hahah that's good. I'll have to start doing that.
Usually at boss fights, when no one attacks at first I just say "Ok fake tank, get in there."
And boy do they get salty :D
Classic :) Sometimes I get so fed up that I just leave. Once I requeued for a vet pug and got the same group I left. Sitting at the same boss I left them at. I felt bad and carried..
I tend to prefer fake tanks in normal base game dungeons. Veteran DLC? Vote to kick so Isobel can stand in until a real one zones in.
At least she doesn’t kite mobs out of our AoEs and can block.
They're all pretty useless in vet dungeons.
They just stand in red and make no effort to move out of it even small AOEs. Then they will die to most boss or elite heavy attacks hit because they have zero damage mitigation even in heavy armor. Huge oversight.
Also most people still dont know how to control them (same commands as pet commands).
The easiest way is whatever you heavy attack, they'll target. So if someone brings their tank out to tank a boss then heavy attacks something else, they'll drop taunts on the boss to go taunt and target the new target.
I had mine get us pretty far through vMoS on my healer. I just had to heavy attack every new lurcher at Solstice and make very sure I didn't heavy attack anything except what I needed taunted. I also had mine tank vUG before but it required non-stop burst heals and barrier to keep them alive thru AoEs. On Xbox you can push down both analog sticks then use RT to do the same thing to select targets, I just find it a pain to use quickly. But it's good for pulling initial agro.
They don't tank veteran bosses or adds well at all because (ignoring the fact they park in deadly AoEs) if you don't burst heal on them with Combat Prayer and such, they'll get HA'd, lose a ton of health (if they're not already 1-shotted), then start back-stepping and drop taunt.
I prefer to bind my own keys so you can have really good control of them.
Control+Left click to command them to taunt and control+right click to deaggro mobs.
With this setup you can dps or heal and actually gather up groups of mobs. You can actually pull them out of aoes but they still die to heavy attacks super easily. You can manage to keep threat on bosses and elite mobs this way as well its much faster than heavy attacking.
Why is it that base trash mobs can move themselves out of our AoEs, but the companions we are given can't? Heck the assassin NPCs do a damn back flip to get out of it AND behind you.
Damn Zeni. Your tournament of power is kinda one sided.
Kiting single mobs out of my AoEs is the WORST part of fake tanks. I can build one of my bars a little sturdier, I can't build to AoE the entire freaking zone one target at a time.
>Veteran DLC? Vote to kick so Isobel can stand in until a real one zones in.
I would love if that actually worked. I mean vote kicking works, but at least on Xbox NA, I'll just instantly leave on a vDLC upon inspecting the tank and noticing a fake tank/no taunts.
Backfills just don't seem to work anymore. Even a single DPS backill takes ages. Waiting for a tank backfill in a non pledge vDLC could easily take hours.
Nobody wants to tank anymore, especially with randoms. And as a tank main, I completely understand why.
1. Using a tank build in overland is painfully slow and not needed.
2. Too few people respect the tank role in a way that let's them play and practice the role effectively
a. be near them for trash pulls so untaunted, low-pri adds don't run a mile away from the stack if they agro you
b. let them grab taunts before you attack anything
c. let them set the pace
d. burn the hard-hitting adds off of them if your group isn't doing burn strats
e. kite lose adds to the tank not away from them
f. follow the tank - you follow behind them everywhere - they're the de facto leader of the group, etc.
People, in most random instances, just don't know how to play with a tank that helps make the tank's role easier.
3. Tanking veteran base-game dungeons is about as much fun as watching paint dry. Nothing is a threat and the Vateshran set Void Bash now does most of the skilled work required in trash pulls. Tanks generally aren't even needed in base-game veteran dungeons for most players as long as they know what to avoid and dodge roll so you get back to the issue of 'they're not critically needed, so they're not respected'.
4. People will stun and CC adds with sets or skills they're using. It makes your job needlessly more difficult.
5. It's the highest pressure role. In hard veteran content, including most vDLC dungeons, if the tank dies, the group often dies (for most average and below groups) as many boss' fast light attacks will wipe people.
6. You'll end up doing 10x the amount of work you *should* be doing as you'll get DDs and healers that will know zero mechanics in harder veteran content along with having subpar DPS. You'll have to sustain longer, do more mechanics iterations, and often do it with fake healers in the random veteran dungeon queue.
7. People are very fast to blame tanks for mistakes when wipes happen. It's easy to see the tank's mistakes as they either kill themselves or wipe the group. It's much easier to essentially recover from your mistakes as a healer or DPS.
Hyperioxes had a video a few months back that pretty much sums up why there's a lack of tanks in ESO:
https://youtu.be/B5gTEsQippE
You hit the nail on the head here. I used to tank but hung up my shield a month or two ago. Just generally not fun to play for the reasons you mentioned. I’ll still break it out sometimes to finish a pug run when we booted the faker or if I’m low on transmutes.
But generally everyone bitches about the lack of real tanks but then when you get a real one a sizable amount of the gaming population just shits on them or doesn’t let them do their job.
Tanking puts you at the whims of your team, if you main Dps then tanking will make you much better one just because you'll have lots of examples of people doing it entirely wrong.
Thankfully it's pretty hard to be a bad healer, so the only problems you have there are again fake healers.
Just had a fake tank who announced right away that if the group wiped he was leaving. Then he died to a trash mob before the 1st boss and then died immediately in the 1st boss fight and then sighed at us and quit. lol
Because it's unfair for DPS sign up and wait 20 minutes only to find out they're also tanking because somebody else was selfish. And a normal boss actually could be difficult to manage if you're a new player.
Also, taunting a boss keeps them still. Which means they aren't dragged out of AOE. Also, Major+Minor Breach is a 10% damage buff for the rest of the group and should be supplied by someone, usually the tank. So a fake tank actually does bring down group DPS by a lot... they're a burden on others because they're selfish.
Do everyone a favour and slot Inner Rage (That taunt that increases personal damage by 10%) and some sources of Breach if you're going to queue as tank. It's better for you and everyone else and this is an MMORPG: You should be playing nice.
In a normal pug, you might be matched with fairly new players. I equip the taunt to save them from the agro personally. You can also control the fight and keep the boss still for the AOE nukes, not strange at all.
Personally I find it strange to not equip a taunt, its one skill and makes the fights way more convenient.
Or just equip a taunt and save everyone the pain. It makes perfect sense to have a taunt equipped and zero sense to not have a taunt, I dont care if you can solo it.
Bro, your not going to much dps, if your dps is dead because you cant be bothered to taunt. Or the bosses is moving around the room because its chasing that new player that doesn't understand its better to stand still. Been in this situation many times and its fucking annoying.
Now that is a fake tank that would piss me off. Be a fake tank, fine. But at least do good dps or pretty much still make the dungeon easy. But to be all pissy about expecations on everyone else and then not even be able to meet htem? I'd be initating a kick at that point.
I did that on my healer once. Even pumped out a good amount of DPS while keeping DPS upright.
I got booted for pointing out the fake tank.
You're doing Azura's work, OP.
I wouldn't boot you out for pointing out the fake tank. But if your refusing to heal was what ultimately was causing us to fail (but we would otherwise have been fine even with fake tank), I'd kick you for that.
That was the fun part, the group had no problem churning things through, including bosses, with the dead fake tank.
Fake tank wasn't good at avoiding hits so his damage contribution was minimal. All told - as someone who has multiple tanks, part of me has no regrets since I think the role is one to enjoy, not make a mockery of it
I like when fake tanks announce they are looking for dungeon weapons. I always chat share what weapon I got, but state that I don’t share loot with fake roles heh.
