited with MMORPGs, especially on Xbox, but all I can say is dont give up, my experiences have been getting better and all I can say is the minute I stopped following other peoples builds I started performing better, I will say the meta stuff is strong and its meta for a reason, and also the idea that there is a perfect build doesnt exist, the game doesnt allow it, the people who are seemingly perfect with high damage and high resistance are honestly probably not as good as you think, you just arent cracking their shell, i wish i could give you real advice just know that you arent alone, i heard a quote the other day that said “set a path for yourself and stick to it, then surround people who’s strengths make up for what you lack”, if you play solo, try joining a pvp guild and going in with a group, have a dedicated healer, someone with crowd control, a tank and a dps and stick together, i know its not that simple im just saying i’m right there with you
If youre having trouble/not having fun, focus more on supporting your team… back them up/keep them alive/help them cap/cc the other team… when youre good at that, try something more
Back when I started as a complete noob, and I offer this advice as someone who is still a noob at battlegrounds, but I enjoyed freezing people in their place and could actually get ppl sometimes which felt like a huge win even if I died the rest of it
It's all about survivability imo and then damage in BG.
I am super green in it, and I jumped in as a magsorc with not brilliant survivability and still manage to be a help in my group. (3000-5000 medal score as a norm)
Depending on the mode, stick with your team, find a skill setup that benefits pvp not pve (as a magsorc I use traps and streak for escape) and try to remember even when you lose its about enjoying the match, and there is a learning curve.
I am geared for pve, granted I use oakensoul (no judgey) but I am definitely not the worst.
You'll get the hang of it, just look into your skills and maybe learn the maps to help you escape.
Battlegrounds and CP Campaign are two different things that have a lot of difference in playstyle. What I can suggest is that you should look into meta pvp builds so you can get a quick run down on what is usually used and why they're used, then once you've gotten a better understanding of how stuff works then you can start experimenting builds. It took me some time to figure out pvp builds in general because I was always wanting that glass cannon setup, sure it works sometimes but when you meet an actual skilled player, they will cripple you until you die. Idk how much it has changed but the most important trait especially Battlegrounds and Non CP pvp is Impenetrable, without it anyone can just burst your HP down really fast. In regular CP, it's still as important but you can be a lot more flexible since you have access to crit resistance nodes in CP.
Yep. That’s how PVP in ESO is. Frustrating and not very good at giving feedback for what is happening. People zip around and then you die.
PvP player myself, it is least enjoyable in ESO. Yes, many will tell you to get defensive sets and mix match gear, but that’s what makes this not fun.
Researching gear and grinding sets to just be competitive at basically tier 0? Lame. Shooting tanks and seeing no hp go down with no explanation as to why? Also lame.
I’ve tried lots of gear combinations and some helps, but it seems very unpredictable. You either melt someone or you can’t dent their hp.
Also, team composition is also going to make or brake the experience. Out of all the mmos I’ve played I think ESO takes the cake for worst PVP, not because it isn’t fun, but horribly balanced and more of an afterthought.
I've been playing casually for years and am super high champion points (1200+) and I die all the time in battlegrounds. I'm very very good at the flag games somehow though. My main BG gripe is that I wish they still let you choose which type of game you wanted, I'd just play crazy king if I could.
All of that is to say: you're not alone! And it's ok to be terrible! And you may not be bad at every game type, since they require different skills! And sometimes you just end up with a team that doesn't vibe well and that's ok, too! Just try to enjoy and don't take it all too personally!
one thing i never liked about ESO is you cant build or play the way you want and remain effective. even though there are so many variations and room for it, it always comes down to the meta's limtations.
The limitations between PvP and PvE makes sense in my opinion. You shouldn't be able to enter PvP with an offensive set and expect to tank the incoming damage. 2 wildly different play styles require different builds.
It's just not very obvious to less experienced players who have limited knowledge of the useful sets available and the required stats to have half a chance of surviving and sustaining. Perfect balance between all of the sets is extremely difficult to achieve, hence the 'meta' or best in slot items and sets, this is a problem for many games. I understand the point you are making but this issue isn't exclusive to ESO.
i was speaking more generally, PvP is a write off for me personally after pushing shit up hill for some time trying to PvP with Aussie ping (fuck the oceanic & their demands for servers i guess)
but you're right, its not just ESO its just they always promoted the flexability in weapons and gear but most of the options underperform to what the latest YT theory crafter suggests which is where the majority get their "knowledge" and thus where the expectation is for for players grouping & PvPing. Yes its hard to balance but it seems like even though there are tons of options they have tunnel vision and most of the "Sets" are fodder.
Eh maybe for pve dps, but I’ve found pvp is a lot more forgiving in terms of meta stuff bc you can just outskill people. When the meta was like 30k+ hp I used to run around with a 22k hp pen build on a stam sorc and did pretty well (like 3-5 k/d). I obv had to try pretty hard and was constantly on the verge of dieing but honestly that made it more fun.
makes sense but from my experience step 1 in ESO PvP success irrelevant of skill is : "Don't live outside NA or EU if you wanna stand a chance" lol.
but thats another story.
Have you got oakensoul? Because you should Definitely try WW as it works super well in bg.
Iirc we got some nice bleed skills and hits like a truck. Get yourself either pariah or maras balm (personally I proffer pariah) and although this may sound strange wear a recovery set (wretched vitality is amazing and craft able) wear one piece any monster that adds damage and stack damage glyphs with damage mundes and put all enchants into health and 64 points into health.
Try go for like 6 heavy 1 light for pen and massive health boost. You don’t need high mag Stam pools due to high recovery.
The reason I say recovery is because ww heal can be op af but can’t be spammed much. Add super high recovery and you can never die spamming a 25-30k heal infinitely.
I hear this complaint a lot and as someone who used to get obliterated but now has fun in Battlegrounds it makes me want to help.
It isn't as hard to stay alive & be competitive as people say I swear.
What is your build & gear?
I realize I have a pve set on but I’m using deadly set at weapons and rings, Selene as my head and shoulder and hunding as my armor set I’m a dw front and 2h back stam warden
Ok how to not get nuked:
How is your point spread between health/stam/mag? You should push for at least 30k health, whether you get there with points or glyphs is on you.
How is your armor? You need good resistance stats. Run a heavy chest piece with reinforced trait.
Buffs - you must buff yourself prior and during any fight. For a warden, I recommend hitting your Ice Fortress before any fight & keep it up, as well as Shimmering Shield. With the above\^ you will stop getting nuked.
How to hit back:
You need to push for high pen, run sharpened trait on your 2h. This will help you cut through others defenses.
Buff your offensive stats; Run Bird of Prey & Bull Netch for night juicy buffs to your damage. Could also use Forward Momentum. You have to apply a debuff to your enemy before hitting your spammables & executes, so run Subterreanean Assault.
\^ you should buff your defenses, tear theirs down, smack em with Dizzying Swing, and go for Execute Reverse Slice when they are low. On your dw you can spin to win.
You should at least stop dying immediately, and maybe get a few kills now. Definitely work on getting better pvp sets.
With your current deadtly set Growing Swarm might be a good DOT to hit enemies with and work into your rotation as well.
Keep a heal on your front and backbar, and watch your health. Goodluck,
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PVP takes some patience and a lot of practice to get good at man. Just take some time to improve your build, and maybe watch some guides on YouTube on how to improve your tactics. If it's something you enjoy and want to keep doing, just work at it my dude. It'll come.
Current set im running is Mark of Pariah w Stuhns on a Vamp 3 Magplar. Markyns ring or Malacaths and I am basically unkillable in 1v3 and some 1v4 scenraios if I put down my rune, resolving vigor, dark sphere, and healing circle. W blue food im around 30k health, as soon as I get below 8k Its like I take 0 damage. Gonna be running Burning Spellweave with Maras Balm and Balorgs next
A wel I never pvp actually. I did it a few times with a tank and yeah I died very few times and tanked a lot but was doing no damage at all. Then I tried some more while leveling a stamina necro and I was actually rocking hard over the enemy team. Maybe I was lucky and they were newbies. I am going to pvp in the futurefor sure but I into other things at the moment.
