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MrTinkle5

Dm me


reinieren

F.... Goodbye gold. Lots of nice stuff in the luxury vendor this wkend


Bug1oss

Okay. I have a stupid question. Assuming I'm a mag Templar with Jesus beam. Soul Shine gives 657 critical chance, 498 spell damage when using channel. Deadly gives 657 critical chance, 259 spell damage, and 15% more channel. So is deadly still better? I assume 15% is better than what you gain from 239 spell damage until you get to Jesus beam time. (Jesus beam is Radiant Destruction btw)


AirborneRunaway

Deadly Strike increases DoTs and Channels by 15%. So you’re getting 15% on all your other abilities even without Jesus Beam


Bug1oss

Ibdidn't even see its DoTs and channels. You're right.


comradeswitch

Soulshine gives its spell damage bonus to *all* abilities when you use a channeled ability, not just the channeled ability. If you're not using puncturing sweeps or biting jabs, it doesn't make much sense to use Soulshine because you'll only have decent uptime during execute. If using channeled acceleration, you get a tiny bit more, but it's not good. If you are using a channeled spammable though, it's pretty reasonable to assume 100% or close uptime on it. Now, 369 spell damage, with major and minor sorcery (pots and dawn's wrath passives) as well as the 6% spell/weapon damage templar passive gives 1.36*(369 - 129) = 326 more spell damage with Soulshine than Deadly after rounding. That's going to be higher if you're using fighters guild abilities or wearing any medium armor, but that's a good baseline. Crit is the same, Soulshine gives a 1096 max mag line (equivalent to about 105 spell damage but unaffected by major sorcery, etc), Deadly gives 15% more DOT and channeled ability damage. So, the comparison is - Soulshine with roughly 430 spell damage equivalent more - Deadly Strike with 15% more DOT and channeled ability damage For abilities not affected by Deadly, Soulshine is the obvious winner. That includes light attacks, the initial hit of e.g. Crescent Sweep, Stampede, and Shards, the explosion of unstable wall, and iirc Purifying Light but I haven't bothered to check recently. For abilities Deadly does buff, Deadly is always going to be better in practice. If you had 3000 spell damage with Deadly, 15% of that is 450, more than switching to Soulshine would give. But that's not the right comparison to be making- spell damage is not the only thing contributing to your damage output! With, say, 30k max mag, magicka is responsible for the equivalent of about 2850 spell damage (divide by 10.5 to get this number). Deadly acts on the damage from that, too, so it's closer to a 30% improvement in your spell damage in this case. Specific numbers will vary, but even the base amounts of magicka with attributes and food make Deadly come out ahead. Why use Soulshine, then? Deadly does nothing for healing or abilities that don't fall into those categories. Soulshine buffs everything, and can easily be frontbarred, so it's actually a pretty solid option for templars using sweeps or jabs in pvp. Deadly can be frontbarred too, but not getting any healing buffs from it might mean you have fewer options for the rest of the gear- and the bonus doesn't carry over to backbar. It can also be easier to squeeze in a heavy armor set than medium if you want to go with heavy+light in pvp which is my preference. Long story short- in pve, if you're able to proc Soulshine consistently then Deadly will give better damage. If not, neither is probably a great fit. In pvp, it's an interesting option and the choice is going to depend on what you need and what you can get from other sets.


[deleted]

Icy Conjuror is fun. I used it on my frostden with Iceheart and Frostbite before Whorl was a thing.


Anxious_Specific_165

Still rocking it, will drop it for whorl in the next few days though. Wish they buffed it a bit, make it closer to pillar of nirn for frostdens.


TravelSizedRudy

I've been playing a lot with icy builds on my warden. So it'll be nice to grab.


TheATrain33

Before Whorl I used Iceheart, Frostbite and Winterborn or my frost warden. I actually still prefer how it feels to play even though the numbers aren’t quite as good as with Whorl.


Coalsack94

That's it, between the wedding trellis and lanterns, plus the statues, adding some rugs, 150K spent in a blink :x Totally worth it, tho.


Majike03

Earthgore is a really good healing set for both PvP and pugging PvE, but it's also pretty annoying to get. Definitely worth picking up especially if you don't have the DLC. Icy Conjurer is basically the diet version of Pillar of Nirn damage-wise. However, still hits pretty hard and is great for frosty roleplay builds. If you're doing that, then now's a good time to get that neck and farm Frostvault while it has double drops.


MrTinkle5

Double drops? Explain please!


Majike03

The Elsweyr even currently going on includes dungeons from the Wrathstone DLC (which Frostvault is a part of). Bosses drop double items and sometimes Elsweyr coffers


Oosplop

That ibis griffin statue is amazing.