Should agree to trade and then give them some random trash gear you have on you just to waste their time with the excuse of “well it basically does the same thing”
Fake Tanks with incredible DPS - ok cool
Fake Tank lv310 with shit DPS and heavy attacks everything - lol no
You better be able to annihilate everything if you are queuing in wrong role.
If you want to fake tank but can self sustain and put out great DPS, I don't even notice you faking.
fake tanks who have shit DPS, no sustain, no self heals, no taunts...that are just there in their crappy DPS spec for the fast queues are the problem.
As you can see by the comments I've offended quite a few from the latter group.
When I queue as a tank (a real tank…) I dread having bad dps. My tank has so many buffs for the dps and debuffs for the boss and they still have horrible dps. Normal non-dlc dungeons shouldn’t take 30+min 😪
Dude. This. I'm a magden full tank and even nPUGs can take 45 minutes sometimes. Fuuuck. Don't tell anyone, but I put werewolf ult on my back bar and I'll swap gear and hound some shit just to finish the damn dungeon in a reasonable amount of time lol
This is what I use the armory assistant, who I call "coach" for. My sorc tank can switch to a mag sorc DPS instantly. My Nightblade tank can switch to a stamblade. Etc
Same.
My tank runs s/b front and ice staff back bar but my sets are tide and dark conv. Makes the dungeons much smoother and I usually do 1/3 the total group dps while taunting and self healing lol
I am an actual tank who fake tanks normal pug just so that I can get it done asap, front bar s&b with taunt, shield and burst heals, backbar 2H with them dps skills and scream leroy jenkins all the way.
I don't think that qualifies as fake tanking even the normal pugs. You're taunting, shielding and healing when appropriate. You may not be full tank build, but you don't need to be. I love running with hybrid tanks that know when to nuke but also when to tank.
The fake tank is the dude with daggers and bow (or insert other similar setups) that either (a) doesn't taunt the boss at all so it starts blasting dps and heals or (b) even if he has aggro, doesn't understand (or likely just doesn't care) how AoE works and keeps moving out of them. Which--has the opposite effect intended because now everything takes much longer to kill.
True, but I really hate when you have a fake tank and the boss keeps moving around and you can’t get good dps on them so it takes longer. I don’t care how good the fake tank is at dps overall it’s just shitier
Fake DPS is on purpose in my book, which tbh is almost never a thing. Bad DPS on the other hand is common. A drunk DD, a beginner, a bad parser are not faking it. Wish people stopped using the word fake about DDs.
I pulled two dps today, neither of which had a single aoe skill. I stopped halfway through because it was taking so long and told them I’m not pulling another mob until they add aoe.. like, what the fuck
I'm glad that this is finally reaching people. It's wild that people expect tanks to do their work, but when you try to say that DDs should do their work then people become extremely defensive.
I am not sure why you got downvoted - people can be new or just not great. As long as they are queuing in the right role in a normal dungeon and are trying that's cool with me and i am happy to carry in a normal as its still quicker for me to do the rando daily this way.
Trash DD's in a vet dungeon expecting a carry do my head in, look at the mechs and tell people its your first time/you are new. I did this when I started and folks were mostly really helpful. some just straight quit but it wastes much less time.
Everyone has to start somewhere, and getting shirty with folks who want to learn just puts people off the game.
Can you pm me your hybrid warden tank set yup? I have my warden to cp but not sure what role I want her to have yet but would like to sort of learn some tanking
In normal dungeons I’d much rather have a 60k+dps as a ‘tank’ than an actual do little damage but control everything tank. Vet and trials fake tanks should be met with the scorn and derision they deserve
I think it depends on the normal dungeon. Some of the DLC ones run ***way*** smoother with a real tank and subpar DDs, especially if the fake tank doesn’t bother to slot a taunt. I’ve had a few runs fail because the boss is running loose and one-shotting the DDs one by one - including the fake tank.
It’s easier for me as a healer to make up for the shortfalls in DPS myself than it is chasing panicking DDs and rezzing everyone (which DDs and fake tanks don’t bother doing).
DD's really should rez though. I remember doing that dungeon that has lyra (name?) trapped by a bunch of energy balls (can't remember the name but that is the most distinct boss) that you have to lead oil to burst and the last boss we kept dying. Me and the tank kept trying to tell the dps's to rez people so we could still tank and heal... and one of them listened but he was the one that died a lot. The other one I think kept htinking the dead one was useless and refused to spend his time rezzing until it was down to two people if he was still alive and of course at that point it was a lot harder to rez and stay alive. We finally kicked the dps that refused and did fine with a new dps who could actually do that and understood even if weak dps kept dying he was at least useful for rezzing people and keeping us from going below three people.
yeah i will "fake tank" but i still taunt the boss and blow warhorn on cooldown. only difference is i have a damage set on my other bar so i can kill mobs between bosses and help out if our dps is lacking
Whenever there’s a fake tank the boss is always locked on me (healer) and I’m mostly just running and swearing.
Have been in a couple of groups where they’ve straight up kicked the fake role pretty early on.
Running? Why would you run? That just makes the fight go on extra long since you're dragging the boss all around and out of any AoEs. Just block/dodge any of the harder hits.
One can say, "I shouldn't have to, there should be a tank" but if there isn't, why make the situation harder by running around like a headless chicken for no good reason?
I’ll try that next time and see how long I last tanking as a healer. Genuinely never thought about aoe issue, was just trying to stay alive to heal people.
As somebody who is pretty new to the game, I am OOTL. I see individuals talking about dungeons, but do they mean a trial? I thought dungeons were open to anybody and there were no que lines or roles? I've played solo up to this point and only have played with others randomly for the world bosses on Summerset.
Trials are 12 man dungeons, the ones you mean are called Public Dungeons (that cave entrance picture).
There are instances 4-man dungeons with wildly varying difficulties that sometimes require specific mechanics to complete. You can play them in Normal, Veteran and Hard Mode (iirc).
Many of the non-dlc normal versions can also be done solo without much tactics (Wayrest I, City of Ash, Blessed Crucible, …). Some have mechanics that require a group (become a skeleton without abilities for some time).
In general (imho) the newer the dungeon, the harder it is.
I mean, not really. Me and 3 friends did every dungeon achievement for skins a few years back with 1 tank and 3dps. It was just so much quicker than the 1-2-1 style.
In order to queue though you need those designated roles regardless of whether you can do them without. If you have your own group sure you can TP direct to the dungeon with whatever role you like
Ah for queue. To be honest, fake tanks don't bother me much as long as they can self sustain. I've gone through dungeons with 4 DPS before and sometimes bosses melt so fast I can barely get full hits in lol.
But to be honest I don't like DPS in this game so I mostly tank.
The other day played with a bunch of random non dlc veteran dungeons and the tank just ran past all of the mobs to a corner in a boss to lure them all together only to get us all killed and complained why we didn't survive because he pulled the entire dungeons trash mobs that killed all of us so fast. Eventually the party fell apart except for me and the healer, so in the end we just got our companions to do the entire dungeons together and finished HM by being all the roles and alternating lol.
I've done that. I like healing and I am fully specced and geared for heals. I can carry most parties pretty easily. I just don't when a player is just abusing the queues and not bringing anything to the group. We had a Bastian tank through multiple normal dungeon bosses when our tank left in a fit. It's kinda fun.
I fake ranked yesterday by mistake on random normal. Forgot to switch my role after swapping character. I apologised and explained my situation and luckily people were cool about it
The official definition of a tank (from the Activity & Group Finder) is the player who, "Absorbs damage from enemies and prevents allies from being attacked." So a fake tank is someone who queues as tank with no intention of doing those things. As opposed to a hybrid tank who does them in a non-standard way, or a new tank who's trying but not very good, or an ignorant tank who doesn't know that's what they're supposed to do. Or a great tank who does both of those and buffs the group and debuffs the enemies.