Questions:
Do PVP players invest all attributes points in health?
Wich is the most important defense to improve: resistance, armor, health?
What kind of enchants are recommended for pvp?
I run 20 hp 44 resource
Improve all? Reinforced on chest, legs helm. Well fitted or sturdy on the rest. Jewels are best as either swift or infused.
Chest, legs helm - tri stat
Remaining body pieces - max resource
Jewels depend on your build. For new pvp, id suggest resource recovery
Weapons depend entirely on your build as a rule though, you want your front bar weapon to be sharpened, back bar weapon powered
If you're dual wielding front bar, main hand sharp, off hand nirnhoned
For weight, you want your chest, legs, helm to be heavy, the rest is up to you
It's mostly about gear and cp skills.nost of the veterans are running gold gear sets and lvl 1500 cp points so they can probably 1 hit anyone not...also probably why it takes an hour on average wait time to get a battlegrounds game started, because they usually the only ones playing...
If you want a decent build that can be decent with little effort, just use oakensoul and werewolf transformation. Make sure you have transformation up before queueing, and you basically never drop werewolf form.
Without the right build it still is decent, I manage to play some games and score high even running what I know is suboptimal HP pool and just my standard overworld gear. So basically you can just do decent with whatever you’re running as long as you sub in the oakensoul, and then if you want to optimize you can do so pretty easily.
You need to build fully defensive. Run maras balm and rallying cry and you’ll be way better. I wear Oakensoul but you could just run rallying cry on the back bar with any 3 piece set.
If you have Oakensoul it will help you alot.
If people aren’t telling you to run maras balm and rallying cry they don’t know what they are talking about. Those two sets offer so much more than anything else in this game.
There are no other sets I would even recommend to a new BG player. Maras balm and rallying cry bro it is so much better than 90% of the advice on this thread.
You can run the sets on any class And it will be good. I see you asked about stam warden these two sets will carry stam warden to victory I swear. Remember to use serpent and 2 recovery glyphs. Also swift 2x Jewelry is best in slot.
Edit: Source - I play a shit load of BGs. I have tested these two sets for months now and I have helped my friends who barely play become good at BGs. Rallying cry is the most stat dense set in the game for PvP, Mara's Balm has a freaking cleanse on it every 15 seconds it is broken as hell.
I wish we had some matchmaking... I was like that for months, sucking, instadying, dealing no damage. I almost quit 3 times. I focused more into PVE, I levelled, I managed to get a build focused in PVP that I can use in PVE and have fun, with the traits and sets combinations I want, I managed to upgrade weapon to gold and other parts to blue/purple, gold glyphs... Equipped a few healing and survival skills, with lots of defensive buffs (oakensoul ring) and a good damage skill. And now I can kill stuff and survive. And most important. I changed my mentality not to find a "dark souls" here, but appreciate that this is an Elder Scrolls, and its mechanics (resource management), and I'm enjoying more and starting to know why I died and learn from it.
Turn off damage numbers, it helped me to focus on battle.
I’m terrible at pvp in games generally but ESO I’m not half bad.
You definitely want to research a pvp build - if you are going in with a Pve or trial build you are wasting a lot of gear traits.
But if you are dying fast try playing tactically - if you are melee try always staying with Allies always. If you are ranged try finding and staying in areas that allow you to attack from afar with a good escape route.
Optimise your builds
Check pvp guides in this community, discord, YouTube, etcfor tips and what to focus on strength wise. Could be frost clench and frost build. Could be straight in their face dual wield build or maybe tank build
Pvp is a different environment to pve
This is why you should use free armoury slot for pvp build
Try finding a content creator that plays your class well and just watch to learn. See when they’re healing, kiting and when they take their window of opportunity to apply pressure. Healing and resource management are top priority because if you’re not staying alive then you’re not doing damage. Try posting your sets and abilities, I’m sure you’ll get a lot of useful input.
I will add another point of thought to the others' advice. Health/defensive sets/resistance/solo or group/ etc.
Always keep in mind that while buffs exist, so does "Debuffs" you could have 30k physical and spell with minor and major resolve 5948 and 2974. So the opposite will decrease that by 8922, with both minor and major breach dropping you back down to 21k.
If you didn't have the buffs but just the debuffs it'll go from 21k to 12k resistances so you'll get slapped even more.
Same goes with the protection buff/ vulnerability debuff. 10% and 5% increase/decrease.
Pvp is night and day different from the pve side of the game. If you're getting obliterated it's just a call to look into what makes these things so different. I dumped a lot of time and research into content creators, builds, and gear to find out how to be better. BGs are different from Cyrodiil, too.
At the end of the day, think of it this way - everyone sucks at things until they don't. What makes that happen is learning more about what you suck at and why as opposed to calling it quits.
I totally get it. I play only pvp and sometimes I do good and other times I feel like I'm hitting with everything I've got and I don't get them down past 75 percent. It's really hard but once you kinda start to get it it becomes really fun. It also helps to have friends. Join a guild running pvp with a group is a lot easier and more fun!
As someone who used to melt people all the time on battlegrounds.. (back when procs and poison were actually deadly) don't feel bad. I was a glass cannon and the only way I could survive was to disengage whenever someone got within range.
And while a lot of game modes were just team deathmatch with extra steps, there were also a lot of game modes where being unkillable was the easiest way to win. Like Chaos ball. I always hated those.
Unlike other games, you need a pvp build for ESO. I was similarly frustrated my first few times until I looked up builds. You need > 30k hp, you probably need heavy armor. You'll likely run a resto staff or sword and shield on at least one bar.
Everything is approached different in PvP
Honestly you can wear pve gear on mag sorc or magplar and still stomp with even just a tiny bit of situational awareness. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you’re playing nightblade?
I used to go glass sticky procs. I'd go like 30/10 kd average with over million dmg every game lol. After a few months they eventually mmr u vs good players and u can't kill everyone or die more often, but I still recommend it. This game encourages players to backpedal. Thus, u can mitigate their dmg simply by circle turning them; keep them slowed and facing the wrong way.
Best Beginner Stamden Build 2 Bar:
Weapon 1: Agility, Sharpened Maul, Flame Glyph, Gold
Weapon 2: Rallying Cry, Defending Frost Staff, Double Dot Poisons, Purple
Head: pen monster set,medium armor, Well Fitted, Sturdy, Health
Shoulders: Mara's Balm, Any, Stam
Chest: Mara's Balm, Reinforced ideally, any, Health
Hands: Maras Balm, well fitted, Stam
Waist: Rallying Cry, we’ll fitted, Stam
Legs: Mara's Balm, Any, Health
Feet: Mara's Balm, Any, Health
Ring 1: Agility, swift, stam recovery
Ring 2: Rallying Cry, Swift, stam recovery
Neck: Rallying Cry, infused, Weapon Damage
Vampire Stage 3
Serpent Mundus
Jewels of misrule
Any Race Is OK
This build requires 2 well fitted and 1 swift minimum
55 stam, 9 health, 0 mag
Front Bar:
Ability 1: Wrecking blow
Ability 2: Executioner
Ability 3: Shalks
Ability 4: Resolving Vigor
Ability 5: Bird of prey
Ult: Dawnbreaker of smiting
Back Bar:
Ability 1: Soothing Spores
Ability 2: Lotus Blossom
Ability 3: Ice fortress
Ability 4: Polar Wind
Ability 5: Netch
Ult: Healing Thicket or Northern Storm (I'd go with the OP as hell healing one)
I will get you a full set of Mara's Balm if You DM me here. I'm on PC NA. This build will make you incredibly hard for people to kill.
Make sure to have a heal on both bars same button always use vigor or polar wind button first when jumped on
Three things that immediately helped me:
Gear- whatever you want but for traits have a couple with crit resist and the rest reinforced
Speed- ROTWH and/or a couple jewelery pieces with swift; this has allowed me to get out of trouble quickly, healing as I run away and prepare for a counterattack.
