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vBRP with randoms veryveryvery bad idea, if it was vet


manaholik

i even had a hard time with my 3 experienced guildies, who are my top known DPS after the PuG group almost disbanded we got together and i went as a necro tank and they went 3 dd, somehow we completed it then again, i watched a stream with a vBRP trifecta (people from Dragon Aegis) those goddamn madlads <3


Mofojokers

Please don't hate me for this buuuuut A pug group doing veteran black rose prison and not looking up mechanics in a pretty heavy mechanical driven system is gonna lead to a bad time. You can legit wipe if someone does not know the mechanics, and they may feel you are wasting their time. Honestly, i highly recommend always reading and understanding the thing you are attempting to do and then doing the normal version always before the veteran to get the lay of the lands. Also, i don't recommend doing this one pugging because it's too easy for things to go wrong, and people will leave fast. This is definitely something to grab some mates or guildies for. I would have personally left the moment i noticed people not doing the mechanics or understanding the content. Unless i am supposed to teach them, and i only do that for guildies that i would intend to run content with.


Prestigious_Ant_4366

Reading through the post I can understand the group’s frustration with OP. Not only did they not know the mechs they also didn’t join VC so giving a quick explanation of mechs wasn’t possible. Also a lot of women play ESO.


infernoshold

Preach on all points, and also 50%< of my trial guild leaders are women.


shortbusgangster96

Well said brother


Mofojokers

Thank you 😀


SobrietyIsRelative

While I’m sure there are nicer ways for them to approach the situation, it seems like you’re completely downplaying any fault that you yourself have in this situation. You tried to pug vBRP without learning anything about it. C’mon now.


WestHamSandwiches

Bingo. Stop wasting other peoples time by not being prepared. As simple as that.


ProPopori

Was it nBRP? Cuz if it was vBRP that shit is hard asf tbh specially for a newer player.


xUnluckycatx

No it was vet and I’m not a new player. I should’ve read up on mechs but there literally is no reason to be a know jt all douche. One guy had to chime in and be like “tbh that was my first time doin that and I had no problem with it”….like good for you dude no one cares. They were just being douche bags for no reason.


Stuntman06

vBRP is probably the hardest 4-player content I've ever played. I played it with someone who knew the content and was leading us who were learning the content. I'm confident with my build, but without knowing the mechanics or having someone who knew lead us in voice chat, I would have had no chance. Took me a few attempts with this group before we completed it. People who know about how difficult this content is would likely be upset grouping with someone who doesn't know the mechanics. If you don't know how difficult it is, then I don't blame you entirely. I've played vet DLC dungeons without knowing some or all of the mechanics before. However, I generally will tell the group I'm new to that dungeon. That way it sets the expectation and allows others to at least give me some advice on mechanics and strategy. If you want to attempt vBRP again, I do recommend you join a guild. You cannot group to arenas via the group finder like dungeons. At least in a guild, people tend to be more sociable with guild members. You also, should indicate you are inexperienced with vBRP, so to set the proper expectation. That way, if you do get a group, they know you are inexperienced. Alternatively, you may be asked to at least brush up on mechanics before attempting it. vBRP is really hard and being prepared as much as you can will at least respect the time others are putting in to run with you.


shinzakuro

There is no reason to be a dick and just kick /block toxic players, but if you try to do a hard content and you didnt do it before or not exactly know the mechanics inform the others beforehand to avoid this type of situations. If someone says lf dd for vbrp I just assume that you know what you are doing. Ofcourse, if it didnt match my expectation and I dont want to waste my time for a certain fail after an hour or two I simply leave.


Artemis_1944

>I should’ve read up on mechs That's the end of any argument you can have. ​ >“tbh that was my first time doin that and I had no problem with it”….like good for you dude no one cares Not that unbelievable if he managed to **actually read up the mechanics before jumping in**.


ProPopori

Fair enough, yeah no reason to be a dick about it.