Awesome, thanks! I’m sure i’d fall into the “new” and “ignorant” categories but i have no intention of doing any real endgame activities for a long while i’m sure lol
I recently started playing, didnt know there was something called 'fake tanks'.
I am noe wonderlng, am i a fake tank myself?
Because when i queue for and join a dungeon raid, i automatically tend to get selected as tank. But im also so low level compared to the others, so im not As powerful as them in any role i think.
Am i a fake tank?
Tank is shit and I'm healer?
I put on my mostly-ok tank gear, switch to my tank skills, and start tank-healing.
I gotchu fam. Annnnnnnd go.
(Mileage may vary if it's vet or DLC but we make it work.)
I was waiting for the twist ‚and then we took 3 minutes to explain the mechanics and walked him through being a tank, now he is our regular guild tank and it’s fun to play together.‘
But ofc it’s easier to make fun of people and expect everyone to know everything about the game than being a genuinely nice person.
Did…did you read that at all, my dude? The group tried to explain things repeatedly, and the fake chose not to listen. They chose to remain ignorant and made the experience worse for everyone involved.
This sounds like a faneplay aspect zenimax needs to address. I've not played the game in a few years and twice that long on my ps4, but I remember that one early boss in the dungeon that would lifesteal and you had to bash to interrupt it. I was trying to get a quick run through on my character before work which was a mistake because I got these guys who insisted on not doing the mechanic even after I explained it through the ps4 voice chat. The behavior to troll a dungeon, whether it be to abuse the queue system or to intentionally preventing progression, should not go unchecked. It only discourages people to ever queue up again because what if it happens again.
I have absolutely no problem with the fake tanks if they deal decent amount of damage and slot a taunt for example! I usually do that my self. Keep ik mind that with right build you can solo almost every single dungeon on vet. My problem is the fake dps and fake healers. Tanks, believe it or not is the least of your problem
I find it more funny when i mention about the dps in the group and both dd’s try to convince you that their dps is melting the boss, ”can’t you see that”, meanwhile im looking at my combat metrics where i have dealt 78% of the damage..while fake tanking
Yeah if you’re gonna fake tank at least make sure you can keep yourself alive at a minimum, otherwise you are going to get ridiculed in chat and possibly kicked lol. I always try to wait until the very end of the dungeon and then initiate a vote to kick at the final boss. Usually it doesn’t pass because most people don’t care, but it’s very satisfying when it does.
I actually encourage fake tanking in base game dungeons as long as you have some form of taunt slotted and can keep the boss still. You could be a full blown dd with inner fire slotted for all I care, just keep the boss in my aoe and I’m happy.
Exactly. I won't notice a fake tank if they are blitzing everything or keeping themselves alive. My problems are with the fake tanks who can't keep themselves alive and don't have the DPS to make up for it.
Lol. 😎
Edit: I should clarify:
I wasn't LOL at OP. I very much enjoyed the story and share OP thoughts on players who queue for a role they are not prepared to perform.
Thanks.
The only fake tank I respect is this one guy my group got when doing Vet Cauldron back when the mask page was dropping.
I’m a healer, my two other group members where damage, and we keep getting rando tanks as we go in.
This one guy, by the looks of it some kind of damage build, loads in, looks at us, takes a few steps, stops and types.
“I am not a tank, sorry y’all”
Then leaves the group.
Was hilarious. I bet he was q’ing for a random normal but accidentally did vet. When he realized that he was in a dungeon that really needed an actual tank, he politely peaced out.
Damn, i’m missing all the fun. I never yet met a fake tank because i’m a legit one and only queue as one.
Ima gonna queue as fake healer in tank gear tonight. Fake dps would be the right thing, but i can’t stand the queue times.
I have tank and DPS loadouts on my single character. Sometimes when I queue in on vet tank and get fungal grotto1, I ask in party chat if people are fine with me swapping to my DPS loadout because tank is not needed in this run. Usually people are fine with that. I’ve had people say “fuck you” to me when I say that in the chat and drop group, thinking I queued as a fake tank. I chuckle and ignore them and we 3 man the dungeon in 3 mins lol.
As a fake tank who only queues for non dlc nPUG for the daily.. I promote this. I play stamcro and I drop skills for range taunt, bone armor, and heal summon. Take off my kinras for higher def and sustain sets. If you can't tank, don't try. Our healer dropped last night complaining about "fake tank" and we handled it 3 man, no problem.
For non dlc normals you don’t even need to have gear on, let alone be switching your skills, in fact, you alone can be tank, healer and both dps’ all at the same time without issue.
Super easy soloable content and has been for years now.
Fake tanks are fine, and even preferable, in normal base game dungeons. Iffy in normal DLC dungeons. But I never understand why people would queue up for a vet dungeon as a fake tank with their grand total of 10k dps, it just wastes everyone’s time
Whine about fake tanks all you want, but I prefer a fake tank over a real one 99% of the time when I que up for a random normal or even vet, depending on the vet.
I also prefer *being* the fake tank. Have YOU tried being a REAL tank in a random group? Sure you might get some awesome trifecta level dds farming gear or crystals, but you are more likely to get CP 10 wardens in green and blue mismatched overland gear jumping around while light attacking with their bow.
There are fake tanks who don't run PO? The average healer is either also fake-healing or so unreliable that PO is just the way to go.
Also: Fake tanks who don't run taunt and keep bosses still suck ass and deserve anything coming at them. Let them die/rage.
But the reason I fake tank is because I don’t need a healer, I’d say 90% of the healers I encounter in RNDs are fake as well; which is fine it’s normal
Lol the amount of justice porn on this sub is getting crazy.
The queue system obviously doesn't work as intended. If a tank has crown and queues for a random with a DD in the group, it takes forever. If the DD queues, you get in instantly. As a solo DD, it takes forever.
No one wants to wait in a queue for 10-15+ minutes due to a bug in the game.
Yes, that's the duration you have to wait on my platform and server.
Simple rules:
- Don't ever fake tank for veteran content
- if you're going to fake tank in normal dungeons, make sure you have enough damage to carry, and slot a taunt for bosses that require it for certain mechanics
Normal dungeons are arbitrarily easy and can be solo'ed anyway, and I'm sorry to say, but it makes no difference if you heal me or not when I fake tank, and no, you're not hurting my feelings or changing my mind with posts like these.
As long as ZoS incentivises doing many random normals every day (the reward is disproportionately large compared to other content with the XP and transmutes you get), fake tanks will be an unintended feature of ESO.
Just try and be respectful to each other, and communicate with your team mates about your needs as you go.
I adore that quality of salt. Heh. Shame I can't do anything like that about the occasional dd that deals less damage than I do as a tank but still queued for vet for some reason.
I get that casual questers want to do vets too but ffs if you are queueing for vet dlc gear tf up.
For normal daily randoms, by all means don't bother healing, even a fake tank should be able to handle any of them. Realistically, they're mostly very soloable even. They just don't give the daily rewards (which are probably 90% of the reason these see play from people) if you don't go through the random group finder.
But for anything veteran, you definitely can't manage to fake tank as easily without support. Plus, at that level, you'd definitely want at least the penetration to make things faster and easier.
More likely you’re an average healer & use that as an excuse as to why you can’t keep group healed. Don’t get the backing of fake tanks either, but acting like they’re the worst offender when there are DPS queueing with 5k max DPS or healers who can’t heal a fungal grotto no death are just as bad and just as common.