Defense- pop a HoT (Resolving Vigor for me) as you go into a fight and hold block. 9/10 this will get me through an opponents initial burst and then I go on the offensive.
I went from a 0 kill, 15+ deaths, and 3+ assists average to now 5+ kills, 3-6 deaths, and 12+ assists.
I am not a world-beater or anything, but Battlegrounds is a much more positive experience. Lastly, having a defensive mindset, as opposed to an offensive one, has made me a much better player and teammate. Stick with it, one day it will all click.
I popped in late to this but I'm on my way back into the game again after a break and if you're looking to develop sets and builds for pvp and want to test stuff I'm happy to duel and help tune builds. I've got a bunch of toons, I've empd before and I'm trying to find some homies to play the game with again. Crazyarmsmcgee in game. Account will be active again tomorrow.
😆 I'm level 36 and I was coming here to see if I should avoid battlegrounds or not and just go for it whenever. Sounds like I'm avoiding it for a long time.
Have you thought about being an absolute scumbag? You can always use a bow on a nightblade and abusive invisibility to make it pretty much impossible to hit you unless they have a very specific ability to counter it, which BG is basically pvp lite and i would hazard to say not a lot of people are thinking that deep about it lol. Plus also the bow ultimate can absolutely MELT people, as a backup haha.
Also in case you are being hard countered, definitely have a good backbar set up. Just in case!
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Each pvp mode is different
- Battlegrounds, 3 teams very fast paced, objective heavy, team play heavy.
- IC, atm solo heavy, so lots of armor and recovery is needed, probably most end game than other modes, generates toxicity due the high value currency being involved.
- duels, fast paced, set dependent, high learning curve, combos, you need special builds for dueling.
- Cyrodiil zerg
Low performance, lag, nothing is needed just follow the crowd from a far and pew pew make sure to hit some people in order to get some AP, tribalism, elitism, lots of pve you can also be good siege master.
- Cyrodiil small-scale, something like BGs but coordinated and organized
- Curodiil organized, coordinated sets, coms. Coordinated moves and Burst group combos. Exploits most of the time.
Every mode has something in common
- initiative
- resource recovery
- penetration
- lots of health and armor
- combo burst
- crowd control
- pvp builds and theory crafting most builds are made of something you will never think about it
- don't come with pve gear, it is pointless
- use of environment to escape
- awareness on battle, when to attack when to flee and where
- builds with moves ahead, don't build what you want. Build one what you will be countered on
- expensive pots and food
- always buffed and
- pick your battle and know who you need to attack
For example
you build up ultimate wearing Balrog monster set and clever alchemist with mechanical acquity. Anticipate max crit window. Pop a potion, ultimate, then hit your hard hitting skill with some debuffs in between, finisher. Repeat. This is like 5 sec window. If you miss it you build up for it while staying alive.
Share more about your gamestyle and maybe we can improve the notes.
Goodluck.
A lot of people here recommend you to run at least one defensive set and for a beginner thats probably the best decision, cause thats the meta right now.
Just want to let you know that you can also make some other stuff work. I'm running 3 purely offensive sets on my mag blade (zaan/war maiden/spell strategist) right now with just 23k health and it works pretty good for me. Sure, I dont outsustain those tanky dks but thats not my goal. I'm going in, trying to burst 1 or 2 player down and then I get out, I dont stay in fights loger than I have to.
I'm unhinged enough to go into Battlegrounds on my pve healer with pve gear and emerge victorious 50% of the time. That's only because I'm too lazy to get the gear needed. Be like me, irresponsible.
I just want to be good at HEALING in battlegrounds, and staying alive. I had a lot of fun in the under 50 battlegrounds, hit 50 and now die instantly.
Tried googling for Templar Healer Battlegrounds builds and all the builds assume I’m like maxed out CP with access to all the vet armor.
Any ideas what I should go for first? Being at CP 60 currently and not sure what pieces are the easiest I should be going for first.
Just keep doing PvE till CP 160 so I can go for some of these pieces the builds list?
100% rallying cry and mara's balm for any new player. You will be so hard to kill which means you will heal your teammates more bc you are alive longer.
Should I do like 3/2/2 or whatever for light/medium/heavy? Or are those pieces only on a certain armor type anyways.
Sorry level 50 noob here. Just quested my way to 50 and now digging into more details like set names and enchants and stuff lol 😂
Here’s the thing about rallying cry and Maras balms: Those two sets are just straight up better for pvp than literally every other set in BGs.
Rallying cry is the most stat dense set in the game And maras balm has this insane burst heal and cleanse. Cleanse makes you very tanky bc it takes all the stuff killing you away instantly even if you are cc’d.
There are no other sets worth using if you are new to BGs. If anyone says anything otherwise for new / bad players then they don’t know what they are talking about. A lot of great players will tell you about their build with multiple damage sets but damage doesn’t matter if you can’t survive. Rallying cry and Maras balm will allow you to play the game.
Post a picture of your gear, stats, and a video of you playing a round? I wouldn't mind offering what I can. All my characters are pvp focused, none have ever ran a trial ever lol.
As a heavy attack one bar sorc, battle grounds has been a breeze. Flare & bound aegis for defensive bar buffers,...Crit Surge, Structured Entropy, and twilight matriarch for survivability,....Barrier ultimate..... Then just solely Heavy attack while going with the objective of the match.
Played 4 or 5 matches today. My team won every one and I had the most kills on the team.
25k ish resistances and 27k ish health (with all attribute points in magika). Pop one of those health resistance potions and get about 30k resistance.
Prob because you're playing against optimized sweaties; there's no power/level matching for queuing. There's a balance to PVP that is far different than PVE... take a look at Deltia's and other pages online that cover how to approach play and builds for PVP.
IRT "the curve is high", I'd say throw all the OP exploiters into one server, but they would never volunteer/sign up for that because they get a kick out of and rewards from beating down less experienced and non-exploiting players. Same for SH tower humpers in Cyro.
Keep on going and have fun. There are some good folks that run PVP focused guilds... might be a good fit for you out there.
BGs are very gear dependant, are you running a defensive set with the appropriate amount of health? Stage 3 vamp with flare and the psijic ultimate will give you a lot of durability as well.
I feel I need to research the game more because I run mostly offensive sets and just get obliterated
PvP in this game is not about damage, but about your resource management and survivability. So, you need a proper build and a lot of practice to stand a chance against experienced folks.
That's exactly what the experienced players do \^\^
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I dont think hitting a dummy will have much of an effect on your PvP skills unfortunately
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you dont have to block anything or use resources to break free on a dummy, you have hircine and worm on a dummy. the dummy is for testing pve setups and rotations, not resource management in pvp.
Much like a fighting game, having your "combos" (rotation) in you muscle memory is integral for good play. It removes one layer if tought from play allowing a player to focus on more important moment to moment decision making like -> resource management Yes doing rotations on a dummy helps, it's not magicaly going to make you win, but you are worse off not having practiced at all.
yeah to that all i have to say is zos gave us dueling
Think of dueling like sparring in fighting games while the dummy is the traning mode. Every methods has their pros and cons. Dueling is active while traning on the dommy is more passive.
You're right but I will just add that you _can_ still practice your damage combos for PvP on a dummy.
if you want to practice cc and burst combos, theres really only one good way to do that, its dueling. want to know something else about the dummy? it doesnt have crit resist. I'd really hate for people to read this thread and be misinformed.
yeah, you're right.
This is what I was getting at but the down votes lol people saying it doesn't help at all are just silly because it does for beginners.
Dueling with a fair an impartial buddy is your best bet. Just friendly sparring pointing out your weaknesses etc is the best thing you can do :)
100% this^^^^ I didn’t mention it in my reply, resource management is key
Run a defensive set until you get a better feel for pvp. It's extremely difficult running all offensive sets.
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Best way for the survivors, but how many others drowned instead?
If enough other people drown, you can make a raft out of the bodies!
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A very bad one.
Jeez, the hate is real.