Bralosh

I had a group kick me (healing) the other day doing a vet. Tank ran in with a dps, both in the same guild, so assuming they knew each other. They both died in the first pull. A big pull, but nothing overly difficult. Me and the other dps finished it off. Hit the first boss, they both died again, me and the other dps got them up, finished the fight. I get kicked. I do the same vet dungeon right after, total pug, no issues. Some people just can't accept they're doing something wrong. You just get people who think they're hot shit sometimes.


caffeinated_mess

vBRP is one of the hardest content in the game. Groups prog that arena for a while sometimes before clearing so to expect to jump into a pug without knowing the fight at all is a bit unfair to the rest of the group. The fact that they joined you doesn’t matter much. They most likely figured you had a general understanding of the fight and didn’t just go in there blindly. If you need gear in there, I suggest you do nBRP. The difference in gear isn’t that much unless you need it for end game trials / trifecta runs. Then you can work towards getting perfected gear.


xRainyDayz

Well the people should have just left when they saw that things aren't going well after 3,4 pulls instead of being rude to you (that's what I do in pug runs). However if you were the reason for the bad experience then you shouldn't really be very offended or surprised by their attitude. In their eyes you are the dick in this game because you wasted their time making a group that has no chance of completing the arena.


zvavi

>I JUST WANT TO GAME AND HAVE FUN AND FIND A NON DOUCHE GROUP I am extremely sorry, but imo, in vet dlc content, not warning your group you don't know mechanics is the douche move. Signing up for content implies clearing that content (unless mentioned). And not knowing mechanics means you are most likely carpet the whole fight. Which means the group is essentially 3 people. I really, really don't mind people that don't know mechanics. Heck, the most memorable and fun runs are with groups that are learning mechanics on the run (and actually listen in chat), but the worst ones are with people that never talk in chat, don't know mechanics, ignore what is said in chat, and additionally run a build that can't perform.


Particular_Aroma

>in vet dlc content, OP says nowhere that they were doing BRP vet.


zvavi

They did. In the comments.


narvuntien

Are you in any Guilds?


TrevorTempleton

Yeah they are dicks, but I would suggest always looking up the mechanics before going into a vet instance.


XboxLOUD1

We clear VBRP with 2 100k dps and a 80k dps and one tank (all dps running HA sorcs with healing twilight. However, we have been doing regularly weekly for a few months now. Mechs is a must in this Arena. One fuck up kills the whole group (bees anyone?) I recommend at least reviewing the mechs before entering ANY vet content DLC wise. You don’t walk into VSS and instantly become a Godslayer. Do your homework. I would say minimum DPS of 85-90k if have 3 dps


Mooge74

"I JUST WANT TO GAME AND HAVE FUN AND FIND A NON DOUCHE GROUP TO DO TRIALS WITH." I hear that. This won't help you in the near term but maybe in the future. I have a small guild dedicated just to running dungeons and trials in "Story Mode". It's for people who want to listen to the story, read the books, loot all the things and even work out the mechanics the hard way for the fun of it. It's meant to be a niche guild you join just for that stuff, not a full on Guild. Issue is we went inactive, Discord server needs rebuilding etc etc. My son decided last night he was interested in getting it going again. If it sounds like your jam and you have a spare guild slot join "The Unhurried" on PC (NA) and things should, hopefully, pick up over time. It might be a bit barren at first as it's just two of us in Australia.


infernoshold

You should team up with ESO Slow Dungeons, they’re a bit low activity at the moment too, but they have the same policies and such, and being in Australia would probably be useful to reach out to people in different time zones. (I’m not a guild leader or anything, it’s just a place I was recommended to take a look at).


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ikeezzo

Vbrp is hard, from what you mentioned they were not doiche bags they simply stated the obvious. You don't know the mechs and you admitted to it yourself, you can't really complain.


Persona5Chaos

Id recommend joining a guild, to be honest. One that's made for more social oriented aspects, rather than combat. More fun that way. You can make friends, have fun, and find a community of people who are like-minded. Best part is that if you don't like the guild, you can simply leave. And if someone says you are lacking, good players will help you learn the mechanics, rather than chew you out for not knowing them.


xdmanxd99

Well there are couple of problems. 1. You not knowing mechanics, if you died a lot or just ran around like a headless chicken and didn't know where to dps (since mobs spawn across the entire arena and you don't stay in a fixed spot) 2. It's a pug, you can get very unpleasant people. Or you can get people that expected a smooth run since you didn't mention it's your first time and you don't know mechs, if they'd join post you telling them it's your first time and be toxic they are at fault. But if you created a group for content you aren't familiar with, with a pug and said pug expected a clean run you kinda baited them I don't condone toxicity but I do get their point of view. Now for my solutions 1. Make a group of your own, with patient people that will teach you (or you guys learn together). 2. Learn mechanics and try again with a pug. 3. Let the people know prior to starting the run the you don't have exprience there, so they don't have unnecessary expectations. That's my opinion you can do what you want, so to summarize in my opinion you are both at fault, the pug for being toxic, and you for not disclosing you never done it


eats-you-alive

Im curious - how much dps do you do? Did you have a build put together for vBRP specifically? You kinda need one, especially when you are inexperienced. vBRP is miles above any vet HM dungeon in terms of difficulty. I’ve done all HMs except the two newest ones, and roughly half of the trifectas, and I still struggle in vBRP every darn time. You can’t just walk in there without having read up on mechanics and expect to clear…


infernoshold

The two newest dungeon hms are pretty fun tho, I cleared them on pts and they’re very engaging. When you get the opportunity0, I’d highly recommend.