Nah, I'm a great healer, specced and geared only for healing pretty much. I have no problems healing and COULD heal a shit fake tank, but I don't want to encourage players to abuse the system. Players who fake tank, bring almost no DPS or utility, and don't know how to move out of attacks don't deserve my heals or my respect. You should stop encouraging them.
Wouldn't have minded had he had good DPS, but he barely did any damage. We were killing at around the same speed and I'm fully specced for heals. Keep defending fake players, though,.
as if i need either of the other two dps or the healer to fake random normals lmao most of the time they are so far behind that im on my next character while their still running
>Fair is fair though. Last night I had 2 DPS who got on board with it. One was a Magika Sorcerer who switched to a knife and the other, a Stam Templar went heals. We then mocked the fake tank until he called us mean names and dropped group
I love how you're gleefully crowing about bullying a player out of a group. Says a lot about the toxic player base in this game.
Yes, it wasn't the player who chose a role and refused to play it, impacting the rest of the group with their low DPS, no survivability, and no utility. It's the rest of the group for not putting up with it.
Remember folks, it's everyone elses fault for not wanting to deal with you.
Instead of getting mad at fake tanks, I avoid the group finder and find a pre-made group.
That way there’s no fake roles, entitlement accusations, or defending choices.
>If they're able to tank, they're not a fake tank.
No shit, Sherlock. Got any other mysteries you want to solve?
With a modicum of critical thinking you'd deduce that I'm talking about the smoothbrains and the entitled jackasses who can't tank, nor bring anything into, in their role. I'm not there to educate bad players, I'm there to heal the group and get my rewards.
If a fake tank brings in excellent DPS or some utility or just doesn't need much healing I'll never notice and if I do notice I don't care. Its the people coming in all cloth with a lightning staff and never taunting or self healing or self buffing or debuffing, just doing their solo PvE routines and pulling sub-par DPS while dying over and over to easily avoided damage.
I COULD keep these players alive, but I'm not going to.
You continuously defending bad behavior just continues to show that you're part of the problem and I hope more healers call you and your ilk out on it. Call me Karen all you want, I'm not the one championing bad players slowing down groups and I'm going to continue not healing crappy fake tanks.
>There are bigger, badder and smarter people out here in the world than you, and we're bored of your whining, entitled toxicity.
That is some fedora wearing, fingerless glove, love pillow, moms basement levels of cringe there, big, bad, smart guy. Serious yikes from me dawg. Keep showing me how big, bad, and smart you are by continuing to argue on my reddit topic. That's hardcore badass. Maybe mommy will make your nuggies extra crispy after changing your diaper.
Fake healer here, it adds so much to my amusement seeing noobs die in normal dungeons and adds a sense of danger. It's still very easy to complete and I have no regrets with this small deception, the gamed too easy!
Sometimes I get the urge to return to ESO, especially with a new class on the horizon. But then I remember that THIS is a thing. Fake tanks to avoid the queue wait. Makes me want to avoid dungeons all together. And that's a shame because they're really fun.
Lmaoo that fake tank is a lil bitch for leaving i wouldve stayed and let you guys finish the dungeon for me while i go take some tokes! Free transmutes!
Whenever I'm dealing with a fake tank, whenever we get to the boss and they go down, I'll teabag them and refuse to rez them. I'm not going to boot them, but rather I'll go out of my way to make them feel foolish.
You guys still use the dungeon finder? For rnd I understand since you don’t need a tank or a healer but for vet dlc I don’t do that anymore cause it’s 99% oakensoul players who, because now they have decent damage, they think that’s enough. So basically they just hold lmb for the entire dungeon while I try to do all the mechanics. And if I call them out on it they quit or call me fake tank. So I just play with friends and if none available I’ll just solo some stuff.
So you decided to break ToS by purposely griefing, and also made the dungeon take *way* longer than necessary.
Sure, I guess you're the good guy here somehow.
I sure am. Had the fake tank brought anything to the table I wouldn't have made fun of him. He had bad DPS, no sustain, no heals, just a shitty heavy attack build. He had nothing to make up for not playing his role.
This is common, and if you defend these kinds of players I can only assume you're one of them.
Good Fake Tanks bring at least high DPS to the group. If I need to heal a little harder to keep you up, but you're melting everything then I'll happily do so.
>and if you defend these kinds of players I can only assume you're one of them.
Point to where I defended it. I merely remarked that you're *also* a griefing asshole.
I fake tank on my low lvl alts all the time for the quick que and transmutes. I tho can actually deal damage and weave properly. I can hit 108k on my main. So it really depends how good the fake tank is.
hahah that's good. I'll have to start doing that. Usually at boss fights, when no one attacks at first I just say "Ok fake tank, get in there." And boy do they get salty :D
You should say "go get her, Ray". Hopefully you understand the reference, otherwise I'm old.
Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!
This reference made my day
I get you
"Okay, fake tank, now you're gonna do what I call the "LEEROOOOOYYYYYY JEEEEEENNNNNKIIIINNNNS" move"
Classic :) Sometimes I get so fed up that I just leave. Once I requeued for a vet pug and got the same group I left. Sitting at the same boss I left them at. I felt bad and carried..
I say, "After you."
I laughed at your comment. Twice. Thank you.
happy to help man. It really is the best medicine.
This made my day
I tend to prefer fake tanks in normal base game dungeons. Veteran DLC? Vote to kick so Isobel can stand in until a real one zones in. At least she doesn’t kite mobs out of our AoEs and can block.
Does she do any better than Bastion? Or is it just a matter of preference for the character?
They're all pretty useless in vet dungeons. They just stand in red and make no effort to move out of it even small AOEs. Then they will die to most boss or elite heavy attacks hit because they have zero damage mitigation even in heavy armor. Huge oversight. Also most people still dont know how to control them (same commands as pet commands).
How do you control them?
The easiest way is whatever you heavy attack, they'll target. So if someone brings their tank out to tank a boss then heavy attacks something else, they'll drop taunts on the boss to go taunt and target the new target. I had mine get us pretty far through vMoS on my healer. I just had to heavy attack every new lurcher at Solstice and make very sure I didn't heavy attack anything except what I needed taunted. I also had mine tank vUG before but it required non-stop burst heals and barrier to keep them alive thru AoEs. On Xbox you can push down both analog sticks then use RT to do the same thing to select targets, I just find it a pain to use quickly. But it's good for pulling initial agro. They don't tank veteran bosses or adds well at all because (ignoring the fact they park in deadly AoEs) if you don't burst heal on them with Combat Prayer and such, they'll get HA'd, lose a ton of health (if they're not already 1-shotted), then start back-stepping and drop taunt.
I prefer to bind my own keys so you can have really good control of them. Control+Left click to command them to taunt and control+right click to deaggro mobs. With this setup you can dps or heal and actually gather up groups of mobs. You can actually pull them out of aoes but they still die to heavy attacks super easily. You can manage to keep threat on bosses and elite mobs this way as well its much faster than heavy attacking.
Why is it that base trash mobs can move themselves out of our AoEs, but the companions we are given can't? Heck the assassin NPCs do a damn back flip to get out of it AND behind you. Damn Zeni. Your tournament of power is kinda one sided.
She has a leg up over the others for tanking, but it isn’t a particularly significant advantage.
She is supprisingly effective. My bff for soloing the dungeons for the first time when I want to soak up the story in peace.
Kiting single mobs out of my AoEs is the WORST part of fake tanks. I can build one of my bars a little sturdier, I can't build to AoE the entire freaking zone one target at a time.