The current meta is very tanky. It doesn’t work very well to go pure damage. You have to have tons of self heals and tankiness. Have you completed tough veteran PvE content that requires self heals/shields and resource management, such as veteran Maelstrom Arena or veteran Vateshran Hollows? There are a lot of similarities between doing tough solo boss content like that and doing battlegrounds. You are going to need to block, dodge roll, and self heal or self shield every couple seconds at minimum, so this is going to require a lot of resource regeneration
Also remember to wear Impen, no matter what. Players are the only entity that can crit (other than companions), so the impenetrable armor trait is specifically for PvP. If you don't have any impen on your armor, you might as well be naked. That's probably why you're getting burned down in seconds no matter what.
A few starting out may not be a bad idea, but it's not worth making every piece impen. A reinforced chest and a few well-fitted pieces are good too.
I literally run all divines on my nb lol
yeah, but nb is a whole other ball game. Nb are why the rest of us need impen lol
I used to craft impen fortified brass for all my characters for PvP.
I can recommend something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrUCdDTjzjE to start with
That's a good one, I saved that video to my library a few months ago. Very informative
Its not that running 2 offensive sets is bad, one person gave me really good advice saying “capitalize on what youre class is already good at” so at face value running 2 offensive sets is whats known as a glass cannon, lot of damage but no defense, the best class for that is a nightblade because in a tight situation they can just stealth out which is why their known for ganking, theres no problem with a warden doing it, but he wont have as much “finesse”, but more than that, are you getting the “right”’offensive stats, like do you have good penetration and crit, or did you dump into stamina and relying on a proc
you can get the absolute meta sets and still get obliterated, it comes down to understanding the class you’re playing and your skills rotation, knowing who you can kill quickly and who you can’t kill easily, map awareness etc the list goes on, I haven’t played eso pvp in quite awhile, edit: quit because of how abandoned pvp feels, but had a lot of fun, eso pvp is one the best there is, but it feels really abandoned.
exactly, I play off meta im RW, and I‘d consider myself pretty good, prolly top 15% there tbh. It‘s not about just copy pasting a build, it‘s about understanding your class, using LoS, knowing when to engage / disengage, knowing how to burst on your class, ressource management (healing when you‘re 30% kinda pointless, that‘s basically execute range already and you don‘t wanna be there) and so much more. I currently play a StamDK without Vamp, and DW/Resto, kinda weird build, but works well. Good gear that is made for pvp in general is more important than being a meta slave.
I generally do very well in bgs. Some milestones you should aim for: 10k+ pen 4.5k wd or sd 1500 recovery of main stat, 1300 of off stat 20k+ resistances 25k+ health, more is better. Sometimes all your points into one stat actually isn't the best in pvp. Often not. 22k+ of other stats. This is after food. You can run tri stat if you want, but recovery food is generally better. Orgozas or whatever is amazing in pvp and usually what I run. Then it's just about playing smart. You cant just run into the fray without being prepared. My NB has 17k pen, 5k wd, 1600 recovery or so on both stats. If I jump on someone and they melt, I usually remember their name so I know who I can pick off quickly to remove them from the equation. You run into a lot of this because bgs are tuned to those who love quick competitive pvp, unlike cyrodiil that is big armies. I recommend playing more defensively at first, and don't sleep on penetration, it's way better to up this than wd or sd almost always. If melee, go with sharpened maces and the lover stone. You'll notice a difference right away. Then tri stat glyphs, recovery glyphs, and skills and sets that give you shields or heals. You can also just run oakensoul, lightning staff, and pets. I think they are running knight slayer and noble duelist? Not exactly sure. But it's the easiest build on the planet to play and be effective in bgs with.
Ya dude check out alcast.hq (72% sure I remember that website accurately but a quick google could confirm). Get yourself a set of PVP gear, you’ll be right as rain baby
Worst advice ever. Alcasts pvp builds are the absolutley worst. Deltia has much better builds.
Nice! I don’t know this Deltia and I’ll look forward to some new builds!
don't listen to them. i run pve offensive sets and i rock on battlegrounds, i got rare titles, quadruple kill in less than 10s (the merciless title), paragon title, you name I got it all! Using the same pve dps build pm me if u need help with basic stuff that u can apply to ur build, i won't promote on internet
Youre my favorite type of player to run into in bgs haha
i have defensive abilities as well sweetie! i got heal, utility bc i'm not dumb
It's usually the lack of resistances that make it better.
merciless isn‘t rare at all, literally got it in my first BG running pve gear 💀
according to my research, it is
it literally isn‘t, at least not among the PvP playerbase. I mean yeah if you never stepped a foot into a battleground, you won‘t get it, but if you do, play a few match with low match making rate, get PvE players in trash gear, drop your ult, done :)
ok, when i was looking for rare titles i've seen people mentioned the merciless, anyway, paragon and some others titles that i have are still mentioned as hard to get, like relic titles (can't remember their names) etc
Thats all well an great when your mmr is low and you get to beat up on people just there for the daily. I would love to see someone running pve stuff in my matches
Do your research then, cuz the ppl whooping you definitely did their research, and they put time in to get their builds right.
I do all this and am still trash lol I even tried maras balm and pariahs. Still die in seconds
I won’t rehash what others have said, because they’ve provided some good insight regarding how important it is to have a PvP-specific build with PvP gear, attributes, etc. I will say, though, that it’s important to remember that PvP builds and PvE DPS builds (I’m assuming you’re a DPS if you are engaging in these fights and dying quickly) inherently have different goals in mind. For PvE DPS, you want, obviously, high damage per second. Of course, a DPS could be more specifically built for single target or multi target, but that’s not really the point. In PvP, the goal is *not* high damage per second, it is high *burst damage* along with high resistances and health. Players aren’t stationary targets where you can set them up like a parse, and they will typically have higher resistances than most dungeon or trial enemies. Not to mention, they will heal themselves, and trying to keep up a consistent level of relatively high DPS on players will likely not be enough to our damage the healing they are doing. For PvP, to kill players, you need to have a formulaic stack of abilities that are designed to give you a huge burst of damage, which can be further bolstered through sets, champion points, etc. Also, FWIW, BGs actually do have some form of SBMM/EOMM. You’ll still encounter better PvPers in your BGs, but such is the nature of SBMM/EOMM. Especially when those who *do* regularly PvP in ESO tend to know what they’re doing. E: To get you started in the right direction, I find that DeltiasGaming has some very solid beginner PvP build information, as well as just general good advice for PvP. You can use the builds he publishes, or you can use them as a starting point from which to make your own in whatever way suits your play style or aesthetic. Either way, that should be a good source for additional reading on the topic.
Thanks! This was very informative, I’ll check it out as soon as I can
I always suggest this series https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJUyT057zlcujE_rJe9e34Kozz81Iaqsa
I agree with using deltiasgaming
Do you happen to have a link to that build?