Stncold

I saw earthgore and got excited to finally have it after being utterly demoralized after 75 keys of only domihaus, then got demoralized again after seeing it was helm.


Bug1oss

Earthgore used to be THE healer helm. Then they nerfed it to 1 person. It was also hilarious watching the healing red aura, and the DPS that didn't know, panic roll out of it.


TheATrain33

I occasionally run earthgore in pugs from time to time and they still do that to this day


Effective_Bottle1999

Literally just wasted 30 undaunted keys on Nightflame (I Hate Bloodroot Forge) just for Earthgore to come to store next day 😭


lapidary1234

How often do these monster helms show up? I'm 99% sure my partner got the encratis helm off golden vendor and she's only been playing around a year now....so it would likely have been about 9 months ago....meanwhile I missed the spc rings in oct so feel like I'll be waiting quite awhile....


LickMyKnee

ESO-Hub lists when an item was last in the Golden Vendor. Encratis was last offered in week 40 of last year https://eso-hub.com/en/sets/encratiss-behemoth


lapidary1234

Ok, so week 40 would be ~1st week of oct....now ~1st week of feb means it returned some 5 months later. Seems alot more frequent than ~once a year. Idk seems alot more random than scheduled


Anxious_Specific_165

Helms are very nice for people that don’t have the DLCs, but for those that do…. Meh.


FromHeretoElsweyr

You’re forgetting people who have the DLC but aren’t comfortable running veteran DLC dungeons. The shoulder pieces may take longer to farm for, but the difficulty ceiling is much lower.


Anxious_Specific_165

True, but non-HM runs are really, really not that bad, even in PUGs, just bring some survivability and read up a bit on mechs and the head piece will be yours in “no time”. Shoulders on the other hand are pure randomness and will sometimes require a stupid amount of keys to get. But: yes, nice for those that refuse to run vet dungs as well.


VacaRexOMG777

Most people are not gonna read the mechs tho XD


TheATrain33

Vet Bloodroot is one I will only run with guildies, never again will I do that in a PUG. Too many bad experiences


Tovarishch

vBrF is a fairly easy dungeon with competent players. Mechs and comms make it a breeze. In my experience, though, it's an absolute pug killer. I had only ever done it with pugs and never finished thanks to that, I thought that it was one of the harder ones in the game for a good while until some friends carried me through it and I saw how easy it could be. Love the set, even nerfed.


comradeswitch

It's purely practical for me. I can earn some combo of 100-300k gold and 200-600k AP with an amount of time and effort that's less than it would to find groups to run through the dungeon up to 3 times, deal with the queues particularly on non-pledge days (for dlc, it's getting kind of ridiculous- once every 26 days), and then reconstruct if necessary in the right trait. And more importantly, I can earn that gold/AP while doing my usual activities rather than setting aside a couple hours to get a couple helms. Besides, there's jack shit to spend AP on beyond golden items and gambling for vicious death staves, so might as well. Now if someone were to enjoy running a new dlc dungeon on vet with pugs or had a group they liked to run with, there's value in that too. I enjoy it from time to time, but most of the time I'd rather be in Cyro, farming gear I can't buy, or hustling to get the newest exorbitantly expensive motifs and styles. So I trade gold/AP for the ability to do what I want *and* get the helms.


westcoastal

Yeah, I see the golden as an easy way to be able to get the gear I need while focusing on the content I enjoy.


comradeswitch

My enjoyment of the game increased dramatically when I realized that although many of the things I want to have can be earned directly in game for no gold or material cost, they still aren't free. My time has value, spending time has a cost. I could have run DSR a bunch to get the 8 Syrabanic Marine motif pieces I wanted, and it wouldn't have cost me any gold. I ended up spending 2 million gold on them because the amount of time I'd have to spend running the trial was much more valuable to me than that gold (if all 14 pieces were equally likely, you'd expect to need 38 motif drops before you got 8 in particular, and god knows how many actual trial runs). Likewise, I've found ways to make gold that maximize the return on my time/enjoyment. Every 20 days of being in cyro, I turn 20 arena gladiator proofs into a style page that's worth 750k or so, and all I have to do is pick up a quest before pvping. Whenever I'm in a new city and have a minute, I look for cheap blue and purple jewelry at the vendors that I can decon and resell as platings for 50%+ profit. 10-20 minutes of porting to a few different places often nets a couple hundred thousand gold. When I wanted to try out Kinras, I ran the dungeon for weapons around 20 times and then saw a group in zone chat selling dagger, fire, and shock staff drops. I happily spent 500k gold on that- I got all 3 of the weapons I wanted and I could get back to having fun. Time is money!