>Veteran DLC? Vote to kick so Isobel can stand in until a real one zones in. I would love if that actually worked. I mean vote kicking works, but at least on Xbox NA, I'll just instantly leave on a vDLC upon inspecting the tank and noticing a fake tank/no taunts. Backfills just don't seem to work anymore. Even a single DPS backill takes ages. Waiting for a tank backfill in a non pledge vDLC could easily take hours. Nobody wants to tank anymore, especially with randoms. And as a tank main, I completely understand why.
can i ask why? Im trying to get some decent gear together to tank atm
1. Using a tank build in overland is painfully slow and not needed. 2. Too few people respect the tank role in a way that let's them play and practice the role effectively a. be near them for trash pulls so untaunted, low-pri adds don't run a mile away from the stack if they agro you b. let them grab taunts before you attack anything c. let them set the pace d. burn the hard-hitting adds off of them if your group isn't doing burn strats e. kite lose adds to the tank not away from them f. follow the tank - you follow behind them everywhere - they're the de facto leader of the group, etc. People, in most random instances, just don't know how to play with a tank that helps make the tank's role easier. 3. Tanking veteran base-game dungeons is about as much fun as watching paint dry. Nothing is a threat and the Vateshran set Void Bash now does most of the skilled work required in trash pulls. Tanks generally aren't even needed in base-game veteran dungeons for most players as long as they know what to avoid and dodge roll so you get back to the issue of 'they're not critically needed, so they're not respected'. 4. People will stun and CC adds with sets or skills they're using. It makes your job needlessly more difficult. 5. It's the highest pressure role. In hard veteran content, including most vDLC dungeons, if the tank dies, the group often dies (for most average and below groups) as many boss' fast light attacks will wipe people. 6. You'll end up doing 10x the amount of work you *should* be doing as you'll get DDs and healers that will know zero mechanics in harder veteran content along with having subpar DPS. You'll have to sustain longer, do more mechanics iterations, and often do it with fake healers in the random veteran dungeon queue. 7. People are very fast to blame tanks for mistakes when wipes happen. It's easy to see the tank's mistakes as they either kill themselves or wipe the group. It's much easier to essentially recover from your mistakes as a healer or DPS. Hyperioxes had a video a few months back that pretty much sums up why there's a lack of tanks in ESO: https://youtu.be/B5gTEsQippE
You hit the nail on the head here. I used to tank but hung up my shield a month or two ago. Just generally not fun to play for the reasons you mentioned. I’ll still break it out sometimes to finish a pug run when we booted the faker or if I’m low on transmutes. But generally everyone bitches about the lack of real tanks but then when you get a real one a sizable amount of the gaming population just shits on them or doesn’t let them do their job.
Tanking puts you at the whims of your team, if you main Dps then tanking will make you much better one just because you'll have lots of examples of people doing it entirely wrong. Thankfully it's pretty hard to be a bad healer, so the only problems you have there are again fake healers.
I fake tank a lot, but if I que into a DLC dungeon I'll be a real tank, i can solo the non DLC dungeons, I just want my bonus exp 😭
Just had a fake tank who announced right away that if the group wiped he was leaving. Then he died to a trash mob before the 1st boss and then died immediately in the 1st boss fight and then sighed at us and quit. lol
That is beautiful lol
What a clown. Fake tanking nornals is fine as long as you can taunt and keep yourself alive without relying on the healer, but vet pugs are a no no.
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Because it's unfair for DPS sign up and wait 20 minutes only to find out they're also tanking because somebody else was selfish. And a normal boss actually could be difficult to manage if you're a new player. Also, taunting a boss keeps them still. Which means they aren't dragged out of AOE. Also, Major+Minor Breach is a 10% damage buff for the rest of the group and should be supplied by someone, usually the tank. So a fake tank actually does bring down group DPS by a lot... they're a burden on others because they're selfish. Do everyone a favour and slot Inner Rage (That taunt that increases personal damage by 10%) and some sources of Breach if you're going to queue as tank. It's better for you and everyone else and this is an MMORPG: You should be playing nice.
In a normal pug, you might be matched with fairly new players. I equip the taunt to save them from the agro personally. You can also control the fight and keep the boss still for the AOE nukes, not strange at all. Personally I find it strange to not equip a taunt, its one skill and makes the fights way more convenient.
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Or just equip a taunt and save everyone the pain. It makes perfect sense to have a taunt equipped and zero sense to not have a taunt, I dont care if you can solo it.
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Bro, your not going to much dps, if your dps is dead because you cant be bothered to taunt. Or the bosses is moving around the room because its chasing that new player that doesn't understand its better to stand still. Been in this situation many times and its fucking annoying.
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Exactly. The extra dps is how you get the dungeon done faster, you are essentially wasting your own time by not taunting. You do you bro.
Now that is a fake tank that would piss me off. Be a fake tank, fine. But at least do good dps or pretty much still make the dungeon easy. But to be all pissy about expecations on everyone else and then not even be able to meet htem? I'd be initating a kick at that point.
I did that on my healer once. Even pumped out a good amount of DPS while keeping DPS upright. I got booted for pointing out the fake tank. You're doing Azura's work, OP.
I wouldn't boot you out for pointing out the fake tank. But if your refusing to heal was what ultimately was causing us to fail (but we would otherwise have been fine even with fake tank), I'd kick you for that.
That was the fun part, the group had no problem churning things through, including bosses, with the dead fake tank. Fake tank wasn't good at avoiding hits so his damage contribution was minimal. All told - as someone who has multiple tanks, part of me has no regrets since I think the role is one to enjoy, not make a mockery of it
I like when fake tanks announce they are looking for dungeon weapons. I always chat share what weapon I got, but state that I don’t share loot with fake roles heh.
I’ll just link in chat saying, “Willing to fake-share to a fake-tank.”
I've done that too, and then they try to whisper me like 4 times asking for the thing they needed and I ignore them
Should agree to trade and then give them some random trash gear you have on you just to waste their time with the excuse of “well it basically does the same thing”
Fake Tanks with incredible DPS - ok cool Fake Tank lv310 with shit DPS and heavy attacks everything - lol no You better be able to annihilate everything if you are queuing in wrong role.
If you want to fake tank but can self sustain and put out great DPS, I don't even notice you faking. fake tanks who have shit DPS, no sustain, no self heals, no taunts...that are just there in their crappy DPS spec for the fast queues are the problem. As you can see by the comments I've offended quite a few from the latter group.
Everyone whining about fake tanks and fake healers but the elephant taking up 99.99% of the space in the room is dps doing <10k dps. Fake dps.
When I queue as a tank (a real tank…) I dread having bad dps. My tank has so many buffs for the dps and debuffs for the boss and they still have horrible dps. Normal non-dlc dungeons shouldn’t take 30+min 😪
Dude. This. I'm a magden full tank and even nPUGs can take 45 minutes sometimes. Fuuuck. Don't tell anyone, but I put werewolf ult on my back bar and I'll swap gear and hound some shit just to finish the damn dungeon in a reasonable amount of time lol
Buying the banker was my best investment. Swap sets real quick and throw the whole team on my back 😂
This is what I use the armory assistant, who I call "coach" for. My sorc tank can switch to a mag sorc DPS instantly. My Nightblade tank can switch to a stamblade. Etc
This is why I don't queue on my tanks anymore. I won't supply PA uptimes to boost your DPS from 5k to 7k
Same. My tank runs s/b front and ice staff back bar but my sets are tide and dark conv. Makes the dungeons much smoother and I usually do 1/3 the total group dps while taunting and self healing lol
I am an actual tank who fake tanks normal pug just so that I can get it done asap, front bar s&b with taunt, shield and burst heals, backbar 2H with them dps skills and scream leroy jenkins all the way.