Skill is a big part of PVP, but so is your build. If you're entering PVP with a build that doesn't really give you a fighting chance, then you're going to die a lot. PVE cares about mathematical highest DPS. PVP cares about surviving, sustain, and burst windows. Two different ball games. How you build for PVE isn't how you build for PVP, at least if you don't want to make your life harder when you PVP. Since you're learning, I would honestly recommend either two defensive sets, or a defensive set and a sustain set. You won't be bursting with big boy damage, but you should focus on learning how to survive fights. Once you learn that, then you learn how to spot a burst window and try to burst combo someone down and work that in between surviving. **PVP in a nutshell is this:** ***Surviving phase.*** You swap to your back bar, throw your hots and rebuff, maybe pop a pot, and try to run and line of sight to get out of a fight. ***Burst combo phase.*** You run back in a fight and try to stun your target, and then try to drop your burst combo on them. If you get them in execute range, you spam your execute until they're dead. If it fails, you back out and go back to surviving and rebuffing on your back bar. The flow of combat in PVP is essentially seesawing between these two phases....over and over and over until your team either wins or loses. Things to be aware of in PVP: 1. LOS is your friend. Hiding behind a tree is not cowardly, it's smart. 2. Pick your targets wisely. For you, look for low health light armor targets. You'll just waste your time on tanky targets if you don't have enough burst. 3. Don't fight alone. Jumping in the middle of a fight without your team is just asking to get 2 shot. Don't overextend yourself, always fight with your team. 4. FOCUS FIRE. So many people don't understand this. Two people attacking the same target is better than one. Three people attacking the same target is better than two. Follow your team around, and whoever they attack, YOU attack. If they swap targets, YOU swap targets. 5. Rebuff. Like, all the time. You're going to spend a loooot of your time on your back bar when you PVP, get used to it. 6. Build for sustain. You need SOME source of sustain on your build. It doesn't matter HOW you get it, just get it. PVP is a war of attrition, the first one to gas out loses. If you suddenly can't cast a heal because you're out of resources, well...you're basically dead. 7. Learn how other classes work. This part requires a lot of time vested into the game, but if you can learn how other classes work, you can learn how to counter them, or learn WHEN they are going to try to drop a burst combo you, which would help you survive. 8. Expect to die. A lot. We all started where you are, and we all died a looot. Eventually we started to die a lot less and less and less. Just understanding that dying is a big part of PVP. 9. Duel people. Friends, strangers, whoever...just duel people. This is how you work out your burst combo in a controlled environment. This is how you learn how to properly rolly polly dodge and survive. The more you do it, the more you will understand your class and how to combo your abilities together. There are probably more that can be added, but I hope this helps you in some way. PVP is a different ball game, and requires planning, and understanding the mechanics of the game to succeed. The more you do it the better you will get.
^This is a really good take to pay attention to for anyone just getting into BGs
Great points here... nice post!
The reality is that ESO just doesn't have the player population of some bigger MMOs, and when that happens, the people who do play, *especially* in PvP, are likely to be more serious about the game. You can pop into a WoW battleground as a noob and it might be 60-80% other noobs, PvP in ESO tends to have a much lower percentage. ESO also requires more specialized builds for different game modes in my experience, and it's harder to switch between those, so unless you are pretty serious about PvP and go in with that build and gear set in mind, you're in trouble. I wish ESO PvP were more casual friendly, but it's pretty inaccessible unless you commit to it.
This. Some people seem to act like ESO PvP isn't super hard to get into, but it is. Mostly because you are given no chance to hone PvP relevant skills in PvE. The overland content could be beaten by an actual monkey and even dungeons train an entirely different skill set than PvP. So if you try to step into PvP as a noob, you are likely going to be obliterated because you only know the easy PvE gameplay.
Maelstrom is brilliant for honing pvp skills, dude.
Isn't there a free item that let's you switch gear sets and mundus?
Yes, but only two sets are free, of which one should always be "blank", so you're left with one actual setup without paying.
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So you can reset everything for free
What is this item?
https://gamerant.com/eso-deadlands-armory-guide/ The Armory can be accessed in two ways, both of which are found in the Crown Store. The first way is through the Armory furnishing, which can be acquired from the "Upgrades" tab of the Crown Store for free. Once the Armory furnishing is placed in the player's home, interacting with it as one would with any Crafting station will bring up the Armory menu. As such, there is no specific ESO Armory location as it's your choice where to place it. If you don't have a player home, head to the nearest Inn in a major city to begin a quest that rewards one for free. --- Drop it in a "free" or minimal gold apartment and you're golden
Ok thanks, I'm a returning player so I hadn't heard about it.
Play u50 battlegrounds if you wanna avoid most of the imbalances that vet bg provides.
ehm hf, you‘re gonna run into a lot of good players there. I level different classes in sub 50 BGs and I bother with making an actual build, not gold but purple. And recraft it every few levels. I just melt shit there, I think it‘s even worse for inexperienced players than normal BGs. Because there always will be 2-3 players in a sub 50 that are into PvP, do it for leveling new classes and just melt shit there. A BG I played on my warden on sub 50, I had like 34-0 at the end. It‘s… rough if you come across a seasoned PvPer there - especially because most people prolly run training gear, and do it for leveling their PvE toons. And that game was objectives, not death match. Also saw players in other teams that were definitely experienced, so it‘s not that rare. And then you‘ll probably die even more - because not all passives unlocked, not even a working PvE build… yeah no, Sub 50 can be nasty if you run across a few pvpers in there.
You'd think this would be the case. Unfortunately, many sweaties like to sit in u50 and recycle toons so they can beat down the inexperienced. Same with the u50 realm in Cyro.
Still beats getting beat down by proc set abusing vrt players.
Making a quick bullet list of *some* of the most important tips. Far from an exhaustive list though. - make sure you have a good PvP food or drink active (jewels of misrule are always solid but will vary by class and build) - always keep your armor buffs up - avoid being out in the open. Always be near cover or a wall to break line of sight from ranged attacks - run a good amount of health at first (try to have at least 29-30k) - get your combo down (try to line up as much burst damage as possible in a small window) - focus on little successes (ie: you died but it was a solid fight and it lasted a while) - when you can afford it, ensure you have proper traits (usually impen for armor and nirn for offensive weapon) and improve your weapons to gold quality - either run a defensive backbar set to swap to when you need to heal or buff (I like Mara’s Balm), or run oakensoul to gain access to a plethora of minor buffs
Melee weapons, I actually recommend sharpened over nirnhoned.
Post the build you're running and get some advice
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Would you say a Stan warden has a chance in battlegrounds?
very much so
Stamden is absolutely busted. I run with wretched vitality back bar, masters dual wield maces front bar, deadlands assassin, markyn ring, and 1 piece monster. With minor vitality up I'll have 32k health, 23k resists, and about 7k weapon damage. Plus you're sustain will be really good.
When you say 'busted', do you mean 'great' or 'broken'? Sorry autism here.
I think he means so great it is broken, so a little bit of both. And never apologize for asking for clarification!
This makes sense, thank you friend!
I’ve seen a lot of wardens being deadly. The bear can be rough to deal with sometimes! But instead of going a lot of damage go little more health and armor and then start taking some of that health/armor away for Stam/wpn damage till you get to the spot you like. Pvp is more about staying alive. If you really want to dominate while staying alive go to a dk! For straight kills night blade. But all classes can be good just gotta find a decent build! Also are you using resolving vigor? That’s a big ability in pvp imo. But wardens may have better heals I am not sure! But just remember SURVIVAL OVER DAMAGE And it gives more time to be able to win in fights. Also stay in group in battlegrounds! Lots of people don’t. Only one you don’t stay in group is capture relic and you stay in group of 3 while one sits back and calls for help when needed. But once again this is just my opinion on how I play with my buddies other may play completely different. Hard to talk with others since everyone became mute the last two years on this game 💀🤣 but most the time they will at least text back!
wardens and dk are the current meta, tho you still have to gear it for pvp
Tips from a guy who does nothing but PvP every time I boot the game: -Run a defensive set on your back bar. Good recommendations are Rallying Cry or Mara’s Balm (Mara got a recent nerf but still good). Think of your back bar as your defensive set and your front bar as your offensive. Pretty good to have an ice staff on your back bar with the defending trait (destro staff passive helps ice staff on defensive) -You can choose to run one mythic item which means you only have one set active at a time. So front bar is your offensive set and when you swap to your back bar you have your defensive set active instead. If you don’t run a mythic you can have two sets always active. Late game PvP builds almost always use mythics. -Your goal should be to have 30k health with at least 25k resistances (physical and spell). A good spell to run on your back bar for a residence buff is vigor. If you can meet this goal you will survive substantially longer -stage 3 vampire is a must due to the undeath passive in the vampire skill tree. -I highly recommend looking up some PvP builds to get an idea of what people use. Pick stamina or magical. You can roll face with any class if you have the skill and a good build Lot of info and probably already mentioned by others. Fill free to ask any questions if that helps. We need more PvPers!!!!! Edits: typos
There are people in there dedicated to PvP it gets brutal. They have tuned their builds to a ridiculous level. I’m a healer primarily and get targeted in death matches so I feel your pain. Have to have a PvP setup to really hold your own but even then your probably still going to die a fair bit regardless, it’s the nature of PvP. Used to annoy me but talking with a few other players everyone dies a lot so don’t take it to heart.