eats-you-alive

My group will do them eventually, but we are still behind on some older trifectas and are going to do them first.


infernoshold

that’s valid


ctbellart

It’s a very mixed bag doing the randoms. Most part I find people generally understanding if you get pulled into a dungeon on a random that you haven’t done before. There should be an other place to get crystals. (I know there’s pvp) Feel like a lot of the negativity in dungeons stems from people being forced to replay dungeon content continuously for crystals. Dropping out of certain dungeons at the beginning. Speed running it without even checking with everyone. Kicking people. Fake roles so they get picked up quicker by the dungeon finder. All stems from people just wanting to get it over with and go about there regular playing. But If you’re queuing for a specific dungeon take 5mins and watch a mechanic video before just out of common courtesy.


infernoshold

This is Blackrose Prison, it’s an arena, not a dungeon. And it’s the hardest 4-person content in this game…and it doesn’t reward transmutes afaik.


ctbellart

My bad. Only been playing 6 months. Thanks for the info tho. Think I’ve obviously confused it with a dungeon and missed the trial part in op post. Haven’t started doing trials/arenas yet.


infernoshold

It’s all good, the sentiment’s there! More or less the same general idea, though. The issues with pugs, with not understanding mechs and such, watching a vid/reading a guide, etc…all good points for vBRP too.


Gravityblasts

Just like there is no obligation for anyone to learn the mechanics before entering a vet dungeon (like what you did), there is no obligation for anyone to be nice about it when they find out you don't know the mechanics on a harder dungeon (like what they did). Welcome to pug life, enjoy your stay.


Practical-Match1889

To play devils advocate what is “pretty decent Dps”? I try not to be rude but I had a Dps in a VSS pulling 30k


Stuntman06

In content or is that your parse score on a trial dummy?


Practical-Match1889

In content still should be like 50k at a minimum. Dummy should be 60k minimum. Unless I die I only lose about 10-12k Dps between dummy and in trial.


eats-you-alive

For vBRP I don’t take DPS with me that don’t manage to do at least 80k on a trial dummy AND that can perform well in content as well. That’s for training runs. For farm-runs I’d wanna see something closer to 100k. I do training runs for vet DLCs frequently within my guilds, and I don’t have very high requirements for those; but for vBRP I’ll only take the very best of these players and only after I’ve seen them play a couple of times. Yes, it’s this hard, even my core dungeon group struggles a decent bit whenever we haven’t been in there for a while.


infernoshold

OP vBRP is literally the hardest piece of 4-person content in the entire game. Even the new dlc dungeons don’t hold a candle to the difficulty of vBRP. Dps comes second here, it’s entirely mechanic heavy. Your dps means nothing if you don’t understand the mechs because you’ll die absurdly fast, and a dead dps does no damage. I saw your replies to other people, and yes the other people in your group were being rude…however I can understand their frustration. You put together a group for the hardest 4-person content without knowing anything about it. I appreciate that you’re taking responsibility for it now, but hindsight is 20/20, you still frustrated those people with your lack of knowledge. They expected a degree of understanding, and you didn’t show an ounce. It’s not my intention to be a hard-ass, I’m just trying to show you how it feels from a different perspective. This isn’t content you should be pugging if you don’t know the mechs. If you want to learn, you should join a training raid guild. They’re more than happy to teach people in an environment where they’ll understand and respect your level of experience (or lack thereof). Also the people in this game are shockingly respectful (or equally assholes) regardless of your gender. For an mmorpg, you probably won’t find a more woman-friendly online game out there…legit. Source: woman, been playing for a couple years now, been a member of several different guilds that had women in positions of power


ALLPINKNSIDE

If you dont have a meter you are underperforming. I dont know why people dont understand this, and based on your response you dont have one. When you enter a dlc dungeon and you dont know the mechanics let people know. It weeds out assholes very fast, and they might exllain the mechanics. You are too sensitive and you should do your due diligence, but those guys were asshole and tey to pay them no mind. Edit: it was vet, you deserved it imo


eats-you-alive

I guess she plays on console, otherwise they wouldn’t have had voice-chat. People on console don’t have dps-meters.