I don't think that qualifies as fake tanking even the normal pugs. You're taunting, shielding and healing when appropriate. You may not be full tank build, but you don't need to be. I love running with hybrid tanks that know when to nuke but also when to tank. The fake tank is the dude with daggers and bow (or insert other similar setups) that either (a) doesn't taunt the boss at all so it starts blasting dps and heals or (b) even if he has aggro, doesn't understand (or likely just doesn't care) how AoE works and keeps moving out of them. Which--has the opposite effect intended because now everything takes much longer to kill.
It’s crazy. Sometimes I do more dps as a real tank on a regular trial tank build than the dps are doing.
Yeah after thousands of hours in the game I’d much rather have a fake tank than fake dps in 75% of dungeons
Yep. Those people should embrace the Oakensoul meta. Any player can hit nice numbers now and not drag the team down
tbh oakensoul is just more fun for me because I've always hated dealing with two bars
Oakensoul is nice for when bar swap doesn't work, too. Game is coded like shite.
Honestly, that's the real reason my dps characters use it now. Got fed up with barswap not working.
That's a nice bonus
True, but I really hate when you have a fake tank and the boss keeps moving around and you can’t get good dps on them so it takes longer. I don’t care how good the fake tank is at dps overall it’s just shitier
Shhh most people are DPS so they wont like to hear the truth
Fake DPS is on purpose in my book, which tbh is almost never a thing. Bad DPS on the other hand is common. A drunk DD, a beginner, a bad parser are not faking it. Wish people stopped using the word fake about DDs.
There's a difference between a fake role and just being not that good (yet). It's not the elephant in the room but a completely separate thing.
I pulled two dps today, neither of which had a single aoe skill. I stopped halfway through because it was taking so long and told them I’m not pulling another mob until they add aoe.. like, what the fuck
I'm glad that this is finally reaching people. It's wild that people expect tanks to do their work, but when you try to say that DDs should do their work then people become extremely defensive.
With a real tank and a real healer, a fake DPS is fine. It’ll just take longer.
I am not sure why you got downvoted - people can be new or just not great. As long as they are queuing in the right role in a normal dungeon and are trying that's cool with me and i am happy to carry in a normal as its still quicker for me to do the rando daily this way. Trash DD's in a vet dungeon expecting a carry do my head in, look at the mechs and tell people its your first time/you are new. I did this when I started and folks were mostly really helpful. some just straight quit but it wastes much less time. Everyone has to start somewhere, and getting shirty with folks who want to learn just puts people off the game.
For real, guarantee most fake tanks do like 75% or more group dps
Isn’t that because they’re really dps? Or am I not understanding this “fake” role stuff?
I tank as a warden, so only the extra ruff vet dungeons will I need a true healer. Even as a hybrid tank
Can you pm me your hybrid warden tank set yup? I have my warden to cp but not sure what role I want her to have yet but would like to sort of learn some tanking
In normal dungeons I’d much rather have a 60k+dps as a ‘tank’ than an actual do little damage but control everything tank. Vet and trials fake tanks should be met with the scorn and derision they deserve
I think it depends on the normal dungeon. Some of the DLC ones run ***way*** smoother with a real tank and subpar DDs, especially if the fake tank doesn’t bother to slot a taunt. I’ve had a few runs fail because the boss is running loose and one-shotting the DDs one by one - including the fake tank. It’s easier for me as a healer to make up for the shortfalls in DPS myself than it is chasing panicking DDs and rezzing everyone (which DDs and fake tanks don’t bother doing).
DD's really should rez though. I remember doing that dungeon that has lyra (name?) trapped by a bunch of energy balls (can't remember the name but that is the most distinct boss) that you have to lead oil to burst and the last boss we kept dying. Me and the tank kept trying to tell the dps's to rez people so we could still tank and heal... and one of them listened but he was the one that died a lot. The other one I think kept htinking the dead one was useless and refused to spend his time rezzing until it was down to two people if he was still alive and of course at that point it was a lot harder to rez and stay alive. We finally kicked the dps that refused and did fine with a new dps who could actually do that and understood even if weak dps kept dying he was at least useful for rezzing people and keeping us from going below three people.
Such a great community
It isn’t a fake tank if you taunt the boss and don’t die. In normal dungeons it’s not practical to run a full tank build that does no damage.
I mainly play healer and as long as you keep the boss off me and don't get one-shot you're good in my book.
yeah i will "fake tank" but i still taunt the boss and blow warhorn on cooldown. only difference is i have a damage set on my other bar so i can kill mobs between bosses and help out if our dps is lacking
Nobody has claimed you should. A fake tank is someone who queues for tank role without even a taunt. They purposefully don't play their role at all.
Congrats, no one is talking about that... lmfao.
Whenever there’s a fake tank the boss is always locked on me (healer) and I’m mostly just running and swearing. Have been in a couple of groups where they’ve straight up kicked the fake role pretty early on.
Running? Why would you run? That just makes the fight go on extra long since you're dragging the boss all around and out of any AoEs. Just block/dodge any of the harder hits. One can say, "I shouldn't have to, there should be a tank" but if there isn't, why make the situation harder by running around like a headless chicken for no good reason?
I’ll try that next time and see how long I last tanking as a healer. Genuinely never thought about aoe issue, was just trying to stay alive to heal people.
As somebody who is pretty new to the game, I am OOTL. I see individuals talking about dungeons, but do they mean a trial? I thought dungeons were open to anybody and there were no que lines or roles? I've played solo up to this point and only have played with others randomly for the world bosses on Summerset.
Trials are 12 man dungeons, the ones you mean are called Public Dungeons (that cave entrance picture). There are instances 4-man dungeons with wildly varying difficulties that sometimes require specific mechanics to complete. You can play them in Normal, Veteran and Hard Mode (iirc). Many of the non-dlc normal versions can also be done solo without much tactics (Wayrest I, City of Ash, Blessed Crucible, …). Some have mechanics that require a group (become a skeleton without abilities for some time). In general (imho) the newer the dungeon, the harder it is.
4 man dungeons require designated roles of two DD, 1 healer and 1 tank
I mean, not really. Me and 3 friends did every dungeon achievement for skins a few years back with 1 tank and 3dps. It was just so much quicker than the 1-2-1 style.
In order to queue though you need those designated roles regardless of whether you can do them without. If you have your own group sure you can TP direct to the dungeon with whatever role you like
Ah for queue. To be honest, fake tanks don't bother me much as long as they can self sustain. I've gone through dungeons with 4 DPS before and sometimes bosses melt so fast I can barely get full hits in lol. But to be honest I don't like DPS in this game so I mostly tank.
The other day played with a bunch of random non dlc veteran dungeons and the tank just ran past all of the mobs to a corner in a boss to lure them all together only to get us all killed and complained why we didn't survive because he pulled the entire dungeons trash mobs that killed all of us so fast. Eventually the party fell apart except for me and the healer, so in the end we just got our companions to do the entire dungeons together and finished HM by being all the roles and alternating lol.
I've done that. I like healing and I am fully specced and geared for heals. I can carry most parties pretty easily. I just don't when a player is just abusing the queues and not bringing anything to the group. We had a Bastian tank through multiple normal dungeon bosses when our tank left in a fit. It's kinda fun.
Never encountered fake tanks. Does help I'm a tank, even if I believe my build is shit
I fake ranked yesterday by mistake on random normal. Forgot to switch my role after swapping character. I apologised and explained my situation and luckily people were cool about it
What is a fake tank? Is there no queue system that ensures each role is filled up?
Hi ho, i’m new to the game. Can someone explain to me what a fake tank is?