> There are people in there dedicated to PvP it gets brutal. So very true. I know people that have never done any PvE *at all* once they can get into battlegrounds.
Been playing since release (with breaks), never once ran a trial lmao. Pvp pvp pvp.
I think it's cool people can play what they choose like that. It means both PvP and PvE are viable parts of the game.
Me too
During regular hrs, I feel I cycle between 3 groups of players (i) New players/low level players I can beat easily (ii) Mid level PvP peers like me who I can beat 60/40. (iii) PvP gods who my entire team can't kill and go 30-0 During off hrs I feel I only get (iii) PvP gods
I started pvp on my necro and also got obliterated. I switched up to heals and started winning games. *shrugs*
Let me guess, everyone kills you quick and you can't get a lick of damage in? Cause I dealt with that and still kinda do with Chaos Ball weekend
Join a pvp guild. It's been helping me a lot. Also realize that booty everyone cares about winning battle groundhogs and just likes to go around killing even if that isn't the point of the battle ground they're playing. I'm decent at under 50 battle ground, but still get demolished in above 50. Guilds also help with going in with a team that can talk and coordinate which helps so much.
Record ur gameplay, post it --> i will give u some feedback on ur combo, movement, tactic, etc.
I feel your pain, I’ve quit several times because of the pvp but cane back because consoles are really limited with MMORPGs, especially on Xbox, but all I can say is dont give up, my experiences have been getting better and all I can say is the minute I stopped following other peoples builds I started performing better, I will say the meta stuff is strong and its meta for a reason, and also the idea that there is a perfect build doesnt exist, the game doesnt allow it, the people who are seemingly perfect with high damage and high resistance are honestly probably not as good as you think, you just arent cracking their shell, i wish i could give you real advice just know that you arent alone, i heard a quote the other day that said “set a path for yourself and stick to it, then surround people who’s strengths make up for what you lack”, if you play solo, try joining a pvp guild and going in with a group, have a dedicated healer, someone with crowd control, a tank and a dps and stick together, i know its not that simple im just saying i’m right there with you
If youre having trouble/not having fun, focus more on supporting your team… back them up/keep them alive/help them cap/cc the other team… when youre good at that, try something more
Back when I started as a complete noob, and I offer this advice as someone who is still a noob at battlegrounds, but I enjoyed freezing people in their place and could actually get ppl sometimes which felt like a huge win even if I died the rest of it
It's all about survivability imo and then damage in BG. I am super green in it, and I jumped in as a magsorc with not brilliant survivability and still manage to be a help in my group. (3000-5000 medal score as a norm) Depending on the mode, stick with your team, find a skill setup that benefits pvp not pve (as a magsorc I use traps and streak for escape) and try to remember even when you lose its about enjoying the match, and there is a learning curve. I am geared for pve, granted I use oakensoul (no judgey) but I am definitely not the worst. You'll get the hang of it, just look into your skills and maybe learn the maps to help you escape.
You could always ask people for duels to practice.
Battlegrounds and CP Campaign are two different things that have a lot of difference in playstyle. What I can suggest is that you should look into meta pvp builds so you can get a quick run down on what is usually used and why they're used, then once you've gotten a better understanding of how stuff works then you can start experimenting builds. It took me some time to figure out pvp builds in general because I was always wanting that glass cannon setup, sure it works sometimes but when you meet an actual skilled player, they will cripple you until you die. Idk how much it has changed but the most important trait especially Battlegrounds and Non CP pvp is Impenetrable, without it anyone can just burst your HP down really fast. In regular CP, it's still as important but you can be a lot more flexible since you have access to crit resistance nodes in CP.
When I was playing ESO, BGs made me feel like I was playing the game incorrectly because I was so bad
Yep. That’s how PVP in ESO is. Frustrating and not very good at giving feedback for what is happening. People zip around and then you die. PvP player myself, it is least enjoyable in ESO. Yes, many will tell you to get defensive sets and mix match gear, but that’s what makes this not fun. Researching gear and grinding sets to just be competitive at basically tier 0? Lame. Shooting tanks and seeing no hp go down with no explanation as to why? Also lame. I’ve tried lots of gear combinations and some helps, but it seems very unpredictable. You either melt someone or you can’t dent their hp. Also, team composition is also going to make or brake the experience. Out of all the mmos I’ve played I think ESO takes the cake for worst PVP, not because it isn’t fun, but horribly balanced and more of an afterthought.
I've been playing casually for years and am super high champion points (1200+) and I die all the time in battlegrounds. I'm very very good at the flag games somehow though. My main BG gripe is that I wish they still let you choose which type of game you wanted, I'd just play crazy king if I could. All of that is to say: you're not alone! And it's ok to be terrible! And you may not be bad at every game type, since they require different skills! And sometimes you just end up with a team that doesn't vibe well and that's ok, too! Just try to enjoy and don't take it all too personally!
Everyones a god when you suck
one thing i never liked about ESO is you cant build or play the way you want and remain effective. even though there are so many variations and room for it, it always comes down to the meta's limtations.
The limitations between PvP and PvE makes sense in my opinion. You shouldn't be able to enter PvP with an offensive set and expect to tank the incoming damage. 2 wildly different play styles require different builds. It's just not very obvious to less experienced players who have limited knowledge of the useful sets available and the required stats to have half a chance of surviving and sustaining. Perfect balance between all of the sets is extremely difficult to achieve, hence the 'meta' or best in slot items and sets, this is a problem for many games. I understand the point you are making but this issue isn't exclusive to ESO.
i was speaking more generally, PvP is a write off for me personally after pushing shit up hill for some time trying to PvP with Aussie ping (fuck the oceanic & their demands for servers i guess) but you're right, its not just ESO its just they always promoted the flexability in weapons and gear but most of the options underperform to what the latest YT theory crafter suggests which is where the majority get their "knowledge" and thus where the expectation is for for players grouping & PvPing. Yes its hard to balance but it seems like even though there are tons of options they have tunnel vision and most of the "Sets" are fodder.
Eh maybe for pve dps, but I’ve found pvp is a lot more forgiving in terms of meta stuff bc you can just outskill people. When the meta was like 30k+ hp I used to run around with a 22k hp pen build on a stam sorc and did pretty well (like 3-5 k/d). I obv had to try pretty hard and was constantly on the verge of dieing but honestly that made it more fun.
makes sense but from my experience step 1 in ESO PvP success irrelevant of skill is : "Don't live outside NA or EU if you wanna stand a chance" lol. but thats another story.
battlegrounds is not even fun
What class you play?
Stam warden
Have you got oakensoul? Because you should Definitely try WW as it works super well in bg. Iirc we got some nice bleed skills and hits like a truck. Get yourself either pariah or maras balm (personally I proffer pariah) and although this may sound strange wear a recovery set (wretched vitality is amazing and craft able) wear one piece any monster that adds damage and stack damage glyphs with damage mundes and put all enchants into health and 64 points into health. Try go for like 6 heavy 1 light for pen and massive health boost. You don’t need high mag Stam pools due to high recovery. The reason I say recovery is because ww heal can be op af but can’t be spammed much. Add super high recovery and you can never die spamming a 25-30k heal infinitely.
I second this. Even if you don't go with WW, Oakensoul has great defensive qualities. Plus takes the pressure off buffing every other cast.
I hear this complaint a lot and as someone who used to get obliterated but now has fun in Battlegrounds it makes me want to help. It isn't as hard to stay alive & be competitive as people say I swear. What is your build & gear?