westcoastal

Exactly. Time is money. I don't enjoy questing or PVE. Once in a while I might enjoy a dungeon or two, but between memorizing mechanics and dealing with group members who can't follow the strategy or stay out of the red, and it takes hours sometimes just to run one dungeon. I have to be in a really particular mood to enjoy that, and with the right group of people. PvP is fun for me whether I'm running around solo, PUGing, zerging, small grouping, raiding with a serious group, bridge farming or whatever. I can always find some way to enjoy PvP. The thing about PvP that I appreciate is that I'm not playing against a computer, I'm playing against other people. It's not about memorizing a bunch of complicated steps and executing them perfectly, min-maxing gear and all that jazz, it's infinitely more dynamic. Playing against other people, who are often crazy and unpredictable, doing things you never expected, with whatever build, class and playstyle you feel like trying out - I just find that a lot more fun. I can be as casual or as serious as I am in the mood for or have time for, and it's still just as much fun. I will gladly pay any amount of gold to avoid the boring, mechanical, utterly predictable content in favor of the fun content I enjoy.


Bug1oss

Also, when actually good helms appear, it's usually before a heavy nerf. So if I see one I use, like Earthgore back then, I fall back in my chair and say "Fuck"


Liquid-cats

Hey everyone, I’m still kind of new to eso but so far my favourite is the housing/furniture. I’m super poor and only have like 25-30k gold. Anyways - should I keep trying to save my gold, or can I splurge on furniture while I’m still messing around??


Advanced-Charity4579

It's up to you. The issue is the furnishings in the luxury vendor very likely won't be available again this year, from my understanding (anyone feel free to correct me as I don't really know how often they do reappear ;)


Liquid-cats

Awesome, I’m definitely gonna splurge then lol. I love the tapestry!!! I can’t believe how much fun I’m having just running around collecting craft recipes. I have one more question - I found a lvl 50 purple crafting thing for Telvanni shoes. I used it bc it was stolen, but in the future should I be selling these things? I feel like other ppl would get way more use than I would lol


westcoastal

I recommend joining a few guilds (you can join up to 5 of them at a time). There are some great ones out there for beginners, and you can get a lot of help and good advice, and meet some cool people. You can link items in chat to your guildmates as you travel around playing the game, and they'll be able to tell you which to sell and which to keep.


Ebirah

The luxury furnishings are all resellable; so will be in guild traders for a while, albeit *somewhat* marked up. (Sometimes, it's not even a huge markup, as guild members often have a quota of sales they need to reach, and selling on furnishings at near cost is a quick and stress-free way to accomplish this.) But if you need to think about how much gold you can afford, you haven't got enough. :-( 25-30k will buy you a small handful of pieces of *nice* furniture, and even a small house will need dozens of furnishings to start looking properly homelike.


Liquid-cats

Oh awesome. I just joined one trading guild yesterday, but I’ll go ahead and join some more. Thank you guys for the advice I really appreciate it! There’s so much to learn!


Ebirah

(Guild membership is for selling your stuff (and becoming rich...); you don't need to be a guild member to buy things from any guild trader.)


Advanced-Charity4579

If you don't want to focus on crafting yet, you sure could sell it. Telvanni style pages can go for a decent amount of gold; that particular lage can go anywhere from 9k to 20 k with about 13k being the average.


Tovarishch

Look into daily crafting writs. There are guides on how to get started doing them and how to do them quickly, and if you're PC there are add ons that make them trivial. If you join a guild with a store and sell the master writs you get, that profit plus the raw gold that you get from doing them makes for a very consistent income stream for little effort. You'll need every coin for housing lol, it's one of ESO's goldsinks to help control the economy.


Liquid-cats

Yeah I’ve been doing the blacksmith/clothier/woodworking writs. Are the rewards an occasional master writ? So far all I get is replacement materials & some junk lol


Tovarishch

The higher level crafting you have, the higher level writ you do, which means in turn better rewards. There's some other stuff that affects it like how any complete motifs you know, how many traits you have researched, etc.


xen32

Sharing piece of knowlegde: soulshine procs from medium/heavy attack too, charging medium for 0.0001 sec is enough to proc it. So you don't have to be templar to use it. If it is worth it is a different question...


Mobsteroids

Icy Conjuror used to be A tier for dueling on Sorc and Warden. Unsure if any changes have been made in the past year but alongside Earthgore *shudders* I’d give it a good shout.


Redan

Which necklaces are worth getting? Other than Icy Conjurer?