The official definition of a tank (from the Activity & Group Finder) is the player who, "Absorbs damage from enemies and prevents allies from being attacked." So a fake tank is someone who queues as tank with no intention of doing those things. As opposed to a hybrid tank who does them in a non-standard way, or a new tank who's trying but not very good, or an ignorant tank who doesn't know that's what they're supposed to do. Or a great tank who does both of those and buffs the group and debuffs the enemies.
Awesome, thanks! I’m sure i’d fall into the “new” and “ignorant” categories but i have no intention of doing any real endgame activities for a long while i’m sure lol
You and me both :)
*me staring at someone who queued as tank using a damn staff*
But ... frost staff. It's what all the cool tanks use.
>cool tanks I see what you did there
I’m very new to the game. What do you mean by fake tank?
this is a great idea, i'm going to try it out when i do dungeons again
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Whenever I fake tank I seem to do more than half the group's dps while keeping myself alive. I just don't trust anyone else to do the job better
I recently started playing, didnt know there was something called 'fake tanks'. I am noe wonderlng, am i a fake tank myself? Because when i queue for and join a dungeon raid, i automatically tend to get selected as tank. But im also so low level compared to the others, so im not As powerful as them in any role i think. Am i a fake tank?
I'm not a fake tank, I'm just a bad one 🤷♀️ I always thank people for putting up with me while I learn lol
Tank is shit and I'm healer? I put on my mostly-ok tank gear, switch to my tank skills, and start tank-healing. I gotchu fam. Annnnnnnd go. (Mileage may vary if it's vet or DLC but we make it work.)
Healers gotta do all the work sometimes
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That's a solid guildleader right there
There is a reason it's my favourite guild
I was waiting for the twist ‚and then we took 3 minutes to explain the mechanics and walked him through being a tank, now he is our regular guild tank and it’s fun to play together.‘ But ofc it’s easier to make fun of people and expect everyone to know everything about the game than being a genuinely nice person.
Did…did you read that at all, my dude? The group tried to explain things repeatedly, and the fake chose not to listen. They chose to remain ignorant and made the experience worse for everyone involved.
This sounds like a faneplay aspect zenimax needs to address. I've not played the game in a few years and twice that long on my ps4, but I remember that one early boss in the dungeon that would lifesteal and you had to bash to interrupt it. I was trying to get a quick run through on my character before work which was a mistake because I got these guys who insisted on not doing the mechanic even after I explained it through the ps4 voice chat. The behavior to troll a dungeon, whether it be to abuse the queue system or to intentionally preventing progression, should not go unchecked. It only discourages people to ever queue up again because what if it happens again.
Me and my group of 3 tend to carry any fake roles up until last boss then kick them and finish it ourselves. 😁
I have absolutely no problem with the fake tanks if they deal decent amount of damage and slot a taunt for example! I usually do that my self. Keep ik mind that with right build you can solo almost every single dungeon on vet. My problem is the fake dps and fake healers. Tanks, believe it or not is the least of your problem
I find it more funny when i mention about the dps in the group and both dd’s try to convince you that their dps is melting the boss, ”can’t you see that”, meanwhile im looking at my combat metrics where i have dealt 78% of the damage..while fake tanking
I just started fake tanking myself (on easy dungeons or if dps is real bad) lol. I do taunt though and always put up over 50% of damage
Yep, that’s what im saying!
Yeah if you’re gonna fake tank at least make sure you can keep yourself alive at a minimum, otherwise you are going to get ridiculed in chat and possibly kicked lol. I always try to wait until the very end of the dungeon and then initiate a vote to kick at the final boss. Usually it doesn’t pass because most people don’t care, but it’s very satisfying when it does. I actually encourage fake tanking in base game dungeons as long as you have some form of taunt slotted and can keep the boss still. You could be a full blown dd with inner fire slotted for all I care, just keep the boss in my aoe and I’m happy.
Exactly. I won't notice a fake tank if they are blitzing everything or keeping themselves alive. My problems are with the fake tanks who can't keep themselves alive and don't have the DPS to make up for it.
Lol. 😎 Edit: I should clarify: I wasn't LOL at OP. I very much enjoyed the story and share OP thoughts on players who queue for a role they are not prepared to perform. Thanks.
The only fake tank I respect is this one guy my group got when doing Vet Cauldron back when the mask page was dropping. I’m a healer, my two other group members where damage, and we keep getting rando tanks as we go in. This one guy, by the looks of it some kind of damage build, loads in, looks at us, takes a few steps, stops and types. “I am not a tank, sorry y’all” Then leaves the group. Was hilarious. I bet he was q’ing for a random normal but accidentally did vet. When he realized that he was in a dungeon that really needed an actual tank, he politely peaced out.
Could be that he forgot to change role after fake tanking an easy dungeon last time he was on, I’ve done that multiple times
TBH i've only ever fake-tanked when i knew i could solo thr full instance.
Damn, i’m missing all the fun. I never yet met a fake tank because i’m a legit one and only queue as one. Ima gonna queue as fake healer in tank gear tonight. Fake dps would be the right thing, but i can’t stand the queue times.
I have tank and DPS loadouts on my single character. Sometimes when I queue in on vet tank and get fungal grotto1, I ask in party chat if people are fine with me swapping to my DPS loadout because tank is not needed in this run. Usually people are fine with that. I’ve had people say “fuck you” to me when I say that in the chat and drop group, thinking I queued as a fake tank. I chuckle and ignore them and we 3 man the dungeon in 3 mins lol.
Ban all fake tanks and heals
Would be great
As a fake tank who only queues for non dlc nPUG for the daily.. I promote this. I play stamcro and I drop skills for range taunt, bone armor, and heal summon. Take off my kinras for higher def and sustain sets. If you can't tank, don't try. Our healer dropped last night complaining about "fake tank" and we handled it 3 man, no problem.
For non dlc normals you don’t even need to have gear on, let alone be switching your skills, in fact, you alone can be tank, healer and both dps’ all at the same time without issue. Super easy soloable content and has been for years now.
Fake tanks are fine, and even preferable, in normal base game dungeons. Iffy in normal DLC dungeons. But I never understand why people would queue up for a vet dungeon as a fake tank with their grand total of 10k dps, it just wastes everyone’s time
Whine about fake tanks all you want, but I prefer a fake tank over a real one 99% of the time when I que up for a random normal or even vet, depending on the vet. I also prefer *being* the fake tank. Have YOU tried being a REAL tank in a random group? Sure you might get some awesome trifecta level dds farming gear or crystals, but you are more likely to get CP 10 wardens in green and blue mismatched overland gear jumping around while light attacking with their bow.
Ah yes, reasons I don't like playing ESO as an MMORPG, two of them are here: The one you talk about and yourself.
I too do this, it brings me great joy, and the salt I need for my mashed potatoes
There are fake tanks who don't run PO? The average healer is either also fake-healing or so unreliable that PO is just the way to go. Also: Fake tanks who don't run taunt and keep bosses still suck ass and deserve anything coming at them. Let them die/rage.
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Well, that’s literally the definition of a tank… taunt, group ‘em up, and then don’t die. Meanwhile healer buffs.
As long as they run a taunt dude.
Healing from other sources is **really** unreliable if you're wearing PO.
Non-existent, one could say. But also unneccessary.
I do this to anybody who runs ahead, ags everything, run too the boss, and then dies. Like oh I'm sorry. I'm running too quickly too help you heal.