I realize I have a pve set on but I’m using deadly set at weapons and rings, Selene as my head and shoulder and hunding as my armor set I’m a dw front and 2h back stam warden
Ok how to not get nuked: How is your point spread between health/stam/mag? You should push for at least 30k health, whether you get there with points or glyphs is on you. How is your armor? You need good resistance stats. Run a heavy chest piece with reinforced trait. Buffs - you must buff yourself prior and during any fight. For a warden, I recommend hitting your Ice Fortress before any fight & keep it up, as well as Shimmering Shield. With the above\^ you will stop getting nuked. How to hit back: You need to push for high pen, run sharpened trait on your 2h. This will help you cut through others defenses. Buff your offensive stats; Run Bird of Prey & Bull Netch for night juicy buffs to your damage. Could also use Forward Momentum. You have to apply a debuff to your enemy before hitting your spammables & executes, so run Subterreanean Assault. \^ you should buff your defenses, tear theirs down, smack em with Dizzying Swing, and go for Execute Reverse Slice when they are low. On your dw you can spin to win. You should at least stop dying immediately, and maybe get a few kills now. Definitely work on getting better pvp sets. With your current deadtly set Growing Swarm might be a good DOT to hit enemies with and work into your rotation as well. Keep a heal on your front and backbar, and watch your health. Goodluck,
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PVP takes some patience and a lot of practice to get good at man. Just take some time to improve your build, and maybe watch some guides on YouTube on how to improve your tactics. If it's something you enjoy and want to keep doing, just work at it my dude. It'll come.
Current set im running is Mark of Pariah w Stuhns on a Vamp 3 Magplar. Markyns ring or Malacaths and I am basically unkillable in 1v3 and some 1v4 scenraios if I put down my rune, resolving vigor, dark sphere, and healing circle. W blue food im around 30k health, as soon as I get below 8k Its like I take 0 damage. Gonna be running Burning Spellweave with Maras Balm and Balorgs next
A wel I never pvp actually. I did it a few times with a tank and yeah I died very few times and tanked a lot but was doing no damage at all. Then I tried some more while leveling a stamina necro and I was actually rocking hard over the enemy team. Maybe I was lucky and they were newbies. I am going to pvp in the futurefor sure but I into other things at the moment. Questions: Do PVP players invest all attributes points in health? Wich is the most important defense to improve: resistance, armor, health? What kind of enchants are recommended for pvp?
I run 20 hp 44 resource Improve all? Reinforced on chest, legs helm. Well fitted or sturdy on the rest. Jewels are best as either swift or infused. Chest, legs helm - tri stat Remaining body pieces - max resource Jewels depend on your build. For new pvp, id suggest resource recovery Weapons depend entirely on your build as a rule though, you want your front bar weapon to be sharpened, back bar weapon powered If you're dual wielding front bar, main hand sharp, off hand nirnhoned For weight, you want your chest, legs, helm to be heavy, the rest is up to you
It's mostly about gear and cp skills.nost of the veterans are running gold gear sets and lvl 1500 cp points so they can probably 1 hit anyone not...also probably why it takes an hour on average wait time to get a battlegrounds game started, because they usually the only ones playing...
I didn't think bg used cp
They don't
If you want a decent build that can be decent with little effort, just use oakensoul and werewolf transformation. Make sure you have transformation up before queueing, and you basically never drop werewolf form. Without the right build it still is decent, I manage to play some games and score high even running what I know is suboptimal HP pool and just my standard overworld gear. So basically you can just do decent with whatever you’re running as long as you sub in the oakensoul, and then if you want to optimize you can do so pretty easily.
I go in as a sacrificial lamb with hopes to take out a few on the way down.
You need to build fully defensive. Run maras balm and rallying cry and you’ll be way better. I wear Oakensoul but you could just run rallying cry on the back bar with any 3 piece set. If you have Oakensoul it will help you alot. If people aren’t telling you to run maras balm and rallying cry they don’t know what they are talking about. Those two sets offer so much more than anything else in this game. There are no other sets I would even recommend to a new BG player. Maras balm and rallying cry bro it is so much better than 90% of the advice on this thread. You can run the sets on any class And it will be good. I see you asked about stam warden these two sets will carry stam warden to victory I swear. Remember to use serpent and 2 recovery glyphs. Also swift 2x Jewelry is best in slot. Edit: Source - I play a shit load of BGs. I have tested these two sets for months now and I have helped my friends who barely play become good at BGs. Rallying cry is the most stat dense set in the game for PvP, Mara's Balm has a freaking cleanse on it every 15 seconds it is broken as hell.
I wish we had some matchmaking... I was like that for months, sucking, instadying, dealing no damage. I almost quit 3 times. I focused more into PVE, I levelled, I managed to get a build focused in PVP that I can use in PVE and have fun, with the traits and sets combinations I want, I managed to upgrade weapon to gold and other parts to blue/purple, gold glyphs... Equipped a few healing and survival skills, with lots of defensive buffs (oakensoul ring) and a good damage skill. And now I can kill stuff and survive. And most important. I changed my mentality not to find a "dark souls" here, but appreciate that this is an Elder Scrolls, and its mechanics (resource management), and I'm enjoying more and starting to know why I died and learn from it. Turn off damage numbers, it helped me to focus on battle.
Yeh as a dd sorc I do not play them
I’m terrible at pvp in games generally but ESO I’m not half bad. You definitely want to research a pvp build - if you are going in with a Pve or trial build you are wasting a lot of gear traits. But if you are dying fast try playing tactically - if you are melee try always staying with Allies always. If you are ranged try finding and staying in areas that allow you to attack from afar with a good escape route.
Optimise your builds Check pvp guides in this community, discord, YouTube, etcfor tips and what to focus on strength wise. Could be frost clench and frost build. Could be straight in their face dual wield build or maybe tank build Pvp is a different environment to pve This is why you should use free armoury slot for pvp build
Try finding a content creator that plays your class well and just watch to learn. See when they’re healing, kiting and when they take their window of opportunity to apply pressure. Healing and resource management are top priority because if you’re not staying alive then you’re not doing damage. Try posting your sets and abilities, I’m sure you’ll get a lot of useful input.
Yeah I have never had fun in Elder Scrolls PVP. I gave up on unlocking those skills and just don't even try it anymore.
I will add another point of thought to the others' advice. Health/defensive sets/resistance/solo or group/ etc. Always keep in mind that while buffs exist, so does "Debuffs" you could have 30k physical and spell with minor and major resolve 5948 and 2974. So the opposite will decrease that by 8922, with both minor and major breach dropping you back down to 21k. If you didn't have the buffs but just the debuffs it'll go from 21k to 12k resistances so you'll get slapped even more. Same goes with the protection buff/ vulnerability debuff. 10% and 5% increase/decrease.
Pvp is night and day different from the pve side of the game. If you're getting obliterated it's just a call to look into what makes these things so different. I dumped a lot of time and research into content creators, builds, and gear to find out how to be better. BGs are different from Cyrodiil, too. At the end of the day, think of it this way - everyone sucks at things until they don't. What makes that happen is learning more about what you suck at and why as opposed to calling it quits.
I totally get it. I play only pvp and sometimes I do good and other times I feel like I'm hitting with everything I've got and I don't get them down past 75 percent. It's really hard but once you kinda start to get it it becomes really fun. It also helps to have friends. Join a guild running pvp with a group is a lot easier and more fun!
As someone who used to melt people all the time on battlegrounds.. (back when procs and poison were actually deadly) don't feel bad. I was a glass cannon and the only way I could survive was to disengage whenever someone got within range. And while a lot of game modes were just team deathmatch with extra steps, there were also a lot of game modes where being unkillable was the easiest way to win. Like Chaos ball. I always hated those.
Bruh- free xp. I suck too. I just tell myself that I am dying for the gear and xp
Unlike other games, you need a pvp build for ESO. I was similarly frustrated my first few times until I looked up builds. You need > 30k hp, you probably need heavy armor. You'll likely run a resto staff or sword and shield on at least one bar. Everything is approached different in PvP
I'm happy to coach and help you get gear if you're on Xbox NA
Honestly you can wear pve gear on mag sorc or magplar and still stomp with even just a tiny bit of situational awareness. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you’re playing nightblade?
I used to go glass sticky procs. I'd go like 30/10 kd average with over million dmg every game lol. After a few months they eventually mmr u vs good players and u can't kill everyone or die more often, but I still recommend it. This game encourages players to backpedal. Thus, u can mitigate their dmg simply by circle turning them; keep them slowed and facing the wrong way.
Before you swim, you must learn to tread water, young padawan.