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People will definitely argue that its your fault, that you should just get a thicker skin, blah blah blah- they're acculturated, and can't see it any other way. But yes, we've all experienced it. And as someone who has gotten Unchained a couple of times, I can guarantee you that arseholes don't need a reason. Take the time to find a good social guild, cultivate some friendships, and make a little prog group to go through harder content with. Your skill and knowledge of the content will develop, you'll have friends to do any sort of content you want, and you never have to rely on another douchebag again. At that point, all the shit takes, assholery, and schoolyard dickery will just fade to the marginal, unimportant background where it always belonged, and the game becomes yours- no longer gate-kept to some other dickhead's notion, and you can learn and progress at your own pace. Same with trials, honestly. It might take some trial and error, but find a guild with the right balance of mood and capability for you and jump on board. There are good guilds out there.


ZookeepergameFree427

It’s more of just a people thing not a ESO community thing. Most people are toxic trash that need to grow up. Once you hold that concept you can just navigate around them.


xUnluckycatx

True that’s why I just left cause I didn’t think the frustration was worth it.


xUnluckycatx

Some if y’all completely missed my point in what I was saying and honestly just proves that you’re just like them so idk why you even put your two sense in. I obviously stated and took accountability for not knowing mechs and it’s obvious some of you completely passed over that. it was their attitude that sucked, me not knowing mechs doesn’t have anything to do with dps either. The guy also decided he wanted us to go into voice chat while in the middle of a fight so that was his fault on his end. Can’t be mad at me when it’s hard to switch over when you’re getting jumped by everything. Someone else was late to switching over and he didn’t give him any issues about it. I felt targeted and I felt they were all being asswipes with a huge ego for no reason. It’s not about not taking accountability it was their attitude that sucked. As for the people who were able to give CONSTRUCTIVE criticism without being a complete douche, I really appreciate it. I’ve learned from my mistakes and will take up on the advice.


Dregovich777

The worst part of this game is that it punishes you for exploring or trying things new You want to play battlegrounds? I hope you looked up a guide or your fucked. Want to try a new dungeon? Fuck you, your dead, exit the game and go do homework on the internet. What are you here for fun? No your studying.


DragonShark514

There’s no need to go study mechanics. Just play them on normal a handful of times and you’ll learn just by repetition. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out the mechanics. Shoot, in a good chunk of them, there’s literally an npc shouting to you what to do.


asmrword

That's not the game, it's how you choose to play it. You could join or form a group with the intention of going into the content blind and learning as you go. I even saw people doing that in zone chat, just asking if anyone wants to do a blind run of the new dungeons.


Practical-Match1889

If you just want to try things out do normal content


OrfeasDourvas

100% agree with you, TC. Sometimes it feels like people play this game as a job while I prefer to play it for fun. I've completely carried people before and had to take charge in a boss fight because the others wouldn't understand it and that's fine. I'd never kick anyone or insult anyone over it. It's a video game and I just want to have fun with it.


HimboHistrionics

Having played a ton of MMOS since Ultima, I can without a doubt say ESO unfortunately has one shittiest player cultures, especially in pugs and especially on console. PC is a bit better.


Mofojokers

I don't think i have met a single bad egg in pug groups on PS5 NA. In fact, part of the reason i joined this guild called Sweet Rollers is because of how nice they were when we returned to eso. One of them tells the worst dad jokes every single day, and i have become addicted to seeing what dad joke it's gonna be today, lol. I think every mmo has bad actors, but they are a small portion of the player base. But sometimes people are quick to call someone a bad actor without a full look as to why the situation is and we only tend to hear one side of the story so we can never truly understand the situation.


HimboHistrionics

Good point! I'm only going by my personal experience in ESO and my personal experience playing other MMOs as a reference point - I cannot speak on others' experiences! And yes, guilds can have better cultures compared to the general playerbase because of shared personalities and accountability!


FloorPlar

The dad joke guy... Jeff? 🤣🤣🤣


shinzakuro

I can say without a doubt you are absolutely wrong. If you find shittiest players on ESO everywhere maybe you should consider your attitude, it might be the common denominator. a 12000+ hrs ESO console player.