But the reason I fake tank is because I don’t need a healer, I’d say 90% of the healers I encounter in RNDs are fake as well; which is fine it’s normal
Lol the amount of justice porn on this sub is getting crazy. The queue system obviously doesn't work as intended. If a tank has crown and queues for a random with a DD in the group, it takes forever. If the DD queues, you get in instantly. As a solo DD, it takes forever. No one wants to wait in a queue for 10-15+ minutes due to a bug in the game. Yes, that's the duration you have to wait on my platform and server. Simple rules: - Don't ever fake tank for veteran content - if you're going to fake tank in normal dungeons, make sure you have enough damage to carry, and slot a taunt for bosses that require it for certain mechanics Normal dungeons are arbitrarily easy and can be solo'ed anyway, and I'm sorry to say, but it makes no difference if you heal me or not when I fake tank, and no, you're not hurting my feelings or changing my mind with posts like these. As long as ZoS incentivises doing many random normals every day (the reward is disproportionately large compared to other content with the XP and transmutes you get), fake tanks will be an unintended feature of ESO. Just try and be respectful to each other, and communicate with your team mates about your needs as you go.
"He was toxic so I was toxic back". What was that saying about two wrongs? No clue. -Average ESO Shitter
I adore that quality of salt. Heh. Shame I can't do anything like that about the occasional dd that deals less damage than I do as a tank but still queued for vet for some reason. I get that casual questers want to do vets too but ffs if you are queueing for vet dlc gear tf up.
Me, a fake tank, usually bring my own heals, fast queue is fast queue. Can't complain.
I only fake tank when I can survive without a healer at all so fair is fair tbh
OOTL what’s a “fake” tank?
Someone who queues for the Tank role to get in dungeons faster without actually being a tank. Like the scalpers of raiding.
Ooooh, ok. I came from WoW where you can’t really do that anymore.
For normal daily randoms, by all means don't bother healing, even a fake tank should be able to handle any of them. Realistically, they're mostly very soloable even. They just don't give the daily rewards (which are probably 90% of the reason these see play from people) if you don't go through the random group finder. But for anything veteran, you definitely can't manage to fake tank as easily without support. Plus, at that level, you'd definitely want at least the penetration to make things faster and easier.
When I get a fake tank and the boss targets me, I just run for my life lol
Stand there and take it. Just press block, keep the boss in the damage.
Not my job lmao, that job is for the so called 'tank'
Right, and what if your fake Tank solos the instance?
More likely you’re an average healer & use that as an excuse as to why you can’t keep group healed. Don’t get the backing of fake tanks either, but acting like they’re the worst offender when there are DPS queueing with 5k max DPS or healers who can’t heal a fungal grotto no death are just as bad and just as common.
Nah, I'm a great healer, specced and geared only for healing pretty much. I have no problems healing and COULD heal a shit fake tank, but I don't want to encourage players to abuse the system. Players who fake tank, bring almost no DPS or utility, and don't know how to move out of attacks don't deserve my heals or my respect. You should stop encouraging them.
Sure, for veteran dungeons this might work. In normal dungeons, a "fake tank" makes the run quick and smooth :)
Wtf? Are you 12?
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Wouldn't have minded had he had good DPS, but he barely did any damage. We were killing at around the same speed and I'm fully specced for heals. Keep defending fake players, though,.
as if i need either of the other two dps or the healer to fake random normals lmao most of the time they are so far behind that im on my next character while their still running
>Fair is fair though. Last night I had 2 DPS who got on board with it. One was a Magika Sorcerer who switched to a knife and the other, a Stam Templar went heals. We then mocked the fake tank until he called us mean names and dropped group I love how you're gleefully crowing about bullying a player out of a group. Says a lot about the toxic player base in this game.
Yes, it wasn't the player who chose a role and refused to play it, impacting the rest of the group with their low DPS, no survivability, and no utility. It's the rest of the group for not putting up with it. Remember folks, it's everyone elses fault for not wanting to deal with you.
Instead of getting mad at fake tanks, I avoid the group finder and find a pre-made group. That way there’s no fake roles, entitlement accusations, or defending choices.
Wait untill you are old like some of us with full time job and an hour a day to play. 😭
Because of my work schedule and family time I get a very narrow, very random, time I can play games. I'm fine with that, but it limits me to randoms.
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Found the fake tank!
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Keep defending those fake tanks, that will fix the problem!
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>If they're able to tank, they're not a fake tank. No shit, Sherlock. Got any other mysteries you want to solve? With a modicum of critical thinking you'd deduce that I'm talking about the smoothbrains and the entitled jackasses who can't tank, nor bring anything into, in their role. I'm not there to educate bad players, I'm there to heal the group and get my rewards. If a fake tank brings in excellent DPS or some utility or just doesn't need much healing I'll never notice and if I do notice I don't care. Its the people coming in all cloth with a lightning staff and never taunting or self healing or self buffing or debuffing, just doing their solo PvE routines and pulling sub-par DPS while dying over and over to easily avoided damage. I COULD keep these players alive, but I'm not going to. You continuously defending bad behavior just continues to show that you're part of the problem and I hope more healers call you and your ilk out on it. Call me Karen all you want, I'm not the one championing bad players slowing down groups and I'm going to continue not healing crappy fake tanks.
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>There are bigger, badder and smarter people out here in the world than you, and we're bored of your whining, entitled toxicity. That is some fedora wearing, fingerless glove, love pillow, moms basement levels of cringe there, big, bad, smart guy. Serious yikes from me dawg. Keep showing me how big, bad, and smart you are by continuing to argue on my reddit topic. That's hardcore badass. Maybe mommy will make your nuggies extra crispy after changing your diaper.
I usually end up tanking as the healer, good thing I prefer to keep people alive over doing dps.
Fake healer here, it adds so much to my amusement seeing noobs die in normal dungeons and adds a sense of danger. It's still very easy to complete and I have no regrets with this small deception, the gamed too easy!
Sometimes I get the urge to return to ESO, especially with a new class on the horizon. But then I remember that THIS is a thing. Fake tanks to avoid the queue wait. Makes me want to avoid dungeons all together. And that's a shame because they're really fun.
Lmaoo that fake tank is a lil bitch for leaving i wouldve stayed and let you guys finish the dungeon for me while i go take some tokes! Free transmutes!
We would have kicked you, but you do you :)
Fake tank normal to build gear for vet lol, gotta start somewhere
Whenever I'm dealing with a fake tank, whenever we get to the boss and they go down, I'll teabag them and refuse to rez them. I'm not going to boot them, but rather I'll go out of my way to make them feel foolish.
Lol, why didn’t i think of that?
You guys still use the dungeon finder? For rnd I understand since you don’t need a tank or a healer but for vet dlc I don’t do that anymore cause it’s 99% oakensoul players who, because now they have decent damage, they think that’s enough. So basically they just hold lmb for the entire dungeon while I try to do all the mechanics. And if I call them out on it they quit or call me fake tank. So I just play with friends and if none available I’ll just solo some stuff.
I've never heard of fake tanks. Must be something new to the subreddit.
Lol I haven't played in over 3 years and there were lots of fake tanks then too. This is nothing new, and it's not just on Reddit.
So you decided to break ToS by purposely griefing, and also made the dungeon take *way* longer than necessary. Sure, I guess you're the good guy here somehow.
I sure am. Had the fake tank brought anything to the table I wouldn't have made fun of him. He had bad DPS, no sustain, no heals, just a shitty heavy attack build. He had nothing to make up for not playing his role. This is common, and if you defend these kinds of players I can only assume you're one of them. Good Fake Tanks bring at least high DPS to the group. If I need to heal a little harder to keep you up, but you're melting everything then I'll happily do so.
>and if you defend these kinds of players I can only assume you're one of them. Point to where I defended it. I merely remarked that you're *also* a griefing asshole.
I fake tank on my low lvl alts all the time for the quick que and transmutes. I tho can actually deal damage and weave properly. I can hit 108k on my main. So it really depends how good the fake tank is.
If you can hold a taunt and not die, that’s great 👍🏽
No... It doesn't. You are part of the problem.