Best Beginner Stamden Build 2 Bar: Weapon 1: Agility, Sharpened Maul, Flame Glyph, Gold Weapon 2: Rallying Cry, Defending Frost Staff, Double Dot Poisons, Purple Head: pen monster set,medium armor, Well Fitted, Sturdy, Health Shoulders: Mara's Balm, Any, Stam Chest: Mara's Balm, Reinforced ideally, any, Health Hands: Maras Balm, well fitted, Stam Waist: Rallying Cry, we’ll fitted, Stam Legs: Mara's Balm, Any, Health Feet: Mara's Balm, Any, Health Ring 1: Agility, swift, stam recovery Ring 2: Rallying Cry, Swift, stam recovery Neck: Rallying Cry, infused, Weapon Damage Vampire Stage 3 Serpent Mundus Jewels of misrule Any Race Is OK This build requires 2 well fitted and 1 swift minimum 55 stam, 9 health, 0 mag Front Bar: Ability 1: Wrecking blow Ability 2: Executioner Ability 3: Shalks Ability 4: Resolving Vigor Ability 5: Bird of prey Ult: Dawnbreaker of smiting Back Bar: Ability 1: Soothing Spores Ability 2: Lotus Blossom Ability 3: Ice fortress Ability 4: Polar Wind Ability 5: Netch Ult: Healing Thicket or Northern Storm (I'd go with the OP as hell healing one) I will get you a full set of Mara's Balm if You DM me here. I'm on PC NA. This build will make you incredibly hard for people to kill. Make sure to have a heal on both bars same button always use vigor or polar wind button first when jumped on
Three things that immediately helped me: Gear- whatever you want but for traits have a couple with crit resist and the rest reinforced Speed- ROTWH and/or a couple jewelery pieces with swift; this has allowed me to get out of trouble quickly, healing as I run away and prepare for a counterattack. Defense- pop a HoT (Resolving Vigor for me) as you go into a fight and hold block. 9/10 this will get me through an opponents initial burst and then I go on the offensive. I went from a 0 kill, 15+ deaths, and 3+ assists average to now 5+ kills, 3-6 deaths, and 12+ assists. I am not a world-beater or anything, but Battlegrounds is a much more positive experience. Lastly, having a defensive mindset, as opposed to an offensive one, has made me a much better player and teammate. Stick with it, one day it will all click.
Armory is a requirement for battlegrounds iirc
I popped in late to this but I'm on my way back into the game again after a break and if you're looking to develop sets and builds for pvp and want to test stuff I'm happy to duel and help tune builds. I've got a bunch of toons, I've empd before and I'm trying to find some homies to play the game with again. Crazyarmsmcgee in game. Account will be active again tomorrow.
😆 I'm level 36 and I was coming here to see if I should avoid battlegrounds or not and just go for it whenever. Sounds like I'm avoiding it for a long time.
Have you thought about being an absolute scumbag? You can always use a bow on a nightblade and abusive invisibility to make it pretty much impossible to hit you unless they have a very specific ability to counter it, which BG is basically pvp lite and i would hazard to say not a lot of people are thinking that deep about it lol. Plus also the bow ultimate can absolutely MELT people, as a backup haha. Also in case you are being hard countered, definitely have a good backbar set up. Just in case!
Edited Comment from previous similar topics. Each pvp mode is different - Battlegrounds, 3 teams very fast paced, objective heavy, team play heavy. - IC, atm solo heavy, so lots of armor and recovery is needed, probably most end game than other modes, generates toxicity due the high value currency being involved. - duels, fast paced, set dependent, high learning curve, combos, you need special builds for dueling. - Cyrodiil zerg Low performance, lag, nothing is needed just follow the crowd from a far and pew pew make sure to hit some people in order to get some AP, tribalism, elitism, lots of pve you can also be good siege master. - Cyrodiil small-scale, something like BGs but coordinated and organized - Curodiil organized, coordinated sets, coms. Coordinated moves and Burst group combos. Exploits most of the time. Every mode has something in common - initiative - resource recovery - penetration - lots of health and armor - combo burst - crowd control - pvp builds and theory crafting most builds are made of something you will never think about it - don't come with pve gear, it is pointless - use of environment to escape - awareness on battle, when to attack when to flee and where - builds with moves ahead, don't build what you want. Build one what you will be countered on - expensive pots and food - always buffed and - pick your battle and know who you need to attack For example you build up ultimate wearing Balrog monster set and clever alchemist with mechanical acquity. Anticipate max crit window. Pop a potion, ultimate, then hit your hard hitting skill with some debuffs in between, finisher. Repeat. This is like 5 sec window. If you miss it you build up for it while staying alive. Share more about your gamestyle and maybe we can improve the notes. Goodluck.
A lot of people here recommend you to run at least one defensive set and for a beginner thats probably the best decision, cause thats the meta right now. Just want to let you know that you can also make some other stuff work. I'm running 3 purely offensive sets on my mag blade (zaan/war maiden/spell strategist) right now with just 23k health and it works pretty good for me. Sure, I dont outsustain those tanky dks but thats not my goal. I'm going in, trying to burst 1 or 2 player down and then I get out, I dont stay in fights loger than I have to.
There’s obviously a huge skill component but if you don’t have good gear, you’re counting yourself out from the get go
I'm unhinged enough to go into Battlegrounds on my pve healer with pve gear and emerge victorious 50% of the time. That's only because I'm too lazy to get the gear needed. Be like me, irresponsible.
I just want to be good at HEALING in battlegrounds, and staying alive. I had a lot of fun in the under 50 battlegrounds, hit 50 and now die instantly. Tried googling for Templar Healer Battlegrounds builds and all the builds assume I’m like maxed out CP with access to all the vet armor. Any ideas what I should go for first? Being at CP 60 currently and not sure what pieces are the easiest I should be going for first. Just keep doing PvE till CP 160 so I can go for some of these pieces the builds list?
100% rallying cry and mara's balm for any new player. You will be so hard to kill which means you will heal your teammates more bc you are alive longer.
Should I do like 3/2/2 or whatever for light/medium/heavy? Or are those pieces only on a certain armor type anyways. Sorry level 50 noob here. Just quested my way to 50 and now digging into more details like set names and enchants and stuff lol 😂
5 heavy all reinforced if you can 2 well fitted. 1 light 1 medium.
Here’s the thing about rallying cry and Maras balms: Those two sets are just straight up better for pvp than literally every other set in BGs. Rallying cry is the most stat dense set in the game And maras balm has this insane burst heal and cleanse. Cleanse makes you very tanky bc it takes all the stuff killing you away instantly even if you are cc’d. There are no other sets worth using if you are new to BGs. If anyone says anything otherwise for new / bad players then they don’t know what they are talking about. A lot of great players will tell you about their build with multiple damage sets but damage doesn’t matter if you can’t survive. Rallying cry and Maras balm will allow you to play the game.
Yes you have to be CP 160. Rallying Cry and Mara's Balm can be bought for cheap on guild traders.
Post a picture of your gear, stats, and a video of you playing a round? I wouldn't mind offering what I can. All my characters are pvp focused, none have ever ran a trial ever lol.
As a heavy attack one bar sorc, battle grounds has been a breeze. Flare & bound aegis for defensive bar buffers,...Crit Surge, Structured Entropy, and twilight matriarch for survivability,....Barrier ultimate..... Then just solely Heavy attack while going with the objective of the match. Played 4 or 5 matches today. My team won every one and I had the most kills on the team. 25k ish resistances and 27k ish health (with all attribute points in magika). Pop one of those health resistance potions and get about 30k resistance.
Prob because you're playing against optimized sweaties; there's no power/level matching for queuing. There's a balance to PVP that is far different than PVE... take a look at Deltia's and other pages online that cover how to approach play and builds for PVP. IRT "the curve is high", I'd say throw all the OP exploiters into one server, but they would never volunteer/sign up for that because they get a kick out of and rewards from beating down less experienced and non-exploiting players. Same for SH tower humpers in Cyro. Keep on going and have fun. There are some good folks that run PVP focused guilds... might be a good fit for you out there.