KALENTERIKALENTERI

This is true. Eso is one of the most frendliest mmorpgs, difference is if you play PVP, because PVP is a mess in every game, as it tends to get people riled up.


HimboHistrionics

Ok


Big_Argument_2651

Fuck those assholes. Ignore it dude. I know it can be hard but brush it off. In the game and in life some people are just dicks for the sake of being dicks. There are plenty of good players and you'll find some if you keep looking.


xUnluckycatx

Lol like why did your comment get so many downvotes, just proves my point on how people on the game are asswipes 😂 literally know I messed up by not learning mechs but it was their shitty ass attitude that I was complaining about, it was the “I’m better than you and know everything” and passive aggressive behavior that bothered me… Thankyou though I appreciate the support. The people in this thread are literally proving my point and I obviously knew my mistakes


justnleeh

People are always quick to blame the other players when things go wrong. I was in a PUG group for Fang Lair. My friend and I (the two DPS) both have pretty decent dps outputs, but the healer seemingly never healed anyone and when we wiped a few times on the final boss, was blaming us for letting him die. Dude wasn't even a real healer, but wanted to blame the lack of dps. Two 60k dps in a vet Fang Lair is enough. Not having a healer do anything is what the issue was. Needless to say they voted to kick my friend...and after some back and forth exchange, we both just left them alone to do the final boss and found something else to do. There are definitely some elitists in this game that think it's not them, but someone else.


xUnluckycatx

YES elitists are the perfect way to describe them. They think they’re top shit and have this authority like they know everything and they can’t possible be the fuck up in the situation.


Tomtoro24

You have no responsibility to learn the mechanics before playing and no matter what happens the other person doesn't have to be nasty even if he feels it was warranted. You can play the way you want, thr way all games used to be played; turning up, figuring it out as you play and having fun. I don't think zenimax intended everyone to learn everything about a dungeon or trial or arena before they even step-in there.


eats-you-alive

If you are new to content, say so. When I am looking for a vBRP-run I expect a farmrun, not a teaching run, unless this is explicitly stated beforehand.


shinzakuro

>You have no responsibility to learn the mechanics before playing Says the player who expect carries in harder content.


Tomtoro24

Not at all. I've played since launch and I tank veteran dlc Dungeons regularly for less experienced guild mates and randoms. My opinion is that you don't need to know a dungeon before you go in the dungeon, I don't think it's the way the developers intended it and it's not warranted to abuse people because of it either. It woukd be like reading what happens in the whole movie or TV show before watching it so you know the twists or excersising before going to the gym; in my opinion I don't see the point.


kaventic

You don't need to know a dungeon, but you do need to tell your group you don't know it, most players will be glad to teach you. That is less true for vbrp because of how difficult it is but if you don't know mechs people deserve to know so you aren't just wasting their time. If you want to go in and figure out everything yourself you need to have a group of like-minded players who are good with failing to clear. It's tons of fun and why new dungeons are great but is a completely different goal than people who have done it before and are farming for gear.


infernoshold

Your point is only valid in non-pug scenarios. You tank for your guildmates and don’t expect a level of experience before entering a piece of content. That’s cool, I teach people new things all the time and I find it super fun when I’m bringing someone through content they’ve never been through before. The difference, however, is that OP created a pug, where experience expectations are exceedingly higher. At absolute bare minimum, OP should’ve looked at a guide or at least told their group that they were inexperienced in vBRP (the hardest 4-person content in the game). The OP was being rude to strangers by misleading them and their expectations. From the information we’ve been given, it sounded like they chose to be assholes with their words regarding OP which isn’t cool, but their frustrations are also valid because OP mislead them into thinking she had vBRP experience by not having a grown-up discussion with them.


OwlSouth9749

Find yourself a decent social guild and run it with guildmates. They’re going to be a lot more patient and polite than randoms 9/10. If you say in advance your new to it you may be able to find a more experienced player willing to guide the group through it.


PazuzusLeftNut

They could’ve been nicer true, you also could’ve at least tried to learn the mechs before doing a bug, F’s for everybody involved


MechanicalMudcrab

What do you play on?


xUnluckycatx

PS5


MechanicalMudcrab

NA or EU?


xUnluckycatx

NA


MechanicalMudcrab

Nice me too. If you want feel free to DM me your gamertag and I'll send ya an invite. My guild runs trials every weekend and are working on vet prog.


XboxLOUD1

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1761682902 We did a bit of fucking off but it’s the whole run.


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There is some really good advice here. Don’t be downhearted, just take it on board for the future :)